1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us or continuing 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: to discuss the awful fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: last week, and we will continue to do that during 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: the course of the program. But Buck, I thought we 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: could jump in here a bit to another interesting decision 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: that is taking place, which is having driven down crime 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: substantially in Washington, d C. And the numbers are pretty 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: extraordinary when it comes to violent crime. By surging National 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: Guard troops and by bringing to bear more resources to Washington, 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: D C. Trump, a lot of Democrats started saying, well, 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: Trump only is doing this in blue areas, right, And 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: the reality is cities which overwhelmingly have Democrat mayors are 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: where there are huge rates of violent crime. I think 14 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: has responded in an actually very smart way that continues 15 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: to be beneficial to the country. And he has said, look, 16 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: here's what we want to do. We are going to 17 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: go into a red state happens to be my home 18 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: state of Tennessee, and we are going to go into Memphis, 19 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: which has, according to much of the data out there, 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: among the highest rates per capita of violent crime anywhere 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: in the country, and we are going to surge support 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: in the city of Memphis. Senator Blackburn came on with 23 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: us yesterday and talked about this. Senator Haggerty in Tennessee 24 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: or in favor of it, Bill Lee, the governor of Tennessee. 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: They were all in the Oval Office with Trump yesterday 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: and here is Trump saying, cut twenty nine. I am 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: signing a presidential memorandum to help try and make Memphis 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: safer cut twenty nine. 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: Today at the request of Governor Bill Lee of Tennessee 30 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: is standing with us. As you know, I'm signing a 31 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: presidential memoranda to establish the Memphis Safe Task Course. And 32 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: it's very important because of the crime that's going on, 33 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: not only in Memphis in many cities that we're going 34 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: to take care of all of them step by step, 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: just like we did in DC. We have virtually no 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: crime in DC right now, and we're going to keep 37 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: it that way. So Nation's Capital, we're going to keep 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: it that way, or we're going to federalize it if 39 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: we had to, but we don't have to anymore because 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: it's and says great. 41 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: Show, okay, So that's cut when we play this too. 42 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: This is the Governor of Tennessee, Bill Lee saying Thank you. 43 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: It's time to address crime in Memphis. Cut thirty one. 44 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: Thank you for your commitment for federal resources to the 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: great city of Memphis. And it is a great city, 46 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: and it has a great history at a great legacy, 47 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 3: and we are very hopeful and excited about the prospect 48 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: of moving that city forward. I've been in office seven years. 49 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: I'm tired of crime holding the great city of Memphis back. 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 3: And I have spoken today with the Director of the Marshalls, 51 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: with the Director of the FBI, with Joe BONDI we 52 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: realize that this effort of multi agencies that will combine 53 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: the work of the Tenessee Highway Patrol and the local 54 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: police departments, when we come together, we can make significant 55 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: change in our city. 56 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: Okay, buck to me, more good results for President Trump. 57 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: This is I'm a born and raised Tennessee and I've 58 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: been to Memphis a lot over my life. Nashville and 59 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Memphis used to have a rivalry. I know We've talked 60 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: about this. Lots of different states have multiple big cities. 61 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: I know a lot of y'all listening in Texas, for instance, 62 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: Houston and Dallas used to be a rivalry. What's the 63 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: better city in Tennessee, Nashville, or Memphis. Nobody even talks 64 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: about it anymore. Nashville has just left Memphis behind. 65 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 4: And a big real why for Memphis because of the 66 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 4: crime rate, which everyone's very aware is just completely out 67 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 4: of control. You know, there's only a couple of US 68 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 4: cities that sometimes make these lists of the most dangerous 69 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: per capita. Now, war is a different thing, right, but 70 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 4: we're talking about criminal murders, not we're not you know, 71 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: armed armed, uh, you know, militaries. The only some of 72 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: the only cities that make it onto those lists are Memphis, 73 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: Saint Louis, New Orleans, uh. 74 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: Detroit, Kansas City. There's relatively few. 75 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 4: There's there's only a few of them that that get 76 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 4: on get on these lists. By the way, I was 77 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 4: curious about this. Do you know what has the just 78 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 4: interesting data? As I was pulling this, as we're talking 79 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 4: about this, well, what country has the city with You 80 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: won't guess the city because it's very obscure, and I 81 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 4: actually know something. I know a little bit about it, 82 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 4: so I'll get in a second. But what country do 83 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: you think has the highest per capita murder rate in 84 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 4: the world for a city? 85 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: I would think somewhere in uh well, probably Haiti. 