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Speaker 1: ADP show mclovin has settled on a poll question I believe, Well,
Speaker 1: you might not like this, Okay. If you were a
Speaker 1: team that wanted to sign Tom Brady, but Tom Brady
Speaker 1: called you and said, you also have to sign my
Speaker 1: friend Antonio Brown, who he's been linked too lately, would
Speaker 1: you do that package deal? Say you're Tennessee, Well, what
Speaker 1: if you're Oakland? I know, yeah, that's the only one
Speaker 1: that would be Yeah, the Raiders, that would be the
Speaker 1: only one that would be interesting. If if you're Tennessee
Speaker 1: and you can get Tom Brady and you have to
Speaker 1: bring in Antonio Brown, I think with the caveat of
Speaker 1: saying if he doesn't live up to our standards, then
Speaker 1: we will cut him like everybody else has. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I would do that as a package deal. If Brady
Speaker 1: wanted that, you wouldn't be nervous about Antonio. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: And I can always cut him. I mean, I want Brady.
Speaker 1: If if if that's the baggage that goes along with
Speaker 1: Brady and it's Antonio Brown, yeah, I can always say, hey, look,
Speaker 1: we're going to be the ones that have the final
Speaker 1: say here, whether you know he stays or not. I
Speaker 1: don't know why Tom has taken such a vested interest
Speaker 1: in Antonio Brown, Like, I don't know what that friendship
Speaker 1: was like that that brief stay that he had in
Speaker 1: New England but apparently had an impact on him. Yes,
Speaker 1: did you see that story? The Patriots are si quote
Speaker 1: unquote sniffing around the trademarket for a wide receiver. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Does that confirm that everything we saw last year? They
Speaker 1: really didn't have any weapons for Tom. But that's why
Speaker 1: they wanted to keep They went and got Josh Gordon
Speaker 1: and his troubled history. That's why they tried to still
Speaker 1: talk themselves into keeping Antonio Brown. They were desperate. They
Speaker 1: realized that they had no weapons whatsoever. Nikkil Harry didn't develop.
Speaker 1: They don't have a tight end. You know, Edelman is
Speaker 1: what thirty three? Now? You know they're talking about bringing
Speaker 1: back Chris Hogan. I mean they need some weapons. Hunter Henry,
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, would be a great guy for them
Speaker 1: to pick up the charger tight and who I believe
Speaker 1: it is an unrestricted free agent that would be somebody
Speaker 1: where you go, Okay, now we have If I am
Speaker 1: the Patriots, I can't believe I'm getting into this topic again.
Speaker 1: But if you're the Patriots, you have to decide, if
Speaker 1: Brady's coming back, what do we need to have to
Speaker 1: ensure success? Now, Like this is the reason why he
Speaker 1: wants to come back, because I think Brady might look
Speaker 1: at this and say, right, you know what I want
Speaker 1: money wise? Now what are you going to do weapon wise?
Speaker 1: Give me an idea what your plan is? And you know,
Speaker 1: because Brady may say, look, you want me back. I
Speaker 1: don't want to come back. I mean I think that's
Speaker 1: a distinct possibility here. Yeah, mcglove, Well, what about if
Speaker 1: it goes to the next quarterback, Carrots stid Of or
Speaker 1: Andy Alt or Ryan Cannell dot you need a lot
Speaker 1: of weapons for him, probably even more than you need
Speaker 1: for Brady. Yeah, but it's not one of those that Hey, Andy,
Speaker 1: we didn't get all the weapons you want. Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't want to go there, or Jared Stidham says, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't want to start. I mean Dalton
Speaker 1: would hitchhike there. Brady's looking at this. This is his
Speaker 1: last contract, this is his last opportunity to win another
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He's gonna go m I don't like what
Speaker 1: you're doing there. I don't like the game plan that
Speaker 1: you have here. But didn't the Patriots have a chance
Speaker 1: to sign Brady a couple of years ago and Belichick
Speaker 1: didn't want to do then. So what makes you think
Speaker 1: that this time around Belichick's gonna go? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: a forty two year old Tom Brady coming off one
Speaker 1: of his worst seasons. Now we want to extend him.
Speaker 1: Speaking to somebody yesterday who's involved in this whole process,
Speaker 1: and you know doesn't want his name mentioned, but he said, look,
Speaker 1: the reality is, I think both of these guys can
Speaker 1: walk away from one another. That Belichick can walk away
Speaker 1: from Brady. And the fact that Robert Craft, who doesn't
Speaker 1: say anything or hasn't said anything, said, according to Tom
Speaker 1: Curran that hey, I'm not going to get involved in this.
