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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and this week on the show, I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by Sean Luchtel of Heartland Bow Hunter to dive deep

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Speaker 1: into the four year hunt for a deer he called Caesar.

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Speaker 1: Al Right, Welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by First Light, and this week we're continuing our

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Speaker 1: Big Buck Breakdown series, in which we are chatting with

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Speaker 1: hunters who have been in the midst of years long

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Speaker 1: up and down hunts for one specific buck. We're trying

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Speaker 1: to get into the minds of these people who have

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Speaker 1: dedicated themselves to chasing after to studying, to learning, to patterning,

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Speaker 1: to obsessing in one way or another over a deer

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Speaker 1: and putting all their energy behind it, trying to figure

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Speaker 1: that deer out and getting a shot at it. We've

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Speaker 1: chatted with a couple hunters already with great stories. We've

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Speaker 1: learned some interesting things. We've got to foul along with

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Speaker 1: our sagas, and today we're continuing that with a story

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Speaker 1: from Sean Luctel. Sean is a Missouri bow hunter. He's

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Speaker 1: a guy that probably a lot of you are familiar with.

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Speaker 1: We've had him on the show in the past. He's

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Speaker 1: one of the co hosts and founders of Heartland bow Hunter.

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Speaker 1: Terrific show, great work they've been doing over the years.

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Speaker 1: And we have a story today of a deer that

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Speaker 1: Sean called Caesar, and it's a story that he recently

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Speaker 1: shared this past fall on their YouTube channel and a

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Speaker 1: really great film or episode, whatever you wanna call it.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to peel back the layers of this story,

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Speaker 1: get deeper into it, get deeper into his mindset, figure

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Speaker 1: out what he was thinking about throughout this hunt, how

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Speaker 1: we handled those ups and downs and speed bumps along

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Speaker 1: the way, how he made decisions. You know, what was

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Speaker 1: he thinking when he did this thing and that thing,

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Speaker 1: and when the buck did this, how did he react

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Speaker 1: to it? I want to know the naty gritty. I

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Speaker 1: think that's an interesting way that we can learn more

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Speaker 1: as hunters from these firsthand accounts. So that's the game

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Speaker 1: plan today. I don't want to beat around the bushes

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Speaker 1: because it's a good one. So without any further ado,

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Speaker 1: here's Sean lucktell of Heartland bow Hunter with the story

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Speaker 1: of Caesar. Al right back with me on the show

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Speaker 1: we got Sean Luctell. Sean, welcome back. Hey, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. I think it's probably been about I don't

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Speaker 1: know it was it a year ago that we last spoke.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm here something like that. Yeah, um, And

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Speaker 1: I think did you end up coming on rot Fresh

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Speaker 1: Radio this year with Casey or Tyler at all? Or

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Speaker 1: was that last year last time you were a guest

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Speaker 1: on that too. I believe it was last year. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was. I know this past fall. Okay,

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Speaker 1: then it must have been. I think Mike maybe came

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Speaker 1: on to talk about Ohio or Colorado or something like that. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's it's always good to get to catch up, especially

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Speaker 1: just telling someone the other day about um one of

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Speaker 1: the times way back in the day when we were

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Speaker 1: all young at A t A. And I think you

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Speaker 1: were here for this night, Sean. But if you weren't

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Speaker 1: telling me, but I was just telling someone the story

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Speaker 1: of you know, like two thousand nine or ten or

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Speaker 1: I don't know, a restaurant or bar, and Brian Craft

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Speaker 1: Brian's like, I'm at this hotel. And then it gets

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Speaker 1: That night Brian insisted that I'm not sleep in the car,

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Speaker 1: But it was the story that in mind when I

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Speaker 1: doing this series, as you know, UM, covering these you know,

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Speaker 1: called Caesar Um that lasted you know, years long, you

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Speaker 1: love that film you put together, and I thought this

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Speaker 1: that's that sounds great. I'm glad that we're doing this.

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Speaker 1: Um it is a fifty minute long episode or film

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Speaker 1: I guess to to start, Sean, if people haven't seen

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Speaker 1: that Caesar sounds great. And so really he just had

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Speaker 1: I was shocked. So he was a very for six

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're just like humans. Some some humans have

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Speaker 1: genetics to be bigger bodied, some humans like myself a

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Speaker 1: up seeing him one time time in person. Uh, late

430
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: season that that falls as a three and a half

431
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: year old, and um that's also in the film. But um, yeah,

432
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: and at that point I did think he was four

433
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: and a half. This wasn't until I believe, until yeah,

434
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: until he was actually four and a half to where

435
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I thought he was five this year.

436
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: But really in the reason being him standing next to

437
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 1: a five and a half year old buck twin ten,

438
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: the bucket looked similar to him. Um you could see

439
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: the body size and just the overall characteristics of their

440
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,479
Speaker 1: body shape and everything that he was clearly a year younger. Um,

441
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: at least in my opinion. I you know, I never

442
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: did take the job on out and have it, um

443
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, fully aged. But this is all guests a mint.

444
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: I just believe that at that time he was he

445
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: was only four and a half the following year. But yes,

446
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: when he was three and a half years old, I

447
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: only saw him one time, and head photos of him

448
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: sporadically throughout the fall. So that that's interesting then though,

449
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 1: because you thought he was four and a half of

450
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: that year, So I'm assuming then you were thinking, like,

451
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: all right, next year on a target him is a

452
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: five and a half year old. So at this point, like,

453
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: were you starting to at least for me, if I

454
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: if it is a deer that's one year away from

455
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: me targeting him, I'm really paying attention to him now

456
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: and I'm really thinking about, Okay, what's he doing now

457
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: that I can take advantage of next year? Um, all

458
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So when you thought he was

459
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: a four and a half year old, did you start

460
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 1: doing anything differently to try to better keep tabs on him?

461
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: Did you, you know, have more cameras out in the

462
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: area he was living particularly to try to keep tabs

463
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: on him, or did you stay out of his area

464
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: because you didn't want to push into a neighbor's and

465
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: get him killed or anything where you're trying to kill

466
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, the big bully Buck, the Twin ten or

467
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: something like that, because you want to open up a

468
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: spot for him to spend more time. These are some

469
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: of the things I sometimes thinking about when there's like

470
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: an up and comer. Did any of that play into

471
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: your strategy on that year? Absolutely? So. Yes, he was

472
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 1: sharing ring the same pulp portion core area of the

473
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: farm that Twin Tin was as well, and so Twin

474
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: Tin throughout those years that Twinin and Caesar were alive

475
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: together there, Twin Tin was always a little bit bigger,

476
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 1: had more mass um, even longer brows, just taller gy too.

477
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: It's just a bigger, bigger buck. And um at that

478
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: point we were that year as Caesar was four and

479
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: a half. Um at the time, I'm thinking he's five

480
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: and a half. We were targeting mainly Twin ten. I

481
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: was like, man, Twinin is just bigger. He's just he's

482
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: there more often, like this is his spot. Like, yes,

483
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: I'm keeping tabs on Caesar as well, but it was

484
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: already loaded up for you know, with cameras and whatnot

485
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: and strategy for twin Tins. So it's like, well one

486
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: or the other, but you know it preferably I'd rather

487
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: we would rather shoot twin Tin and Um. You know

488
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: we didn't. We hunted some um for twin Tin. I

489
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: ended up having an encounter with him around Halloween, but

490
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: I did not see Caesar. Um. I had photos of

491
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: him in there, but I never ended up laying eyes

492
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 1: on him. And then the ruck came and basically had

493
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: kind of passed. Rifle season even passed, and unfortunately I

494
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: have no idea how both of those bucks survived through

495
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: rifle season because you know, I know that they lived

496
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: on the farm, but there is no way that they

497
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: did not step foot off because there'd be days on

498
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: end that I wouldn't get photos of him, and and

499
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: they were living close to the border anyways. Um So

500
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: there for sure had surrounding hiding pressure. But they made

501
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: it through. And at that point, we had gone in

502
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: to hunt to hunt twin Tin, and I did tell

503
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: my dad when the hunt started, I was like, there's

504
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: a good chance that Caesar could come in here, Like,

505
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: it's your call, whatever you wanna do, Like if you

506
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: want to shoo him, shoot him. Well, sure enough, Caesar

507
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: came in this So this was just after Thanksgiving, I believe.

508
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: And um so the rut was pretty much at we're

509
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: at the tail end of the rut, so they're they're

510
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: basically starting to refuel but yet still checking dose. And

511
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 1: Caesar came out at like forty five and was feeding,

512
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: and um, you know again, I told him like, it's

513
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: it's your hunt, your call, you shoot him if you want.

514
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: He's like, let's just see what happens. He's at forty five,

515
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't really want to shoot Um

516
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: and looking at him now like, yeah, he looks really big,

517
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: but it would be cool to see him since he's

518
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: made it through rifles, sceness would great to see him

519
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: next year. And then as he waited, twin Tin ended

520
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: up coming in and that's a part of the film

521
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: as well, and he ends up killing Twinin. Um and

522
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: seeing them side by side was really the deciding factor

523
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: where we were like basically checking ourselves like, Okay, he

524
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: doesn't really look like he's five and a half compared

525
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: to Twinin. Twinin just dwarfs him. Um, he's made it

526
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: this far. You just killed your biggest buck to date. Dad,

527
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 1: Like I personally had already shot a deer, Like, why

528
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: don't we just let him go and see see what

529
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: happens next year? Um, you know, making it to five

530
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: and a happen. So that was that was a deciding

531
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: factor to really really that where we were like, Okay,

532
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: he's not as old as we thought he was. Um,

533
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: let's see what what happens if he can make it

534
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: the rest of this year and going into the next

535
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: fall to be five and a half. So then that

536
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: would have been was this what year? Was that story?

