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Speaker 1: Radio Network along sign Frankie Stanfell. I am Greg Sauceman. Greggy.
Speaker 1: What's going on man? Not much? Greggy? Pretty excited? Um.
Speaker 1: You know someone I was talking to you about downstairs.
Speaker 1: Getting me excited, not only as a Fantasy fan but
Speaker 1: as a Jet fan of course, is the comments coming
Speaker 1: out from Josh Norman about Sam Donald. I thought that
Speaker 1: was great yesterday him talking of Sam Donald playing like
Speaker 1: a veteran making all the great decisions already in training camp.
Speaker 1: That's great to read. And then yesterday I caught up
Speaker 1: on hard Knocks. I didn't catch the first episode last week,
Speaker 1: and then I watched both of them last night. Stood
Speaker 1: up entirely too late, but it was well worth it.
Speaker 1: A sag. Listen, I love that. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I did not watch Hard Knocks last night
Speaker 1: yet still the first episode I did. Bless him, list him,
Speaker 1: Davis Landry, I got it or laundry? Um, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: I I like the first episode. I gotta be honest
Speaker 1: with you. It's what kind of boring they Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to like it, but I find myself every single
Speaker 1: time I watched, no matter what time of day, I
Speaker 1: wind it like falling asleep for part of it, and
Speaker 1: I had to rewind it every time. I watched every
Speaker 1: season and listen to a lot of it was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I come home from work before Judy gets
Speaker 1: home and the perfect time to watch, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're probably tired, it was. It was a long day,
Speaker 1: of course, so that's one of the problems. And then
Speaker 1: I watched it. So the first episode I watched it
Speaker 1: when I woke up on like Umi st anymore. I
Speaker 1: woke up and it was before our draft. So I
Speaker 1: watched Hard Knocks. I find myself. I guess I wasn't
Speaker 1: falling asleep, but I was like sitting on my phone
Speaker 1: like on Twitter. Really, it just it just doesn't captivate,
Speaker 1: doesn't captivate me like Jarvis Landry speech did in that
Speaker 1: first episode, but like not the whole show. I want
Speaker 1: to like it. I watched every year. I just I
Speaker 1: think it had the opposite effect on me. Actually, eleven
Speaker 1: PM I put on the first episode and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that was really good. I want to watch the second one.
Speaker 1: So I just ended up watching bold episodes and then
Speaker 1: I went to sleep after that. But it's pretty good man.
Speaker 1: And you know, while you know, you feel bad for
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson everything that he's going through the whole like
Speaker 1: him versus Todd Haley thing like you would think, all right,
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson, you're one in thirty one in your last
Speaker 1: thirty two games, maybe you should take some advice from
Speaker 1: Todd Haley. You know, don't be don't try to be
Speaker 1: bigger than you are. I mean, Todd Haley just came
Speaker 1: from the Steelers. He knows what a successful organization he
Speaker 1: is when he's come from successful organizations in the past,
Speaker 1: so he knows what works. Greg Williams also the coach
Speaker 1: of the Chiefs and was maniacal and ran a program
Speaker 1: into the ground and they he was he was crazy. Man,
Speaker 1: That dude was wild. And Casey oh yeah, and he
Speaker 1: pretty much got driven out of the Steelers because they
Speaker 1: didn't like him there either. But look, say what you
Speaker 1: want to I'm not disputing that at all. But in
Speaker 1: terms of football acumen, yeah, he had Antonio Brown and
Speaker 1: Levy on Bell, but he got the he got the
Speaker 1: most out of those guys. You're in a year out,
Speaker 1: all right, Um, on the program today, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: into running back rankings, your tears, your debate, your sleepers,
Speaker 1: your bus, all that good stuff we did without the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks yesterday. If enjoyed the program, make sure you check
Speaker 1: that out. Frankie on Monday also came out with a
Speaker 1: brand new white Boards series video. Pick number five, Yes,
Speaker 1: pick number five. We pick number three is up next? Correct,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just pick eight, Okay, So the little change
Speaker 1: of plans there, Pick eight will come up next. Pick
Speaker 1: three on the way later this week, we can assume, sir. Okay. Um.
Speaker 1: So with that all being said, I want to get
Speaker 1: into the running backs. Before we do. We begin with
Speaker 1: the stat of the debt, and I'm pretty excited about
Speaker 1: this one. Greggy. I want to make this clear that
Speaker 1: Frank goes to me earlier, I have a great stat
Speaker 1: of the day, like all right, awesome, what is it?
Speaker 1: And then he goes, well, it's about the Vikings, all right, cool?
Speaker 1: Well what is it? Oh, you have to say just
Speaker 1: for the show? Why are you? It's a teaser off
Speaker 1: their It's literally just a teaser for me, all right,
Speaker 1: you know, like to tease your best friends a little bit.
Speaker 1: By the way she teasers for first playoff game tonight,
Speaker 1: how's that going. Did you guys finish? Oh? Well, interdivision?
Speaker 1: Inter division? So yeah, with the one seed on so
Speaker 1: the playoffs start tonight, would pay the bow socks of
Speaker 1: this kickball. I would say that we were the one
Speaker 1: seed on our side of the bracket. Um, it's not
Speaker 1: I'll be easy. And then of the confidence and then
Speaker 1: next week it really begins. I think lots of lots
Speaker 1: of bunts being dropped by Greggy tonight. Yeah, they expected
Speaker 1: to after the first two I dropped last time. They
Speaker 1: were like's gonna bunt? And like yeah, and did you
Speaker 1: still successfully bunt for a hit. Yeah, that's embarrassing for them.
Speaker 1: It's gonna putting the right spot. Man. Wait, so if
Speaker 1: you bunt and then they know what's coming, what what's
Speaker 1: your counter to that? Do you just like pop it
Speaker 1: over the third base and then I'm too nervous to
Speaker 1: do that because I think I'll pop it up if
Speaker 1: I try to do that. So in kickball and the league,
Speaker 1: we plan that you have your pictures man, like right here,
Speaker 1: let's say you have your pictures mound right in the middle,
Speaker 1: and then on the sides, like right right to the
Speaker 1: right side and to the left side, there's cones and
Speaker 1: you can't and the third basement or the let's say
Speaker 1: first basement approaching in can't go past those cones after
Speaker 1: the ball is hit. Why does mean? Because if the
Speaker 1: possible to a bunt for a hit, and it also
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a thing anyway, Greg, Well, it's also impossible
Speaker 1: to do some other things. All right, Greg, I trust,
Speaker 1: I trust you and your your kickball, your kickball skill
Speaker 1: out the day tomorrow will be my my batting line tomorrow.
Speaker 1: There you go, Frank. So, after Dalvin Cook's injury, starting
Speaker 1: in week five, Latin Murray and Jerick McKinnon combined for
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty two carries in fifty six receptions
Speaker 1: in twelve games. That's twenty eight and a half carries
Speaker 1: four point six receptions per game combined between Lithavias Murray
Speaker 1: and Jerk McKinnon per game last year for the Vikings offense.
Speaker 1: And I know they don't have Pat Sherber anymore, but
Speaker 1: um we still, you know, we we like a lot
Speaker 1: of the pieces that are still involved with this Vikings offense.
Speaker 1: And I just think this is very reassuring for Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook owners, for people who you know, are expecting to
Speaker 1: draft him. Even Latavious Murray's involved, even if he gets
Speaker 1: eight to ten touches per game. I mean, these these
Speaker 1: guys were combining for over thirty two touches a game, Greg,
Speaker 1: So I just thought that was insane for only in
Speaker 1: twelve games carries fifty six receptions. What is their offensive
Speaker 1: line rank rank? Well, that's not very good, which I
Speaker 1: also brought up to you downstairs. Um, they lost a
Speaker 1: few pieces on the offensive line. PFF currently ranks him
Speaker 1: as the offensive line in football, which among the top
Speaker 1: ten running backs being drafted right now, they are the
Speaker 1: lowest projected offensive line um, so that's not great. But
Speaker 1: last year at season's end, they ranked twenty swond so
Speaker 1: I think this is more of you know, even if
Speaker 1: Latavius Murray and Jerk McKinnon weren't all that efficient, because
Speaker 1: I don't think they were. That's part of the reason
Speaker 1: why we've bashed Jack McKinnon here is because he's never
Speaker 1: really been an efficient running back. I think that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of volumes to go around here, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to continue to beat that drum in volume over efficiency.
