WEBVTT - Daveed Diggs & Rafael Casal / "Blindspotting" 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:17.520 M m M. You're listening to Playback, a Variety I 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:21.360 Heart Radio podcast. I'm your host, Variety Awards editor Chris Tapley. 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.840 This week, I'm talking to multi hyphenates David Diggs and 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.480 Raphael Kassol, whose new film Blind Spotting hits theater is July. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:31.840 We talked about that longest dating project and the Bay 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.680 Area music scene that shaped these two guys, among other things. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:56.440 So sit tight, this is playback. Worry about peanut butter, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.400 peanut butter, peanut butter, peanut butter for breakfast. That's what 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:05.400 I do. My kid likes peanut butter on waffles. Waffles. Yeah, Like, 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.440 do you do you make a kid real waffles or 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.480 these egos? Oh? No, man either Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yeah. 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:16.440 Although my wife does do like she'll mix up muffin 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.160 batter and so she can sneak like zucchini and like 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:24.840 vegetables into the He'll actually eat that kid. He just 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:30.680 turned to very smart waffles exactly. It's not too bad, man, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:40.520 The sugar retaste over powers Uh yeah, damn. I still 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.640 I still get eggo waffle cravings sometimes do good. And 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.479 so that's a life. That's a lifetime craving, especially have one. 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.000 Oh yeah, you have a month, Like that's just what 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.640 you do. Now you have a sailor. We have Boots 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:57.880 Riley in here last week yeah Oakland, well Oakland represent 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.640 I still have I was trying to get there this weekend. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.160 Didn't make it. It's crazy I try and go during 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.560 our break today. I didn't know much about it and 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:07.880 I just saw it a couple of weeks ago. I 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:09.840 was in Sundance. I saw Blind Spotting there I'll talk 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.120 about but I didn't see his movie there, and uh 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.000 so I didn't really know a lot about it. And 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.720 it's it goes places. Man. You saw it, so you 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:21.800 like or you saw it anyway, I don't know if 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.959 you actually like. Just told me if you saw it, 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.040 you must have it. You must have liked it, like 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.919 it feels like my kind of movie. Like I'm fairly 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.959 certain I'm gonna like he told me I was gonna 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:37.799 like it. So it's good stuff. Man, I'm always still going. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:42.040 But what are you? What do you put on your head? 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:46.280 Goes sir Sarah. I'm just straight better. I don't even 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.040 really like starrup on it. If I if I use like, well, jam, 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:50.600 I'll throw a little jam on it. I don't I 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.280 if I use syrup, it's it's like in a in 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.440 Ford little squares or something. I like very scaring. I 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:01.120 like a full pool when I'm messing with the wall. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.519 It's not surprising. Give me the whole to the brim 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.359 fried chicken too. I'm done with the fried chicken and water. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:10.959 Little fried chicken in the syrup and fried chick. You 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:16.760 got it, all right, Friday, let's see that kind of 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.280 like now they're making art out of here. Yeah. I'm 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.440 just trying to eat the whole box and then terrible 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.280 about myself. I just want to eat the whole box 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:31.880 of Eggos and then cry myself. Just right. Put my 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:37.240 questions here. I don't know if the last go telling you, 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.200 But the closer you can get to the mix, the better. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.520 I'm familiar with the sms of them, are you wow? 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.640 I guess you would be. With the music. It's like, yeah, 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.960 this is the travel brig. These things are like tanks 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.680 and put them in your bag. They won't get backed up. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:58.400 They sound great. All right, we are recording, so we're 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:02.240 gonna jump in. All right, everyone, I'm here today with 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.040 the writers and stars of Blind Spotting to Bee Digs 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.480 and Rafael Kassol say that correct did out the gate. 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.160 I saw the movie and Sundance as I was saying, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.240 awesome movie, I saw it Sundance. I saw it like 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:21.440 eleven thirty PM. Yeah, the Egyptian Yeah, man, we didn't 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:22.840 get to go to that one, right, that's the one 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.480 we didn't get to go to. It was exciting. Oakland 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:30.040 was definitely in the house there. Yeah. Yeah, that feels 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.560 like a lifetime ago. Sundance all of a sudden, it's 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.279 so crazy. We've been talking about this movie since then. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.240 I wanted to. I wanted to start there. What was 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:42.640 your your Sundance experience? Like a blur blur, mean, we don't, 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.040 you know, we didn't get to see any movies when 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.320 we were there, which is the only unfortunate thing it was. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.480 It was such a luckily the movie was really well 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.960 received there, and so we're in this press tornado for 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.880 the bulk of the time there. But but you know, 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.279 the the ironic part is were like movie buffs and 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.560 we didn't get to see any day. Yeah. Very excited 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.040 to go back to Sundance as Justice spectator. I've been 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.320 twice in the first time was the year before to 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.560 play a show, to play a concert, a concert there 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.120 for a concert for another movie, but we weren't a 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.200 part of that movie. Yeah, but as one of the 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.799 composer series that they've been they've started doing and Sundance 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.520 our friends somewhat to hinder Hughes had us out to 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.320 play a concert with him and that was great, but 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.000 also didn't get to see movies. So one year I'll 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.560 go to Sundance and just watched some damn movies because 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.719 it seems like that would be really fun to do there. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:33.960 It seems like the people doing that are having a 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.960 great time. Although the other end of the spectrum is 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.760 you know when you're working the festival as a journalist 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.800 and you're seeing like six movies in a day. Yeah, 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.279 that's not for me personally. I don't like that because 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.640 I could see how I could see how you know, 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.240 your perspective on whether or not you're watching a good 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.280 piece of work can't get warped after a while. If 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.279 I'm a filmmaker, I don't want somebody in there like 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:01.240 when they exhausted. Yeah, I guess, yeah. I think the 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.360 moral is that, like if you're working at a film festival, 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.480 it kind of sucks. Yeah, but you're just but like 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:15.839 any spectator is pretty great. Uh. How did you guys meet? 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:17.960 I want to start there and kind of work our 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.400 way into them days we meet the story that you've 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:25.440 probably told a million times only today, the we met 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:32.600 in high school years ago. I mean we met at 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.880 a poetry slam in high school. We both fancied ourselves poets. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.680 Only one of us was I'll let you figure out 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:44.160 which one, and then we didn't hang out much. He 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.039 was four years younger than me. I went off to college, 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.719 came back, and Raphael was running a recording studio in 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.599 North Oakland. Some mutual friends were like playing our music 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:57.760 for each other, and uh, and that was it. I 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.880 went over to the to the studio. We'd like stayed 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.240 up making songs. And I would say that studio session 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:11.480 never ended, still going, uh together. What did you guys 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.440 bond over in the arts? And and also I'm curious, 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.920 what do you what did you differ over in the arts. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.600 For sure, bonded over music at first, but I think 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.600 you know, we're of that multi hyphenite artist generation where 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.560 like you know, you always do five other things and 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.760 some bleeding over in the theater was easy for us, 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.320 and poet was to a certain degree both of our 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:39.240 bases um and you know, and and and then we 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.640 were both educators too, and so that there are so many, 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.040 so many touch points were similar, differ, What do you 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.840 things differ? We have slightly different music tastes. I guess yeah. Well, 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.640 also like Raphael has much more of an ear for 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.040 what is popular than I. Do you know what I'm saying? 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.760 Like working with rapt in my ears is better? It 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.480 just I care no, But I think you also know, 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.400 like there's something about working on a song with rapping 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.360 where like all of a sudden needs taps into whatever 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.000 is I guys, see you right now and you don't 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:13.720 even know how he did it, Like he's just wired 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.680 that way, like he can he feels like what the 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.360 pulse of music is on And I am not wired 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.320 that way at all. So like I does an immersion thing, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.440 And are you more immersed in that than maybe? No, 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.880 I haven't argue that I am more immersed that argument, 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:33.520 but I but what I what I will say is 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.480 different about the way we listen to music. Is I 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:43.040 pick four albums and that's all I listened to for 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:48.720 six months with with no interruption like when I'm at digs. 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:58.280 The The identifier of Jigs's car was chaos and just 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.400 a trunk follow c D finders of CDs because things. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.440 Every Tuesday would go to a Biba or tower wherever 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.800 it was that that had all the newest releases of 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.920 music and just buy everything that just came out, and 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.760 then he would listen to everything one time through, and 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.560 then I would get in his car, and whatever made 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:21.439 it from that first purchase to the binder I would 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.800 hear and I would really just open the binders and 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.080 go what's good, and him, sort of knowing my taste, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.320 would go, we should listen to this. You're probably not 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.440 gonna like this with this diet. We should listen to this, 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.440 you know, and it would either be that's the newest 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.080 stuff or in there were also things that had stayed 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.040 with things over the last ten fift twenty years of 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:40.640 his last I'd also go like, what is this, Oh, 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.600 that's like an old you know, Bootsey Collins records. We're 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.080 gonna listen to that whole thing on this drive, you know, 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:50.120 and some my you know, I for a lot of 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.800 people had a very wide spread of of of taste 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.439 of music. But in relation to Di I mean, Diggs 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:02.360 listens to literally everything, um and so you know that 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.439 that was sort of the the the obsessive difference me. 