537
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: You just described that would have been the fall of

538
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: so you guys see him, but I don't need to

539
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: target him because of Twin ten getting killed and all

540
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: that kind of. So, so now heading into Caesar must

541
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: have been like, you know, top top of your mind,

542
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: for sure, he's the big dog. Um, what did you

543
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: do in the off season with that bucking mind? Were

544
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: there any changes to your scouting or shed hunting or

545
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: anything to try to like to narrow in on him

546
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: and really figure him out? Now? Was there anything like

547
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: that where you were trying to put the specific pieces

548
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: for him, you know, went from being like he's one

549
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: of several to now that he's the guy? What did

550
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: you do then give him that? Yeah? Um, So the

551
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: game plan was pretty well similar to the year before,

552
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: where I had already had cameras pretty much loaded up

553
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: on that side of the farm. Um. I had gone

554
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: in that march and burned the timber where he spent

555
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: the most most of his time that I was aware

556
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: of on that side of the farm, with hopes to

557
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: just help enhance betting um and and foraged throughout the

558
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: woods and just have better native growth just in hopes

559
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: to keep him there um the best that I possibly could.

560
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: I did pick up one of his sheds, um, and

561
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: then my mom and dad were around I think after

562
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: that and ended up driving by another the other side

563
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: and it was chewed up really bad from squirrel. So

564
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: we did end up getting both sides then, UM. But

565
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: UM anyhow, Yeah, so the game plan was about the same,

566
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: just trying to enhance habitat and UM plant a couple

567
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: staging plots which we're already there, but just try to

568
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: make them the best that we possibly could. And then um,

569
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: the destination food sources, the field that I that I

570
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: ended up killing him in, which that was all always

571
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: a part of the game plan. Was like, all right, look,

572
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: here's the timber where we feel he spends the majority

573
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: of his time. Here's like some food plots in between

574
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: before he gets there. And then the destination food sources.

575
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: That's agg field here where we where we often see

576
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: him UM and had seen him in the years past. UM.

577
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: So that that was really the game plan. And then

578
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: if it's the rut, it's like, all right, it's a

579
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: guessing game. We know, like the the main area he

580
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: spends his time for the most part, we can just

581
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: dive in and hunt him with UM. You know, the

582
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: best wins possible, the winds that are given in that area,

583
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: and in hopes that we can get him to come by. Okay,

584
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: So can you describe for me a little bit about

585
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: like the habitat where he was kind of calling home,

586
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: like based on what you were seeing there. I mean,

587
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: I know you describe destination food, transition food, and then

588
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: some timber. Um. Can you can you just tell me

589
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: more specifically like what is this timber or betting area?

590
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: Like why was he in this betting area? What made

591
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 1: it the place he was at? Uh? And then what

592
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: were what was in these food plots in that destination

593
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: field that that led him to making this zoe in

594
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: his core? Yeah. So the timber where we would often

595
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: find his sheds um in the years prior to killing him. Um,

596
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: there's really um. Well, I would say that it's been

597
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: poorly managed over the years We've had the farm I

598
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: think for ten years, and then prior to that, um,

599
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: at some point in the last I don't know, like

600
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: seventy years, there were it was definitely some form of livestock.

601
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: I would assume cows on there. Um you could tell

602
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: because of like invasive species such as like multi floor

603
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: rows and whatnot. And then the over UM really like

604
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: that there's just over competition with trees. There's a lone

605
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: of small trees in there, UM that need to be

606
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: cut out, and that's part of a program that we're

607
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: in right now where we will perform a timber stand improvement.

608
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: But my game plan with UM actually going in there

609
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 1: and cutting trees has been to run fire through there.

610
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: And if I can get a hot enough fire through there,

611
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: I've actually been able to kill some of those those

612
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: UM small diameter trees and that's actually performed a sense

613
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: of t s I in itself, like knocking back some

614
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: of the trees so that there's less competition, getting more

615
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: sun life the forest floor, which increases growth. UM you

616
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: have native forbes that will will come in and that

617
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: just creates better habitat for not only deer but all

618
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 1: sorts for all sorts of wildlife. But it creates groundcover

619
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: and food for the deer. So that was my objective

620
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: and that in that portion of the farm UM. So

621
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: that was where I was believing that he spent most

622
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: of his time betting, and then from there he could

623
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 1: either travel straight to the destination food source UM and

624
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: in doing so he would pass through like an area

625
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: that was a mixture. It was almost it's really like

626
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: a savannah, so like a mixture of some trees, warm

627
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: season grasses and like um smaller growth like um maybe

628
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: like some small plum thickets and whatnot. So he could

629
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: go there, um maybe stage up there or even bed there,

630
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: I guess if you wanted, and then head right out

631
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: into the field, or he could kind of dip down

632
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: into the valley and go towards um some staging plots

633
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: that we have and we really are our theory with

634
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: those as we just rotate them. So we may have

635
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: Clover in there for two to three years and then

636
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: we'll rotate it out and do like a fall Bland,

637
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: Nebraska plot for a year and then back to Clover again.

638
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: And so um, I want to say, we put it

639
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: into Clover three years ago. Um. And so he really

640
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: only spent one year of his past the past four

641
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: years in there when there was brassicas and so mainly

642
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: it it was always Clover when he would travel through there,

643
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: and so he may hit that before he would go

644
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: to that. And the destination food source which was either

645
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: soybeans or corn depending on the crop rotation of the year, Okay,

646
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: and was the destination Like when you talk about destination

647
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: food source, how big are we talking? You know, I

648
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: would qualify something as destination. We're talking like a couple acres.

649
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: There's this like a big, big farmfield, which is probably

650
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: like a I think like seventeen um ag field. Yeah,

651
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: and we would all you can see in the film

652
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: as well. Um, every late season will leave like maybe

653
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: a couple of acres of that agg standing for specifically

654
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: for the dear. You've got that whole habitat, you know,

655
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: plan and play. It's looking good. I'm assuming you had

656
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: cameras out in the summer to get a sense of

657
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: whether he's back or not, what he was doing. What's

658
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: your what's your camera strategy look like in this part

659
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: of the farm when you know there's a deer like

660
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: this that you know, well, you're hoping to get back

661
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: on him. Um, do you do you put your cameras

662
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: in the same places every single year or did you

663
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: do anything unique because of what you already knew about him? Yeah? So,

664
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: having um ten years of history on the farm, I

665
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: have a well up in that to that point, I

666
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: guess it would have been eight Um, I had a

667
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: pretty good idea of you know, deer movement. UM. And

668
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: I've pretty well, I feel like, tried almost everything with

669
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: camera positions. I've I've got things keyed in pretty well,

670
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: I believe, as far as where I'm gonna put my

671
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: cameras um, so going into it. Yeah, there wasn't too

672
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: much UM that I had tried differently in in that

673
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: that summer too, to differentiate myself from a few years

674
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: a few years past, um to get get deer on camera,

675
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: um and not with not being able to put anything

676
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: out in front of them. Might I have their travel corridors,

677
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: their their pinch points narrowed down pretty well, I believe,

678
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: and then maybe I might try like a water source

679
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: like a small pond or something like that. UM. But yeah,

680
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: I have I had, yeah, the uh, the little pinch

681
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 1: points keat in on pretty well to try to get

682
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: him in the summer. And I'm sitting here on my

683
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: computer right now looking back at those photos of the

684
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: summer of one and I did have him in July. UM,

685
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe I had any daylight of him. But

686
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: that usually doesn't discourage me too much, just because I mean,

687
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm not hunting during the summer anyways, and and that

688
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: would always change anyways, going into the fall, I knew

689
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: that like September October rolls around. I would often always

690
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: get him in daylight. So, and do you shift your

691
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: cameras to new spots once you get into the fall

692
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: or is it you know, the same general spots because

693
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: it's more terrain, pinch points that kind of stuff. Ah, Yeah,

694
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty well for the most part, the same spots

695
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: until they start laying down like heavily laying down active

696
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: scrapes all the time, and that's when that's when I would,

697
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: uh would shift some cameras over to those spots. And

698
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: that was that would typically be the deciding factor on

699
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: on where he was at and what he was doing.

700
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: By moving my cameras onto scrapes, and I typically always

701
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: get him on those that would be the the most

702
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: active place to get pictures or or of of Caesar.

703
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: All right, you're hunting him now the season opens. What

704
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: was your strategy did you have, like, like coming into

705
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: the year, did you have something in mind, like, Man,

706
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: I think, based on what I've learned over the past

707
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: couple of years, I'm gonna have my best chance at

708
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: this time or these two times or anything like that,

709
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: or were you kind of just gonna like start the

710
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: season and hope to get a visual or pictures or something. Yeah,

711
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: so I'm sorry you said going into this pass ball,

712
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: I guess I was thinking one, right, isn't this? Isn't

713
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: this right? Because you hunted him one? And then yeah,

714
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: you're right at five and a half? Yeah, so sorry,

715
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: can you repeat the question? Yeah, it's okay. So this

716
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: would be the year before you killed him, and you

717
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: were saying you had pictures of them in the summer,

718
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: and now we're heading into the hunting season and I'm curious,

719
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: you know what your game plan was that year? Did

720
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: you Did you have something unique in mind based on

721
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: his historical patterns or anything, or was it just kind

722
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: of a fly by the seat of your pants hope

723
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: he shows up on camera and then move in. Yeah,

724
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: and so I had gotten him through the summer, um,

725
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: but my yeah, my plan was just really just stick

726
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: to his core area, just like like he had done

727
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: with with Twin Tin. But now that my my hopes

728
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: and my beliefs were like, well, now that Twin Tin's gone,

729
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: like he is going to for sure role the roost.

730
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: This shouldn't be difficult. I don't think um to two

731
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: key in on him, and yeah, we were going to

732
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: heavily rely on those staging plots, and then as he

733
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: started to hit scrapes and whatnot, I would try to

734
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: hunt more on scrape lines, and then, you know, I

735
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: don't enjoy like letting my My full intentions are not

736
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: to let a deer get to the rut, because I

737
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: do believe they're much harder to kill oftentimes during the

738
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: rut on a farm that you're familiar with them on,

739
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: because then at that point they have left their pattern

740
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: and it's really just a guessing game and it turns

741
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: into a scramble. I feel like, you know, you know

742
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: you he You would think that he's going to be

743
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: right here, but he's completely on the other side of

744
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: the farm or something like that, or on someone else's

745
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: property at that point, because he's not he's not too

746
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: interested in hitting scrapes or doing his regular thing. He's

747
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: more worried about finding it out. So really, yeah, my

748
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: plan was to key in on those those staging plots um,

749
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: and then if he made it two October, my plan

750
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: was to try to hunt him just on scrape lines.

