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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey there, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: It's the Book of Joe Podcast with me, Tom Berducci

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Speaker 1: and of.

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Speaker 2: Course Joe Madden.

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Speaker 1: Joe, we're going to get into some of your favorite subjects,

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Speaker 1: including the death of the American Sedan. But before we

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Speaker 1: do that, another one of your favorite subjects I know

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Speaker 1: is catching and the state of catching has been in

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Speaker 1: the news in the last week because one of your

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Speaker 1: former players, Wilson Contreras, is now out for ten weeks

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Speaker 1: because he got hit with the barrel of the bat

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Speaker 1: of JD. Martinez and by reaching out to try to

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Speaker 1: frame a pitch, he is out for ten weeks with

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Speaker 1: a broken arm.

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Speaker 2: This is what's happening in the game.

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Speaker 1: You see it, Joe, These guys and Olie Marmaal, the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals manager, talked about this. Catchers want to improve their

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Speaker 1: framing stats, so they getting to the plate, and more

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Speaker 1: so than that, on low pitches, they're reaching out to

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Speaker 1: try to grab those pitches before they drop further, so

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Speaker 1: the umpire takes a look at it. I got to

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Speaker 1: start with you. You're a catching guy. What's your thought

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Speaker 1: on what's happening here with the state of catching in

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Speaker 1: terms of the emphasis on framing pitches.

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Speaker 3: Again, it's just reducing the artistry of catching. First of all,

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Speaker 3: that's one on one. You want to get as close

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Speaker 3: to the hitters you possibly can, and that was always

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Speaker 3: been there in order to receive a strike. It's nothing new.

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Speaker 3: I mean, people like talk about these things as though

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Speaker 3: it's just been invented. I had three catchers interferences in

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Speaker 3: one game, Appleton versus Appleton Foxes.

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Speaker 4: I was with the Quad City Angels.

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Speaker 3: We're playing in Davenport, Iowa, and they ran. They ran

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Speaker 3: a lot, so they're not gonna run on me. So

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Speaker 3: I was up so tight. Three times in one game

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Speaker 3: moves through being My manager yelled from the dugout sit

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Speaker 3: I said, what does that mean?

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Speaker 4: Sitting?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I get it, but yeah, like we've been doing

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Speaker 3: that forever. You always wanted to be tight, and even

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Speaker 3: people don't even talk about it. The big thing is

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Speaker 3: foul tips. Foul tips with two strikes. I want them

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Speaker 3: caught a lot of times a day. Relies on happenstance

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Speaker 3: to me. Two things. Have your glove tightened on the

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Speaker 3: top regarding the web numer one number Two, you got

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Speaker 3: to get tight to the hitter for me with the Angels,

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Speaker 3: I think I did it with the Kubbies.

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Speaker 4: Two.

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Speaker 3: If you caught a third strike, if you caught three

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Speaker 4: In the game, it was a nice bottle of wine.

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Speaker 3: If you caught the third strike of the game. Three,

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Speaker 3: the third strike of the game out game over on

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Speaker 3: a foul tip. That was a magnum. That's how important

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Speaker 3: it was to me. Foul tips. So the game changes

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Speaker 3: so often after foul tips, So all this stuff is

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Speaker 3: at new. Reaching out is what's new for me. Bob Boone,

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Speaker 3: I was with Boonie for a while with the Angels,

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Speaker 3: and Boonie was very good at receiving strikes. I remember

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Speaker 3: Mooney described to me how he caught. It was like

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Speaker 3: The circumference of the cup would be the strike zone,

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Speaker 3: In other words, if the ball was down, you would

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Speaker 3: always get and think of this too. Mentally, this was

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Speaker 3: mentally lower than the balls that's coming to That then

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Speaker 3: You want to get over the ball. Always bring it

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Speaker 3: Nothing new. Like I said, the difference would be two things.

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Speaker 3: I watched these games and I'm kind of like surprised

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Speaker 4: I mean framing or pulling. I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 3: And I really would expect to see more of that

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Speaker 4: You ain't getting anything.

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Speaker 3: So it's pulling pitches, framing pitches, it's pulling them and

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Speaker 3: this is part of the game. It's been permitted to

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Speaker 3: about differently. The biggest difference would be on the knee

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Speaker 3: and all those dudes grabbing strikes all the time, and

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Speaker 3: they say it even more strikes by signing a dozen

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Speaker 3: balls before the game. So this is that's how that

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Speaker 3: really some guys are actually pretty good at it. I

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Speaker 3: can't blame I can't land base to anybody or all

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Speaker 3: of them. But a lot of it has to do

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Speaker 3: the technique at all because you're going to hear from

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Speaker 3: all of it's being generated through analytical concepts. And while

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Speaker 3: you're doing that, you're really defaming the artistry of catching

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Speaker 1: Boy, I really got your motor going today, Joe. Right, wow,

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Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you just slipped in

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Speaker 1: there signing a dozen balls before the game start starting pitcher.

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Speaker 4: Glad did that work? Oh?

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Speaker 1: So listen, you know the job for me for a catcher.

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Speaker 1: Job one, make sure the strikes are strikes. That's right,

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Speaker 1: don't lose a strike as job number one. Number two,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't get it when I

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Speaker 1: see some of these catchers pulling pitches that should never happen.

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Speaker 2: It should be a subtle art.

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Speaker 1: It should be fingers like curling around the ball on

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Speaker 1: Here's my beef with the whole pitch framing thing. And

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Speaker 1: Ali Marmol is right. These catchers know that they are

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Speaker 2: That's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 1: They're being judged by a metric that I think is

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Speaker 2: Listen, I like the idea of framing.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt it's a powerful skill. It's always been

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Speaker 1: And in our haste to measure every darn thing in

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Speaker 1: So if I'm the umpire and I missed the call,

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Speaker 1: these umpires set up inside, you know, they have a

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Speaker 1: it doesn't. Here's my other beef. I hope you agree

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Speaker 1: catcher all the time. Doesn't mean you don't have a

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Speaker 1: bad game once in a while, but year to year,

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Speaker 1: you know what you're getting that defensive skill. It's the

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Speaker 1: same for a defender in the field. It's not a

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Speaker 1: fungible asset hitting. Yeah, I can go up and down.

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Speaker 1: My beef. Here is I'm looking at the top three

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Speaker 1: Jose Trevino the Yankees, Elias Diaz of the Rockies. Last year,

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Speaker 1: Kirk was thirteenth. Okay, Trevino was tenth, All right, at

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Speaker 1: least they're the top ten. Diez was fifty eighth. You

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Speaker 1: He was fifteenth in the major leagues last year in framing.

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Speaker 1: Makes sense, he's forty ninth this year. He all of

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Speaker 1: it doesn't do for me. Joe and I see guys

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Speaker 3: Okay, you got me over the map right now. I

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Speaker 3: mean there's wonderful points. I agree, Yes, I do agree.

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Speaker 3: What do you start? What do analysts do? Analysts analyze?

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Speaker 3: So if you hire analysts to analyze when they have

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Speaker 3: else to do. So does all these framing situations come

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Speaker 3: here to denigrate anybody, but you know, physically movement behind

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Speaker 3: you're saying, their whole world's being built upon around the

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Speaker 3: fact that they get pitches and that's how they're rewarded,

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Speaker 3: and that's why they're wanted. That's why they have jobs. Now,

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Speaker 3: like Kirk's pretty good offensive player, Dias I think. Also,

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, both good offensive player.

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Speaker 3: Good offensive player. So there's there's that part of it also.

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Speaker 3: So analysts analyze, So that's why a lot of this

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Speaker 3: they're paid to analyze things, and they come up with

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Speaker 3: they're there for that reason. They become lion ice for it,

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Speaker 4: How about pitchers want to you.

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Speaker 1: That's big. I'm really big on that. And here's a

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Speaker 1: good example on that shoe. Martine Maldonado right, right right.

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Speaker 1: Not an offensive player at all. I think we all

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Speaker 1: understand that, but all of those Houston Astro's pitchers.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to throw to him.

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Speaker 1: And when they got to the postseason, he was behind

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Speaker 1: the plate every day knowing that he's hitting ninth, he's

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Speaker 1: not gonna do much offensively, but the pitchers wanted I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you brought that up.

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Speaker 2: That's a big thing.

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Speaker 1: And right now, well, Martin Maldonado as rated as one

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Speaker 3: How about that depends on who's throwing to you, right,

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Speaker 3: But I mean your back to your point there. Yes,

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Speaker 4: Throw to me, right.

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Speaker 1: the Book of Joe podcasts. And we started talking about

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Speaker 1: who's closing job in Baltimore is let's call it tenuous

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Speaker 1: at this point, Joe. You know, as a manager, you

435
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Speaker 1: hate to have someone behind your closer. Normally, when your

436
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Speaker 1: closer comes into the game, your job as a manager

437
00:20:55,918 --> 00:20:58,518
Speaker 1: is over. It's sit back, relaxed, see how the rest

438
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Speaker 1: of the game plays out. Right now, Brandon Hyde has

439
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Speaker 1: to have somebody behind Craig Kimberl is actually taken him

440
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Speaker 1: out of the games and the ninth inning a couple

441
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Speaker 1: of times here in the last couple of weeks. It's

442
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Speaker 1: an issue for the Orioles. You know, listen, Craig Kimberl's

443
00:21:11,238 --> 00:21:13,598
Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame. He still has swing

444
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Speaker 1: and miss stuff. Batters are hitting one ninety three against him,

445
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Speaker 1: and he's striking out thirty six percent of the batters

446
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Speaker 1: he faces. Sounds good, right, but there's problems here with

447
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Speaker 1: Craig Kimberrel. And I'm not sure if you saw this

448
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Speaker 1: in Chicago.

449
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Speaker 2: When you had him.

450
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Speaker 1: I know he had a rough year with you in nineteen.