Speaker 1: Even if the offensive line isn't great, I still do
Speaker 1: think Dalvin Cook is gonna be right there in line
Speaker 1: for twenty touch per game, maybe over twenty touches. Even
Speaker 1: if Lutevi's Murray gets his eight to ten per game,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. I think there's enough to
Speaker 1: go around for both. Okay, we're gonna get more into
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook coming up in a moment, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: go through the top twenty four running backs on today's show,
Speaker 1: and to do that, we start with the number one
Speaker 1: overall pick, which, listen, we have said for a while
Speaker 1: it's Todd Gurley or it's Living on Bell, and we
Speaker 1: haven't really spent much time saying which one it should be.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you who should it be? Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley living on Bell. So this might be cop out,
Speaker 1: but I dude think that it's uh, it's format dependent,
Speaker 1: and I would take Todd Gurley in standard just based
Speaker 1: on you know, the touchdowns he had last year. And look,
Speaker 1: we're not going to project him for close to twenty
Speaker 1: touchdowns once again, but just based on the way that
Speaker 1: they used him. Eighteen rushing attempts from within the five
Speaker 1: that led all running backs last season. Of his team's
Speaker 1: rushing attempts within the five. That's also the highest percentage
Speaker 1: of any running back last season. Fifteen goal line carries
Speaker 1: also led all running backs last season. So in the
Speaker 1: non PPR format where touchdowns are so important, I lead
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley. But in any other format, half point, PPR
Speaker 1: or full point, I will go with Levian Bell. All Right,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's reasonable. Um, I probably agree.
Speaker 1: I probably agree. In an auction, I'm gonna talk more
Speaker 1: about auction strategy this week. I have my auction on Monday.
Speaker 1: Monday's show will be in all auction programs. We get
Speaker 1: excited for that. UM. In auction I have them priced
Speaker 1: the same number. I do think it's that close. I
Speaker 1: agree in the PPR and any sort of PPR, you
Speaker 1: have to go with lady on Bell. The receptions will
Speaker 1: be there more often, um in a standard I'm going
Speaker 1: with or non PBR should say I'm going to Tide
Speaker 1: Gurley for all the reasons you mentioned. We completely agree
Speaker 1: on that point. Yeah, and Levian Bell look as good
Speaker 1: as he is. He's never had more than nine rushing
Speaker 1: touchdowns in any single season. We all like Levian Bell
Speaker 1: a lot um. I think he's gonna be over four
Speaker 1: hundred touches again this year. Look, he was number one
Speaker 1: in snap share among running backs last year, number one
Speaker 1: in percentage of team carries plus targets, number one and
Speaker 1: carries overall. So I think Levian Bell and probably Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott are the best locks for one hundred plus touches
Speaker 1: this season. I think it's an easy slam dunk one
Speaker 1: and two for Todd Gurley and Levian Bell. Not much
Speaker 1: more to same in my opinion. Then you get to
Speaker 1: three and four, which also we know three and four
Speaker 1: are and somewhere David Johnson and Ezekie Elliott. But again,
Speaker 1: Frank we haven't exactly spent much of time discussing, well,
Speaker 1: who should go first? Are you gonna give me the
Speaker 1: same compound answer in a non PPR Ezekiel Elliott and
Speaker 1: the PPR half point, you go with David Johnson. So
Speaker 1: in not in non PPR and havelf PPR, I'll still
Speaker 1: take Ezekiel Elliott um because I just think overall, I
Speaker 1: think he has more upside than David Johnson. We saw
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago what David Johnson and do
Speaker 1: scored the twenty total touchdowns. But you know there's questions
Speaker 1: about that offense overall, whether it's Sam Bradford, whether it's
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen. The offensive line is not great there either.
Speaker 1: And you know, David Johnson, for what it's worth, looked
Speaker 1: very good in that first preseason game. Looked like vintage
Speaker 1: David Johnson. I don't think that I'm not one of
Speaker 1: these guys who's gonna push him outside the top four
Speaker 1: because you know some people are trying to get a
Speaker 1: little bit too sexy and push David Auson down the board.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. But in non PPR, just think, look,
Speaker 1: Zekel Ellett is the Cowboys offense. They've shown that once
Speaker 1: they get inside the red zone, they're just gonna feed, feed, feed.
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, he's gonna score. I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: to score double digit touchdowns. So in non PPR and
Speaker 1: even half I'll take Zekiel because I think that he
Speaker 1: can flirt with fifty plus receptions this year based on
Speaker 1: how many targets are available. Jason Witten gone, Des Bryant
Speaker 1: gone from this team, Alan Hearns and Michael Gallup, they'll
Speaker 1: do their thing, even Cole Beasley too, But they're talking
Speaker 1: up um Zekil like getting more receptions in this past game,
Speaker 1: and I do buy that. So non PPR and half
Speaker 1: point I have him three. In the full point PPR
Speaker 1: just because I think David Johnson has eight plus reception upside,
Speaker 1: I'll put him third. But typically that's how I'm gonna
Speaker 1: rank it. It's it's based on format. Once again, not
Speaker 1: to give you the compoun answer, but I completely agree
Speaker 1: with you. Um Again, the more I've read about this.
Speaker 1: Initially I had David Johnson ranked everywhere. Uh I should
Speaker 1: just say everywhere half point PDR and PPR ahead Ezekue Elliott.
Speaker 1: But the more I thought of that, the more I
Speaker 1: looked into it, You're right, Frankie, and that David Johnson
Speaker 1: is in an offense with a lot of unknowns, with
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator he's never had before, the quarterback he's
Speaker 1: never had before. The offense is simply changed. Ezekue Elliott hasn't.
Speaker 1: It's been the same offense as he came into the league.
Speaker 1: Was also really good about Ezekie Elliott. He's completely healthy
Speaker 1: and there's no distractions going on in Dallas. Like you
Speaker 1: mentioned those wide receivers that ultimately will step up for
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. That's great, but we know this team, this
Speaker 1: offense is gonna revolve around Elliott, and I'm while I'm
Speaker 1: sure that Cardinal's offense will rely around David Johnson. Um
Speaker 1: the questions, the questions are there, and as good as
Speaker 1: he looked in that first preseason game and as good
Speaker 1: as he's looked at practice, he's been injured each of
Speaker 1: the last two years and then the end of the
Speaker 1: year before injured. It's just there's a lot of injury
Speaker 1: history there, and some of it's flukey, obviously, but some
Speaker 1: of it's not. And I think that seeing the place
Speaker 1: that Ezekiel Elliott currently is in makes me feel more
Speaker 1: comfortable and safer taking him in both the non PPR
Speaker 1: and the half point PBR, and that's why I go
Speaker 1: with Elliott over Johnson in those formats. Yeah. Plus, David
Speaker 1: Johnson is a little bit older than we realize. He's
Speaker 1: twenty six years old. He had eight hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: six career carries at Northern Iowa. Zeke a little bit younger,
Speaker 1: has some youth on his side, and plus a row.
Speaker 1: I just think the you know, while people are poo
Speaker 1: pooing the Cowboys offense, I do think that it will
Speaker 1: it will be better than the Cardinals offense. The offensive
Speaker 1: line is clearly better, and I don't think the weapons
Speaker 1: are as bad as people have made it out to seem.
Speaker 1: So I think that's an easy one. Zeke. Three non PBR,
Speaker 1: HA PBR full point IGO with David Johnson has the
Speaker 1: A P plus reception up. All right, let's continue now.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because the next couple of picks have
Speaker 1: kind of the next two pictures in saney. I don't
Speaker 1: keep breaking down in two because but they've kind of
Speaker 1: sorted themselves out also over the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you so much agree with this.
Speaker 1: But it used to be a tear I thought of
Speaker 1: of four guys, and now I feel like that tears
Speaker 1: two guys, and it's Alvin Kamara and it's stake Kwon Barkley.