751
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: So what ended up happening? How did that? How did

752
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: those really hunts go? They didn't pan out? He he

753
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: turned into a five and a half year old buck

754
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: and his plans changed. How they do that exactly like?

755
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: It never fails, well, very seldom doesn't fail. But for

756
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: the most part, a dear I feel like, you know,

757
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: those those early years in his life, you get him

758
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: patterned really well, you know what he's doing for the

759
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: most part, and then as he hits maturity, he there's

760
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: a reason that he's mature now, and his plans change

761
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: and he's he's definitely smarter, and things don't happen to

762
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: be the exact same very often sometimes I do in

763
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: some box it seems like, but more often than not,

764
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: they're they've changed their ways, and they're much much harder

765
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: to kill. What do you do in that kind of

766
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: situation where you have a buck that seemed to be

767
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: on a an understandable pattern of some kind of of

768
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: some kind, and now he hits maturity and he's not

769
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: showing up. You don't know what he's doing necessarily. How

770
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: do you try to rEFInd him or reconfigure your strategy

771
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: to try to get on him, what what we're what

772
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: were you trying to do too to take the next step?

773
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: UM strategized um based on weather patterns, and that's that's

774
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: really I feel like the deciding factor. Like we often

775
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, we have all this history

776
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: built up from like, oh, yeah, we're gonna I'm just

777
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: gonna hunt him hard and get in there and do

778
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: the same thing that you know I'm gonna be there

779
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: because he was there in years passed all the time,

780
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: and that it's gonna work out. Well. I feel like

781
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: if you sit back um strategized, focus on the weather,

782
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: only hunt when it's when you feel like it's truly

783
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: right and you have your best, absolute best chance. Uh.

784
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: I feel like that's really the you're pure placing your

785
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: hots um in favor of killing him if you actually

786
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: sit back and wait and and and do things right,

787
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: hunt less really and uh just focus on on you know,

788
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: maybe a post cold front to get him. And that

789
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: was really my my my strategy that year still didn't

790
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: pan out because we ended up really only having one

791
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: encounter with him. Uh. That would have been during the

792
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: rut and we were on the other side of the farm,

793
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: so I never saw him early season in person. UM

794
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: never had an encounter with him in October and then

795
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: November rolls around and we were on the other side

796
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: of the farm hunting. My dad and I were I

797
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: was filming him and hunting another buck and he rattled

798
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: in see either And that was the only encounter in

799
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: person that we had with him. I think that I

800
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: did end up seeing him late season, but never got

801
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: video footage of him. But at that point it was

802
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: like right at the tail end of the season, and

803
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, it didn't that was that was kind of it.

804
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: So anyhow, during the rut was the only real, like

805
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: close encounter that we had with him. So do you

806
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: have any idea what he was doing? You know, what,

807
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: how did he did eat? Was he still on camera

808
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: all the time just at night? So did he become

809
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: nocturnal in your particular area or was it nocturnal um

810
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: for the most part, And I only had a hand

811
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: full of UM photos of him in the in the

812
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: in daylight in the middle of the farm, which was

813
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: very weird. So everything up until that point had always

814
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: been on one side of the farm. And I mean,

815
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: there was no doubt in my mind that he was

816
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: traveling off you know, I never actually saw him do that,

817
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: but I was like, I mean, he has to be

818
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: where he's at, like he has to be leaving the

819
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: farm and going too neighboring properties and U So up

820
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: until that point, I was thinking, oh, he's on the

821
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: side of the farm. Well, it was almost as if

822
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: his his um core area had shifted and moved more

823
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: towards the center of the farm basically just like right

824
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: there in the middle of all of it. And that

825
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: was not too far from where we ended up having

826
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: that encounter. And so I don't know if like his

827
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: core area shrank, it just shifted or what it was,

828
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: but he was he wasn't spending as much time on

829
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: the side of the farm that we were always getting him.

830
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: He was more in the very center of it, which

831
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: is fine, that's great, not complaining, um, but it did

832
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: throw us off, so for sure, Yeah, um, what what

833
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: do you what were you noticing? I guess as the

834
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: year progressed and you're seeing pictures of him, his his

835
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: range kind of shifted. What were you noticing, you know,

836
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: heading into the end of the year, if anything at

837
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: all that you thought might be you know, useful coming

838
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: to the new year, because he only saw him the

839
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: one time, but you were getting pictures of them. You're

840
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: starting to kind of refigure how he shifted. Um moving

841
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: into two, is that year was ending did you have

842
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: were you given up hope on him or were you thinking,

843
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: oh man, we're gonna we're gonna figure out his new

844
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: thing and we're still in on it. It's funny so

845
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: um as I've aged with with my white tail hunting.

846
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I uh, I almost enjoyed watching

847
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: the year grow up. I do enjoy it more than

848
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: I do actually even killing them, Like it's weird, but

849
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: I like it's almost like, oh man, if he goes

850
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: one more year, would be cool to see what happened.

851
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: So since he had made it to the end of

852
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: the season basically as a five and a half year old, like,

853
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: you know, you only have a few weeks left, I

854
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: almost started, I do I really just write it off?

855
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, yeah, like if he waltzed right in

856
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: right in front of me, of course what I'm gonna

857
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: shoot him, But like, I'm not gonna go out of

858
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: my way to just full in target him and kill him.

859
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: Because I was like, you know, um, my dad had

860
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: shot a buck. I had shot a buck, I'd already

861
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: feel the tag. I was like, I don't have to

862
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: go use my other tag, like it's just not I

863
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: don't know I could, but I don't have to. And

864
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: so I was like, you know, if he if he

865
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: walks in, I'll shoot him, but if not, I'm perfectly

866
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: fine with letting him go till six and a half

867
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: and so uh, and I really didn't have him regularly anyways.

868
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: Um I knew he was alive, but I didn't have

869
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: him regularly, like hitting a food source late season. So

870
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: I did hunt that late season and I was targeting

871
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: another deer and I ended up seeing him caesar across

872
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: the field, like a few hundred yards away, not in

873
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: the field that we would always get him in, but

874
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: another field in the it all the farm, and um

875
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: so I knew he was alive, knew he was gonna

876
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: make it. Um still was starting to throw me off

877
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: because I'm like, Okay, he's not doing what he's done

878
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: in the years past, but it's okay because he's right

879
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: here in the middle, like he's gonna, I mean more

880
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: than likely going to make it the season and maybe

881
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: something will happen. At six and a half Um, like

882
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: it's very I know there's guys in Iowa and other

883
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: places that have gigantic farms that that have deer that

884
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: make it six and a half. Often it's very seldom

885
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 1: for for us because we just don't have enough land

886
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: for that. Um. And but you know, this was an

887
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 1: instance where I was like, you know what, he's gonna

888
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: make it to six and a half. He has a

889
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: lot of potential to to be just like a giant deer. Um,

890
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: so let's see what happens. And so he ended up

891
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: making it. And I found his shed. I only found

892
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: one of his sheds this past winter. Um, and it

893
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: was I mean right in the very middle of the farm.

894
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: And that was very reassuring. Um, just like it's like okay,

895
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: like he's kind of shifted, Like I feel like he's

896
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: living right in the middle now for whatever reason. Um.

897
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: But when I did pick up that shed, I was

898
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: actually surprised. It was much smaller than I had anticipated. Um.

899
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: And um yeah, I was like wow. So I wasn't

900
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: too bummed out. It was like this is great, Um,

901
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: he'll have he'll have another year to grow potentially and

902
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: get bigger. Um. He's just not he's not that not

903
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: as big as we all thought he really was, which

904
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, like I'd already hit on his body size

905
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: was much smaller than most year and I guess that's

906
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: why I thought he was a lot bigger than he

907
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: was at five and a half. So the new middle

908
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: of the farm range he was living, now, Um, was

909
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: there a different betting area that he that he tended

910
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: to be using. Was there anything different about that terrain

911
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: there that you think maybe attracted him? Uh? Like described

912
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: to me this new zone he was in. So for

913
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: the most part, the middle of the forum, there's like

914
00:46:55,120 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: a lot of open terrain um basically like pray airy

915
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: slash savannah openness that just has a lot of warm

916
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: season grasses, a lot of tall native species that are

917
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: growing up. It's like there's just great cover, they're great

918
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: habitat um And I assume that's what drew him in.

919
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: And so then the destination food sources are the agg

920
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: fields that I'm talking about, and they all pretty much

921
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: are on the perimeters of the farm. So the center

922
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: of the farm for the most part, is where all

923
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: the great the best habitat is, where like the bedding

924
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: and all that would be. And then we have some

925
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: food plots intermingled, and then we have staging plots that

926
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: may go to these um to these destination food sources

927
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: and these agg fields. These destination food sources aren't what

928
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: we set up. That's just what was there when when

929
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: my dad bought the farm, so that that's the reason

930
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: that it's set up that way, which I'm fine with.

931
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: I enjoy that like for the most part, because then

932
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, the general bettings tends to

933
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: be in the middle of the farm and then the

934
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: deer move outward as the evening progresses. That interior of

935
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: all that grassy savannah stuff, it sounds awesome. Did you

936
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: guys make that or improve that? Or is that a

937
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: natural pasture that just grew up after he gets bothered

938
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: or how did that get there? So, um, it was there,

939
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: but um it was kind of a mixture between um

940
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: some cool season like fescues and um some warm season

941
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: native stuff that was there. But immediately that was one

942
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: of the first few things that we did was start

943
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: to burn it off. And then we've we've treated some um,

944
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: some invasive species in there to try to knock those

945
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: back and then just basically help progress the native habitat

946
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: that's there. But for the most part, like we have

947
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: not gone in and like planted any specific species within

948
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: those areas. We've just helped promote them natively through through fire.

