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Speaker 1: And welcome back to another episode of the Art of War. Today.

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Speaker 1: My guest is the reason all of this is happening.

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Speaker 1: He's the co founder of All the Smoke. He is

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Speaker 1: a fourteen year NBA back, he's an NBA champion, he's

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Speaker 1: a proud father. Man, I'm excited to talk to and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show today, my brother Matt Barnes. Appreciate you, bro, Man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Man on the other side of this

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Speaker 1: thing today. I appreciate you sitting with me. Man. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've watched you throughout the years, and you know, the

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Speaker 1: beautiful thing about about this platform and this medium is

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Speaker 1: that you know, you get to really sit down and

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Speaker 1: ask the questions that you want to ask and really

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Speaker 1: understand what behind the why. So Man, I appreciate you today. Man.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because we we kind of grew up not

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Speaker 1: far from each other. You were born in Santa Clara,

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Speaker 1: That's why I had my first fight ever. But you

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Speaker 1: were raised in Fair Oaks, Sacramento area.

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Speaker 2: I started in San Jose. I was in Santa I

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Speaker 2: was born in Santa Clair, Santa Clair, Kasa, but I

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Speaker 2: was raised in San Jose until I was about eight

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Speaker 2: or nine, then moved to Sacramento from like nine to eighteen,

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Speaker 2: and then off to college.

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Speaker 1: So what would you say you from Sack?

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Speaker 2: I would say Sack because that's kind of where I

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Speaker 2: went to school at and kind of made my name.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, high School, Del Campo, High.

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Speaker 1: School, Camp Okay in pharaoahs in Pharaoh. Man, take me

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Speaker 1: back to them early years as far as you can remember, Man,

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Speaker 1: when you still had your innocence before stuff got heck kicking.

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Speaker 1: What was that like?

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Speaker 2: And dre To be honest with you, I don't really know,

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Speaker 2: although I didn't know at the time, I never really

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Speaker 2: had innocence.

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Speaker 3: You know, I grew up.

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Speaker 2: I was born in nineteen eighty and my parents were

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Speaker 2: functioning drug users. My dad, you know, sold drugs, So

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Speaker 2: at a very early age, I was seeing people use

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Speaker 2: drugs right in front of me, in all levels of drugs,

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Speaker 2: but it was the norm.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: We also had kind of the party house, so I

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Speaker 2: remember what I used to do all the time was

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Speaker 2: that my parents would have the party out, stay up

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Speaker 2: all night. They let me allow me to hang out

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Speaker 2: at until really till I fell asleep, and then the

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Speaker 2: next morning I get up early and go down there

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Speaker 2: and try to tap off the rest of the budweisers.

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Speaker 2: So sometimes I get spitting in my fer cigarette. But

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Speaker 2: sometimes I'll catch me a cool, cool bud light. But

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Speaker 2: I'm like four or five at this time, broo, So

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Speaker 2: just kind of like doing whatever. But you know, through that,

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Speaker 2: I just learned a lot. You know, I learned I

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Speaker 2: was in the fast lane at a very early age,

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Speaker 2: and moving to Sacramento kind of really open my eyes,

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Speaker 2: to be honest with you, because although I'm Italian and black,

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Speaker 2: I was never really around white kids in San Jose.

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Speaker 2: And I moved to Sacramento, and although we moved to

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Speaker 2: a similar neighborhood, you know, very diverse neighborhood, they put

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Speaker 2: me in in white schools, like ninety eight percent white school.

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of when I felt like, although what

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Speaker 2: I was doing in San Jose wasn't innocence, I kind

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Speaker 2: of felt I like I lost my essence and my

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Speaker 2: from the jump just a lot of racism from which

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Speaker 2: I kind of got so the white side started with

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Speaker 2: you know, third grade nigga this nigga that you can't

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Speaker 2: didn't get it. I just didn't understand. I'll go home

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Speaker 2: frustrated or even crying. Sometimes my mom wouldn'tsole me, but

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Speaker 2: my dad, on the flip side, was like, now that

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Speaker 2: if they call you fight him, and I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: at third grade, I got the green light.

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Speaker 3: So that's really.

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Speaker 2: Really you know, that's really when I started kind of

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Speaker 2: like fighting my way to respect and then then ultimately friendships,

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Speaker 2: because you know, once I had to put some hands

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Speaker 2: super athlete from early age, played every sport football, baseball, basketball,

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Speaker 2: there it's kind of where I kind of can't mess

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Speaker 2: it kind of followed me mind entire time, my entire

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Speaker 1: Did you get any heat from the black side, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, once I started like so once we kind of

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Speaker 2: they would either be Sack high, but they had a

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Speaker 2: Salvation Army out there, and they just dropped me off

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Speaker 2: all day and I play games and play with the

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Speaker 2: was just kind of like a good balance. But then

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Speaker 2: I would I'd be white boy to them, so you know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes we'd have to go. So it's just like, I

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Speaker 2: I was an athlete. Fighting is not something I'm proud of.

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Speaker 2: But I literally had to fight my way to respect

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Speaker 2: with it on both say nowhere to run too, because

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Speaker 2: you got to think although it's more than norm now.

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Speaker 2: Biracialness wasn't really you know, something that was accepted in

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Speaker 2: the eighties, you know, eighties and early nineties, like if

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Speaker 2: I mean. And I was the although they thought I

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Speaker 2: my way to acceptance. But with that said, I still

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Speaker 2: like my earliest days, like fourth fifth grade, that I'm

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Speaker 2: still very tight with.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, bro, because I deal with the same. You know,

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Speaker 1: my father was white and my mother was black, and

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Speaker 1: my mother was dealing with, you know, a crack addiction

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Speaker 1: and fighting fighting her way through in Frisco and San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the East Bay, but my father was white

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Speaker 1: and he's raising us. You know. My dad loved my friends,

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Speaker 1: and I have predominantly black friends too. But you're dealing

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Speaker 1: with it on both sides. It's like, you know, like

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like my dad in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: but not in that way. Like my dad has rumbled

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Speaker 1: it's a tough situation.

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Speaker 2: That's where I bonded to be honest with you, not

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Speaker 2: to cut you off. That's why I bonded with my

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Speaker 2: I learned, like after my mom passed, like the way

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Speaker 2: he was brought up and how he was trying to

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Speaker 2: learn how to love and be a father. But I

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Speaker 2: saw that to say, is my dad fought like every

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Speaker 2: either in the Bay in the Bay or in San Jose,

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Speaker 2: and it would always be someone making disrespectful comments to

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'd seen no bush. I see

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Speaker 2: my dad fight like eight to ten times at the

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Speaker 2: fleet market. It was just almost like don't happen. He

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Speaker 2: wasn't And this is back when they just do hands.

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Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't nothing else, It wasn't nothing extra.

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Speaker 2: He was undefeated every time I.

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Speaker 3: Saw my wife. Yeah, so that was like the thing.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they need a link.

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Speaker 2: Now, That was like the thing, Like it just kind

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Speaker 2: of was what it was like you were going to respect,

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Speaker 2: you know because at the same just like you wouldn't,

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Speaker 2: we wouldn't bother nobody. We just happened, you know. They

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Speaker 2: just happened to love the opposite color.

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Speaker 1: And my brother was darker than me, so we really

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Speaker 1: got a lot of looks, you know. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you you kind of struggle sometimes man, because you don't

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Speaker 1: know where you fit in. But as I as I

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Speaker 1: you know, it does give you a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a chip in the edge. I'm not playing with you,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not playing with you, you know, no matter

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Speaker 1: how you feel about me, Like you know, IM not

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Speaker 1: gonna let y'all just talk any kind of way.

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Speaker 2: But it also teaches you dre and you know this,

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Speaker 2: once you get older, you don't give about fitting in,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, I'm very confident through

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Speaker 2: enough to be confident on myself. You know exactly who

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Speaker 2: I'm not losing no.

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Speaker 3: Sleep off it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but it gives you that little edge, no question,

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Speaker 1: because the other thing is are you light skinned? You

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Speaker 1: saw like you have no idea?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, I definitely didn't have the hands you

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Speaker 2: had for sure, but I definitely had to you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. People have seen my career like I

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Speaker 2: had to earn it again the same way I had

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Speaker 2: to earn it when I was nine years old to eighteen.

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Speaker 2: I had to earn it again when I got to

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Speaker 2: the NBA at twenty two.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you a week since we hear

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Speaker 1: I'm gona just go there, like how much of that

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Speaker 1: did you get? In the NBA?

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Speaker 2: A lot early on, A lot early on just tested

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Speaker 2: light skinned, tattoos, hair, like, who's this dude think he is?

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Speaker 2: And again I was never someone to who ever started nothing,

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Speaker 2: But I wasn't anyone that was going to run from

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Speaker 2: it if it came to me. And once those doors

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Speaker 2: are open, it was ain't no telling them what might happen.

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Speaker 1: Like oak Park, sack Man, that's Gangland, Yeah, that's Gangland.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because it's like it's a heavy

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Speaker 1: gang culture in that part of the region, but like

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Speaker 1: if you go more to the Bay, it's more turfs

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Speaker 1: and different things like that, so you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit different. But how much of the gang stuff

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Speaker 1: did you get pulled on you?

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Speaker 2: I mean I knew about it, you know, I knew

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Speaker 2: about it, but it wasn't really in Some of the

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Speaker 2: Oak Park, you know, fell to.

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Speaker 3: Gang violence or were involved in it.

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Speaker 2: But it was just like dre when I was out there,

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Speaker 2: it was if we wasn't in the GM, we was

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Speaker 2: at the liquor store trying to steal candy. If not,

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Speaker 2: we was trying to you know, scraunch up enough money

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Speaker 2: what do I want to do? Where's the longevity at

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00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,560
Speaker 2: I didn't know if being six seven, six eight was

436
00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,000
Speaker 2: going to work in the NFL, because this is back

437
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,040
Speaker 2: when they were still hitting. They wouldn't they wouldn't protecting

438
00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,159
Speaker 2: receivers back then, you know what I mean. So I

439
00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,480
Speaker 2: was just like, is their longevity here or they're at basketball?

440
00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,280
Speaker 2: So you know, ultimately I chose basketball, but I had

441
00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,760
Speaker 2: to work a lot harder at basketball to make it.

442
00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, really you made the decision that. Did somebody recruit you?

443
00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,080
Speaker 3: No? No, I was recruited to play both. The coach

444
00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:12,760
Speaker 3: at the high school.

445
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,840
Speaker 2: Come on, No, it was you know, my freshman year

446
00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,880
Speaker 2: I didn't play football, but I went out my sophomore

447
00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,080
Speaker 2: year and I want to say, I had like eighteen

448
00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,080
Speaker 2: touchdowns a year and got caught up to varsity and

449
00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,359
Speaker 2: I just knew, like, I mean, this is this is,

450
00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,600
Speaker 2: this is what it is. So it was something I enjoyed.

451
00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,159
Speaker 2: And again I feel like, and like you said, we

452
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,040
Speaker 2: don't hear today about a lot of multi athletes because

453
00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,919
Speaker 2: everything is so kind of like this is what you

454
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,560
Speaker 2: do which year around now. But I felt like playing football, basketball,

455
00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,000
Speaker 2: baseball on track all kind of helped me, hone into

456
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,919
Speaker 2: what ended up being my career.

457
00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,400
Speaker 1: That's proven. Like they tell you know now, what they're

458
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,480
Speaker 1: telling you know parents, which we already knew just just

459
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,080
Speaker 1: by way of doing it, is that man, don't have

460
00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,119
Speaker 1: your kids in one sport, even though people have the

461
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,040
Speaker 1: kids in one sport, because that's when the injuries come,

462
00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,080
Speaker 1: repetitive movements. They don't learn how to do anything else.

