WEBVTT - #768 Packers Unscripted: Digging into the draft 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:10.680 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.280 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.120 by the one and only Weston had Kowitz. We're coming 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.319 to you, Hear from our studios at lambeau Field, to 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.760 talk about Wes the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. It 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.040 was a wild and crazy three days. I'll start by 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:29.520 asking have you recovered? Are you all right? 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.440 I think so. It's always interesting And you were talking 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.919 about this little bit on Monday. You Sunday was not. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.120 I didn't get much accomplished on Sunday. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:38.960 Nope, me neither. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:40.560 Well a couple a little later, I ended up taking 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.120 a good, like two hour nap as well, and then 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.360 I am not a good napper to begin with. So 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.480 then you kind of get back into the flow of things. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.440 And yesterday went fine, and then today has been like 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.800 difficult to get rolling again. But we're here, We're excited, 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.800 and uh yeah, eleven more draft picks coming into the 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:58.800 Green Bay Packers fold. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.800 Yeah, absolutely, well, as you said, it was eleven picks, 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:07.080 starting with offensive lineman Jordan Morgan in the first round. 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.880 And I have to say this because I'm normally not 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.840 right about anything. But I did say on our last 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.280 show before the draft, I predicted the Packers would have 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.920 eleven picks because it would be a combination of trade 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.720 trades up and trades down, which ended up being correct. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.720 And then I said, if Brian Gudakum sat and picked 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.280 in the first round and did not trade, it would 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.600 be he would sit and pick an offensive lineman, and 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.759 I ended up being right on that count as well. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.600 So I just have to say that because usually I'm 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:42.400 like totally wrong. But of the eleven picks, three offensive lineman, 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.559 three safeties, two linebackers, plus a running back, a quarterback, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:53.240 and a corner back. Your first impression of this draft 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.880 class as a collective and what it means for the 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.880 twenty twenty four Green Bay Packer. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.800 I'm gonna steer it back really quickly if I can 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.360 to your point about Morgan in the first round, because 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.400 once again we saw Brian Goodkuin's take three offensive linemen 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:10.120 in a draft. That's something that he's been very interesting 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.639 with the way he's approached this where there was back 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.440 to back years consecutive years where he took three. Last 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:16.440 year he took none. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:17.640 Yeah, for good reason. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.240 It was a well stocked cabinet. This year, you lose 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.720 some guys, so in coomes this new draft class, and 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:27.880 I give you credit. I give a lot of people credit. Obviously, 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:28.960 I picked Amarus Mims. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.240 I was thinking, yeah, you were on offensive lineman as well, but. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.320 I think pound for pound, when you really break it down, 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.320 mike tackle, whatever Morgan ends up playing in the pros, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.000 that's what made the most sense for Green Bay here. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:43.840 I think that's what gave you the biggest bang for 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.680 your buck. It was interesting how it landed because Mims 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.720 goes off the board at eighteen, Graham Barton is still 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.919 there at twenty five. As it turned out, Geyton was 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.440 also still available. I think he ended up going twenty nine. 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.200 Tyler Goeiton. But the Packers really like Jordan Morgan. Like 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.160 his size, they like the way he bounced back from 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.639 the knee injury. He was a team leader. A common 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:09.200 thread between this draft was team captains in Senior Bowl participation, 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.760 and Morgan was a part of that. I think there's 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.800 a lot to like about his forty time, the athleticism there, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.160 and then the one thing I'll kind of laugh at 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.280 a little bit. You and I talked so much about 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.960 Edger and Cooper and where is this guy going to be? 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:23.960 What's his value going to be? Well, the answer was 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.000 he was the forty fifth overall pick. And I think 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.960 if you listen to what folks like Daniel Jeremiah said 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.600 some of these other pundits, I think the Packers got 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.200 Edger and Cooper, who I believe will be a really 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.000 strong pro. I think he's gonna be a great guy 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.800 to pair up with kway Walker. I think they got 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.040 him for the maximum value there being able to move 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.920 back a couple spots, get a couple more picks to 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.280 have some trade equity with and some flexibility, and now 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.040 you're getting the first off ball linebacker that was drafted 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.400 in this draft class. I could go on forever about 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.400 this thing, Mike, but I think with how they set 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.240 the tone in the first two days, it reminded me 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.600 a lot of last year, where you found depth, you 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.520 found you address some needs, but I think you also 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.560 found some really intriguing football players as well. 