1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, cult Mom Laurie Valoe and 2 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: her new husband, the Prophet, And for those of you 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: that can't see me, I am definitely using air quotees 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: on that the husband, Prophet Chad day Belle are furiously 5 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: fighting right now in a court of law against the 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: death penalty. There is a bill sitting on the Governor's 7 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: desk right now to reinstitute I believe it is the 8 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: firing squad. So I guess they are fighting tooth and 9 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: claw to get the death penalty thrown out in the case, 10 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: the case involving the murders of Laurie Valo's two children. 11 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: And let's see, there's so many dead bodies. Actually think 12 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: about it for a moment. Then you've got Timmy day 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Bell who just turns up ditch. She was healthy as 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: a horse, running marathons. But oh yes, I guess we 15 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: should have seen it coming because her prophet husband had 16 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: a premonition that she would be dead soon. I guess 17 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: that's why he went ahead and agreed to get a 18 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: new outfit for his wedding to cult Mom Laurie Valo. 19 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: Then you have the specter of cult Mom Laurie Valo's 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:30,919 Speaker 1: dead brother, her so called avenging Angel. What really happened 21 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: to him? And yes, there is a husband floating around 22 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: in the background. He's dead. He was shot dead in 23 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: front of Laurie Valo. How do I know who was 24 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: holding the gun? Oh? Yes, And there's another dead body 25 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: that would be of an earlier husband, Joseph Ryan. His 26 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: body was largely decomposing before he was found, so we're 27 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: not really exactly sure what happened to him. All that said, 28 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace and this is Crime Stories. Thank 29 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in 30 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. You may need to sit down 31 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: for this or possibly lay down. Take a listen to 32 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: our franc A KT. New details in the case of 33 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: Lorie Valo day Bell and her husband at Chad day Bell. 34 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: Her attorneys filed several new documents in Fremont County this week, 35 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: including one with information about where she says she was 36 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: when her children died. Attorneys for Lorie Valo day Bell 37 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: filed several new documents in Fremont County, including one that 38 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: gives an alibi for where Laurie was when the murders happened. 39 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: Valo day Belle is charged with first degree murder, conspiracy 40 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: to commit murder, and grand theft in the deaths of 41 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: her children, JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan. She's also charged 42 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: in connection with the death of her fourth husband, Charles Valo, 43 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: and in the death of Tammy day Bell. Tammy was 44 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: Chad day Belle's wife. She died just weeks before he 45 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: married Laurie. Wow, that's convenient how that whole thing worked out. 46 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: If I turn up dead in my bed and my 47 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: husband rushes out and remarries Jackie, get him prosecuted. Okay, 48 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: what if I'm the bride, Well if you're in the bride, well, okay, 49 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: I'll come back from the dead and haut both of you. 50 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: But what did I just hear? Alibi called mom? Laurie 51 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: Valo has an alibi for the time of them, aren't really? 52 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear this. Take listen to our 53 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: physic KTVB. Lorie Valo Dayvill's attorneys filed a notice of 54 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: alibi claim. In that document, they say Valo day Belle 55 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: was in her Rexburg apartment when JJ Entiley died. They 56 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: were last seen in September of twenty nineteen. Their remains 57 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: were found in June of twenty twenty, buried on Chad 58 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: Dayville's Idaho property. It's still unclear when and how they 59 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: actually died. New documents now claimed the children died inside 60 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: her brother Alex cox is nearby apartment in Rexburg. It 61 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: also claims Vala was in Hawaii in October of twenty 62 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: nineteen with her niece Melanie Boudreau, and a woman by 63 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: the name of Audrey Baratio, when Jad's wife Tammy died 64 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: in their home in Stalem, Idaho, Okay. There's the alibis 65 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: joining me an all star panel to make sense the evidence. 66 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: We are just learning. But first I want to go 67 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: out to special guests. Nate Eating, the news director East 68 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: Idaho News dot com. You can find them on Twitter 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: at Nate News now on Insta at Nate dot Eating. Nadine, 70 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. The first time I 71 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: believe I ever saw you, it was your hand and 72 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: you had a recorder and you were running along and 73 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: keeping up with Cultmam Laurie Valo in Hawaii asking her 74 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: questions about her children. You ferreted her out across the ocean. 75 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: You find her and you hound her with questions as 76 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: you should have because they were dead. They were dead 77 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: and you were on the trail. Okay alibi? So is 78 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: this Am I understanding that the alibi is, oh, I 79 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: was an apartment four B when they my children were killed. 80 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: An apartment for d that's the alibi. Yeah, pretty much. 81 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: They lived at the same apartment complex. And she's saying 82 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: I was in my apartment, the kids were in Alex's apartment, who, 83 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: by the way, is dead, her brother. And she says 84 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: when Tammy died, she was in Hawaii. So that's her alibi. 85 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: Nte Eton, you're burying the lead and you are a 86 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: veteran news guy. She was in Hawaii getting ready for 87 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: her wedding, right to Tammy Daviel's husband. Well, correct, yeah, 88 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: and Chad her that husband was at the house in 89 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: Idaho when Tammy died. So why was Lorie Valo in Hawaii? 