463
00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:00,840
Speaker 1: So it's like they may be solid in their sport,

464
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,520
Speaker 1: but you let them go venture out and do something

465
00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,280
Speaker 1: else and then come back to the sport physically better

466
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,400
Speaker 1: and just overall better. Sodal Campbell, Ma, and your sister

467
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,440
Speaker 1: had a situation where was some some real extreme racism.

468
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,160
Speaker 1: You got involved as big bro, and it went left.

469
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,320
Speaker 1: What happened with that situation?

470
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,879
Speaker 2: She was a sophomore my senior year, and there was

471
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,919
Speaker 2: just a little kid that there was either her grade

472
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 2: or the grade above her, that just kept harassing her.

473
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,480
Speaker 2: And I guess one day my sister got in She

474
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 2: he is a harassinger already, But then my sister got

475
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,000
Speaker 2: into it with his homegirl and they were about to fight,

476
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,200
Speaker 2: and then the dude pushed her and called her nigger,

477
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,920
Speaker 2: spit on her, and then she just came and found me,

478
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 2: and I had an open fourth pier, so I was

479
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,240
Speaker 2: about to go actually go home and smoke, but she

480
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 2: caught me right then and she was crying to me

481
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 2: with her homegirls, and then the dude just happened to

482
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 2: be walking by, so you know, we tangled up a

483
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,679
Speaker 2: little bit. I beat it out of him, and we

484
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 2: get taken to the principal's office and my sister literally

485
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,640
Speaker 2: still has kind of some of the spit in her hair,

486
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,360
Speaker 2: and I get caught in there, and to me, this

487
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 2: is what blew me away but also completely turned me

488
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,880
Speaker 2: off of my high school. Was I was breaking all

489
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 2: all Dusty Baker's records and football and basketball and everything.

490
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 2: I was like probably the biggest athlete to come out

491
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 2: of that school. And the one time I'm just like,

492
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 2: you know, one time I needed the school, they didn't

493
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 2: believe me, Like, nah, this kid's dad's lawyer, he wasn't

494
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 2: raised this way. So I'm just like, I'm three months

495
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,640
Speaker 2: from going to UCLA. You think I'm just gonna beat

496
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 2: this kid up for no reason? You don't see my

497
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 2: sister here crying with the ina. So after that I

498
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 2: was off theme. But I ended up getting suspended for

499
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 2: a whole week. And during the suspension they just came

500
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 2: and vandalized the school, like burned down the bathroom, swastikas everywhere.

501
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 2: I'm mannequin hanging from the big oak tree with my

502
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 2: football jersey on it died Niggers.

503
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 3: So it was just to this day.

504
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 2: If you go back there, if you look in certain ariage,

505
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 2: you can see swastikas carved into the cement. The neighborho

506
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 2: same school, same school, the same school. Yeah, like it's

507
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: it was. It was up made national attention, you know,

508
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 2: the NAACP came down there. But they had put a

509
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: they had actually put a hit out on me, and

510
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 2: a story that's gonna flip your flip your lid. Is

511
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: my cousin who was or is I think like Italian

512
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,479
Speaker 2: and Indian from my mom's side, ended up being one

513
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: of the biggest skin heads out there and he had

514
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 2: went to prison for killing somebody, so he had hit

515
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: my mom. But keep in mind, this kid had spent

516
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 2: Christmases with us on holidays because it was my mom's

517
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 2: older brother's son. He called my mom and said like, hey,

518
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: there's a green light on Matthew's head. And it already

519
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: had got back to the prison, so we actually had

520
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 2: to move and we had the NAACP. It was like

521
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 2: like twenty four hour security for us for a good

522
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,439
Speaker 2: How did you NAACP?

523
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 3: They heard about it. Yeah, they heard about it and

524
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 3: came up the side.

525
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: Bro, that's some old school racism. Like that's that's old

526
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 1: school racism. N word, you know, swastikaz, you know, something

527
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 1: hanging from it. Like I said, old school. That's that

528
00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: deep deep Hay, that's that's crazy now. You know, as

529
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: I was reading your story and kind of getting up

530
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: to speed, like is that pocket is that area known

531
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: for that? It was? It just that high school.

532
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot of it was a

533
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: cool thing to like roll with Confederate flags. But I said,

534
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: we're talking about high school years of like ninety four

535
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: to ninety eight, so it's cool for them. There was

536
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 2: a lot of cowboys out there, a lot of white boys,

537
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: and they had the big trucks and they'd have Confederate

538
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: flags hanging from them. So again up to that point

539
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 2: in high school, I faced it in elementary school. But

540
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 2: I hadn't really had no other racism until I got

541
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: to high school and we would go to some high schools.

542
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: I remember the school Casta Castle Roeblaze. It was a

543
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: straight cow town Orangeville, California, and they had They would

544
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: hold bananas up and call me a monkey during the

545
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 2: game and liked from lying im flying me and my

546
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 2: dad was fought like six kids from that school after

547
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 2: the game.

548
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:49,479
Speaker 3: It was crazy.

549
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 2: It was it's in the paper somewhere if someone go

550
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: find the Sacramento be Archives, it's in there. So I

551
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: just faced a lot coming up. And again from third grade,

552
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: it was always we're not turning up cheat like we

553
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 2: go and get himself. Keep in mind, so I'm a

554
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: junior or senior high school. I'm seventeen nineteen, so my

555
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: dad's probably mid thirties maybe early forties. And we were

556
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: being able squared up back to back until like the

557
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: police could really came in intervene, like we're about to

558
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: scrap like five or six kids.

559
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: So it's just it just was what it was.

560
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: That's interesting that, like you know, Pops had his struggles

561
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: and like you said, he was there, not there, but

562
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: he did have your back door.

563
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: At one thousand percent. And you know what I learned

564
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: after with my dad. You know when I lost my

565
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: I lost my mom in two thousands, and I feel

566
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: like from that is when I kind of gave my dad.

567
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: So again, my dad was always there, but he was

568
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: out providing. He was doing whatever he had to do

569
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 2: and working in the streets to make sure we were good.

570
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 2: So again he was there, but it just his presence

571
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: wasn't as as there as as I wish it would

572
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 2: have been. But that's the one thing, like I said earlier,

573
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: like he loved his kids, you know.

574
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 3: What I mean, loved my mom. So no matter what

575
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: it was, he was always going to be there when

576
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 3: it came down to it.

577
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: Man, I asked stephen A. Stephen A. Smith is the

578
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: the other day. Man, You know he sawbody's father and

579
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: stuff like that, said, man, did you did you see

580
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: any of that or learn anything about why your father

581
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: was like that? Through your grandfather great grandfather? Did you

582
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: learn anything else about your father?

583
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: He never actually ever told me. He actually opened up

584
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: and broke down to my sister one day and just

585
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: told me, like the levels his mom used to do

586
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: to him because he was one of the youngest and

587
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: his dad left, so she kept, you know, kept the

588
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: dad away his whole life, literally until my dad was

589
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: thirty five. Was the first time he met his dad.

590
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 2: I was there and then he died like six months later.

591
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: He looked just they looked like twins. So I learned

592
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: through my sister telling me that just what kind of

593
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: abuse from like sleeping on the floor eating dog food

594
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 2: to getting whooped and burned and all kinds of shit.

595
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: I'm just like god damn. So he never really knew

596
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: how to show.

597
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: It, you know what I mean.

598
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: But until you know, unfortunately my mom passed and he

599
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: never felt comfortable enough to open up. So we started

600
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: having discussions about it. He had discussion with my sister,

601
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: and he obviously he knew my sister told me. So

602
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: that's when I kind of offered him counseling, like, hey, Dad,

603
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm going through counseling, now, what do you think of it?

604
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: And you know what was Craig dre was I was

605
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: maybe right when I was retired thirty seven, thirty eight,

606
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: and I was still kind of scared to ask my dad,

607
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: like Dad, I think you need you know what I mean,

608
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: to kind of tell them. Although my man myself like,

609
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: I still don't I still don't know, you know, the

610
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: right way to approach a situation like that, because he's

611
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: always just being like a monster and a provider and

612
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: a protector for us. So I'm just here, I am

613
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: in my ripe age, still kind of hesitant about, you know,

614
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 2: offering my dad, like, you know, if you want to

615
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: get help, you know, I'll take care of it. And

616
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: surprisingly he wrote back, He's like, thank you. You know,

617
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: you don't know how much this means to me. I

618
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: didn't really know you cared like that. But I'll actually

619
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: I will, I will do it. I will find somebody.

620
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: So it was kind of like a dope kind of

621
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: like father son like kind of you know, coming you know,

622
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 2: coming to the lord type situation for us.

623
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: So it was, you know, it was it was cool.

624
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: How is possible with your sons? Right?

625
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 3: He's a great popeye.

626
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: I mean he's got mother, nine grandsons, and one granddaughter,

627
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: so he got what I What I love the best

628
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: about my dad is even when my homeboys kind of

629
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: meet my dad, unless you know me from back in

630
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: the day, people are like, your dad used to be

631
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: like really like because he's so cool, now he likes

632
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 2: to smoke his weed and drink his little to care

633
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 2: his little wine and always mowing his lawn and building.

634
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: It was just like they don't understand the dude I.

635
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 3: Grew up with. Nah.

636
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 2: But he's a great grandpa and all the kids love

637
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: him and he's really good with them.

638
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: So I love it.

639
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: From a standpoints, I feel like, not that he missed,

640
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: but he did kind of miss with me and my

641
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: brother and my sister, so he gets a chance to

642
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: do it as a grandfather.

643
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: It's like that with my mother too. Man. You know,

644
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: I love my mama, man, because you know, as I

645
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: got older, I understood the depths of you know, the

646
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: generational addiction. And you know, even when I was, you know,

647
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: in the streets smoking, using drugs, pills and alcohol for

648
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: my short stint, you see how strong it is.

649
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: Strong not yourself.

650
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: It's a strong pool.

651
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: You're not yourself.

652
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: And with the stuff she was messing with, so I

653
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: can only imagine. But I love that lady because man,

654
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: she kept fighting and whatever she missed in my life, man,

655
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: she's that to my babies. She's granny, you know. So

656
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, you live, man, you learn, you grow, and

657
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: I think you know, we learned to give our parents

658
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: men some grace because what your dad came up and

659
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: stuff my mother came in. They were wasn't talking about

660
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: counseling most of the time. They weren't having family meetings.

661
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: They're not talking through stuff. They're just dealing with it

662
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: and they just getting older, but the stuff is still there.

663
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 2: And learning how to parent on the fly too. I mean,

664
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 2: there's no real real book today. And obviously financial situations

665
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: always kind of play a role in it, you know

666
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: what I mean, So just making ends meet and trying

667
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: to survive themselves. I also got kids, they got I

668
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: gotta provide for it too.

669
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: After the situation, what happened with your sister? What was

670
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: you c LA's response to that?

671
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: Surprisingly, they were good with it. They wouldn't really Then

672
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: they kind of found out what it was. We explained

673
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: what it was. Obviously we had to explain what happened,

674
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: but I think they saw, you know, what had happened

675
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: in my school and how the NAACP got involved and

676
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: all that kind of they just realized what I wasn't

677
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: out looking for trouble. I was just responding to it.

678
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: So really it wasn't really a blip. They wasn't tripping.

679
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: They still accept me with open arms.

680
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: What did y'all go when you left that neighborhood?

