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Speaker 1: got a big show for you guys today as the
Speaker 1: Cowboys get back to practice on a Wednesday. Get ready
Speaker 1: for those Seattle Seahawks. How is everybody? I'm good, got
Speaker 1: your new Tommy John guy. You know what I forgot
Speaker 1: to take them out of my back. I actually can
Speaker 1: raise my hand on that one. Yes, I was interested,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I mean I we have them,
Speaker 1: but I kind of like, you know, thank you Tommy
Speaker 1: John for providing him. But yeah, the styles, I mean
Speaker 1: it are you wear? Are you wearing the one with
Speaker 1: the with the cowboy one? Just because it was the
Speaker 1: first one I grabbed out of the pack and say
Speaker 1: John's today, guys too, Should Tom John's over here all right?
Speaker 1: Should I save that for game day? You need to
Speaker 1: be at your best on game day day, but you
Speaker 1: need to be your best every day, isn't there what
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett tells us regardless of circumstance. Yeah, but especially
Speaker 1: on game day. On game day, yeah, okay, to be
Speaker 1: a ten of Yes. No, you can't have no wedgies,
Speaker 1: wedgie free. This is a wedgie free show. This is
Speaker 1: not a seahawk free show. Today they'll start breaking them
Speaker 1: down today. We did a little bit yesterday. I thought, Brian,
Speaker 1: by the way you on on the website today, you're
Speaker 1: gonna start diving into it. You're to have your three
Speaker 1: key guys, right, the Nemesis, the Weapon, and the under
Speaker 1: the radar. So if you can check that out, that
Speaker 1: should be up here in a little bit. I bet
Speaker 1: I know one of them. Give me one of them.
Speaker 1: I bet j Mickey could talk about my first guy,
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas on that list. Nemesis. Yeah, that's yours. I
Speaker 1: think he's my weapon, he's your weapon, he's my webon weapon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the weapon. Well, and I think he's the weapon
Speaker 1: because of what we what we potentially what we went
Speaker 1: through last week with Landing Collins, that if you get
Speaker 1: a guy that plays at some depth that can come
Speaker 1: forward and make tackles and create problems for you, you know,
Speaker 1: with no Cam Chancellor, they don't have that ability. They
Speaker 1: need somebody that sits in the back and and comes
Speaker 1: flying up to make those plays. So that's that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the weapon that they're gonna have to do. He's
Speaker 1: a guy, and we have to be careful with this too. Boys.
Speaker 1: Is if you get uh Dak Prescott running the football,
Speaker 1: you know, and you do the read options and the
Speaker 1: things where he's keeping, that's a little bit different. Cat.
Speaker 1: We saw what happened when Jalen Smith gets ahead of
Speaker 1: steam coming forward. Same thing can happen with Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: coming forward on your quarterback. So I have to be
Speaker 1: a little bit careful about that. Have to be careful
Speaker 1: with him creating turnovers, not only interceptions, but also the fumbles.
Speaker 1: This guy's always ripping at the ball. He's always trying
Speaker 1: to get the ball loose, so runners in piles have
Speaker 1: to be careful with him. He's just still plays at
Speaker 1: a tremendously high level. Missus all the training camp and
Speaker 1: has an interception in Denver game. So that just shows
Speaker 1: you he's always going to be around the football and
Speaker 1: he's always gonna be physical finishing. So those are things
Speaker 1: you have to be worried about with him, and that's
Speaker 1: why I described him as this weapon here for the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: I went back and watched the game for Monday night
Speaker 1: specifically to see him. Now, I didn't have the all
Speaker 1: twenty two, right, I didn't have it either, but so
Speaker 1: it's hard to see the secondary. The stats said he
Speaker 1: had four tackles, two assisted. Yeah, nothing else zeroed out.
Speaker 1: I didn't notice him in the game. I didn't notice
Speaker 1: him make a difference in that game. And I'm looking,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for twenty nine and I see him coming
Speaker 1: in late, standing there watching people make tackles. I saw
Speaker 1: him myself make like three tackles. Yeah. I didn't see
Speaker 1: him force anything. I just he was a no show
Speaker 1: in the game. Now that they didn't play very well defensively,
Speaker 1: and they're missing their linebackers, so that could have something
Speaker 1: to do with it. Yeah. Uh. The guy I would
Speaker 1: worry about is Bobby Wagner. If he's gonna play, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't think. I think. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be back. I think he's gonna play in this game.
Speaker 1: That's the guy I would worry about because they've struggled
Speaker 1: with middle linebackers the last couple of weeks. That is true,
Speaker 1: like getting to the second level block tomorrow, you get matchups,
Speaker 1: so get ready for that. That's that's one of the
Speaker 1: guys I would worry about. But I just didn't see
Speaker 1: anything from Merle that said, boy, I got to give
Speaker 1: up a second round pick for that. Well, you don't. Now,
Speaker 1: you don't have to get up a second round pick
Speaker 1: now if you want to do that. And you know,
Speaker 1: one of my things, I think the question you have
Speaker 1: to ask yourself today is do you feel good enough
Speaker 1: about the safeties that you don't want to make a trade?
Speaker 1: You know, when you when you start bringing up Earl Thomas,
Speaker 1: I still think Earl Thomas is an elite player. Me
Speaker 1: and I understand Mickey what you saw, and I'm not
Speaker 1: as long as people are watching and looking at their
Speaker 1: own eyes, I never I'm not going to question somebody's analysis.
Speaker 1: You know you're you're sitting down yet you know, hell,
Speaker 1: you'll get scouts to sit in a room and look
Speaker 1: at tape together, and you'll have ten different opinions on
Speaker 1: a player. So I'm not considering, say, Mickey, you don't
Speaker 1: know what the hell you're talking about, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think that you have to. I think that you
Speaker 1: you know, you have to look at this, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: this situation with the Cowboys though, and and you know, say, okay,
Speaker 1: what you know, how's it going to roll? You know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: two games in. I mean, especially with the safety spot.
Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, do you feel good enough
Speaker 1: about Cavon Frasier? Do you feel good enough? I mean,
Speaker 1: I've got, like iaid, I've got some questions today and
Speaker 1: I hope we get to them in the second half.
Speaker 1: We will, And I just want to ask you guys
Speaker 1: these things, and hell, I'll ask I'll ask this question
Speaker 1: right now then if if it helps, if it helps
Speaker 1: our discussion. You know who's been a better super sub
Speaker 1: Joe Luniar, Cavon Frasier. You know, if you think of that,
Speaker 1: I mean you and I include Caveon Frasier that because
Speaker 1: the safety I mean, maybe you don't have to go
Speaker 1: get Earl Thomas. Maybe when when when Xavier Woods comes back,
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier will be a good backup guy to have.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's killed him. Through the first two
Speaker 1: weeks this season. I bet I've been impressed with I'd
Speaker 1: say Cavon because I've been impressed with just how many
Speaker 1: snaps he's handled with a shoulder injury. By the way,
Speaker 1: He's never played that many snaps, and he had the
Speaker 1: sack the other night. That's also good scheme. I mean,
Speaker 1: just dialing up those blitzes and that's it is more
Speaker 1: than what we've seen under Rod in the past. I'd
Speaker 1: go with Cavon. Although Joe Luney has has been solid.