90 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: May I ask? Well, she says she was there with 91 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: a friend. We don't know. So what we do know 92 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: is that the allaby Dave after this was filed, Nancy 93 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: and said that sufficient evidence exists that will show Laurie 94 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: and her boyfriend intended for those kids and her boyfriend's 95 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: like to die and that they affirmanently, affirmatively acted to 96 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: make those deaths happen. You know, Nate, I hardly even 97 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: know where to start. I'm always drawn back to their 98 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: wacky cult beliefs. Now, I understand that they their cult 99 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: beliefs he was the prophet included only a certain number 100 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: of people getting to go to heaven. Was it like 101 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and fourteen thousand or one hundred and forty thousand? 102 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: Is that right? One of those numbers, there was one 103 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: hundred and forty four thousand, and that Laurie and Chad 104 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: would lead in the second coming of Jesus Christ. Okay, 105 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: I try not to throw his name around if I 106 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: don't have to. But that said, that was a reprimand 107 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: to you, Nate eight. But Jack, I guess you and 108 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: are out. Yeah, because if there's only one hundred and 109 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: forty four thous some people that are going to make 110 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: it into Heaven from the beginning of time, Okay, I'll 111 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: speak for myself. I'm out. No matter how hard I try, 112 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to make that cut. But not only that, 113 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: they also believe that people became zombies and I'm not kidding, 114 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: and that once they became zombie is the only way 115 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: that you could save their immortal soul is to kill 116 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: their earthly body, including her children. Is that right, Nate Eten? Yeah, 117 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: they believe that both of the children became possessed by 118 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: these zombies. And remember Charles Valo, her fourth husband, also 119 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: became possessed by a zombie called ned Schneider. She was 120 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: telling people that that Charles is no longer Charles, He's 121 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: now a zombie. She said, jj became a zombie, told 122 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: her close friends because he was climbing up on the 123 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: counters and he knocked down a picture of Jesus Christ 124 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: from the fridge, and that because of that, she said, 125 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 1: he was a zombie and needed to be taken care of. Okay, 126 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: before I go prancing down the garden path, they're crazy beliefs. 127 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: Do they title themselves as fdls. No, this would be 128 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: completely separate. They're not FLDS. They're not into polygamy as 129 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: far as we know. Okay, wait, did they claim they 130 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: were FLDS. No, No they did not, because I bet 131 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: they're spinning on their here to be even remotely connected 132 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: to Lorie Valor and Chad day Bell. Yeah, they said that. 133 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: They called themselves the Church of the firstborn. Okay, what 134 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: does that mean? Does this have suddenly to do with 135 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: a passover? Were the firstborn of every family? The son 136 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: was killed? No? I well, I honestly don't know all 137 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: of the deep religious beliefs Nancy. But if you read 138 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: through Chad day Bel's books, which I'm sure you want 139 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: to do, do I have to? There's there's multiple writing 140 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: that he believed he truly was chosen. Yeah, he shows 141 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: them for a grand jury indictment. That's what he was 142 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: chosen for. Okay, guys, you're hearing Nate Eton, the news 143 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: director East News dot Com. The trial is coming up first, Nate, 144 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: who it's a skunk that filed a speedy Laurie will not. 145 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: Laurie refuses to waive her right to a speedy trial. 146 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: She wants to go before a jury. She believes she 147 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: will be walking out of the courthouse a free woman 148 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: in just a few weeks. Chad has waived his right 149 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: to a speedy trials. The judge has severed the cases. 150 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: That's fairly new. These two are going to be held 151 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: together before a jury. Nate Eton, did I not tell 152 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: you the cases would be severed? You called it? You 153 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: called it? I mean, you know, but I can't take 154 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: a lot of credit for it. I can put the 155 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: credit to the US Supreme Court with me. David Leroy, 156 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: attorney at law in Idaho, former Idaho Attorney General, former 157 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: Idaho Lieutenant Government, former prosecutor. You can find him at 158 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: d Leroy dot com. David, thank you for being with us. 159 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the law nobody can really fight with. 160 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: If there are two co defendants and they're both going 161 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: to face the death penalty, and if anywhere in the 162 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: mix there is an interlocking statement. In other words, she 163 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: says he did it and he says she did it, 164 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: then you really need to sever that because it's the 165 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: sixth Amendment issue. Because if I say Jackie did it, 166 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: and Jackie says Nancy did it. But what if I 167 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: don't take the stand and she is claiming I said X, Y, 168 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: and Z, that no one will have a right to 169 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: cross examine me, which is a right guaranteed on the Constitution. 170 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: So when you have interlocking statements like that, the best 171 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: thing to do is sever the cases and try them separately. 172 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: It's law as old as the Hills. Leroy absolutely right. 173 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: Nancy and well said, on the other hand, We've always 174 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: had a push pull in this case too, and that 175 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: Chad's lawyer has consistently said that he's not ready for trial, 176 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: and Laurie's people have we wish to go forward fairly swiftly. 177 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: So that also was an additional pressure on the judge 178 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: and suffering these cases. Yet, now, as we've just had 179 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: an information dump of some three to five thousand pages 180 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: of material and hours of tape, Laurie's lawyers are having 181 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: a hearing on a motion in lemony to preclude the 182 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: use of certain evidence to the prosecutor because it's late discovered. 183 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: Whoa wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Nate, 184 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: when's the trial date? Laurie goes to trial April third. 