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Speaker 4: I remember twenty sixteen coming out, I say, no way

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Speaker 1: Boom, have no fear.

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Speaker 2: The Iron Rappaport Stereo Podcast is here, Bigoty Boom have

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Speaker 2: no fear. The egity I Am a Rapaport Stereo podcast

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Speaker 2: is here. Today's Iron Rappaport Stereo Podcast. I gotma man

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Speaker 2: Eli Lake Yo Eli Eli Lake, long time contributor to

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Speaker 2: the Iron Rappaport Stereo podcast.

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Speaker 2: We're talking Jews, We're talking Jews that hate choose, We're

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Speaker 2: Am Rapperport Stereo podcast. Miles Jordan Ak The Bleach Brothers

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Speaker 2: Iggy aka the Dust Brothers. Started popping over some real

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Speaker 2: start this museum quality, very informative, very very aggressive, fully

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Speaker 2: disruptive Iron rap Port Stereo Podcast off with something real. Fuck,

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Speaker 2: it's the Iron rap Port Stereo Podcast Liberty, Let's fucking

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Speaker 2: go Boom boom. Have no fear of the Iron rapp

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Speaker 1: Name is Michael Rapperport.

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Speaker 2: Disruptive Warrior. Welcome to the Iron Dome of Disruption. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Ziggity Zone of Disruption. And without further further ado,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It has been too long since I've had

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Speaker 4: And I think it also shows that, Hey, the Jewish

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Speaker 2: For me, when it becomes eradicate Israel, when it becomes

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Speaker 4: Tome you've seen that I did in the first days

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Speaker 4: And listen, are there going to be innocent civilians, children

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Speaker 4: The problem that Israel faces is that they're fighting an

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Speaker 2: Two of the words that come up a lot, that

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Speaker 2: would like you to clarify is occupation, occupation, Israel occupies

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Speaker 2: Let's start with occupation. Where does this come from? What's valid,

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Speaker 4: Well, so sometimes people say occupation and they mean all

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Speaker 4: to dismiss. There has been a Jewish claim to this

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Speaker 4: land since you know, Abraham and Moses. I mean you

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Speaker 4: can't I mean leaving the Bible aside. There's been archaeological

435
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Speaker 4: evidence that Jews have lived in this land since eleventh

436
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Speaker 4: century BC. Now that said, it really starts with nineteen

437
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Speaker 4: sixty seven. That's the Sixth Day War when pretty much

438
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 4: every Arab army attacks Israel, led by Syrian Egypt. And well,

439
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 4: I should say Israel strikes first, but it's a there's

440
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Speaker 4: it's pretty clear there's going to be an invasion, and

441
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Speaker 4: they cut off the Suez Canal, which is an active war.

442
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Speaker 4: We can get into that later, but the point is

443
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Speaker 4: is that Israel wins a decisive victory, and in the

444
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Speaker 4: victory they claim the Sinai, they claim Golan Heights, but

445
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Speaker 4: most importantly they claim what you would call Judaea and

446
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Speaker 4: Samaria or sometimes the West Bank and they reunified Jerusalem.

447
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 4: Now they win this in a war, and if you

448
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Speaker 4: wanted to say that they kept it, you have to

449
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Speaker 4: look at a couple other facts. First of all, the

450
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Speaker 4: first response after winning the war was can we negotiate

451
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Speaker 4: with the Arab League to come up with a peace

452
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Speaker 4: deal in exchange for the territory? And the response was

453
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Speaker 4: the famous three No's of what's known as the Khartoum Conference.

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Speaker 4: And so at that point the settlement projects begin. In

455
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Speaker 4: the word West Bank. This is controversial and to this

456
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 4: day you will find many opinions on it. And that

457
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Speaker 4: was started under the governments after sixty seven. It's expanded

458
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Speaker 4: the settlement project in nineteen seventy seven after the right

459
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Speaker 4: wing coalition known as Leekud wins. And then at that

460
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,239
Speaker 4: point you have to ask yourself, all right, is the

461
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Speaker 4: idea that eventually this land that was won in a

462
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Speaker 4: war that was started in many ways by the Arabs,

463
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Speaker 4: is it meant that it returns to Jordan as the

464
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Speaker 4: Sinai was returned to Egypt. Well, in this period, you know,

465
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Speaker 4: in this long scope of sweep of history, should say,

466
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Speaker 4: and starting in the nineteen nineties, there's this idea that

467
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Speaker 4: eventually there should be an independent Palestinian state. And now

468
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Speaker 4: you have to get into some interesting points, which is

469
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Speaker 4: one the Israelis have allowed for there to be something

470
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Speaker 4: of a kind of provisional governing authority known as the

471
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Speaker 4: Palestinian Authority in this region, and the Palestinian Authority, at

472
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Speaker 4: least in the West Bank cooperates with the israel Defense

473
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Speaker 4: Forces against terrorist elements there. Now technically, you know, legal

474
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 4: scholars can differ, but that's still technically kind of an occupation.