Speaker 1: I think, especially in the Giants game, the offensive line
Speaker 1: is ahole did better job. Who is And I don't
Speaker 1: mean to answer a question with a question, but Cavan
Speaker 1: Frasier has surprised me. Oh yeah, surprised you guys by
Speaker 1: not because we all thought, oh, I have another question.
Speaker 1: Surprise most of the line of scrimmage. But he's kind
Speaker 1: of played in coverage. He's I didn't think he had
Speaker 1: the ability to blitz. I didn't think he had the
Speaker 1: ability to cover. I knew he had the ability to
Speaker 1: hit you, yeah that I did know. He made a play,
Speaker 1: broke up a pass in space against Christian McCaffrey in
Speaker 1: Week one, and I said, wow, Okay, I mean that's
Speaker 1: a dimension that we don't hear about with him. You know,
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods is the coverage safety in that group. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe this, I guess the point I'm trying to make
Speaker 1: is maybe this group was right the group, I mean,
Speaker 1: the front office about their safeties. Yeah, they did try
Speaker 1: and get Earl Thomas, but they only tried to get
Speaker 1: Arl Thomas after the Seattle Seahawks allowed him to try
Speaker 1: and get Role Thomas. But there's a there's a side
Speaker 1: of me that and I love Earl Toomas I do.
Speaker 1: I mean, I heck, I'd take Earl Thomas every day.
Speaker 1: But maybe they don't have to take Earl Thomas now,
Speaker 1: maybe because of what you think of Cavon Frasier and
Speaker 1: what you think of you know, the potential of Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods and Jeff Heath. You know, we don't know a
Speaker 1: whole hell of a lot about Campbell. You know, he's
Speaker 1: the one guy that survived yesterday. You know, they got
Speaker 1: rid of Robinson, Tyree Robinson wave for Bryce Butler, who
Speaker 1: is officially back. Yeah, but I don't. Maybe maybe Frasier
Speaker 1: and these guys, these Safeties are making them feel like,
Speaker 1: you know what, we don't have to make that deal.
Speaker 1: And then and then can you factor in, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna save ten million dollars? Yeah, I mean I well,
Speaker 1: it's because that's still girls gonna count. It's sure cost sure,
Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right. I think to me it would
Speaker 1: be worth it for ten million dollars. But there's also
Speaker 1: a side of me that also is not stupid enough
Speaker 1: to bang my head against the wall and say and say, well,
Speaker 1: these Safeties were playing bad. And you know, if the
Speaker 1: Safeties were playing bad, you would have to say, okay,
Speaker 1: it's worth it to go get Earl Thomas. But necessarily now,
Speaker 1: I don't through two weeks. Two weeks. I look at
Speaker 1: the roster and I asked the question too after two games,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying there's other trade opportunities out there
Speaker 1: at certain spots I don't know, but well, you okay,
Speaker 1: left my release behind. I wanted to look at the schedule.
Speaker 1: Here you go, buddy, which side of the ball needs
Speaker 1: help more? See that's where that's okay. This will lead
Speaker 1: me to another question. If you going, let's keep going.
Speaker 1: If you could trade for a position to help this team,
Speaker 1: right now, what would you trade for? Just a position?
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to give me a player, but
Speaker 1: is there a position that you would consider trading for?
Speaker 1: That was question number five that I had on this list.
Speaker 1: If you could trade for a position to help this team,
Speaker 1: what would it be? Thanks, I left it behind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is all wrinkled. Yeah, mine back before he spilled
Speaker 1: coffee on it or something. Any position? Yeah, is there
Speaker 1: a position that you would trade for? Well, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at I got one of mine. I'm looking at wide
Speaker 1: receiver and tight end. Yeah, I'm I'm thinking of a
Speaker 1: tight end. Yeah, you know this this team doesn't have
Speaker 1: a legitimate tight end. It's got guys, and I'm to
Speaker 1: the point now where you know what, I'm okay, let's
Speaker 1: bring Schultz back and I'm gonna sit Blake Jarwin for
Speaker 1: this game. I'm just gonna keep rotating these guys until
Speaker 1: I figure out my best three because I think I'm
Speaker 1: Swain is solid enough active every week, I think. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the other three yeah yeah, based on matchups, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's not because Blake Jarwin had a unfortunate experience
Speaker 1: trying to feel a onside kick. I just don't think
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin has done enough for me. Is a blocker,
Speaker 1: and that's not his cup of tea. It's unfair to
Speaker 1: him for me to say that. But has he done
Speaker 1: anything else in the passing game? Yeah, if his job
Speaker 1: was to do stuff in the passing if he can
Speaker 1: qualify his spot by catching a bunch of balls, and
Speaker 1: then you go, Okay, the blocking, I'll I'll live with
Speaker 1: I'll live with you. And we haven't we haven't seen
Speaker 1: he's seen that. It's Jessica bar theory. I'm gonna roll
Speaker 1: I'm gonna roll him out this week, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put Schultz back in there and just see maybe the
Speaker 1: best combination. Well, you know, and you're right, You're not
Speaker 1: gonna roll Swam out of there because they use him
Speaker 1: way too much. He can do. He's more complete than anybody. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if somebody had a legitimate tight end, I
Speaker 1: might if they will get well, maybe some team has
Speaker 1: two guys, you guys, but let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: We have four, and it's kind of a up in
Speaker 1: the air. Would you be looking more for a guy
Speaker 1: that can do Jarwin type stuff down the field as
Speaker 1: a pass catcher, or or a guy that can help
Speaker 1: you in the running game as a blocker. Give me
Speaker 1: a guy, Give me a better James Hannah. Give me
Speaker 1: a better James Hannah can do bow both and play
Speaker 1: special teams too. Yeah, give me you know a guy
Speaker 1: that could be on your punt your punt return team,
Speaker 1: your punt team, kickoff return, all that stuff. But he's
Speaker 1: a he's a good point of attack blocker, and he's
Speaker 1: capable of making you know, two or three plays, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not asking him make seven catches a
Speaker 1: game or six catches a game, but I'm asking him
Speaker 1: make two or three catches a game. And you saw
Speaker 1: what they were thinking about the blocker right when they
Speaker 1: went three tight ends brought in Cameron Fleming. Don't worry
Speaker 1: about that as long as he can block. Although I
Speaker 1: think on one of those that was one of the holdings,
Speaker 1: and I was sitting there going it was it was
Speaker 1: the Joe lou Alliance, not seventy five yea, not Joel.