451
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Speaker 1: But he's just walking too many guys. He's not throwing

452
00:21:31,078 --> 00:21:35,478
Speaker 1: enough strikes thirteen percent, walk rate just sixty percent, strikes,

453
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Speaker 1: only fifty one percent first pitch strikes and he's a

454
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Speaker 1: two pitch guy, and the fastball, I'm sorry, the velocity

455
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Speaker 1: is just not the same in the big leagues. There's

456
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Speaker 1: a big difference between ninety seven and ninety four ninety five.

457
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Speaker 1: So for me, this is an issue that is going

458
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Speaker 1: to be ongoing. Joe for the Baltimore Orioles and Brandon Hyde,

459
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Speaker 1: I think they need to resolve it. I think they

460
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Speaker 1: need to get another back end bullpen armed to close games.

461
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Craig Kimberl can't do it, but I

462
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Speaker 1: think the reliability right now just is not there for

463
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Speaker 1: a team that, let's face it, is trying not to

464
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Speaker 1: get to the postseason, but to win the World Series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough one. When you have to get

466
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Speaker 3: somebody hot the moment your guy gets up, that's never

467
00:22:17,038 --> 00:22:20,278
Speaker 3: obviously a good thing. I don't see anything wrong with

468
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Speaker 3: moving him back somewhere earlier in the game, and only

469
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Speaker 3: saying that because I do think he'll get hot.

470
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Speaker 4: At some point this year. I do think he can't.

471
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Speaker 3: He tends to be streaky, and he's at that point

472
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Speaker 3: in his career that he's not necessarily just a guy anymore.

473
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Speaker 3: Even though he might be listed as one there. So

474
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Speaker 3: I think for me, a better way would get him

475
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Speaker 3: into a lesser role, maybe seventh any and permit him

476
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Speaker 3: to pitch and pitch through some mistakes possibly and get

477
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Speaker 3: on some kind of again a role. And oftentimes a

478
00:22:50,958 --> 00:22:54,478
Speaker 3: closer might make the comment or people might think that, Okay,

479
00:22:54,558 --> 00:22:57,358
Speaker 3: it's not as adrenaline rich that part of the game,

480
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Speaker 3: and because of that, you're not going to see the

481
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Speaker 3: same kind of ability out of this guy, which is

482
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Speaker 3: could be true. But if you're fighting for your baseball

483
00:23:04,038 --> 00:23:06,398
Speaker 3: life and you want to remain in the game and

484
00:23:06,438 --> 00:23:07,798
Speaker 3: you still feel like you have something.

485
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Speaker 4: Left, you can accept it.

486
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Speaker 3: But I I think he can all right now, I'd

487
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Speaker 3: be very concerned about that.

488
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Speaker 4: If I'm the Orioles.

489
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Speaker 3: I don't even know who all their other options are.

490
00:23:16,438 --> 00:23:18,478
Speaker 3: If there's somebody in house that're already a little bit better.

491
00:23:18,518 --> 00:23:20,918
Speaker 3: It's like, do you much prefer when it's the eighth

492
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Speaker 3: inning with lead because you'll love this so and so

493
00:23:23,038 --> 00:23:25,238
Speaker 3: coming in the game, and you're not so happy when

494
00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:27,558
Speaker 3: it's the ninth inning because because your guy's coming in

495
00:23:27,878 --> 00:23:30,398
Speaker 3: and that happens, that's happened in the past. I've been

496
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Speaker 3: involved in that myself, so I would back him off,

497
00:23:34,238 --> 00:23:35,958
Speaker 3: put him in a spot where he gets the pixe

498
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Speaker 3: a bit more off and let him know that find it,

499
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Speaker 3: and then put him back because he is he's.

500
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Speaker 4: Propensity to give up the home run too.

501
00:23:41,718 --> 00:23:44,078
Speaker 3: The fastball flattens out up in his own and it

502
00:23:44,078 --> 00:23:46,558
Speaker 3: doesn't ride like it had and it gets it gets smoked,

503
00:23:46,998 --> 00:23:49,158
Speaker 3: break the ball is outstanding, but the command of it's not.

504
00:23:49,598 --> 00:23:52,558
Speaker 3: It's all these things are issues. Absolutely, it's it's not

505
00:23:52,558 --> 00:23:55,318
Speaker 3: not pounded. I love the guy, it's just it's just fact.

506
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Speaker 3: So you got to you got to do something to

507
00:23:57,718 --> 00:24:01,318
Speaker 3: get him back to being more consistent. And when he

508
00:24:01,478 --> 00:24:04,158
Speaker 3: when his confidence gets to the point where he's kind

509
00:24:04,158 --> 00:24:06,278
Speaker 3: of on a roll again, then throw them back in

510
00:24:06,318 --> 00:24:08,478
Speaker 3: there because he'll get hot. He'll stay hot for a while,

511
00:24:08,718 --> 00:24:10,958
Speaker 3: but for right now, it's tough, man, And when you

512
00:24:10,958 --> 00:24:13,078
Speaker 3: gotta warm somebody up immediately, not good.

513
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I totally agree with you that he

514
00:24:15,638 --> 00:24:17,558
Speaker 1: does tend to be streaky, and I'm sure he has

515
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Speaker 1: a good run in him. As I said, you know,

516
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Speaker 1: you look at the batting average against in the strikeout rate,

517
00:24:22,478 --> 00:24:25,238
Speaker 1: that tells you his stuff is still there. My issue

518
00:24:25,238 --> 00:24:28,198
Speaker 1: with kimber Will has always been. If he does not

519
00:24:28,478 --> 00:24:31,078
Speaker 1: land his breaking ball for a strike, he's in trouble

520
00:24:31,678 --> 00:24:33,318
Speaker 1: because you can set your eyes at the top of

521
00:24:33,358 --> 00:24:35,758
Speaker 1: the zone for his fastball, and you're right. Sometimes it

522
00:24:35,798 --> 00:24:38,758
Speaker 1: flattens out. If it's not high enough, it's very hittable.

523
00:24:38,758 --> 00:24:40,838
Speaker 1: And again, losing one or two miles an hour. That's

524
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Speaker 1: a big difference in the major leagues. And the other

525
00:24:43,398 --> 00:24:45,998
Speaker 1: thing I don't like. I don't like closers who who

526
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Speaker 1: first of all, for me, for a closer, job one

527
00:24:48,758 --> 00:24:51,438
Speaker 1: and two is don't allow home runs and don't walk anybody.

528
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Speaker 1: Most closers are not giving up a bunch of hits,

529
00:24:53,918 --> 00:24:56,158
Speaker 1: let's face it, So keep the ball in the ballpark

530
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Speaker 1: and don't start a rally with a walk. And if

531
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Speaker 1: Kimberle walks somebody, it's a double. He does not hold runners.

532
00:25:01,798 --> 00:25:05,198
Speaker 1: Last two years base Steelers are fifteen sixteen. That scares

533
00:25:05,238 --> 00:25:08,398
Speaker 1: me as well. So I understand what you're saying here, Joe,

534
00:25:08,438 --> 00:25:11,878
Speaker 1: that he's going he's a streaky player. But the problem is,

535
00:25:11,918 --> 00:25:13,838
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's going to go away if he

536
00:25:13,878 --> 00:25:16,798
Speaker 1: has a nice little run. I think the issues here

537
00:25:17,198 --> 00:25:20,438
Speaker 1: are going to be sustainable for the Orioles. That's why

538
00:25:20,518 --> 00:25:22,198
Speaker 1: I think to sit here and think he's going to

539
00:25:22,238 --> 00:25:25,798
Speaker 1: go on a hot streak and everything solved, I would

540
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Speaker 1: not go that way. If I'm the Baltimore Orioles, I've

541
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Speaker 1: got a core of young position players. I can trade

542
00:25:30,278 --> 00:25:33,598
Speaker 1: from that surplus and go get myself a big arm.

543
00:25:33,758 --> 00:25:36,198
Speaker 1: And you know what, having two big arms back end

544
00:25:36,238 --> 00:25:37,838
Speaker 1: of the game is great because I don't know that

545
00:25:37,918 --> 00:25:42,198
Speaker 1: Jennier Cano or Danny Coulomb, who have closed for Brandon

546
00:25:42,238 --> 00:25:44,358
Speaker 1: Hyde so far this year, I don't think they're long

547
00:25:44,438 --> 00:25:46,238
Speaker 1: term answers. I don't think that he wants to close

548
00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:48,158
Speaker 1: games in the postseason with them. So if I've got

549
00:25:48,198 --> 00:25:50,878
Speaker 1: another arm with Kimberrel, sign me up for that.

550
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

551
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Speaker 3: I didn't want to insinuate that I thought it was

552
00:25:53,198 --> 00:25:55,958
Speaker 3: going to get well just because we tried a different tact.

553
00:25:55,958 --> 00:25:59,878
Speaker 3: I agree with you. It's a hard bet right now.

554
00:25:59,918 --> 00:26:01,838
Speaker 3: It's not like he's, you know, back in his prime.

555
00:26:02,238 --> 00:26:03,558
Speaker 4: Things have changed a little bit.

556
00:26:04,158 --> 00:26:07,478
Speaker 3: You're right about the break upon. Furthermore, you're absolutely right about.

557
00:26:07,438 --> 00:26:08,238
Speaker 4: Time to the plate.

558
00:26:08,438 --> 00:26:10,518
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't understand why people just don't run

559
00:26:10,558 --> 00:26:14,518
Speaker 3: all the time. If you hold back for a certain count,

560
00:26:14,958 --> 00:26:16,438
Speaker 3: I don't get it, because you can't even pitch out

561
00:26:16,438 --> 00:26:18,878
Speaker 3: with him, not that anybody does anymore, but when a

562
00:26:18,918 --> 00:26:21,518
Speaker 3: guy doesn't throw strikes, you're really even more reticent to

563
00:26:21,558 --> 00:26:25,518
Speaker 3: pitch out under those circumstances. So yeah, it doesn't ensure anything.