949
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: Really that's about it. Okay, this off season then to spring,

950
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: did you have any other changes to habitat? Given like

951
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: he's there again, you're hoping he's going to be this great,

952
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: big six and a half yield giant. Was there anything

953
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: you did different from the habitat perspective or even I

954
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: guess prep work two. Did you start setting any new

955
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: stands or setting up blinds or anything different leading into

956
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: that year when you're planning and setting the stage for

957
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: this hunt after this year? Um? Not really. We did

958
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: treat um some invasive stuff which was like multi floral

959
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: rose um throughout the timber, but that wasn't specifically for him. UM.

960
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: But no, actually I really didn't. UM. You know, I

961
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: tried my best to plant those get those staging plots

962
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: UM set up differently, like the one staging plot that

963
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: he had often used used in years past to enter

964
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: that that one I had field where I typically always

965
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: gave him, Um, I split it in half this year,

966
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: so it was it was all Clover last year. This year,

967
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm gonna try this differently.

968
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna split this thing half. It's like an acre

969
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: acre and a half food plut on to split in

970
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: half and New Braska's on one side and then leave

971
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: Clover on the other. So then he has, um, he

972
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: really has a choice which everyone he would like to

973
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: hit or the deer would like to hit prior to

974
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: go into that that agg field. And that was about

975
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: the only thing I did differently. And it did not

976
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: pan out well at all. We had the driest year

977
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: that we've had in a very very long time. So

978
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: um it changed things drastically, And UM, you know, I

979
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: really didn't. I didn't have anything too much differently that

980
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: I that I had done this past offseason. Um, I

981
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: just based on my my previous knowledge. I'm thinking, are

982
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: you going into this year, I'm gonna we're gonna have

983
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: a great shot at him. And in hindsight, like I

984
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: remember my dad and I talking about, it was really

985
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: just it was mainly focused. Our focus was for my

986
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: dad to shoot him, to be honest, and um, because

987
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: he'd almost gotten an opportunity yet him there um last

988
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: fall and and whatnot. And it is his farm, so

989
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: like that in mind, So it's like I don't we

990
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: don't ever like are you or fight or anything like

991
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: that over um, you know who gets to hunt water whatever.

992
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: I obviously try to give him first DIBs on stuff,

993
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: um since it you know, I wouldn't have it if

994
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't for him and my mom. So, um, back

995
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: to that staging plot real quick, despite that not working

996
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: out with the moisture. Um, what are the you've mentioned

997
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: having several of these staging plots? Is it? Am I

998
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: right to assume that when you say staging plot, this

999
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: is the kind of plot that you're more often planning

1000
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: on hunting as they transition through to the destination. So

1001
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: if if I'm right about that, how do you or

1002
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: do you at all design them in such a way

1003
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: to make them more huntable? Yeah, so you're right, it

1004
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: is a staging plot. So like for for them going

1005
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: to that destination food source, it's essentially set up to

1006
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: where they would, um, they would come out of their

1007
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: bedding area, they would hit this food plot and then

1008
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: from there just walk right out of that basically into

1009
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: the destination food source and go out into that agg

1010
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: field and in that instance, it's great. It's set up

1011
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: perfectly so like if you don't end up getting a shot,

1012
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: most of the deer have already left this food plot

1013
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: and headed into their destination food source, so you can

1014
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: get out of there without interfering um with deer movement

1015
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: or spooking all the deer off. UM. There's a road

1016
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: that goes along the southern edge of it, like just

1017
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: a path for us to either drive a truck or

1018
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: um for whether or whatever you want to drive down

1019
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: that um to get to that agg field. That's the

1020
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: access and right next to that is the food plot,

1021
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of triangular shaped, and really that

1022
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: has to do with the way the terrain lays, and

1023
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: that's the only flat portion of that area because then

1024
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: it leads into like a hillside that goes upwards and UM.

1025
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: And so that's the reason that it's shaped that way.

1026
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: It's really the flattest area we could fit the most

1027
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: um food in in that particular area. And so it's

1028
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: also set up perfectly to hunt with a north wind

1029
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: where your wind is blowing obviously to the south where

1030
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: the access where we're accessing from, so your wind is

1031
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: blowing right back to where you park your truck or

1032
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: whatever to get there, where you walk in from, or

1033
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: you can kind of hunt it on a west wind

1034
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: where it's somewhat blowing out into the destination food source.

1035
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: But at that point you're hoping that you're either going

1036
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: to get your shot at the animal that you're hunting um,

1037
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: or you're kind of you're kind of screwed for the

1038
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: most part, because they're gonna get past you, and then

1039
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: some other deer may get past you and you may

1040
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: end up spooking the mall or whatever. So it's typically

1041
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: often it's it's ideally set up for a north or

1042
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: northwest wind. Okay, um summer, then you you you know,

1043
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: you did your work, you planned your plots, did some burning,

1044
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: You've got your stuff out, you've got your stands ready,

1045
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: you've got trail cameras out in your usual locations. When

1046
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: you're thinking about the year coming up, the season coming up.

1047
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned you never did get summer pictures

1048
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: of him um, but let's say we're still kind of

1049
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: middle of the summer, so you're not too worried about

1050
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: that yet. If I were to ask you at this

1051
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: point in the summer of what was Caesar's weakness, Like,

1052
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: what was the thing about him that you thought would

1053
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: lead to you getting a shot, whether that be like

1054
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: a spot you thought he'd be vulnerable, or a tendency

1055
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: or something you learned about him. Was there something that

1056
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: you had identified it for this point that you thought

1057
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: would be that silver bullet for you? Pre Rut. Absolutely

1058
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: I thought I would have absolutely had my best chances

1059
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: at him pre Rut just because um, you know I would.

1060
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: I would get him early season and throughout the summer.

1061
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: But it was nothing that was like super patternable. There

1062
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: was nothing consistent. I didn't I didn't have it like

1063
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: a defined game plan where I thought, all right, the

1064
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: season is opening September, I'm going to have my best

1065
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: shot at killing him. Right years I didn't. I did

1066
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: not have that um up until I mean even from

1067
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: the age of two and a half to six and

1068
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: a half, there was never a like a September where

1069
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: I would have been like, oh yeah, he was so

1070
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: patternable then there. I never had that. So he was

1071
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: very sporadic. So I thought, you know what, I'm getting

1072
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: him on scrapes very very consistently every year in October,

1073
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: like late late October pre rod, like he's going to

1074
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: be on a pattern. He's just you know, doing his thing,

1075
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, setting his territory, waiting for that first dough

1076
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: to come into heat, and you know that that's gonna

1077
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: be my best shot. Um. And so that was really

1078
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: my my main game plan for him, um going into

1079
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: this pass ball. So would you have avoided or was

1080
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: the game plan heading into the fall to completely avoid

1081
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: his area until then or were you still gonna try

1082
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: to hunt around there hoping he would show and then

1083
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: you know if you didn't, you'd still have that late October,

1084
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 1: you know in your back pocket. Yeah, So my game

1085
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: plan with not having photos of him through the song

1086
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: or what's I was really not focusing on him because

1087
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I have you know, five or

1088
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: six cameras in that general area where where he's always been.

1089
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: If I don't have him that by now over the

1090
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: last two months, like he's not there, Like I'm very well,

1091
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: very well just confident that he's not. He's not he's

1092
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: either dead or not on the farm, like not there.

1093
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: And so I really didn't have a game plan for

1094
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,479
Speaker 1: him then. And I wasn't gonna hunt over there because

1095
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,479
Speaker 1: there was nothing else anyways that I that I wanted

1096
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: to shoot or um or of that age class five

1097
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: and a half year old buck. So I was like,

1098
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna waste my time with going over there,

1099
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: and I didn't um, And there was just one other

1100
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: deer that we were targeting, and so I was I

1101
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: was spending my time on the other end of the

1102
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: farm when I when I was there to hunt. Okay,

1103
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: so you're hunting this other deer, you kind of gave

1104
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: up on Caesar. What was was that? Is this is

1105
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: this something that you've experienced enough times now with a

1106
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: deer you're excited about disappearing that this was like, well

1107
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: on the next one, keep on going? Or did this

1108
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: were you Were you really disappointed or was this kind

1109
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: of like this is just how it is? I was

1110
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: disappointed for sure. Um, there's there's one other duer that

1111
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: I can think of that um that made it to

1112
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: five and a half of I almost killed one year.

1113
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: UM just never ended up getting a shot at and

1114
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: he you know, I picked up the sheds and everything

1115
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: and then nothing never saw him ever again. And so

1116
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: I had that in the back of my mind, like

1117
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: all right, well that's kind of what just happened to Caesar,

1118
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: don't I you know, I really don't have any closure, Like,

1119
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, Um, you know, I guess maybe he

1120
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: could have possibly been hit by a car or you know,

1121
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: died from from disease or HD something like that. Um,

1122
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: And I just so yeah, I just it was I

1123
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: was definitely definitely bummed out, but I had pretty well

1124
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: just written it off that he was gone. Um. Other

1125
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like I pulled my cameras or

1126
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: anything like that, but I was just like, you know,

1127
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: my focus was elsewhere. Yeah, alright, So we get to

1128
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: October and you're hunting another deer and then you wake

1129
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: up with the middle of night, you check your trail

1130
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: cameras and he's back. Yeah, you can't sleep. You're waiting

1131
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: for Chandler to get up in the morning to tell him.

1132
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: What did you do that next morning when you were

1133
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: awake and you were ready to figure something out. Did

1134
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: you immediately say, all right, forget the other buck, we

1135
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta figure out what Caesar is doing or

1136
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: what What was the thought process and what did you

1137
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: do that next day? The thought process did not change

1138
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: at all. So well, the thought process changed, but the

1139
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: game plan. The strategy did not change because he showed

1140
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: up on the camera right there in this quote, not

1141
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: not the clover plot where I had typically always gotten him.