681
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: Probably like fifteen minutes away, just to another neighborhood. I

682
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: finished up my senior year and then I never was

683
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: really Maybe I had like a year and a half

684
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: stint in Sack two your stint in Sack when I

685
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: was in the pros. But most of the time, I mean,

686
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: I made LA full time home after that?

687
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: What was that like from you never really leaving home

688
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: like that? Going and you see it like a big school.

689
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's a lot going on a lot.

690
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 2: And my freshman year in nineteen ninety eight was an

691
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: NBA lockout, So we're having all the stars come to

692
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: our games too, So I'm kind of tripping, like, yo,

693
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 2: this is what LA is like. And we're, you know

694
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: you SLA basketball, So we're VIP to parties and situations

695
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: and premieres and all kinds of stuff.

696
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: It was a whole new.

697
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: World and it really didn't care. I'm a chameleon, you

698
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I think obviously my upbringing

699
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: from knowing how to be around white people and and

700
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: sophisticated people and being around the streets, you know what

701
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: I mean. So I was able to just kind of okay,

702
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: this is what LA is, Like, I'm gonna blend and

703
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be cool, stay out the way and learn

704
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: and have fun.

705
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: But how does a young kid survive uc LA or

706
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: you or USC if there's like a star player, scholarship player,

707
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: it's a lot going on.

708
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just you know, not to make

709
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: it sound like dire, but I feel like I had

710
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: been surviving. I had survived up to that point, you

711
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean, and now here's an opportunity to

712
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: kind of change my future. So there really wasn't no.

713
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: So I was someone who was all hang out and

714
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: drink with you. I'll hang out and smoke with you,

715
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: but I always knew what the goal was, you know.

716
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: I had some of the homies that got caught too

717
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: much up in the life of what LA was about

718
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: in and kind of washed out, you know what I mean.

719
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: So I just knew, like, yeah, I'm hang with you,

720
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: but I know where I come from, where I've been,

721
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: and what the goal is.

722
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: So you wentn't to overwhelmed. But no, so you stayed

723
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: at UCLA four years. What year did you come up?

724
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: Two?

725
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: So you two? You were the forty six pick drafted

726
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: by the Memphis Grizzly but then immediately traded to the

727
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Cleveland Cavaliers. Just getting drafted. What was that moment like

728
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: for you and a fan?

729
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: It was cool, but I was also embarrassed to be

730
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: drafted that late. To be honest with you, Yeah, I

731
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: was embarrassed to be drafted all because I felt like

732
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: I was better than that. But it just kind of

733
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: was what it was. So there wasn't really an exhale,

734
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: you know. Obviously families excited, friends excited, but it's time

735
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 2: to go to work, and unfortunately, I really didn't get

736
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: a chance to really show my like I thought, funny

737
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: enough is I think Gino's in here. Gina was out

738
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: there when I got drafted to Cleveland because he was

739
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: friends with Ricky Davis, who was one of the young

740
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: stars on the team and right hand of God. I

741
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: went out there and played well, bro shot the ball well,

742
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: rebounded well, did what I was supposed to do, and

743
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: all of a sudden got cut like after two weeks.

744
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: I'm just like damn.

745
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: And so from there it's like what's next? And luckily

746
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: I want to say the G League. It was the

747
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: D League back then, but the G League was in

748
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: its second year, so I ended up going to the

749
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: G League and Fairville, North Carolina. Bro. Crazy, Oh crazy,

750
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: you talk about a culture shot. Coming to LA and

751
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: going to Fairville was nuts. But again, it just kind

752
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: of got me on my grind, bro, Like, I just.

753
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: It was never an arrogance.

754
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: It was just a confidence knowing myself, Like, I got

755
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: a lot to work on this game, but I know

756
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: that I'm better than this level of the game, and

757
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: we're just staying in nasty hotels and terrible travel, wasn't

758
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: making no bread. So it's just like he got me hungry.

759
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: It really got me on that grind and it just

760
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: made me appreciate everything more because I think some people

761
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: think you get drafted, okay, I'm a millionaire, and now

762
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: like it's there's so much, many more layers to that,

763
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: And I just think the fact that I got drafted

764
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: and cut right away like really like, nah, wake up,

765
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: you got a lot more work to do.

766
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: Got a grind, Nah, I've never seen it coming. I

767
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: definitely didn't see it coming.

768
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: When you're playing against the dudes, you wasn't like, man,

769
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: it's just a lot.

770
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: Nah, it was.

771
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: It was just a challenge, you mean, Like I said,

772
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: I definitely had to work on because in college, I

773
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: you know, my coach would played me at the four.

774
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: Like coming into high school, I was like on the

775
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: wing at you know, a point forward type. He put

776
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: me out of power forward because we had such a

777
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: talented team. But I could play any position. So when

778
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: I came in the NBA, there wasn't stretched forwards they're

779
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: my size like there is now, Like I was a

780
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: three period like power forwards were six eleven like Chris

781
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: Webber and Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett and the Sinners

782
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: were shocked and the lines of Morning and these dudes

783
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: and the threes or.

784
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: You know the position I had to play. So I

785
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: had to kind of relearn that.

786
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: So I knew I had work to do, but I

787
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: just knew that I could do it if I would

788
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: have had the opportunity. Unfortunately, I just didn't get the

789
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: opportunity with Cleveland. So I just got on my grind,

790
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: played well in the in the in the G League,

791
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: and then was able to find my way to the league.

792
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: And I think it was four you got your first

793
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: taste of real action with the Clippers, and then you

794
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: ended up signing with Sacramento Kings, the whometown team. That

795
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: was a short stint, but like what we like being

796
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: and sat back.

797
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: It was a mistake to be honest with you, Dre,

798
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: because when I was at UCLA, this is the Lakers

799
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: and Kings in their heyday, you know, when when they

800
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: got cheated and all that kind of Lakers were the

801
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: Lakers and Kobe and Shaq were were dominating.

802
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: So I grew up being a Laker fan.

803
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: But you know, obviously the Kings grew on me from

804
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: sacking and see Webb was the big homie. So every

805
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: summer I go home and he was staying sack and

806
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: work and I was training with him.

807
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: He put his arm around me, gave me some bread.

808
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: Just kind of started teaching me life all and off

809
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: the court.

810
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: And it was super dope.

811
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: So but I had an opportunity to sign a two

812
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: year deal with the Clippers for the minimum, But just

813
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: to be able to go back to a team for

814
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: two years is what I should have took. Because he

815
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: learned in this game to not you know, turn down

816
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: to guarantee. But I stayed in Sack all summer and

817
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: worked out, and Rick Adaman came down and see me, like, hey,

818
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: what are you about to do? And I just told

819
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: him I was like, I don't really know, coach. He's like, well,

820
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: you want to come to training camp. So it wasn't

821
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: even a guaranteed. I just got invited to training camp

822
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: and ended up making the team. But then unfortunately that

823
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: first season I get traded with Webb to Philly, so

824
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: it was it was a short stint in Sack, but

825
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: again I got a lot of game from guys like

826
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: Bobby Jackson taught me how to work hard. Web was

827
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: like the big brother to me. Adaman was a great

828
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: coach in mine, so I got early on how to

829
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: see how to play in space and concepts and play

830
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: out the pinch post and move around it. So I

831
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: really stoked up a lot of game in that short

832
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: amount of time. But then I went to Philly and

833
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: like sat on the bench for two years. So that

834
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: kind of almost puts me in a position now once

835
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: I leave Philly to like I don't really have no

836
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: game tap, you know what I mean, Like I don't

837
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: really have nothing to show nobody, so they kind of

838
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: put me in a predicament where I could have almost

839
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: been out the league before my career even started.

840
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: Well, you are so confidence right now because you go

841
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: to high school, down college.

842
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: It's down until one day I remember telling myself, man,

843
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: I I was like, if you don't believe in yourself,

844
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: how is someone else going to?

845
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 3: And that was it was. It was a random day and.

846
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: For the I was in Philly, I wasn't getting a

847
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: chance to play. I didn't know why, and I just

848
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: didn't get no. But I was just down, you know.

849
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: But one day I just like woke up. I'm just like, bro,

850
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: you gotta believe in yourself. And I was just like,

851
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: I hired Chris whoever's shooting coach, started putting in the

852
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: work before after practice off day, just started shooting the ball.

853
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: And then that's when me and actually me and Mo

854
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: Cheeks bump his because I was putting in extra work

855
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: after practice. One day, it was like two hours after practice,

856
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: nobody was there left, and he comes back in the

857
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: gym and he starts laughing and he says like, I

858
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: don't know why you're shooting. He's like, you're not going

859
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: to get to do that here, and kind of laughed

860
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: and walked away. I'm like, what I said this in

861
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: my head, just kept shooting. And then like a week

862
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: week and a half later, we're in practice, and I

863
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: remember I was treating practice like games. So this is

864
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: a young Inguadala, this is Kyle Korer, Lou Williams is there.

865
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 2: Like they got some some some young talent in there.

866
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: But I kind of felt like I still should have

867
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: got an opportunity. I just didn't get an opportunity. So

868
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: in practice, I'm going hard, you know, hoping to just

869
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: kind of show a little bit, to get a little

870
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: bit of burn. And I remember I took a shot

871
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: and he stopped practice and blew his whistle.

872
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: Yo, what I tell you?

873
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: You don't shoot here, and that's not what you're doing,

874
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: and just kind of and I just lost it and

875
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: I chased after him. I think I think it was

876
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 2: like Sea Webb or Rodney Rogers or Samuel Dellenberr. Someone

877
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: grabbed me and I luckily I didn't get to him.

878
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: And then I just kind of went back, kind of

879
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: cool down and just kept working. Never really got a

880
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 2: chance to play. But the dope thing was the next

881
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: season or that following summer is where I was in sack,

882
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: just training and Baron Davis hits me up out the

883
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: blue the day of like, hey, bro, we're about to

884
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: play some pick up down here, like at ten or

885
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: eleven in the bay if you're at the worst, so

886
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: if you're around, brushed my teeth, took a shower, got

887
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: on the road, got there, played played really well, and

888
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: again similar to Adam and Don Nelson comes down that

889
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: day He's like, hey, I just saw you play. Where

890
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: you going to camp? I was like, I don't know

891
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: coaching at this time. I'm working out football too in

892
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: the summertime because my agent had lines some NFL trials

893
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: out for me, so I didn't really know. Again, I

894
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: had no game film. I got there are people going

895
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: to me or not? So I was training football and

896
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: basketball this day of the summer. I was ready to

897
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: make that jump. So I'm training both these that summer.

898
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: That's O six oh seven h six seven yeah.

899
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah that season. Yeah.

900
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: So I'm training both that summer and now he invites

901
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: me to camp. They said he had eighteen dudes on

902
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: the roster, three invites, like three partial guarantees. I beat

903
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: all them dudes out and ended up making the roster

904
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: and went from my kind of like the eleven tenth

905
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: eleven man to the sixth man and then by the

906
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: end of the season starting. But I said that to

907
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: say though, when Philly came to town s mo Cheeks

908
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: came back to the Bay and I told Nelly leading

909
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: up to this game, I'm just like, I kind of

910
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: gave him like the cliff notes of how he just

911
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: dogged out of me. I was like, coach, just let

912
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: me go tonight, and he's just like, heh long, you

913
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: don't get a foul trouble mat I'm good with it.

914
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: So I ended up going out there and I hit

915
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: my first shot.

916
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 3: And that was lucky.