185 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: When did they get the information? They received it just 186 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: here in the last few days. Well, right when I 187 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: believe the motion alemony was filed just four or five 188 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: days ago. When was it dada dump around the thirteenth 189 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: or fourteenth of this month? Oh okay, well, you know 190 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: what that's time under the statute. If the trial is 191 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: April to third, when I would try felonies, of course 192 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: I would get the information, all the information to the 193 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: defense as soon as I could do it. But under 194 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: the statute, I think it's two weeks. It may vary 195 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: in other jurisdictions, but thirteenth and they got the information 196 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: on the thirteenth. By the twenty seventh, it's time for trial. 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And 213 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: what I say, the state has to hand over information. 214 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean any new witnesses in some jurisdictions, witness statements 215 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: if it's a DP death penalty, yes, witness statements, scientific 216 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: evidence such as anything the crime lab analyzed. If there 217 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: is any other information that could be exculpatory under Brady v. Maryland, 218 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: in other words, that might prove the innocence of the defendants, 219 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: you have to hand that over. But I imagine the 220 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: state handed this over just in the deadline. So if 221 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: they want a delay, they lose their right to a 222 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: speedy trial. Agree, disagreed, David Leroy. Oh, there's an argument 223 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: here about whether they meet the deadline. The judge said 224 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: before February twenty seventh. They state disclosed at four o'clock 225 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: in the afternoon on the twenty seventh, So that's part 226 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: of the argument. Oh excuse me, where's the end of 227 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: the business date at the courthouse? Is it not five o'clock? Well, 228 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: whether you're making five o'clock hearing or five o'clock cutoff 229 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: date is important. But the operative words here where the 230 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: judge said before February twenty seventh, and they file it 231 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: on the February twenty seventh. That's your argument. But the 232 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: real issue is the volume of this material. The defense 233 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: is alleging that four thousand, nine hundred thirty three pages 234 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: of material, forty eight audio files containing thirty hours of 235 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: interview is just too much, even that late in the 236 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: discovery cycle. Yeah, Cry, cry cry, They got it on time. 237 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: They're the ones that want the speedy trial, and they 238 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: will get it. You know. Oscar Wild said it best 239 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: be careful what you ask, my dear for you will 240 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: surely get it. Guys, That's not all that's happening. Alluded 241 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: to this earlier, a desperate tooth and claw fight to 242 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: get the death penalty off the table. Take a list 243 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: our friends at KTVB. Vellows attorneys are also asking the 244 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: judge to take the death penalty off the table. They 245 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: say Valo did not kill or conspire to kill her 246 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: children J. J and Highly or Tammy day Bell. Therefore, 247 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: they say she should not be eligible for the death penalty. 248 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: Vellows attorneys have also filed a motion to not raise 249 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: a mental health defense in her trial. The motion also says, 250 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: although still suffering from a mental illness. The defendant is 251 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,119 Speaker 1: taking an active role in her defense. She's not authorized 252 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: her attorneys to proceed with a mental health defense in 253 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: the guilt phase portion of the trial night Eton and Idaho. 254 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: Is there an insanity or mental health defense. There is not. 255 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: There is not an insanity defense. It's you're found incompetent 256 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: for trial, which that's happened twice. Now with Laurie. Your 257 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: case just gets put on hold. But the judge has 258 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: deemed her competent. Medical professionals have said she's competent, so 259 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: mental illness will not be brought into the main portion 260 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: of the trial. Now. Her attorneys have said when it 261 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: gets into if she has found guilty during the death 262 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: penalty sentencing phase, they will bring in mental health experts 263 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: to talk about her her mental conditions. Her mental health 264 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: is mitigation in sentencing. Okay, guys, you know what, speaking 265 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: of all this seems like some things never in the 266 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: take us into Shira Matsuzua. Attorneys for both Lori and 267 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: Chad are asking the judge to allow the couple and 268 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: their attorneys to meet in private. They're asking for them 269 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: to be able to talk in person and on the 270 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: phone about their options. However, they're asking that those conversations 271 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: not be recorded or used as evidence. Right, Aton, Why 272 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: don't these two just get a round and be done 273 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: with it? Sounds like Laurie Valo is itching to see 274 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: her what is it? Fourth husband? Not judging the prophet 275 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: Chad day Bel and he's like, eh, okay, Nith not really, 276 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like he wants to get with her. Yeah, 277 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: that's the interesting thing. It's actually her fifth husband, Nancy. 