Speaker 1: The was the third and one play that that oh
Speaker 1: Collins got held on. Collins held see to me that
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean tight in was the first
Speaker 1: thing that came to my mind when I wrote that
Speaker 1: question down to you, guys, you feel better about the
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I mean, you got a million of them.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like seventeen, Mickey. It's up to you,
Speaker 1: being the former newspaperman, to get to the bottom of
Speaker 1: why they got seven wide receivers on this team. I
Speaker 1: will try, because somebody needs to ask that question. I
Speaker 1: just think this is really bad roster management. My point seven.
Speaker 1: They're kicking tires. Okay, seven receivers, four tight ends, and
Speaker 1: they've got two players that don't One of the players
Speaker 1: is Travis Frederick, who doesn't truss who they're keeping on
Speaker 1: the roster. And the other player you're going to get
Speaker 1: back is Jones this week. I mean, he's gonna help you.
Speaker 1: But think about they were carrying all those guys on
Speaker 1: the forty three, on the fifteen, on the fifty three too,
Speaker 1: you know, and that I don't know. I have no
Speaker 1: good answer, and you know, here I'm saying, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Williams is going to do this and get suspended and
Speaker 1: all that. I don't know. I'm just throwing it out
Speaker 1: there because like trying to figure out why that's a
Speaker 1: logical speculation. Right, then then you're dat back down to six. Yeah, potentially.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's just pure speculation. It's just for like two games,
Speaker 1: three games, it's just for end games. Yeah, I mak.
Speaker 1: I just think they're kicking tires, kicking tires in a
Speaker 1: way because it doesn't cost him anything to bring Vice
Speaker 1: Butler on the on the roster at this point, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all it cost him was Tyree Robinson and they're hoping
Speaker 1: to put him back on the practice question. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then and I don't know how many you can dress
Speaker 1: on Sunday, boy, but you gotta pissed off Lance Lenore
Speaker 1: on your hands too though, Yeah, I understand. See that's
Speaker 1: where better Lenore than Antonio Brown. Yeah. Well things are
Speaker 1: happening in Pittsburgh. Yeah, not good things. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask me the question that you say, frasier over
Speaker 1: your surprise or frasier over Looney, right or you're surprised
Speaker 1: over Yeah, because I think we saw we saw a
Speaker 1: little bit of Looney. I think in training camp. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much we saw of Cavon, like in
Speaker 1: coverage and just being an all around play and I
Speaker 1: and he knows too, because after that first game and
Speaker 1: then everybody was around his locker on WEDNESDA welcome to
Speaker 1: the headache, and and and I saw him walk off
Speaker 1: and I said, I see you, Cavon and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys didn't think I could cover it? Could did you?
Speaker 1: Just like that? And I said, okay, yeah, you're good. Okay, yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: just get certain. But here's the other thing now on
Speaker 1: that is I agree with you guys. By the way,
Speaker 1: have they have they played a I mean, is this
Speaker 1: the best quarterback they're going to play in three games?
Speaker 1: I performing it's skill wise from a passing, from the
Speaker 1: from the passing. Yeah, okay. After that Stafford who is struggling,
Speaker 1: he is, we grant it. Watched them next week and
Speaker 1: then Houston struggling, but the Giants this week should get
Speaker 1: back in the w column. There Jacksonville Bortless not been
Speaker 1: bad yet. And then Washington Alex Smith who solid, yeah, solid,
Speaker 1: but they're they're struggling. This team. Then Tennessee, you're setting
Speaker 1: this thing up. Make you like they're going to win
Speaker 1: all these games. I'm talking about what you're saying. Maybe
Speaker 1: you get to Wentz. Finally in Philadelphia. But that's not
Speaker 1: till November eleventh, and then and then you know, you
Speaker 1: get straight and then you get and then you get
Speaker 1: Ryan Yeah, and Alex Smith and Drew Brees and Wentz
Speaker 1: and uh, let's see Whoianapolis. Yeah, Tampa Bay Luck, Fitzma
Speaker 1: might bill to be, Fitzpatrick, Fitzmagic, might be, it might be.
Speaker 1: Remember when we started the seat, before we started the season,
Speaker 1: we kept talking about all these great quarterbacks. They were
Speaker 1: gonna have to pull. They are gonna have to play
Speaker 1: a lot. They're playing one this week. I understand. Now
Speaker 1: the question is can they block for for Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: To me, it's the same narrative is last week with
Speaker 1: Eli why they struggled the six six sacks allowed in
Speaker 1: both games. The thing about it is, though with Wilson,
Speaker 1: they still were in both games. Yeah, they up twelve
Speaker 1: sacks and they're still in both games. And that's and
Speaker 1: that's what's scary about this team is that you know,
Speaker 1: do you do you think that the Dallas offense can
Speaker 1: score enough points to make somebody one dimensional. That's why
Speaker 1: I said last week against the Giants, you gotta limit
Speaker 1: the big plays because if you're only scoring in the teams.
Speaker 1: All it takes is one or two big plays down
Speaker 1: the field to Beckham. Yeah, and we saw what Wilson.
Speaker 1: Now he threw us a pick six in the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a just a bad ball at the sideline. Desperation
Speaker 1: really that he hung in there in the pocket late
Speaker 1: in the game and takes a shot and delivers a
Speaker 1: beautiful ball touchdown to Tyler Lockett. He can he can
Speaker 1: beat you with his arms. They'll don't know how he
Speaker 1: cut that ball. Yeah, great play, amazing catch. See to me,
Speaker 1: That's where I'm just like, this is where I worry
Speaker 1: about this team. If this team had the consistency of
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, with the ability to finish drives and really
Speaker 1: grind it out, if they can make deep offenses that
Speaker 1: they play one dimensional that you have to throw to
Speaker 1: come back, well, that plays right into their wheelhouse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but if they get somebody that can just
Speaker 1: hang in there, hang in there, play balance, balance, balance,
Speaker 1: You're right, they give up one big play when you
Speaker 1: know two big plays, Nix, you know, it's a tie game.