917
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: He said that, man, you can ask any you ask

918
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: anybody on the other team. I kind of looked at

919
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: him and kind of just shook my head, and then

920
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: I hit another shot, and then I looked at him

921
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: and I didn't say nothing yet. And then by the

922
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: time I hit and I want to say, someone got

923
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: to check me on this. I want to say I

924
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: had twenty five points. I think I hit six threes,

925
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: and after I started going, I started I started, oh, yeah,

926
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: maybe seven. I was so disrespectful to him that game

927
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: called him all kind of turned during the game. The

928
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: crazy part about it, Dre is their bench was laughing,

929
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: their trainers living because they all knew how he used

930
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: to dog me. So the finally I finally got my

931
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: first chance to kind of show you like you you're

932
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: less rock and it was it was really against him.

933
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, I play like twenty five points I think,

934
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: and yeah, six or seven threes. But it was kind

935
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 2: of like that vindication of just like.

936
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 3: Man, like you dogged me. Yeah, like you dogged me.

937
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 2: For so long and even went out of your way

938
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: to be disrespectful to me, and you're lucky.

939
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: All I'm doing is talk to you. What is that though?

940
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: Man, it's like if you're a coach man, it's like

941
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: just fusterism, because.

942
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: That's why that's why he's always he's been. And you

943
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 2: know what hurt me more than anything is I respect again.

944
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: Like I was a Fanomo Cheeks. You know what he

945
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: did with the Sixers and and you know with those

946
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: teams he had over there, the way he ran his teams,

947
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: and I was a fan. And then when I got

948
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: a chance to meet him, I was just like, you

949
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean, So it it and to me,

950
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: it's why he was never as good as he was

951
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 2: as a player and probably the as a basketball mind

952
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: as good as a basketball money was it because he

953
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: could never take that. He was never serious enough. I

954
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: remember one time and I can probably tell the story

955
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: now because we're both older, but I remember Allen Iverson

956
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 2: told him in the locker room one time in DC.

957
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: He said, just because you wear the mother suit, don't

958
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: make you a coach.

959
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 3: I said, Oh. I was like, yeah, I get him, Chuck,

960
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 3: get him chuck, you know what I mean.

961
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: So it was just like, dudes kind of saw like

962
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: we see through you, you know what I mean, No

963
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: matter how good like, but the way you treat people

964
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: is like we can feel that that type of energy,

965
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: and a coach should never be on that kind of chime,

966
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it was just kind

967
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: of weak on his part, but.

968
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: It is what it is.

969
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: Man, your game really really went to another level under

970
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: don Nelson.

971
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: Wide the first coaster really gave me a chance and

972
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: believed in me. You know, he told me, it's just like, hey,

973
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: you know, I know you can shoot, Like, don't be

974
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: afraid to shoot here. I'm like, what the fuck okay,

975
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: And I want to say I was the first place.

976
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: So there was some weird stat they brought up that

977
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 2: season where up to that point, like my third season,

978
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: I probably hit like ten or twelve threes my whole

979
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: career because I just wasn't necessarily whether I was ready

980
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: for it or known for it or allowed to do it,

981
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: I just wasn't really doing it. And my first season

982
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: under him, I hit over one hundred, so like that

983
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: kind of jump, but it was it was really just

984
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: him believing me allowed me to just be me, and

985
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 2: he allowed me to be like a versatile guard forward

986
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: where I would be able to handle the ball and

987
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: make plays. I'd be able to shoot, you know, as

988
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: long as I played hard. He would kind of allow

989
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: me just to play the game, and he really kind

990
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: of just opened the door for me to kind of

991
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: show the rest of the league what I can do.

992
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: And then you know, I was off.

993
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: But that's what we believe here, right.

994
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: What was that year like.

995
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: Team crazy because we were we weren't a very good team,

996
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 2: but I started playing better and it made Troy Murphy

997
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: and Mike then then leave expendable, and right before the

998
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: trade deadline they go out and get stacked in al

999
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: Harrington and it kind of just changed. It gave us

1000
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 2: a little life. Although Baron was hurt at the time,

1001
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: we still we like when we got them. It took

1002
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: us a little bit to get going. But I remember

1003
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: this one trip to Detroit, went into Detroit and this

1004
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: is the Detroit team that won the championship. We went

1005
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: in there, smacked him, Ben Wallace, Rip, Chauncey Tayshawan, all

1006
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: them dudes, and we went in there and smacked him.

1007
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: And just on the plane, we were just feeling like, yo,

1008
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: we can make a run if you need to. So

1009
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: we end up winning like sixteen or seventeen out of

1010
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: like twenty one or twenty two games. It comes down

1011
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 2: to the last game of the season and the Clippers

1012
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: control their destiny and they lose at home, and we

1013
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: ended up winning in Portland and sit next thing you know,

1014
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: we're in the playoffs and Don Nelson had an old

1015
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: riff with Mark Cuban in the MAVs, so Nelly was

1016
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: treating his moth like the World Championship. We were so

1017
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 2: ready for this series, bro, and we really believed we

1018
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 2: could beat them. And for the first time, Nelly put

1019
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: small forwards on dirt because this is Dirk MVP Dirk cooking.

1020
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 3: Dirk.

1021
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: Dirk was a killer. He was always a mismash for

1022
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: bigger guys. They couldn't stay with them. So for the

1023
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: first time they me and Jack guarded them, and then

1024
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 2: we knew every time he spinn to send the double

1025
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: and we had dirt just frazzled the entire way.

1026
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: And we went and went in there and won Game one.

1027
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: In Dallas, and it was the series is over because

1028
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: we had too much confidence. We had a lot right, like,

1029
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: we had a lot of dudes that would fight in

1030
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: the club, smoking, drinking and still going there hooping, so

1031
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: we wouldn't intend to do that. We tried to like

1032
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: we really it was funny. I talked to uh Stackhouse

1033
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: a little bit about it, but I've seen Josh Howard

1034
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: at the top one Hundy camp. Both our kids were

1035
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: at it, and we had actually we sat down to

1036
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: lunch and kind of talked about it's like, y y'all

1037
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: try to punk because me and stack were so him

1038
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: and Stackhouse was so mad.

1039
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: They like the rest of the dudes, let it happen.

1040
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: But it was. It was dope.

1041
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: But then you know, ended up losing in the second

1042
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 2: round and then the very beginning of the next season,

1043
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 2: when I say, like November first of that next season,

1044
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: I find out my mom is sick with four cancers,

1045
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: all in stage four, and then she dies twenty six

1046
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: days later, So she died diagnosed. The first dies the

1047
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: twenty seven So like in a month, I lose my

1048
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: best friend and it's just like a cloud. I was lost,

1049
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So that whole season was

1050
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: a wash. I don't really remember it, but what I

1051
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: do remember is although Nelly opened the door for me,

1052
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 2: he also shut it there. And I still kind of

1053
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: I don't feel the way anymore. I kind of I'm

1054
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: over that part, but I remember. So I remember coming

1055
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: to the end of that season, I had a small

1056
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: time agent and everyone's telling me, Oh, you need a

1057
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: bigger agent. You're about to get paid. These fuckers on

1058
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: t T talking Oh he's going to get He's going

1059
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: to get that thirty million dollar range. So I was like, damn,

1060
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: maybe I need to. So biggest mistake fired my small

1061
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: time agent, get Dan Fagan Rest in Peace.

1062
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: But I wasn't really with Dan after what he did

1063
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: to me.

1064
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: I get a bigger agent, I'm thinking I'm supposed to

1065
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: get I'm hearing thirty thirty to thirty five. I go

1066
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: on vacation and come back, and Dan says he gave

1067
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: the money to other people. But Dan was trying to

1068
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: get me more money than they were willing to give me,

1069
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: and they just got tired of it and ended up

1070
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: going a different direction.

1071
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: So it was a conversation about getting that getting that number.

1072
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I miss out on a nice payday. Long

1073
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: story short, I end up coming back to the Golden

1074
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: State situation, and then Nellie wanted to give me a three year,

1075
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: twelve million dollar deal. At the time, but this was

1076
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: when the guys were getting like five years seven or

1077
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: for thirty five, so like seven a year. I was thinking, okay,

1078
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: I'll get something close five six. So I was just like,

1079
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: and again this is probably a up on my part.

1080
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: I'm just like, nah, if you don't mind, I'd rather

1081
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: prove myself one more year, so let's do. So I

1082
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: got like a one year, four and a half million

1083
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: dollar deal. After that season. I'm just like, coming off

1084
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: the iver was like thirteen in the playoffs, play really well,

1085
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: really just think this stands a chance to play, So

1086
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: let me come back to Golden State. Where he's letting

1087
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: me rock one more year and then try to get

1088
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: that thirty or forty million. But then that next year

1089
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: is when my mom died. So it was just like

1090
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: kind of started me all over and then but Nelly

1091
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: kind of held it against me, And once I got older,

1092
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: I realized it because he's he's thinking like, I gave

1093
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: you a chance to play here, you played well, and

1094
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: then you have the nerve to turn down a multi

1095
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: year deal that I'm offering you, you know what I mean.

1096
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: So again, some of that was my fault, you know,

1097
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: not turning down guaranteed money. But I just felt like

1098
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: I can get more if I would have give me

1099
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: one more season where my mom doesn't die. And I'm

1100
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: playing like I'm playing I'm going to get more money.

1101
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: But he's so.

1102
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: I remember one day when I finally started feeling better,

1103
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: like she died in November, probably like around in January

1104
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: or February. I'm back practicing. My energy's back, I'm feeling good,

1105
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: and he pulls me outside with this low drink in

1106
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: his hand, and he told me like, I'm glad you

1107
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: didn't sign the long term deal here.

1108
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: Your time is up? Wow, Like what you mean my

1109
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 3: time is up.

1110
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: He's like, you probably won't be playing much the rest

1111
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: of the year, and he's stuck to his word, like

1112
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: barely play me, but never explain why. But when I

1113
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: got older that I was like, this is the only

1114
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: reason why he could have did this to me because

1115
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: I was one of his favorite players. The only reason

1116
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: why he could have do this to me is because

1117
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: I turned down his extension. And he's kind of the

1118
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: man that opened the door to allow me even be

1119
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 2: in this position. So again, some of it was my fault,

1120
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: but he stuck to his word. But I remember there's

1121
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: one game where I here four or five three, hes

1122
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: only played thirteen minutes, you know what I mean, Like

1123
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: I was, and it's just kind of how it was.

1124
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: And then it kind of started my my carousel.

1125
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: Y'all never had a conversation about it, redon.

1126
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: We didn't.

1127
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: I'm definitely and my goal is still, you know, we

1128
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: want to get on Nelly's line and have an interview

1129
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: with him. And I don't know if he'll even remember it,

1130
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: you know, but it was it is something I still

1131
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: plan on, you know, having a conversation because I have

1132
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: a lot of love and respect for Nelly. Again, he

1133
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: is the one coach that really go play basketball and

1134
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: allowed me because you know, if it wasn't for that,

1135
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't even that would have been I would

1136
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: have been out the league in three years, four years.

1137
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: That's a tough spot, though, bro, because it's like, if

1138
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: I know, if I feel strong about and I can

1139
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: get double that, yeah, why wouldn't I hold on. I'm

1140
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: not trying to be disrespectful, but I can't take that.

1141
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: But man, I want to be here yep.

1142
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: But for somebody that if that's what he did, if

1143
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: he used that again, that's a tough spot because.

1144
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: To me, it was only like I was just I'll

1145
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: tell you, like Nelly heavy, I remember this one game

1146
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: where we're in Memphis and I had seven threes and

1147
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 2: I wanted to say I had like.