1142
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: He was on the other end of the farm again

1143
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: well well really where I had never ever gotten him. Um,

1144
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: but I was are we were already planning on hunting

1145
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: there because this other buck was there, and I was,

1146
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: you know, this is another buck that I really wasn't

1147
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: that big in probably like a um, nothing in comparison

1148
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: to Caesar. But I did not have pictures of this

1149
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: other deer um in years past. He looked to be

1150
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: pretty giant bodied size, like an old deer that I

1151
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: don't know, and I just, I guess just happened to

1152
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: wander in and move into that area. Anyhow, that was

1153
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: the exact same camera that I got Caesar on in

1154
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and I'm like, we're already

1155
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: planning on going there, um, not that morning, but that

1156
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: that coming afternoon, Like we're gonna be there hopefully he's there.

1157
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: This is incredible. It's like this ghost just appeared, um,

1158
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, out of the blue, and uh, this is great.

1159
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: He and he really he didn't appear to have put

1160
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: on a whole lot, Caesar. Um, but that at that

1161
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: point it didn't matter. I mean, my mind was already

1162
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: made up anyways, like we wouldn't It wasn't gonna change

1163
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: it anyways, even if he had gotten smaller, like it

1164
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: was more about the story in the age of the

1165
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: animal and just everything that had gone into it to be,

1166
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, to want to shoot this deer. So that

1167
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: next day or so, did you So you hunted that night? Right? Correct? Yeah? Okay,

1168
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: So that night you go out to hunt this tree

1169
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: that you dared have been planning and hunting for the

1170
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: big bodied but now Caesar's back, He's in the same zone.

1171
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: So that evening when you sat up, when you set up,

1172
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: did you have a thought in your mind about what

1173
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: you would do if the big body new buck showed up.

1174
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't shoot him. So that was Caesar bust. Yeah. Yeah.

1175
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: And and I also do have to keep you know,

1176
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: make sure you guys know this. So I I showed

1177
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: my dad right away and um the next morning, and

1178
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,959
Speaker 1: he's like, you shoot him, like I thought you wanted

1179
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: to shoot him. He's like, yeah, I do, but you

1180
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: know you shoot him? Well okay, And so you know,

1181
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: like it's a good dad. Yeah, I'm like, I don't

1182
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: really want to do this, Like it's kind of his buck,

1183
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, for the most part, to hunt. And so

1184
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: we hunted there, and sure enough, he didn't show up,

1185
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: and I can't remember exactly what happened if um, well,

1186
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: the wind shifted and we're like, wow, we're not gonna

1187
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: hunt there anymore. And I think we went home. Um

1188
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: after that, well, like in the next few days, my

1189
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: dad had already him and my mom had planned a

1190
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: vacation and so they left and went out of town.

1191
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,959
Speaker 1: And at that point, I'm like, all right, this steers here.

1192
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: He's told me to shoot him. He's not even he's

1193
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: clearly not able to hunt. He's gonna be gone for

1194
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: over a week. I'm going to hunt this deer. And

1195
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: so that was the game plan moving forward, and um,

1196
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: I'll just get straight to it. Really like shortly after that,

1197
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: I think I maybe got him one more time on

1198
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: that camera. Right after that, Um was that a daylight

1199
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: picture or still nighttime? Nighttime? We came back and I

1200
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: started hunting him there again, and while we were hunting there,

1201
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: he ended up moving straight back into like his core

1202
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: area where he would had always been like in years past,

1203
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: not the middle of the farm, but over on the

1204
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: end of that he was I was most familiar with

1205
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: him being and where everything was pretty much set up

1206
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: like specifically for him. Um, he had moved over there,

1207
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: and so I couldn't have been more excited because I'm like,

1208
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: all right, he's back to his home turf, like this

1209
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: is mid October. Like i feel like I've got him,

1210
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, pretty well patterned, like you know he granted

1211
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: he's only been there once, like based on everything I

1212
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: know leading up to this point in years past, like

1213
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: I feel like he's like settled in. There's really no

1214
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: other buck in that area that's gonna mess with him.

1215
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: Like he's he's top dog, Like he's caees hear he,

1216
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: this is his spot, Like he's gonna he's gonna stick

1217
01:02:48,800 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: around here. Ye all right. So if if I'm in

1218
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: a situation like this and I've got this buck that

1219
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: showed back up, and I'm sitting there in the middle

1220
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: of the day trying to think about where I'm gonna

1221
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: hunt the next or that evening, i am like looking

1222
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: at the wind direction, of course, I'm looking at the temperature.

1223
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Okay, you know the conditions right, is

1224
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: the wind right? And then I'm trying to make like

1225
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: the best guests like, oh, well, he could be betting

1226
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: in this specific spot maybe, and he might be betting

1227
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: there in this little corner over here. So then I'm

1228
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: trying to like go back and forth between like which

1229
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: one of these possible betting areas he might be in.

1230
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: And then I'm thinking about, well, with the wind direction,

1231
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: where's the best place I could hunt based on where

1232
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go. And and then I'm debating

1233
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: like this trailer, this trailer, this food source or this

1234
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: food store, like I'm going through all these million different things. Um,

1235
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: what does that process look like for you when you

1236
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: are there, like the day of the hunt and let's

1237
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: let's hypothetically say the next hunt you had when he

1238
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: came back to his core and now you're like, okay's

1239
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: back in the spot I'm comfortable with. Can you give

1240
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: me like the detailed nitty gritty as much as you

1241
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: remember about how you were choosing where to hunt that

1242
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: first night back in the core area. Yeah, so, um,

1243
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: with it being mid October, I was like, all right,

1244
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: weather patterns, like looking at the forecast ahead, Like I'm thinking, like,

1245
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna play it safe. It's not it's

1246
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: not like, well, let's just dive right into the woods

1247
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,919
Speaker 1: and try and kill him right where, you know, stories betting,

1248
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: Like let's just hunt these food sources in hopes that

1249
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: he comes out there. UM, and I do need to

1250
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: keep um reiterate, Like so when I did get photos

1251
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: of him over there, it was right at last light

1252
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: in that staging plot. UM, So I'm like, he's he's

1253
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: hit the staging plot right at last light. Like he's

1254
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: pretty much killable right there. Like let's play it safe

1255
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: and not right in that that general area and um,

1256
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: and try to kill him there because it's not very intrusive. Um.

1257
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: You know, he just got back to there for that

1258
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: that I can at least from what I can tell, UM,

1259
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to go in and blow him out

1260
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: of there, so we'll play it somewhat safe. And so

1261
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: that was really that was the game plan. But I'm

1262
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: looking ahead at the weather and I'm saying, like, all right,

1263
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: for October, there's a pretty good cold front coming, Like

1264
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: our odds are very very good that he'll show up

1265
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: into this food plot in daylight if he's already done

1266
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: it prior to this cold front hitting like, odds are

1267
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: likely he's going to be there in daylight after this

1268
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: this front passes, and so um, that was really our

1269
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,479
Speaker 1: game plan in the next coming days ahead. So walk

1270
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: me through what happened on those that that next hunter

1271
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: several hunts leading into what it will happen. We went

1272
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: in and hung a stand right there, basically intercepting him

1273
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: as he would enter that that agg field right off

1274
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: the side of that that staging plot. I could see

1275
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: the staging plot to my left. I think we had

1276
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: a north west maybe a northwest wind, and so I'm like,

1277
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: all right, well we'll hunt off to the side of

1278
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: it here where like there's a path. We the path

1279
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: that we drive in like leads straight into the field, um,

1280
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: the agg field, and um, like I said, we can

1281
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: see into the staging plot. There's a scrape right there,

1282
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: a giant scrape. I put a camera on it. As

1283
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,959
Speaker 1: we're hanging the stand, I'm like, all right, we'll hunt here,

1284
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: um this or tomorrow evening and then like the next

1285
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: few days because we have the right wind and everything

1286
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: as this front passes, So we set the camera there

1287
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: this is just a regular This isn't a cell camera anything,

1288
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: but like you know, you could clearly tell that the

1289
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: box were just like annihilating the scrape, Like I'll have

1290
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: a good shot at him if he if he comes

1291
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: to the scrape or like right enters the field right here,

1292
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: like he's in range. And so that was our game

1293
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: plan moving forward. And um, two quick questions for you further. First,

1294
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: how do you get out of a spot like this, um?

1295
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 1: Because I know you mentioned like where the staging plot.

1296
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: Hopefully they've moved off to these destination food plots before

1297
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: you leave. Button. I feel like I also remember you

1298
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: saying that these these destination food sources on the outside

1299
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: of the property, So how do you get past them

1300
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: to get out to the road or where where you are?

1301
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: Is there a back doorway you can get out or

1302
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: how do you handle that exit? So like this is

1303
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: actually this field is in a valley, um, And so

1304
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: Whey Park is on the top of the hill a

1305
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: little ways away, Like you can't see it from the field,

1306
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: and you can't see the field from the road or

1307
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: anything like that. But um, we're hunting it with the

1308
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: north wind, so you're walking straight north or west wind

1309
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: and you're pretty much walking straight into the wind to

1310
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 1: get to this, so there is potential that you could

1311
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: have deer behind you. UM him specifically, I didn't believe

1312
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: was coming from that direction, so I wasn't too worried

1313
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: about it. We had some doves come in from behind us,

1314
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: and they actually did not spook or anything. Um. They

1315
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,439
Speaker 1: came right through and um and walked by. But yeah,

1316
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: that's our our plan of attack. When we went in

1317
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: to hang the stand, we accessed it the exact same

1318
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: way we hunt and everything. You're not you're not jumping

1319
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: any deer. You're walking down the road that you um

1320
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: that you access the field with anyway, So you're walking

1321
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: down that that road anyways. Then you peel off and

1322
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: you go into the woods a little bit to get

1323
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: to the stand. UM. And in that area where we

1324
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: peel off of our interior road to get to that stand,

1325
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: it's about fifty sixty yards or so. And so we hanged,

1326
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: we hung the stand, hung the camera, and in our

1327
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: way out, Channe and I both used our boots to

1328
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: clear like every single leaf off of that are walking like,

1329
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: so it's just bare ground UM walking in and out

1330
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: to make it even quieter um for really just for

1331
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: access on the way in, and if you don't end

1332
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: up getting a shot, you can potentially hopefully get out.