564
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Speaker 3: I'm just suggesting that I would do something like that

565
00:26:27,678 --> 00:26:32,678
Speaker 3: to see if it would be beneficial. But in the meantime, man, when,

566
00:26:32,718 --> 00:26:34,438
Speaker 3: like I said, when you're bringing your ninth any guy

567
00:26:34,478 --> 00:26:36,158
Speaker 3: and you like that less than your eighth any guy,

568
00:26:36,478 --> 00:26:37,238
Speaker 3: it's not a good thing.

569
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Speaker 1: Now, Chris Bryant, and I really want to get your

570
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Speaker 1: take on Chris, because I like Chris a lot. It

571
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Speaker 1: looked like when his first few years in the major

572
00:26:45,598 --> 00:26:47,678
Speaker 1: leagues he had the world on a string. Right, Rookie

573
00:26:47,678 --> 00:26:51,678
Speaker 1: of the Year, MVP World Series champion, gets on the

574
00:26:51,678 --> 00:26:55,158
Speaker 1: free agent market after not signing extension offers from the Cubs,

575
00:26:55,198 --> 00:26:57,518
Speaker 1: which is fine, it's his opportunity to really get that

576
00:26:57,598 --> 00:27:00,238
Speaker 1: killer contract. Then he got it from the Colorado Rockies

577
00:27:00,598 --> 00:27:03,558
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty two million dollars. But Chris is

578
00:27:03,598 --> 00:27:06,478
Speaker 1: not performed well to say, you know, to be kind,

579
00:27:07,318 --> 00:27:10,478
Speaker 1: his ops plus is ninety. That means he's ten percent

580
00:27:10,558 --> 00:27:13,318
Speaker 1: worse than the average major league player. And more than that,

581
00:27:13,518 --> 00:27:17,878
Speaker 1: he has missed sixty three percent of Colorado's games since

582
00:27:17,878 --> 00:27:20,238
Speaker 1: he signed because of injuries. And he's got a back

583
00:27:20,278 --> 00:27:22,598
Speaker 1: ailment now he's on the IL, he's got a.

584
00:27:22,558 --> 00:27:25,318
Speaker 2: Disc issue, he's got arthritis.

585
00:27:25,598 --> 00:27:28,078
Speaker 1: There's some longer term issues here for Chris Brant as well,

586
00:27:28,118 --> 00:27:30,638
Speaker 1: who's now what thirty two years old, And he did

587
00:27:30,638 --> 00:27:32,918
Speaker 1: an interview recently in which he talked about he thinks

588
00:27:32,958 --> 00:27:34,918
Speaker 1: his skills are still there and it really eats him

589
00:27:34,958 --> 00:27:36,958
Speaker 1: up that he's not able to be out there playing

590
00:27:36,958 --> 00:27:39,278
Speaker 1: for the Rockies because he has gotten a lot of

591
00:27:39,358 --> 00:27:41,958
Speaker 1: negative feedback from the fans. They boo him from time

592
00:27:41,998 --> 00:27:44,198
Speaker 1: to time when he's out there. Joe, you know this

593
00:27:44,278 --> 00:27:46,838
Speaker 1: guy well, I mean, he's a real sweetheart. But where

594
00:27:46,878 --> 00:27:48,878
Speaker 1: do you think his head is at after signing that

595
00:27:48,958 --> 00:27:51,438
Speaker 1: deal and missing so many games with the Rockies and

596
00:27:51,478 --> 00:27:53,678
Speaker 1: not being the player we all think he can be.

597
00:27:54,078 --> 00:27:55,398
Speaker 4: First of all, he is a sweetheart.

598
00:27:55,478 --> 00:27:57,318
Speaker 3: I like this man a lot. I like his family

599
00:27:57,358 --> 00:28:00,518
Speaker 3: a lot. He had a great relationship. Talked to him

600
00:28:00,558 --> 00:28:03,638
Speaker 3: often with the Cubbies, just trying to keep him thinking

601
00:28:03,758 --> 00:28:07,758
Speaker 3: right way. And that's one number two. He's a very

602
00:28:07,798 --> 00:28:11,158
Speaker 3: good athlete. He's a very good baseball player. He understands

603
00:28:11,158 --> 00:28:13,758
Speaker 3: the game, and he plays the game right and well.

604
00:28:13,798 --> 00:28:16,118
Speaker 3: He's a really good base runner, very good base runner.

605
00:28:16,478 --> 00:28:19,198
Speaker 3: He's got a fine arm. He could play multiple positions,

606
00:28:19,238 --> 00:28:22,478
Speaker 3: he could steal bases. He does a lot of things

607
00:28:22,518 --> 00:28:27,358
Speaker 3: really really well on a baseball field, really well. Big body,

608
00:28:27,478 --> 00:28:31,518
Speaker 3: like he's saying, and always always ran hard to first base. God,

609
00:28:31,558 --> 00:28:35,998
Speaker 3: he ran hard to first base, and I so respected

610
00:28:36,078 --> 00:28:38,078
Speaker 3: him and the guy played. He would turn his anchor

611
00:28:38,118 --> 00:28:39,838
Speaker 3: once in a while. He might miss like a day.

612
00:28:40,118 --> 00:28:42,558
Speaker 3: At that point, he never missed this kind of time.

613
00:28:42,718 --> 00:28:45,998
Speaker 3: He would miss a moment, but not time. The big

614
00:28:46,038 --> 00:28:49,718
Speaker 3: thing for me, quite frankly, is his hitting stroke is

615
00:28:49,798 --> 00:28:53,518
Speaker 3: batting style. I think that's what's the biggest problem. The

616
00:28:53,558 --> 00:28:56,278
Speaker 3: way he folds over and reaches out and just hits

617
00:28:56,318 --> 00:28:58,438
Speaker 3: a lot of weak ground balls on the pull side.

618
00:28:58,478 --> 00:29:00,798
Speaker 3: I don't even know what his exit velocities are these days,

619
00:29:01,358 --> 00:29:03,638
Speaker 3: or how often he's hit the ball hard recently or

620
00:29:03,678 --> 00:29:06,638
Speaker 3: in the past. That's the one thing I've always wanted

621
00:29:06,638 --> 00:29:10,038
Speaker 3: to would like to see that, And I know it's

622
00:29:10,078 --> 00:29:12,558
Speaker 3: not easy when you're thirty two to try something differently,

623
00:29:12,598 --> 00:29:15,518
Speaker 3: but the idea of him changing his stroke just.

624
00:29:15,478 --> 00:29:16,918
Speaker 4: A little bit and get back in the right center.

625
00:29:16,918 --> 00:29:19,118
Speaker 3: Because when you talk to THEO, one of the most

626
00:29:19,118 --> 00:29:21,798
Speaker 3: attractive parts about signing him out of San Diego was

627
00:29:21,838 --> 00:29:24,118
Speaker 3: the fact that he drove the Opo gap. When he

628
00:29:24,158 --> 00:29:26,118
Speaker 3: was in the minor leagues, he drove the Opo gap,

629
00:29:26,278 --> 00:29:29,238
Speaker 3: and with us he did. But God, he started like

630
00:29:29,278 --> 00:29:30,918
Speaker 3: you know, he pummeled the ball the left center. He

631
00:29:30,958 --> 00:29:33,118
Speaker 3: just pummeled it everywhere. I just think that is the

632
00:29:33,238 --> 00:29:36,798
Speaker 3: breaking down way. Bends over, like I say, folds and

633
00:29:36,958 --> 00:29:39,678
Speaker 3: just reaches out and hits ground balls of the pull side.

634
00:29:39,718 --> 00:29:42,078
Speaker 3: He runs well, and he's beating him out and sometimes

635
00:29:42,078 --> 00:29:44,838
Speaker 3: that has kept him solvent so as he comes back

636
00:29:45,438 --> 00:29:47,918
Speaker 3: keeping everything else the same, I mean everything, because he's

637
00:29:47,958 --> 00:29:50,998
Speaker 3: a really good baseball player and he's a great teammate.

638
00:29:51,518 --> 00:29:53,918
Speaker 3: If he could just do something within his batting style,

639
00:29:53,998 --> 00:29:57,598
Speaker 3: batting stance to maintain his posture longer and mentally get

640
00:29:57,638 --> 00:30:01,118
Speaker 3: back into the other gap, to me, I'd find that interesting,

641
00:30:01,238 --> 00:30:04,598
Speaker 3: just like I'm suggested with Kimberle something differently, I would

642
00:30:04,598 --> 00:30:07,958
Speaker 3: do that with KB because he's well, I mean, and

643
00:30:08,198 --> 00:30:09,598
Speaker 3: again I don't know how well he is or how

644
00:30:09,598 --> 00:30:13,238
Speaker 3: bad he's hurting, but he is a really good baseball player.

645
00:30:13,558 --> 00:30:15,918
Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds me. I'm glad you mentioned that he's

646
00:30:15,918 --> 00:30:18,118
Speaker 1: such a good base runner. When we sat down and

647
00:30:18,438 --> 00:30:21,478
Speaker 1: rewatched Game seven of the twenty sixteen World Series with

648
00:30:21,558 --> 00:30:24,918
Speaker 1: Terry Francona, there's Chris Brian at six foot six scoring

649
00:30:24,918 --> 00:30:27,878
Speaker 1: from first base on a single and scoring easily and

650
00:30:27,998 --> 00:30:32,758
Speaker 1: just cutting the corners and just flying. So athleticism is

651
00:30:32,878 --> 00:30:35,958
Speaker 1: off the charts, especially for someone that tall. You know, Joe,

652
00:30:36,038 --> 00:30:39,358
Speaker 1: you mentioned exit velocity, which is interesting. Now, it's probably

653
00:30:39,398 --> 00:30:41,918
Speaker 1: too small of a sample this year because he hasn't

654
00:30:41,918 --> 00:30:44,238
Speaker 1: played very much, but he was at eighty nine point three,

655
00:30:44,278 --> 00:30:48,798
Speaker 1: which is pretty good. Actually, his career high exit velocity

656
00:30:48,918 --> 00:30:52,758
Speaker 1: average active velosity his rookie year eighty nine point seven.