Speaker 1: Everything to me is the dust have settled here a
Speaker 1: bit with mark Ingram suspension with Stakelan Barkley. I know
Speaker 1: he's he's battling that hamstrings tweak. It doesn't seem overly serious.
Speaker 1: And in the EPR you're obviously I would think going
Speaker 1: Camara there um, but Barkley. In the non PPR people
Speaker 1: are feeling very comfortable with that. With all the noise
Speaker 1: talking about how good, how many carries Barkley should get
Speaker 1: Camara in half pint b BR versus Barkley, I think
Speaker 1: it's a debate. I'm gonna let Frank opine on that,
Speaker 1: but it certainly seems like five six in some orders
Speaker 1: Camara in Barkley. I think in both PPR formats the
Speaker 1: full point, in the half point, they're both right there,
Speaker 1: five and six. In my opinion. In non PPR, I've
Speaker 1: moved Camara down to really, in my opinion, the bottom
Speaker 1: of this here, which is within Kareem Hunt behind Melvin Gordon,
Speaker 1: just because I think those guys have more touchdown upside.
Speaker 1: And you know, look, Alvin Kamara scored the touchdowns last year,
Speaker 1: but based on his efficiency where he scored them on
Speaker 1: the field, you know he didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: carries from inside the five, inside the red zone. I
Speaker 1: guess he's gonna catch a ton of passes. That's why
Speaker 1: you know, in half point PPR, I still have him
Speaker 1: as my RB six, right behind Sea Kwon Barkley. Um
Speaker 1: in full point PPR, I think that they're interchangeable. I'm
Speaker 1: still gonna take se Kwon Barkley overall. So no, my
Speaker 1: number five over overall? Is he number five ahead of
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and he's number five running back? Is he
Speaker 1: number five overall? In a half point PPR and half
Speaker 1: point PPR, yes, not. In full point I would take
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown over Sa Kwan full point PPR. So when
Speaker 1: it comes to any sort of PPR, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: Camara over Barkley because I know that Barkley is is
Speaker 1: that trouble threat, being able to block me gonna run,
Speaker 1: and being able to catch and those wheel routes that
Speaker 1: he specialized in at Penn state. Um. I recognize that,
Speaker 1: like it's going to be there in the offense, but
Speaker 1: I have a lot of weapons with Evan Ingram and
Speaker 1: with Odell Beckum JG. You're going to read the uh
Speaker 1: the pet Schermer led running back numbers in the final
Speaker 1: twelve games once again? Would you like me to do that?
Speaker 1: If you'd like no, I don't want to. You go
Speaker 1: back and lit'en to it. I'll read it for you.
Speaker 1: Three and forty two carries and fifty six perceptions in
Speaker 1: the final twelve games over pet Schumer led Vikings offense
Speaker 1: last year with Latavius Murray and Jerk McKinnon. Just think
Speaker 1: about it. It's mouth watering upside for se Kwon Barker.
Speaker 1: I think he's one of a handful of running backs
Speaker 1: who can get three d and fifty plus touches this year.
Speaker 1: It's just that volume I'll take over Camara in both
Speaker 1: the half point and actually in any format I'll take.
Speaker 1: I'll take that volume, that opportunity more so than Camara's efficiency.
Speaker 1: Before we hit the break, I want to get to
Speaker 1: you at eight four, eight, four, three, six seven nine.
Speaker 1: Let me go to Logan in Michigan. What's up logan,
Speaker 1: what's up, guys? What's your question? My man? Alright, So, uh,
Speaker 1: in my home league, I'm drafting at the sixth spot
Speaker 1: in the ten team PPR league, and so I've done
Speaker 1: a few mock drafts drafting at the same spot with
Speaker 1: the same format and all that stuff, trying to get
Speaker 1: ready and uh, like the first round, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: taking Camara Barkley, second round kind of around the Keenan Allen,
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, and then third round it's kind of like
Speaker 1: Larry fit Stefon Diggs. But in the fourth round is
Speaker 1: where I'm having my issues up. Um. Usually there's like
Speaker 1: the Marius Thomas um Umari Cooper, um like Marvin Jones,
Speaker 1: and then there's also like a Joe Mix and Jordan Howard,
Speaker 1: Like where would you guys go with that? In a
Speaker 1: full PPR. I feel like, um, I feel like Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper would have the upside, and I don't really want
Speaker 1: to be re sing on a Marvin Jones, but it's
Speaker 1: just tough decisions for me. In the PBR, Marvin Jones
Speaker 1: might least Marvin Jones and de Marius Howards. Did you
Speaker 1: guys at least interested there? I think wide receiver wid
Speaker 1: Alamore at Cooper the running backs to the best players there,
Speaker 1: John Mixon and Jordan Howard. So I think I'd have
Speaker 1: to go with that. Despite being APPR. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: If you take a running a wide receiver from the third,
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to get that RB in the fourth.
Speaker 1: But I will say this ten team PPR. If you
Speaker 1: get McCaffrey in the third, that's where I'm leaning take
Speaker 1: the wide receiver in the fourth grade. We take a break.
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Speaker 1: a millionaire. I spent the break looking over um the
Speaker 1: fouls ruled out River on. Just put up sweet director,
Speaker 1: your officials. This this head, this helmet is mind bogging.
Speaker 1: What is it you exact like when you so the
Speaker 1: new rule in the NFL is that you can't you
Speaker 1: can't lead with your helmet whatsoever, as a defender or
Speaker 1: as a running back. Right, I thought that that was
Speaker 1: the thing for a while though, well maybe it was.
Speaker 1: Now that just like overly enforcing it. But they're the
Speaker 1: last three in which in this video that they said
Speaker 1: they're fouls. I like, don't know what the player did wrong.
Speaker 1: Every time you know, you can watch you can watch
Speaker 1: the last three francs. This happened during the preseason. So
Speaker 1: these are all from the preseason Week one. You missed
Speaker 1: one and see the next wanted in the Browns the
Speaker 1: Giant game. I don't one after that. Um, these were
Speaker 1: all called against defense. All should be fouls. I don't
Speaker 1: know who they're called against or whatever, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't see anything wrong. The video glitz
Speaker 1: right when the tackle was happening. That's unfortunate, and I mean,
Speaker 1: look and for people who are wondering last one explaining actus,
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't care. The Saints quarterback. Right,
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. For those wondering like what
Speaker 1: this might have to do for fantasy, think about it.
Speaker 1: You know, if it's a third down, this is gonna
Speaker 1: keep drives alive. This could cause more offensive production, which
Speaker 1: ultimately helps us for fantasy purpose. Well, it might help,
Speaker 1: It might help you, you know, lose, It might go
Speaker 1: the other way against you, but ultimately, you know, if
Speaker 1: more penalties are being called weekend and week out, it's
Speaker 1: gonna lead to more drives being sustained and more offensive
Speaker 1: production coming. Yeah. It absolutely well something you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to take note of and we'll see how um tight
Speaker 1: they call it during this season. Now, I want to
Speaker 1: get back to a running back rankings and tears and
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Speaker 1: I went through my five and six, which for me
Speaker 1: and a half point and a full point. I'll just
Speaker 1: say half point because of let's we specify that's what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Was Alvin Camara and then it would
Speaker 1: say kuon Barkley, But Frank, pretty much in all formats
Speaker 1: outside of the full PBR, he's got Barkley five and
Speaker 1: the half point's got Camara six. And then in the
Speaker 1: standard or not PPR seven eight and some for me
Speaker 1: my seven eight and for him number six it is
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon and Kareem Hunt. We have stressed early and often,
Speaker 1: Frankie that Melvin Gordon belongs in this tier, but I
Speaker 1: still have Kareem Hunt ahead of him. Who do you
Speaker 1: have that, Kareem Hunt or Melvin Gordon? Yes, so I
Speaker 1: still do have Kareem Hunt ahead of Melvin Gordon in
Speaker 1: every format. And you know, you look into Kareem hunts
Speaker 1: season last year, it was very very interesting. Look there
Speaker 1: was that low uh, I'll breakdown his season by like
Speaker 1: thirds the first seven games of the season, yet at
Speaker 1: least seven at least one yards from scrimmage in each
Speaker 1: of the first seven games. He didn't score a touchdown. However,
Speaker 1: in nine straight games that was from weeks four through
Speaker 1: and I just found that, you know, some of it
Speaker 1: is unlucky. But what needs to happen here, Greg, is
Speaker 1: if they don't make Kareem Hunt the workhorse running back.