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.760 Yeah. Absolutely to me. To me, the crux the heart 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.800 of this draft was Friday, the second and third rounds, 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:19.400 Because having four picks on Day two of the draft 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.560 is a rarity. It just doesn't happen very often. And 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:27.080 through a combination of circumstances, the the extra pick still 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.880 left over from the Aaron Rodgers trade, and then the 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.240 move up from the fifth round to the third round 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.560 from the Rasul Douglas trade. That's why the Packers had 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:41.679 two seconds and two thirds and taking away and taking 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.960 nothing away from Jordan Morgan as the first round pick. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.480 We had talked about offensive line and all that, so 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.000 that that did not surprise me. But to but what 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.120 the Packers did on Friday night, I think, you know, 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.279 get you get the number one, the first off ball 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:01.960 linebacker taken in the draft. You also take the second 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.520 safety off the board, who I believe, and I'll get 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.279 into this a little bit more in a minute. I 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.080 believe he had to be the number one safety on 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.640 the Packers board. I firmly believe that. Then you add, 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:20.880 excuse me, then you add a running back to the 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:24.719 equation in the third round. Really really interesting prospect. I 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.960 want to talk more about about Marshawn Lloyd as well. 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.760 And then you double up at the off ball linebacker 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:36.720 with uh, with Tyron Hopper from Missouri. That's uh, that's 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:38.960 sort of the you know, the blood and guts of 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.120 this draft to me is what the Packers did in 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.560 rounds two and round three. When I look at try 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.920 to look at things in the big picture, I think 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:50.640 the Packers got a combination of potential, if not likely, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:56.200 immediate starters at some spots, but also then a lot 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:00.520 of depth and competition and everything at at various other positions. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:05.240 To me, I think I think Edger and Cooper and 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:10.599 Javon Bullard are odds on favorites to earn starting jobs. 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:16.640 In Jeff Hafley's defense, that being said, I'm not ruling 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.240 out Tyron Hopper in the Edger and Cooper, Isaiah McDuffie, 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.760 Quay Walker that hole and how that's going to sort 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.640 itself out. And I'm not ruling out either of the 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.520 other two safeties with regard to Bullard and how and 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.320 how maybe that shakes out for who will be the 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:37.800 starting safety alongside Xavier McKinney the free agent acquisition, and 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.560 maybe you have another starter in Jordan Morgan. He's going 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.360 to start out, according to Matt Lafleur, at left tackle, 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.840 which means we'll be competing with Rashid Walker, who had 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.520 a heck of a year in twenty twenty three, but 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.400 he's only started one year in the NFL. That's not 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.760 to say that a guy like Jordan Morgan couldn't come 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.160 in and beat him out. I think I don't think 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.719 Rashid Walker is going to give up that spot very easily. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:03.919 I think he's gonna And that's exactly what the coaches 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:08.599 and the scouts and everybody wants, is the competition to 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.920 try to, you know, raise everybody's level of play. It's 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.120 what worked for the Packers last year with the whole 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.240 youth movement at wide receiver and at tight end. We 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.600 saw how by the second half of the season all 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.880 the competition for playing time and for targets and for 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:29.800 everything else got the Packers offense to another level. And 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.880 I think they're looking for the same thing at various 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.560 positions with how they went about this draft. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:40.000 Yeah, absolutely, and looking specifically at safety. Know no disrespect 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:41.960 to what the Packers had at that position last year, 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:43.760 but I think when you're looking at the draft picks 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.560 that they ended up with here, you're just getting a 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.760 different caliber of athlete in a lot of ways. And 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.960 certainly Billard, it starts with him. I mean, it's a 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.320 guy that was a starting nickel cornerback for Georgia when 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.840 they won the National championship two interceptions of the National 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.640 Championship Game defensive MVP. Then the next he plays on 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.600 the back end. He talked about it as his conference 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.600 call with reporters. He sees himself as a three position safety, 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.000 a guy that can play in the slot. He can 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.000 play both positions in the back end. A lot to 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.200 like in terms of his speed, his athleticism. He's a 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.320 Georgia bulldog, and I think everybody understands. I believe it 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.800 was Pat Moore, who's Packer's scout, that even said that 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.320 when you play for Kirby Smart, you're gonna tackle, You're 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:24.960 going to have a tenacity. You don't get on the 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.200 field in the SEC and those environments if you're not 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.080 a competitor, if you're not giving it everything. And I 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:31.960 think that's something to look forward to with him. But 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.880 you know, Evan Williams is a guy and I joked 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.920 about this and Insider Inbox. I don't know how he 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.040 plays from a play style perspective, but when I close 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.640 my eyes and listen to that conference call, I could 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.360 have swore I was listening to Micah Hyde from ten 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:42.880 years ago. 