Speaker 1: That leads me to believe if you're not getting involved
Speaker 1: in this, there is a real strong chance that Tom
Speaker 1: Brady is not back, and it might be because Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick does not want him back. I think that's just
Speaker 1: the facts. Now, that's not trying to glam this up
Speaker 1: sensationalize it. I think that's just the harsh reality of this.
Speaker 1: Belichick can move on He's moved on from every player
Speaker 1: that he's had, and he may love them, but he
Speaker 1: moves on. Richard Seymour, Tie law Lawyer, Malloy Logan Manka,
Speaker 1: I mean run down the list. He has no problem going. Ye,
Speaker 1: I'm moving on, and he usually moves on a year before,
Speaker 1: not a year later. Yes, he really put in Tom
Speaker 1: Brady in the same category as all those dudes. Belichick is.
Speaker 1: I'm not I wouldn't, but I think Belichick is Belichick's
Speaker 1: he's cold blooded. Yeah, it does seem like he's pretty
Speaker 1: clear that Tom's just another player. Yes, he treats him
Speaker 1: that way, and I think they're treating him that way. Now.
Speaker 1: You know, you have other teams that look at you know,
Speaker 1: the Saints with Drew Brees. Could they be actually better
Speaker 1: without Drew Brees. You could, You could make a case
Speaker 1: they could be. But you know, Sean Payton wants to
Speaker 1: have Drew Brees back. Teddy Bridgewater could be just as
Speaker 1: good as Drew Brees this year. Taysom Hill might give
Speaker 1: them something that is completely unique and makes them even
Speaker 1: tougher to beat. But they're loyal to Drew Brees. Now,
Speaker 1: you can be loyal to a fault and we'll find
Speaker 1: out if that's the case with the Saints. But I
Speaker 1: think Belichick can walk away from Brady, and I think
Speaker 1: Brady can walk away from Belichick. Yeah, And it's not
Speaker 1: like Belichick is walking away from Brady when he's thirty six,
Speaker 1: like the Giants with Eli manning the guys mid forties,
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Speaker 1: there's unrest with the collective bargaining agreement with the NFL
Speaker 1: players and voting. Apparently there's some unrest in the chat room.
Speaker 1: From what Mario told me that not everybody's big on
Speaker 1: the fanats. But you had your opportunity over the weekend
Speaker 1: to vote, and the Fanats won by a landslide. All right,
Speaker 1: we have our pole question. Joe in California joins us Hi, Joe,
Speaker 1: what do you have for me today? Hey? Dan? I
Speaker 1: think what's interesting about this CBA is that these owners
Speaker 1: are playing forty chests, and I don't think they're getting
Speaker 1: enough credit for it because what they've done is is
Speaker 1: they've pitted the players against themselves. They've pitted the sixty
Speaker 1: against the forty. And while they're focused on that, they
Speaker 1: can slide anything in the back door on that CVA.
Speaker 1: That's not going to get as much attention because wisely,
Speaker 1: they've went after one thing that the players care about
Speaker 1: more than probably anything else, and that's their money. Well,
Speaker 1: the seventeen games, the fact that and thanks for the
Speaker 1: phone call, Joe, the fact that the owner said it's
Speaker 1: non negotiable. Everything's negotiable, And why are you dictating what's
Speaker 1: non negotiable? Because that's the one thing the players had.
Speaker 1: What can we get if we give you that seventeenth game?
Speaker 1: Now what do we get? I just don't think they
Speaker 1: got enough. And I think that it is the haves
Speaker 1: and the have nots. I truly believe that if I'm
Speaker 1: in the have nots category, I'm voting for this because
Speaker 1: who knows how long I get to play. But while
Speaker 1: I get to play, I'm going to get an extra
Speaker 1: check that seventeenth game and extra chance at the playoffs.
Speaker 1: The guys who were making a million dollars a game,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't want to play a seventeenth game.
Speaker 1: They don't want to run that risk. You know that
Speaker 1: these are the things that are coming up now. You're
Speaker 1: starting to hear this because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: these players didn't really dive into what was going on
Speaker 1: leading up to that four hundred and fifty six page document.
Speaker 1: You know, we've all got memos emails from our bosses,
Speaker 1: and you go, nah, doesn't really relate to me. Nap delete,
Speaker 1: nap delete, And then all of a sudden, somebody says,
Speaker 1: you haven't responded to what sent to that email two
Speaker 1: months ago? You're supposed to respond and because of that,
Speaker 1: you can't get into this health program. What. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what it feels like here with some of these players
Speaker 1: that then now they're coming out making these strong statements.