278 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, if these two were really you know, I 279 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: don't know, in love, would you not want to be 280 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: tried with your spouse? Would you not want to go 281 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: forth and have the trial that they could never see 282 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: each other again? If she found guilty and goes away 283 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: for life and then his trial, it will be later 284 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: this year or early next year. She's not going to 285 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: show up there, so do you clearly wants to move 286 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: forward with her trial. He's asking for more time and 287 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: he will get that time too. Rich Robertson joining us 288 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: Arizona based private investigator for Brandon Bordeaux, Boudreau and Larry 289 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: and kay Wood caught the grandparents of Tyle and JJ, 290 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: owner of R three Investigations. You can find them at 291 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 1: R three the letter are the number three investigations dot com. Now, 292 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: when I say the grandparents to Tylie and JJ, it's 293 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: really grandparents to JJ. Is that right, Rich Robertson, Yeah, 294 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: that's correct. You know it's a complicated family tree. But 295 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: Kay is Charles Valo's brother. But because Charles adopted JJ 296 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: from a who is the biological son of a sibling, 297 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: Kay also became the grandparents. Gotcha? So JJ's an adopted 298 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: child of Valet Charles free yep? Okay, did Lorie Valo 299 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: also adopt him? Correct? Yes? Okay? Well, when you hear 300 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: all of the discussion regarding Lorie Valo being insane, I 301 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: would say crazy more crazy like a fox? Well, you know, 302 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: I mean obviously from the outside your is it crazy 303 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: or is it manipulative? Um? You know it appears she 304 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: was going down a rabbit hole? Are these uh? Is 305 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: this insanity or deeply held religious beliefs? How? You know? 306 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: Where's where's the line? And all of us have been 307 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: sitting around for several years trying to find some rational 308 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: acts explanation for these irrational acts. I don't know that 309 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: we'll ever have a clear answer about that. You know, 310 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: it's interesting Karen starring joining menowned Psychologists, Joining us out 311 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: of Manhattan. You can find her at Karen Stark dot 312 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: com Karen with a C Karen. Every time a mother 313 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: kills her, how much less two of them? The public 314 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: people in general say she's crazy, because what mother would 315 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: kill their child? That is absolutely not true. Thank tot, Mom, 316 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony. She's not crazy. I'll tell you, Nancy, Matricide 317 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: is so hard for people to accept when a mother 318 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: kills a child. It goes against all the natural instincts. 319 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: I think about you and the twins, and that's the 320 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: connection that you have with your children. And I really 321 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: believe that that's what's behind everybody thinking that she must 322 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: have been crazy. But it isn't true. I mean, there's 323 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: too much that was intentional. She shows that she knows 324 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: the difference between right and wrong, and all of the talk, 325 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: the cold talk, I don't really buy it. I think 326 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: this woman knew exactly what she was doing. How convenient 327 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: to get rid of a husband and get rid of 328 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: the person who killed him, and then get rid of 329 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: her children and just start all over again. You know 330 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: what we're getting up all involved in the minetia of 331 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: the legal maneuverings and what's happening. It's a little bit 332 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: of inside baseball. Let's bring it all home. Okay, I'm 333 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: going out of order. Jack. Let's go to cut forty eight. 334 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: This is what this trial is all about. While you 335 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: were in that area, did you have a chance to 336 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: further observe art excavate that area you referred to as 337 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: the pet cemetery. Yes, okay, what did you observe? I 338 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: had been away from that area, but when I returned 339 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: to that area, they had already dug down and located 340 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: well what would appeared to be a mass of burnt 341 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: flesh and charred bone. Saw that was left of tying 342 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: the beautiful teen girl, a mass burnt flesh and charred 343 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: bone to you, Nate Eton, Let's be more specific. While 344 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: apparently JJ was handled a little more reverently after his murder, 345 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: this little boy, just seven years old, his sister, Tylely 346 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: was treated in the worst way. Describe the condition of 347 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: her body. Unfortunately, there wasn't much of her body left. 348 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: It was burned, There were charred remains. The investigators were 349 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: on the ground with tools, sifting through dirt looking for 350 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: any sign of her, and they found a few pieces 351 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: of flesh and a couple of bones, and that was it. 352 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: How would that happen? Though? I don't get it? Joining 353 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: me Doctor Michelle Dupree, forensic pathologist, medical examiner and Lucky 354 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: for Me, former detective and author the Homicide Investigation Field 355 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: Guide as well as Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide, which 356 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: makes her perfect for today. You can find her at 357 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: d Michelle Dupree MD dot com. Doctor Dupree. What does 358 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: that mean? A mass of burnt flesh and charred bone? Nancy? 359 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: It means that there was a very hot fire, and 360 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: it means that there is not very much left of 361 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: this person. It probably had some incendiary substance in order 362 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: to get it that hot and basically do destroy all 363 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: signs of this person. Isn't it true, Nate Eton, that 364 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: some of her remains were in a bucket? Yeah, that's 365 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: the investigators were transported her that way, and there was 366 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: a bucket out there at the scene, and you know, 367 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: you may we're called it. We talked about the neighbor 368 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: who saw a bonfire burning out there, a big bonfire 369 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: for days, and that you know, that's not too abnormal 370 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: for our part of the country. It was fall so 371 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: people burned leaves, they burned debris, and so this neighbor 372 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: didn't think much of it until you know the tragic 373 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: discovery of these bodies. You're giving me a horrible flashback 374 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: the Stephen Avery case, who became a media darling with 375 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: the dropping a special I hate to even call it 376 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: an investigation making a murderer. The case of Teresa Hallback, 377 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: a young photographer who was last known to be at 378 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: Stephen Avery's home. At his request to take photos of 379 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: an automobile to go in the Auto Trader magazine, he 380 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: stirred a bonfire in his backyard. For days, friends and 381 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: relatives saw him doing it. The studs offered Daisy flint 382 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: as jeans or found there most of her body burned 383 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: beyond recognition. Just in this case, charred bones and a 384 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: bucket of flesh. A bucket of flesh, A bucket of flesh. 