1148
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 3: Thirty six thirty seven points.

1149
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: The next day, we're coming down to breakfast and I

1150
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: didn't have no sweatshirt on. It was cold, and Nelly

1151
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: tried to give me his stinking ass smoke jacket. He's like, here,

1152
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: wear this. I don't want you getting sick. I don't

1153
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: want you getting sick. So he'd like, and I'm like, no, coach,

1154
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm good this kind of bullied me into wearing jacket

1155
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: that morning. But you know, I ended up being a

1156
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: captain on that the team of the year before, Like

1157
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: I went from the end of the bench to six

1158
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: man to starting to starting in the playoffs.

1159
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: So Nelly really me. And again, so when I turned

1160
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 3: that deal down and he flipped the script on me,

1161
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 3: it could have been the only reason why he flipped

1162
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: the script on me was because I turned down kind

1163
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 3: of like biting the hand to feed you.

1164
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: That's that's the life of the things that happened in

1165
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: the NBA and in professional sports that people really don't know. Yeah,

1166
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: I get a headline like Matt turned this down, but

1167
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: you don't understand that the ground or how the backlash

1168
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: hit you.

1169
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is pre social media, you know what

1170
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: I mean. So it's just it's kind of behind yeah,

1171
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. It kind of is what it is.

1172
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: So you kind of just have to damn, I messed

1173
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: that opportunity.

1174
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 3: What's next?

1175
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: Man O seven one? Mom's past man Like, like what

1176
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: was going on in her? Get go get checked out?

1177
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: She actually so she leading up. We actually had a

1178
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: we we I got lawyers to see what are leg

1179
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: you know, if we had legal process, so we were

1180
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: gonna sue Kaiser when we found out leading up because

1181
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: we're leading up to it for a year and a

1182
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: half before. Six times now six times she went to

1183
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: the doctor, you know, shortness of breath, never have energy,

1184
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: and she was a little bit overweight. So they made

1185
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: her change or diet and even just started doing this,

1186
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: so she lost like fifty sixty pounds and she's like,

1187
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: I still feel the same way, but they just wouldn't

1188
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: run no blood tests or do no scans. So she

1189
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: had a minor heart attack at work, got rushed to

1190
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: the hospital, got her bidal signs back down, and they

1191
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: were like.

1192
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 3: Got her out that day.

1193
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: But my dad was wheelchairing wheeling her out in a wheelchair,

1194
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: and they saw my dad's doctor that did his knee replacement,

1195
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: so they stopped and started chopping it up. And it's like,

1196
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: you know, he asked, my mom, why are you in

1197
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 2: the wheelchair?

1198
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 3: Woo whoop.

1199
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: It's like I had a heart attack today and they're

1200
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: already getting me back out. They didn't even do no

1201
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: blood work, no scans or nothing. He's like, well, do

1202
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: you want me to take you back? Like yeah, So

1203
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: he took her back and he took X rays of

1204
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: her chest and there was so much cancer in her

1205
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: chest you couldn't even say it was blurry, like she

1206
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 2: had two softball sized lumps on her chest, but the

1207
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: rest was just like, man, wow, it's really bad. And

1208
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: she had four cancers, all in stage four and died

1209
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: ship twenty six days later. So we were going to

1210
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 2: sue because they actually went back and my dad found

1211
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 2: and the records like six years or sixcuse me, six

1212
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: visits in a year and a half, and they didn't

1213
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: do anything. And then once we got the lurks, it's like,

1214
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: you know how much Kaiser get sued, and it's you

1215
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: know how many malpractice suits they have. It's like, to

1216
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 2: be honest with you, it's not going to be worth

1217
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: the money you're going to spend for me to win

1218
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: this case.

1219
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: You probably won't get nothing back. I was just like,

1220
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: damn man. So it was what it was when she.

1221
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: Got that diagnosis. Did they attach a time framesur No?

1222
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 3: I remember too.

1223
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 2: We had just got to have a preseason game in Seattle,

1224
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: and she called me right when I got on the

1225
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: plane in Seattle and told me, and I was just

1226
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: in like literally right when I'm coming up the stairs,

1227
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: I'm about to sit down, and I'm just in disbelief.

1228
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: What what I'm like, No, I don't worry. We're gonna get you.

1229
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: U c l A.

1230
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,479
Speaker 2: And then she's just like, nah, baby, I don't know. Yeah,

1231
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: but she just didn't have no confidence and she was

1232
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 2: gone four weeks later.

1233
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: Smoke or anything.

1234
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: No, she smoked cigarettexcuse me, she did smoke cigarette. She

1235
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: quit cigarettes when we got older, but she did smoke

1236
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: him when I was younger.

1237
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I was like the catalyst two of

1238
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: you and Pop's kind of coming around.

1239
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 3: Lost. Yeah it did.

1240
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: I lost, you know, I lost my mom but gained

1241
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: a dad. And it was just such an interesting dynamic.

1242
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: And I that was all my mom's doing, you know

1243
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: what I mean. It was the first time I see

1244
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: my dad cry, hug us, tell us he loves us.

1245
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: It was it was just a whole new person kind

1246
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: of just broke down and opened up and just started

1247
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: being a dad. And to me, the forgiveness, the forgiveness

1248
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: was instant because to me, it was never too late.

1249
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: It's never too late to be a dad, you know

1250
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1251
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: So it's just like I learned my toughness from him

1252
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: and not to take no. We bonded on sports, but

1253
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: I had to kind of learn unlearn everything else. And

1254
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: I always told God, if I ever had an opportunity

1255
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: to have kids, I'm gonna be the best dad I

1256
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: possibly can. And that's kind of what I've held my

1257
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: standard to since you know, the twins came out.

1258
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: You also gained a brother too, because you and Jack,

1259
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: you know, y'all were teammates, but you shoid you know,

1260
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: Jack showed up for Steven Jackson. How did he show

1261
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: up for you? Doing that?

1262
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: Just every day dre just checking on me because you know,

1263
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: Nellie was cool. He allowed me to miss practice if

1264
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: I just didn't have the energy or the life in me.

1265
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: And I was making trips back and forth to Sack,

1266
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: you know, from Sack to Oakland to just be with

1267
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: her in the hospital.

1268
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: But Jack, every.

1269
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: Time I was home, he would come watch Steve wa

1270
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 2: with me, bring me some food, he comes, smoke, we come,

1271
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: just talk and chop it up. So he just kind

1272
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: of went out of his way to just make sure

1273
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: I was good. But another funny part was in that

1274
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: short time of the season before my mom and his

1275
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: mom had bonded strong strong, strong strong. But yeah, so

1276
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: they were really cool. So it was just like, you know,

1277
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: it kind of made me and Jack. Although we were cool,

1278
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: we were teammates, we always kicked it together. It just

1279
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: kind of took our friendship to another level when he showed,

1280
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: like how much you really cared and loved me.

1281
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: Come, one thing obviously been been.

1282
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: We're here now because of it. That's why we're sitting

1283
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 2: here now.

1284
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, that's a beautiful thing. Bro. You don't always

1285
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: get that with brother's man, No, you don't, you know,

1286
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: And I love it too because sometimes when when a

1287
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: person is dealing with like that kind of pain, sometimes

1288
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: you don't know what to do. But sometimes just sitting

1289
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 1: with that person, bro.

1290
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: What you want to do? You on our TV you

1291
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: don't feel like talking, I'm with you, I'm with you, said.

1292
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: There would be times. It's funny stay because there'd be

1293
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: times sitting there with just silence.

1294
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: He was there.

1295
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, that's dope. Bro, that's dope. I'm gonna jump

1296
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: ahead a little bit from seven to two ten. Man,

1297
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: when you you had the Kobe no flinch?

1298
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 3: Mo?

1299
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened with the Kobe no flip?

1300
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: The Kobe situation with you know, Kobe came to LA

1301
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: I want to say ninety six, and I came to

1302
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: ul A ninety eight, and he was just always on

1303
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: our campus and come to find out later, you know

1304
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: that he just didn't really get along with the older

1305
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: energy that Shock had and and you know some of

1306
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: the things that was going on. So you would have

1307
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: thought Kobe went to UCLA. He was always on our

1308
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: campus and he used to come in and train and Polly.

1309
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: After we had practice.

1310
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: So it started to just, first of all, like this

1311
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: dude's only two years older than me, Like, there's no

1312
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: way I'm going to the NBA. Like watching the stuff

1313
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: he was doing in these workouts, I'm like, ain't no way,

1314
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: ain no way, you know.

1315
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: What I mean.

1316
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: So it kind of started as like admiration and respect

1317
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: and going back into Polly and watching them work out

1318
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: and then playing pickup games with them. So he was

1319
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 2: kind of always the target like I missed MJ, you

1320
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So by a year, so when

1321
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: I got there, I was just when I when I

1322
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: finally got there, I'm like, oh, here we go. But

1323
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: I had been watching him for a long time because

1324
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: he was just around so it was just always just

1325
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 2: a mutual respect, you know, just used to make him work.

1326
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 3: That's it. Make him work.

1327
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 2: Nothing easy, hard fouls if needed. Like, it was just

1328
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: a mutual respect. So the the Orlando situation was the

1329
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: Orlando Magic and the Lakers have played in the finals

1330
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: the year before, and the Lakers had got him, so

1331
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 2: they were expecting this is young prime d White. Howre

1332
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: was incredible by the way, They're expecting this Orlando team

1333
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: to go back to the finals. So that and that

1334
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: offseason they went and got me, Vince Carter and Jason Williams,

1335
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: so we were ready to go, you know, one of

1336
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: the best teams in the East all year. So it

1337
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 2: was like March heading into the playoffs and it was

1338
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 2: just a real chippy game and.

1339
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: Cold. One thing about Code was.

1340
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: He's always obviously the sharpest tool in the box when

1341
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: it comes to skill work, but he also tried to

1342
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: put you and grab you and elbow you and do

1343
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: dirty a little bit. And now he hit me one

1344
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: time bro in the tournament, knocked the wind at me.

1345
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: I wanted to like try to rip his head off

1346
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: for the restaurant calling it. So I'll start doing some

1347
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: hard fouls and obviously they're calling fouls.

1348
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 3: I mean, so I'm like, yeah, so I'm thinking.

1349
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: Like I'm thinking, and you know, we talked about it

1350
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: in our last interviews.

1351
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: Like I was like, bro, I was ready to fight you.

1352
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: For real. I was ready to fight you. Like the

1353
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 3: ball fake just kind of happened.

1354
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: It wasn't like premeditators the way like I want to

1355
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: throw the ball in this mother.

1356
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 3: So I just faked it, you know what I mean.

1357
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: So just it kind of happened.

1358
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: That's a cold But I still was ready to whoop

1359
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: him right still. Yeah, he's not gonna flinch. I'm not

1360
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,479
Speaker 2: gonna flinch. What's gonna happen? So, uh, you know, long story,

1361
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: I actually played good. I think I had like sixteen

1362
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,959
Speaker 2: or seventeen points hit the gain, you know, the game

1363
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: deciding three end up winning that game. Fast forward playoffs

1364
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: come Boston gets us in the Eastern Finals. Lakers beat

1365
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: Boston in the finals. There's talks to me getting some

1366
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: decent money from there too, but they ended up going

1367
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: to a different direction with another player. So I'm just like, damn.