657
00:30:53,158 --> 00:30:56,638
Speaker 1: He's never been like a huge exit vlow guy. Eighty

658
00:30:56,678 --> 00:31:00,478
Speaker 1: nine to seven is good, it's not great. In the

659
00:31:00,518 --> 00:31:02,238
Speaker 1: last couple of years when he has been on the

660
00:31:02,238 --> 00:31:04,678
Speaker 1: field for the Rockies, it's been down around eighty five.

661
00:31:05,838 --> 00:31:09,518
Speaker 1: So there, there's probably something to what you're saying here,

662
00:31:09,598 --> 00:31:12,518
Speaker 1: because he's got the levers, he's got the strength, but

663
00:31:13,078 --> 00:31:15,478
Speaker 1: he does not smash the ball the way you think

664
00:31:15,518 --> 00:31:17,878
Speaker 1: he should, especially in the last couple of years, he

665
00:31:17,958 --> 00:31:18,718
Speaker 1: lose his posture.

666
00:31:18,798 --> 00:31:20,518
Speaker 3: That's what I think I mean. I'd love to see

667
00:31:20,558 --> 00:31:22,598
Speaker 3: him come back and keep his butt underneath him. He

668
00:31:22,678 --> 00:31:24,238
Speaker 3: sets up that way. The other thing he and I

669
00:31:24,278 --> 00:31:28,478
Speaker 3: used to talk about. He'd start waving that bat over

670
00:31:28,638 --> 00:31:31,438
Speaker 3: on his shoulder a lot before the pitch would come,

671
00:31:31,438 --> 00:31:33,438
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden he'd get it up

672
00:31:33,598 --> 00:31:36,278
Speaker 3: to a higher position than he would go from there,

673
00:31:36,518 --> 00:31:38,558
Speaker 3: and I thought he'd be too late. And I used

674
00:31:38,558 --> 00:31:40,838
Speaker 3: to just say quiet, quiet on the set. I liked

675
00:31:40,878 --> 00:31:43,358
Speaker 3: when he was quiet, not a whole lot of movement,

676
00:31:43,678 --> 00:31:46,758
Speaker 3: because then from that point then he could be I thought.

677
00:31:46,598 --> 00:31:47,558
Speaker 4: He was more on time.

678
00:31:47,998 --> 00:31:51,038
Speaker 3: That was my perception of him. So it's posture and

679
00:31:51,478 --> 00:31:53,838
Speaker 3: being quiet. If he could have two things, and if

680
00:31:53,838 --> 00:31:55,918
Speaker 3: his head would stay in right centered, I think that'd

681
00:31:55,918 --> 00:31:57,798
Speaker 3: be a great place to start as he comes back.

682
00:31:58,238 --> 00:31:59,438
Speaker 4: I want to see him do great.

683
00:31:59,678 --> 00:32:02,318
Speaker 3: I like him that much, like his family that much,

684
00:32:02,918 --> 00:32:06,198
Speaker 3: and he is. He's an outstanding baseball player. And what

685
00:32:06,958 --> 00:32:09,518
Speaker 3: everybody doesn't like is that his offense has been so tough.

686
00:32:09,598 --> 00:32:10,838
Speaker 4: That's it, nothing else.

687
00:32:11,278 --> 00:32:13,758
Speaker 3: He plays the game hard man, he plays the hit

688
00:32:13,838 --> 00:32:16,078
Speaker 3: game hard, and as a manager, he got in love

689
00:32:16,118 --> 00:32:19,278
Speaker 3: and appreciate that his whole game is acceptable, more than

690
00:32:19,318 --> 00:32:22,678
Speaker 3: acceptable when he's hitting, and he's not hitting right now,

691
00:32:22,798 --> 00:32:24,678
Speaker 3: and that's why you're hearing all the noise.

692
00:32:25,158 --> 00:32:27,518
Speaker 1: So it sounds to me, Joe, like you believe he's

693
00:32:27,558 --> 00:32:30,318
Speaker 1: correct and saying that skills are still there and you

694
00:32:30,358 --> 00:32:32,438
Speaker 1: know he's going to get back to an elite level.

695
00:32:32,478 --> 00:32:34,758
Speaker 2: I mean at thirty two, that's still relatively young. Know

696
00:32:34,798 --> 00:32:35,278
Speaker 2: what he's saying.

697
00:32:35,318 --> 00:32:37,358
Speaker 1: He's done at this point, but the injuries do start

698
00:32:37,438 --> 00:32:40,518
Speaker 1: to mount, they take some things away. You've been around

699
00:32:40,598 --> 00:32:42,998
Speaker 1: enough veteran players to know, like the great ones you

700
00:32:43,118 --> 00:32:47,158
Speaker 1: never count out right, I mean injuries, they can overcome

701
00:32:47,998 --> 00:32:51,078
Speaker 1: swing changes, the good ones, the great ones will make them.

702
00:32:51,358 --> 00:32:53,558
Speaker 1: So it sounds to me like you believe that there's

703
00:32:53,598 --> 00:32:55,718
Speaker 1: more of the tank here for Chris Bryant that if

704
00:32:55,718 --> 00:32:58,438
Speaker 1: you're a Rocky fan, you're thinking, well, this contract is

705
00:32:58,678 --> 00:33:01,198
Speaker 1: a total waste. It sounds like what you're saying is

706
00:33:01,198 --> 00:33:03,078
Speaker 1: the book's not closed to here on Chris Bryant.

707
00:33:03,398 --> 00:33:05,838
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a really good baseball player and a

708
00:33:05,878 --> 00:33:07,598
Speaker 3: really good human being. You did, You did a great

709
00:33:07,678 --> 00:33:10,038
Speaker 3: job with that. What's going on right now is his

710
00:33:10,118 --> 00:33:13,358
Speaker 3: offense has steadily declined, and like I can't be more

711
00:33:13,518 --> 00:33:16,678
Speaker 3: specific regarding what I what I think, and that's a

712
00:33:16,758 --> 00:33:18,958
Speaker 3: better posture. Get up more upright and get in that

713
00:33:18,998 --> 00:33:21,758
Speaker 3: other other gap first and just drive drive the ball.

714
00:33:21,798 --> 00:33:24,998
Speaker 3: I could VP Roberto Clemen. He'd come to spring training

715
00:33:25,078 --> 00:33:28,358
Speaker 3: right back in the day. Got this from some reliable sources.

716
00:33:28,598 --> 00:33:30,478
Speaker 3: The first two weeks of spring training, I think it

717
00:33:30,518 --> 00:33:32,878
Speaker 3: was two weeks. He would never hit a ball on

718
00:33:32,918 --> 00:33:36,478
Speaker 3: the pull side of second base, never pulled pull the ball.

719
00:33:36,518 --> 00:33:37,838
Speaker 4: He'd everything be second.

720
00:33:37,638 --> 00:33:39,558
Speaker 3: Base with the first base side for the first two

721
00:33:39,598 --> 00:33:42,078
Speaker 3: weeks to really make sure that this this swing was

722
00:33:42,118 --> 00:33:44,758
Speaker 3: grooved in that in that position, in that way, and

723
00:33:44,798 --> 00:33:47,598
Speaker 3: then it would just then he'd become Roberto and you know,

724
00:33:48,238 --> 00:33:50,478
Speaker 3: line the line whatever, Tony Gwinn from the right side,

725
00:33:50,518 --> 00:33:52,278
Speaker 3: wherever you want to call him. But it's got to

726
00:33:52,318 --> 00:33:54,838
Speaker 3: be specific, and it's got to got to believe in

727
00:33:54,838 --> 00:33:55,118
Speaker 3: it too.

728
00:33:55,118 --> 00:33:56,958
Speaker 4: And this is my opinion, my suggestion.

729
00:33:57,078 --> 00:33:58,918
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not in charge of I'm not the

730
00:33:58,958 --> 00:34:01,998
Speaker 3: hitting coach. I'm I don't have all the information the data.

731
00:34:01,998 --> 00:34:04,718
Speaker 3: I'm just talking observationally, and what I saw while I

732
00:34:04,758 --> 00:34:06,718
Speaker 3: was with him, I'd love to see it, because the

733
00:34:06,758 --> 00:34:08,358
Speaker 3: man is a good baseball player.

734
00:34:08,358 --> 00:34:09,878
Speaker 4: He's a really good baseball player.

735
00:34:10,198 --> 00:34:12,838
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he should be made for that ballpark as well. Yes,

736
00:34:12,918 --> 00:34:16,398
Speaker 1: it's a great place for anybody to hit. But you know, Chris,

737
00:34:16,438 --> 00:34:18,438
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, I always thought the same way. When

738
00:34:18,438 --> 00:34:21,118
Speaker 1: he's going right, he's hitting bullets at the right center,

739
00:34:21,998 --> 00:34:23,998
Speaker 1: and he can run all day with that big outfield

740
00:34:24,038 --> 00:34:25,678
Speaker 1: out there, so that should help him.

741
00:34:25,718 --> 00:34:28,318
Speaker 3: Plus he plays all the positions. I mean, you know,

742
00:34:28,318 --> 00:34:30,758
Speaker 3: you know, I liked him in the outfield. I think

743
00:34:30,798 --> 00:34:33,158
Speaker 3: he likes the outfield better than the infield. But he

744
00:34:33,158 --> 00:34:36,238
Speaker 3: could play third or first base, no doubt. And then again,

745
00:34:36,278 --> 00:34:39,398
Speaker 3: what is your expectation with that. He learned how to

746
00:34:39,398 --> 00:34:40,918
Speaker 3: throw better, he learned how to come in on slow

747
00:34:40,998 --> 00:34:42,478
Speaker 3: rollers better. He did a lot of things. But he's

748
00:34:42,518 --> 00:34:46,398
Speaker 3: a really good athlete. So those that are condemning him, stop.

