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All right, let's get to Brandle and we 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.560 welcome into the clubhouse a man that said, damn it, 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.200 I'm gonna do another platform, Randal Shamble, who started the 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.440 Brandle Shambly podcast with one of the best in the business, 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:49.799 him E D s I think you and I both 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.239 can agree on that it's a podcast. It's gonna be 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:56.760 out monthly. Your first episode, you guys discussed Tiger versus 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.240 Jack the greatest ever and did you guys come up 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.960 with a definitive answer. What's your definitive Tiger Jack answer, Brandon, 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.440 I'll give you an easy one to start. Well, it's 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.600 it's two questions. So it's who's had the greatest career 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.959 and and that is by far Jack Nicholas. And who's 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.880 had the greatest peak, which is five consecutive peak seasons? 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.959 Jack and Tiger interesting because they've both had two peaks, 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.760 but the best Tiger peak is by far the greatest 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.280 peak in the history of the game. So it depends 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.320 on how you look at it. Who's played the greatest 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.280 golf or who had the greatest career? Jack again, by 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:34.800 far the greatest career. It's not even close brand by far. Yeah, 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.920 it's almost two logical. You know, Brandon, you do such 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.960 an unbelievable job on Golf Channel, one of the lead voices. 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.000 You've really made a career out of, uh, you know, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.760 i'd say your own research, you know, diving into the 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.080 golf swing and the approach to the game. And I 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.080 think that's why, you know, for for better or worse, 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.200 if you will. I know if people have sometimes said, 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.000 why did he say this? But of course a lot 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.640 of fans love the way you approach it. Uh, it's 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.400 it's really been what I've loved watching you do on 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.760 the Golf Channel and all kind of all your platforms. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.760 I want to start out with two thousand nineteen. I mean, 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.080 it's been a really I'll say, it's been an interesting season. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.040 I mean the first quarter is something that we're gonna 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.600 look back on, and I was just gonna ask you 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.159 how will remember it because we have a schedule change 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.760 that we're still kind of understanding, not just as fans, 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.920 but I think as players. We of course have had 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.680 these rule changes that have have come up here and there, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.640 and there's been a lot of controversy off the golf course. 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.680 I mean, it's been something that I don't think we're 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.680 used to see it in golf. This many things happen, 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.839 and I think what we've lost is some of the 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.040 results that happened on the golf course. You know, Dustin's 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.680 had a great year. We've seen Rory step it up 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.040 with the short game and really starting to produce these 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.120 results that look like he's gonna have a big season. 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.200 So as you look through this first quarter of two 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.919 thousand nineteen, maybe in three or four years, what do 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.360 you feel like you'll remember so far from the start 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.960 of the season. Well, we're not hurting for stories, but 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.480 you're like the controversy, you know a European event in 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.480 Saudi Arabia, was the rules, the way they were written, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.359 why they were written, What in the heck the USG 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:13.920 was trying to accomplish? That's certainly controversial. Phil winning is 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.279 is quite something. But more than Phil winning, the fact 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.839 that he's, at forty eight years of age, been able 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.280 to add upwards of seven miles in our club head 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.839 spat over the last two years. Is is one of 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:30.679 the great I think mysteries and accomplishments that I've ever 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:35.600 watched or had the opportunity to sort of dive into. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.000 And then of course there's Tiger Woods. Um, you know, 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.160 what's what's he gonna do for an encore? Dustin Johnson? 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.520 Is he gonna get back to the player he was 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.520 when he won three times in a row before he 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.200 went to the Masters and two thousand and seventeen, And 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.159 where Rory ever again played golf like he did in 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.640 two thousand eleven, two thousand and twelve, So those are 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.920 fabulous questions. And then what the heck is going on 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.720 with Jordan's speeds, So any one of those you can 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.080 spend an hour on. So to take your pick well, 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.280 and and and getting into Dustin for a minute, I mean, 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.279 I want to look at this more than just one week. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.359 Of course, Dustin played fantastic of Mexico and and he 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.440 was he was head over heels better than the next 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.839 guy who was, you know, heads down better than the 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.320 rest of the field. And it was kind of a 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.760 two horse race there at the end. You talk a 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.880 lot about the fade, and you talk about how fading 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.120 the golf ball is the way these guys can manage 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:33.560 the distances. I guess situation now. I mean Phil Nicholson 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.960 famously won his first major championship where you know, he 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:38.640 basically went to the fade and said, I'm not gonna 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.599 worry about turning the ball over anymore than he wins 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.680 at Augustin. Of course, he's had a lot of success there. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.280 Just I want you to expand a little bit on 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.720 what you talk about when you mentioned the drivers of 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.120 the golf ball, the guys like Dustin Johnson who lean 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.120 on the fade and use it as a weapon, which 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.360 I feel like so many times in the past we 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.200 thought you know the guys that bomb that turned the 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.000 ball over and it would roll yards, and that's where 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.839 they got their advantage. Well, you know, look, most people 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.560 will say that a fade is much easier to hit 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.840 in the fairway, and they will pretty much assign all 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:15.239 the advantages that a fade gives one to what happens 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.840 off of the tea. But I would argue that it 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.360 is much more realized up at the green. The typical 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.400 green slopes back to front a fade. First of all, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.320 most of the time it's it's a higher shot. Most 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.840 of the time it's produced by a more upright golf swing, 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.720 so it has a higher apex, so it has a 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.040 steeper landing angle. And because it finishes to the right, 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.920 more times than not, a fade is going to land 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.440 and stop short of pin high and it's going to 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:50.040 finish off to the right. Now that's significant because on 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:54.680 a fall line clock, most of the putts are made 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.680 not only from underneath the whole, but the further right 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.440 you get. So it from six o'clock, if you're dead 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.480 even with the whole, you're gonna make a lot more 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.440 puts than you are from nine o'clock. But if you're 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.880 at five o'clock, you're gonna make a heck of a 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.280 lot more putts then you do at six or seven even, 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.160 and way more exponentially more than you would at nine, 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.119 ten or eleven. So over the course of a week, 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.320 it's a huge advantage. But over the course of the career, 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.360 it's no wonder that Jack Nicholas and Ben Hogan and 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.680 Tiger Woods and Lee Trevino and now Dustin Johnson then 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.520 really scores of players, anybody that can hit the ball 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:35.080 high and fade it has such a huge advantage, and 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.640 it's it's one of the reasons why we consider these 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.559 guys the best putters, because over the course of their 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.439 career they've had far more easier puts than people who 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.920 hit it lower and people who draw it. And that's 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.640 and that's that's the game in a nutshell. Really, are 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.040 you surprised when you see guys go through swing changes 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.679 and they're thinking about flipping that. I mean, these guys 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.400 that are trying to get more distance out of their 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.040 golf swings, maybe trying to maybe maybe spend a little 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.400 bit more too much time looking at statistics, and they're 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.320 trying to turn the ball over when you see those 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.880 types of changes going on maybe in the offseason. Is 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.000 it befuddling to you, Well, it's my it's my argument 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.280 against a lot of instruction that it wants to flatten 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.360 golf swings and it wants to resist with the lower 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.840 body because it just gives you less time. It makes 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:28.000 you less creative, It lowers your trajectories, it takes away 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.559 your power, It takes away your spin even coming into 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.440 shots because you're not as powerful. It takes away your nuance. 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.800 So yeah, I'm I harp against it all the time 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.800 because I think this is where instruction is really missed 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.720 the boat. They've fallen in love with an aesthetic ideal, 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.360 and they've missed the overall point of the game, which 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:48.760 is to hit the ball as high as you can, 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.400 as far as you can, as straight as you can, 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.680 so that when you get up to the green, you've 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:55.640 got a five ft or up the hill for Bertie 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.400 and not a twenty ft down the hill for Bertie. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.160 And and that's that's the whole difference in the game. 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.040 And you know that's the difference. I think that's why 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.920 you know right now, Look, there's there's a lot of 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.720 great instructors who are very knowledgeable, but I think they 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.360 have a permanent blind spot and that they have not 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.800 learned or not played the game at the highest level, 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:21.000 so they don't have the practical experience now. I would 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:25.160 also argue that players that taught the game eons ago 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.040 where nowhere near as knowledgeable about the movements of the body. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.520 Um so kind of what is happening right now is 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.320 that there is coming together of the minds. There is 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.160 I think a better understanding of the movements in the game, 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:43.520 and with the the analytics of how to play the game, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:48.360 guys like Richie Hunt, players are getting and teachers are 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.720 getting a better idea of strategies, and uh, I expect 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.800 teaching to improve. It's already gravitating towards you know, less 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.680 resistance in the lower body, lifting the left heel, and 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:04.720 more upright gosswings and and that's that's important. I thought 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.600 it was necessary. It's one of the reasons I wrote 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.800 my book three years ago, and I think that's very 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.520 important for players to play anywhere near to their potential. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.840 Is there an instructor currently that you would consider? I know, 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.200 we live in a world where we have to say 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.320 something's the best, but is there an instructor you look 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.600 at now and say, this guy is hands down the 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.920 best instructor out there. Yes, Lucas Wald, I think he's 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.959 the best instructor out there. Now people will say you're 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.760 biased because you work with him. Well, I work with 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.920 him because I think he's the best. When I was 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.040 let go hand in hand. Yeah, I you know, nobody 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.520 knows who Lucas wall is. This is you know, it's 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.760 akin to finding and I never when I would read 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.840 those rankings of instructors that make me puke, you know, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.040 like what were you ranking these on? You know pie 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:55.000 in the sky ideas. It's a chrony ism. It's like 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:59.400 there's no real criteria to decide who the best teachers are. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:04.400 Which is which is? Um a glaring oversight. You know, 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.280 the PGA of America is missing a boat hugely here. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:13.479 There's no way they should just randomly and allow others 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:18.040 to decide who their best teachers are. It's just it's ridiculous. Um, 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:22.960 you can in this age find quantifying information to decide 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.560 who the best teachers are. And imagine if you could 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:29.480 find who they really were, who was really having the 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:33.079 best impact on players, the world of golf would get 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.880 so much better instruction, We get so much better, and 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.400 we beat a path to that guy's door, because I 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.640 promise you'd be teaching golf in a much more holistic way. 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.360 But he would also be teaching golf in a correct way. 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:48.160 He'd be right, It wouldn't be all this guesswork which 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:56.640 ends up causing um divisive debate. Um. I was researching 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.960 my book and I read everybody I you know, I 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.640 go online, I look at everybody's videos. I read everything. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.720 I I'm on I'm on the I'm on the computer 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.800 reading people's ideas about the golf swing all day long. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.440 And I found, you know a handful of people who 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.400 I thought really knew the golf swing. Uh. Look, and 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.800 Butch Harmon is certainly one of them, no question about 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.280 Butcher is one of them. And Butch stands head and 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.840 shoulders above most of his peers because he has a 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.440 practical understanding of the game to go with years and 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:35.240 years and years of of experienced teaching. But but but 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:40.280 what I liked about Lucas was he he put case 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:48.040 studies in his teaching. He actually documented progress of of players, 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.600 so you could see one doctor in particular that he 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.000 worked with who went from swinging a hundred three four 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.439 miles an hour thus swinging a hundred twenty miles an hour. 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.400 And when you begin to see all the you know 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.120 he works with this Eddie Fernandez guy and by the 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.760 name of Fast. Eddie's forty eight years old and he's 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.280 picked up ten miles clubhead speak uh and and he 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.920 won last year he won the long drive for his 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:16.000 age group. Um. And I've watched the progress with Eddie, 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.160 and I know what Lucas is capable of. So that's 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.400 how I found Lucas. That's why I work with him. Now, 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.240 there's there's a handful of others that I think a 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.880 terrific and I enjoy their work, but I think Lucas 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.040 is the best. I'm assuming you're probably in the same 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.680 camp as me, considering what you think about instruction. That 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.800 also ranking golf courses maybe doesn't make the most sense. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.800 I love the idea of saying Augusta is better than 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.040 Pine Valley, and you're kind of going, how is this? 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.160 How is this possible to think? And as you mentioned, 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:48.200 to quantify a Cypress point and a National Golf Links 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.720 and somebody say this one's four and this one's five right. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.080 It's like looking at a piece of art and saying, 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.640 you know, that is better than this. It's uh, it's 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.720 personal preference. I mean having said that, I you know, 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.800 I have Tom Doakes books. I read them, I certainly 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:07.320 learned from them. Um, I would agree that there's I 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.080 can't imagine how you could improve upon St Andrews or 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.640 Cyprus point. But to say that one is better than 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.800 the other comes down to a lot of subjectivity. But 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.240 it also makes the game funny. Look if everything were 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:25.440 purely objective, you know, if everything were then there's no debate, right, 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.760 and debate is fun and the subjectivity is fun. Um, 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.280 you know, there's there's there's good and bad with both 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.440 of it. Like I enjoy a lot of what gets 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.000 male players into the Hall of Fame, it's it's it's 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.120 well a lot of subjectivity. And so that's how Freddy 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:46.480 Couples gets in the Hall of Fame. Um is it right? 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.840 I don't know. He certainly was famous and he was 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.120 a hell of a player. Um, but it keeps out 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:57.040 on the ladies tour. It's purely objective and and and 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.040 so they're like, well, there is no debate unless they 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.960 meet these objective too, they don't get in the hall 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.400 of the same. I don't know that either one's ideal, 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.960 but I would rather have a little subjectivity just so 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.640 that we well help. We need something to talk about, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.240 don't we, for sure? And I mean, one thing you 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:16.280 did in this same world a year ago was Dustin 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.040 nearly makes the hole in one Why And you talked 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.400 it up. Uh, you talked it up for days, for 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.840 days on end, and then uh, you know, we did 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.720 kind of something similar in Mexico. I asked people on 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.520 Twitter this week the best golf shot they've ever seen 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.280 in person in the best golf shot they ever saw 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.480 on TV. So I want to ask you the same question, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.240 the best shot you ever saw in person, and then 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.560 the best golf shot you have ever witnessed live on television. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:45.840 Best shot I ever saw him in person was seventeen 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:50.120 Toll shaut a Nougat classic. I got paired with this 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:56.560 rather rather tubby fella who I had never heard of before, um, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.560 who was cutting corners and doing all kinds of crazy things, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.600 and all day long, I kept, you know, I was, 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.960 I was like, who is this guy? Where in the 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.080 hell did he come from? And on the seventeenth totally. 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:15.440 He had two sixty seven to sixty five. As I recall, um, 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.320 you know, I I couldn't have smoked a three wood 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.720 and gotten it there. And he hit a tour and 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.760 that just went, you know, into the stratosphere and came 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.080 down a foot from the home and stopped. And I 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.639 was like, Okay, game changer. This is gonna be the 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.199 greatest golfer who's ever lived. And it was John Daily. Uh. 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.360 I had never heard of him, never seen came from 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:42.280 nowhere and I had I've never seen anything like that. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.560 You know. I played with Tiger a few times and 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:50.200 he had similar shots. But I knew, I knew when Tiger, 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.000 I just saw a Tiger coming, all right, I expected it. 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.960 But I was just absolutely flabbergasted at watch him Daily 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:01.960 do that the greatest shot I've ever seen on TV. Well, gosh, 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.720 I think I've made that pretty clear. I m, you know, 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:09.639 to drive the DJ hit on the twelfth hold at Copplea. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.080 You know, at the time, I said it was the 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.800 greatest shot I've ever seen, you know, And I guess 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.440 it's morphed into the greatest shot. The only reason I 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.600 say it's the greatest shot ever hit is because I'm 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:27.840 I'm using objective criteria to define that. Um, there's certainly 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.719 more important shots that have been struck and the moment 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.920 made them more significant, no question about it. But from 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:40.600 a purely objective criteria, UM. As I recall, the average 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.840 approach shot hit into the twelfth screen that day was 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.439 something like a hundred forty yards. So to see a 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.479 hundred and forty yard disparity between what someone that just 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.360 did and what everybody else had to do. UM, by 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:58.239 the number one player in the world on Sunday on 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:03.359 the back nine, UM for almost a tap in eagle, 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.920 which almost all on one UM was a tap in eagle. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.360 I just thought, I've never seen a better shot than that. So, uh, 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.320 statistically quantified, I've never seen a better shot than that. 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.639 So I've seen I've seen him hit you know, the 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.440 drive he hit on two, UM, what was that on 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:26.280 Saturday at Mexico was was stunning as well, but it 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.800 was nowhere near the drive that he hit on twelve. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.680 Okappela on Sunday, I want to go back to the 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.280 daily story real quick. Was that one of those moments 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.960 where I always say, you know, I played mini tour 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:38.440 golf for a little bit. I played with with a 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.440 guy who who just played really well in the PGA 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.119 Championship last year named Ben Kern, and he short the 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.000 shout the course record one day when we were playing 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:46.480 a playing a practice round and I was going, oh 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.199 my god, this guy is in a different league. Was 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.880 that a call your family moment after? Where you went? 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.640 I don't know who this guy is, but make sure 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.480 you remember the name John Day definitely. You know, I 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:00.879 played with him Thursday Friday. You know, I think he 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:06.280 shut sixty sixty four, maybe sixty sixty six, but he 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.320 was leading after thirty six holes, and I you know, 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.800 went in the locker room. I said, I've just seen 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.320 I've just seen something. I've never never even heard of 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.280 anything like this. I've never I've never seen anybody do 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.400 what he just did. Um. And so you know, when 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:25.080 he won the p g A Championship, everybody else thought 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.800 it was out of the blue. I knew exactly what 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:30.879 was coming. Uh. You know, I didn't know that he 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.639 had so many demons off of the golf course. And 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:38.080 if he you know, if he didn't have those demons, um, 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.840 there's no talents what he would have done. But it's 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:45.360 significantly more than his win total in his two major championships. Yeah, 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.399 when Tiger Woods says, um, if if you, if I 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.560 had your golf game, I wouldn't have to practice, that's 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:52.479 pretty much as good a compliment as you're gonna get. 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.359 That's what he said about daily. I tell this story before. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.760 My buddy was playing a tight Lies Tour event one 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.159 year in my by. He was a great player. I 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.080 mean he was a great collegiate player and had ever 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.199 all the tools outside of the putting to make it 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.879 on tour. And uh, he played with this lefty and 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.240 said he was hitting this goofy cut, you know, forty 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.000 yard cut that went three tin and he had a 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.640