1368
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: So I get a call from pat Riley and he's

1369
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: kind of telling me what Miami is building and this

1370
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: is leading into the Big three year. He's kind of

1371
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: telling me who they're going to get, what the lineups

1372
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: would be down the stretch, and I'm like, I'm right

1373
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: down the street. I'm gonna get a chance to play

1374
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: with Bron and d Wade. I'm with it. And then

1375
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: I get a random call from a number I don't know,

1376
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: and I pick it up and it's code and I

1377
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: don't believe it, and it's him, and we kind of

1378
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: start going back and forth. And I didn't talk about

1379
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: the incident at all.

1380
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: Really.

1381
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 2: I congratulate him on the championship, and he asked me

1382
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: what I'm doing this season.

1383
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh, no, I might go to Miami.

1384
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 3: What's up?

1385
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: And he's just like, you want to be a Laker.

1386
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: He's like, anyone crazy enough me is crazy enough to

1387
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: play with me. I'm like, well, I'm win. And literally,

1388
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: like three days later, I was on the plane to

1389
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: LA sign my contract.

1390
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's interesting because you know, similar to you and

1391
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: Kobe kind of coming up together in college a little bit.

1392
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's like that with us in a fight game, right,

1393
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: like fancye you and they're like they think y'all just

1394
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: met or y'all just came across each other. But you

1395
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: know that I've been seeing him since, you know, you

1396
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: know each other.

1397
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't even call it a friendship before either, Dreg.

1398
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 3: I'm not yet. I wouldn't say. It was just always

1399
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 3: a mutual respect, you know what I mean.

1400
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 2: Obviously he was who he was, and I was trying

1401
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 2: to establish who I was. But just every time I knew,

1402
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 2: like okay, if I got to show out against anyone

1403
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: that's him, I got to really lock in with him.

1404
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: So it's just like it was just a mutual respect

1405
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 2: for each other up until that point. And that ball

1406
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: fake you know, made his brothers because he became teammates

1407
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: and kicked it heavy heavy, Like people were like, how

1408
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: do you get cold to go out?

1409
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know.

1410
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: He calls me, you know what I mean, Like we

1411
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: would go places and he had gotta. I gotta keep saying,

1412
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 2: he just had you just had. It was a different life, bro,

1413
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: It was a different life, you know what I mean.

1414
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: So that was my dog and we really bonded, and

1415
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: like you said, people know this is kind of still

1416
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: pre social media, so people don't know, you know what

1417
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: I mean, and they only think, oh, you guys, you

1418
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 2: know he didn't like you or you guys didn't get along.

1419
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, like, if you only kind of

1420
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 2: really knew what it was, and they like we bonded heavy,

1421
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: like NC. I remember coming to that team. I'm a

1422
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: talker in the first person I went that was him,

1423
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: and he came right back at me.

1424
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 3: Right.

1425
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 2: So I'm just talking even in the locker room, just

1426
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: talking period, just because I kind of he was quiet

1427
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: and people are kind of scared to kind of poke him.

1428
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: It's like he recruiting me. I mean, let me see

1429
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: where we're at with it. So I would just start

1430
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: talking to him. He talked back, and it was cool

1431
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: after that, and then after that it was just super

1432
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: open and he kind of let the wall down and

1433
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: gets Remember one time we were on a bus at

1434
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: the Phoenix Airport and we were talking so much shit

1435
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: and laughing and busting up. I'm like, bro, how come

1436
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: we don't show the world this? And he thought to

1437
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: himself for a second and he kind of giggled like,

1438
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: and b I can't show these mothers aside. And he

1439
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: was just always in kill mode. He was always in

1440
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: mamba mode. But I was just lucky to get to

1441
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: know the other side. And then post career, I think

1442
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: we became closer because he was coaching Gigi and I

1443
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: was coaching the Twins, and and everything was out in

1444
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: Orange County where he lives. So we would talk on

1445
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: the you know, every two weeks we see each other.

1446
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: So I'd hit him or he'd hit me, like, hey,

1447
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: what time you play? We play here, you play there.

1448
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: We'd always make sure we went and support it. But

1449
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 2: I remember there's a handful of times the Twins are

1450
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 2: like eight years old at this time, and he came

1451
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: and watched the Twins, Like we played at like eight

1452
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: and they played like at eleven. So this my game

1453
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: three hours early and watched some eight year olds play basketball.

1454
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: There's a dope video too, because Ashton was just born.

1455
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: My six year old was just born, like probably two

1456
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: weeks he had been born. He shouldn't even been out

1457
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: the house. Shit, But Coke got he watched the Twins

1458
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: and got a chance to meet Ashton. Ashton was like

1459
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: two weeks old, and then yeah, it was dope.

1460
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: Well what was it like being on a team with him,

1461
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: with a dude that that's setting a pace like that.

1462
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: That kind of work ethic always grind.

1463
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: What is that like you got to run through the

1464
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: wall if he's gonna do it. I mean, I've seen

1465
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: Kobe play through so much shoulder fingers, hands, ankles, like

1466
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: play like he would have to not be able to

1467
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: move to not get out there. So your best player

1468
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: is on that level, you don't have no you know,

1469
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: you have no choice. But I was always on one

1470
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: hundred anyway. So I think that's why he went and

1471
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: got out and got Ron our test the year before,

1472
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: because Ron choked him out or tried to choke him

1473
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: on the playoffs, and then he went and got me

1474
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: the next year, like.

1475
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 3: I'm trying to rest.

1476
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: The craziest part in the Dopish is how me and

1477
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: him and Ron used to like you got to think

1478
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: we were all we all start, you know, there was

1479
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: all times where we were all starting or all playing

1480
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: on the floor, and like me and Ron would want

1481
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: to do like now we got them, bro, you just

1482
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: won't worry about scoring. But let him mother or I

1483
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: got that mother, you go guard here you go, Like

1484
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: we would argue who was going to guard the best

1485
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 2: player or the best players that night? Like although he

1486
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: was the man, like he brought me and Ron into

1487
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: be some pit bulls on the defensive side and kind of,

1488
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 2: you know, do whatever, Like he was still want to

1489
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: guard the best player, Like, nah, bro, we got to

1490
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: chill out, just go score. We got this, you know

1491
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it was just you just saw

1492
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: his competitiveess when I would go out in Orange County.

1493
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: The first time I went to work out with him, Sorry,

1494
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: what time we up?

1495
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: He's just fourth third. I'm like, damn, bro.

1496
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, I'm gonna drive down. He's like, now,

1497
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: get yourself a hotel room down here. So you saw,

1498
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: so you're not late. So we're on the track at

1499
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: four thirty in the morning, run the sprints, then go

1500
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: in the weight room and live crazy weight, then right

1501
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: to the court to shoot. I'm just like, it's like

1502
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: this every day. It's not negotiable. So he's done with

1503
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: his day at nine in the morning, you.

1504
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

1505
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: So if he wants to go back later in the

1506
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 2: day and do whatever, but he he didn't got five

1507
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: hours of work before the sun came up.

1508
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 3: So it was just again, it.

1509
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 2: Was it was dope to see that side and how

1510
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 2: obsessed he was with he always you tell me, He's like, NB,

1511
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: I gotta sit at the table. Does that mean it's

1512
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: like I want to be able to get more more rings,

1513
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: like I sit at the table with MJ. That was

1514
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: his thing. I gotta get one more, NB, I gotta

1515
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: get one more. I'm like, if we win one more,

1516
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: can we smoke?

1517
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 3: He's like, yep.

1518
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: And fortunately because I came over the year they had

1519
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: won the back to back and they were supposed to

1520
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: you know, a three P his second three P.

1521
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 3: I tore my knee in March of that year.

1522
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: He came back and shelling myself in the playoffs and

1523
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: Dallas beat the out of us and that was the

1524
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: Dallas made their run and beat the beat Miami brawn

1525
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: in them and won the championship.

1526
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: You knew that route that he was on, that he

1527
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: that he passed on, like you knew his system, like

1528
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: getting getting the chopper he do, like.

1529
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was I mean, it was colming because he

1530
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: lived in Orange County, so he flew to l A a lot,

1531
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: and he would always have a car here just to

1532
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 2: kind of sometimes he'd drive back and forth. Most of

1533
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: the time he'd copper or Chopper to I don't even

1534
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: know where he landed. I think l A X and

1535
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: then came to Al Sagunna for practice. So there were

1536
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: going from Orange County to the Mamba Academy, which is

1537
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: in Thousand Oaks, so that's a that's probably a good

1538
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: two hour drive.

1539
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 3: So he was he jumped in the plane. Excuse me, the.

1540
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: Chopper chopper right, man? Bro, what was you thinking about

1541
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: when you got that call.

1542
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 3: About col loss? I couldn't believe it on the news.

1543
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 3: So what happened was I still had a house in the.

1544
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 2: Bay back at this time, and I took my aid

1545
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: the Twins team to the Bay to plane against there

1546
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 2: was supposed to be some tough ass team from San

1547
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: Francisco we need to play, So we were in the championship,

1548
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: was on the Sunday Championship Sunday and we were supposed

1549
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: to play him that day. And me and at a

1550
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 2: tri level house and we're at my room's at the

1551
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 2: very bottom. So the kids are upstairs in the game

1552
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: room around and I'm smoking some of the dads down

1553
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: in my.

1554
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 3: Room and we're watching TV.

1555
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 2: And one of the dads hits me and says, Kobe

1556
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: just died out of here. And I don't even keep

1557
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: smoking whatever. He's like, Noah, for real, Kobe just died.

1558
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 2: He's like, someone just told me. Then we turned on

1559
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: the news and sure enough, So I went up and

1560
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: told the twins, because since we came to La the

1561
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 2: twins were maybe four or five four maybe when I

1562
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: came to the Lakers, and Cobe embraced them instantly, giving

1563
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: them shoes, hugging them. They'd wrestle with them in the

1564
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: locker room. That was Uncle Coke, and throughout every time

1565
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: a shoe dropped, he would send the twin shoes, and

1566
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 2: once they started playing, he started sending their whole team shoes.

1567
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: So the crazy now we have a picture of this.

1568
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: He redid one of his earlier shoes.

1569
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 3: They just had.

1570
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 2: Arrived two weeks before, and the whole team had them

1571
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 2: on that day for the tournament. And so I went

1572
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: up and told the twins what happened, and they started crying,

1573
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 2: and it was just kind of a really somber day.

1574
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: We went out there and beat the other team we

1575
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: were supposed to be in honor of him, and it

1576
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: was it was.

1577
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 3: It was tough, man, it was. It didn't seem real.

1578
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 2: And then at first you're hearing all the rumors who

1579
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: else was on the chopper with them? It was other

1580
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: teammates and this, this and that, and then to find

1581
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: out it was Gigi and her teammates and some other parents,

1582
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 2: and just like Trey, something was even crazier than that.

1583
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 3: Though this is.

1584
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: A pandemic time, or right before pandemic, right after pandemic,

1585
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. Someone correct me on that, but everyone

1586
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: was wearing masks. And I was in Gelson's in Encinom

1587
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: and I had a hoodie on and a mask, and.

1588
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 3: I had passed this dude.

1589
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: This dude had passed me like three times, and I

1590
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 2: saw like in his eyes, his eyes were watery every

1591
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: time he passed me, just stare at me. So fine,

1592
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, can I help you? Like why do

1593
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 2: you keep looking at me?

1594
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1595
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: And he pulls his mask down. He's like, you're Matt

1596
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: Barnes right. I'm like yeah, He's like right here to God.

1597
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: I was the rate of radio communicator with Kobe when

1598
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: he crashed. So he told me that they came in

1599
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: and there was heavy fogs, so they had him circling

1600
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: around the La Zoo and then they were in a

1601
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 2: holding pattern and they had to wait. They had to wait,

1602
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: and then he said, all of a sudden, they had

1603
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: left and got on the other side of the freeway.