475
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Speaker 3: But it's not like the brutal.

476
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Speaker 4: Occupation that we would associate with a war of conquest

477
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 4: or something like that. As for Gaza, the Israelis left Gaza,

478
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Speaker 4: took out its soldiers, and it's a few settlers and

479
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 4: settlement communities in Gaza. In two thousand and five, then

480
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 4: there were Palestinian elections for the legislature. Hamas wins narrowly.

481
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Speaker 4: There is a dispute within the Palestinian polity. The Palestinian

482
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Speaker 4: Group FATA, which is sort of the major ruling party

483
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Speaker 4: of the Palestinian Authority, they don't want to seat the

484
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Speaker 4: Hamas legislators. So Hamas then stages a kind of military

485
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Speaker 4: coup in Gaza, kicking out the Palestinian authority, the forces

486
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Speaker 4: loyal to FATA, not just kicking them out, brutally killing

487
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Speaker 4: them in a lot of cases, and they take over Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Now Hamas has never recognized Israel's right to exist. It's

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Speaker 4: responsible for the waves of suicide bombs and other kinds

490
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Speaker 4: of terrorist attacks. And as a result of that coup,

491
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Speaker 4: Israel begins basically applying what say sometimes it's called a blockade.

492
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Speaker 4: It's not a blockade because they allow lots of stuff in,

493
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Speaker 4: but they want to make sure that this group is

494
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Speaker 4: not importing weapons. So it's border controls. And there's another

495
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Speaker 4: border which no one ever talks about, by the way,

496
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Speaker 4: and it's Egypt, and Egypt also largely keeps their border

497
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Speaker 4: shut because Tomas is a terrorist group. Now, that has

498
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Speaker 4: been the situation, I would argue because people say, well,

499
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Speaker 4: if you control the borders and the fishing areas and

500
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Speaker 4: everything around that, that is the equivalent of an occupation.

501
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Speaker 4: But I would say, well, okay, border controls, you don't

502
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Speaker 4: think they're necessary after seeing what they did on October seventh,

503
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Speaker 4: let alone the many rocket wars that they launch. So

504
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Speaker 4: how does Israel make sure that this terrorist group which

505
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Speaker 4: took over in Gaza is not allowed to import everything

506
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Speaker 4: from the hang glider they used, the bulletproof vest, the

507
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: submachine guns, and the Katusha rockets and the grenades and

508
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 4: all the things they used to kill Jews on October seventh,

509
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Speaker 4: let alone the rocket war that they launched every few

510
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Speaker 4: years in the period leading up to October seventh. And

511
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Speaker 4: they never have an answer to that. So's this kind

512
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Speaker 4: of a practical question. So the idea that you could

513
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Speaker 4: just have Israel and the occupation and then not address

514
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Speaker 4: this issue of what has been a kind of persistent

515
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: war at least among factions of the Palestinians against Jewish citizens,

516
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 4: it's unrealistic. And again it's only telling like one side

517
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Speaker 4: of the story. What I try to do here, You

518
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: know my perspective, I'm pro Israel, but I try to

519
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 4: give it from both sides. I mean, there's an argument that,

520
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: you know, there should have never been any settlements in

521
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Speaker 4: this area and they should have been prepared to eventually

522
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Speaker 4: return it or whatever. But on the other hand, there's

523
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Speaker 4: been a security problem from the West Bank and from

524
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Speaker 4: the Gaza area since almost you know, from the beginning

525
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Speaker 4: of the Six Day War and what do you expect

526
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Speaker 4: the Israelis to do about it? So when people criticize

527
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Speaker 4: this idea that after they left they still kept these

528
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Speaker 4: border controls on, I'm like, well, what are you gonna

529
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Speaker 4: do when a terrorist groups takes over that territory.

530
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Speaker 2: What do most people say when you bring up the

531
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Speaker 2: border control or the security it's border control, security control. Well,

532
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Speaker 2: what is the argument of the quote unquote pro Palestinian

533
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Speaker 2: people regarding that?

534
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Speaker 3: You can't really have an argument.

535
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Speaker 4: I mean, they get back to this talking point about,

536
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Speaker 4: you know, the UN recognizes the right of indigenous peoples

537
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Speaker 4: to resist or stuff like that, and to which I say,

538
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Speaker 4: there's different kinds of resistance. You know, when you're talking

539
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Speaker 4: about the struggle to form Israel. In the nineteen forties

540
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Speaker 4: and before then, there were what you would consider maybe

541
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Speaker 4: to be acts of terrorism, certainly political assassinations on the

542
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Speaker 4: part of some of the Jewish groups like the Ragon

543
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Speaker 4: or the Stern Gang. There was a famous bombing of

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Speaker 4: the King David Hotel, which was also the British military headquarters.