385 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: That is what has left of Tyley and Chad day 386 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: Bell's back yard. But what about little JJ, what about him? 387 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: Listen to this? The emmy grabbed a small sharp instrument 388 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: and cut down the middle of the black plastic. Okay, 389 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: all right, and what did you observe? I observed a 390 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: small child in red pajamas, red pajama shirt, red pajama pants, 391 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: black socks that had the words sketchers in orange across 392 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: the toe. Also observed a light and blue blanket that 393 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: had been placed on top of him. Okay, detective, were 394 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: there when you observed what you pursued to be a child? 395 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: Where there was there anything that drew your attention? Yes? 396 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: And describe one of you described for the court what 397 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: drew your attention, the amount of duct tape that was 398 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: covering the body. Isn't it true? Nate Eton that according 399 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: to cultman Laurie Valo, she's admitting to JJ being in 400 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: her apartment the night that he's murdered, wearing red pajamas 401 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: and black socks, and she claims her brother, Alex Cox, 402 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: took him out of her apartment. Isn't that true? He's 403 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: wearing the same exact thing he's wearing when his body's found. Yeah. 404 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: A friend who was there with Laurie told investigators that 405 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: JJ was in their apartment that night, just hours before 406 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: police believed he died, that he wasn't in bred pajamas, 407 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,479 Speaker 1: and that Alex carried him out of the house away 408 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: from cultman Laurie Vallo. And how long was it until 409 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: he was reported missing? He was not That was in September. 410 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: He was not reported missing when his grandparents called the police. 411 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: The investigation began in December, so that was three months. 412 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: But police believed that it was that within that twenty 413 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: four hour time period when they walked, when Alex walked 414 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: him out of the apartment, that he was then killed. 415 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: We still don't know how he was killed, but he 416 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: was killed and then taken over to Chad Dave Belle's 417 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: property and buried. And we know that Alex was there 418 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: because cell phone data. His phone was pinging there on 419 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: the property at that time. And Nancy, that's the same 420 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: day that Chad day Bell sent that text to his 421 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: wife who was at work, saying, I saw a raccoon 422 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: in the yard in the middle of the day. Don 423 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: had to bury him in the cemetery. You mean the 424 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: non internal creature raccane was in the yard in the 425 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: middle of the day, correct, Yeah, Okay, Well there's more 426 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: about the discovery a little JJ Valo's body. Take a 427 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: listen to Detective Raye Hermco. They remove some soil and 428 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: there was a once they removed some soil there was 429 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: a black what I can best describe as a black 430 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: plastic bag with a round object protruding through the dirt. Okay, 431 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: what did you observe the er team do after you 432 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: saw that? They dug a little bit more around the 433 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: round object, which appeared to me to be the crown 434 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: of a head protruding through the dirt. They used a 435 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: small sharp instrument to cut through the black plastic. It 436 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: was a white plastic underneath the black plastic, and they 437 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: also used the white instrument to cut through the white plastic. Okay, 438 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: and what did you observe when they did that? I 439 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: observed what looked to be brown human here. It was 440 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: JJ's head. That's what they're talking about. And isn't true 441 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: Nate eating that during this time when authorities investigators were 442 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: there digging up the children's bodies on Chad day Belle's 443 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: property in his so called pet cemetery, that Laurie Valo 444 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: called him, they had a phone call. I don't know 445 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: who called who, And the first question was did they 446 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: find anything not like what the cops searcher? I mean, 447 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: if the cops came into our house and I called 448 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: my husband, he was saying, why are the cops there, Well, 449 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: what's happening? But instead the question was did they find anything? Yeah, 450 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: Laurie was in jail. Chad made contact with her and 451 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: that call has been released, and he sounds quite concerned 452 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: and said the police are at the house. And she responded, 453 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: not where were the exact wording something like in the 454 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: house or in the yard, something along those lines of 455 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: and he said they're in the yard, and he sounds 456 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: somewhat upbeat. He sounds very concerned. That was the last 457 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: call they had with each other, because minutes later tat 458 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: Dave Belle was put in harm cuffs and taken to jail. 459 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: Rich Robertson is with US Arizona based private investigator for 460 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: Brandon Boudreau and Larry and Kay Woodcock from our three investigations. 461 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: Boudreau is related to called mom Laurie Valo by marriage. 