Speaker 1: Now we push the vote to Saturday, and if you
Speaker 1: voted before, you can't go on second thought, I want
Speaker 1: to vote differently here, you know, can't. There's no doovers here.
Speaker 1: But there's still a lot going on. But as a fan,
Speaker 1: just tell me about seventeen games, when does it start?
Speaker 1: How many home games? How many away games? Is there
Speaker 1: a neutral site? What's the salary cap going to be like?
Speaker 1: Is franchise tag change? And are we going to be
Speaker 1: playing games in other countries and the playoffs, that's all,
Speaker 1: you know, other stuff. Yeah, I don't think we care
Speaker 1: about somebody's health and the health benefits when they're done. Now,
Speaker 1: we're more concerned about what's going to happen in free
Speaker 1: agency in the draft than what happens to you when
Speaker 1: you're thirty two years of age and not playing football anymore.
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about the coronavirus, and you're
Speaker 1: starting to see a little bit more of a move
Speaker 1: with what leagues are going to do, how they're going
Speaker 1: to handle this, and as we move forward, what's going
Speaker 1: to happen in three weeks at the twinal four. Because
Speaker 1: you've got college games going on now, and you've got
Speaker 1: fans fifteen twenty thousand at a game, you know the
Speaker 1: risk of that the Olympics might be in jeopardy. Here
Speaker 1: you have soccer matches in Italy. Basically Italy is in lockdown.
Speaker 1: They're talking about fourteen million people on lockdown, quarantine, soccer matches,
Speaker 1: no fans. I think we're headed that in that direct,
Speaker 1: and frankly, I hope we are headed in the direction.
Speaker 1: If we're going to have sporting events then let's not
Speaker 1: run the risk. I know it's about money, It's always
Speaker 1: about money, but in this situation, I think these leagues
Speaker 1: really got to take a hard look at this to say,
Speaker 1: what are we jeopardizing here? Because we don't have all
Speaker 1: the answers. We can sit here and go. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just like the common it's like the flu. Okay,
Speaker 1: but it's not. Yeah, people die from the flu, I know,
Speaker 1: but we at least have some kind of vaccine for
Speaker 1: you there. We don't even know anything about the coronavirus.
Speaker 1: We know very little about this, and it felt like
Speaker 1: we got started a little later than we should have
Speaker 1: and now you try to play catch up. So I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and go, boy, somebody
Speaker 1: overreacted because I don't know. I mean, I know what's
Speaker 1: at stake, what's going on in the Bay Area. We're
Speaker 1: going to limit the number of people who can go
Speaker 1: to a sporting event. Can't have more than a thousand.
Speaker 1: It's happening, and Lebron James said something that was ill
Speaker 1: advised flip it in my opinion, where he said, hey,
Speaker 1: if the fans aren't going to be at games, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to play Well, he doesn't know what he's
Speaker 1: talking about with the coronavirus and fans who are still
Speaker 1: going to be watching the games on TV. But I
Speaker 1: think we're going to get to that point. I really do.
Speaker 1: And the fact that you know, you're starting to see
Speaker 1: just pockets here, I think. I think there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a real hard decision to be made by the NCAA
Speaker 1: because I would not be surprised if the Final Four
Speaker 1: is played basically an empty arena in Atlanta fan free.
Speaker 1: I really believe that we could be headed there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think that these leagues, even though there's no
Speaker 1: NFL right now and baseball is just getting started, will
Speaker 1: make the decision together as one announcement or do you
Speaker 1: think one league will do something of the NA would
Speaker 1: do something, and because of public pressure, the other leagues
Speaker 1: will follow in line quickly. Well, you have spring training
Speaker 1: games in Florida, and there have been cases of the
Speaker 1: coronavirus in Florida, but you're still having you know, ten
Speaker 1: thousand people show up for a baseball game. So south
Speaker 1: By Southwest was canceled, Coachella was canceled, but we're still
Speaker 1: going to have people at sporting events like I just
Speaker 1: there's a disconnect there. For some reason, we feel like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're safe at a sporting event. We're not. We don't.
Speaker 1: We don't know right now, and I think these leagues,
Speaker 1: it's gonna take somebody else to react before the NCAA reacts,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, because the nc DOUBLEA is slow moving. Yeah, mclub.
Speaker 1: From a personal standpoint of my brothers and I were
Speaker 1: gonna go down to the six or his Hawks game
Speaker 1: next week Saturday night in Philly with my dad. But
Speaker 1: my dad's seventy five, perfectly good health. But we just
Speaker 1: we just said in there, I don't want to go.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's ring true to you guys. We're gonna
Speaker 1: buy and stuf up. We didn't have tickets yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it. Like I'm not gonna say, oh, you're overreacting.