545
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Speaker 4: But there were efforts that were done, even though it

546
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: didn't work in that case, to try to warn civilians

547
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Speaker 4: to get out of here. There was a phone call

548
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Speaker 4: that said we're about to place a bomb at the

549
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Speaker 4: King David Hotel.

550
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Speaker 3: You should leave. That warning was ignored.

551
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Speaker 4: There were big signs that were placed near the explosives

552
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Speaker 4: in Hebrew, English, and Arabic. Those are efforts that were

553
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Speaker 4: taken by let's call it Jewish resistors that are totally

554
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Speaker 4: different than an organization that seeks to maximize as many

555
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 4: civilian casualties as it can. So if you kind of

556
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: want to say, well you have a right to resistance,

557
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 4: do you have a right to rape and kidnap babies

558
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: and burn families alive? I mean, that's what we're talking about.

559
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 4: Sadistic acts that really are just a way of sort

560
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Speaker 4: of expressing your hatred of another people. And there, even

561
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Speaker 4: though I wouldn't say it's not a genocide, it is

562
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Speaker 4: a genocidal act. You just want to wipe out the Jews, whereas.

563
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Speaker 2: Case it's not a genocide because Israel, you know, can

564
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Speaker 2: defend it better late than never. Yeah, I mean yeah,

565
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Speaker 2: but I mean they would have they would have been

566
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Speaker 2: still killing to this day, if you only are in January,

567
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: they would have been fucking ki if they if they

568
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: had it, their way, they would have since October seventh

569
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: to January. Here we are January twenty something, they would

570
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: have still been fucking going.

571
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Speaker 1: That's a fuck.

572
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Speaker 2: They came in there. They didn't come in there to

573
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Speaker 2: fucking you know, shake hands. They didn't come in there

574
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Speaker 2: to hold hands, and they didn't come in here to

575
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Speaker 2: take land back.

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Speaker 1: They came in there to kill, exactly.

577
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Speaker 4: And so if you want to call that resistance, I

578
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 4: think what you're doing is you're playing a word game.

579
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 4: It's similar like when you say what Israel is doing

580
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 4: is genocide, you're playing a word game. You're redefining something

581
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 4: in order to sort of make a an incendiary political point,

582
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: and it doesn't wash. But unfortunately, lots of people really

583
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: believe this stuff. And the other thing that I would

584
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: just point out, especially when it comes to Goza, but

585
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 4: it also applies to the Palace Sinning authority. The local

586
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: Palestinian governments have been quite cruel to their own citizens.

587
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Speaker 4: When you are suspected of being a collaborator with Israel,

588
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 4: whether you are or you're not, the punishment is death

589
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 4: and torture for you. And there is no there's no

590
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Speaker 4: like independent judiciary in Gaza. It's like all these crazy,

591
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: fanatical Islamic jurists who say, you know, thumbs up or

592
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 4: thumbs down. And there are videos you can find them

593
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Speaker 4: on YouTube of individuals who are dragged through the streets

594
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Speaker 4: of Gaza City on the backs of motorcycles. That is

595
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Speaker 4: a cruelty that I never hear from the Finkelsteins and

596
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 4: the Blumenthals of this world. We never hear them criticize Hamas.

597
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: If they care so much about Palestinians, why do you

598
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Speaker 4: think Palestinians would want to live under somebody like that.

599
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 4: I mean, like to give you a sense of how

600
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Speaker 4: depraved Hamas is, they have in the past issued orders

601
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 4: against having like both gendered hair salons, so they would

602
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 4: shut down a barbershop if it ever cut a woman's hair.

603
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 4: That's how crazy they are. And then you have a

604
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Speaker 4: You've talked about this on your show.

605
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Speaker 3: It's brilliant.

606
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: I love this. But yeah, you have like queers for Palestine.

607
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 4: You know how long you last as a queer in Palestine?

608
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: Give me a break.

609
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 4: So there's something about that's like, if you're gonna get

610
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Speaker 4: into this and you're gonna only pick and choose certain

611
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 4: rights that you want to talk about when it comes

612
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 4: to Palestinians and ignore the abolition of those rights from

613
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Speaker 4: these so called Palestinian leaders.

614
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Speaker 3: Then I have to.

615
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: Ask you, well, do you really care about Palestinians. You

616
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: just want to demonize the Jews.

617
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Speaker 2: I think they just want to demonize the Jews. You

618
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Speaker 2: know one thing you mentioned just now about the g word,

619
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Speaker 2: and you texted this to me. You said, the genocide

620
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: label is not just a lie, it's an incitement. It

621
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Speaker 2: is the genocide label is not just a lie, it's

622
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Speaker 2: an incitement.

