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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Matt Miller. You listen to me every day,

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Speaker 1: I hope on the Tape podcast with Paul Sweeney. I've

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Speaker 1: got a new podcast though, that I'm running alongside the

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Speaker 1: Tape with my friend Hannah Elliott. She's the car reviewer

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Speaker 1: from Bloomberg Pursuits. We call it Hot Pursuit, and we

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Speaker 1: tell you everything you need to know or want to

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Speaker 1: know about new cars, about the automotive industry, about car events.

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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Miller, I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 1: All right. Today on the show, we have a lot

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Speaker 1: of really cool stuff to talk about. Hannah put out

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Speaker 1: a story about the most valuable cars that have sold

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Speaker 1: at auction, which I'm excited about because there are a

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Speaker 1: couple of really cool modern vehicles and one I have

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Speaker 1: driven one I would love to. We are also going

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Speaker 1: to talk about Pegani Horatio Pegani, because we had a

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Speaker 1: Pagani interview I guess he was in Asia in Hong Kong,

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Speaker 1: and he is releasing his third supercar, third generation of

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Speaker 1: the Pagani supercar. Portia also is releasing a car both

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Speaker 1: of those in Asia. Hannah's gonna tell us why, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna dive deep into the cyber truck. I've been

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Speaker 1: pumped about this thing for four years, and ever since

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Speaker 1: the very first time we saw it, haters have been

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Speaker 1: hating so hard. Elon makes it so easy, but I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping that he hits it out of the park. Hannah,

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Speaker 1: let's talk first about the story that you put out. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Ferrari's are the most expensive cars that have sold on auction.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about that in this podcast, and you've

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Speaker 1: been writing about it for years. That's no big deal.

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Speaker 1: But there were a couple other really interesting sales. Tell

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Speaker 1: us about a couple of them.

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Speaker 2: It's always going to be Ferrari dominating. I think of

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Speaker 2: these top ten seven were Ferrari. This is as market

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Speaker 2: proof as you can get blue chip cars. Of course,

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Speaker 2: of course, aside from that, a couple other of the

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Speaker 2: brands that came up in the top ten list are recognizable.

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Speaker 2: We've got that Mercedes Formula one race car that Lewis

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Speaker 2: Hamilton is fin awesome, I know, and I think that

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Speaker 2: really actually means that these Formula one racers that have

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Speaker 2: We had a couple Shoemaker cars that sold pretty well

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Speaker 2: last year. Now Hamilton this car, it was really interesting.

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Speaker 2: They sold it in a theater in Las Vegas at

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Speaker 2: the Winn Hotel and it went for almost twenty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: It was like eighteen point eight million. That's the start

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was thinking about this, I have no

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Speaker 3: There really are, and there are even race series.

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Speaker 2: Where guys will buy the old, older Formula cars and

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Speaker 2: then raceom. What made this particular car really special though,

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Speaker 2: So basically this was the only one that was offered

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, twenty million bucks almost that's a little

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Speaker 2: you mentioned before was this Bugatti that is also kind

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the car, which I incorrect for as

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Speaker 1: chyrone and I have been. By the way, I even

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Speaker 1: the former CEO of Bugatti and you can say it correctly.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would say Charon, yes or Sharon, depending on

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Speaker 3: But honestly, I don't ever correct.

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Speaker 1: it's cool. I have had the honor of the privilege

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Speaker 2: I've driven a Sharona and I've driven a Veyron, and

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Speaker 2: I'm the same. I don't necessarily like two tone cars

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Speaker 2: You know, we're very lucky. We get to drive a

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Speaker 3: The sound to me is like a jet bye. I

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Speaker 2: Bougotti has said they're gonna well, actually I don't know

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Speaker 2: if they've said this officially, but they will be bringing

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Speaker 2: It's been reported by us people familiar, yes, people familiar

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Speaker 1: Dollar for these, So let's talk about that. By the

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Speaker 1: eight of them were classic cars, you know, old. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what that means twenty five years or I

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Speaker 1: because they just don't make very money and they're going

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Speaker 1: to go to, as you said, a hybrid powertrain.

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Speaker 2: When they announced this car, they said they were going

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like a special edition. It's the final.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I just know that to see that

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Speaker 2: I mean, bottom line, things are worth what people pay

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Speaker 1: And I would must rather have a car, a Bugatti

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Speaker 2: They say, these cars are being bought as if they

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Speaker 1: You had a guy, by the way who's bought multiple

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Speaker 3: Dude, Craig Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the guy who runs Barrett Jackson auctions,

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Speaker 2: Jackson's known for muscle cars, American cars, Americana. You know,

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Speaker 2: why are you buying these really high end French sports cars.