1333
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 1: And my theory like on this farm particularly, there's a

1334
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: decent sized deer density um decent sized deer heard, so

1335
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: there's quite a few deer. Um, it's it's very tough

1336
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 1: to get out without speaking dear. But if it's not

1337
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: the you know, if it's not the particular dear you're hanging,

1338
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm not that worried about it usually, And my like

1339
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: way of really getting around that, I feel like, don't

1340
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: know if it's like it's not foolproof or anything, but

1341
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: oftentimes when I'm wanting to get out and like I

1342
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: have a few deer in front of me, I'll end

1343
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,759
Speaker 1: up playing like, uh, like a coyote howl on my phone.

1344
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: It sounds funny, but pretty much every night at dusk,

1345
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: like the coyotes all sound off. So it's it's a

1346
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: normal occurrence. And you know, I'm not saying that it's

1347
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: it's the best absolute answer to spook deer off, but

1348
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: it seems to work well for me and um. Fortunately

1349
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: that first night, UM, I didn't have to spook any off,

1350
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 1: and we didn't end up getting a shot. Um, so

1351
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: we were able to just climb down quickly. We left

1352
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 1: everything as far as our not our cameras, but like

1353
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: our tree arms, everything else. Um in the tree. We

1354
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: didn't tear anything down. We literally just grab our packs,

1355
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: throw the cameras in there, and climb right out as

1356
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: quick as we can't leave, just like most normal hunters would.

1357
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: So um, we were able to get out of there

1358
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: very quickly that first night without spooking anything that we're

1359
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: aware of. Yeah, now about picking the tree, Um, I'm

1360
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: always curious when you're picking the tree. One of the

1361
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: things I'm always constantly debating is this this kind of

1362
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: give and take between picking the spot that's the closest

1363
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: to range to the perfect place where I think that

1364
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: deer is most likely to come through, versus you know,

1365
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: trying to pick a tree that maybe is got a

1366
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: little more cover or is down wind of more of

1367
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: the deer activity. You know, very at least, you know,

1368
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: sometimes you find the perfect tree that has it all,

1369
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,799
Speaker 1: But most situations you have to kind of make choices.

1370
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 1: You can't get all five of the perfect criteria you want.

1371
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: You might have to do three out of five or

1372
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: whatever it is, UM, So can you kind of tell me?

1373
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: First off, you know, what did this specific tree set

1374
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: up look like? How did you pick this tree? Why

1375
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,799
Speaker 1: was this the tree the place to be? And then secondly,

1376
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: more generically, you know, if you had to choose between

1377
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: a tree that is in easy range of the very

1378
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: best like crossing of trails or whatever it might be

1379
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: with the scrape, or pick a tree that's a little

1380
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: bit further away but has better cover better wind, which

1381
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 1: of those, more generically would you pick? So wind is

1382
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: always the first, um, the first factor that I always

1383
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: weigh on. And with this particular tree, like the wind

1384
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 1: set up pretty dayn good for it. Um. With this

1385
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 1: being a valley, I'm always concerned with the wind swirling,

1386
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: and I was pretty confident with the northwest wind that

1387
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: it wouldn't because it would in my mind theory wise,

1388
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, all right, this this tree line, UM runs

1389
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 1: east to west. If the wind is coming in out

1390
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: of the northwest, it's going to kind of hit this

1391
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: tree line and carry off towards my southeast, which is

1392
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: where some deer might potentially come. But for the most part,

1393
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: that is not where the bulk of the deer coming

1394
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: from there, coming from the northwest. I'm not I'm thinking, like,

1395
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: all right, this is gonna be perfect for the wind direction. Um,

1396
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: I shouldn't. I definitely don't think I'm gonna spook him.

1397
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: And if I spook anything, it's just gonna be a

1398
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: few doughs or something like that. I'm not not concerned,

1399
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: and I think it's great. It's set up perfect then. Um,

1400
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:08,520
Speaker 1: So that that was my main factor that I'm factoring in. Secondly,

1401
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: like this group of trees was like some cotton woods,

1402
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: and maybe like some I don't know, there's like some

1403
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: birch trees in there as well. It like kind of

1404
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: stick out a little bit into the field, just a

1405
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: little bit, maybe like five ten yards further than the

1406
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: rest of the tree line for whatever reason. And so

1407
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: it kind of like positions you outward a little bit

1408
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: into the field for a closer shot. Um where the

1409
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: where it kind of pinches down where these deer are

1410
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: entering this field, and then that's right where that scrape is.

1411
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: So I'm like it it's just the perfect setup. Um.

1412
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,759
Speaker 1: The cotton woods are tall trees. Yes, they're pretty barren

1413
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: um just because they don't throw out a ton of

1414
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: branches and there they're the trunks you know, are pretty

1415
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: straight going upwards. But I was like, we can get up.

1416
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 1: There are ways, and I'm not going to get out

1417
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: on that lead cotton wood that's sitting out right on

1418
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: the edge. I'm gonna use it as a sense of cover,

1419
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,560
Speaker 1: and we're gonna hang in the tree that's right with

1420
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: the cotton went right behind it. And so that was

1421
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: in the video you can see that's exactly what we did.

1422
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: Like we used that that one in front of me

1423
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: as like cover. I hung my bow on it. I

1424
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: could kind of like I feel like I could kind

1425
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 1: of get in line with it. So my body, like

1426
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: my my outline lines up with the tree. Well, um,

1427
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: and I'm not sticking out too much. And that's another

1428
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: thing that I look at as well as all oftentimes. Um,

1429
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: when I'm hanging a stand, I'll go out to where

1430
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: I believe I'm going to potentially get my shot at

1431
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: and look back at the tree for my my backdrop.

1432
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: And in this instance, my backdrop was fine. Well, Chandler

1433
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: was a little bit higher than I because that's how

1434
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 1: we set up for our camera setups. Um, so he's

1435
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: kind of like shooting over my shoulder and my head

1436
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. He was a little bit skyline. He

1437
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: didn't have the backdrop that I did, um, and so

1438
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: thankfully he was even he was set up kind of

1439
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: behind the tree that we're hung in, so he had

1440
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: not only the one in front of me, but also

1441
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: the tree that's behind me as his cover as well.

1442
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: So he he used to hide behind some too. But um,

1443
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: we did in fact figure out that, like some of

1444
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: these deer work, we're spotting him or me just because

1445
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: we didn't have the best backdrop. But um, thankfully, with

1446
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: the wind that we had, I think we had a

1447
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: ten fifty our wind, with all the leaves and branches

1448
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: kind of moving around it, it ended up hiding us

1449
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: well and breaking us up. But yeah, really that the

1450
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: positioning of this one, being able to get up high,

1451
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: having a good backdrop in that tree in front of me,

1452
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: great wind, and then positioning close to that scrape and

1453
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: the trails entering the field, it seemed to be the

1454
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: you know, the absolute perfect set up. Next question, then,

1455
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: did you get any more sell pictures of him between

1456
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: the time you got that first picture of him back

1457
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: in his core area and when you killed him? I

1458
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: believe I did. I think I got one in the

1459
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: middle of the night of him hitting that that same

1460
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: scrape on the cell cam. Um. That really just like

1461
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, gave me reassurance like, Okay, he's uh, he's there,

1462
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 1: so you know, I mean, I believe he's settled in. Um.

1463
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 1: I'm looking back right now actually as I'm sitting, Yeah,

1464
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: I did. I got him the next the next um,

1465
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: early early morning, at like one thirty am. UM, so

1466
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 1: I knew that he had, you know, most likely settled

1467
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: into there. And then I had also set so on

1468
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: that scrape in front of me. I had put a

1469
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: trail camera on video mode, which I wasn't gonna check.

1470
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not checking that, Like I'm not

1471
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna walk over there. Um, it's just there for my reference,

1472
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: like just to know if he's hitting that scrape. I'll

1473
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: check it later on. Well after I ended up killing him,

1474
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 1: I checked it, and he was all over that thing,

1475
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: um all the time throughout the night. So but anyway, anyhow, Yeah,

1476
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 1: I just I was still very very very confident that

1477
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: he was in the area. I was like, he's I

1478
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna leave. What do you think you

1479
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: would have done. And I know this is you know, hindsight,

1480
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: but if so, let's say you hunted that spot that

1481
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: first night when which you didn't see him. If that

1482
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: night you were to have gotten a picture of him

1483
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: back in the middle of the farm in the other

1484
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: spot he'd been at, you know, over the last period

1485
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: of time, would that have changed your plan at all?

1486
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: Do you think? Or would you have still stuck with

1487
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: the scrape set up because you liked everything else about it.

1488
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: I would have stuck with it, just um, given the

1489
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: fact of like his history, and um, there's been hand

1490
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: plenty of times where I've gotten photos of deer there

1491
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: in the middle of the farm one evening, and then

1492
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: the following evening I get him not like the complete

1493
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: opposite end of the farm, but down where he was at.

1494
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: So like it's probably like I would say, like a

1495
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: half a mile to that area down there, and really

1496
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: like I remember when we first started hunting his place,

1497
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: and like I don't know, like that there's a deer

1498
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: herd here in the middle and there's a deer herd

1499
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: down there. Well not really like it's not that that's

1500
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: not far for a deer to travel at all, Like

1501
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: and this farm has really opened up my vision of

1502
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 1: how far deer actually travel. They're all different, all all

1503
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: their movements and couriers are different from one another. But

1504
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: as far as like they're traveling goes, they traveled much

1505
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: further than I had um, I had ever anticipated and

1506
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: really given them credit to travel. And then when you

1507
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: really think about us as humans, like if we want

1508
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 1: to go walk a half a mile, that's like really

1509
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: nothing like walking half a mile is not that far

1510
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: at all. For a year to go half a mile's like,

1511
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean that that's nothing at all to them. Yeah, yeah,

1512
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: so true. So what happened next? So yeah, we ended

1513
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: up hunting them again the following evening, and um, that

1514
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: cold front had completely passed and like we had pretty

1515
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: steady wind. It was like a fifteen mile per hour wind,

1516
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: but given we were down in the valley, it's a

1517
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: little bit less. Um, and I went, I want to

1518
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,919
Speaker 1: say it was in the thirties. Um for mid October.