623
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Speaker 1: And I think that that clearly and concisely.

624
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Speaker 2: For me, again, speak on behalf of anybody, I speak

625
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: on behalf of myself, except for I speak on behalf

626
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Speaker 2: of all Jews as a Jew. So only if I say,

627
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: as a Jew, I'm speaking on behalf of the millions

628
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: of Jews in the world, unless I don't say that,

629
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: I'm only speaking on behalf of myself. But again, you

630
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: know that genocide word and saying it, you know it

631
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Speaker 2: is an incitement, break that down because I think it's

632
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: so clearly, uh smart and concise what it is about that,

633
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: Because you know the Ministry of Gaza, which is a

634
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: mob basically the Ministry of Gaza. They if you work

635
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: for Amas, you're either complicit and you're down with their

636
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: belief system or you're scared to death.

637
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Speaker 1: Either way. At this point, it's not my fucking problem.

638
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 4: That's like my sources, John Gotti and Sammy the bulg

639
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: Gravano telling me the f guy's committing a genocide against.

640
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Speaker 1: Them, big pussy.

641
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: Sammy the Bull Gravano and Johnny Salami are giving these stats.

642
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Speaker 2: And you know what's interesting in the stats, they say

643
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Speaker 2: that twenty five thousand uh citizens of Gaza have been killed.

644
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: Two thirds are women and children.

645
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 4: First of all, they don't break down combatants and non combatants.

646
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: Everyone's a civilian, according to the Gaza Ministry of Everyone's

647
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 4: a civilian.

648
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: No, no, None of these twenty five thousand people are

649
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Speaker 2: the ones that were cheering in the street. None of

650
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: these twenty five thousand people are Hamas.

651
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 4: But the other thing I would say, though, is that

652
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 4: we should probably expect that the numbers are pretty high

653
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 4: of civilians because we also know that Hamas fires rockets

654
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: from the parking lots of hospitals. We also know that

655
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 4: they place weapon stocks in mosques and under schools, and

656
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 4: they have almost you could argue rigged all of Gaza

657
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: in such a way that it forces this terrible choice

658
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 4: on the IDF that if they are trying to dismantle

659
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,479
Speaker 4: Hamas's military machine, which they absolutely have to do, they're

660
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 4: gonna have to in some ways take on these civilian targets.

661
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 4: And the hope is is that they're gonna get useful

662
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 4: idiots in the web to ignore the fact that hamasa's

663
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 4: strategy is to basically set up their military infrastructure under

664
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: and around and inside the civilian infrastructure. So that's the

665
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 4: first thing. So, yes, there probably are very high casualties,

666
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: and that's a terrible thing. I don't I agree with you.

667
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: Don't trust the gods of Ministry of Health for that.

668
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 4: But eventually there probably will be more accurate numbers. And

669
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: it's a terrible thing. But this is why, and so.

670
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: Is so is what happened on October seventh. I feel

671
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: like it's Jews. As Jews, we always have to breakface

672
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: everything by we're going, it's a terrible thing that happened

673
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: in Gaza. But no one does that regarding us, no

674
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: one does regarding Israel. But we have to do it

675
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: because we have to show that we care that we're

676
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: loving that they and if we don't do it, you're

677
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: racist and you're a genocidal you know, a lunatic.

678
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 4: Sorry, but the point is that, like you're talking about

679
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 4: war crimes, it's a war crime to fire from these

680
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: civilian areas. It's a war crime. To put your weapons

681
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 4: stocks in tunnels underneath hospitals, that is a war crime.

682
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: It's a wartime to kidnap civilians.

683
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Period.

684
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 4: So that's the first thing. But kind of getting to

685
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: this other point that you made about incitement, and I

686
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 4: think it's really important here. It's not just that saying

687
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 4: Israel is committing a genocide hurts my feelings as a

688
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: Jew who loves Israel.

689
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: It's that if you really believe.

690
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 4: That Israel is committing genocide, then what would you not

691
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 4: do against Israel or Jews or representatives of Israel. So

692
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 4: if you want to understand why that lunatic woman, I

693
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 4: think it was like in the first weeks after October seventh,

694
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 4: tried to drive into what she thought was a Jewish school,

695
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: end up being the black Israelites, which are not Jews.

696
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: But anyway, why did she do that? Because she was

697
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 4: brainwashed by this propaganda that is ultimately aimed at allowing

698
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 4: you to believe that I can do anything I want

699
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: to in Israeli or a Jew, because Israel is doing

700
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 4: all these terrible things. So it's not just a matter

701
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: of oh, man, I don't want to be called a Nazi.

702
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 4: It's like, if you say that lie enough, then it

703
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 4: makes it okay to do any number of things you

704
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: wouldn't do if you knew the facts of the situation.