Speaker 1: It's it's whatever you feel comfortable doing. Now. Somebody shouldn't say, oh,
Speaker 1: you're overreacting. I think we're underreacting. I mean I I
Speaker 1: just precautionary moves right now before we get this kind
Speaker 1: of under control, because we do not know. And you
Speaker 1: see what's happening you know in China, in Asia, well
Speaker 1: in other countries. The fact that Italy is doing what
Speaker 1: they're doing. That's that's a bold move. Hopefully we don't
Speaker 1: get there, but the fact that they said we're quarantine
Speaker 1: fourteen million people, Michael and Arizona. Hey Mike, how are
Speaker 1: you doing? Good morning, and thank you for taking the call.
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about sports being affected, and I
Speaker 1: know you're more in the ball and six, but this
Speaker 1: is my saying. I'm in a Formula one in Indy
Speaker 1: car and I looked the other day Formula one has
Speaker 1: one point nine to two billion views and they're getting
Speaker 1: ready to cancel the Chinese race, and they got one
Speaker 1: in Vietnam. It's probably gonna get canceled. And they also
Speaker 1: one of their big races is in Italy. So I'd
Speaker 1: like to see what you think about that affecting almost
Speaker 1: two gollion people. Thanks for the call for talking to me.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael. Well, you know these leagues, obviously there's
Speaker 1: research that goes into this, and you're not going to
Speaker 1: make a move like that unless you have some kind
Speaker 1: of information that says, look, I got to protect these
Speaker 1: drivers who go in there too, Like you owe it
Speaker 1: to those drivers if they're going to be exposed to anything.
Speaker 1: And how much exposure are you going to have? And
Speaker 1: then you can't go, well, it's just a little bit
Speaker 1: of exposure. We can't do that. And if you're going
Speaker 1: to be in China, you're gonna be in Vietnam, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be in Italy. I understand why you're going to
Speaker 1: cancel this. And you may not like it, no, because hey,
Speaker 1: we're America. And then games go on and after nine
Speaker 1: to eleven and we had a baseball game and President
Speaker 1: Bush throughout the first I mean, I love that resiliency,
Speaker 1: but I also I want to know what are we
Speaker 1: up against here? And I don't think we know, but
Speaker 1: I do think that we're going to find out here
Speaker 1: in the next you know, seven to ten day, two
Speaker 1: weeks of where we're headed with sporting events here in
Speaker 1: the immediate future. I truly think that there's going to
Speaker 1: be a change, hopefully temporary, but there's going to be
Speaker 1: a change. All Right. We'll take a break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we'll talk a little bit more about this
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Speaker 1: have for me? Hey, nice to talk to you. Dan
Speaker 1: Happy Saint Dansay, Well, thank you. The neutral sight games.
Speaker 1: If they did the seventeenth game, I think they could
Speaker 1: make that very interesting. They could have Atlanta and New
Speaker 1: Orleans play in Birmingham. Maybe have Detroit and Buffalo play
Speaker 1: in Toronto. Oh yeah, there's plenty of places with that. Purvis,
Speaker 1: thanks for the phone call, you know, but I think
Speaker 1: that they still want to expand this you to the
Speaker 1: European markets. At least they talked about Germany obviously, with London,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Mexico City. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: have you may not have a team that is, you know,
Speaker 1: that's their home base in London, but if you might
Speaker 1: have a sea season of games there in London. From
Speaker 1: what I'm told, so you might have eight home games
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Speaker 1: more phone calls coming up, and uh, do you have
Speaker 1: an update there? Nick Levin on the poll question, Yeah,
Speaker 1: since you didn't stop me from doing it, I put
Speaker 1: up the bracketologist ball which season going today? We'll see
Speaker 1: those sports media job when you watch bracketologist, NFL draft expert,
Speaker 1: or horse racing analysts, it's closer than you think. Forty
Speaker 1: eight percent draft expert, twenty nine percent bracketolog. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be a bracketologist. You're like a PhD in bracketology. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want a PhD that. I just
Speaker 1: want a bachelor's degree in it. That's it. You don't
Speaker 1: want to say this guy's gonna be an eleven seed now?