749
00:34:46,678 --> 00:34:48,678
Speaker 3: This guy is a really good baseball player.

750
00:34:49,158 --> 00:34:50,078
Speaker 4: His bat, his.

751
00:34:50,158 --> 00:34:53,558
Speaker 3: Offense, is his style, his his mechanics. This is a

752
00:34:53,638 --> 00:34:56,758
Speaker 3: time where technique and mechanics, to me, really are more

753
00:34:56,798 --> 00:34:59,798
Speaker 3: important than the mental mechanics. It's the physical mechanics. And

754
00:34:59,878 --> 00:35:02,878
Speaker 3: once he gets the physical mechanics back in order, then

755
00:35:02,918 --> 00:35:05,398
Speaker 3: it's then it really the mental mechanics are going to

756
00:35:05,438 --> 00:35:07,958
Speaker 3: be what's going to control the success or not. I

757
00:35:07,998 --> 00:35:09,318
Speaker 3: want to see him, man, I want to see him

758
00:35:09,318 --> 00:35:10,798
Speaker 3: back in an All Star game. I want to see

759
00:35:10,878 --> 00:35:13,478
Speaker 3: him help lead the Rockies. I mean Buddy Blacksner too.

760
00:35:13,478 --> 00:35:15,358
Speaker 3: PEPPI and I go way back.

761
00:35:15,758 --> 00:35:15,878
Speaker 4: You know.

762
00:35:16,118 --> 00:35:17,998
Speaker 3: I'm attached to these guys. I want to see them

763
00:35:18,038 --> 00:35:21,438
Speaker 3: do well and a lot of it. KB coming back

764
00:35:21,478 --> 00:35:24,358
Speaker 3: as KB could be a big difference maker for them.

765
00:35:24,558 --> 00:35:24,758
Speaker 4: Yeah.

766
00:35:24,798 --> 00:35:27,358
Speaker 1: By the way, reminded me of a trivia question I

767
00:35:27,398 --> 00:35:29,558
Speaker 1: have for you, Joe who hit the most home runs

768
00:35:29,598 --> 00:35:32,678
Speaker 1: in the major leagues from twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen.

769
00:35:33,078 --> 00:35:36,278
Speaker 2: Oh, Chris Bryant, No, it's another Chris.

770
00:35:36,358 --> 00:35:37,998
Speaker 4: Oh with an H.

771
00:35:38,518 --> 00:35:39,558
Speaker 2: Chris Davis.

772
00:35:39,878 --> 00:35:44,158
Speaker 1: Oh, god ya from the Oakland Athletics. Yes, Highland bring

773
00:35:44,198 --> 00:35:46,918
Speaker 1: it up, because, yes, it's another Chris. But he, I

774
00:35:46,958 --> 00:35:50,038
Speaker 1: guess formally or informally announced his retirement. I mean, he

775
00:35:50,038 --> 00:35:53,598
Speaker 1: hasn't played for a couple of years, but becomes official

776
00:35:53,878 --> 00:35:55,718
Speaker 1: based on his his word.

777
00:35:56,518 --> 00:35:57,398
Speaker 2: This is interesting.

778
00:35:57,478 --> 00:36:01,238
Speaker 1: First of all, he's best known because in twenty fifteen

779
00:36:01,358 --> 00:36:05,438
Speaker 1: he hit two forty seven. In sixteen, he hit two

780
00:36:05,478 --> 00:36:09,598
Speaker 1: forty seven. In twenty seventeen, he hit two forty seven.

781
00:36:10,118 --> 00:36:14,078
Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, he hit two forty seven. Come on,

782
00:36:14,358 --> 00:36:15,838
Speaker 1: and his career batting average.

783
00:36:16,278 --> 00:36:20,798
Speaker 2: No, it's two forty two. But you'll love this.

784
00:36:21,678 --> 00:36:24,398
Speaker 1: He's going to retire and start a new career as

785
00:36:25,198 --> 00:36:26,318
Speaker 1: an auto mechanic.

786
00:36:26,958 --> 00:36:27,638
Speaker 2: How great is that.

787
00:36:27,678 --> 00:36:30,158
Speaker 3: The name of the place will be to forty seven

788
00:36:30,198 --> 00:36:34,358
Speaker 3: Auto rights. He said he lives in Longbeach Cherry, right,

789
00:36:34,398 --> 00:36:35,638
Speaker 3: He's from that area out there, is it?

790
00:36:35,718 --> 00:36:38,158
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean he was a great poll hitter. I

791
00:36:38,198 --> 00:36:40,958
Speaker 2: mean he was a I could see him in the box.

792
00:36:41,158 --> 00:36:43,718
Speaker 1: That quiet set up, the lower hands and then the

793
00:36:44,118 --> 00:36:46,758
Speaker 1: really quick bat speed. He could turn around anything. There

794
00:36:46,838 --> 00:36:49,718
Speaker 1: was definitely swinging this in there. But yeah, just a strong,

795
00:36:49,798 --> 00:36:50,518
Speaker 1: powerful hitter.

796
00:36:50,838 --> 00:36:53,038
Speaker 3: A lot of motorheads out that part of the country. Man,

797
00:36:53,038 --> 00:36:53,918
Speaker 3: it's great spot to.

798
00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:56,278
Speaker 4: Be into the auto industry stuff. I love it.

799
00:36:56,358 --> 00:36:59,518
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, by the way, is a perfect segue to

800
00:36:59,558 --> 00:37:00,598
Speaker 1: our next topic here.

801
00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:01,918
Speaker 2: We teased it at the top.

802
00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:07,678
Speaker 1: The Americans Dan, what has happened to them? Joe and

803
00:37:07,718 --> 00:37:10,438
Speaker 1: I will dive into that right after this on the

804
00:37:10,438 --> 00:37:22,198
Speaker 1: Book of Joe.

805
00:37:23,198 --> 00:37:25,838
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Book of Joe and Joe.

806
00:37:25,878 --> 00:37:28,998
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, but the Malibu

807
00:37:29,318 --> 00:37:34,958
Speaker 1: is dead. The Chevy Malibu, which was the first year

808
00:37:35,038 --> 00:37:39,638
Speaker 1: Minel year was nineteen sixty four, and it lasted until

809
00:37:39,678 --> 00:37:40,158
Speaker 1: eighty three.

810
00:37:40,238 --> 00:37:41,718
Speaker 2: They killed it, then they brought it back.

811
00:37:42,238 --> 00:37:45,318
Speaker 1: They brought it back in nineteen ninety seven, and they

812
00:37:45,478 --> 00:37:49,238
Speaker 1: just decided Chevy decided that's it. No more Malibu. What's

813
00:37:49,278 --> 00:37:55,238
Speaker 1: interesting about this The Malibu was Chevy's third most sold

814
00:37:55,398 --> 00:37:59,158
Speaker 1: vehicle last year. Really, Silverado was number one, The Equinox

815
00:37:59,238 --> 00:38:03,038
Speaker 1: was number two. The Malibu, which went for about twenty

816
00:38:03,038 --> 00:38:06,278
Speaker 1: five grand, which is cheap in today's world. They sold

817
00:38:06,278 --> 00:38:08,998
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty thousand of those, and now it's gone.

818
00:38:09,478 --> 00:38:12,998
Speaker 1: So they're saying, why is it gone? Well, as I mentioned,

819
00:38:13,078 --> 00:38:16,438
Speaker 1: the Silverado number one, Equinox number two, nobody wants a

820
00:38:16,478 --> 00:38:22,078
Speaker 1: sedan anymore, Joe. The country has gone crazy for SUVs

821
00:38:22,798 --> 00:38:26,758
Speaker 1: and pickup trucks, and this sedan is literally dead. Dodge

822
00:38:26,758 --> 00:38:30,158
Speaker 1: and Chrysler got rid of sedans in twenty sixteen. Ford

823
00:38:30,358 --> 00:38:33,438
Speaker 1: got rid of sedans in twenty eighteen, and now GM

824
00:38:33,638 --> 00:38:37,838
Speaker 1: does not sell a sedan in the United States of America.

825
00:38:38,318 --> 00:38:38,838
Speaker 2: How about that?

826
00:38:39,278 --> 00:38:42,518
Speaker 3: I got a seventy two Malibu my garage right behind me,

827
00:38:42,598 --> 00:38:46,798
Speaker 3: right now underneath me. Actually, my seventy two convertible Malibu.

828
00:38:46,998 --> 00:38:50,078
Speaker 3: Shabelle is sitting downstairs and absolutely love it.

829
00:38:50,198 --> 00:38:53,158
Speaker 4: What I'd like. I don't know why we I what

830
00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:53,638
Speaker 4: do I know?

831
00:38:53,758 --> 00:38:57,078
Speaker 3: But I mean, the Dodge has done such a great job.

832
00:38:56,918 --> 00:38:59,758
Speaker 4: Bringing back the Challenger and the Charger.

833
00:39:00,038 --> 00:39:03,078
Speaker 3: You know, it's muscle cars with like a really not

834
00:39:03,118 --> 00:39:06,278
Speaker 3: necessarily the Charge as much as the Challenger, the Hellcat

835
00:39:06,318 --> 00:39:10,118
Speaker 3: and the Demon looking like the retro car itself. I

836
00:39:10,358 --> 00:39:14,478
Speaker 3: love to see an SS Chevelle brought back with this

837
00:39:14,558 --> 00:39:18,238
Speaker 3: similar a modern day version of that particular style.