705
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: I totally agree.

706
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: And it's so fucking dangerous and it's so irresponsible. And

707
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: again that is why I sort of perk up and

708
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: why I get scared. You know, people are fucking scared

709
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: because it's like you're saying, if motherfuckers are going around

710
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: saying all fans of the New York Knicks are genocidal,

711
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: they're genocidal, they're genocidal, the fans of the New York

712
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: City Nicks are genocidal. It puts the fans of the

713
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: New York Knicks at risk when they're in you know,

714
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: non Nicks territory.

715
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 4: And then there are people who will who say that

716
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 4: and they're evil. And then there are people we have

717
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 4: a mental health crisis in this country, as you know,

718
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: I mean, you just I was just in New York.

719
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 4: I mean, you go on the subway, you're liable to

720
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: find somebody that's off and might be liable to do

721
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 4: something terrible, as we've seen. So when you do that,

722
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: you find that like people who are mentally imbalanced kind

723
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 4: of cling to that and they feel that in their

724
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 4: own like fantasy world, that they're doing something heroic when

725
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: they do something absolutely destructive and murderous, potentially against Jews.

726
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 4: And that is a classic thing. It's why I take

727
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 4: it back to the Middle Ages and these other as

728
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: a Jews from before. When you put out a libel

729
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 4: like that, it incites pegrums, people like nobody should have

730
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 4: ever believed. I mean to get I'm gonna go to

731
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 4: a little deep here. In fourteen seventy five, there was

732
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: a terrible lie that Jews kidnapped a boy named the

733
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 4: known Assignment of Trent for his blood for their sacred rituals,

734
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: and the result was that everybody in the Jew in

735
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 4: the nearby community was basically like, I don't know. They

736
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: were hunted down and they were killed. Now we have

737
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 4: a state now of Israel. The situation for Jews in

738
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 4: this country is very much better than it ever was

739
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: in like you know, the sixteenth century, the seventeenth century

740
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 4: in Europe. But the point is is that this kind

741
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: of thing, where these like defamations against Jews or the

742
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 4: state of Israel, they have real world effects and they

743
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 4: have had that real world effect for centuries. So we

744
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 4: got to be very aware of that that it's not

745
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 4: just a matter of like I don't like your language.

746
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: This is over the top.

747
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 4: It's you keep repeating this lie. You're putting Jews and

748
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: Israeli's at risk.

749
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: I agree. Podcasts Moving on to apartheid. Sure, Israel is

750
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: in apartheid state. Again, I am no expert on Israel. Well,

751
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: one thing I did see when I was in Israel

752
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: is that all these signs, the signs on the freeway,

753
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: all the signs, you know, whether it's like you know,

754
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: coffee stands or whatever, but mostly on the freeway I reference.

755
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: They're in English, they're in Arabic, and they are in Hebrew.

756
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: That does not feel like an apartheid state to me.

757
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: I ain't no expert, but that doesn't feel like an

758
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: apartheid state. The myth that Israel is an apartheid state,

759
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: what is an apartheid state?

760
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 4: Break it down to you that lake all right, apartheid state,

761
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: and it comes from the South Africa model where you

762
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: had in that case the majority of black South Africans

763
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: who were relegated to a second class citizenship and were

764
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: also denied political rights because they were exploited in many

765
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: ways to work in the various minds of South Africa.

766
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 4: So that's usually what we mean by apartheid. Now in

767
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 4: the case of Israel, when Israel started after nineteen forty eight,

768
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: Arabs were we should say second class citizens. I forget

769
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 4: exactly the year was, some time in the nineteen sixties.

770
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 4: They were given more rights. People like Monocam Bagan would

771
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: campaign in the opposition. Eventually nine in seventy seven, and

772
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 4: today you find Palestinian Arabs who are doctors, they serve

773
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: on the Supreme Court, they have political parties. Before the

774
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 4: current government or I should say this is the Unity government,

775
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 4: before the net Yahoo government, from before the Arabs were

776
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 4: part of the ruling coalition for the first time in

777
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 4: Israeli history, was actually a huge, huge thing. That is

778
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 4: not the definition of apartheid. Now when people say apartheid

779
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 4: in this particular case, what they mean to say is

780
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 4: the Palestinians who live in the West Bank cannot vote

781
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 4: in Israeli national elections, but they do vote for a

782
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 4: Palestinian authority. And part of that is because, at least

783
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: for a long time and still sort of now, there

784
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 4: was an understanding that at some point there would be

785
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 4: a two state solution. Now, when people want to say,

786
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: how do we remedy this situation, why don't we just

787
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 4: give those Palestinians the right to vote? And the problem

788
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 4: there is that if Palestinians, even if they didn't have

789
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 4: a full majority, but if they voted for parties that

790
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 4: sound like, you know, the Palestine Authority or Harmasque God

791
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 4: forbid today, then you would be voting for a party

792
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 4: that basically would want to destroy anything in the Jewish

793
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 4: It would no longer be a Jewish state, it would

794
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: no longer be a safe haven for Jews. So a

795
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 4: one state solution is a kind of clever way of

796
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 4: saying you don't want Israel to be a Jewish state.