Speaker 1: But who else is a bracketok? Ken Palm like, come on,
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Speaker 1: But there's only one live televised on ESPN. Does he
Speaker 1: does he travel? Is he the He's actually the commissioner
Speaker 1: of everything. He runs the league too, and he does
Speaker 1: play by play cut costs. Yes, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: frankless job. Okay, that's not bad, Yeah it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: now we graded on a curve. We have a frank
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Speaker 1: thought that was a Wiener. All right, all right, Frank you,
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Speaker 1: It's guilt by association. But welcome to the program. Author
Speaker 1: of the Hot Hand, available wherever books are sold. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about that coming up. I noticed you've written a
Speaker 1: little bit about the coronavirus. Where do you think the
Speaker 1: tipping points going to be sports wise with the coronavirus.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be the July fourth hot
Speaker 1: Dog getting content. No, I do think it's coming. I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, this whole thing is a bit like watching
Speaker 1: the Titanic approach the Iceberg in slow motion, Like we
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, we know it's going to
Speaker 1: be very painful, and yet people on the deck haven't
Speaker 1: really wrapped their minds around it yet. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I mean, the idea of playing games and empty stadiums
Speaker 1: was unrealistic not too long ago, but it's already become
Speaker 1: reality in Asia and Europe, and there's nothing really about
Speaker 1: being in the US that anoculates us from this. We
Speaker 1: say to be a few weeks behind Asia and Europe,
Speaker 1: I think in terms of the spread of this virus,
Speaker 1: and so it would not really surprise me in the
Speaker 1: least to see extreme measures being enforced here pretty soon.
Speaker 1: I think there's a real possibility for severe disruptions at
Speaker 1: like the busiest time of the calendar for American sports.
Speaker 1: But I also wonder about this, Ben. The NCAA is
Speaker 1: slow moving. You've got the Final four, the Final four
Speaker 1: coming up in April, and I wonder if they would
Speaker 1: have the wherewithal to be the first league that would
Speaker 1: make a really dramatic decision and have these basketball games played,
Speaker 1: you know, in front of empty arenas. Well. I think
Speaker 1: the Final Four is not the issue. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people in the football stadium. But the
Speaker 1: thing about the Final Four is that it's a month away,
Speaker 1: and I think that the NBA and the NHL will
Speaker 1: probably have moved by then. It seems like they're probably
Speaker 1: going to move at some point this week. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just feels like the momentum is heading that way.
Speaker 1: So you know, the DNCA has to worry about first
Speaker 1: round games first, right, I mean, so that's next week.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are conference tournaments this weekend. Vanderbilt has
Speaker 1: sent kids home and cancel its classes, and yet the
Speaker 1: SEC tournament is down the street in Nashville. So Dancer
Speaker 1: is not the most progressive body. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you were aware of that. And I think there will
Speaker 1: probably have to be some pressure from local authorities and
Speaker 1: states and maybe even you know, on the federal level.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know what they are going
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, the idea of playing NA tournament
Speaker 1: in Mt Arenas is very strange, right, But it's a
Speaker 1: little bit different from the NBA playoffs because these are
Speaker 1: neutral site games anyway, so there's not a home court
Speaker 1: advantage that either team has. I think it would just
Speaker 1: be weird more than anything. I mentioned that you wrote
Speaker 1: the book The Hot Hand. It's available online wherever books
Speaker 1: are sold. And I was fascinated by this because it
Speaker 1: was a couple of decades ago. I did a story
Speaker 1: at ESPN. It was called getting blue or getting in
Speaker 1: the zone, as athletes called getting blue or in the zone.
Speaker 1: And I remember talking to Dennis Eckersley and I said,
Speaker 1: what's that feeling like? And he said, I can't describe it.