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.240 It's a really good comparable because because yeah, just his 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.480 just his voice, his demeanor as it came through over 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.120 the phone with the reporters. I agree with you, there's 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:54.240 a lot of Micah Hyde there. 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.880 And you listen to safeties and they talk about communicators 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:00.400 and guys that can relate, you know, to their Teammatesilliams, 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.240 everything I've read in the subsequent days after, whether it 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.240 was at Fresno State or whether it was at Oregon, 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.600 it sounds like that's something that he did well. Now, 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.320 the thing that's going to be interesting is both him 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.880 and Bullard they look like more of the box safety types. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.720 Guys that have played a lot in the slot have 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.959 that type of flexibility. Katano Ladeppo on the back end 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.320 of it, the last safety they drafted, appears to be 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.920 more of the back end type safety, and I think 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.840 there's value in that as well. I mean, not that 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:29.880 he can't play in the slot as well, but you know, 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.120 six foot two, two hundred and fifteen pounds, I mean, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:36.040 this kid brings it. Had to work and cut his 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.760 teeth for everything that he got at Oregon State. He 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.440 was a walk on, very lightly recruited, waited three years. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.400 It looked like he was gonna get his opportunity. Then 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.720 he gets hurt. Then he's a three year starter for them. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.000 And I don't know if you've got a chance to 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:50.360 watch the play, but if you want to see what 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:54.760 that kid's all about. His chase down tackle against Washington 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.640 last year, where there is one guy that has any 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.559 chance of being able to bring down the ball carry 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.600 before the end zone, it's Katan and not only does 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.120 he take him down, he strips him of the ball 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.080 and they get the turnover. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:06.520 Wow. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.439 Those are the extra effort plays when guys are going 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.439 to that second level that you need. The Green Bay 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.400 Packers they got Xavier McKinney. That's a huge get for them, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.440 top free agent safety on the market. But other than that, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.840 you only had Anthony Johnson Junior coming back a second 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.480 year player with three hundred defensive snaps, and Zane Anderson 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.280 who didn't see the field last year at safety. Benny 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.439 Sap played a little bit on special teams, but overall 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.640 you needed to find some answers for that. And when 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.439 we talk about the strength of this draft, an off 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.520 ball linebacker's piece of it. Offensive line is a piece 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.080 of it, but no position needed more of an infusion 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.720 of talent than safety, and Brian Goudikins came through. 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:44.400 Yeah. Absolutely. It's interesting because you know, the fans ask 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.839 us a lout. Okay, so what's your biggest takeaway from 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:52.160 this draft? And I can't believe that I've been here 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.640 as long as I have and haven't really processed and 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:02.440 articulated this as I'm about to, but couple things I 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.760 discovered in this draft. It just it was sort of 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.400 like this mini epiphany that I had. It's not just 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:13.920 that the Packers like versatility in their players, whether you're 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.920 talking the offensive lineman or the safety who can maybe 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:21.360 play the slot corner. Excuse me. It's not just that 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:25.079 they like guys who you know, who have been a captain, 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.920 you know, a defensive captain and offensive captain, a team captain, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:34.040 whatever that means in college. But it's that they place 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:38.319 they place a value on those types of things that 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.160 is built into the draft board, you know. And that's 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:46.240 why I said earlier, I think Javon Bullard was the 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.560 number one safety on the Packers board. He was considered 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.920 the number two or number three safety on most of 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.240 the lists that you look at, well, how does he 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.959 become the number one safety on the Packers board compared 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.080 to those other guys, well, all the other you know, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.559 the draft analysts out there, and I'm not disparaging their 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.200 work at all, but they're looking at Tyler Duman from 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.079 Minnesota and Javon Bullard from Georgia, and they're looking at 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.679 the tape of how they play safety and the things 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.440 that they do, and a lot of people rated Tyler 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.400 Nuban as the better safety. But the Packers end up 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.240 putting a guy like Javon Bullard higher on their board 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.720 because he can also play the nickel, he can play 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.360 the slot corner. The versatility they probably view him, if 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:32.040 not if not just a better player maybe period than 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:36.000 the other safeties, but if all the other traits are 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.320 close enough to being equal, the versatility is what puts 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.880 a guy like Javon Bullard over the top, and you know, 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:43.680 bumps him up the draft board. 