797
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 4: And so in that respect, it's not really appical. You

798
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: can't say it's like an apartheid state because there is

799
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 4: no legal regime that exists that specifically says anybody who

800
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 4: is not a Jew or anybody who is an Arab

801
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 4: living in Israel cannot enjoy political rights or can't do

802
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 4: all these other things. There are very wealthy Arabs who

803
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 4: live in Israel. They're very wealthy Arabs frankly, who live

804
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 4: on the West Bank. It's not the same thing. There

805
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: was never the kind of exploitative economic relationship between the

806
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 4: Jews of Israel and the Palestinian Arabs in that area.

807
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 4: In fact, one of the I mean, it's kind of

808
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: funny because we are diaspora Jews, Michael, but you know,

809
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 4: the original idea for many of the Zionists was that

810
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 4: we were going to take Jews from like you know

811
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 4: how and the pale of settlement and Warsaw. They're going

812
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 4: to come to Israel and they're going to all become farmers,

813
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 4: which is nuts if you think about it.

814
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 3: Are people, you know what I.

815
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 4: Mean, We're like lawyers and doctors and accountants and stuff,

816
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: and we're going to go and work the fields.

817
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 3: But that was the idea, and a lot of them did.

818
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: So it's like the whole.

819
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 4: Thing, in my view is like it's just another kind

820
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: of slur. It's a clever debater's tactic. In a way,

821
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 4: but it's not it doesn't really apply, but it is

822
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 4: a way of trying to sort of very quickly again

823
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 4: avoid making the argument or dealing with the facts, and

824
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: just sort of say, and that's why we have to

825
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 4: boycott Israel. It's the new South Africa. But they've moved

826
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: on from South Africa. Now it's the new Nazi Germany.

827
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: So you know, congratulations morons.

828
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, I love that the Jews

829
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: are now the new Nazis.

830
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 4: Well, it's just it's disgusting and fucking insulting to anybody

831
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 4: who has a memory or even if you have the

832
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 4: slightest paper thin knowledge of what the Holocaust was, but

833
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 4: you hear it now all the time because in some

834
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 4: ways it doesn't matter if it coheres with the fact.

835
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 4: These people are not interested in engaging in debate. Really,

836
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 4: they're interested in defaming Israel. It's if they want to

837
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 4: repeat the lie, repeat the lie, repeat the lie until

838
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 4: enough people think it's true or plausible that you know,

839
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 4: here we are in Israel becomes isolated, Israel becomes you know,

840
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 4: the target.

841
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: You know, I look at these fucking tunnels of Gaza.

842
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: There was just this four minute video that was posted

843
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: the IDF four minutes and it was it was sped up.

844
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: And these these.

845
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: Hundreds of miles of tunnels of Gaza, And I really

846
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 2: imagine if these motherfuckers spend any time doing anything besides

847
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 2: building tunnels, the creativity they have in attacking, the creativity

848
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: they have in propaganda and pr These are obviously not

849
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: dumb people.

850
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: If they did anything.

851
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: Else besides hate Jews and hate Israel, the Gaza Strip

852
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: would be a thriving place. It would be a place

853
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: where it be Fuck Sanchro Pei, Fuck the cons Film Festival.

854
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: We'd have the Gaza International Film Festival. You'd have Ryan

855
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: Gosling down there celebrating with Jennifer Lawrence and Quentin Tarantino

856
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: would be voting up to the beaches of Gaza. But

857
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: they don't want to do that. This is enough with

858
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: the Israel stuff. I want to do a pivot. I

859
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: only have I got a little bit more time. I

860
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: want to do a pivot, big pivot, a big Dick

861
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: Staine pivot. I want to do a big Republican democratic

862
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,479
Speaker 2: twenty jal. Anyway, he talked about pivots, What a great

863
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: pivot foot that was.

864
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 3: Like one of the best moves the Nick's ever made.

865
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Speaker 2: It might be the single greatest move. I mean, drafting

866
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Speaker 2: Patrick Ewing was a no brainer. And getting Bernard King

867
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Speaker 2: in those trades, you didn't think it would be. The

868
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: expectations were low because he was a coked out, you know,

869
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: sort of never lived up to his expectations.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Jalen Brunson, fantastic.

871
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Speaker 4: Bernond Bernard King had like two or three years where

872
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 4: he was the King of New York.