1604
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: So it was someone else's job to tell them, you

1605
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: know what, what to navigate the space.

1606
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 3: It wasn't.

1607
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: So he said he went to lunch, and he didn't

1608
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: know it was Kobe at the time, obviously, because he's

1609
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 2: only talking to the to the to the helicopter God.

1610
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,959
Speaker 2: He says, he goes to lunch and comes out, comes

1611
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: back and finds out that helicopter had crashed, and then

1612
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: he said it and then by that time, once he

1613
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 2: found out, he found out it was Kobe, So he

1614
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: said he just had it. He's like, I don't I

1615
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: don't want to scare your way. I probably shouldn't even

1616
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 2: tell us, but I can't tell nobody this. And he

1617
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: told me that and Gelson's grocery store Ennings.

1618
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 3: No.

1619
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: Unbelievable, man, Yeah, unbelievable man. I remember I was at church.

1620
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: I took my boys to work out early that morning.

1621
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: We went to church, and all of a sudden, you

1622
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: just start seeing people looking up phones, phone's phone. All

1623
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's just I looked at my phone

1624
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: and man, unbelievable.

1625
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, unbelieva. It don't seem real.

1626
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 2: I mean after you feel like you just don't feel

1627
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 2: like you lose superheroes, Like superheroes don't die, you know,

1628
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 2: they do something else and was.

1629
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: Gonna be great.

1630
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well he was so adamant, you know, he was

1631
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: so so. Me and Jack went out to his space

1632
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 2: in Orange candidate interview him. And when I tell you

1633
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 2: from the time we stepped in, because we went into

1634
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: the office and just kicked it with him for a

1635
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: little bit. He was showing us the children's book he

1636
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: was writing and told me something about it's fun, and

1637
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 2: he was just so adamant on just like watch this

1638
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: next twenty years and be like, what you mean is

1639
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: like I don't want people to know me for the

1640
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 2: last twenty years. And I'm thinking, like five times I'm saying,

1641
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 2: one of the greatest what are you talking about?

1642
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 3: It is like now watch watch what's next.

1643
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 2: And Kobe was the one that told me, like, our

1644
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 2: transition in the business should be easy because we're such

1645
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 2: a disciplined athletes to make it where we win. If

1646
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: we just applied this same discipline to business, we're going

1647
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: to outwork everybody.

1648
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 3: And he was the first person.

1649
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: Although I knew my grind was going to do that,

1650
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: he's the person that put it in words. He's just like,

1651
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: you know, you know me, We're up at four or

1652
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 2: five in the morning on the track. Now I'm up

1653
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 2: at four or five in the morning, answered emails. It

1654
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: a lot easier, you know. So he was the one

1655
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: that like, yo, if we apply this athletic grind to life,

1656
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: we're going to kill it.

1657
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: And when he went line, yea Ryan Coogler had that line.

1658
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was with y'all. He's saying

1659
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: how he said, man, I work everybody in the industry

1660
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: because I was an athlete.

1661
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we told and we talked about what I just

1662
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 2: told you on that and he's like, oh, it made sense.

1663
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 3: I remember we were downstairs. We talked about that.

1664
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the mission is different, but the mindset.

1665
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 3: Is still the same. Grind still got to put the

1666
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 3: work in.

1667
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: You got to put it in, period, o'kay. How much

1668
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: money you made, you still got to work.

1669
01:06:55,040 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 2: And Kobe had a fund oscar children his books like

1670
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 2: investments you saw, you know. Unfortunately, after he passed, he

1671
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: cashed out for what four or five hundred million were

1672
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: body armor? Like he was so at it was so weird,

1673
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 2: how adamant he was about it that day, Like, man,

1674
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: watch this next twenty, that last twenty, watched this next twenty.

1675
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 3: I'm just like, damn, all right, bro, I'm with you.

1676
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: And lately you and Jack y'all been standing on business

1677
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: about some of the comments you've been hearing about Kobe,

1678
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: things that you feel people weren't saying while he was alive.

1679
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1680
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: I just feel and obviously everyone's entitled to tell your opinion,

1681
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: but if you got a chance to be around there

1682
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: to play against it or play with them, it's just

1683
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: like you guys, wasn't saying none of this weird when

1684
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 2: he was here, Like, none of the weird obviously. I

1685
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 2: feel like the media is always kind of attacked Cove

1686
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 2: and because he's had some issues off the court, and

1687
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: then for years they said he would stand office or whatever.

1688
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 2: But I never saw that, dude, you know what I mean.

1689
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: When I met him, he was cool as a mother fan.

1690
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 2: But I kind of felt just kind of thinking back

1691
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 2: and watching this journey with you know, some of the

1692
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 2: stuff on and off the court, or excuse me, some

1693
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: of the stuff off the court, like some of the

1694
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: media's had that the media.

1695
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 3: Had an agenda against him, you know what I mean.

1696
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: So I expect ESPN or Fox or these weird ass

1697
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 2: leach report, these weird ass you know, numbers to come

1698
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 2: out where he's not top ten or he's not this.

1699
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: But then when you speak to guys that you know

1700
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 2: in the league's he's top three, you know what I mean.

1701
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 2: All it's consensus at least at the worst, top five

1702
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 2: when you talk to former players. But then you let

1703
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: this the media tell you and everyone start kind of

1704
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 2: talking weird. Now it's just like, come on, man, like

1705
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: you expect these mom to do it, but what are

1706
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 2: you doing? So this just you know, just just trying

1707
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 2: to bring something.

1708
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: Even appears even players saying.

1709
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 2: The players started saying stuff later they're weird. Yeah, it

1710
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: wasn't even anonymous, it was it was some people are

1711
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 2: with you know what I mean. And I didn't throw

1712
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: no names on what I said. I'm just like, man,

1713
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 2: y'all got to chill with the hypotheticals or would it

1714
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 2: should have, could have, would have like you wouldn't with

1715
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 2: COVID and you know that period, So why I act

1716
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: like you are now that said, Man.

1717
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: It's on a little bit lighter. Know, man, you you

1718
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: done broke off a few few dollars made to the NBA.

1719
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: Bro Yeah, buddy, you didn't have some situations with the NBA.

1720
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 1: Are you thinking about that while you in the middle

1721
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: of something right now, Like this might be forty, this

1722
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: might be fifty.

1723
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: I never was because going back to my childhood, like

1724
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 2: the one thing I took from my dad is, you know,

1725
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: family is everything. So whatever team I was on, it

1726
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 2: was family first, and and and if you look back

1727
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: at the majority of my finds, none of my finds

1728
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: were ever really people coming at me. It was they

1729
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 2: were coming at the stars of my team. And if

1730
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 2: I'm in the fox which I'm in the foxhole with

1731
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: you right or wrong, already gonna go, you know what

1732
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 2: I mean. So there was just a lot of times.

1733
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 2: Oddly enough, the only person that paid for a fine

1734
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 2: when I had his back was cold. Only person, Oh,

1735
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: don't worry about that, that won't come out of their check.

1736
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: I got you, like a word that come out of

1737
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 2: my check. So, yeah, that's crazy.

1738
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into the the to the

1739
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: Dear Fisher altercation and all that stuff, bro, But what

1740
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: what I do want to talk about out is the

1741
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: growth aspect.

1742
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 2: Bro.

1743
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: So you got to help me. You got to help

1744
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: me understand how you got here, bro, because I don't

1745
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: know if I could have got here Beefish coaching your

1746
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: boys and it being peace on this side. Please tell

1747
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: me what what did you do? How did you get there?

1748
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 2: Meg Fisher cool man? And that's a lot of people

1749
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: still and you got y'all today. Yeah, to this day,

1750
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: we straight he wouldn't be coaching my sons if we weren't. Man,

1751
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 2: come on, help me, yeah, we wouldn't. But people don't realize,

1752
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 2: like this was man like eleven years ago, you know

1753
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 2: what I mean. So I mean, obviously what happened happened.

1754
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 2: You know, I divorced the twins mom and after that,

1755
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 2: you know, whatever happened happened. And then whatever happened between

1756
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,719
Speaker 2: me and him happened. But I had left to Memphis

1757
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 2: for that season, and then it comes out later I

1758
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 2: ended up gett suspended and all that. When I come

1759
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 2: home next summer and I'm not and I'm still not

1760
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: like I'm not on like it's on site type, like

1761
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 2: I was at peace with it.

1762
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1763
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 2: I wasn't really necessarily tripping. I didn't know if I

1764
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 2: was big enough yet to kind of squash it. But

1765
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 2: what made me squash it was when I, you know,

1766
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 2: when I came home, like how you being, what's going on?

1767
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 2: You know, how's Derek treating you? And the twins response was,

1768
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 2: you know, Derek is great. You know we loved Derek.

1769
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 2: You know, is there any chance you guys can be friends?

1770
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, easy call, you know what I mean? So

1771
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: once because of me, it wasn't about my ex no more,

1772
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, like our ships had sailed.

1773
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 2: It was just about what was best.

1774
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 3: For the boys. How are we going to raise these boys?

1775
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 2: And they told me that, and we were at I

1776
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 2: remember the Twins that won a championship flight football game,

1777
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: and we were with the group of everyone was kind

1778
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 2: of after we're done celebrating, everyone's walking out to the

1779
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: parking lot and Derek's kind of like thirty yards behind us.

1780
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 2: But I'm up here with my ex wife and the

1781
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,440
Speaker 2: twins and the rest of the team and everyone's celebrating,

1782
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: and I remember this look too.

1783
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 3: It's funny. I stopped and I yell his name, and.

1784
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: Then I just happened to like my ex wife was

1785
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 2: standing next to me and she looks at me like

1786
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: a what are you about to do?

1787
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 3: So I wait for him.

1788
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 2: He walks and we just talked, and I'm just like, listen, man,

1789
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 2: you know, I want to do what's best for the kids.

1790
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 2: And we had the conversation about you know, I told

1791
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 2: him why I did what I did, and he kind

1792
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: of spoke his little peace and it was cool after that,

1793
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because again, it wasn't about

1794
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 2: my ex wife anymore. It was just about what's best

1795
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 2: for my kids. And my kids had had taken to

1796
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: him so to me, like before that happened, like Fish

1797
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: was a solid dude, you know what I mean, you know,

1798
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 2: carry yourself well. So if anyone's going to be around

1799
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: my kids, I wanted to be someone. So I gave

1800
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 2: him like real like I was still in the league

1801
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 2: at this time. I'm like, Yo, you're around my kids

1802
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 2: more than I am.

1803
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 3: Like I need you to be.

1804
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 2: You know, don't put your hands on but I need

1805
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: to be a father figure, teaching the ropes, you know,

1806
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: right and wrong. Like I just said, like you're when

1807
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: you're their dad too, you know what I mean. And

1808
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 2: I felt comfortable enough saying that to him, and you know,

1809
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 2: he took it and he's been great. I mean you

1810
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: got to think him and that he's been with the

1811
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 2: Twins mod for like ten years, so it's been a

1812
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: long time.

1813
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't know how you complain, but it's cool.

1814
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 2: You know, like we all me heard him, We all

1815
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 2: get along. He coaches the Twins in the off season,

1816
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 2: him and you know, his wife come to to watch

1817
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 2: our a and it was all we all had to

1818
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 2: put that behind us and realize it was bigger than us,

1819
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And people like, how can

1820
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 2: you that? Never it is on side, But it wasn't

1821
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 2: because it wasn't like I was, you know, I was

1822
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: her and I were both over the situation. I was

1823
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 2: just the one that kind of finally made the move.