1519
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: That was that's pretty chilly for me, at least for

1520
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: us in Missouri. And um, he came out gosh an

1521
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: hour before sunset into that that staging plot. We could

1522
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: see him over there, and given we had such a

1523
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 1: terrible drought like the Braskas that I had planned. We're

1524
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: not really there, but something had I mean, they were there,

1525
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 1: I guess because the deer were hitting that and that's

1526
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: what he was hitting. Like he he transitioned and moved

1527
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: over to moved over to the clover right next to

1528
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: it for a little bit, but for the most part

1529
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: he was sticking to that brasket plot that didn't come

1530
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: in very well, and the other deer were as well.

1531
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: He ended up kind of feeding off where we couldn't

1532
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: see him because we're kind of looking. We're looking through

1533
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: some trees where where we can see him at and

1534
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: we can't see him all that well, but we're getting

1535
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: bits and pieces he might be in an opening. And

1536
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,959
Speaker 1: then he kind of goes away. And then it appeared

1537
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: that he kind of left. We had some deer just

1538
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: gets like really skittish and spook off of the act

1539
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 1: field because of the wind, like it was just blown

1540
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: and they just got nervous and left, which is kind

1541
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: of domino effected to him. And I'm like, all right,

1542
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: it's over. He's probably leaving, and he was. He would

1543
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: He watched the deer spook off, stood there and stood

1544
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: there for like five minutes just watching everything head up,

1545
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: like looking around, kind of just scanning the whole area,

1546
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: and then he finally calmed down. That happened. They ended

1547
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: up happening twice, and then um, he fed off and

1548
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: it looked like he went up to where that cell

1549
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: camera was at and was possibly hitting the scrape. We

1550
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: couldn't quite tell where we were at, and ended up

1551
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 1: um we thought maybe leaving, and then probably right at

1552
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,799
Speaker 1: a little after sunset. Um, some deer kind of trickled

1553
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: in from that that staging plot, and then Chandler was

1554
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: able to see him kind of coming back in that

1555
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: staging plot. I'm like, all right, like he's coming um

1556
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: and he was at like eighty at that point, I believe,

1557
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: and then he like another younger deer and a three

1558
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: year old came in and we're kind of like one

1559
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: of them hit the scrape. I think it was a

1560
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: three year old. And then they worked in and that

1561
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: was kind of like the the deciding factor for him.

1562
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: I think he knew that other buck was hitting that

1563
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,520
Speaker 1: scrape and just you know, they're starting to get territorial.

1564
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: That was when that was really just what drew him

1565
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 1: right in and he came through, walked behind my camera,

1566
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: did not go down the trail leading right to that scrape.

1567
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: I didn't even hit the scrape, went right around it

1568
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: like a few, like a few yards, and stood right

1569
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: there in front of it, and was standing there just

1570
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: looking around and like ate a little bit, like ate

1571
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 1: some corn in the field there. And then um that

1572
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: was like he's at twenty six yards and that's that's

1573
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: where I shot him at. Describe to me your self

1574
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: talk in those moments as he was coming out of

1575
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:39,919
Speaker 1: the woods heading out into the field and you realized

1576
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm getting a shot. Were you just like an autopilot

1577
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 1: locked in? You weren't thinking about anything except for just

1578
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, wait until he stops, drawback anchor do the thing.

1579
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: Were you freaking out and trying to calm yourself down

1580
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 1: or anything like that. So when he first stepped out

1581
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,959
Speaker 1: an hour before sunset, I you know, you first a deer,

1582
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: especially when you're you're hunting the one that you're hunting. Um, you,

1583
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: like all of us, do you, You immediately have that

1584
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: adrenaline rush. And when that hit me, like I said,

1585
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 1: it was cold for that time of year, the winds blowing,

1586
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: I thought, I dressed warm, apparently not warm enough. I

1587
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: already had that little shiver going on from being a

1588
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: little bit chilly. Then you added that adrenaline. I had

1589
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: like a massive sugar going on, and so pumped up.

1590
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: I was, like I told afterwards, and like, if you

1591
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: would have came in when we first saw him, I

1592
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:34,799
Speaker 1: don't know if I would have been able to together

1593
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: because I had that combination of being nervous and cold

1594
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: at the same time. I was shaking like a leaf.

1595
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: So um, thankfully he gave me well over an hour

1596
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: to calm myself, gather my thoughts, and by the time

1597
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: he came in, I was all I had in my

1598
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: mind was shot opportunity, just waiting for the perfect moment,

1599
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 1: stay focused, think about what you're doing. Um, you know

1600
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: you've ran this through your mind a hundred times. Part

1601
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: of this like just focus on what's going on, and

1602
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: and you know, shot angle and shot opportunity, and that's

1603
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: that's what happened. And so thankfully, like the way he entered,

1604
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: he entered a little closer than than that scrape for

1605
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: whatever reason, and it's just barely slightly quartered away, if

1606
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 1: not broadside. Um stopped right there at twenty six yards

1607
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: and um, you know I had drawn, he's relaxed. I

1608
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, I asked Chainler to make sure that he's

1609
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: got him what he did, and then, um, you know,

1610
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: just like you practice. It was That's really all it was.

1611
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: Was just it turns into that repetition and mental game

1612
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: of what we practiced for. And so you get the shot.

1613
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,719
Speaker 1: He runs off and he he dropped in sight is there, right? Yeah,

1614
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 1: So he ran right at the edge of the field.

1615
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: He had absolutely no idea because like I didn't have

1616
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: to stop him or anything. He just stopped himself and

1617
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 1: he had zero clue I was there. Um, So when

1618
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: I shot him, he turned and ran and you can

1619
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 1: just see blood starting to pour out immediately just you know,

1620
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: bounds off and stops and you know, stops to look

1621
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: back and looking around, and then it's just the classic

1622
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 1: like you know, just kind of stumble around and fall over,

1623
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: and you know it's like when that whole moment of

1624
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: relief comes on. Um and in that very instance, like

1625
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, wow, this is great, this is incredible. It's

1626
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 1: a it's a really bitter sweet moment. But like in

1627
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: the back line line, I'm like, man, my dad wanted

1628
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 1: this year. I don't know, you know, like you have

1629
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: a little sense of guilt. Um, yeah, it was. It

1630
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: was incredible. And then to be honest, I say bitter

1631
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: sweet because like you've had all those years of that,

1632
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: Like it turns into far more than just shooting a

1633
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: deer and you're like, man, like the whole everything leaning

1634
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: up at this point, Um, there were so many different

1635
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: emotions going on that now it's it's over for him,

1636
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: Like the whole thing's over and he's laying their dad's

1637
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: or like, wow, I just ended that. Like it's pretty,

1638
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: but like stories over, it's sometimes it leaves you a

1639
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: little empty afterwards. You want to you want to keep

1640
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: going almost it does. It's a weird, weird, weird feeling. Um,

1641
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: but you know, thankfully there's more dear to come in

1642
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: our future. Um, we hope. So yeah. So if you

1643
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 1: were to look back over this four years or whatever

1644
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: the total end up being, um, and you were to

1645
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: think through all the decisions you made, the work you did,

1646
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 1: the changes you made to set ups or habitat or

1647
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: the things you did just in the days leading up

1648
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 1: to the hunter or anything. If you had to write

1649
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: down a piece of paper three things that led to

1650
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: you killing that deer, like the top three something's decisions

1651
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: or factors that led to that dear showing up at

1652
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: twenty six yards and you get in a shop, what

1653
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 1: would you write down that piece of paper? Um, one,

1654
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: I would write, Man, it was like divine interventions, so

1655
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: like God man, like I said, prayerwells in the tree,

1656
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that had that had to be

1657
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,480
Speaker 1: part of a very large major factor of it. Um.

1658
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: Otherwise I wouldn't even be on this earth if it

1659
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: wasn't for him. But that was one too for sure.

1660
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 1: Weather like without a doubt, if that weather pattern was

1661
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: not there, like there's no way, Um, I just don't

1662
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: think that it would have happened the way it did.

1663
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: Like the pressure was right the wind um, you know,

1664
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: like that front had passed so it was cool and everything,

1665
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 1: like deer activity was just off the charts that that evening. Um,

1666
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: there were deer everywhere moving and um, so that was

1667
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: a very big deciding factor. And then um the habitat

1668
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 1: and food. I would say we're the number three for sure,

1669
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: like just being able to have, you know, having the

1670
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 1: way that it's all set up with the betting, the

1671
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: staging plot, and destination, food source all being right there,

1672
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: Like it was like the stage was set, will be

1673
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: for him to do what he did, and and and

1674
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: the other deer as well. Um, just for all those

1675
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: things that come together. You know that does would be

1676
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: the three deciding factors. Do you do you feel like

1677
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 1: you learned anything from this, dear? Is there anything that

1678
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 1: you know now you can look back and say, you

1679
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: know what he taught me this? I learned a lot.

1680
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot over this, this entire ball um,

1681
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: I think, you know, having pretty much ten years to

1682
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 1: hunt this form, it's changed drastically. When we first got it, Um,

1683
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: we were just following like a massive killoff I feel

1684
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: like from E H D. So there really wasn't a

1685
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: good age structure at the time. There was still a

1686
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: heavy deer presence, but a lot of does and I

1687
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of that's gotten into check. It's

1688
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:47,799
Speaker 1: changed m quite a bit with that habitat improvements. UM.