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't want to talk about it because
Speaker 1: I'll talk myself out of it. But you've written a
Speaker 1: book about really getting in the zone here the hot
Speaker 1: and so explained to the audience what the initiative or
Speaker 1: the premise was behind writing this. Yeah. So you know,
Speaker 1: there's really no singular definition of the hot hand. But
Speaker 1: I like to think of it as when success leads
Speaker 1: to more success. And in basketball, for example, it's always
Speaker 1: been studied in basketball, and it's when you make one
Speaker 1: shot in a row and then another, and then another,
Speaker 1: and you feel like you're going to make your next
Speaker 1: shot right. You can't miss. You're in the zone, You're
Speaker 1: on fire. But what makes this really interesting is that
Speaker 1: a few decades ago there was this classic study about
Speaker 1: the hot hand. And what made it the classic was
Speaker 1: the counterintuitive conclusion that there is no such thing as
Speaker 1: the hot hand. It doesn't exist. It's simply seeing patterns
Speaker 1: in randomness. It was this cognitive bias, this easily digestible
Speaker 1: example of seeing patterns in randomness. And you know, once
Speaker 1: that study came out, something kind of amazing happened, which
Speaker 1: is that nobody believed that the athletes themselves, none of us,
Speaker 1: because we'd all felt the hot hand, we'd seen the
Speaker 1: hot hand for ourselves. Now, some of this has changed
Speaker 1: in recent years. There is some evidence to suggest that
Speaker 1: our intuition actually may have been right all along. But
Speaker 1: to me, like the reason I was so intrigued by
Speaker 1: this was that it was a story that has genius
Speaker 1: scholars and Nobel Prize winners and NBA superstars, and it
Speaker 1: was really about something that we all thought to be true,
Speaker 1: only to be told that it wasn't. Only to realize
Speaker 1: that maybe it actually was, and that was just irresistible
Speaker 1: to me as a story. But is there such thing
Speaker 1: as home court advantage? Like that is that something? Is
Speaker 1: that real? Where you've had somebody who wins so many
Speaker 1: games in a row at home? Well, I think yeah, statistically,
Speaker 1: there are clearly advantages to playing at home. Right, Teams
Speaker 1: are are better at home. This is a little bit different, right,
Speaker 1: because we all this is sort of like personal, right,
Speaker 1: It's it's individual, it's not a team thing. And I
Speaker 1: think the real thing here is one of control. Like
Speaker 1: there's something amazing happens when we do feel hot, whether
Speaker 1: it's in basketball, whether it's in life. I'm sure you've
Speaker 1: felt hot behind the mic sometimes, Right, there are just
Speaker 1: times when you're in a zone. And the question has
Speaker 1: always been like is that real? Or is that an illusion?
Speaker 1: And I think it's something that we are still trying
Speaker 1: to figure out. I'm still thinking about it, even after
Speaker 1: spending on all these years writing about it. But you
Speaker 1: have athletes who try to put themselves in the zone.
Speaker 1: Can you physically do that? I don't think so. In fact,
Speaker 1: I asked Steph Curry about this because in the book
Speaker 1: I write about the one night that Steph Curry was
Speaker 1: the hottest he's ever been. Was really a game that
Speaker 1: changed his life and the fate of the Gloden State
Speaker 1: Warriors and the future of the entire NBA. And it
Speaker 1: was a game against the Knicks in twenty thirteen. The
Speaker 1: most amazing part about it is that the Knicks actually
Speaker 1: won the game. But no matter that. I asked Steph like,
Speaker 1: is there anything that you can do to put yourself
Speaker 1: in the zone? And he says, he doesn't know when
Speaker 1: it's going to happen, or where it's going to happen,
Speaker 1: or how it's going to happen, or why it's going
Speaker 1: to happen. But once it does happen, you have to
Speaker 1: embrace it. And he did that night. He scored fifty
Speaker 1: four points. He made eleven of the thirteen threes. It
Speaker 1: was kind of the game that changed everything for him
Speaker 1: and for us and for you know, everybody who watches basketball.
Speaker 1: What about gambling where you feel like you're on a roll,
Speaker 1: literally on a roll, or rouletts or craps. Does it
Speaker 1: play into that as well? Well? We think it does.
Speaker 1: Something odd happens when we walk into a casino, when
Speaker 1: we go to a basketball arena and Steph Curry makes
Speaker 1: three shots in a row, everybody thinks that he's going
Speaker 1: to make his fourth shot. Right, that's the hot hand.
Speaker 1: When we walk into a casino and you go to
Speaker 1: a roulette wheel and the ball lands on red three
Speaker 1: times in a row, what researchers shown is that people
Speaker 1: bet on black the next time. That's the opposite of
Speaker 1: the hot hand. It is called the gambler's fallacy. And
Speaker 1: to me, again, this is about control. When we have
Speaker 1: agency of a situation, when we are the shooters and
Speaker 1: when we were playing basketball, we think we can get hot,
Speaker 1: but when we understand that we were at the mercy
Speaker 1: of chance, we realize that we probably can't. And so
Speaker 1: the difference there is like of skilled performance and random performance.
Speaker 1: Skilled is when you can really take advantage and random
Speaker 1: is when you probably shouldn't. And believing in the hot
Speaker 1: hand can be disastrous. It can backfire on you and
Speaker 1: burn you a little bit. Do you know more are
Speaker 1: after you've done this or less after you've done this?
Speaker 1: That is a great question. I technically know more about
Speaker 1: the hot hand, but it's sort of made me question
Speaker 1: everything around me. So it's possible that I just spent
Speaker 1: like three years becoming less smart about something, which is
Speaker 1: always a great way to spend three years. Give me
Speaker 1: the athlete that you would love to talk to about this.
Speaker 1: Oh about the hot hand, Well, I you know it
Speaker 1: was Steph and I did get to talk to him.