Speaker 1: There's no margin for error for the defense when you're
Speaker 1: not efficient offense. Well I was sitting there, yeah, with
Speaker 1: that game, and I'm sitting there and it's thirteen nothing right, dominating,
Speaker 1: and all I can think of in the back of
Speaker 1: my mind one mistake and it's thirteen seven and they're
Speaker 1: one possession away from him taking the lead. R Yeah,
Speaker 1: the seventeen point lead helped Dallas. Yes, play this tee
Speaker 1: off on Manning that. I mean, it's like they the
Speaker 1: only thing they had to worry about, Barkley about was
Speaker 1: catching the football and running with it. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing they had to worry about there. But what you
Speaker 1: want to see is more of this. What was it,
Speaker 1: a fourteen play, eighty two yard drive, chewing up eight
Speaker 1: minutes o'clock fourth quarter? Zeke, just wearing guys down. Yes,
Speaker 1: gotta have more of that. Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean
Speaker 1: that was timely though, because they did right at the
Speaker 1: end where they just sucked the life out of the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Yeah, that's what you got it. I mean,
Speaker 1: because when they gave it up, there's like five minutes left,
Speaker 1: five something, not enough time for the Giants to win
Speaker 1: the game. There were three scores down right, See, they
Speaker 1: can't that. You're right, Rod. The margin of error for
Speaker 1: this team is very small. It when it comes out
Speaker 1: because until they can develop some type of consistency, you know,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a problem. I forgot before we got
Speaker 1: a break. I forgot to ask you this Monday, coming
Speaker 1: off the game, and both of you guys your thoughts
Speaker 1: on because there was a lull there after the ten
Speaker 1: nothing lead. Did they get away from things too much
Speaker 1: that we're working or I know one drive there was
Speaker 1: a couple penalties that said them. The penalties were huge.
Speaker 1: They only ran fifty plays, you know, but still a
Speaker 1: lot of that had to do. If they recover the
Speaker 1: on side kick, they could kind of run the game
Speaker 1: out the way they want. But yeah, I and going
Speaker 1: back and watching the game. When Prescott got forced out
Speaker 1: a couple of different times throwing the ball, they had
Speaker 1: guys that were open, and again Cole Beasley was opened
Speaker 1: a couple of different times. He couldn't you know. They
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to get the ball to to Rico
Speaker 1: there and you know, it was just a little higher
Speaker 1: to him. But they had some plays they had They
Speaker 1: could have made some plays. It's just unfortunate. The quarterback
Speaker 1: had to make the right decision and get rid of
Speaker 1: the football. That was the biggest That was the biggest
Speaker 1: thing that the lull that happened, that's why they got stopped.
Speaker 1: They don't get I mean impressively enough, the two back
Speaker 1: to back penalties third and one, they get a third
Speaker 1: and eleven, what do they get another They complete a
Speaker 1: pass for a first down and they get another holding,
Speaker 1: and you're like, going, there's no way in hell they're
Speaker 1: now third and eleven. They're not going to convert this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Prescott stood right in there and made a throw.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just unfortunate. They had some bad luck
Speaker 1: in that way. Nick, I go to break you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know. They only had three possessions in
Speaker 1: the second half. Yeah, but one really long one and
Speaker 1: one long one a kneel down. I'll count that. That's four,
Speaker 1: and then they scored on the other two. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: they hit a lull, but they didn't have that many plays. Well,
Speaker 1: they had three straight punts to in the first half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that part second quarter, that was That's more what I
Speaker 1: was asking. Yeah, that that was, Yeah, you need to
Speaker 1: get back to and maybe that's something you do learn from. Okay, well, okay,
Speaker 1: how do we use Zeke? How do we use Austin?
Speaker 1: How do we use Thompson, How do we use Beasley?
Speaker 1: How do we use Dak Prescott? You know, those are
Speaker 1: all things you have to think about. Why were we
Speaker 1: not able to sustain drives? It was could I have
Speaker 1: made a different play call that would have affected the
Speaker 1: way that the series would have gone. And the second
Speaker 1: possession in the second quarter, they started off first and
Speaker 1: fourteen at the five. Yeah, they got a motion pilling
Speaker 1: on tyrants, right, it was, and they and they ended
Speaker 1: up with was it a fair catch at the nine? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they punting. They at least drove the ball out of
Speaker 1: their own end zone and then gave it the first
Speaker 1: and ten at the nine, you get you get a
Speaker 1: false start. Now it's first and fourteen at the five.
Speaker 1: They managed to get to the thirty eight and then
Speaker 1: you have an incompletion, an incompletion and an and a
Speaker 1: pass for no gain and you punt. Yeah, So that
Speaker 1: was the possession that at least they didn't give them.
Speaker 1: At least they didn't go three and out on the five,
Speaker 1: right that that that's encouraged, and they gave the ball
Speaker 1: up and the Giants started at the twenty. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they were able to get out of there without giving
Speaker 1: up a sc We talked about how they came out
Speaker 1: proactive to start the game, put the giants on their
Speaker 1: heels and got it to nothing lead and they ultimately
Speaker 1: was enough. All right, let's take our first break. Five
Speaker 1: two two ninety seven is the number. Give us a call,
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Speaker 1: uh k, yeah, let's hit the phone lines. Luise in Texas.
Speaker 1: You're up first on Talking Cowboys. Hey, how is it
Speaker 1: going guys? Good? Thanks for having me? Um? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: do you think the loggown we have a receiver's kind
Speaker 1: of like it kind of reminds me of when we
Speaker 1: had you know, DeMarco Murray and shar Choice and that
Speaker 1: underwear Steeler, Like we didn't really know who was gonna
Speaker 1: take the job. Do you think it should just maybe
Speaker 1: give a chance to a couple of guys like a
Speaker 1: game instead of rotating them in and out, Like I
Speaker 1: think Thompson should get for a shot. I mean, he
Speaker 1: looks pretty good. I think he he got two catches
Speaker 1: called back to a penalty and he still ended up
Speaker 1: with four. So um. And also, do you think they
Speaker 1: trust now Frazier maybe with Wood at the same time
Speaker 1: on the field. Um, I'll take your your answers, Hey,
Speaker 1: who would be your who would be your top three receivers?
Speaker 1: If you're gonna say Hearns, Thompson and Gallup not. Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe the answer I think maybe knows yet maybe any
Speaker 1: of them. Maybe that's the top four at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then that's it leads to me one of my questions,
Speaker 1: if you guys want to take one of those, Yes,
Speaker 1: did you expect Deontay Thompson to be better at this
Speaker 1: point than Alan Hearns? Um? No, I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I expected we didn't see enough of Thompson in preseason.