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Speaker 2: No, Bernard, Bernard is my guy, but we didn't know

874
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Speaker 2: that he was going to live up to those expectations.

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Speaker 2: Bernard is my fucking guy. Twenty twenty four, here we

876
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: are almost at the end of January. Gun to your head,

877
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Speaker 2: not who you want? Who will be the President of

878
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Speaker 2: the United States in November twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: It's gone to my head.

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Speaker 4: I think it's I'm still gonna say Joe Biden, even

881
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 4: though by if it was anybody but Trump, because think

882
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 4: Trump's going to get the nomination, he would it would

883
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: be over for him.

884
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Speaker 3: But you know, like my view.

885
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 4: Is that the polls that show Trump consistently beating Biden

886
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 4: in these swing states are not taking into account that

887
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 4: when the chips are down. There are more people in

888
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: this country who are going to be driven to vote

889
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 4: who hate Donald Trump than love him. We saw it

890
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, and I think we'll see it again now.

891
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: It's listen. I was wrong.

892
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Speaker 4: I remember twenty sixteen, coming on this, I say, no

893
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 4: way Trump's gonna win, and I was wrong. So I mean,

894
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 4: you know, take that for what it's worth. But I

895
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Speaker 4: still think that lots of people who think that Trump's

896
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Speaker 4: gonna win. Like, remember there's still all these people who

897
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 4: they're driven by the negative partisanship. They won't do anything

898
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Speaker 4: to stop him, including voting for a guy who is

899
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: not all there mentally. Uh, and is you know, clearly

900
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 4: showing his age in every possible way. So I would say,

901
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 4: you know, gun to my head. At this point, I'd

902
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 4: say Biden, although it's much closer than it probably should be.

903
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: Do you think that Michelle Obama?

904
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: This was like the last few days Michelle Obama running

905
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: for president has been sort of people have been like

906
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: it's happening. I don't know where they get this. Everybody

907
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: acts like they have some kind of you know, intel.

908
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: Do you think that she'll run for president?

909
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 4: It's a little too late in the game at this point.

910
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 4: I mean, there is a precedent for this nineteen sixty

911
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 4: eight when and Lynnon Johnson wins the primary in New Hampshire,

912
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: but Eugene McCarthy puts a real scare in him. Bobby

913
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: Kennedy gets in the race. At that point, Lennon Johnson

914
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 4: shocks the world, announces he's not gonna run, you know,

915
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Speaker 4: for his second full term.

916
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Speaker 3: And so it's possible.

917
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 4: But so far, every signal from the White House is

918
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Speaker 4: that Joe Biden is running for reelection, even though I'm

919
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: not sure. I mean, like, how this guy apparently they

920
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 4: cancel stuff if it's past like six o'clock or something.

921
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 4: How is he gonna Like it's a grind to be

922
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: a candidate for the president, and he is not, Like,

923
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Speaker 4: I don't know if he's physically up to it at

924
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 4: this point. He can't run. Like twenty twenty he lucked out.

925
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 4: He was in the basement because of COVID, you know

926
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 4: what I mean, Well, you didn't have to campaign. He's

927
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 4: gonna have to campaign. And by the way, whatever you

928
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 4: want to say about Donald Trump, that guy still has

929
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 4: like the energy of a maniac.

930
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,479
Speaker 3: So I don't know what to say.

931
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I agree, I agree, but you know,

932
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: I will say this, if Schell Obama signed up to

933
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Speaker 2: be president at the twenty third hour with fifty nine

934
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Speaker 2: seconds left on the clock, if.

935
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 4: She ran, she'd win, yeah, because I still think but

936
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 4: I don't think they're about that life.

937
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: I don't think Sheell Obama and Barack Obama want to

938
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 2: get back in there. I just I feel like they've

939
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: been there, done it. They know what kind of a

940
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: grind it is. I think that they're living in the

941
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 2: lap of luxury, and why would they go back, because

942
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: you know it would be one thing, Okay, we won,

943
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: but then you have to do the job. And I

944
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: just think they both know, obviously from experience, it's like,

945
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: who the fuck wants that job, especially at this point.

946
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 4: Well that's a good point. I mean, listen, if by

947
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 4: some miracle, Nicki Hanley pulls it out, I'm not holding

948
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 4: my breath. I think she would clean up with it,

949
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 4: because this is the way our democraty supposed to work,

950
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 4: is that when you have this kind of I don't know,

951
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 4: malaise in the country after Biden, even if it looks

952
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 4: like the economic numbers are not as bad, as people think.

953
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 4: There's just a sense that like the country wants to

954
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 4: move on, they want to get a change in there.

955
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 4: And when the only alternative is a guy who will

956
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 4: not recognize results of elections that he loses, which is

957
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 4: a threat to our system, it really puts us in

958
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 4: a tough place because I don't think that people want

959
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 4: Joe Biden, but I think that there's a majority of

960
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 4: Americans who just won't go with Trump.