Speaker 1: Based on everything that we saw last year, what he did,
Speaker 1: I mean, three touches as a as a rookie, coming
Speaker 1: in UM forty three red zone touches with seventh among
Speaker 1: running backs. Think about this one and thirty seven evaded
Speaker 1: tackles first among running backs. Eighteen runs of fifteen plus
Speaker 1: yards first among running backs. Six hundred and thirty two
Speaker 1: yards created by himself, first among running backs. All the
Speaker 1: metrics and everything that we saw last year, especially at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season and the end of the season,
Speaker 1: says that Kareem Hunt is a beast. Now if any
Speaker 1: reed comes out this year and for whatever reason gets
Speaker 1: Spencer Wear or whatever other schmuck involved involved in the
Speaker 1: Chiefs run game and it's not Kareem Hunt. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you this will be one of the biggest flops in
Speaker 1: fantasy football history. I'm talking about like anything that we
Speaker 1: we saw in the World Cup. Greg Seriously, like this
Speaker 1: will be terrible because I just think all the metrics,
Speaker 1: the way he ran last year, what he did and
Speaker 1: that low in the middle of the season was because
Speaker 1: they weren't really giving him the ball. That's the only
Speaker 1: way Kareem Hunt will bust is out of his control.
Speaker 1: That's basically how I'll say it. Because when he's on
Speaker 1: the field, if they give him fifteen to twenty touches
Speaker 1: per game, he's going to live up to his first
Speaker 1: round value. And I wholeheartedly leave that in this offense,
Speaker 1: which I think is gonna get down the field of ton.
Speaker 1: I know Patrick Mahomes turning the ball over in training camp,
Speaker 1: but I just I don't see how he could fail
Speaker 1: with these weapons, Travis Kelsey, Tyreek Hill, the big arm,
Speaker 1: they bring in, Sammy Watkins. They're going to get down
Speaker 1: the field of ton that I think that's gonna just
Speaker 1: lead to more scoring opportunities for Kareem Hunt. If anything
Speaker 1: goes wrong, it's because Andy Reid caused it. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: injury can predict I ultimately totally um, I totally agree
Speaker 1: with you. Is you look at Kareem Hunt and at
Speaker 1: four point nine yards for carry, is just just really
Speaker 1: stands out, especially when you prepare him as I am
Speaker 1: against the Melvin Gordon, because Melvin Gordon never gets over four, right,
Speaker 1: You're looking at three point nine three point consistently, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. And we've said many times on the show,
Speaker 1: we have no problem what Melvin Gordon dollars because you
Speaker 1: know what you're getting. The touchdowns will be there, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna catch a ton of balls and that's awesome.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he has a potential in a
Speaker 1: lot of sty and maybe I'm going out on a
Speaker 1: limb to finish the number one overall back and I
Speaker 1: think cream Hunt does. And that's what makes me really
Speaker 1: like Kareem Hunt more than a Melvin Gordon. When we
Speaker 1: started this process, I had Cream Hunt ahead of Alvin Kamara,
Speaker 1: and of course marketing suspension change that. But I believe
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt isn't all around talent. I think we see
Speaker 1: the phase out process of Shark Hendrick West. I think
Speaker 1: Spencer wears a backup. I think um Damian Williams, if
Speaker 1: he makes the team, he's a backup nobody. I think
Speaker 1: they realize that Cream hunts their man and this team,
Speaker 1: we talk about all the weapons they have, Cream hands
Speaker 1: a major part of that. I think he only gets
Speaker 1: better in year two. I love cream Hunt. This year
Speaker 1: he's absolutely next for me, you know all formats, and
Speaker 1: then I have Melvin Gordon. Yes, so in non PPR,
Speaker 1: I have both Kareem Hunt and Melvin Gordon ahead of
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara. Like I mentioned, just based on that touchdown upside,
Speaker 1: but I wholeheartedly agree with you with I think Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt has that upside based on what we saw in
Speaker 1: those first seven games where he started his career his
Speaker 1: NFL career with one yards of scrimmage or more in
Speaker 1: each of the first seven games. And not only that,
Speaker 1: like he had Monster games where he helped you win
Speaker 1: early on, and then he had Monster games where he
Speaker 1: helped you win. I mean, this guy helped me win
Speaker 1: Fantasy Championships last year. If you just take what he
Speaker 1: did early in the season last year and towards the
Speaker 1: end of the season last year, and we could just
Speaker 1: make that a little bit more consistent throughout the season.
Speaker 1: He legitimately does have you know, top three running back upside.
Speaker 1: I believe that as well. Great, and then we continue
Speaker 1: on to the next two and I like, how ever,
Speaker 1: bringing them down by a two years, and that's almost
Speaker 1: really how they go. And you get to Leonard Fournette
Speaker 1: and Dalvin Cook. I think this is where we probably disagree,
Speaker 1: even the Dalvin Cook guy all along. I've been the
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette guy all along. I know what you read
Speaker 1: about the vikings with Latavia's Mary and with Jack McKinnon,
Speaker 1: and I've read you plenty of stafts with Letter Fournett
Speaker 1: and just how much that offense revolves around him. I
Speaker 1: think we're pretty set in our positions. UM. I think
Speaker 1: that full point p BR, I probably lean Dalvin Cook
Speaker 1: to be fair, because I dont think Leonard Fournet catch
Speaker 1: as many passes. I think we see a lot of
Speaker 1: t J. Yelden and Corey Grant on third down. UM.
Speaker 1: But in the half point and then the non PBR,
Speaker 1: I'm going to stick with Fournett. Yeah, so I have
Speaker 1: Devin Cook ahead of Leonard four Nett in every four Matt.
Speaker 1: I've been consistent with that. I'm gonna remain that way.
Speaker 1: I remember when we had Dr A on I even
Speaker 1: asked him based on both injury histories here because Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook again coming off the torn a c L and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we don't talk about that enough, but
Speaker 1: he has an injury that he's coming back from, and
Speaker 1: then Leonard Fournette has the chronic foot ankle injuries. And
Speaker 1: I asked Dr A you know who would you rather draft,
Speaker 1: and he said, undoubtedly it's Dalvin Cook. So he just
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, reassured what I thought already. And
Speaker 1: you know, question marks about the Vikings offensive line, but
Speaker 1: I think that offense is gonna be great. They're gonna
Speaker 1: get down the field of ton Um. Dalvin Cook was
Speaker 1: averaging eighteen and a half rushing attempts himself before he
Speaker 1: got hurt. The Vikings overall, their offense was second in
Speaker 1: rush attempts last season. You know who was first, It
Speaker 1: was actually the Jaguars. But um, I think I'm only
Speaker 1: really worried about the injury concerned with Leonard Fournet because
Speaker 1: they improved the offensive line. Like everything else there, it
Speaker 1: sets up perfectly for Leonard four Nette, Like he is
Speaker 1: a workhorse. He averaged over twenty carries per game, everything
Speaker 1: that you want out of your running back. And I
Speaker 1: think the p PR concerns are a little bit overblown
Speaker 1: because I think Leonard Fournette catches forty plus balls this here.
Speaker 1: But to me, the only reason why I have him
Speaker 1: behind Dalvin Cook is the chronic foot and ankle injury concerns.
Speaker 1: Greg Yeah, so um it's fair, and I like where
Speaker 1: he's going, Like I don't like if Dalvin Cook is
Speaker 1: gone and I'm at the swing and I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournet. Yeah, I don't have a problem. I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with I just splitting hairs here. The
Speaker 1: only thing scares me about Dalvin Cook is that line.