Speaker 1: I didn't at least to really know kind of what
Speaker 1: he could do for them, what his role might be. Sure, Um,
Speaker 1: we were all kind of man. We remember had this
Speaker 1: discussion about Alan Hearns when we always talk about, Okay,
Speaker 1: who are the five wide receivers? Alan Hearns gets thrown
Speaker 1: in there immediately as one of the guys. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if necessarily Alan Hearns is better than Deontay
Speaker 1: Thompson at least at this point. You know, if you
Speaker 1: looked at Thompson's numbers from last year, yeah, combined sure,
Speaker 1: from the Bears and the Bills. Bills, Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: wasn't playing with Joe Montana suldn't they weren't bad for
Speaker 1: the opportunity he can Nope, not at all. Sanjay Law
Speaker 1: told us in camp, I think you were there with me. Well,
Speaker 1: he said, I can't believe he hasn't stuck somewhere because
Speaker 1: every chance he's gotten, he got traded to. I think
Speaker 1: was a Chicago right right and stepped in played well
Speaker 1: right off the bat. He's a professional. And what you
Speaker 1: wrote in the mail bag answer today is he's more
Speaker 1: of a complete player. Maybe they thought he is. He's
Speaker 1: you know, you watch him when they run stuff to
Speaker 1: the outside. He's a really good blocker. You know, he's
Speaker 1: got he's got physical, he's got size, he'll go into traffic,
Speaker 1: he'll do some nasty things for you as far as
Speaker 1: going inside to catch balls. And they still haven't sent him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I thought he was going to be good.
Speaker 1: But I thought that Alan Hurns at this point in
Speaker 1: time would probably have his type of number, more targets
Speaker 1: and more. But but he he has outplayed her in
Speaker 1: my opinion, he has. And for a guy that didn't
Speaker 1: really participate at all in training camp, I think that's
Speaker 1: really impressive about him. You know, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to argue with Luis because Gallup's got to be in there.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna have three, I think they have
Speaker 1: four at this point. You think they're concerned about Gallup.
Speaker 1: I think they were worried about his consistency of how
Speaker 1: he runs his routes. That's fair, Yeah, that is fair.
Speaker 1: And is that to be a little expected or by now?
Speaker 1: Oh it's at cars State. Though he was a good
Speaker 1: route runner there made the nuances of having a run routes.
Speaker 1: In the National Football League, it always looks like he's
Speaker 1: he's fighting to get open and that's why he draws
Speaker 1: penalties because guys are trying to fight him. But he's
Speaker 1: playing a little bit off balance right now. So I
Speaker 1: think on that deep route, yeah, I think, And you
Speaker 1: know it got pointed out. You know, he got pushed.
Speaker 1: He didn't red line it. Yeah, as they say, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no red line, but in the practice field, there's
Speaker 1: a red line where you want to stay so many
Speaker 1: yards away from the sideline. So the quarterback has a
Speaker 1: spot to drop it when you've got the dB on
Speaker 1: your left, on your left hip right and he got
Speaker 1: too close to the sideline. I think they were maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit worried about that and catching the ball
Speaker 1: no problem, you know, and when he's open, he's good. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe they're slit there looking at that and
Speaker 1: going we need to get him going. Yeah. That's maybe
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why you bring in Bryce Butler,
Speaker 1: you know, because you're thinking, oh, okay, well we need
Speaker 1: a guy to do a little bit more of this.
Speaker 1: I'm not against. I think you have to throw Michael
Speaker 1: Gallop out there and let him play. I do too.
Speaker 1: Don't don't don't sit there. Don't sit there and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: for two weeks or training camp, you've been feeding him stuff,
Speaker 1: feeding him stuff, and then and then have him going
Speaker 1: the tank. You know, if he's not playing enough that
Speaker 1: that you don't need that he's gonna be active. Do
Speaker 1: you think you think Bryce is active Sunday. Well, we
Speaker 1: talked to him yesterday. He didn't know what his role
Speaker 1: would be. He said, look, we haven't had a practice set.
Speaker 1: I don't know, we need we need to. The great
Speaker 1: thing about living in this building is we'll figure it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by Friday. By Friday will have this thing. See what
Speaker 1: they think they can get out of it. I mean
Speaker 1: at lease he has been to training camp, yes, but
Speaker 1: he hadn't done anything in a couple of weeks. That's right,
Speaker 1: So he knows the general system though. I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: a little different than last year. But I think more
Speaker 1: from a physical standpoint, yeah, than knowing. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: only so many routes you can run. Right by the way.
Speaker 1: The receiving stats, this is what it is through two games,
Speaker 1: Beasley as your leader, nine catches eighty six yards, then
Speaker 1: Zeke eight for twenty six, then Thompson seven for sixty
Speaker 1: eight point six per catch, and then you've got Swaying
Speaker 1: with three and then four guys with two. Yeah, Tavon, Hearns,
Speaker 1: Terrence and Gallop. That's where you are right now. That's
Speaker 1: where you are. I don't think I mean to answer
Speaker 1: Luise's question to me, it's still too early to know
Speaker 1: what this rotation is, especially yes, there see. But to
Speaker 1: answer th other side of his question, I feel they do.
Speaker 1: I feel like they do feel comfortable about Frasier playing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they asked you if if Frasier has to go out
Speaker 1: there with Woods and they have to roll him in
Speaker 1: there and take Heath off the field, or anyone those
Speaker 1: guys come off the field. That's we've seen this team
Speaker 1: rotate safeties before. Yeah, they just couldn't do it the
Speaker 1: first two weeks of the season, but they'll rotate him
Speaker 1: now now they got they got their guy back. Frasier's
Speaker 1: earned those snaps absolutely. Yes, Yeah, so too amazing. What
Speaker 1: happens when you play somebody, Yeah, you find out, you
Speaker 1: find out either they can play or another. Got any
Speaker 1: more questions for you know, I do bring it, you know,
Speaker 1: I got some questions. Mickey Spagnola more surprised of his
Speaker 1: play Taco Charlton or Tavon Austin Taco. I expected something
Speaker 1: out of Tavon, uh, because I at least we'd seen
Speaker 1: something from him previously with the Rams before last year.
Speaker 1: But was it like this? But Taco, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the guy the like the like they come back in
Speaker 1: two years before he heard his wrist, he combined for
Speaker 1: ninety catches as and he wasn't like a, that's my
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver. So he had done it before, Taco,
Speaker 1: we hadn't seen it. There were times in trainee camp
Speaker 1: where you're going he still can't stay on his feet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now he comes out here and played more snaps
Speaker 1: in the first two games. He might have played more
Speaker 1: snaps in the first two games than he did his
Speaker 1: career year. He got his letter jacket already. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty He had fifty seven snaps I believe I saw
Speaker 1: from I think he surprised the coaches myself. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he's done more than just be a pass rusher, right, yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: he he played the run. Yeah, and you're right, he's
Speaker 1: playing about double snaps than he averaged. How about the
Speaker 1: smart play him too? Just falling on that fumble. How
Speaker 1: many times we've seen those guys kicked the ball and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden Beckham runs over there and falls
Speaker 1: on it. You know, my gosh, he did the right thing.
Speaker 1: Eighty seven percent of the of this eighty eighty four percent.