86 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 5: That's interesting. 87 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 4: I think that Haiti is off the list because I 88 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 4: don't even think that they are able to keep. 89 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: Because there's no central government. No, it's true, basically just 90 00:04:59,279 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: run by game. 91 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 6: You know. 92 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 5: I had a guy. 93 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 4: Who was in my my pistol instructor course, who's law enforcement, 94 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 4: and he's you know, Haitian American, and he said that 95 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 4: he used to because he grew he grew up there. 96 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: He became a US citizen and he said that he 97 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 4: used to go there and because he knew people and 98 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 4: everything else, he felt comfortable visiting his family. 99 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 5: He'd be armed. And I said, do you go back now? 100 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 5: He goes? 101 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 4: He goes no, because now it's like there are technicals, 102 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 4: like people with the trucks with the heavy machine guns, 103 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 4: and there's roving. He's like my carrying a pistol there 104 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 4: means nothing. Everyone's got machine guns and there's no there's 105 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 4: basically no central government. So Haiti is kind of it 106 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 4: in its own category. It's a failed state. So I 107 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 4: don't think that, Like, I don't think they know what 108 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: the Porter Prince murder rate is because I don't think 109 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 4: anyone's counting to Dan Mexico, Mexico because a narco terrorism. Yeah, 110 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 4: it's called Hima is the city in Mexico which is 111 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 4: kind of down a bit. And the reason that it's 112 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: such if the last couple of years, it is the 113 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 4: site of all out cartel wars because it had access 114 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 4: to a port on the Pacific side of Mexico, which 115 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: is where all the precursors are coming in for so 116 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 4: control of that port is essentially control of you know, 117 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 4: a lot that's stage. So it's it's a it's a 118 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 4: narco war, to be fair, there is something of a 119 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 4: narco war going on there. Tijuana, Mexico has a super 120 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 4: high murder rate. Some cities in South South Africa have 121 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 4: very very high murder rates per capita. But again bring 122 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 4: us back to the US context. It's New Orleans, Memphis, 123 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 4: Saint Louis, you know, Baltimore sometimes gets on there. And 124 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 4: this is just a list I bring the subclay because 125 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 4: this is a list that no American city should be on, 126 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 4: I think. 127 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 5: Once. 128 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 4: The reason I bring up these other places is, yeah, okay, Collema, Mexico, 129 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 4: some little city. It's the site of a narco turf 130 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 4: war where they're just people are blasting each other in 131 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 4: broad daylight all the time. It's crazy. We're not a 132 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: failed state. Why should we have failed cities? I shouldn't 133 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 4: be this way, And I think that's what trumps. He's 134 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: changing the thinking about this. And we with d C 135 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 4: was a perfect place to start. And you and I 136 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 4: have lived in DC, so we've experienced this. Anyone who 137 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: lives in DC is like, this place is too violent, 138 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: too dangerous. I mean, there's some great things about DC, 139 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 4: but the crime rate is unacceptable. And I think he's 140 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 4: won this argument. Remember maryel Bowser, who I said at 141 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: the beginning, actually likes the idea of getting some help. 142 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 4: She's been pretty supportive of of well, actually supportive, it's 143 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 4: maybe too strong, but passive in. 144 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: Criticism, not publicly antagonistic consistently, which is I think what 145 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: the Memphis mayor said. Also, I was on Fox and 146 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: who was talking about this earlier this morning. Memphis used 147 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: to be a great city and the people of Memphis 148 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: deserve to have security. A lot of people who can 149 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 1: flee that city have My neighborhood in the Nashville area 150 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: is filled with successful Memphis refugees raising families who just 151 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: said it's not safe to raise family here. A lot 152 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: of people who could leave and can't afford to leave 153 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: have left Memphis, And to me, this is a sign 154 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: of Democrat failure because they've had I don't know the 155 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: last time Memphis had a Republican mayor, but it's just 156 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: gotten progressively worse and worse. And we have right now, 157 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: I believe, maybe the highest rated show in Memphis. So 158 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people, you guys could load 159 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: up the lines I'm sure just from Memphis right now 160 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: that are saying Hallelujah, thank you. I told you this 161 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: last year. 162 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 5: Buck. Yeah. 163 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: In March, I was in Memphis for an athletic event 164 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: for my son. They were playing a private school there. 