961
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 2: Wow, well it's gonna be interesting, and twenty twenty four

962
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: is here, so uh put your fucking out. Hope you

963
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: already have your seatbolts on. I have said that from

964
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: the beginning. Anyway, Eli, let me let.

965
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 4: You go before we go, I gotta aska one NBA question,

966
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: Will my beloved seventy six ers with Joel Embiid playing

967
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 4: like Wilt Chamberlain right now make it out of the

968
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 4: second round and finally bring some happiness to this long

969
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 4: suffering fan.

970
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: Well, listen, you're Joel Embiid needs to play like Will

971
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: Chamberlain through the playoffs. You're Joe Embiid can't disappear. Yeah,

972
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: you know in game six is Game seven's your Joe

973
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: LMB needs to stay healthy and you know, he can't

974
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: just show up, you know, when he's playing against Jokick.

975
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: Not that he's been ridiculous this year.

976
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: He was incredible last year, but come playoff time, you know,

977
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: his body seems to break down, his energy seems to

978
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: break down.

979
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: You know, I would love to see him keep going forward.

980
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: But three hundred pounds of loving man, that's a big

981
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: that's a big boat.

982
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: He's driving into the seas.

983
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 4: As a student of the game, we've been watching this.

984
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 4: We're around the same age. We've been watching basketball for

985
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 4: a long time. Yeah, have you ever seen a big

986
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 4: man with that bag? I'm just talking about the arsenal

987
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 4: of moves and shots from anywhere. It seems on the floor.

988
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 4: I've never seen it. I mean, like i've seen great centers.

989
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 4: I'm still not you know, like Shaq was unstoppable in

990
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 4: his prime. I mean Hakim, but I've never seen a

991
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 4: guy who and hit it from almost anywhere on the

992
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 4: field and do it euro steps and everything else.

993
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: Is like he's he's sick.

994
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: The one thing I would love, I mean, aside from

995
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 2: the injuries, the one thing I would love from Joel

996
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: is to be mean twenty four to seven. Not that

997
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: you have to be a bastard. I think the thing

998
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: with him is the injuries. I think the thing with

999
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: him is the injuries. I love him. He's a great

1000
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 2: He's so fun to watch. He's a great personality. You

1001
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 2: can't not like him. So, you know, I can't say

1002
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 2: anything bad about Joel Embiid. His bag is sick.

1003
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: He shoots his three.

1004
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: Maybe in the league of everyone, including guards. He's doing

1005
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: Kobe shit, Yeah.

1006
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: He's doing. He's sick. He's fucking seven foot one. I

1007
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: mean I saw him in real life. I couldn't. He's ginormous.

1008
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 3: He's big.

1009
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: You know. No Bruno, He's I fuck with Joel Embiid.

1010
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 2: No Bruno anyway.

1011
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: Eli The re Education of Eli Lake.

1012
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: I think everybody, if you want some some political if

1013
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Speaker 2: you want some history, if you want some politics laid

1014
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: out in a simple way, I can't urge you more

1015
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Speaker 2: to listen to the re Education of Eli Lake, the

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00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: part time, sometime official unofficial world correspondent of the Iron

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Speaker 2: rap Port Stereo Podcast. I appreciate you always, and you know,

1018
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm sending love to you. I'm sending

1019
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: love to to why I'm sending and I'm sending love

1020
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Speaker 2: to the Philadelphia seventy six.

1021
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 3: From Miss sand from a Mixman.

1022
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Speaker 2: I would send you love to the Philadelphia Eagles, but

1023
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 2: I would be fucking lying to you.

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Speaker 1: I'd be lying to your face. I can't stand those fucks.

1025
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: I love it anyway, Eli, I appreciate it, my man.

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Speaker 3: Peace man, peace boom.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank my guest, the official unofficial World

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Speaker 2: News correspondent, Elon Lake, for coming on the Iron Rap

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Speaker 2: Report Stereo podcast.

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Speaker 1: Follow him on.

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Speaker 2: Twitter, listen to his podcast, The re Education of Eli Lake,

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Speaker 2: and come see me in Jersey this Friday night. I'll

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Speaker 2: be performing in Jersey this Friday night, Red Bank, New

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Speaker 2: Jersey at the Vogel Theater.

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Speaker 1: Miles Jordan A K. The Bleach Brothers, Day Kay, the

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Speaker 2: Take me at it with something real loud, Take me

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Speaker 2: at it with something real nice, but most importantly, end

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Speaker 2: this puppy with something real. See I am rap Port

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Speaker 2: Every real podcast. Tell a friend to tell a friend

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Speaker 2: at a mout boom.

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Speaker 1: Yes,