838
00:39:18,278 --> 00:39:20,918
Speaker 4: But then again, nobody wants. I guess if they bring

839
00:39:20,958 --> 00:39:22,398
Speaker 4: it back as electric, somebody might like it.

840
00:39:22,438 --> 00:39:25,718
Speaker 3: Although electric cars fortunately are not being that there's a

841
00:39:25,718 --> 00:39:27,198
Speaker 3: lot of surplus with those right now.

842
00:39:27,238 --> 00:39:30,238
Speaker 4: I like my Challenger Man and it can go. I

843
00:39:31,038 --> 00:39:31,918
Speaker 4: missed out. I got that.

844
00:39:32,038 --> 00:39:35,758
Speaker 3: I got a station Wagon. I have my seventy nine Lincoln.

845
00:39:36,638 --> 00:39:39,518
Speaker 3: I have a fifty six bel Air that's outstanding. All

846
00:39:39,518 --> 00:39:43,438
Speaker 3: these cars run wonderfully and great. It's about utility obviously, right,

847
00:39:43,598 --> 00:39:45,518
Speaker 3: just being able to throw stuff in groceries whatever. How

848
00:39:45,518 --> 00:39:48,598
Speaker 3: about my station wagon. There's nothing better than that station wagon.

849
00:39:48,638 --> 00:39:51,278
Speaker 3: I just drove it up from Florida, totally packed, eighty

850
00:39:51,278 --> 00:39:55,958
Speaker 3: five Ozenbiel custom cruiser. It's an eighty eight. It's called

851
00:39:55,998 --> 00:39:58,678
Speaker 3: an OS eighty eight, and that thing still runs strong

852
00:39:58,718 --> 00:40:01,678
Speaker 3: at sixty five thousand miles from nineteen eighty five. So

853
00:40:01,758 --> 00:40:03,158
Speaker 3: I'm the wrong guy to talk to you about this

854
00:40:03,198 --> 00:40:06,198
Speaker 3: stuff because I like driving. I like driving. I like

855
00:40:06,238 --> 00:40:09,918
Speaker 3: driving different vehicles. I'm like an old airline airplane pilot

856
00:40:09,918 --> 00:40:12,838
Speaker 3: that likes to fly different airplanes in order.

857
00:40:12,758 --> 00:40:15,358
Speaker 4: To get the field and whatever, every different one. So

858
00:40:15,718 --> 00:40:16,998
Speaker 4: it's sad. It's sad.

859
00:40:17,078 --> 00:40:19,278
Speaker 3: I would like that, I said, if they want to

860
00:40:19,278 --> 00:40:20,878
Speaker 3: bring it back, I'd like to see a.

861
00:40:20,878 --> 00:40:23,638
Speaker 4: More retro look to these things.

862
00:40:23,878 --> 00:40:26,558
Speaker 3: Maybe put an engine in that really you could hear

863
00:40:26,598 --> 00:40:27,758
Speaker 3: it a little bit and feel it.

864
00:40:28,158 --> 00:40:30,558
Speaker 4: I don't like driving anything that I can hear my engine.

865
00:40:30,838 --> 00:40:32,558
Speaker 2: Well, Joe, I think you hit on something.

866
00:40:32,918 --> 00:40:36,198
Speaker 1: I think your seventy two Malibu, if I remember correctly,

867
00:40:36,358 --> 00:40:39,358
Speaker 1: had some style to it. Look what's happened to the

868
00:40:39,398 --> 00:40:42,438
Speaker 1: modern iteration of the Malibu. The one's built you know

869
00:40:43,038 --> 00:40:44,198
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety seven.

870
00:40:44,398 --> 00:40:45,038
Speaker 2: They're boring.

871
00:40:45,158 --> 00:40:46,678
Speaker 4: Let's face it, unrecognizable.

872
00:40:46,758 --> 00:40:49,918
Speaker 1: That's your definition of boring. And they wonder why the

873
00:40:49,998 --> 00:40:53,118
Speaker 1: Sedana is extinct. What happens if you actually design something

874
00:40:53,158 --> 00:40:55,318
Speaker 1: with some flair and some style, maybe it would sell.

875
00:40:55,958 --> 00:40:56,838
Speaker 2: Now I get it.

876
00:40:56,998 --> 00:41:00,358
Speaker 1: People, it's like a race on the road to get

877
00:41:00,438 --> 00:41:02,838
Speaker 1: a bigger vehicle than the guy next to you. Like

878
00:41:02,918 --> 00:41:05,678
Speaker 1: everybody's worried about safety and what happens if I'm a

879
00:41:05,678 --> 00:41:08,118
Speaker 1: collision and there's so many SUVs out there, you feel

880
00:41:08,198 --> 00:41:13,238
Speaker 1: like you're essentially under armed if you go to a sedan, right,

881
00:41:13,278 --> 00:41:16,198
Speaker 1: because now you're lower than them. Saedans five years ago

882
00:41:16,358 --> 00:41:19,958
Speaker 1: accounted for about forty nine percent of SUVs, forty nine

883
00:41:19,998 --> 00:41:23,638
Speaker 1: percent SUVs. Last year it was fifty six percent, and

884
00:41:23,678 --> 00:41:27,398
Speaker 1: it keeps going up. So the majority of people want SUVs.

885
00:41:27,598 --> 00:41:30,958
Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that the sedan, the American sedan,

886
00:41:31,038 --> 00:41:34,398
Speaker 1: which used to be the epitome of style and flair,

887
00:41:35,398 --> 00:41:36,118
Speaker 1: is extinct.

888
00:41:36,158 --> 00:41:39,318
Speaker 3: Now it's utility, and the suv is the latter day

889
00:41:39,358 --> 00:41:39,998
Speaker 3: station wagon.

890
00:41:40,038 --> 00:41:42,358
Speaker 4: There's no question. I mean, if you drove my station wagon.

891
00:41:42,558 --> 00:41:45,238
Speaker 3: First of all, it's very comfortable and it drives great,

892
00:41:45,398 --> 00:41:48,118
Speaker 3: but there's you could throw stuff everywhere. I put more stuff,

893
00:41:48,398 --> 00:41:50,558
Speaker 3: This is no I put more stuff in my wagon

894
00:41:51,078 --> 00:41:53,518
Speaker 3: driving back from Tampa back here a couple of weeks

895
00:41:53,518 --> 00:41:56,518
Speaker 3: ago than I could in my Tahoe. I have a

896
00:41:56,558 --> 00:41:59,918
Speaker 3: twenty twelve Tahoe that had loaded to the gills. I

897
00:41:59,958 --> 00:42:02,398
Speaker 3: mean I look like one of the clampets coming back

898
00:42:02,438 --> 00:42:04,478
Speaker 3: up because I drove both back up separately.

899
00:42:05,078 --> 00:42:06,638
Speaker 4: But the wagon.

900
00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:09,118
Speaker 3: I felt I could put a lot more stuff in

901
00:42:09,158 --> 00:42:12,678
Speaker 3: my wagon, lower but longer, and there's not all this

902
00:42:12,758 --> 00:42:15,478
Speaker 3: interruption because the seat goes down so perfectly flat of

903
00:42:15,558 --> 00:42:18,958
Speaker 3: the back seat. So it's all about utility.

904
00:42:18,558 --> 00:42:21,038
Speaker 4: Right, And I do like everybody, so I like sitting up.

905
00:42:21,038 --> 00:42:23,798
Speaker 3: High, not denying. Listen, I love it too, I dig it.

906
00:42:23,798 --> 00:42:25,638
Speaker 3: I got a van. I got a seventy six Dodge

907
00:42:25,718 --> 00:42:27,878
Speaker 3: Van that I like to sit up tall with that too.

908
00:42:27,918 --> 00:42:29,878
Speaker 3: I like sitting up hard. That's why I like to

909
00:42:29,918 --> 00:42:31,758
Speaker 3: drive ourb's. I think that's really at the crux of

910
00:42:31,798 --> 00:42:33,958
Speaker 3: it all. But at the end of the day, man,

911
00:42:34,158 --> 00:42:37,878
Speaker 3: you drive that Challenger down there, you drive that Hellcat. Wow,

912
00:42:37,998 --> 00:42:39,958
Speaker 3: what a piece of engineering that is not only the

913
00:42:41,438 --> 00:42:44,038
Speaker 3: engine and the car, so the way it drives, the

914
00:42:44,038 --> 00:42:47,318
Speaker 3: weight handles, the brakes on that are incredible, the sound

915
00:42:47,358 --> 00:42:50,718
Speaker 3: systems outstanding. It's a very comfortable little cockpit that you're

916
00:42:50,718 --> 00:42:51,038
Speaker 3: sitting in.

917
00:42:51,158 --> 00:42:52,998
Speaker 4: So what do you want? What do you want? Do

918
00:42:52,998 --> 00:42:53,638
Speaker 4: you want this, Like.

919
00:42:53,598 --> 00:42:56,598
Speaker 3: You're saying everybody wants the same all the time. I

920
00:42:56,638 --> 00:42:58,558
Speaker 3: really prefer difference different.

921
00:42:59,198 --> 00:43:01,358
Speaker 2: I guess it's the joy of driving.

922
00:43:01,478 --> 00:43:01,758
Speaker 4: It is.

923
00:43:01,998 --> 00:43:05,558
Speaker 1: It is disappearing because you know, you may sit up

924
00:43:05,638 --> 00:43:08,518
Speaker 1: high in your suv, but you ain't hugging a curve

925
00:43:08,758 --> 00:43:09,558
Speaker 1: in that suv.

926
00:43:09,998 --> 00:43:11,958
Speaker 3: How about a six speed? How about my six speed?

927
00:43:11,958 --> 00:43:12,878
Speaker 3: I mean it's the other part of it.

928
00:43:13,078 --> 00:43:14,998
Speaker 4: Nobody drives the standard transmission anymore.