462 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: He's married to one of Valows I think niece. Rich Robertson, 463 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: what if anything have you learned about Laurie Valo and 464 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: Chad day Bell during your investigations. Well, I got involved 465 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: in this thing shortly after in well in the fall 466 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, and as things were starting to develop. Charles, 467 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: of course was shot to death in July of twenty nineteen, 468 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: and there was a drive by shooting that targeted Brandon 469 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: Boudreau in October, and and so right around that time 470 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: we now know, is when both of the children apparently 471 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: were killed, and so everything was kind of happening at 472 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: that point. When I first met with with Brandon, he 473 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: was telling me wild stories about Marie Vallo and relationship 474 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: with U Chad day Bell and the group in Idaho 475 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: that was kind of the Students Day Group, how this 476 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: had been evolving over time, how his wife got sucked 477 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: into it by her aunt Lourie Um. So there was 478 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of activity occurring in that 479 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen time period, and leading up to it, all 480 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: of the all of the talk of end times and 481 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: showsen and zombies and all that stuff was was was 482 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: definitely at a at a peak right around then. Guys, 483 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: I want to take a list of our cut start 484 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: d as in Delta, our friends at kat VB September 485 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: twenty second, the last time JJ Vaalo was seen. Police 486 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: interviewed Melanie Gibb and her boyfriend David Warwick, who were 487 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: visiting Lorie that weekend. They told police Laurie said JJ 488 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: had turned into a zombie. The next morning, September twenty third, 489 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: between eight and nine am, Warwick didn't see JJ and 490 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: asked where he was. Burie stated he was acting out, 491 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: so quote Alex had come and taken JJ. GPS data 492 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: once again puts Alex on Chad's property that day from 493 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: nine fifty five am until ten to twelve am, paying 494 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: near the pond. All this evidence started coming to light 495 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: around the first part of June twenty twenty. Just days later, 496 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: June ninth, police searched Chad's property. They focused on sites 497 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: corresponding to the GPS from Alex's phone and the strange 498 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: text to Tammy. JJ and Highly's bodies were found in 499 00:32:53,560 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: those areas, near the pond and fire pit. Time stories 500 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace straight back out to veterans trial lawyer 501 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: David Leroy, attorney at law in Idaho. David, that is 502 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: not a defense. It's not like self defense or accident, 503 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: which you're both complete defenses under the law if they 504 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: can be proven in court. He's a zombie, so I 505 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: had to kill him. That's not going to work. That's 506 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: certainly won't try. And I am presuming that Laurie will 507 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: know nothing about nothing here. She may have innocently been 508 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: involved in some communications, but her alibi defense, as weak 509 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: as it is, will probably be presented the over and 510 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: over and over. But I mean, the hard reality is 511 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: that even if you choose to believe what she's saying, 512 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: you would have to believe that JJ quote acted out 513 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: and accidentally knocked over a photograph of Christ, that she 514 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: declared he's a zombie. Those are her words to two witnesses, 515 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: and that she had her brother, her so called by 516 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: her own words, avenging Angel, take JJ seven years old 517 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: away and what she never saw him again. Months passes, 518 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: she never reports him missing and then calls her new 519 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: prophet husband on the phone and says, Hey, are they 520 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: searching in the yard or the house? Have they found anything? Well, 521 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: I've silence that occurred between September and December is extremely 522 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: eloquent and will mean quite a bit to a jury 523 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: that seems. Silence that drove need Eaton to Hawaii with 524 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: his recorder in Tammy's face really is what the case 525 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: is all about in many respects. I mean, for Pete's sake, 526 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, if the children don't come to the car, 527 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: at three fifteen, I think that they've obviously been hidden 528 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: at for Pete's sake, and start trying to call them 529 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: on their cell phones. But months go by and she can't. 530 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: She hasn't seen her child, and now she wants me 531 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: to believe that she had nothing to do with the 532 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: child's murder the night he was taken from her home. 533 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: That's her best case story. Karen Stark and Nancy, we 534 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: don't we know. I mean, this just doesn't make sense. Really, 535 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: your child is missing for that long? Is he visiting 536 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: with the zombie? I mean that is not a logical 537 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: thing and it's not emotional. You want to know where 538 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: your children are. And I don't fight for a second 539 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: that she believed he was safe with her brother, or 540 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: she absolutely knew that something was wrong and knew where 541 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: the burials were as well. Dotnchel Dupree jumping off what 542 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: Karen Stark just said. I want to talk to you. 543 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: And this became so critical. As you and I said 544 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 1: in our one hour one after Maggie and Paul Murdog 545 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: were found murdered, we said, we need to establish time 546 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: of death because that is going to be the entire case. 547 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: The time of death could you do it through coagulated blood? 548 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: Could you do it through extrinsic evidence such as cell 549 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: phone data? And that's how it was done through a 550 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: cell phone video that day. So medical examiners like yourself 551 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 1: look not only at the body, but at extrinsic evidence 552 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: such as the last post on social the last text, 553 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: the last video, the last picture, the last group chat. 554 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: So here, doctor Michelle Dupre, based on the bodies themselves, 555 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: of course, we'll have to talk about just Jajason's tile. 556 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: These body has been disseminated and burned into a bucket 557 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: of fat, doctor Dupre. How can we or can we 558 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: date the time of death all of those things that 559 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: you were saying, Nancy, We have to estimate the time 560 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: of death, and it depends on so many different variables. 