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Speaker 2: And he said, hey, I know a good deal when

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Speaker 2: I see it. This is the end of the line.

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Speaker 2: He loves driving and he does drive him, which is

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Speaker 2: a couple Bougatties and he said he's always looking for

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Speaker 1: That's that's just crazy. He's smart. By the way, what

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Speaker 1: You said hybrid, so it's not just electric? And rolls Royce.

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Speaker 1: less than three hundred mile range on the Specter over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of days, which is their all electric

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Speaker 1: car that's coming. That's lame, and it would be so

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Speaker 1: much cooler if it were a hybrid, especially if with

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Speaker 1: the rules, if it were the six and a half

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Speaker 1: know about the Kirnes powertrain the hybrid.

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Speaker 2: What I've been told from sources close to the matter

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Speaker 1: Horatio Pegani and I have. I don't know too much

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have over one hundred EV makers in China business.

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Speaker 1: The cool part about it is, whenever I'm in any

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine. You know, I have never driven a PEGANI.

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Speaker 3: A Remac Remac would love you, Matt.

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Speaker 2: I'm very surprised you and Matte would be bros.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about something that's gonna be I

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm hoping that's all been a ruse wow, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, why put your best foot forward with

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll save it. We'll save the good stuff.

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Speaker 2: So we'll just get rid of the bad stuff first

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Speaker 1: Like for everyone else he likes to make a bad impression.

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Speaker 2: on regular cars, my confidence that they're going to all

436
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Speaker 2: of a sudden be wonderful on this one, which is

437
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Speaker 2: even more challenging to manufacture, is low.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one cool thing is Delorian still look awesome

439
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: and the you know, the finish looks new when you

440
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Speaker 1: see them, and I don't know how old Delorian they

441
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 1: must be as almost as old as me, so very old.

442
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Speaker 1: I love the stainless deal. Look. Apparently they've had trouble

443
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Speaker 1: because of the glare, like it gives us so much

444
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Speaker 1: glare that it's problematic. And so the designer he wrapped

445
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: one in Matt Black, I think he did a horrible

446
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Speaker 1: job of the rap. He left bubbles and tears in it,

447
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: and then he drove it to a big event. So

448
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 1: everybody was like, even the rap sucks. But I'm hoping

449
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be cool because it's just a different take

450
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Speaker 1: on number one on cars, Like, you haven't seen that

451
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Speaker 1: kind of design. It is very like Delorian Countosh, this

452
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of brutalist you know, no curves, straight lines. I

453
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Speaker 1: like that, and it's it's different from other Tesla's. Like

454
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Speaker 1: my problem with Tesla. The Model AS if you look

455
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Speaker 1: at it for a while, can be a beautiful vehicle,

456
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Speaker 1: but then the rest of them all look kind of

457
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: the same, like just different versions of the Model S

458
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Speaker 1: and then it makes all of them suck in a way.

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Speaker 3: Let me get this straight, just so I'm clear.

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Speaker 2: So you think the Model S is potentially beautiful, but

461
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Speaker 2: you do not like the curvature on like a Mercedes

462
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Speaker 2: S class.

463
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Speaker 1: You're saying, actually, I don't like the curvy Mercedes design language.

464
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Speaker 1: That's not I mean on.

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Speaker 3: The kind of look like lozenges.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Butla. Look, I think the model ass because

467
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Speaker 1: it's stretched out more and it's got a longer nose,

468
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Speaker 1: it's sleek. It looks a little bit like it's got

469
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Speaker 1: that Jaguar Aston Martin kind of design line.

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Speaker 2: No way, you're comparing a Tesla to an Aston Martin.

471
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Speaker 1: No way. No, And in a way it looks kind of.

472
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Speaker 3: I think the sleep deprivation is getting to You.