165 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: The lady was like what she told you in Saint Louis. 166 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: When you were visiting Saint Louis. The lady at the 167 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: front desk told me to be careful going out to 168 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: go to a gas station to buy a charger at 169 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: like a thirty at night. I mean, that is the 170 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: degree of crime and violence in Memphis that going to 171 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: a gas station in decent neighborhoods after dark, not late 172 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: at night. When you leave the hotel, they're saying, hey, 173 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: you've got to be careful. They also have I knew 174 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: Memphis was going into a tailspin buck a few years ago. 175 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: I was in Memphis and I was doing an event, 176 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: And if you ever go to a hotel that basically locks. 177 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 5: Down at night. 178 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: You can't get in a lot of Memphis hotels after 179 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: ten pm without going through security, even high level Memphis hotels. 180 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: This is a failed city, and it's failed because Democrat 181 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: leadership has allowed it to occur. They aren't doing their 182 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: job of taking violent people off the streets and keeping 183 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: them there. Memphis police, remember the Tyree Nichols case just vanished. 184 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: But that innocent guy's driving gets the crap beaten out 185 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: of him by Memphis police. Because all the cops were black, 186 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: and because Tyree Nichols was black, that story just vanished. 187 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: It was worse by far to me than the George 188 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: Floyd case, but because it was not a racial element 189 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: to that case, it just vanished. Again. Not every cop 190 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: is perfect, but I think it's instructive of the collapse 191 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: that we've seen in law and order in Memphis. 192 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 4: I always think of when New York was at its 193 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: absolute worst for homicides early nineties ninety ninety one over 194 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 4: two thousand. If you were to on a per capita basis, 195 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: look at Memphis in twenty twenty three had three hundred 196 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 4: and ninety seven homicides play. That means that if Memphis 197 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three was this, you know, per capita 198 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: of the size of New York, New York, it's about 199 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 4: twelve ish times the size. Let's just say so, we'll 200 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: say ten plus, you're looking at four thousand murders. 201 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. 202 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 4: Four thousand murders if you were to be the size 203 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 4: of New York City. To put it in perspective, Memphis 204 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 4: has more murders than New York City overall, right up, yes, 205 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 4: straight up, right up. Which is so it clearly has 206 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: more than ten times a murder rate. And that's just unacceptable. 207 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 4: And the efforts to demail and eye Trump over this, 208 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 4: I really think that they are just failing. And Democrats 209 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 4: are floundering on this one. They don't really know how 210 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 4: to handle it, because what is the argument that we 211 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 4: should have a great city with its heritage and you know, 212 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 4: music and rock and roll and all this that is 213 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 4: on the list for you know, along with like Narco 214 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 4: war places and parts of South Africa where people have 215 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 4: to hire like private security details and have you know, 216 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 4: flamethrowers on the sides of their cars. Yeah, carjackings like 217 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 4: this is not this is not what it should be. 218 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 4: And I think that Trump taking this on makes a 219 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 4: lot of sense. 220 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 5: And also it would just be good. It's just the 221 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 5: right thing to do. 222 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: Yes, And I think Trump has innately gotten this and 223 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: the criticism of Democrats of well, why are you just 224 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: focusing on DC? I think Trump has said, you know what, 225 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: good point, we need to do this lots of places, 226 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: So Chicago, Memphis, New Orleans, Saint Louis, Kansas City, you 227 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: name it, Detroit. When you look at these cities that 228 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: have incredibly high per capitove isolent crime rates, let's address 229 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: it and try to solve it, at least drive it 230 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: down massively, like we have seen take place in Washington, 231 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: d C. I think this is something where we've talked 232 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: about it. Trump's political instincts are strong here because crime 233 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: is out of control in the mind of many Americans, 234 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: and so fixing it is something that a politician should do. 235 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: It's also morally the right thing to do. 