Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Shane Bacon. Got a fun one this week. Brandle Shamble
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Speaker 1: welcome into the clubhouse a man that said, damn it,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do another platform, Randal Shamble, who started the
Speaker 1: Brandle Shambly podcast with one of the best in the business,
Speaker 1: him E D s I think you and I both
Speaker 1: can agree on that it's a podcast. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: out monthly. Your first episode, you guys discussed Tiger versus
Speaker 1: Jack the greatest ever and did you guys come up
Speaker 1: with a definitive answer. What's your definitive Tiger Jack answer, Brandon,
Speaker 1: I'll give you an easy one to start. Well, it's
Speaker 1: it's two questions. So it's who's had the greatest career
Speaker 1: and and that is by far Jack Nicholas. And who's
Speaker 1: had the greatest peak, which is five consecutive peak seasons?
Speaker 1: Jack and Tiger interesting because they've both had two peaks,
Speaker 1: but the best Tiger peak is by far the greatest
Speaker 1: peak in the history of the game. So it depends
Speaker 1: on how you look at it. Who's played the greatest
Speaker 1: golf or who had the greatest career? Jack again, by
Speaker 1: far the greatest career. It's not even close brand by far. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's almost two logical. You know, Brandon, you do such
Speaker 1: an unbelievable job on Golf Channel, one of the lead voices.
Speaker 1: You've really made a career out of, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: i'd say your own research, you know, diving into the
Speaker 1: golf swing and the approach to the game. And I
Speaker 1: think that's why, you know, for for better or worse,
Speaker 1: if you will. I know if people have sometimes said,
Speaker 1: why did he say this? But of course a lot
Speaker 1: of fans love the way you approach it. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's really been what I've loved watching you do on
Speaker 1: the Golf Channel and all kind of all your platforms.
Speaker 1: I want to start out with two thousand nineteen. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been a really I'll say, it's been an interesting season.
Speaker 1: I mean the first quarter is something that we're gonna
Speaker 1: look back on, and I was just gonna ask you
Speaker 1: how will remember it because we have a schedule change
Speaker 1: that we're still kind of understanding, not just as fans,
Speaker 1: but I think as players. We of course have had
Speaker 1: these rule changes that have have come up here and there,
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of controversy off the golf course.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been something that I don't think we're
Speaker 1: used to see it in golf. This many things happen,
Speaker 1: and I think what we've lost is some of the
Speaker 1: results that happened on the golf course. You know, Dustin's
Speaker 1: had a great year. We've seen Rory step it up
Speaker 1: with the short game and really starting to produce these
Speaker 1: results that look like he's gonna have a big season.
Speaker 1: So as you look through this first quarter of two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, maybe in three or four years, what do
Speaker 1: you feel like you'll remember so far from the start
Speaker 1: of the season. Well, we're not hurting for stories, but
Speaker 1: you're like the controversy, you know a European event in
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, was the rules, the way they were written,
Speaker 1: why they were written, What in the heck the USG
Speaker 1: was trying to accomplish? That's certainly controversial. Phil winning is
Speaker 1: is quite something. But more than Phil winning, the fact
Speaker 1: that he's, at forty eight years of age, been able
Speaker 1: to add upwards of seven miles in our club head
Speaker 1: spat over the last two years. Is is one of
Speaker 1: the great I think mysteries and accomplishments that I've ever
Speaker 1: watched or had the opportunity to sort of dive into.
Speaker 1: And then of course there's Tiger Woods. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: what's what's he gonna do for an encore? Dustin Johnson?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna get back to the player he was
Speaker 1: when he won three times in a row before he
Speaker 1: went to the Masters and two thousand and seventeen, And
Speaker 1: where Rory ever again played golf like he did in
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, two thousand and twelve, So those are
Speaker 1: fabulous questions. And then what the heck is going on
Speaker 1: with Jordan's speeds, So any one of those you can
Speaker 1: spend an hour on. So to take your pick well,
Speaker 1: and and and getting into Dustin for a minute, I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to look at this more than just one week.