Speaker 1: What's that? What's that on your legal pad in front
Speaker 1: of you? Right? Is that Pro Football Focus? Uh No,
Speaker 1: this is official NFL stats, Football Focus, right, official NFL stats.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised with with Taco is as myself. I am too.
Speaker 1: What about rob Um Probably Taco I want. I'm pleasantly
Speaker 1: surprised with how they were able to connect deep with
Speaker 1: Dak and table. I mean, that's what this offense needs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they need that juice. I want to see more from
Speaker 1: Tavon got ten snaps in the week one opener he
Speaker 1: got I think like eighteen last week. Can they bump
Speaker 1: it into the twenties maybe? Yeah? Eighteen snaps thirty Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could read that. Maybe a little more, bump that up.
Speaker 1: But then who's who? I don't know, which, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But the way, just the way he started that game
Speaker 1: though he was on fire, you know, maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit more, a little bit more of ten next question,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a fancy route. He just stutter stepped
Speaker 1: and he came back to the ball though, man, no
Speaker 1: I met the deep stutter stepped. They got a lull
Speaker 1: Jenkins into But that's what speed will do for you.
Speaker 1: Here's my next question for the panel. It's Chris Raschard
Speaker 1: really the defensive coordinator. I think he's had a significant
Speaker 1: influence on the amount of aggressiveness, especially on the Nickel defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is the passing game coordinator, so does that every
Speaker 1: time him? Every time they passed, they Chris called the defense.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they're not telling us, well, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's on Nickel. Yeah, I don't know that he
Speaker 1: calls it, but I think he maybe they with the
Speaker 1: that's what the plan is. It is. Do you think
Speaker 1: when they go to the sidelines and they talk about it,
Speaker 1: it's Chris. I mean, we have the sideline audio, we
Speaker 1: put that together, and Chris is always coaching somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's coach. He's grabbing somebody and coaching somebody here. And
Speaker 1: by the way, I think he plays a big role
Speaker 1: in what happens this week with the with the Seahawks
Speaker 1: knowing what how to attack that, but also give you
Speaker 1: a little bit of idea about what they can do
Speaker 1: defensively as well. Right, you know that's going to help.
Speaker 1: There's another mail back question today, that is, but your
Speaker 1: question will be answered when there's three guys on Thursday
Speaker 1: taking questions. We should get, we should ask, we should ask.
Speaker 1: He's a coordinator, we should ask, we should we should
Speaker 1: ask for him pass game coordinator. Rod. I think he's
Speaker 1: calling the defense. I think I'm with Mickey. I think
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you for not riding the fence. By
Speaker 1: the way, Spagnola didn't ride the fence on that one.
Speaker 1: That was a good one. I think Coach Marinelli thinks
Speaker 1: a lot of this young coach, and I think he
Speaker 1: is giving him some influence and I think he wants
Speaker 1: him to have a true voice in what they're doing.
Speaker 1: So yes, what was your answer? Oh, I would say
Speaker 1: he is everything or just I think that he's I
Speaker 1: think what I think Rod. I think Rod really likes
Speaker 1: dealing with that front, you know, the hot boys. He
Speaker 1: likes being up. I mean, he likes he could focus
Speaker 1: more on his rush if Rochard is called in. Rochard
Speaker 1: is Rod's done this for a long long time. I
Speaker 1: mean when they were doing the slot blitz stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: and all that, that's Rod. But you start bringing linebackers
Speaker 1: and you know, all kinds of that, that's a little
Speaker 1: bit different from what we've seen in the past. We
Speaker 1: saw that in training camp. They oh, I know, but
Speaker 1: that's like christ and the linebackers, Chris Schard wearing cleats
Speaker 1: coaching them up out there. Right, You got some more
Speaker 1: I do all right, Hang tight, We'll get to the
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Speaker 1: I listened all the time. First time caller. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to ask how you're doing. I'm not gonna thank
Speaker 1: you for taking my call. I am the most pessimistic
Speaker 1: of all pessimistic Cowboys fans. This past Sunday night, I
Speaker 1: looked at my wife and I said, damn, I have
Speaker 1: no idea why I continue to put myself through this.
Speaker 1: But I was encouraged because I saw progress. After week one.
Speaker 1: I was down and I gave him a chance in
Speaker 1: week two, but I did see progress and the piggyback.
Speaker 1: I was on hold what Brian said about Richards. I
Speaker 1: was watching sounds of the game on your website, Sure,
Speaker 1: and Cavan came off the field and he was beating
Speaker 1: himself up, saying I need to tackle better, need to
Speaker 1: tackle better. And then Richard comes in and says, listen,
Speaker 1: you gotta forgive yourself. You're a great tackler. And then
Speaker 1: the next clips of him making the sack. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: all for Shard being our next head coach. And who
Speaker 1: knows what they have in the plan. Sure, the guys,
Speaker 1: I don't think our offense or our defense has hit
Speaker 1: their ceiling, and I don't think we need to be
Speaker 1: the greatest show on turf. I am so encouraged about defense.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I'm just I'm overwhelmed with our defense and
Speaker 1: i'd love your thoughts. Thank you, guys. Okay, that's pretty
Speaker 1: good from a pessimist. I think you had to be
Speaker 1: by the second game. I think he's being realistic though,
Speaker 1: and you know, I said it last night. If the
Speaker 1: defense can continue to play the way they're playing and
Speaker 1: give the offense time to develop, then they might have something.
Speaker 1: But they've got to play well defensively so the offense
Speaker 1: can can continue to take their steps forward. They've got
Speaker 1: to have the offense to help them. Though. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know you're right. I mean, I just the thing I
Speaker 1: worry about, can this offense score enough points? And if
Speaker 1: you could score enough points, you know they're going to
Speaker 1: be in some games where they probably won't be able
Speaker 1: to score some points. But I think that you know,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna hang the hat on the defense and
Speaker 1: they look like they can, they can take it. But
Speaker 1: I just don't want this offense to ruin some bad
Speaker 1: some good play by a defense. Nicky. You said this
Speaker 1: again on the Happy Hour Show last night, and it's
Speaker 1: a great point. I mean, there are so many new faces, yeah,
Speaker 1: on offense, and there's young guys, and there's guys that
Speaker 1: had injuries in preseason, so they do need time. But
Speaker 1: how much time can you have when, like Brian always says,
Speaker 1: I mean, these games all matter, they all count. I
Speaker 1: mean you got to give it maybe a month. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why the defense has to play well. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it can't be given up twenty some points a game. No,
Speaker 1: because the offense probably can't score twenty some points at
Speaker 1: least right now. At least right now now, maybe things
Speaker 1: will change, you know, maybe they get they get development
Speaker 1: from Connor Williams, you get development from Michael Gallup. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden they figure out, hey, you can get
Speaker 1: the ball to Tavon Austin ten times a game. You know,
Speaker 1: all these things have to kind of play out. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, but I know that I know. Dez is
Speaker 1: not there, right, Okay, I get it. They made that decision.