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We've 274 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: got an update on a different assassination case than the 275 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 4: one we've been very focused on for the last few days, 276 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 4: the Luigi Mangione case, the alleged assassin of the United 277 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: Healthcare CEO, and this one to updates. Well, update you 278 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 4: on what happened, and then you'll hear about what it 279 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 4: sounded like outside the courthouse here in New York where 280 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 4: we are for this week. A judge is thrown out 281 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 4: the top counts in Luigi Mangio Andi State murder case, 282 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 4: rejecting claims the accused killer can be charged as a 283 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 4: terrorist and a huge blow to prosecutors. Judge Greg Carrow 284 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 4: tossed charges of murder in the first degree as an 285 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 4: act of terrorism and murder in the second degree is 286 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 4: an active terrorism against the twenty seven year old. He 287 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: did keep alive the other second degree murder charge for 288 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 4: allegedly executing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on December fourth 289 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four. Let me see, the people presented 290 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 4: sufficient evidence that defender murder Brian Thompson. That does not 291 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 4: mean the defendant did so with terroristic intent. Okay, so 292 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 4: this judge is a moron. Yes, so the judges a moron. 293 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 4: That was quick. Yeah, the judge is an idiot. And 294 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 4: speaking of idiots, here is outside the courthouse when the 295 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 4: top counts were dropped against this guy. This is what 296 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 4: it sounded like to a bunch of people from a 297 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 4: bunch of people gathered. I have a lot of feelings 298 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: about this club. One thing is you know, the whole 299 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 4: both sides of Is them not a single. 300 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 5: Trump voter in that crowd? I can assure you not one. 301 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 5: It's all leftists, all Democrats. 302 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: Well, this is where I think a lot of us, 303 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: and I'll put myself in this camp. Became aware of 304 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: the uniquely toxic environment on the left when just down 305 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: the road from where we are doing our show, you 306 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: can almost see the location of this assassination of the 307 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: United Healthcare CEO. A lot of people defended it on 308 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: the left and said, well, insurance companies are really frustrating, 309 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: so the CEO should have expected that he might get 310 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: killed and even said it's a good thing. And they 311 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: tried to turn Luigi and Angeoni into a heart thraw 312 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: because remember it took multiple days to catch him because 313 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: he had done the shooting wearing a mask and immediately fled. 314 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: There's the bike racks right outside the front of this 315 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: building where he grabbed a bike and then vanished. 316 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're right here in midtown near where the assassination occurred, 317 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 4: so we know that street very well. And I just 318 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 4: I think about one the assassin of Charlie Kirk, him 319 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 4: and his We we'll talk more also about they're looking 320 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 4: into who else knew and what did they know, and 321 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 4: was anyone aiding in a betting in any way. We'll 322 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 4: get to that in the third hour. But Clay, they 323 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 4: certainly were aware of these in the discord chats which 324 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 4: I was learning about what discord is. Certainly we're aware 325 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 4: of Luigi And wasn't the joke. Wasn't there a joke made, 326 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 4: you know, don't go to a McDonald's or something among them, 327 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 4: because that's where. 328 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 5: Luigi got caught. 329 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's right, McDonald He got turned in 330 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: by a guy who recognized him at a I think 331 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: it was a Pennsylvania era area kind of rural location 332 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: where the guy recognized him. And I just again there 333 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: to your point, there is no equivalent to this on 334 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: the right. 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We are here in 363 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: in New York City. Down in DC, Cash Pattel, director 364 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: of the FBI, is testifying on Capitol Hill and this 365 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: came out a little bit earlier. Senator Josh Hawley of 366 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: Missouri was asking Cash Battel, Hey, we know that this 367 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: one guy has been arrested, that he is a left 368 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: wing zealot, and there are lots of suggestions out there 369 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: that many people in the trans community may well have 370 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: known that this attack was coming, based on different social 371 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: media posts, different activity out there. The investigation is ongoing, 372 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: but this question cut forty I believe is from Senator 373 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: Josh Holly and Missouri for Cash Battel. Listen to the 374 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: answer here. 375 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 5: It is in. 376 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 7: Terms of what we do for an interrogation perspective, we 377 