1824
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: So it's just like, you know, we we're both passed

1825
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 2: as a couple. But now it's about raising these boys,

1826
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 2: and you know we've I think we've done a great

1827
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 2: job raising young, respectful kids. And it took it took

1828
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 2: a village, you know, their side and you know my

1829
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: side with Anansa and everything, and I think we raised

1830
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: some well rounded you know kids, listen how long.

1831
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, I seen that he was

1832
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: standing next to the boys coaching them. So I scrolled through.

1833
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I said, that's probably old, but

1834
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: I said, oh, because the boys got older.

1835
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: I'm like.

1836
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: This, So it's you. Ever me proved that evolving that

1837
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 1: right there is it's.

1838
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: My life is, especially with my childhood. Everything is about

1839
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,799
Speaker 2: my kids, man, And I showed that on a daily basis.

1840
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 2: So if it's good for them, it's good for me.

1841
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: Man, tell me about that last year in Golden State seventeen.

1842
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: Did you know that was your last year?

1843
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, did not until after the fact.

1844
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 2: The only thing that I wanted to come back for

1845
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 2: was I got hurt going into the playoffs and I

1846
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 2: didn't really get to play in the playoffs. But at

1847
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 2: the same time, there was just stuff going on in

1848
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 2: my life outside that I wasn't really you know, like

1849
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 2: business on the good side, business started flourishing that I

1850
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 2: invested in, but I also wasn't getting a chance to

1851
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 2: see my twins as much as I wanted, and realizing

1852
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: that I'm.

1853
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 3: Missing a lot.

1854
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm missing first, I'm missing everything I'm missing on a

1855
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 2: ton of shit because I'm in the base, she's in LA.

1856
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 2: I'm not seeing them as much. I'm missing school, birthdays, parties, games,

1857
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 2: and I just had to come into peace. And actually,

1858
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, what kind of really made

1859
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 2: me decide was Ray and here my homeboy, Ray had

1860
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 2: a cardiac or wrestling was died.

1861
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. And it made me realize, like, man.

1862
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: I love basketball, but I got kids and need I'm

1863
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 2: missing so much time. And like when he I call

1864
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 2: a life after death. When this died on the court

1865
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 2: when you're playing pickup game and then came back to life,

1866
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 2: it just made me realize, like, man, it's time to

1867
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 2: bust a move. Like and I was excited about busting

1868
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: the move, to be honest with you, like, played a

1869
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 2: long time, won a championship. I was still going to

1870
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 2: be paid for two more years, so I gave myself

1871
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 2: a little window to find what was next. But most importantly,

1872
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 2: like I got to do that every day, you know

1873
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 2: what I mean, And it was it was it was time, man.

1874
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, y'all, y'all, man, that guaranteed money in the NBA,

1875
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 1: beautiful good money. Boxing. We eat what we killed. But

1876
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: it don't work, you don't eat. I feel it ain't

1877
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: nothing guaranteed, even when you signed for a fight. This

1878
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: is what I'm getting if I show up and actually fight,

1879
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: if I get injured, it's all bad. But I say

1880
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: the word retirement to you. What do you think? How

1881
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 1: do you what do you feel? And what do you think?

1882
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 3: What's next?

1883
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 2: That's what it felt to me, Like I felt like

1884
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 2: I had a I beat all the odds and lasted

1885
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 2: as long as I lasted, and had a dream career,

1886
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 2: just getting paid money to put a basketball in the hoop,

1887
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 2: and I was just ready for like what was next,

1888
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 2: What's next?

1889
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 3: What's happening?

1890
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 2: And I found space that I found this media space

1891
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: and took off in it.

1892
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: But a lot of casts, they panicked though, and it's

1893
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 1: like my baby, my thing that I'm known for and

1894
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: that I do, my routine is over with and they

1895
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 1: a lot of dudes don't flourish at all in retirement.

1896
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 2: Don't panic. It's organic, Dray. I just just on that tree,

1897
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It just figured something was

1898
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 2: something good was going to happen, you know what I mean. Again,

1899
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 2: I had a two year window, so it wasn't necessarily panicking.

1900
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 2: And I think I credit that to maybe me not

1901
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 2: panicking because I knew the first and fifteenth it wasn't

1902
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 2: going to change.

1903
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 3: It was still gonna be the same thing.

1904
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 2: So it just kind of I was allowed to kind

1905
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 2: of really evaluate stuff that came my way as far

1906
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 2: as investments and what's next, And.

1907
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 3: You know, it just happened to be media.

1908
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 2: And at first it was no to the media because

1909
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 2: you know, I'm on my end of my career was

1910
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 2: you know, the kind of the flourish of social media.

1911
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 2: So for a long time it was like, you know,

1912
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 2: like talking to the cops, like I'm not string to

1913
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 2: the media, you know what I mean. So, but someone

1914
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 2: convinced me to try it.

1915
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 3: I tried it.

1916
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 2: I loved it, and then once I realized that you

1917
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 2: could thank some good money in it, I'm like, I'm

1918
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 2: in and you know, to be honest with That's what

1919
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 2: surprised a lot of people about me because up until

1920
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 2: that point, knowing a lot of people had never heard

1921
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: me talk like you see me on the court, you know,

1922
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 2: doing whatever I do, cussing the reugh outs, you know,

1923
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: you know, himming somebody up, and that's all He's this

1924
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 2: he's that, and then I started. The next thing they

1925
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 2: see me on ESPN, they're like oh. And the next

1926
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: thing they see me on All the Smoke like oh.

1927
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 2: And you know, from there, we just we took off.

1928
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: So the pot when the podcast started on Showtime, you

1929
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: didn't even know what the podcast was. You and Jack

1930
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 1: was like what the podcast was? Like, I think it's

1931
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Speaker 1: like a lighter interviews type of format.

1932
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then you built this, Yeah, we

1933
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 2: built Yeah, we just we got to be us. I

1934
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 2: knew we could smoke a funny story. So our first

1935
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 2: photo shoot, here we smoking weed the whole day doing

1936
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 2: a photo shoot and Brian Dally we could laugh about

1937
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 2: it now, who's with us with all smoke production? But

1938
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 2: he went back to Showtime with it that They're like,

1939
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Speaker 2: what is it?

1940
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Speaker 3: Like, what? No, you know what I mean.

1941
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Speaker 2: So he had to really put his chin out there

1942
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 2: for us and take a chance on us and hustle

1943
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 2: to make it, make it happen. And you know, out

1944
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 2: the gates the first year we won Sports Pot of

1945
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Speaker 2: the Year, so they knew they had something. They still

1946
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 2: just didn't know what it was. And you know, I

1947
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 2: think we were Showtime three years, three and a half

1948
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Speaker 2: years and you know, Paramount came in and there was

1949
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 2: a possibility they were going to not want the sports side,

1950
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 2: so myself and Jelawnie and Stack we started this. And

1951
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Speaker 2: I told Brian, I'm just like, listen, I know you

1952
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: probably can't really talk about this right now, but you know,

1953
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 2: if you end up being done in showtime, there's room

1954
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Speaker 2: over here for you, you know, because because of you,

1955
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 2: we all did started and it happened, and you know,

1956
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 2: we're here five years later with the whole company and

1957
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,879
Speaker 2: a beautiful building and different verticals and boxing in MMA

1958
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Speaker 2: and we're launching NFL and it's just it's it's I

1959
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 2: couldn't imagine it being this good.

1960
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Speaker 1: It's powerful to witness bro. It's a blueprint for many.

1961
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Speaker 3: But we appreciate you, man. It was it.

1962
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Speaker 2: It was you know, when we start building out these

1963
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Speaker 2: sides of it, it's just like, you know, who do

1964
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Speaker 2: we trust and who who who can we empower and

1965
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Speaker 2: give opportunities to And we you know, getting a chance

1966
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Speaker 2: to meet you just being a fan of you from Afar,

1967
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 2: but then getting a chance to meet you, I'm like, oh,

1968
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Speaker 2: he's dope, and he's detailed, and I think he'll be

1969
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Speaker 2: great in this space. And you know, lo and behold

1970
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Speaker 2: now you're the head of the boxing side. So we

1971
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Speaker 2: appreciate that man, and you know it's a beautiful thing.

1972
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Speaker 1: Bro. We build something great. But yeah, I appreciate the opportunity.

1973
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Speaker 1: I got two more quickment. I'm gonna let you out.

1974
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Speaker 1: What would you tell your your eighteen year old self,

1975
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Speaker 1: knowing what you know.

1976
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Speaker 2: Now, enjoyed the journey. I wouldn't change nothing. I wouldn't

1977
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Speaker 2: change under the mistakes because I feel like I learned

1978
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 2: from all of them. But just enjoy the journey. I

1979
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 2: think as athletes sometimes like we're so fixed on what's

1980
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Speaker 2: next that we don't enjoy. And I enjoyed it, but

1981
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: just I felt like maybe I could have enjoyed it

1982
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 2: a little bit more. But I was always one of

1983
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 2: those guys like the six or seventh year in the

1984
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 2: in the league, I was fighting. Every every game was

1985
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: an audition, not for my team with the league, you

1986
01:19:58,520 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I never had a multi

1987
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 2: year deal till like you're six. Yeah, So I would

1988
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: tell my eighteen year old self to enjoy coyleege I

1989
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 2: enjoyed because not a lie, but enjoy the journey in

1990
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Speaker 2: the NBA.

1991
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Speaker 1: What would your mother say about the man that you

1992
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Speaker 1: have become today?

1993
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Speaker 3: She'd be so happy, she'd be proud, I could tell.

1994
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Speaker 2: I know she's smiling right now listening to this question

1995
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Speaker 2: and me answered she was proud.

1996
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Speaker 3: I mean I was.

1997
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Speaker 2: I could do no wrong in her eyes, Dray, like

1998
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Speaker 2: I could do no even my brother and sister, Like,

1999
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Speaker 2: you're not supposed to have a favorite mom love you

2000
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Speaker 2: the most, like you.

2001
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Speaker 3: Know what I mean? Yeah, that was the hommies. So

2002
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Speaker 3: it's just like she would be happy.

2003
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Speaker 2: And to know the way I'm carrying myself the father,

2004
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 2: I am the business man, I am the provider, I

2005
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 2: still am for a lot of people, she'd be proud.

2006
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Speaker 1: That's dope. Yeah, but we all got a story, man,

2007
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: and it's not always pretty. But to see you fighting

2008
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Speaker 1: through man and evolving and growing at your age, man,

2009
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing. Bro, that you're not getting stuck in.

2010
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Speaker 3: Your ways, can't you know?

2011
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like you die the day you

2012
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 2: stop learning, the day you stop growing, the day you

2013
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 2: stopped listening. I think, you know, especially for us who've

2014
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 2: been to the top of mountain, sometimes we get stuck

2015
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 2: in our own ways we put ourselves up, but just

2016
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 2: to know that there's always room to learn and grow.

2017
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 2: And I credit mind my success to me. I got

2018
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 2: a hell of a team here. You know, We've been

2019
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 2: able to build a hell of a team across the board.

2020
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 2: Every single person in here is solid and I can

2021
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Speaker 2: trust them, and I think that's why we continue to succeed.

2022
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Speaker 3: Better, keep going, man, appreciate you, no doubt.

2023
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Speaker 1: And that's a wrap for another episode of an Art Award.

2024
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Speaker 1: You know how we do, man. We got real people,

2025
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: real conversations, real stories. Man to next time. We appreciate

2026
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Speaker 1: you tuning in