1689
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: I feel like it's actually given the deer more variety,

1690
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: and so they've kind of their patterns have changed. I

1691
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: feel like they've kind of spread out, if you will,

1692
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: Like they don't necessarily all take the same exact out

1693
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: of corridors they always used to to take. So with

1694
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 1: things changing, UM like that, it's it's changed my mindset,

1695
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 1: changed my viewpoints each year. UM. And then going into

1696
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: this year, you know you I thought I had this

1697
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: year like completely figured out, UM, thinking he's living. Oh

1698
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: he's right here in the middle of the forum, like

1699
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 1: this is this is perfect, like you know, like I

1700
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: don't think he leaves the farm much at all. Well,

1701
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: clearly he had to have because I didn't have him

1702
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: early on, And I think the majority of that had

1703
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: to do with how dry it was us going through

1704
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: a drought. I don't know where he went. I don't

1705
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: know what he was doing, but he was. I don't

1706
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 1: believe he was there. And I think a lot of

1707
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: it just had to do with how dry it was

1708
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 1: the vegetation, UM, water sources all that, Like, just we

1709
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: have water there, But that doesn't mean that he's always

1710
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: using those ponds and whatnot or lakes whatever to to

1711
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 1: drink from. Maybe he uses a bigger river or stream

1712
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: elsewhere to drink from, UM or whatever. UM. Just something

1713
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 1: changed drastically, And it wasn't just him either that I noticed,

1714
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 1: Like overall, UM, it just seemed like the summer, there

1715
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: were far less deer um summering on the farm, and

1716
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 1: I it has to do with the trout. I would think, Hm,

1717
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: is there any mistake that you could pinpoint that maybe

1718
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: you've made throughout this hunt over the years. Is there

1719
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: anything you can look back on and say, Man, if

1720
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: I hadn't done that, this might have been a short

1721
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: story or anything like that. Um, not really in that aspect,

1722
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 1: Like like I was saying earlier, like I I've I've

1723
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 1: gotten pretty soft when it comes I feel like over

1724
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: the years with when it comes to like killing a deer,

1725
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: like I'm always wanting to like see them go another year.

1726
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: So I don't really think of him think of it

1727
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: as like a mistake necessary now if you if you

1728
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 1: made it to seven and a half. And I'm not

1729
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 1: saying that I want a deer to always get to

1730
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 1: six and a half, but like starting to get to

1731
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: seven and a half eight and have something like that,

1732
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: it's like all right, like he's gonna he's going to

1733
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: get past his prime. But like just being able to

1734
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: see what can happen the following year, I wasn't too

1735
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 1: bummed about sir and the way things turned out, certainly

1736
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 1: but I guess the one mistake that I can think

1737
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: back to that we for sure made, Like my dad

1738
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 1: should have been able to get a shot at this

1739
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: year five and a half, but we did not clear

1740
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: like a branch that was clearly in the way. Um.

1741
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:16,680
Speaker 1: And that is one thing that I need to be

1742
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: better about, for sure in the off season is going

1743
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: in and checking, um shooting lanes more often. I used

1744
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 1: to be really really good about that, UM, but I've

1745
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 1: kind of put it on the wayside, to be honest,

1746
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 1: over the years, and you know, then it comes to

1747
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: be the rut and I'm like, all right, we'll go

1748
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 1: hunt that stand. It's like, oh yeah, I haven't cleared

1749
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,759
Speaker 1: lanes out of there in like two years, sure or whatever.

1750
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 1: And that was a classic example of why you didn't

1751
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: get a shot. So that would definitely I would say

1752
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 1: to be a mistake right there. But UM, as far

1753
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: as like, I don't know, I really wasn't too bummed

1754
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: about him. He was was definitely his biggest um at

1755
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 1: six and a half, and UM, it was just cool

1756
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: to see the story go that long, but um, they

1757
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 1: don't typically often go that long. So I don't know,

1758
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't I wouldn't say there were too many mistakes.

1759
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: It's just it was fun to watch the progression of

1760
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: this animal through the year. Yeah, that's that's pretty awesome

1761
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:05,719
Speaker 1: to get to see that over such a long period

1762
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: and and then to have the perfect ending to wrap

1763
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: it all up. Like you said that that's rare and

1764
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 1: uh special when it happens. So yeah, very seldom, you know,

1765
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 1: like you said, very rare, like most times to end

1766
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: up I don't know, getting shot by someone else or whatever,

1767
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: disease or hit by a car or something like that. Yeah.

1768
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: So so Sean, give us, give folks who haven't seen

1769
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: the film yet, then the plug on where they can

1770
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 1: watch this whole thing and see it play out in

1771
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: real life. Yeah so it um right now, the only

1772
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: place that you can watch it is on our YouTube channel,

1773
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: um just Harlan bow Hunters our YouTube channel, and then

1774
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:46,719
Speaker 1: it's called the Story of Caesar, um Sean's biggest buck

1775
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: to date, So you can find it like they're on

1776
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: our YouTube heck of a Deer. Uh what is the

1777
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: plan with the YouTube channel? You guys are putting out

1778
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 1: a lot more stuff there. It's a lot more like

1779
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 1: full feature length kind of even bigger than the TV

1780
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: episode you guys keep doing that? Is there still going

1781
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 1: to be stuff on regular cable? Can you not talk

1782
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: about this yet? Talk about it? Yea. So we will

1783
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:12,919
Speaker 1: continue to be on the Outdoor Channel as well as motv,

1784
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 1: which is owned by the Outdoor Channel, and UM, we

1785
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,560
Speaker 1: will can also continue to be put placing stuff regularly

1786
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel as well, just because UM, we

1787
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: feel like our audience that is on the Outdoor Channel

1788
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 1: is different than our audience on YouTube, and we've kind

1789
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 1: of neglected our YouTube I would say, over the well,

1790
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 1: they really the the lifespan of it. We've had it,

1791
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: I think for probably almost ten years, and we have

1792
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: not put a lot of our original content on there.

1793
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 1: So what you're seeing on the Outdoor Channel is in

1794
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 1: fact different edits than you'll see on our YouTube channel. UM.

1795
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: Our YouTube channel, we do not have restrictions like you

1796
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: do on TV where it has to be twenty two

1797
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: minutes long. On our YouTube channel, we can. We can

1798
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: tell the story as it is, however long we think

1799
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,799
Speaker 1: it needs to be, or however long the story was, UM.

1800
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: And that's the beauty of it, and we can UM,

1801
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean that that lives there for free as well,

1802
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: so anyone and anyone that has access to the internet

1803
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: can go and watch it, and so it's there. How

1804
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 1: painful is it gonna be to have to edit down

1805
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 1: this story to just twenty two minutes, um, the TV episode. Yeah,

1806
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: I think it'll be uh, yeah, it'll be tough. Um.

1807
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on how you like to retain

1808
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: your your content. Um. I guess if you if you

1809
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,560
Speaker 1: don't like to watch fifty minute films, then maybe you

1810
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,679
Speaker 1: should watch it on TV but where it's twenty two minutes.

1811
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I think based on the feedback

1812
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: we've perceived from the fifty minute one, um, everyone's really

1813
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 1: enjoyed the length of it, just because there was enough

1814
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: content to tell that story in fifteen minutes. But yeah, tough.

1815
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: I feel like, as as the editor, that's going to

1816
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: be very difficult to be like happing to slash this

1817
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: and slash this, and you're like, oh, but that's so

1818
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: important and that was so important. Yeah, I'm glad I'm

1819
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 1: not the one cutting it down to twenty two minutes. Yeah.

1820
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 1: Just just plug your ears, close your eyes, and just

1821
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: let it go. Yeah. So, but that will be the beauty.

1822
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,719
Speaker 1: So like if you see the twenty two minute version

1823
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 1: on TV and you've never seen the full length fifteen

1824
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 1: minute one. I mean I would encourage people if they

1825
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 1: if they see that and they want to see the

1826
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 1: full length and to go right over to our YouTube

1827
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: and watch it there as well. Yeah, it's good stuff.

1828
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys are putting more out there. Um, My,

1829
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 1: my son, actually my we're getting old here. So I've

1830
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 1: got almost five year old son and he's become a

1831
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 1: big fan of the YouTube channel and uh particularly likes

1832
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 1: it when the kids are in the episodes, so like

1833
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: Skyler having his i think his son shot one in

1834
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: an episode and you know, like having the boys come

1835
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: out to help along in different things. He's always like, yeah,

1836
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: show me a kid one day. Let's see a kid

1837
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 1: one So some more of that and my son ever

1838
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 1: will be stoked. That's awesome. Yeah, that's really cool. It's

1839
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 1: it's wild, Like you just said, we are getting old.

1840
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: My I have a three and a half year old

1841
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: and then five month old, and it's I already see

1842
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 1: it because Mike's kids are even old it than your

1843
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 1: son and your oldest and like it's just wild, like

1844
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 1: how fast it changes. And I mean, just like you said,

1845
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, literally what twelve years ago, thirteen years ago

1846
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 1: we were we were at a t A and you

1847
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 1: were sleeping in the back of your car. Life is

1848
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. Well, man, I appreciate you sharing this, telling

1849
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: your story. Um As you know, I've always been a

1850
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 1: fan of you guys work, and you keep on doing

1851
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 1: great stuff. So um M, I'm happy for you guys,

1852
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: and proud to know you and excited to see what

1853
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 1: comes next. Likewise, man, thank you very much for having

1854
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: me on here. I truly appreciate it. And you've definitely

1855
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 1: earned a name for yourself as well. There's no doubt

1856
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 1: about it. It's an honor to be on here. Thanks man,

1857
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 1: We've we've both been fortunate, that's for sure, all right,

1858
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: And that's a rap. Thank you for listening, Thanks for

1859
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: tuning in. If you want more, be sure to follow

1860
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: me over on Instagram at wired to Hunt. That's we're

1861
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:57,480
Speaker 1: gonna see different updates from my hunting life from the outdoors,

1862
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 1: fishing stuff, reading stuff, book lands, conservation, hunting, all sorts

1863
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: of good stuff like that. That's where I share things

1864
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: that are a little bit outside of the norm for

1865
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: the Wired Hunt podcast. So check that out. Check out

1866
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: the Mediator website. Check out the meat eater dot com

1867
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 1: slash wired for all of our Wired Hunt articles. We've

1868
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 1: got lots of great content. They're coming from folks like myself,

1869
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, Alex Gilstrom, Tony Hansen, Beaumartonic, all sorts of

1870
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: really really accomplished white tail hunters sharing their thoughts, lessons

1871
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 1: and ideas in the written format too, So check it out.

1872
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. I appreciate being a part

1873
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 1: of this community, and until next time, stay wired to hun.