473
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Speaker 1: Could be just a kid and I on Saturday, and

474
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Speaker 1: I haven't slept for more than three hours. Anyway. My

475
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Speaker 1: point is they all look alike, and that makes me

476
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Speaker 1: not even like the one that could look the best.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's cool that they're making something that

478
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Speaker 1: looks totally different. You know, this doesn't look like any

479
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Speaker 1: other Tesla's or any other cars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I do think that Delorean's a good comparison,

481
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: But also look at what happened with DeLorean the company

482
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: and DeLorean the man. They also were swindlers, and I

483
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: hate the feeling that someone is swindling me and my

484
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: friends out of our hard earned money. And it just

485
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: feels a little like, Wow, you promised this in twenty nineteen,

486
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Speaker 2: you promised it by twenty twenty one. It's now almost

487
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. The examples we've seen look like trash cans.

488
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Speaker 2: I just feel like, how dumb do you think we are?

489
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, fair fair point, fairpoint. Well it'll

490
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Speaker 1: be interesting. I mean the production nightmare is. I think

491
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Speaker 1: he huge part of the story right now. He's got

492
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Speaker 1: a million pre orders or reservations, but those will probably

493
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Speaker 1: cancel a lot of them as they realize it's going

494
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Speaker 1: to be years before they get it.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm going to buy you for Christmas?

496
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Speaker 1: I just had a great cyber truck reservation.

497
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Speaker 2: No, there's a cyber truck can opener for fifty dollars

498
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Speaker 2: on the Tesla website.

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Speaker 1: I saw that, did you, Yeah, and a couple beers

500
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Speaker 1: have cyber beer.

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Speaker 3: The beer stein. I mean for the truck lover in

502
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Speaker 3: your life.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be interesting to see if

504
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Speaker 1: the cyber truck is for the truck lover in your life,

505
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: because what can you really do with it? Apparently it

506
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: has a pretty big bed. You can fit like a

507
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Speaker 1: four x eight sheet apply wood in there if you

508
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Speaker 1: have the tailgate down, and it has a tiny little fronk.

509
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Speaker 1: But you know it can tell eleven thousand pounds. I

510
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Speaker 1: think I've heard, and it's gonna be light. It's going

511
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Speaker 1: to be less than seven thousand pounds, according to an

512
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Speaker 1: insider who leaked the details, like last week, and okay,

513
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Speaker 1: seven thousand pounds is very heavy compared to other cars.

514
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Speaker 1: But like I was saying earlier, compared to a Hummer

515
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Speaker 1: or the Chevy Silverado electric version or a yeah, it's

516
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Speaker 1: it's much lighter.

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Speaker 3: Your voice kind of went up on the end there, like, yo,

518
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Speaker 3: it's much lighter.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's an yeah, maybe maybe, you know, I think

520
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Speaker 1: it's probably not gonna have nearly as much range as those.

521
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Speaker 1: But actually the best thing about Tesla compared to all

522
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Speaker 1: of the competitors is that it has better range. We

523
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Speaker 1: talk about the Audi you know that have horrible range.

524
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Speaker 1: The Rolls Royce is gonna have less than three hundred

525
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: I should say horrible, sorry Audi, but they have low range,

526
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Speaker 1: and these Tesla's have had a lot of range for

527
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Speaker 1: a long time.

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Speaker 2: And I do think that the cyber truck, if I'm

529
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Speaker 2: remembering this right, will be Tesla's first high voltage vehicle,

530
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Speaker 2: which does give the benefit of faster charging. Now Obviously,

531
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Speaker 2: Portia and Hyundai have already done that, but for Tesla,

532
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: it's a big thing. I do think it's a bad

533
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Speaker 2: sign that Ford is walking back targets for their electric truck,

534
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Speaker 2: and when Ford has the best selling truck in the

535
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Speaker 2: country and they're walking back targets for their electric truck. Again, like,

536
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Speaker 2: I don't know if truck a lot of truck owners

537
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: are looking to buy an electric NA truck you know

538
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: better than me.

539
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. It's not like people are

540
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Speaker 1: going to switch over from an F one to fifty.

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Speaker 1: It's hard enough to upsell them on the Lightning. It's

542
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Speaker 1: not like they're gonna buy a Tesla because they want

543
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Speaker 1: something that looks like a truck.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: All right, what do you have coming up? Do you

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Speaker 1: have any uh?

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know what I'm doing next week? What I'm

548
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Speaker 2: going to go drive the nine to eleven st.

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00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: Okay, So the nine to eleven ST.

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Speaker 3: We discussed this.

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Speaker 1: What exactly is it? I mean, is it just like

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Speaker 1: the most perfect nine to eleven and they charge an

553
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Speaker 1: extra hundred grand for it?

554
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Speaker 3: Well? I think so.