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 7: go and reach out to the family and community immediately, 378 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 7: and we've conducted those investigations and interrogations with local law enforcement, 379 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 7: and we're continuing to do that because as those closest 380 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 7: to the suspect are going to hopefully know the most 381 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 7: about the suspect and his beliefs and his ideology. On 382 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 7: top of that, unfortunately has been leaked that there was 383 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 7: a discord chat, and for those unfamiliar with it, it's 384 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 7: a gaming chat room online that the suspect participated in. 385 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 7: So what we're doing, we've already done, is sort of 386 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 7: legal process, not just on discord, so that the information 387 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 7: we gathered is sustained and held in a evidentiary posture 388 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 7: that we could use in prosecution should it be decided 389 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 7: to do so. And we're also going to be investigating 390 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 7: anyone and everyone involved in that discord chat. 391 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 5: Okay, very good. 392 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 8: I see the public reports that the discord thread had 393 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 8: as many as twenty additional users. It sounds like you're 394 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 8: trying to run down all of that to see if 395 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 8: that's accurate. Who else may have been on that thread, 396 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 8: what they may have known. Is that fair to say? 397 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 5: It's a lot more than that. We're running them all down. 398 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 8: It's a lot more than twenty. Yes, any're running all 399 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 8: of that too, every single one. 400 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: Okay, So one of the challenges here, Buck, and again 401 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: that's Cash Betel responding today testifying on Capitol Hill, is 402 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: going to be did people know or did they not 403 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: know about this plan? Because there are a lot of 404 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: social media posts saying that something was going to happen 405 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 1: to Charlie Kirk on that day. Now, what we don't know, 406 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: buck to be fair, is Charlie Kirk speaks all over 407 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: the place are posts like this comment? In other words, 408 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: were death threats against Charlie Kirk so common that people 409 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: regularly said, Oh, something's going to happen to Charlie when 410 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: he speaks at this location or that location. I'm sure 411 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: the FBI is looking into it. But the trans universe 412 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: out there, that is, the people that are connected to 413 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: this trans individual that the alleged killer was living with, 414 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: seems fairly substantial. And many of those people were very active, 415 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: and they tried to scrub a lot of the commentary 416 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: by deleting accounts and by deleting comments that were posted. 417 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: It's going to be a big part of this investigation, 418 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: I think, to find out how many people might have 419 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: been involved or had pre existing knowledge of this assassination attempt. 420 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 4: They're going to look at everything they can and get 421 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 4: into these discord chats. The thing about all these electronic 422 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 4: communications is that people think. 423 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 5: That their security. 424 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: On them, meaning you can say things and the authorities 425 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 4: won't find out. No, they can get into it, and 426 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 4: they will. They'll get into all these different servers and 427 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 4: see what was said, and they'll also I think, chase 428 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 4: down additional needs as well. There's been discussion from Cash, 429 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 4: but tell about funding for this incident or anything similar 430 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 4: to it, any left wing terrorism that is out there. 431 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 4: They want to see who is funding this stuff. I 432 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 4: think that's also very important. Cash saying that we are, 433 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 4: in essence, we are going to here you go. Actually, 434 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 4: this is cut one. Would you guys play this one 435 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 4: for me. I wanted to pull this one up. Here's 436 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 4: Cash saying they're going to go wherever the money. 437 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 7: I've always said we follow the money, and whether it's 438 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 7: terrorism or a tax based on ideology or a tax 439 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 7: on institutions of faith or people of faith, someone's paying 440 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 7: for it, and we are reverse tracing those steps. We 441 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 7: are not stopping at the perpetrator themselves. We are reverse 442 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 7: engineering to hold those accountable in our investigations to who 443 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 7: funded them and knowingly funded them, and we will bring 444 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 7: the appropriate steps against them with our partners at DJ. 445 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 5: So that's interesting. 446 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 4: Follow the money terrorism or tax based on ideology someone 447 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 4: is paying for it. Is he speaking Clay, you think 448 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 4: just in general about these kinds of violent incidents, or 449 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 4: is there something about this one in particular because the 450 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 4: rifle that was used. You notice there's not much of 451 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 4: a talk about gun control because if you try to 452 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 4: ban this rifle, you're banning I mean, this is basically 453 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 4: an old school bolt action hunting rifle. Is essentially the 454 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 4: murder weapon that was used here, the assassination weapon that 455 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 4: was used. So that's not you know, there's nothing about 456 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 4: that that is expensive or sophisticated or out of the ordinary. 