Speaker 1: We saw Lebron talk about it a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: after he made five threes in like seven possessions and
Speaker 1: he says, of course the hothand is reel, which makes
Speaker 1: him like every other NBA player. It actually might be
Speaker 1: Klay Thompson, just because you never quite know what's going
Speaker 1: to come out of Clay Thompson's mouth, and he I think, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I wrote about Steph, but probably the guy
Speaker 1: who embodies the hot hand is his own teammate, right,
Speaker 1: Like to score thirty seven points in a quarter is
Speaker 1: still an insane achievement. And I've watched that YouTube clip
Speaker 1: over and over and I know those shots are going
Speaker 1: in and I still have no idea how he actually
Speaker 1: does it. So I would love to like insert some
Speaker 1: truth sermon to him and just like just grill Clay
Speaker 1: for like an hour about like what that feels like. Ben,
Speaker 1: good luck with the book. We appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 1: That's Ben Cohen, Wall Street Journal sports reporter and author
Speaker 1: of The Hot Hand. Yeah. I remember Jordan against the
Speaker 1: Blazers in the NBA Finals where he looks over to
Speaker 1: the broadcasting team and basically shrugs like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing here. You know, he wasn't a guy
Speaker 1: who shot threes and he's making these threes and he
Speaker 1: looks over and goes, I don't know. And I think
Speaker 1: we've all had that feeling, whether it's you're shooting hoops,
Speaker 1: you're playing golf, there's just something where you go, this
Speaker 1: is different, and you get in like you don't think
Speaker 1: about it. A lot of times amateur athletes think too much,
Speaker 1: whereas the pros try not to think. They don't want
Speaker 1: to be John mackerel famously told me, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you do what you do? He goes, I
Speaker 1: don't know. He didn't want to break it down, because
Speaker 1: then you start to think about it. An athlete doesn't
Speaker 1: want to go to the free line and go, okay,
Speaker 1: two dribbles, that elbow here go that. They don't think
Speaker 1: about it that way. The athletes are on automatic, they're
Speaker 1: on autopilot. The amateur is always thinking and Therefore you
Speaker 1: get in trouble because now it becomes mechanical, it doesn't
Speaker 1: become reactionary. And that's what you know he's talking about
Speaker 1: with the hot in Yeah, but is it kind of
Speaker 1: chicken chicken in the egg where let's say Danie Will
Speaker 1: playing basketball and you hit your first two shots. That
Speaker 1: could be a coincidence. But all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: feel like you feel confidence and you have less doubt
Speaker 1: in yourself and you're more aggressive. Like the coincidence of
Speaker 1: making your first two or three shots, it could be
Speaker 1: just a coincidence because you're a good shooter. Makes you think,
Speaker 1: now I can do anything. These guys can't control me,
Speaker 1: and it boost your confidence. Now, this goes back to
Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell where he says, you know you basically need
Speaker 1: ten thousand hours I think to master something, and I
Speaker 1: think if you've, if you've done the work, and then
Speaker 1: you get into a situation where you're making shots, then
Speaker 1: you know that you know you've practice to get there.
Speaker 1: It's the guy, you know, Fritzie'll take his hook shots
Speaker 1: out there. You know he's not gonna make three in
Speaker 1: a row. If he makes two in a row, I'm
Speaker 1: betting that he won't make the next one, you know,
Speaker 1: But you get to the point where these guys shoot
Speaker 1: these jumping and Klay Thompson has shot a million jump shots.
Speaker 1: When he gets open, he knows that he's in the
Speaker 1: right position, he's gonna make those shots. How many opportunities
Speaker 1: does he get? Now he gets all those opportunities and
Speaker 1: he puts up thirty seven points in a quarter. I
Speaker 1: think that's what it comes down to these guys. The repetition,
Speaker 1: like a golfer a million swings Tiger Woods is how many,
Speaker 1: how many millions of swings has he taken? So when
Speaker 1: we see him hit a shot, we go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. Well, he's put himself in that position to
Speaker 1: be great. It's the guy who hits shank after shank
Speaker 1: after shank, and then all of a sudden it's a
Speaker 1: chip shot and it goes in. You're like, Okay, that's random.
Speaker 1: That won't happen again. Yeah, mclovin, But you could take
Speaker 1: a million swings, you can never recreate the pressure of
Speaker 1: having to hit that pot on the eighteenth with everybody watching. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's been in situations where he's had to have
Speaker 1: those puts, so he's put himself in those positions before.