Speaker 1: I know, Jackson Ba's line, which is already good last year,
Speaker 1: he gets better than Andrew Norwell. Um, so for me,
Speaker 1: I don't have that fear of the line like I
Speaker 1: do with the Vikings and Dalvin Cook, Like, yes, he's
Speaker 1: he's totally fine and he's practicing fully healthy. And Leonard
Speaker 1: Fournett has the chronic issue you addressed at frank Um.
Speaker 1: But for me, that line's gotten better. For that seems healthy.
Speaker 1: He lost a little bit of weight, which I always appreciate.
Speaker 1: That's the edge for me, and it's very, very close.
Speaker 1: It really is. And these are the top ten running
Speaker 1: backs who are consistently pretty much gone by, like the
Speaker 1: swing pick in fantasy football, regardless of format. Greg, I
Speaker 1: feel like we've done this before. But if you had
Speaker 1: to choose one or two guys from this group because
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, who are most likely to bust? Who
Speaker 1: would you choose from this group? From these group of
Speaker 1: ten running backs that we've mentioned so far most likely
Speaker 1: to bust? I hate to say this because it's just
Speaker 1: so ridiculous, and I know it sounds ridiculous. I think
Speaker 1: it's Alvin Kamara, and I just I just think it.
Speaker 1: Look at the workload and look at the touchdown efficiency,
Speaker 1: and it's the same conversation we have with Shaun Watson yesterday.
Speaker 1: But I think it's Kamara out of that like he's
Speaker 1: the one I'm going I would pull the trigger. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I wouldn't. That's the one that probably scares
Speaker 1: me the most. Out of these guys, you, yeah, I
Speaker 1: actually have three candidates. Kamara is one of them and
Speaker 1: any other two you know, based on injury concern but
Speaker 1: that's what can cause a player to bust is Leonard
Speaker 1: Fournet and David Johnson. Yeah, David Johnson I considered as well. Um,
Speaker 1: those are probably the but like I'm still not shying away,
Speaker 1: like I said, yeah, but they're the most risky running
Speaker 1: backs I'd say in the first round. Okay, cool, So
Speaker 1: those are the top ten guys. And Frank said these
Speaker 1: wild this year, that ten, these ten running backs are
Speaker 1: legitimately going in the first about fourteen picks or depending
Speaker 1: on what draft it is. In our flex draft and
Speaker 1: non PPR, the first ten of the first eleven picks,
Speaker 1: everybody except Antonio Brown, who I think went six seven
Speaker 1: seven seven, took Barkley Sex end of the first eleven
Speaker 1: picks and non PPR were running backs and Florio was
Speaker 1: depending on how you look at it, he was hand
Speaker 1: gifted DeAndre Hopkins and Odell Beckham at pick twelve again
Speaker 1: in non PPR. And you're working in a lot of
Speaker 1: questions about that from listeners that if you're in the
Speaker 1: half point and you're in a half point PPR. I
Speaker 1: just want to split the difference. If you're in that
Speaker 1: half point PPR and all of these running backs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's say that there's ten running backs here and there's
Speaker 1: a strong top ten, nine of them go. You're at
Speaker 1: the turn, and if nine of them go, that means
Speaker 1: you have two of the top four wide receivers left
Speaker 1: of DeAndre Hopkins and Brown be gone to the top
Speaker 1: three DeAndre Hopkins, Odell Beckham and Hulu Jones. Do you
Speaker 1: take like two of those and me like, holy crap,
Speaker 1: like I just got this? Or do you take that
Speaker 1: tenth running back being that's probably four net or Cook?
Speaker 1: What would you rather are doing that situation? So I
Speaker 1: actually experimented with this in one of my most recent
Speaker 1: best ball dress. I had picked Levin Uh and by
Speaker 1: the time I got there, I had to either take
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, he was the last running back available, or
Speaker 1: one of the wide receivers. I ended up taking DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook went at the turn, and I ended up
Speaker 1: with Julio Jones in the second round, which started in
Speaker 1: a half point PPR. Now, I'm not really I don't
Speaker 1: feel great about my running backs. I ended up with
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry Ronald Jones, and I think Marshall Lynch as
Speaker 1: like my first three, and if I had to do
Speaker 1: it over again, I probably would take Dalvin Cook right
Speaker 1: and then whatever wide receiver felt to me around two.
Speaker 1: So so that was that was one question. That's the
Speaker 1: question we had is at eight we talked about Cream
Speaker 1: Hunt Melvin Gordon being potential picks in that spot depending
Speaker 1: on format. Would you rather have those guys around the
Speaker 1: eight spot? I know this is a whiteboard series that's
Speaker 1: coming up today, You're doing the number eight pick. Would
Speaker 1: you rather have a Karea Hunt? And again you could
Speaker 1: just say I'm answering later Cream, We'll say Melvin Gordon.
Speaker 1: Would rather Melvin Gordon or DeAndre Hopkins? There? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would take the running back because I like the wide
Speaker 1: receiver value better in that early second round, because you
Speaker 1: know you could get one of Michael Thomas, Keenan Allen,
Speaker 1: Devantae Adams a J. Green. To me, the combination of
Speaker 1: that workhorse running back in the first where it's like
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon or Kareem Hunt, plus that elite wide receiver
Speaker 1: in the second is better than DeAndre Hopkins. And then
Speaker 1: whoever you're gonna pair with him in the second, whether
Speaker 1: it's Devonte Freeman, Uh, Joe Mixon, Uh, you know, Jordan
Speaker 1: Howard are running back like that? While you know DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins might outscore Melvin Gordon for sure, that can happen.
Speaker 1: I think the combination of Melvin Gordon and one of
Speaker 1: those elite wide receivers will outscore whatever running back you
Speaker 1: pair with DeAndre Hopkins, So I would take the running
Speaker 1: back at pig. There you go. That's the most common question.
Speaker 1: We have to an break here seven nine. To get
Speaker 1: back to you, I want to go to Jason in
Speaker 1: Colorado next. Jason, Hey, how's going great? What's going on?
Speaker 1: Start for Frank? What's love the series you've been doing.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, what's uh your favorite one to punch
Speaker 1: from the from the first two rounds? Your favorite combination
Speaker 1: of players you're able to kind of grab. I think
Speaker 1: it's a great question, and obviously the answer to to
Speaker 1: that is what pick you've clearly preferred the most because
Speaker 1: of the two players you you can grab. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think it's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome to grab one
Speaker 1: of the workhorse running backs. But in my opinion, again,
Speaker 1: you miss out on one of those elite wide receivers.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, some wide receivers are going
Speaker 1: to break out, but to me, the cut off is
Speaker 1: a J. Green, and it's a J Green Davante Adams,
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, and Michael Thomas working my way backwards in
Speaker 1: the second round. So as early as you can get
Speaker 1: in the first round where you can guarantee that you
Speaker 1: get one of those wide receivers, that's what I like.
Speaker 1: I started another Best Ball draft yesterday, Greg, and I
Speaker 1: came in here and told you today I had the
Speaker 1: six pick. I took Sae Kwon Barkley, and I ended
Speaker 1: up getting Keenan All in the second round. I love
Speaker 1: that start. I don't know if you can guarantee that
Speaker 1: every time, but you know, if you're anywhere from that
Speaker 1: six to ten rain and you get a work horse
Speaker 1: running back and then you get an elite wide receiver,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably my best range. And that's why
Speaker 1: I think pick eight, and we'll see it today with
Speaker 1: your video, I think I pick eight might wind up
Speaker 1: being your favorite because I think that scenario is probably
Speaker 1: most likely right around there, which is what I had
Speaker 1: in Flex and I too, Kareem hunt first here you go,
Speaker 1: I'll well go back to you Jonathan new Jersey or
Speaker 1: next John. Hey guys, UM, how you doing? And I
Speaker 1: I had called the other day and I asked about
Speaker 1: full point twelve team PPR with pick number five. You
Speaker 1: guys told me that undoubtedly you probably go with Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown appeals on board. But I figured, now, since you
Speaker 1: guys are talking about running back, let's let's assume that
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown like goes Forth, Um, and I missed out
Speaker 1: on him and I got like Ezekiel Elliott there or uh,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the top four guys. Um, what
Speaker 1: would you be your advice for the second round? Uh?
