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Speaker 1: Welcome to the latest edition of the Giant Shuttle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Lance Meadow with you as we were continuing to analyze

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Speaker 1: the two thousand twenty two draft class, and the Giants

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Speaker 1: selected eleven players this year, and with their lone sixth

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Speaker 1: round pick, they took Cincinnati linebacker Darian Beavers. If you

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Speaker 1: get more into Beavers and what he'll bring to the Giants,

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Speaker 1: we are now joined by the head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bearcats, none other than Luke Fickle. Coach Lance Meadow

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Speaker 1: here greatly appreciate the time. Let's start with a player

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Speaker 1: who interestingly began his career at Yukon and then transferred

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Speaker 1: was appealing about Beavers that when you brought him over,

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Speaker 1: we could certainly tap into his variety of skill set

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Speaker 1: to make an impact within the Cincinnati defense. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me, Lance, I love talking about our guys Beavers

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Speaker 1: obviously in particular, but you know, it's it's so unique.

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Speaker 1: We missed him coming out of high school. To be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, he was about a six ft three

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Speaker 1: first year here, so I don't know that we did

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Speaker 1: so I think that was probably the big thing. And

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Speaker 1: he went to Yukon and I remember that when we

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Speaker 1: true freshman at actually at linebacker, and then a year

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Speaker 1: we had probably four or five guys from his high

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Speaker 1: of knew him pretty well. I don't know if we

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Speaker 1: have him and then to see how he grew over

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Speaker 1: a three year period. Well, speaking of how he grew,

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Speaker 1: what I understand, when he was a junior in high

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Speaker 1: unbelievable in terms of the transformation of a body. What

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Speaker 1: him to that point and why was that so important? Well,

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Speaker 1: So the evolution of where he came from as a

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Speaker 1: when he kind of made that decision that he's got

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Speaker 1: a passion to be able to play at the next level,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up the versatility component because when

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Speaker 1: they drafted him, they said, from what they've seen on

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Speaker 1: But I'm sure they'll get a good feel for, you know,

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Speaker 1: clearly he thinks very highly himself in terms of taking

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Speaker 1: Coach can't thank you know, greatly appreciate the time of

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