457 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 4: I think it's interesting. I'm not sure if Cash is 458 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 4: just speaking about this to set a general tone that 459 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 4: for any of these incidents, and if there's going to 460 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 4: be in the future, let's say Antifah or Trantifa riots 461 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 4: and neighborhoods, are they being funded by some of these 462 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 4: shadowy carvouts that have tie ins to anybody funded by 463 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 4: Soros or whatever it may be. Or is there something 464 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 4: about this that they're specifically looking at a money trail. 465 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 5: That's for him to bring this up. 466 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 4: I just think it's interesting that he's talking about money 467 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 4: in this incident, whether whether there's anything that they've seen 468 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,959 Speaker 4: that makes them think because they're looking for co conspirators, 469 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: they're looking for people that new, they're looking at all 470 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 4: these different aspects of it. I wouldn't think the logistics 471 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: of this would require financing. Really, it's not like you know, 472 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 4: jihatas terrorists you have to get Maybe they're getting fake 473 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: passports and they're getting plane tickets and they're coming over 474 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 4: he here or whatever. But there is stuff we clearly 475 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 4: don't know yet, and that even the FBI doesn't know 476 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 4: they're trying to chase down. 477 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting to a large extent that the mass 478 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: protests have not existed for year one of Trump. I 479 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: know there have been some. They had that one No 480 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: King's Day or whatever it was. 481 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 5: But it's kind of a dud, sad exclamation. 482 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: Kind of a dud. The anti Trump protests on Inauguration Day. 483 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: You and I have talked about being in the midst 484 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: of those and how sad and muted they felt. 485 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 5: It was cold. 486 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 4: We want to give those old ladies a cup of 487 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 4: hot coco. Yeah, Like I just I felt like they 488 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 4: needed bigger coats. Their purple hair was turning into icicles. 489 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 4: It was sad out there. 490 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: I walked into Fox News today and there were eight 491 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: or so bedraggled protesters, all seventy five or older, standing 492 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: outside of Fox News protesting. It is to me somewhat 493 00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: intriguing that all of the counter protests to Trump have 494 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: kind of dried up. And the reason why I wonder 495 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: is did BLM did a lot of people suddenly realize 496 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: that they were going to get looked into in a 497 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: real way, because remember how suspicious it always was. Some 498 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: dump truck would pull up and suddenly there would just 499 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: be bricks that were able to be picked up in 500 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: two by fours and other objects of violence that just 501 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: materialized for everybody. There are a lot of paid protesters. 502 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us have come to recognize 503 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: that there are many people who paid to show up. 504 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: But it does feel like those overall, what they tried 505 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: to label organic protests, have suddenly vanished. 506 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 4: In Trump two points, there was clearly a rent a 507 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 4: mob phenomenon that had occurred in previous left wing protests. 508 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 5: I think that's definitely the case. 509 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 4: I also think that now when they look at the 510 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 4: places where this stuff is being organized and planned out, 511 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 4: it Is in places like these discord chats. This has 512 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 4: become and I think the perfect example is neither you 513 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 4: nor I, who are very Internet aware and active are 514 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 4: on discord or doing any of this stuff, certainly not 515 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 4: on Twitch. But if you were to think about where 516 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 4: do people in Antifa and where do those kinds of 517 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 4: radicals find each other? I mean, I go back play 518 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 4: to the old Jihattis chat room. This was something that 519 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 4: for a long time and a lot of the counter 520 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 4: terrorism investigations of the call it the twenty tens around there. 521 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 4: It all started with people who found each other. This 522 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 4: is now jihatas terrorism we're talking about. But they found 523 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 4: each other on a chat and then maybe they started 524 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 4: attending the same mosque, they'd try to go to a 525 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 4: more radical mosque, and then maybe they would start doing 526 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 4: a little bit of firearms training together or talking about 527 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 4: how to build a bomb. And they would share articles 528 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 4: from Inspire, which was out kaiding the Arabian Peninsula's propaganda 529 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 4: to arms Slash, telling people go go do terror attacks. 