561 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: But certainly we look at the surroundings of where the 562 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: body is found to see if there are anything that 563 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: we call seeing markers. You know, what would be the 564 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: range of time as far as pen pointing it to 565 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: an exact date in an exact hour. That may be impossible, 566 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: certainly as time passes, but we can get a very 567 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: good estimate. And as you said, finding that time is 568 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: so important because that places that child with a particular 569 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,919 Speaker 1: person or in a particular place at that time of death. Hey, 570 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: Nate Eat in question? You Nate eating on the story 571 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: from the beginning, news director East Idaho News dot Com 572 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: the cell phone payings Lorie Valo's brother or Alex Cox. 573 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: Do they follow him the night that JJ is taken 574 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: out of the apartment? Yeah, they do. And what's interesting 575 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 1: is that it shows that he was in Lorie's apartment 576 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: lates and then he was in his apartment, and then 577 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: hours later he was at had And there was no 578 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: other history as far as investigators could find, that showed 579 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: him at Laurie's apartment that late, or that showed him 580 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: out at Chad Dave Bell's property. They even know that 581 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: after he spent several hours at Chad Dave Bell's property, 582 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: he went to a taco restaurant. He went and got 583 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: tacos and then went to his house. So they're able 584 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: to track his movements during that time. And what a 585 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: coincidence around this time's band Chad Dave Bell's wife Tammy 586 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: just dies in her sleep. Take a listen to arcot 587 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: September twenty three. This is the last time anyone reported 588 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: seeing the children, JJ and Tyley at school in Rexburg, Idaho, 589 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: but nobody reported them missing until about two months later. 590 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: So let's talk about Chad Dave Bell's wife, Tammy. Her 591 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: dad tells me she was alive and well. On October fourth, 592 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: she drove down from Rexburg to visit her parents in Springville, Utah. 593 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: But two weeks later, on October nineteenth, the parent it's 594 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: got a call from Chad saying Tammy went to bed 595 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,479 Speaker 1: coughing and never woke up. At the time, doctors said 596 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: she died from natural causes at the age of forty nine. 597 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: Natural causes? What natural causes that the only witnesses her 598 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: husband And isn't it true? Nate eight. Within two weeks 599 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: of Tammy's death, Chad day Bell flies to Hawaii to 600 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: marry Laurie Vallow in an outfit that she purchased on 601 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: her dead husband's credit card, where she had been searching 602 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: for beach wedding dresses, and lo and behold, two weeks 603 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: after Tammy's death, they are having a beach side wedding service. Yeah, 604 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: not only did she purchase the clothing but the rings. 605 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: Their wedding rings were looked for weeks before Tammy was 606 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: dead early October, she bought those same rings on Charles 607 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: Vallow's Amazon account, and it was family members of Charles 608 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: Vallow who ultimately got a hold of his computer and 609 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: logged in and saw that these rings been purchased. And 610 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: then in those wedding photos months later Chad and Maria 611 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: wearing those same wedding rings. No shame, No shame at all. 612 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: So to you Rich Robertson, private investigator, who has somehow 613 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: gotten dragged into this whole cult. Mom Laurie Valo prophet 614 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: Chad Daybill Saga, I really don't believe in coincidences when 615 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: it comes to criminal law and murder, much less quadruple murder. 616 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: So the children go missing, they're dead, they're buried out 617 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: at Chad day Belle's property, and then shortly thereafter, Tammy 618 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: Daybill quote dies in her sleep. Two weeks later, the 619 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: two of them are married. That's neatly planned a series 620 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: of events. Would you say, oh, it's those are just 621 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: some of the highlights, because there are certainly other things 622 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: that we're going on. I mean, in early August, even 623 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: a month or so before the kids disappeared, Laurie had 624 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: placed JJ's service dog Bailey, a little golden dudle that 625 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: he was very attached to, posted that dog for sale. 626 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,919 Speaker 1: That was in early August, and you know, a month 627 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: or so after Charles's death. So there's you know, a 628 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: variety of these kind of checkpoints along the way. Lorie 629 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: Valot places JJ's dog for sale in August, service dog. 630 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: These purchases on the Amazon account. The reason that Kay 631 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: Woodcock was able to monitor that, and I was working 632 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: with her on this, is that Charles Valle was very 633 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: worried about his own personal safety and had given his 634 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: sister all of his passwords and logins for his various 635 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: accounts before he died. He'd even changed an insurance policy 636 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: to make his sister Kay the beneficiary so that she 637 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: could care for JJ. And and so he was he 638 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: was very worried about his own personal safety for months 639 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 1: leading up to this. And uh, and that was certainly 640 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: appression and it came true. So these these things were 641 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: happening when you were watching as it was happening that 642 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: some of these things on the Amazon accounts, some of 643 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: these purchases were going to Rexburg. But then they these 644 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: addresses started showing up in Hawaii, and that's how I 645 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: think that ultimately, when law enforcement got involved, able to 646 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: direct him pretty quickly to this address in Hawaii because 647 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: some of the Amazon purchasers were being shipped their sandals, 648 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: the wedding dress, the wedding dress, and as Nate said, 649 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: the wedding rings. I believe it was ten days or 650 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,399 Speaker 1: so before Tammy died that you know, when she made 651 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: that purchase. She purchased a These were green amethyst rings. 