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:44.160 YEP. 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.640 Five of these guys five of the Packers eleven draft picks, 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.679 including Evan Williams, who was a captain at Fresno State 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.800 before the transfer to Oregon. Five of these players were 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.880 captains on their team in college that is part of 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:02.040 the Packers draft grade and how how they build their board. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.960 And so it's not just some kind of a coincidence 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.120 that the Packers are always drafting these versatile players and 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.600 drafting guys who were captains on their college teams. It's 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.800 part a it's a part of their evaluation process that 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.600 is factored into the grade and factored into how they 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:23.240 build the board. And it took me a lot of 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.959 years before before it kind of hit me. It's not 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.400 just some kind of coincidence. Right. The other thing I'll 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.880 say too, because you mentioned the Senior Bowl this year 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:36.600 in particular, eight of these eleven guys were at the 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.720 Senior Bowl. Actually nine of them were, but one of 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.640 them couldn't participate because he was he was dealing with 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.400 an injury at the time. I believe that was Hopper 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:49.240 from Missouri, if I'm not mistaken. But I started to 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:50.959 think a little bit more and I asked a follow 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.960 up question to a question to Brian Gudukunst on Saturday 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:55.800 night with regard to the Senior Bowl. And I asked 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.959 a follow up question again something that kind of hit 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:02.199 me how important the Senior Bowl is as an evaluation 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.000 tool because yes, these guys, they grind the tape, they 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:09.080 watch everything on video, but all all you know, you're 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.880 watching all the game video and that's that's when you 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.640 know the coaches have game planned, when you've studied your opponent, 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.600 et cetera, et cetera, And what you get at the 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.480 Senior Bowl is Okay, here Jordan Morgan, here's one of 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.840 the best edge rushers in the league in this draft class. 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.960 Coming out. You're going one on one against him in practice. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:30.920 You haven't had a chance to study him, you haven't 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:32.760 watched any film on him. You just got to go 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.040 out there and play. That's what the Senior Bowl is. 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:39.720 That's what the that week of practices is from an 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.240 evaluation standpoint, and the Packers put a lot of stock 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.440 in that in how those guys perform in that environment. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:50.320 I thought Brian Gudokun's comments on Saturday night really helped 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.080 to explain, you know, what it is about the Senior 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.960 Bowl that makes it different from an evaluation standpoint. So 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:58.640 those are a lot of the things that were going 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.920 through my head with her to this draft class and 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.960 how it kind of comes together for me. Any other 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.520 takeaways for you in sort of the collective set well, 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:08.800 and the. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.880 Senior Bowl is an important tool too, And I've been 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.160 learning this more and more over my time, actually, probably 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:14.680 more with Packers dot Com than even when I was 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.720 at the Prescazette. Because it's one thing for Jordan Morgan 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.480 to be lining up against Leatu Latu, right and to 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.720 see some of the top guys in the country. Then 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.160 you go into the sixth round you have a guy 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.960 like Travis Glover, who, my goodness, Michael. When you look 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.160 in just terms of the makeup of a player, when 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.640 a guy is six foot six, three hundred and twenty pounds, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.960 eighty four and a half inch wingspan, almost thirty five 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.680 inch arms, he looks the part as a tackle. But 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.160 he played at Georgia State, right, which is a program 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.480 that's still relatively in its infancy in the Sun Belt. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.400 Yeah, it's only been around for about a dozen years 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:45.640 or so. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.280 Yeah, So being able for him to go to the 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.480 Senior Bowl. I believe it was Jason Wildey who asked 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.800 Brian about this. That's a huge marker for him being 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.240 able to then match up against some of those top guys, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.560 and it's somebody that definitely improved his draft stock through 0:15:58.560 --> 0:15:59.480 that process as well. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.680 Yeah, well Over went to the Hula Bowl as well. 