Speaker 1: It's just it might not be like Phil Mickelson to
Speaker 1: win the Masters, but he's been in other positions, other
Speaker 1: tournaments where he's been on the eighteenth where he's got
Speaker 1: to make a big pot. We've never had that experience.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I've shot thousands and thousands of free throws,
Speaker 1: but if you said, hey, at halftime of the Laker game,
Speaker 1: we want you to go out and shoot five free
Speaker 1: throws for charity. I went down to a basketball game
Speaker 1: at Rollins College last year and I was shooting against
Speaker 1: the school president for some giveaways for the students. I
Speaker 1: was nervous as hell, and I can shoot, and I
Speaker 1: made the first one. I went okay, and I was fine.
Speaker 1: I think I made four out of five, But I
Speaker 1: was nervous in front of random people. These guys are
Speaker 1: so used to being out there in front of people,
Speaker 1: doing it in front of people constantly. Yeah time, But
Speaker 1: I still don't know how you explain those days. I
Speaker 1: wasn't some superstar, little eager, but I do remember an
Speaker 1: occasional game with a ball look bigger or was coming
Speaker 1: in like in slow motion. When I mean I just
Speaker 1: was just seeing it a lot better than any other day.
Speaker 1: And you end up going four to five and hit
Speaker 1: a couple of doubles or whatever, and you want to
Speaker 1: repeat that, but you don't know how to do that
Speaker 1: the next game. I you know, guys will talk about
Speaker 1: how they they see the ball differently. It could be
Speaker 1: the time of day. I mean, there's so many things
Speaker 1: that go into it. But I do think the psychology
Speaker 1: of this is what fascinates me, because they've studied athletes brains.
Speaker 1: They've actually they I did a study on this at
Speaker 1: ESPN where they put sensors on my brain where you
Speaker 1: see things and then how does that read? And that's
Speaker 1: what they do with athletes, because athletes, you get in
Speaker 1: it and you don't know how long you're going to stay,
Speaker 1: and then you fall out of it. In their minds,
Speaker 1: they get in the zone. It's called getting blue. But
Speaker 1: that's that's why Dennis ecorously said, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: know it, but I don't know how to get in.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to get in. But when I'm
Speaker 1: in it, I know I'm in. Yeah. Well, you're also
Speaker 1: talking about being clutched, and they wanted the vaught the
Speaker 1: end of the game. I read this article in a
Speaker 1: psychology magazine a while back where they did a study
Speaker 1: where there was an emergency and they judged how a
Speaker 1: fake emergency and they judged how people responded to it,
Speaker 1: and do people run to help or run to a
Speaker 1: way to save their own skin. And they said, that's
Speaker 1: even though you've said on a lower level, it's similar
Speaker 1: in sports where the last shot, Yeah, I want the
Speaker 1: last shot, or I'm gonna get out of the way
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be I'm gonna stand in
Speaker 1: the background so I don't get the last shot. Well,
Speaker 1: the guys would have alligator arms. That's you know, when
Speaker 1: they didn't really want to take that last shot, so
Speaker 1: they arms got a little shorter there and they didn't
Speaker 1: want to take it. I mean, it takes something inside
Speaker 1: of you that you're you're willing to risk that that
Speaker 1: you want that moment. Guys live for that moment. That's
Speaker 1: why you always say you got to work the ball
Speaker 1: to such and such. It's because they work for that
Speaker 1: moment and they the risk and the reward, they're fine
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Speaker 1: Greg and Florida joins us on the program, Greg, what's
Speaker 1: on your mind today? Hey, I got to hear some
Speaker 1: of your pickup game during the break. It was great, Um, Listen.
Speaker 1: I played on the Mini Tours for a couple of
Speaker 1: years and to three years, and I hit about ten
Speaker 1: jillion golf club and one one day I went out
Speaker 1: in my shot at twenty seven on a front nine,
Speaker 1: starting out with a hole in one. Wow. And I
Speaker 1: think it's good to your point, is what you're saying before.
Speaker 1: I think it has a lot to do with hitting
Speaker 1: a million shots doing what you're doing. But also it
Speaker 1: was an odd of body experience, so like I wasn't
Speaker 1: doing much of anything. Yeah, and that's what guys who
Speaker 1: will talk about. Thanks for the phone call, Greg. When
Speaker 1: you ask somebody about hitting a home run, what does
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Speaker 1: whereas you know you can hit a broken bat single
Speaker 1: and you have it ringing through your hands. There's just
Speaker 1: something effortless about this. And if it's a jump shot,
Speaker 1: if it's making a tackle, guys will talk about the
Speaker 1: perfect tackle, how's it feel and they just said, you know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing else like it, but it's it's years and
Speaker 1: years and years of repetition though they come into play.
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