929
00:43:15,238 --> 00:43:17,558
Speaker 3: I I mean, my Chevelle's got a six to tremics

930
00:43:17,558 --> 00:43:20,318
Speaker 3: six speed, and so does my challenge as a six

931
00:43:20,358 --> 00:43:23,838
Speaker 3: speed Tremic transmission. Nothing more fun to taking that through

932
00:43:23,878 --> 00:43:26,638
Speaker 3: the pace. Now, it's not good in bumper to bumper traffic.

933
00:43:26,638 --> 00:43:28,758
Speaker 3: When I drive the Hellcat far and you get into

934
00:43:28,798 --> 00:43:30,438
Speaker 3: a big city, you get on a freeway that's bumper

935
00:43:30,478 --> 00:43:31,518
Speaker 3: to bumper la whatever.

936
00:43:31,878 --> 00:43:33,878
Speaker 4: Not fun, I agree, not fun.

937
00:43:34,038 --> 00:43:36,718
Speaker 3: But just to purely go out there and drive that sucker, man,

938
00:43:37,158 --> 00:43:38,918
Speaker 3: when you got to hit it, when you need that

939
00:43:38,998 --> 00:43:43,998
Speaker 3: speed coming on a freeway, whatever, entrance ramp. So much fun.

940
00:43:44,798 --> 00:43:48,558
Speaker 3: You get challenged sometimes. I took it across after the

941
00:43:48,598 --> 00:43:52,118
Speaker 3: All Star Game in twenty seventeen in Miami. Was going

942
00:43:52,158 --> 00:43:54,998
Speaker 3: to Naples after that to spend the All Star break

943
00:43:55,038 --> 00:43:58,438
Speaker 3: and going over Alligator Alley. I stee one time, I've

944
00:43:58,518 --> 00:44:00,398
Speaker 3: hit it really good and there was still a lot

945
00:44:00,398 --> 00:44:01,918
Speaker 3: of pedal left. I'm going like one hundred and twenty

946
00:44:01,958 --> 00:44:04,398
Speaker 3: five miles an hour just to test it. And I

947
00:44:04,438 --> 00:44:07,558
Speaker 3: didn't feel comfortable that night, those little little bridges that

948
00:44:07,598 --> 00:44:10,238
Speaker 3: you go over, those little overpast things. I thought it

949
00:44:10,278 --> 00:44:12,878
Speaker 3: was going to go airborne at some point, but got it.

950
00:44:12,878 --> 00:44:15,998
Speaker 3: It just drove so well. It's it's fun. Okay, it's

951
00:44:16,038 --> 00:44:19,078
Speaker 3: fun people, It's fun to have fun. Nobody wants to

952
00:44:19,078 --> 00:44:19,918
Speaker 3: have fun anymore.

953
00:44:20,198 --> 00:44:21,758
Speaker 2: It's fun to This says it all.

954
00:44:21,998 --> 00:44:25,518
Speaker 1: At the factory where the Malibu was made, Chevy is

955
00:44:25,518 --> 00:44:28,478
Speaker 1: now going to be building the next generation of its Bolt,

956
00:44:28,678 --> 00:44:34,038
Speaker 1: the electric vehicle, oh god, and the Cadillac XT four suv,

957
00:44:35,118 --> 00:44:38,278
Speaker 1: which sounds like a locker combination. But I mean again,

958
00:44:38,358 --> 00:44:41,598
Speaker 1: it's a huge vehicle. It's an suv. So you got electric,

959
00:44:41,678 --> 00:44:43,958
Speaker 1: you've got suv. You've got nothing in the middle, you

960
00:44:44,038 --> 00:44:46,398
Speaker 1: got nothing with flair. And by the way, Joe I

961
00:44:46,438 --> 00:44:50,118
Speaker 1: would happily buy an electric car if someone could just

962
00:44:50,198 --> 00:44:51,838
Speaker 1: design a good looking one.

963
00:44:52,238 --> 00:44:53,758
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, this was.

964
00:44:53,758 --> 00:44:57,118
Speaker 1: The chance to like it just gets to a clean slate,

965
00:44:57,318 --> 00:45:00,638
Speaker 1: right shake, the edge just gets start over, you know,

966
00:45:00,718 --> 00:45:03,438
Speaker 1: don't just throw like weird headlights on it and tell

967
00:45:03,478 --> 00:45:05,998
Speaker 1: me and some blue paint and say, oh, that's an

968
00:45:06,038 --> 00:45:08,518
Speaker 1: e car designed something with some style.

969
00:45:08,638 --> 00:45:09,318
Speaker 2: Please, will you?

970
00:45:09,798 --> 00:45:12,158
Speaker 3: That's a socialist car. I mean, everybody wants to look

971
00:45:12,198 --> 00:45:14,318
Speaker 3: the same. It's part we talked about. It's in the book.

972
00:45:15,118 --> 00:45:15,638
Speaker 4: Same color.

973
00:45:15,678 --> 00:45:18,478
Speaker 3: It's either going to be black, white, or gray. More

974
00:45:18,518 --> 00:45:22,118
Speaker 3: than likely it's going to look exactly the same. I

975
00:45:22,838 --> 00:45:26,118
Speaker 3: tested myself. I'll be sitting somewhere, maybe I don't know

976
00:45:26,918 --> 00:45:29,318
Speaker 3: a couple of blocks or say a block away from

977
00:45:29,478 --> 00:45:32,918
Speaker 3: an intersection, and I'm trying to discus what is that.

978
00:45:32,958 --> 00:45:34,198
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, back in the day, as we

979
00:45:34,198 --> 00:45:37,038
Speaker 3: were driving somewhere with your parents, you could count Ford

980
00:45:37,078 --> 00:45:40,158
Speaker 3: in chevyes all day, right, I can't tell the difference.

981
00:45:40,158 --> 00:45:43,198
Speaker 3: I don't know Ford from a Chevy, from a Mazita

982
00:45:43,278 --> 00:45:47,158
Speaker 3: from whatever from a distance anymore combination. Then there's no

983
00:45:47,238 --> 00:45:49,238
Speaker 3: two tone cars. You're never going to see that again.

984
00:45:49,398 --> 00:45:51,598
Speaker 3: It's so cool. I got a couple of those things.

985
00:45:51,598 --> 00:45:52,438
Speaker 3: They're outstanding.

986
00:45:52,438 --> 00:45:53,158
Speaker 4: When it's two.

987
00:45:52,998 --> 00:45:56,358
Speaker 3: Toned like that. Everybody wants the same. Everybody wants to

988
00:45:56,358 --> 00:45:58,998
Speaker 3: be the same. They're always waiting months in advance for

989
00:45:59,078 --> 00:46:00,998
Speaker 3: their vehicle that's going to look like their neighbors.

990
00:46:01,038 --> 00:46:03,678
Speaker 1: I don't get it, by the way, you're talking to

991
00:46:03,958 --> 00:46:08,838
Speaker 1: an Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser guy. Growing up, family pile into

992
00:46:08,878 --> 00:46:11,118
Speaker 1: that thing going down to the Jersey Shore, coming back

993
00:46:11,158 --> 00:46:12,958
Speaker 1: with half the sand of the beach in the car,

994
00:46:13,038 --> 00:46:16,158
Speaker 1: and that thing was great. You get like you said,

995
00:46:16,158 --> 00:46:17,758
Speaker 1: you can get everything in there. And it was a

996
00:46:17,798 --> 00:46:19,758
Speaker 1: treat to ride in the far back. We called it

997
00:46:19,758 --> 00:46:23,398
Speaker 1: the way back. That third row of seats back there,

998
00:46:23,438 --> 00:46:26,358
Speaker 1: facing out the back window. We used to fight to

999
00:46:26,358 --> 00:46:27,158
Speaker 1: sit in that seat.

1000
00:46:27,678 --> 00:46:30,318
Speaker 3: Mine's got it. My old's got one of those seats.

1001
00:46:30,358 --> 00:46:34,678
Speaker 3: It's outstanding. When my grandkids come into town, I'll drive

1002
00:46:34,718 --> 00:46:36,318
Speaker 3: them around in that facing backwards.

1003
00:46:36,358 --> 00:46:38,318
Speaker 4: I hope nobody gets upset with me for that. But

1004
00:46:39,198 --> 00:46:41,638
Speaker 4: it's fun, man. I like to have fun. I like

1005
00:46:41,838 --> 00:46:42,678
Speaker 4: people have fun.

1006
00:46:42,958 --> 00:46:45,198
Speaker 3: Sometimes I think we take ourselves and everything else a

1007
00:46:45,278 --> 00:46:48,638
Speaker 3: little bit too seriously, a lot too seriously. It's part

1008
00:46:48,678 --> 00:46:51,078
Speaker 3: of my concern with a lot of different things today.

1009
00:46:51,878 --> 00:46:53,598
Speaker 3: We just we watch what we say and how we

1010
00:46:53,638 --> 00:46:56,318
Speaker 3: say it so often that nobody could be irreverent and

1011
00:46:56,358 --> 00:46:57,078
Speaker 3: have fun anymore.

1012
00:46:57,078 --> 00:46:58,678
Speaker 4: And I like it. I kind of dig it.

1013
00:46:59,478 --> 00:47:01,518
Speaker 3: My kids and my grandkids love it when they come

1014
00:47:01,558 --> 00:47:04,118
Speaker 3: back here and mess with this kind of stuff. Talking

1015
00:47:04,118 --> 00:47:06,278
Speaker 3: about being irresponsible, ever, I'm just talking about having a

1016
00:47:06,278 --> 00:47:06,758
Speaker 3: little fun.