Speaker 1: Assuming like the max that I've done, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: Davante Adams, I haven't seen all all these other guys, um,
Speaker 1: But what would you pick with? Assuming ab has gone
Speaker 1: number four? I end up with Zeke? Uh? Where would
Speaker 1: you go with um with your next pick? For that one?
Speaker 1: Frankie did a number five in your whiteboard series already?
Speaker 1: Who'd you? Who'd you grab? There? So I would try
Speaker 1: to get one of those wide receivers like I mentioned,
Speaker 1: but from the mock drafts, he's doing it. Sounds like
Speaker 1: those wide receivers are gone. So you can choose to
Speaker 1: pull one of those wide receivers up the board if
Speaker 1: you really want, like a Mike Evans, a t Y Hilton,
Speaker 1: someone like that. Or you can just zig when everyone
Speaker 1: else is zagging. If everyone's grabbing the wide receivers, that
Speaker 1: means some running back value is going to fall to you. So,
Speaker 1: whether it's DeVonta Freeman or Christian McCaffrey, who personally I
Speaker 1: have ranked higher than Freeman, Frank full point, climbing down,
Speaker 1: climbing down, Christian McCaffrey, I love it. Yeah. So if
Speaker 1: you could get McCaffrey um in the second round of
Speaker 1: a full point PPR, even though everyone says, oh, you
Speaker 1: gotta grab wide receivers in in the full point PPR format,
Speaker 1: if you start Zeke or David Johnson with Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: I think that's a fabulous start in the first two
Speaker 1: rounds and then really, you know, the next three, maybe
Speaker 1: even the next four picks in your draft, I'm probably
Speaker 1: just loading up on wide receivers and playing it out
Speaker 1: from there. Greg, let's go to Shawn in New York next, Sean. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: so you guys been giving me advice the past couple
Speaker 1: of days about awesome sleeper running backs and wide receivers
Speaker 1: in my sixteen teams stampond league. I was wondering, you know,
Speaker 1: after my first two picks, which are probably gonna be
Speaker 1: running back, since its uh non PPR league, should I
Speaker 1: go for like an Aaron Rodgers maybe Deshaun Watson type
Speaker 1: of big scoring quarterback in like the third round in
Speaker 1: a sixteen team league. I I simply can't recommend it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna need to just pile on running backs and
Speaker 1: wide receivers. It's just too big. That's and I said,
Speaker 1: I like one of these quarterbacks you can just pick
Speaker 1: and wait and hold on you and never have to
Speaker 1: think about it in your league. Give me the wide receivers,
Speaker 1: give me the running backs. I'm gonna worry about quarterback
Speaker 1: way later. I understand why you might want that advantage
Speaker 1: in the sixteen team league, though, because if you get
Speaker 1: an elite quarterback, that's where you stand out each week
Speaker 1: against your opponent. But I lean with you, Greg, I'm
Speaker 1: probably loading up on wide receivers after I grab those rbs.
Speaker 1: The second round running backs, they're up next on the BFFs.
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Speaker 1: That's Fantasy Factor dot com. So we want to do
Speaker 1: the top twenty four running backs today. That's that's simply
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. We're not gonna have time. We'll continue
Speaker 1: this discussion tomorrow. Um, but we wanted to into the
Speaker 1: second round. Guys, there's the top ten players that we
Speaker 1: just gave you. They are the top ten. They are
Speaker 1: going in the first fourteen picks, which leaves ten more
Speaker 1: picks to go to finish out your top twenty four.
Speaker 1: And to me, in those ten picks, there are five
Speaker 1: more guys that belong there. And drafts are different, depending
Speaker 1: on format, depending on scoring, depending how your league goes.
Speaker 1: But for me personally, if I had to rank top
Speaker 1: twenty four, fifteen of them would be running backs. We've
Speaker 1: named ten. We have five more to go. Now I
Speaker 1: think our order, how many do you have more to go?
Speaker 1: Do you believe that should be the top twenty not
Speaker 1: top twenty? More running backs that should be the top
Speaker 1: twenty four? Picks? Four? You know? You guess the one
Speaker 1: you have? You have four? You have four more TOG
Speaker 1: you're saying, fine, I thought it was the other way. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Mike Tier has five more guys. Frank's here's four
Speaker 1: more guys. I already know which one for him is
Speaker 1: not um to me, that's here is this in some order?
Speaker 1: We'll discuss it. DeVante Freeman, Christian McCaffrey, Jordan Howard, Joe Mixon,
Speaker 1: and the guy that Frank does not have, and that's
Speaker 1: Jerick McKinnon. If you're in the half point PBR, we'll
Speaker 1: start there, Frank, the first ten running backs off the board,
Speaker 1: you're looking for running back in the second round, which
Speaker 1: one do you want? Greggy Man. We put this up
Speaker 1: as a poll two on the Fantasy bfs Twitter, and
Speaker 1: currently Christian McCaffrey and Devantay Freeman are very close. I
Speaker 1: moved him up. I have christ McCaffrey levin. He's my
Speaker 1: next running back off the board in the second round.
Speaker 1: Although he is tasty here in the full point PPR,
Speaker 1: but I think I think the way he was using
Speaker 1: that first game is very telling. Greg. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: gonna you gotta go like I mean, that helps for sure.
Speaker 1: But he played all fourteen of the first team snaps
Speaker 1: with the offensive line and not playing in the fourth quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and look, North Turner is known for having a workhorse
Speaker 1: running back. So I'm starting to buy more and more
Speaker 1: into that theory with Christian McCaffrey. And you know, even
Speaker 1: if the Panther's offensive line isn't very good, I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna lend itself to McCaffrey catching a bunch of passes.
Speaker 1: We could see him with you know, presumably seventy plus
Speaker 1: maybe eighty plus receptions once again this year. Um, that's
Speaker 1: gonna help him the half point PPR as well. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's more likely now. I think when we first started
Speaker 1: talking about McCaffrey were like, you know, he'll probably score
Speaker 1: like six touchdowns this year. Now he's probably maybe he's
Speaker 1: closer to like seven or eight, and ultimately that helps
Speaker 1: with seventy year eighty plus receptions if he's the workhorse
Speaker 1: for this team. So I haven't been trenched as my
Speaker 1: number eleven running back in half PPR right now. He
Speaker 1: would be number eleven in full point as well in standard.
Speaker 1: He's like a third round running back in my opinion.
Speaker 1: For me, in your half point, I have Christian cacaffrey
Speaker 1: is my twelfth ranked running back in the full point.
Speaker 1: I do have him as number eleven. When we talked
Speaker 1: about finding the next Todd Gurley, Christian McCaffrey was my
Speaker 1: answer because I thought through one. Remember my answer is
Speaker 1: Darius guys first. Actually, no, it can't be worse than that.
Speaker 1: Who wasn't shot Penny? All right? So it was not worse. Um,
Speaker 1: it's pretty bad. Christian McAffrey is my answer because I
Speaker 1: thought the touches would be there, like even if the
Speaker 1: touch even if he could just fall into a few
Speaker 1: more touchdowns. What Frank said he needed to do to
Speaker 1: get in that first round mix was more touchdowns and
Speaker 1: more arts. And I think given the usage in Game
Speaker 1: one of the preseason, being a little bit bigger helps
Speaker 1: this guy. And and that's why I was confident in there.
Speaker 1: And I really like Christian McCaffrey this year, like I
Speaker 1: think it could be a full purpose back. But the
Speaker 1: one that we felt had the highest floor essentially was
Speaker 1: DeVante Freeman. Yeah he's got the concussion issues and that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Yeah he has a Tevin Coleman issue and
Speaker 1: that's the thing. And yeah he has a Steve Sarkhesian issue,
Speaker 1: which is also a thing. But the one thing with
Speaker 1: Vanta Freeman you could say about really any of these guys,
Speaker 1: because he's done it before, like he's been a first
Speaker 1: round running back. He has put together a really good
Speaker 1: receiving series season and a really good running season, and
Speaker 1: you put that together and you have a work horse
Speaker 1: running back and all the negatives that we put together previously,
Speaker 1: like those are fair. I'm not disagreeing when you're looking
Speaker 1: at a non PBR or a half PPR, I think
Speaker 1: DeVonta Freeman is the one I can count on to
Speaker 1: do a little bit of everything and in the half,
Speaker 1: in the full point b BR. Just for the record,
Speaker 1: I would just flip flop him like I would have
Speaker 1: McAffrey eleven in him twelve. That's how good I feel
Speaker 1: about DeVante Freeman. I didn't want to break these two
Speaker 1: down into like a twosome here, but to me that
Speaker 1: the two clear next guys. I don't know that Frank
Speaker 1: agrees with that um, but I have DeVante Freeman. Overall.