530 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 5: Here's how you do it, right. 531 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 4: But they were finding people in these chatteroms at the point, 532 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 4: and then it became very clear over time FBI and 533 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 4: other entities are very actively monitoring any terrorist conspiracies going 534 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 4: on there, and I think that they're going to find 535 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 4: a lot of really scary and very likely illegal stuff 536 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 4: being discussed when they start to look at the because 537 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: these things tend to be linked to each other, Right, 538 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 4: this group is talking, maybe this group also has this 539 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 4: other group and they communicate in this online ecosystem. 540 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: Well, I think what you're going to find with Discord. 541 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of you are not hyper 542 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: online necessarily listening to us, but you basically have a 543 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: series of private message boards. And I think when they 544 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,479 Speaker 1: now know that this Discord group chat that cash Betel 545 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: referenced exists, I think there's going to be a lot 546 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: of people saying, wait a minute, to what extent should 547 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: Discord chats right? Like? And again I understand this is 548 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: getting into weeds a little bit for some of you, 549 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: but Reddit is a public forum. Twitter is a public forum. 550 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: That is everybody can see what is posted on these. 551 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 4: So if you or I are tweeting at somebody, hey, 552 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 4: let's get the rent a mob together to go, uh, 553 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 4: you know, go bash some windows down at this place 554 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 4: at this time, guess who else is seeing it at 555 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 4: the cops and everybody. 556 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that that they can track. But I wonder 557 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: to what extent there's going to be questions now raised 558 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: about private message board servers in Discord and the conversations 559 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: that are being facilitated inside of that marketplace. Is that 560 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: because it's bringing strangers together? And this is what I 561 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: mean about the old the old school jihatas chat rooms. Yeah, 562 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: this is where people would find each other on that's right, 563 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: and then that's the form that would be the formation 564 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: of the cell or the formation of the sort of 565 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: radicalization process would start there and then things would follow 566 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: onto that. Then the action would come instead of the 567 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: old school chat room, which you know now it's this 568 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: specifically these Discord servers. So I wonder how much of 569 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: an investigation is going to go on here. And I 570 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: think you're raising good interesting questions, which are how much 571 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: of these private conversations in a public forum Discord is 572 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: a company that is hosting and making money off of these, 573 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: how much of them are incredibly toxic and how many 574 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: of them are criminal in nature? 575 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 5: Uh? 576 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: And what is the responsibility of Discord when it comes 577 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: to monitoring in some way those conversations and or for 578 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: authorities to monitor those conversations. 579 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 4: I wonder what kind of uh, what do they call 580 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 4: it when they know they have the people like moderating, 581 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 4: thank you moderating, Because Facebook and these and these other 582 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 4: major platforms have gotten far more savvy about moderation they've 583 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 4: they've had to, but they also I'm sure using not 584 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 4: just algorithms but AI increasingly to do this discord maybe 585 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 4: kind of the wild West a little bit. 586 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 5: That's the sense you get, right. 587 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 4: It may be almost like and anything goes in this 588 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 4: chat room, and these people feel like no one else 589 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 4: is going to see this or find this, And as 590 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 4: the FBI starts to kick over some of those stones, 591 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 4: we could see some really ugly stuff. 592 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: Also, reportedly, this assassin confessed in discord. Yeah, that would 593 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: suggest that he sees this group as profoundly connective tissue 594 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: for him. And to your point, I wonder how much 595 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: of the toxicity that we are seeing is emanating from 596 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: these toxic people finding each other and driving each other 597 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: to additional forms of radicalism by trying to normalize the 598 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: hate that they are experiencing. Again, there's lots of hate 599 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: on all sorts of social media sites, but I think 600 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: there's a difference between public that is what everybody can see, 601 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: and private, which is taking place on these discord chats. 