555
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Speaker 2: So this is supposed to be like the top end

556
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Speaker 2: of their top end. It's a three hundred thousand dollars

557
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: version of the nine to eleven. It's not the most powerful,

558
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: it's not the fastest, but it's a special car with

559
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Speaker 2: a special livery that sort of harkens back to these

560
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Speaker 2: old eleven s.

561
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Speaker 3: Is a nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: T's that were raced in the sixties, and the ST

563
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: was not a factory car, but you could kind of

564
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Speaker 2: spec your car to be what people would sort of

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Speaker 2: colloquially call an ST. So this particular car is celebrating

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Speaker 2: the sts from the sixties that were really fast and

567
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Speaker 2: that people raced. You know, it has just over five

568
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Speaker 2: hundred horsepower. It's not like the most powerful car.

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Speaker 1: But it is naturally aspirated.

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00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: Exactly great point and it's just sort of a beautiful

571
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Speaker 2: throwback celebration of the heritage. The guys who are really

572
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Speaker 2: into the long lineage of Porsche racing will really like it.

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Speaker 2: It's a limited edition. I think it's limited to under

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Speaker 2: a thousand, so it should be really special. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: forward to driving it.

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Speaker 1: So it's like a nine to eleven R but maybe

577
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Speaker 1: even better because it's going to have the newest technology,

578
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: but they can make you not notice that, which I

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Speaker 1: think is the point of the r and the point

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Speaker 1: of this as well.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen on Instagram you've been really

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Speaker 2: have watching some motorcycle races.

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Speaker 1: Ah yeah, I do want to talk about motorcycles for

584
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Speaker 1: a minute, even though a lot of car people don't care.

585
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: The season of MotoGP ended while my wife and I

586
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Speaker 1: were having a baby in the hospital. I brought my iPad.

587
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: I have MotoGP dot com, so we watched on Saturday

588
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: before her delivery, we watched the sprint race, and then

589
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: on Sunday, after we had the baby, we watched the

590
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Speaker 1: race race and Dukati won again. Peko Banyaya defended his championship.

591
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: It was very cool. But the most exciting thing about

592
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Speaker 1: motor GP is this new season kicked off on Tuesday

593
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Speaker 1: with testing and Mark Marquez, who is one of, if

594
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: not the greatest motorcycle race driver of all time, quit

595
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: Honda where he'd been forever and has twitched to Gerzini Dukati.

596
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: So he got on a Dukati on Tuesday and was

597
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: one of the fastest riders on track. Wow on his

598
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: first day. Wow, it's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 3: What a talent, What a talent?

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Speaker 1: No one cares about that. Also, O katm is putting

601
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Speaker 1: out a new thirteen hundred and fifty cc version of

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00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: the super Duke. It's called the thirteen ninety which annoys

603
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: the hell out of me. Why because it's thirteen hundred

604
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: and fifty ccs, why is it called a thirteen ninety eight.

605
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: Ducatti does this too. It annoys me that when the

606
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: nomenclature should fit with the motor, and in the past,

607
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: right with Ferraris and with BMW's, you could always tell

608
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: what the motor was by the nomenclature, and they've all

609
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Speaker 1: broken away from that.

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Speaker 2: It would be nice if they would help us remember

611
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: what we're talking about.

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00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: Just make it easy on us.

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00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: If you know to your point it's exactly right, Just

614
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: say what the engine is and the name or whatever

615
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: so I can remember it easier.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, yeah, I'm excited about those things, but

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00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: really looking forward to your nine to eleven test drive.

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Speaker 1: I'll be watching your Instagram account, Hannah May pictures of

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Speaker 1: the car. What is your Instagram account?

620
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: It's Hannah Elliott XO. That's Hannah with a Elliott with.

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Speaker 1: Two l's, two teas, but only one XO on the end.

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Speaker 3: The only one exo. That's all it takes, all right.

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Speaker 1: Mine is Matt Miller in nineteen seventy three, across every

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Speaker 1: kind of social media platform, but I barely pay attention

625
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: because I'm a dad and I'm usually changing diapers or

626
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: just hanging out in the garage trying to escape from

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Speaker 1: my fatherly duties. We can be heard on Apple, on Spotify,

628
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Speaker 1: or any place you download your podcast. Every Saturday morning

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Speaker 1: we drop a new edition of Hot Pursuit, so tune

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Speaker 1: in next time.

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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Miller, and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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