Speaker 1: My rankings are half point I've Devanta Freeman eleven, and
Speaker 1: I have Christian McCaffrey twelve. Yes, so I still have
Speaker 1: Freeman as my RB thirteen. But like I told you downstairs, Greg,
Speaker 1: the more and more I think about it, I just
Speaker 1: don't see a scenario in the second round where I
Speaker 1: feel good drafting DeVonta Freeman. And I tried to give
Speaker 1: him this NA yeah, and it's like, look, I just
Speaker 1: I worry about the concussions, and you know you don't
Speaker 1: want to draft scared because any running back can end
Speaker 1: up with concussions. Any running back can get hurt year
Speaker 1: in and year out. But I'm more so worried about.
Speaker 1: Look the the system with Steve Sarkisian here. Last the
Speaker 1: last three years, his targets have dipped each year. He
Speaker 1: had ninety seven targets back in that was with Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 1: Even with Shanahan and twenty six team, his targets dipped
Speaker 1: by thirty two down to sixty five targets. Last year
Speaker 1: that dipped by eighteen more, only forty seven targets. So
Speaker 1: we're talking about DeVonta Freeman had thirty six receptions last year.
Speaker 1: That might be the same range that Jordan Howard is
Speaker 1: in this year. Like, yeah, Jordan Howard is not gonna
Speaker 1: catch a lot of passes. He might be like thirty
Speaker 1: thirty five catches. All right, that's not great. But DeVonta
Speaker 1: Freeman a three year trend of just trending downwards with
Speaker 1: the receptions, and I worry about how Steve Sarkasan is
Speaker 1: gonna use him. I will say this Greg that as
Speaker 1: long as DeVonta Freeman and Tevin Coleman have been on
Speaker 1: this team, he dominates red zone work. When they get
Speaker 1: inside the red zone, when they get inside the ten
Speaker 1: inside the five. That is DeVonta Freeman's job. But I
Speaker 1: just feel like he is trending in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: And you know, for all the reasons we like the
Speaker 1: Bears offense this year, I think their offensive line is solid.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be able to move the ball more this season,
Speaker 1: just a better overall scheme. With Matt Naggi coming over,
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be opportunities for you know, close
Speaker 1: to if not double digit touchdowns for Jordan Howard. And
Speaker 1: like I said, they mentioned they want to get him
Speaker 1: more involved. In the past game, I could see him
Speaker 1: with thirty thirty five receptions. So as of now in
Speaker 1: the half point PPR, I've moved Jordan Howard ahead of
Speaker 1: DeVonta Freeman. I'm just kind of souring off Freeman right
Speaker 1: now with the concussions and the targets, a three year
Speaker 1: downward trend for him. I love Jordan Howard and you
Speaker 1: know that I loved him last year. I love him again.
Speaker 1: He's my number thirteen running back across the all formats.
Speaker 1: Here's number thirteen for me. But problem with Jordan Howard
Speaker 1: is and you said, listen, you can get perceptions, and
Speaker 1: that's true, but after we too last year, I proposed
Speaker 1: trading away Jordan Howard for Rico, and then Rico owner said, no,
Speaker 1: like that's the direction we were in. How drastic it
Speaker 1: was after two weeks that was John Fox like, totally
Speaker 1: we're projecting forward now, Greggy yea, yeah, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: how drastic it got for Jordan Howard. And I do
Speaker 1: wonder that if he does struggle in the passing game,
Speaker 1: we do see more of three cooing. And people are
Speaker 1: really high on Thurrico in this year, like extremely high.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. Maybe it's because I really liked
Speaker 1: Jordan Howard, but that fear is there, and that's ultimately
Speaker 1: why I trust him the least out of those three
Speaker 1: guys McCaffrey and Freeman. I love Jordan Howard, He's thirteen.
Speaker 1: I just think when you're splitting hairs here, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take the guy who I think, Jordan Howard is more
Speaker 1: of a guaranteed workhorse running back. You look the past
Speaker 1: two years, Vonta Freeman has been right around fourteen rushing
Speaker 1: attempts per game. Now his receptions have come down again
Speaker 1: or point nine per game three years ago, three point four,
Speaker 1: two point six last year. So if he's only getting
Speaker 1: fourteen uh carries and then around three receptions per game,
Speaker 1: you're at about seventeen touches and again he's gonna get
Speaker 1: that that work inside the reds own. But if Jordan Howard,
Speaker 1: you're guaranteeing me, you know, seventeen eighteen carries the game
Speaker 1: and you know whatever it is two receptions if he's
Speaker 1: in that thirty reception rains. Once again, I just I
Speaker 1: think I feel better about Jordan Howard being more of
Speaker 1: a workhorse running back for his team, whereas he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the injury history of the concussions concerned. Um, I
Speaker 1: just I don't feel good about drafting DeVante Freeman all
Speaker 1: that much anymore in the second round. Again, for me,
Speaker 1: I look at DeVante Freeman much like I looked at
Speaker 1: Kaream Hunt, Like this is a guy that I if
Speaker 1: I don't even think the things to break his way
Speaker 1: that he finished a top twelve running back, and I
Speaker 1: feel the same in all formats. And I feel the
Speaker 1: same way when it comes to my number twel running
Speaker 1: back that Christian McCaffrey could do it. Um, Jordan Howard
Speaker 1: can also, But like your first twelve running bats theoretically
Speaker 1: or r V one's right, like all those twelve guys,
Speaker 1: you believe you're gonna be r V one. I believe
Speaker 1: that even though Jordan Howard did it last year, I
Speaker 1: believe there's a better chance than projection forward, that Devonte
Speaker 1: Freeman does it than Jordan Howard. And it's again, it's
Speaker 1: two spots. That's where I have Jordan Howard, then another
Speaker 1: two some of the final two for me in the
Speaker 1: second round. Frank has a once Rancus one guy left.
Speaker 1: I have two here, and I hope Frank tells me
Speaker 1: why he doesn't agree, and I'm sure he will. But
Speaker 1: for me, and Frank's really called me out over the
Speaker 1: order of this, I have Jered McKinnon and I have
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon. I remember when we remember we laughed at
Speaker 1: this when we said Jerreed McKinnon really and Joe Mixon
Speaker 1: we're both second round running backs. But the deeper we
Speaker 1: get in the draft season, you're seeing it be a
Speaker 1: realization to me, these are two guys I'd much rather
Speaker 1: take towards the turn, especially if you drafted running back
Speaker 1: with your first pick. Grab the wide receivers here, grab
Speaker 1: the Allen's the Adams and Greens, the Hilton's Evans like.
Speaker 1: I like those guys better than these two running backs.
Speaker 1: I want to preface that by saying, but as I
Speaker 1: look at the next year running backs, the guys to
Speaker 1: come after, uh, to me, the Royce Freeman's and Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry the Alex Collins, like, these guys are end of
Speaker 1: the third round guys. To me, McKinnon and Mixing are
Speaker 1: significantly better, and I'm skipping McCoy's. I honestly have no
Speaker 1: idea what to do with and maybe we can discuss that.
Speaker 1: But to me, McKinnon and Mixing or a tier above
Speaker 1: all the other names I just mentioned. That's why I
Speaker 1: believe they fitten this tire. The guys I want to
Speaker 1: take a little bit later on more at the turn
Speaker 1: at two three may be at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: third round, but to me, Mixing and McKinnon are next.