602 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: We'll talk about this, we'll play some of your talkbacks 603 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: when we return. But in the meantime, when your cell 604 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: phone service with pure Talk, you're getting the best price 605 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: and quality service. Pure Talk's coverage same towers networks, big carriers, 606 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: but at a fraction of the price. 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All right, welcome back in to 627 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 4: Clay and back. We'll take some calls and talkbacks now. 628 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 4: I want to hear from all of you. 629 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 5: Also. Momentarily, I believe they're. 630 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 4: Going to be announcing the official charges against the assassin 631 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 4: of Charlie Kirk. So that will be happening here momentarily 632 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 4: and we will bring that to you live if if 633 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 4: that is, if that does in fact happen in just 634 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 4: a few minutes. So we'll get to calls first here 635 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 4: Guy in Albany, Oregon, Guy, what's going on? 636 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 6: Hey, guys, thank you so much. And my heart is 637 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 6: just broken for charity and especially as family and as 638 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 6: little kids. Yes, anyway, I wanted to talk about Memphis. 639 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 6: I just couldn't believe that I got out of Navy 640 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 6: boot camp in early nineteen eighty and got sent to Millington, Tennessee, 641 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 6: which is just very close to Memphis. We had base 642 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 6: buses that would go back and forth over there all 643 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 6: the time. We had so much fun down and Overdon Square, 644 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 6: so late at night and everything else. Even watched Van 645 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 6: Halen live way back then. That's when Roth was still 646 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 6: with him, and we walked all over through that town. 647 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 6: There was never anything going on except just a lot 648 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 6: of fun. They wanted people to come in and have fun. 649 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: Yep. 650 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 6: I'm just wondering what the heck happened to Memphis? When 651 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 6: and how did this get so freaking crazy that now? 652 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 5: You know, that's an interesting question. 653 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 4: Guys, thank you for calling in, And I'll put this 654 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 4: to Clay because he's our resident Tennessee expert. Did Memphis 655 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 4: have a downturn period where it was clear that it 656 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 4: you know, was it like the nineties or when when 657 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 4: did it start to become so dangerous? 658 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question. I think it was. You know, 659 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: what's the great line from him away about how you 660 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: go bankrupt? 661 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 5: Bankrupt? 662 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 2: Rather? 663 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, gradually and then all at once. Yeah, it progressively 664 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: got worse. And I remember going to Memphis again. I've 665 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: been going my whole life. I really started to note 666 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 1: Nashville and Memphis moving in opposite directions in a big way. 667 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: Around two thousand and it was as if every year 668 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: Nashville got better and Memphis got worse, because as a 669 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: kid in the eighties and the nineties, you would go 670 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 1: back and forth, kind of good naturedly over Memphis or Nashville, 671 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: which is better. And about two thousand and two or 672 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: two thousand and three, that argument just ended, and it 673 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 1: has just precipitously gotten worse. I think what's happened, Buck, 674 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: is a lot of the people with substantial assets, resources 675 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: and the ability to move, they left. 676 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it creates a vortex effect. It keeps getting worse. 677 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 4: Chris lives in Memphis. Once talk to us about it. 678 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 4: What's going on? 679 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 5: Chris? 680 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, Hello, okay out. 681 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: Here, we gotcha, Yeah, we got you. 682 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 9: Oh well, yeah, I'm just seven year old black man 683 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 9: from Missus. 684 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 2: Man. 685 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 9: This the crime is getting out of patrol. 686 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: Impar When did you sorry to cut you off? Chris 687 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: Buck asked a question, when did you notice it starting 688 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: to get really bad there? 689 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 9: You're twenty seven, I'm gonna say about twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. 690 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: And you want more resources there to help Memphis people. 691 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, Yo, we really do neo because it's 692 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 9: crazy than we would top five, top team and murder rate. 693 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 4: Yep, it's nuts. Yeah, Chris, you know the Trump cavalry, though, 694 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 4: I think is coming. I think he is going to 695 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 4: really try to help your city and that would be 696 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 4: a great thing. I assume you agree with that. 697 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 9: Yes, sir, I do, an RFP Charlie. 698 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 4: Kurkler, absolutely, Chris, thank you for calling in from Memphis. 699 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 4: Appreciate you listening, Thanks for waiting to get into the 700 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 4: conversation here. We are going to have these charges announced, 701 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 4: I believe shortly. And also more on this Luigi Mangioni situation. 702 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 4: That's all coming up in just a moment.