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.880 He was actually he was actually at two of the 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.720 college All Star games, and that was big for him, 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.920 as you said, as a smaller school guy. That's where 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.640 you get. You line up against the Power five conference 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.720 players and the evaluators get get an extra and even 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:17.880 more important look at you. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:19.640 And then the three guys I just want to touch 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.040 on quickly because we haven't mentioned their names yet. Jacob 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.840 Mounk from Duke. I don't know if I've ever heard 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.600 Brian as openly talk about a prospect that they legitimately 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.040 had their eye on in that day three. You know, 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:31.960 he mentioned there was numerous scouts in that room that 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.680 really liked him. If you look at it, the kid 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.480 has some really intriguing intangibles. He's six foot three, three 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.080 hund ten pounds, runs a five nine forty, very strong. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:42.640 I believe he was the one that put up thirty 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.080 one on the bench press, a five year starter. Very rare. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.120 And if I keep telling people, remember the ACC played 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.440 basically throughout the COVID year. They didn't do a half 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.920 season or we're going to cancel the season, and then 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.960 they start playing no he played eleven year, eleven games 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.920 in twenty twenty. Yeah, he started at He started at 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.320 right guard predominantly. He started a season at right tackle 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.960 when they needed him there. And in the Packers just 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:08.960 overall loved the makeup of this kid in the. 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.399 Fact, and they traded up for him. 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.119 They traded up for him. Yeah, going up eights or 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.600 forced five spots to get them. Yeah, seventh round. Very quickly, 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.160 just to touch on this, Michael Pratt, I mean, there's 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.440 nothing I can even say about this kid. Watch Tom 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.159 Pelisero's profile on him. It's an eleven minute video that 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.680 the NFL and NFL Network put together. People were asking 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.199 Insider Inbox on Monday when I was writing it, like, hey, 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.280 when is the feature coming on this guy? I would 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.560 love to write something on Michael Pratt. But I've also 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:36.960 I'm of that ILK that it's like if somebody else 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:38.959 does it and does it better and just does it 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.200 full bore, you just tip your cap to that person 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.159 and let them have their story because the job that 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.560 Tom did on that, I mean, just to give you 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.320 quickly and a synopsis of this, one of his best 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:53.320 friends growing up in high school played with them. The 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.399 receiver to his quarterback. Guys that came from two different 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.280 walks of life. Young man commits to Georgia Tech at 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.760 the same time that pract commits the Tulane. Unfortunately, you know, 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:07.200 the young man ended up, you know, committing suicide. And 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.200 it's something that Michael has worn with him. He has 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.040 the Belief seven tattoo on his inner bicep. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.800 Very uniform number seven as well, in honor of his 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:18.760 high school teammate and friend. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.480 And then also lost his brother later on as well 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.840 to an illness shortly after he had just become an uncle. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.560 His brother had just had a child. So a very 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.119 interesting story and interesting look into him, and I'll tell 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.280 you what for an eleven minute piece, it completely just 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:40.080 zips right by. Then finally Kaylan King last pick for 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.800 the Packers. This is a guy Michael that coming off 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.920 of his true sophomore year at Penn State eighteen breakups 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.000 twenty two breakups depending on who you talk to, three 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.840 interceptions looked, you know, played incredible for the Nitney Lions. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.080 He comes back his junior year, it doesn't go as well. 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.199 Only two passes defense this past season. He has this 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.960 precipitous all down the draft boards ends up going two 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:03.560 fifty five overall. 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.800 And he chose to come out early. He could have stayed, 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.040 but he chose to come out early and then ends 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.000 up falling all the way to the seventh round when 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.160 the Packers choose him with their eleventh and final pick 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:15.200 at two fifty five. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:16.720 And this is why I've been getting into a fight 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:18.960 with people on Twitter, because they're all, like, I made 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.960 the comparison to Carrington Valentine and all these so called 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.119 experts and scouts that evidently know everything about every seventh 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.960 round pick that's ever been in the NFL, telling me, no, 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.080 they're entirely different players. No, dude, what I'm saying is 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.919 that when you have a guy like Valentine, who also 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.680 came out a year early when he could have went back, 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.359 and he also is going to probably be the youngest 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.840 player on this team this year, King if he makes it, 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:43.360 would be the youngest player on this team. I think 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.920 he's going to play his entire season at twenty one 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.159 years old. All of that being said, his conference call 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.679