652 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: She purchased two of them, the man's ring and a 653 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: woman's ring, but then she returned the man's ring to 654 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: get a different size and had shot away. You know, 655 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: you're just a fountain of information, Hey, Jackie. Thought of 656 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: two other things. One that Laurie Valo places to children's items, 657 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: all their belongings in storage getting ready for the trip 658 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: to Hawaii. Was that before or after their death? Nate 659 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,959 Speaker 1: eighten that was after their death, well, she was still 660 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: looking for them. That was in early October. Police believe 661 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: that JJ died early September and Tyley early September. JJ 662 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: mid September. And then we had the video that showed 663 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: she visited the storage unit several times, sometimes with Chad. 664 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: There's even the one video where he reached over and 665 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: appears to touch her bud as they're walking out of 666 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 1: the unit. Yeah, he did, he patted it. We all 667 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: saw it on the video. That's Jackie's second entry. So 668 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: let me ask you this and Nate Eten, we were 669 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: hearing from your Sister station about the trip that Tammy 670 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: day Bell took to visit her relatives. Isn't it true 671 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,479 Speaker 1: that she took this trip at Chad Daviel's urging because 672 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: he had a premonition that she's going to die in 673 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,240 Speaker 1: a car crash or something like that. Yeah, she didn't 674 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: know that at the time. He was encouraging her to 675 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: go see her family. Even said that her a dead 676 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: relative had appeared to him and said, Tammy needs to 677 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: go see her parents and her siblings. And Tammy, it's 678 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: quite a drive, you know, five to six hour drive. 679 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: She rarely did it alone, but he really encouraged her 680 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: to go see the parents, and he had apparently told 681 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: others that she was going to die in a car crash. Well, 682 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: she made the trip, spent one night, turned around, and 683 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: came home, didn't die in the crash, And we now 684 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: later learned that Chad was maybe hoping she would die 685 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: on that trip or something. But when she didn't, of course, 686 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: a week later she was dead. Okay, hold on just 687 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: a moment, you know, David Leroy, I guess also a 688 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: need a psychologist on this. I'm always suspicious when people 689 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: have premonitions and then they come true, including a death. 690 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: Like Scott Peterson told his mistress Amber Fry that this 691 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,720 Speaker 1: Christmas would be his first as a widow after losing 692 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: his wife. And guess what, she died on Christmas Eve 693 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: because he killed her. And then we can't forget the 694 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: dream that O. J. Simpson had about the death of 695 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: his beautiful wife, long suffering Nicole Brown. You know the dreams, 696 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: the premonitions, And now we've got Chad day Bell the 697 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,280 Speaker 1: prophet having a premonition his wife would die in whoops, 698 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: there she goes often to the sunset? What about it? 699 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: Lee Roy? Oh, I'm not sure how much of that 700 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: will make it into evidence. So I guarantee you the 701 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: premonition is going to come into evidence. The musings of 702 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: that nature are going to be a fairly collateral, but 703 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,359 Speaker 1: obviously something suspicious and something to talk about. I take 704 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: it you've tried a lot of murder cases, haven't you. 705 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: Lee Roy, Chad's a problem. I'll tell you what a 706 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: jury is going to love to hear that. Chad day 707 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: Bell had a premonition that Tammy was going to die, 708 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:03,280 Speaker 1: and then amazingly she did. Karen start, the premonitions, the dreams, 709 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: what do you make of that? I'm not saying they 710 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: don't happen, But when your wife then dies next to 711 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: you in bed, that casts a little pale Paul on 712 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,760 Speaker 1: the premonition. It's very suspicious. And I really love analyzing 713 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: people's dreams. It's fascinating, especially when they're in conjunction with 714 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: the murder case. Karen start exactly when it's that kind 715 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: of a premonition, that's highly suspect. Oh, I've got to 716 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: ask one more question. Who knows the answer this? I'm 717 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: guessing Leroy or Nate Eton. Is it true there's a 718 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: bill on the Governor's desk in Idaho to reinstate the 719 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: firing squad. We would not be reinstating at here in Idaho. 720 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: Excuse me, correction, adopting the firing squad. So is it 721 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,479 Speaker 1: true that there is a bill asking for the death 722 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 1: by firing squad versus lethal injection? Is that true? So? 723 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,800 Speaker 1: Bill started in our House of Representatives to replace lethal 724 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: injection with the firing squad. It passed the House, as 725 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,800 Speaker 1: the Senate, it's sitting on the Governor's desk for possible 726 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,839 Speaker 1: signature in the next few days. Okay, well that's going 727 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 1: to hurt. Hey, nasty. We have some breaking news here. 728 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 1: As we've been talking, Judge Boyce has just struck down 729 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: the death penalty and Laurie's case again. He has taken 730 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: death penalty off the table and granted the motion by 731 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,879 Speaker 1: her defense attorneys. It's a long ruling, but basically he's 732 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: saying that due to evidence being turned over so late 733 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,439 Speaker 1: some discovery issues, the defense team would not have enough 734 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: time to adequately go through all of this evidence as 735 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: they work to preserve her life. That could of course 736 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,319 Speaker 1: present all sorts of issues on appeal. And there's much 737 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: more to his ruling, but just big news here. Death 738 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 1: penalty off the table. She could still face and does 739 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: still face life in prison without the possibility of parole 740 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: as she's found guilty when this goes to trial in 741 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: just a few days. Wait wait, as justice so fault. Goodbye, 742 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,160 Speaker 1: friend m