Speaker 1: They did Witton, okay, retire, yes, But the rest of
Speaker 1: the offense, Travis Fredericks the only one missing. And the
Speaker 1: first eight games last year, the offense was scoring. Problem
Speaker 1: was yeah, it was Jonathan Cooper like all pro. No,
Speaker 1: he was just and at that time the first couple
Speaker 1: of games, Chaz Green was starting at guard. By god,
Speaker 1: but they are working in four new wide receivers, three
Speaker 1: two new tight ends essentially, I understand. But if he
Speaker 1: didn't looking for a reason, if if if you didn't
Speaker 1: want to work in new receivers, you could have Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams and Cole Beasley out there and then one new guy. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm they scored. They scored those first state games.
Speaker 1: The only game didn't score the opener because the Giants
Speaker 1: they seemed to have trouble scoring against him and Denver
Speaker 1: and everything else. And I said this the other day,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like Dak put this team on
Speaker 1: his back. He did first eight games, he did. We
Speaker 1: said that, you said last night at the show last night.
Speaker 1: The guy that the gentleman who asked the question didn't
Speaker 1: agree with us, I know, but he did go back
Speaker 1: and look at his stats. He had a hundred over
Speaker 1: one hundred quarterback rate and there was too much on
Speaker 1: his plate. My opinion the second half of the season,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, you know, and all and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the narrative is he's not accurate. Well,
Speaker 1: the first twenty four games of his career he had
Speaker 1: over sixty percent completion. It was like sixty four with
Speaker 1: a one h two quarterback rad. I think he threw
Speaker 1: the ball better last week. And he did, Caroline, he did.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's absolutely don't need some scout to
Speaker 1: tell you that. And he wasn't on his back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true too. So you know, I just give it
Speaker 1: some time for these new receivers and the quarterback and
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't want to say Joe Looney
Speaker 1: because he's been good. Yeah, you know, not great, but good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And Connor Williams was better the second game. Did he
Speaker 1: take the next step? And the fourth no doubt. You know,
Speaker 1: this was a young team. We spent all summer talking
Speaker 1: about it being a young team, and then when you
Speaker 1: go play, it's like, well that's not an excuse. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, but you just gotta make progress. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what everybody's got to hang on to.
Speaker 1: Progress might also mean you lose a game or and
Speaker 1: that's right exactly, and this and this will be a
Speaker 1: heck of a test. I think when you factor in
Speaker 1: the crowd up there desperation, that defense is gonna bring it. Man,
Speaker 1: they always do, so they're gonna be challenging this. I mean,
Speaker 1: did you see how they respond. Did you think this
Speaker 1: team was going twelve and four? Yeah? Right, Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: just a couple of games. I thought they were gonna lose.
Speaker 1: They might actually win if you look at that Houston bunch,
Speaker 1: if they don't get things turned around down there Detroit.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody expected these next three opponents to
Speaker 1: b O and two. No, not nobody did. I wish
Speaker 1: I could feel better about Blank on this team. I
Speaker 1: wish I could feel better about Blank on this team.
Speaker 1: It didn't have to be a player, or I wish
Speaker 1: I could feel better about Blank. I think you just
Speaker 1: said it. I think we just talked. Probably we probably
Speaker 1: just answered that question. It's for me, It's it's I
Speaker 1: feel really given him time, feel really good about this defense.
Speaker 1: And I think if you can get Randy Gregory and
Speaker 1: David Irving back in two weeks, Wow, there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of potential there. I would like to feel better
Speaker 1: about their Jones played pretty good this summer. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm getting back in there yet. I would like to
Speaker 1: feel better about their ability to sustain drives offensively there.
Speaker 1: I just we just haven't seen it with consistency yet.
Speaker 1: We talked about the lull they had after the ten
Speaker 1: points early against the Giants. I'd like to feel better
Speaker 1: about the offensive line, like in that dominant form that
Speaker 1: we're used to seeing. Yeah, yeah, I mean that it's
Speaker 1: Collins has had some struggles, There's no question, Mickey, it's
Speaker 1: a good point he has. He has some struggles. And
Speaker 1: you know, and that was just the first game, Tyrn
Speaker 1: Smith with the penalties, right, Um, but you know, if
Speaker 1: if Lale not playing at a high level, then all
Speaker 1: you got is Tyring and in Martin. Yeah. So there
Speaker 1: you're you're you're I mean air quotes, folks, they're listening,
Speaker 1: not seeing. But there's your elite line is not so elite.
Speaker 1: You've got your your It's nice to have two really
Speaker 1: good players, but everybody else, if everybody else is struggling,
Speaker 1: where's your line? Are you just as good as You're
Speaker 1: just as good as the Vikings or the Saints or
Speaker 1: I mean it isn't that the formula here offense to
Speaker 1: have an elite line. Yeah. No sacks, no sacks last week?
Speaker 1: That great, right, But half is in completions were throwaways
Speaker 1: because of pressure. Right, It's like, oh, I gotta get
Speaker 1: rid of this out of my hand. And that's great
Speaker 1: because um sacks are probably sacks kill you, right, because
Speaker 1: even even when you get even when you get a
Speaker 1: holding and they should get the down over, right, the
Speaker 1: sack you don't get the down over It killed Seattle
Speaker 1: on Monday. If you went back and watch that game
Speaker 1: means terrible. Yeah. I always I always look back to
Speaker 1: uh when when the Cowboys at the near the end
Speaker 1: of the season in ninety one went to Philadelphia. No, no,
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman, Right, he gets hurt. Uh. And And basically
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson's mandate to Burline was, I don't care if
Speaker 1: you finished the first half three for thirteen. I don't care,
Speaker 1: uh if you finished the game ten for twenty five.
Speaker 1: I do not want you to take a sack, right,
Speaker 1: No sacks and no interceptions, because once that Philadelphia defense
Speaker 1: gets a sack, it starts rolling. The people will start
Speaker 1: going crazy at the vet and everything comes apart. No sacks,
Speaker 1: and I swear to God, the first half he must
Speaker 1: have finished like three of thirteen. Yeah, but they were
Speaker 1: in the game because he didn't take a sack. So
Speaker 1: protect the quarterback and give the running back at least
Speaker 1: get him back to the line of scrimmage and then
Speaker 1: let him do his deal. I mean the touchdown run.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it wasn't clean, it was a push, right,
Speaker 1: but he got to the line of scrimmage, and then
Speaker 1: he did his deal. He did his deal. I answered
Speaker 1: my own question with I wish I could feel better
Speaker 1: about the consistency of the offense. Yeah, I wish I
Speaker 1: could feel better that I know that they could stay
Speaker 1: ahead of the chains, not give up sacks, and when
Speaker 1: they had to make a real play they could make it.