1017
00:47:07,238 --> 00:47:10,838
Speaker 1: Well, certainly if they look in your garage, they'll understand

1018
00:47:11,558 --> 00:47:14,758
Speaker 1: there's there's more to life than just homogenize looks and

1019
00:47:14,798 --> 00:47:18,838
Speaker 1: everybody being the same. It's the diversity of your vehicles

1020
00:47:19,238 --> 00:47:23,198
Speaker 1: speaks to uh. I think they where the human the

1021
00:47:23,278 --> 00:47:26,158
Speaker 1: human spirit lies, right, it's in the differences. It's whether

1022
00:47:26,198 --> 00:47:29,438
Speaker 1: you like it or not, you honor the differences in

1023
00:47:29,518 --> 00:47:30,718
Speaker 1: people and in cars.

1024
00:47:31,038 --> 00:47:34,518
Speaker 3: Agreed, It's uh, you know, there's there is we We

1025
00:47:34,598 --> 00:47:37,318
Speaker 3: are all a diverse and my garage is absolutely diverse.

1026
00:47:37,358 --> 00:47:38,798
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, man, I'm a

1027
00:47:39,518 --> 00:47:42,198
Speaker 3: I know I'm a great teammate. I'm there for everybody

1028
00:47:42,198 --> 00:47:44,518
Speaker 3: else and I think most of us are that way too.

1029
00:47:44,638 --> 00:47:49,398
Speaker 3: So just include include a little automotive diversity with your

1030
00:47:49,398 --> 00:47:51,358
Speaker 3: life if you could, If you can, it's it's really

1031
00:47:51,358 --> 00:47:53,558
Speaker 3: a lot of fun to drive different things. And the

1032
00:47:53,638 --> 00:47:55,398
Speaker 3: one I didn't even include to this point was my

1033
00:47:55,478 --> 00:48:00,678
Speaker 3: fifty nine El Camino. Oh that that is like, I

1034
00:48:00,838 --> 00:48:04,718
Speaker 3: drive that down the street. Unbelievable, like all these different

1035
00:48:04,798 --> 00:48:06,958
Speaker 3: vehicles have. That is the one that elicits the most

1036
00:48:06,958 --> 00:48:11,278
Speaker 3: commentary is the It's white with the red trim on it.

1037
00:48:11,438 --> 00:48:14,718
Speaker 3: I got some big old meg wheels on it with

1038
00:48:14,798 --> 00:48:18,878
Speaker 3: a low profile tires. Great sound system, I don't mean

1039
00:48:18,958 --> 00:48:22,998
Speaker 3: good great sound system. It's a three point fifty runs wonderfully.

1040
00:48:23,598 --> 00:48:25,798
Speaker 3: But that one is probably out of all of them,

1041
00:48:25,838 --> 00:48:27,358
Speaker 3: the fifty nine that was the first year they made

1042
00:48:27,398 --> 00:48:31,278
Speaker 3: the El Camino, that that one is the biggest head

1043
00:48:31,318 --> 00:48:31,918
Speaker 3: turner of all.

1044
00:48:32,118 --> 00:48:32,558
Speaker 2: Awesome.

1045
00:48:33,438 --> 00:48:35,358
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to see how you bring us

1046
00:48:35,398 --> 00:48:38,318
Speaker 1: to the clothes here today, Joe Madden, because you're always

1047
00:48:38,758 --> 00:48:42,358
Speaker 1: on point with your choices of words of wisdom, and

1048
00:48:43,038 --> 00:48:44,718
Speaker 1: I don't know how you top this one today, but

1049
00:48:44,838 --> 00:48:45,838
Speaker 1: go ahead, I know you will.

1050
00:48:46,198 --> 00:48:46,638
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1051
00:48:46,998 --> 00:48:49,478
Speaker 3: Well, you know that this ties into what we're talking

1052
00:48:49,478 --> 00:48:52,678
Speaker 3: about all day. You're talking about, whether it's Kimberrel or

1053
00:48:52,718 --> 00:48:55,798
Speaker 3: you're talking about KB or you're talking about catching whatever

1054
00:48:55,878 --> 00:48:59,118
Speaker 3: and analytics and how this is all incorporated. But in

1055
00:48:59,158 --> 00:49:01,278
Speaker 3: some way, I think Jack Welch, I've always been a

1056
00:49:01,278 --> 00:49:03,798
Speaker 3: big fan of his. This isn't the one for the

1057
00:49:04,118 --> 00:49:06,118
Speaker 3: but he's the guy that said change before you have to,

1058
00:49:06,958 --> 00:49:10,158
Speaker 3: and I'm absolutely That's that's why I think sometimes people

1059
00:49:10,198 --> 00:49:12,638
Speaker 3: may get confused with me. I love change, I love

1060
00:49:12,718 --> 00:49:16,838
Speaker 3: doing things different things. I love progress, I love I

1061
00:49:16,878 --> 00:49:19,318
Speaker 3: love new things and that are going to work and

1062
00:49:19,358 --> 00:49:22,118
Speaker 3: make stuff better, whether it's in baseball in my general life.

1063
00:49:22,158 --> 00:49:25,238
Speaker 3: I love that about him, CEO of GE. But also

1064
00:49:25,278 --> 00:49:27,438
Speaker 3: I got this today and again, this is part of

1065
00:49:27,478 --> 00:49:30,478
Speaker 3: what we're just talking about right now. Good coaches provide

1066
00:49:31,038 --> 00:49:34,478
Speaker 3: a truly important service. They tell you the truth when

1067
00:49:34,518 --> 00:49:38,478
Speaker 3: no one else will so, right, I mean, I mean,

1068
00:49:38,518 --> 00:49:40,678
Speaker 3: I think, well, that's the part of what's going on today.

1069
00:49:40,718 --> 00:49:42,598
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to tell anybody else.

1070
00:49:42,478 --> 00:49:43,038
Speaker 4: What the truth is.

1071
00:49:43,038 --> 00:49:48,158
Speaker 3: Everybody's always acquiescing or concern. I'm going to hurt somebody's feelings,

1072
00:49:48,598 --> 00:49:49,838
Speaker 3: you know, they so they give it to you A

1073
00:49:49,878 --> 00:49:53,758
Speaker 3: little water down. One of my cars starts talking about

1074
00:49:53,758 --> 00:49:55,958
Speaker 3: the chavelle on the back left quarter panel. There it

1075
00:49:55,998 --> 00:49:59,838
Speaker 3: says bab aloo and big bold letters bab Aloo on

1076
00:49:59,918 --> 00:50:02,638
Speaker 3: the chevelle. Babaloo is Bob clear from the Book of Joe.

1077
00:50:03,358 --> 00:50:07,318
Speaker 3: He was my mentor, Baba Loo. If I've ever met

1078
00:50:07,358 --> 00:50:09,438
Speaker 3: a truth teller in my whole life, it was Bob.

1079
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Speaker 4: A Loo.

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Speaker 3: He told me when I stunk, He told me when

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Speaker 3: I was doing things wrong. Of course, he told me

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Speaker 3: when I was doing things good too, But if something

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Speaker 3: was not right, he didn't hesitate to tell me, and

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Speaker 3: he'd tell me straight up, and it wasn't pussy footing around.

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Speaker 4: He'd grab me.

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Speaker 3: Immediately and let me know that in his perception, what

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Speaker 3: I was doing was not very good. And I loved

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Speaker 3: him for that. My God, my best coaches I could

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Speaker 3: start naming. I don't know ten guys, all truth tellers, man,

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Speaker 3: all truth tellers. They they only get you. They don't

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Speaker 3: let you get away with anything. They call bs on

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Speaker 3: you immediately. And those are the guys I want to

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Speaker 3: be around. So Bob a Loo to all the truth tellers. Jack,

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Speaker 3: mister Welch again about the truth tellers. That's if you

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Speaker 3: get one of those around you, folks, hold on to

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Speaker 3: him or her one of the most valuable people in

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Speaker 3: your lives.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope that's still true, because I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: probably saw it in your arc of managing the big

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Speaker 1: leagues that the younger player today doesn't necessarily always want

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Speaker 1: to hear the truth because the truth hurts a lot

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Speaker 1: of times and I know a lot of it comes

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Speaker 1: down to relationships where you feel like you've got enough

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Speaker 1: of a relationship where you can be a truth teller

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Speaker 1: to someone. But from what I've seen, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of walking on eggshells around players. And you know, it's

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Speaker 1: just a different generation because they haven't been told the truth.

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Speaker 1: Growing up, everything is great, everybody gets a trophy. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I think coaching and managing is probably harder

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Speaker 1: than it's ever been. I'd like to believe, and I

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Speaker 1: do believe that you're right that there's always a place

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Speaker 1: for the truth tellers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and well all those whatever the perceived problems are,

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Speaker 3: you're absolutely correct. We're permitting it. I mean, and we are.

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Speaker 3: I mean, who's the grown up in a room, who's

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Speaker 3: the parent in a room? We need more parents in

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Speaker 3: the room. We need more grownups. I used to say

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Speaker 3: that often. We need more grown ups. I need as

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Speaker 3: a manager, we need it. More grown ups in the clubhouse,

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Speaker 3: people that aren't so thin skinned, people that do take accountability,

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Speaker 3: people that do receive constructive criticism.

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Speaker 4: Well that's how you get better.

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Speaker 3: And without that, you know you could get you could

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Speaker 3: get pretty good based on how talented you are, but

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Speaker 3: to get to that final goal and grabbing that that

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Speaker 3: actually that World series ring not easy to do without

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Speaker 3: truth tellers involved. Absolutely hundred percent believe that. I'll always

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Speaker 3: defend that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Jack Welch could have said it any better.

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Speaker 1: We need more grown ups, that's right.

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Speaker 4: It's more grown ups in the room.

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Speaker 3: Man used to drive me nuts, and I would say that.

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Speaker 3: I would say that to the coaching staff. I would

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Speaker 3: say to the front office, we need more grown ups

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Speaker 3: in our room.

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Speaker 1: Well said, Joe, nice job, We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: By the Book of Joe, your two brothers.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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