Speaker 1: I'm buying into the Shanahan hype. I buy into the
Speaker 1: Shannahan every single year. To be perfectly honest with you,
Speaker 1: you drafted all over Carlos Side last year. I was
Speaker 1: all over Devonte Freeman the years prior to that. Because
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan knows what he's doing with running backs. You
Speaker 1: go back to Washington where he at Alfred Morris, you
Speaker 1: go back to Houston where he had Arian Foster. It's
Speaker 1: not a coincidence. Kyle Shanahan knows what he's doing with
Speaker 1: running backs. This is why Matt Breeda became a thing
Speaker 1: last year. That's why many people believe Matt Brida will
Speaker 1: be a thing this year. I understand the workload concerns
Speaker 1: with McKinnon. I understand when everybody points out what he
Speaker 1: did in Minnesota. It could not sustain all of those carries.
Speaker 1: I get it. But I think Kyle Shanahan's going to
Speaker 1: give him every opportunity to do so. The Niners line
Speaker 1: is improving. Frankie read that yesterday. I think how good
Speaker 1: the line was, um And those are the reasons to
Speaker 1: love McKinnon. Joe Mixon. I admit I have a little
Speaker 1: sour taste in my mouth from last year. I know
Speaker 1: he got better as the season went along. I know
Speaker 1: that the Bengals went out to improve their offensive line
Speaker 1: as well. But when you look at the half point
Speaker 1: PBR and the full point PPR, and I'd say in
Speaker 1: the standard I would have mixing ahead of McKinnon, but
Speaker 1: Mixing is not gonna catch many passes on this team
Speaker 1: with giel Bernard still there, like that is still his role,
Speaker 1: that is still his job. I know mixes the goal
Speaker 1: line back, but I think McKinnon could be the goal
Speaker 1: line back anyway. I have a McKinnon and then Mixing
Speaker 1: and the half point and the full point pbr. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I have Mixing ahead of McKinnon in every format.
Speaker 1: I believe I have Mixing really right there, cemented it
Speaker 1: as my RB fourteen. I think he is right there
Speaker 1: behind those guys McCaffrey, Howard and Freeman regardless of format.
Speaker 1: So he's kind of just like entrenched as my RB
Speaker 1: fourteen regardless of again, regardless of format. But I just
Speaker 1: think with with Joe Mixon, what the reason why I
Speaker 1: was kind of souring on him, like maybe he doesn't
Speaker 1: have immense upside because when last time we spoke about mixing,
Speaker 1: I said, the last five seasons, when thirteen seventeen, the
Speaker 1: lead backs for Marvin Lewis and the Bengals have average
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirteen carries per season. Four seasons before that,
Speaker 1: his lead backs average two hundred nine three carries perceedon
Speaker 1: so I don't think we get there. But if you
Speaker 1: look at, you know, the top twelve fifteen running backs
Speaker 1: from last year, like, for example, Davantae Freeman finishes RB thirteen.
Speaker 1: He had a hundred and ninety six carries and he
Speaker 1: had thirty six receptions. Dan Lewis had a hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty carries and thirty two receptions. Like Joe Mixon can
Speaker 1: easily pay off where you're drafting him right now as
Speaker 1: a top fifteen running back. He can pay off that
Speaker 1: value just getting two hundred and twenty carries and forty receptions.
Speaker 1: Remember last year he caught thirty of thirty four targets.
Speaker 1: I think Joe Mixon people sleep on this part of
Speaker 1: his game. He is a phenomenal receiver. Coming out of college,
Speaker 1: he was a great receiver. Gio Bernard is not going away.
Speaker 1: He will have a role, But I think that there's
Speaker 1: a fair shot that Joe Mixon can catch forty plus
Speaker 1: balls this year, even with Gio Bernard being there. And
Speaker 1: I'll say two hundred twenty carries, so you get two
Speaker 1: hundred sixty total touches out of Joe Mixon. I think
Speaker 1: that's more than enough for him to pay off top
Speaker 1: fifteen running back value, high end RB two, maybe low
Speaker 1: end RB one, Eric McKinnon, Greg. I mean, the bad
Speaker 1: news just keeps on coming from the injury that we
Speaker 1: had before. It seems like every single day at practice,
Speaker 1: the forty Niners are running a different RB out there.
Speaker 1: As for first team reps today, it was Jeremy McNichols.
Speaker 1: The team just signed Alfred Morris. We saw Joe Williams
Speaker 1: have a touchdown in the first preseason game, so he's
Speaker 1: a thing. Again. We have like five different running backs
Speaker 1: on this forty Niners team. And yes, while Kyle Shanahan produces,
Speaker 1: you know that those top scoring running backs, I think
Speaker 1: this year could just be all over the map. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, Jerick McKinnon could be banged up a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks here, then we see Joe Williams, or we
Speaker 1: see him at Brida Matt Brida's banged up to I
Speaker 1: just think that we're gonna get It's gonna be all
Speaker 1: over the map this year. I've lowered Jack McKinnon all
Speaker 1: the way down to my RB twenty. He's not He's
Speaker 1: not even in the tier inside the round three running
Speaker 1: backs with Alex Collins, Lashawn McCoy, You're just County Shanahan, dude.
Speaker 1: I know. The thing is. The thing is, I'm not
Speaker 1: I think that there can be RB value here, but
Speaker 1: on a weekend, week out basis, I don't know that
Speaker 1: you know who it's gonna be. I think it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why they paid him. They paid
Speaker 1: him money. But look, he's banged up. He's already banged up,
Speaker 1: Greg and it's the preseason. He's not even playing games.
Speaker 1: They're barely even making contact with each other yet, and
Speaker 1: the guy has already hurt. I just think once we
Speaker 1: get into the season. And this is what Michael Florio
Speaker 1: myself continued to say when we first brought up Jack
Speaker 1: McKinnon being drafted in the second round, is there are
Speaker 1: durability concerns. Not only that, there has been efficiency concerns.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been a great running back at the NFL
Speaker 1: level yet. And I know he hasn't played for Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan yet. But Latavia's Murray looked pretty damn good playing
Speaker 1: with Pat Sherman and the Vikings offense last year. They
Speaker 1: didn't bring Jack McKinnon back for a reason. They kept
Speaker 1: Latavia's Murray's, if Latavia's Murray, it's better than Jerick McKinnon.
Speaker 1: What does that say? It doesn't say anything. It says
Speaker 1: that got paid. That Jerry McKinney got paid a lot
Speaker 1: of money. There's just a really good chance that the
Speaker 1: forty Niners made a mistake and maybe they'll realize that
Speaker 1: sooner than later. And that's what I'm expecting, because I
Speaker 1: just think it's gonna be a running back carousel this year,
Speaker 1: and maybe this is probably gonna be better for DFS.
Speaker 1: Whoever starting at the running back position for the forty
Speaker 1: Niners weekend and week out, maybe you want to plug
Speaker 1: that guy in. But I'm not using a second, not
Speaker 1: even a third round pick on Jack McKinnon if I
Speaker 1: don't know that he's going to be the starting running
Speaker 1: back every week based on injury history or the fact
Speaker 1: that I just think that he's not really that great
Speaker 1: of a running back. Two more names I want to
Speaker 1: mention that go around here before we get to tomorrow,
Speaker 1: show Lashaw McCoy and mark Ingram. Ingram suspended for four games.
Speaker 1: Sean McCoy has a suspension probably hanging over him. Potentially,
Speaker 1: I was probably potentially Where do you draft these guys. Yes,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it more tomorrow, but I still think
Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy just based on volume. Um, you know I
Speaker 1: was gonna bring this, I'll say, you know, I'll bring
Speaker 1: up the stat now. Frank Gore finished as RB nineteen
Speaker 1: last year because he had two D and sixty one carries, right.
Speaker 1: I think Lashawn McCoy, if he says healthy, he's a
Speaker 1: lot for two D fifty carries. It's based on the
Speaker 1: value he'll a volume will still pay off that third
Speaker 1: round running back value. It's not the talent that scares
Speaker 1: me in any way. With the Shawn McCoy, it's being
Speaker 1: placed in the Commissioner's example list and then you lose
Speaker 1: him for Frank Staffle. I'm Greg Susman. More running back
Speaker 1: talk tomorrow, we hope