Speaker 1: That that's what I wish I could feel better about.
Speaker 1: I feel great about the defense and what they've done,
Speaker 1: at least through the first two weeks. I do worry
Speaker 1: about the offensive consistency hurting the defense at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. That's where I that's the struggle I
Speaker 1: deal with every day. Okay, final question here, as we
Speaker 1: have a little time left, is Byron Jones playing better
Speaker 1: than a cheetahbe Owoozier. At this point, we did our
Speaker 1: top ten lists m Monday of best performers in the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had both of the ten. Yeah, just to the
Speaker 1: first two weeks. Though we kind of felt like, though
Speaker 1: didn't it A Woozier was going to be the corner,
Speaker 1: that would be the guy that we kind of hang
Speaker 1: our hat on. But we were able now to kind
Speaker 1: of hang our hat on Byron Jones a little bit. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're seeing him making plays on the ball. I think
Speaker 1: Byron has been tested more right and and we've seen
Speaker 1: him make some play right O. Woozier doesn't get tested
Speaker 1: all that much, fair point, and you know there's a
Speaker 1: you know you're not going to throw a shot out
Speaker 1: over there. The ones he gets beat on are usually
Speaker 1: the crossing route over the middle when the guy has
Speaker 1: all day to run right, but from on his sideline.
Speaker 1: I think he's been pretty darn good. But I think
Speaker 1: they've test did Byron Jones more. Yeah, he stood up
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, he stood up to it so far.
Speaker 1: I think. Um. I think the fact that both of
Speaker 1: them are playing well, and you may have spoken to this,
Speaker 1: it allows you to be more aggressive with your front seven.
Speaker 1: And regardless of it's Chris Richard's influence or Rod, dialing
Speaker 1: up more blitzes is kind of out of his quote
Speaker 1: unquote reputation. And when you have your corners playing well
Speaker 1: on the outside, why not, especially if you're playing with
Speaker 1: the lead. And that's another thing again, Offensively get your
Speaker 1: defensive lead and allow those guys to tee off a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, you'll do it even more so
Speaker 1: once you get a couple of these pass rushers back.
Speaker 1: The other thing I like back there is if they
Speaker 1: get beat on a pass play, I don't let see
Speaker 1: anybody going yeah looking around, yeah, like it wasn't my fault. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they did. Did the tight end did get him
Speaker 1: on that one time where they were kind of looking
Speaker 1: at each other like, okay, what just happened here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it was a busted cover was a busted
Speaker 1: but no one looked at any Yeah, everybody went chasing
Speaker 1: them and as like doc on it, we didn't you know.
Speaker 1: But are you surprised this team hasn't tackled as well?
Speaker 1: I mean they I mean initial tackle, Mickey, I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying rally tackle. I'm saying initial. You know what,
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath could have got a minus three instead. It
Speaker 1: was a nine yard game kind of a tackle. I
Speaker 1: think they've been so aggressive, almost too aggressive, and they're
Speaker 1: flying to try to make a tackle without kind of
Speaker 1: breaking down and and taking a bad angle. Sometimes one
Speaker 1: thing that's encouraging is the next guy gets Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's still other guys running to the ball. A lot
Speaker 1: of hats to it. You're not getting a seventy yard game.
Speaker 1: It's it's five six yards, like you're said, more than
Speaker 1: it should be. But it's not a it's not a touchdown.
Speaker 1: So that's good. You got good guys flying around like
Speaker 1: it was was it was it the Chargers game. Oh god, right,
Speaker 1: that I lost I lost my mind. Well that's when
Speaker 1: they made the change. It made the change in the
Speaker 1: secondary at that point. Yeah, they said, okay, Orlando you sit,
Speaker 1: and okay Brown you sit, and you know we're gonna
Speaker 1: change some things up here, you know, and that I
Speaker 1: think I look at that point as Okay, now the young,
Speaker 1: the young guys are going to get to play here.
Speaker 1: The young, the young secondary is gonna get to play
Speaker 1: because the veteran guys just didn't get the job. Done
Speaker 1: at that point, not Jordan Lewis yet. But Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: done a nice job. And Anthony Brown has not done
Speaker 1: anything to lose his job. I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 1: I don't see anything. Am I wrong about that? I
Speaker 1: mean everybody's been kind of waiting for that. I always
Speaker 1: say the left turn off the road, the the you know,
Speaker 1: the human log as uh Nate likes to call Woods
Speaker 1: waiting for that left turn and he's off, you know.
Speaker 1: But I don't see anything with with with Brown, and
Speaker 1: I just hope he doesn't get those penalties. You know,
Speaker 1: these key situations where all of a sudden he's covering
Speaker 1: locket and they're getting off the field and pressed around.
Speaker 1: Wilson overthrows, Oh we have a flag or defensive holding.
Speaker 1: You don't need that, and he's avoided that, you know,
Speaker 1: knock on Wood. He just he just wasn't a very
Speaker 1: good scout, that's all. Yeah. Oh about Perdue? Oh sorry man,
Speaker 1: that's the only thing he did wrong. Sorry about this
Speaker 1: last minute cast. Make you a question, But yeah, let's
Speaker 1: I was gonna says, how's Duely doing calling plays? You
Speaker 1: know what? Are they scoring a lot of points? This guy,
Speaker 1: he's got a quarterback there that could be the first
Speaker 1: one taken and steard. They've scored forty and what was
Speaker 1: the first game, Well, Tennessee Martin. They should have scored forty.
Speaker 1: How much have they given up too many? It can
Speaker 1: give up too many against Perdue. That's a problem. Thirty
Speaker 1: seven need to be to DC two. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what he's done. He's done a good You know what
Speaker 1: I like about what he's done is they're not playing
Speaker 1: at this breakneck pace and going three and out, you know,
Speaker 1: like you have the ball for thirty five seconds and
Speaker 1: not necessarily huddling. There's pace, but it's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're hair on fire and he's running the football. Even
Speaker 1: when it doesn't work, he continues to run the football.
Speaker 1: He uses his tight ends. Uh and uh. I thought
Speaker 1: the play calling has been, you know, better than what
Speaker 1: everybody expected. Everybody was worried. I was worried about that too.
Speaker 1: The Boo Birds and Saint Louis were all over him
Speaker 1: before he called his first play, Go Tigers, So tigers. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we'll see this week. Okay, when it's Georgia, we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see what We'll see what the Cowboys look like
Speaker 1: on Sunday Alabama, don't worry about Yeah. I don't even
Speaker 1: want to talk college football this week. I don't like
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? Says answer my questions. Yeah, it was fun.
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