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.960 He gets obsessed over albums too, and listens to him NonStop. 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.560 I think I latch onto certain things that are like 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.040 I know he hasn't listened to the Drake album five times. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:20.800 I haven't. I didn't. I didn't suffer through that thing 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:26.000 one time, shots fired, I stared through it twice the 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:32.120 third time talked me into it, yes, yes to like, 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:33.920 has it even more of a pulse on it than 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:35.760 I do? Was like the Drake albums joke. I was like, 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.480 are you sure? She was like, yeah, let's do it again. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.640 I was like, Okay, she's wrong. But there's some great 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.640 beats on it. I think there's who needs that many? 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.480 Why do you have songs? Well, here's the thing that's different. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.400 I agree that it's too long, but I think that 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:53.120 I don't know that's a Drake things so much as 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:54.920 I like, we're just talking about this earlier, is like 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.640 that what we loved about what Kanye and Push It 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.319 and Ketty just did. Whether or not you like the music, 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.920 is there just further, like people are further cementing this 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.439 idea that like seven or eight songs is an album, 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:09.520 like that was an acceptable release. You can call it 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.360 what you want to, but again, categories really cares, but 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.760 an eight track releases like is the bar now, It's no, 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.640 it's not even a mixtape. It's it's just a thing 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.679 that is an acceptable release. It's a complete thought. And 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.559 this is a problem with Dreg's album is that it's like, 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.439 so it is one's there's only one thought on that 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.360 moutherfucker and it lasts four hours. It feels like when 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.360 there's a moment where Frank Oshan released a bunch of 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.520 songs right after a Channel Orange it was like forty 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.680 records and they're dope, but like I never got through 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:43.480 all forties, so so daunting I did, but those were 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:47.480 different interesting like the difference, but we're not because I 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.120 was the hell of R and B that Digs. Probably 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:52.760 I love R and B in a way that like 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:57.800 Digs enjoys R and B, but not give an example 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.400 of that of like like I enjoyed James Blake and 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.319 Diggs hates him. Yeah, I don't care, you know, but 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.920 I think I think that there's things about like top 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.680 like top line artists and melody artists. That is where 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:16.880 Diggs care slightly less ends when really good at things 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.120 like writing hooks at things like you know that isn't 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.000 best an incredibly important skill that I'm aware that I 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.960 don't have. But I know when I'm writing a song, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.719 depending on the lyrical content and the kind of top line, 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.559 whether or not Diggs is gonna be like dope or 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.800 like man. That's what we just did the other day. 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.120 We're like, I wrote it and went, I know exactly 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.120 where this is gonna say. It's gonna be like this 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.000 is really good. It's very radioly is it on brand 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:45.800 for me? Partial credit? And I know that, And I 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.800 know what that means. You know, was local music? You 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.920 know the Bay Areas scene important to you coming up? 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.240 I mean, remember is the only the last interview we 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:56.880 just did, they asked us, they asked us one our 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:58.880 top five or and we we all we know the 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.160 answer to that. The first inst that as always the 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.800 forty is our favorite rapper. When you're the favorite rapper 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.000 with somebody else and you as are hip hop head's 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.800 like you're probably good for everything, like for all the 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.240 same reasons that that's your favorite rapper is the reason 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.439 why you can be best friends, right, that's our that's 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.920 our step brothers moment. Support your favorite rubber yesterday, which 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.400 does become bad, which is easy in the Bay Area 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:23.800 if you both have you know, if you both love 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:27.199 E forty, Like, there's so much there that that means 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:31.679 the language you love, like you love the specificity of 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:37.880 your area, you love, you love this innovative slang culture. 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.560 You love. You love sort of aspects of pimp culture 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.120 and hustle culture. That's like super fascinating to a lot 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.120 of people. Um And and you have a certain sense 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.520 of feeling like an underappreciated person because that's what the 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.480 forty is to a certain degree, is like an artist 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.319 who has done so much for hip hop and so 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.120 rarely does he get any credit for it. And like 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.520 that isn't that is not just an E forty specific thing. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.120 That's a bay Area specific thing of culture. It's a 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:02.640 big part of what I wanted to make this movie 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.320 is to be like, you don't realize how much impact 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.959 the Bay Area has had ont on culture across the 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.199 country and around the world. Um And not that the 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.679 film is not addressing that, but it's just showing how 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.440 beautiful the Bay Area is, um and and and in 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.000 that we curated all this music that accompanies it and 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.760 all this slang that accompanies it as sort of a 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.800 nod to that feeling. Were you big into the soul 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.080 side screw at all? I was a huge Yeah. And 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.320 that's questions right there, that's a big question. Yeah, the 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.920 answered I was for sure. I used to know who 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.960 that is, Yeah, Quantum, all those kids they became. Yeah. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:48.680 Also like black, it was black, Yeah, I used to 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.200 I used to see gifted gab and he was also 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.520 a music and using a me. But every Tuesday, and 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.520 this is all growing up, I would see him there 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.320 every Tuesday and never once spoke when I was a 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.200 way too star strike to talk to him, becau is 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:04.080 my understand is my limited understanding of the world at 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.720 that time, Like that to me was a major star, 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.600 I know, how like not true it really that what 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.520 you did say, But to me, like from the Bay 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.720 like that was that dude was to me a major, 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.320 major star and I could never talk to him. And 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.680 then we ended up when I was in collegewen a 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.720 backstage at a concert together something I finally like told 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.720 him that story that I just told you. It was 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.000 a great moment for me. Always saw Lyrics Born at him. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.720 What's that what's that cafe that everybody goes to him 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.720 Berkeley on Melvia and University that's opened to emulate and 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:41.520 let's see. No, but I would be there doing like 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.600 laney college homework, and he would be there, like also 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.120 working on something. But I can't imagine. Well, maybe Lyrics 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:53.760 Born does write lyrics out of cocol That's possible. A 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.440 little little cheesecake and a latte and knock got these 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:04.120 bars very possible. Sure, this is really inside baby. I'm 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:05.600 getting to the Weeds on music. But I kind of 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:10.880 wanted to want them that first, that first album man 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.840 that self out or no, what was it called? I said, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.560 I talked to the dude to rant it. He said, 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:22.960 we weren't quite there yet. Fuck you you know you 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.280 know Macbee Dog. Yeah, he had a song on one 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.160 of their like the Soul Sides collective collection things called 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.000 hot Breath that's like, yeah, it's like a minute and 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.280 a half. It's like one verse in a course or 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.480 if it was like a totally unfinit or felt like 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:40.960 just like but it had the greatest line I ever heard, 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.600 which is no longer relevant, but at the time it 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:48.200 was just this. You went out like Mark Hamill in 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.440 the line just but you know, Mark Camill's back obviously 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.120 doing great. He's the boys of the Drum for a 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.600 long time. Much money that had. Yeah, the same thing 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.280 happened last week. Like I said, I had Boots Riley 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.920 on and we were talking and about music and uh, 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.119 you know Oakland's having a moment obviously, I mean the 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.640 Coup Booths told them was very important to me. Pam 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.600 the functor is also you know rest in Peace, the 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.240 DJ for the Coup, who was just like the party 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.639 DJ growing up. And then you know, I went to 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.600 tons of parties that she DJ, and would also watch 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.040 her like do the tournaments and she would like scratch 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.800 with her tits. It was amazing. And uh and then 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:33.800 I saw her at um at a at a little 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.879 club in this when I'm doing Hamilton's on Broadway and 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.919 we get we get a call and we get an 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.280 email at intermission that Prince wants to wants us all 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.760 that wants to do a show for us. After the show. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.640 I wants us all to come to this club Prince 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.520 wants to perform for us, and we were like, what, 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.479 like the whole cast goes and Pam had been Princess 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.240 DJ for the last bunch of years. So I'm sitting 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.520 there in in this concert about to watch Is perform 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.200 and Pam is Zjing Forum and the whole show was Pam, 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.680 Prince and one dancer. That was the whole show. And 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.200 like it good so to eat saying so to be, 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.320 like so to be in this room. And this is 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.119 thirty one days before Prince died. So I'm in this 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.600 room with a woman who I had I grew up watching, 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.800 who is performing, who's been touring with Prince now for 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.399 the last bunch of years as like Prince's Club Date DJ. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.080 You know, it's just an unbelievable experience for me. Well, 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.520 like I said, Oakland's having this big moment in film 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.960 with with Boots's film, with your film, you know, with 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:40.040 the stuff Ryan Coogler has been putting together. I think 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:45.080 Ryan takes the kick on that one. We'll well, well, 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.400 we'll take our our part of that. Sure, you guys 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.480 have made a very potent kind of representation of of 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:51.879 where you grew up. But I'm why do you think 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.600 Oakland is popping right now like that, Well, Oakland is 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:59.000 popping for non film reasons. Oukland is popping because the 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:03.119 real estate is cheaper in San Francisco, that's why. Um, 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.840 But in the arts, why why do you think? I mean, 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:07.280 I have something to do with it? Maybe, I mean 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.080 your film is all about that. I don't. I don't 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.840 think it does. I think I think we've I think 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.479 Boots has been working on his film down here as 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.480 long as us. People have been trying to make movies 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.400 about the Bay Area for a long time. Licks tried 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:19.760 to do it, Kicks tried to do it, and they 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.280 did do it. I mean, um, you know Fruville was 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.880 early on. It's it's not like filmmakers haven't been trying 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:27.680 to tell those stories for a while. Like I also 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.359 feel like if if Boots movie came out next year, 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:31.960 in our movie came out this year, we wouldn't be 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.159 having this conversation about a moment. It doesn't take much 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:35.760 for it to feel like a moment. It really just 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.920 takes like two Um. But but I think there's a 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:40.760 generation of people that grew up in the Bay Area 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.879 who felt like the barrier got no shine or got 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:45.679 no attention for the narrative that it that it had 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:47.720 have been telling. And again how much game it's giving 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:49.840 so many other places. I mean, there are you know, 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.240 there are plenty of shows that have passed through television 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.639 in the last ten years that have claimed to be 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:57.399 in the Bay Area. I mean full houses in the 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.280 Bay Area. It's like there's not been barrier content. It 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.960 just hasn't been made by Bay Area people. You know, 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.760 A Parenthood was supposed to be based in Berkeley. That 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.919 was absurd and nothing about that show. I grew up 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.520 in Berkeley. That's not Berkeley. I don't know any of 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.119 those people. I remember he was at a bar once, 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.520 a tequila bar and San Pablo Avenue in Berkeley. I 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:20.399 was like, fuck you, what do you got the album 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:24.200 Tross you liar? People would not like you. And they're 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:25.879 in a suit. He was like in a suit on 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:33.320 a pay phone, was like, who wrote this? You liar? Liar? 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.240 Um you know and that, But that's the same. There's 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.160 been so many moments where people come in and they 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.320 and they do their best to like pay tribute to it. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.560 Like I it was like when Tiger came and fell 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.760 in love with the Bay Area and got I fell 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:49.760 in love with bay Area production, and then his next 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.120 four albums all sounded like bay Area music. We knew 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.240 that he got it from there, and he said it too, 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:57.679 but that was as far as it went. And then 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.159 everyone just associated that with l A's new sound. But 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.560 we all knew and Tiger new and and didn't try 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:04.760 to hide it, said that that was the time in 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:06.840 the Bay Area. Wayne and Drake both came to the 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.280 Bay Area and fell in love with bay Area music 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.160 and took that sound. And Drake says it in lyrics 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:13.920 all the time. It just goes over people's head because 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.120 a mat Orate reference is so specific that you don't 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:19.280 get what he's saying when he says rest in peak 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.159 matchro we will do rest in peace match. Everyone do 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.240 it for the bet. That's huge for us. You know 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:27.880 what that means. Um, It's been sourced material for so long, 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.119 but the people who get to them put it on 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.959 the main stage haven't really been bay Area people who 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.639 feel that obligation to tell the whole story. There was 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:38.680 a period like when we were coming up to where 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:41.639 the Warriors fell like training camp for great players, and 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.000 they would go through it like we all we have 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:44.800 this chip on our shoulders in the bay. Like you know, 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.840 like the great great players would come through the Warriors 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.680 and then and then leave and and go somewhere else 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.520 and become great. You know what. We would sort of 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.480