Speaker 1: Of course, Dustin played fantastic of Mexico and and he
Speaker 1: was he was head over heels better than the next
Speaker 1: guy who was, you know, heads down better than the
Speaker 1: rest of the field. And it was kind of a
Speaker 1: two horse race there at the end. You talk a
Speaker 1: lot about the fade, and you talk about how fading
Speaker 1: the golf ball is the way these guys can manage
Speaker 1: the distances. I guess situation now. I mean Phil Nicholson
Speaker 1: famously won his first major championship where you know, he
Speaker 1: basically went to the fade and said, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: worry about turning the ball over anymore than he wins
Speaker 1: at Augustin. Of course, he's had a lot of success there.
Speaker 1: Just I want you to expand a little bit on
Speaker 1: what you talk about when you mentioned the drivers of
Speaker 1: the golf ball, the guys like Dustin Johnson who lean
Speaker 1: on the fade and use it as a weapon, which
Speaker 1: I feel like so many times in the past we
Speaker 1: thought you know the guys that bomb that turned the
Speaker 1: ball over and it would roll yards, and that's where
Speaker 1: they got their advantage. Well, you know, look, most people
Speaker 1: will say that a fade is much easier to hit
Speaker 1: in the fairway, and they will pretty much assign all
Speaker 1: the advantages that a fade gives one to what happens
Speaker 1: off of the tea. But I would argue that it
Speaker 1: is much more realized up at the green. The typical
Speaker 1: green slopes back to front a fade. First of all,
Speaker 1: most of the time it's it's a higher shot. Most
Speaker 1: of the time it's produced by a more upright golf swing,
Speaker 1: so it has a higher apex, so it has a
Speaker 1: steeper landing angle. And because it finishes to the right,
Speaker 1: more times than not, a fade is going to land
Speaker 1: and stop short of pin high and it's going to
Speaker 1: finish off to the right. Now that's significant because on
Speaker 1: a fall line clock, most of the putts are made
Speaker 1: not only from underneath the whole, but the further right
Speaker 1: you get. So it from six o'clock, if you're dead
Speaker 1: even with the whole, you're gonna make a lot more
Speaker 1: puts than you are from nine o'clock. But if you're
Speaker 1: at five o'clock, you're gonna make a heck of a
Speaker 1: lot more putts then you do at six or seven even,
Speaker 1: and way more exponentially more than you would at nine,
Speaker 1: ten or eleven. So over the course of a week,
Speaker 1: it's a huge advantage. But over the course of the career,
Speaker 1: it's no wonder that Jack Nicholas and Ben Hogan and
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods and Lee Trevino and now Dustin Johnson then
Speaker 1: really scores of players, anybody that can hit the ball
Speaker 1: high and fade it has such a huge advantage, and
Speaker 1: it's it's one of the reasons why we consider these
Speaker 1: guys the best putters, because over the course of their
Speaker 1: career they've had far more easier puts than people who
Speaker 1: hit it lower and people who draw it. And that's
Speaker 1: and that's that's the game in a nutshell. Really, are
Speaker 1: you surprised when you see guys go through swing changes
Speaker 1: and they're thinking about flipping that. I mean, these guys
Speaker 1: that are trying to get more distance out of their
Speaker 1: golf swings, maybe trying to maybe maybe spend a little
Speaker 1: bit more too much time looking at statistics, and they're
Speaker 1: trying to turn the ball over when you see those
Speaker 1: types of changes going on maybe in the offseason. Is
Speaker 1: it befuddling to you, Well, it's my it's my argument
Speaker 1: against a lot of instruction that it wants to flatten
Speaker 1: golf swings and it wants to resist with the lower
Speaker 1: body because it just gives you less time. It makes
Speaker 1: you less creative, It lowers your trajectories, it takes away
Speaker 1: your power, It takes away your spin even coming into
Speaker 1: shots because you're not as powerful. It takes away your nuance.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I harp against it all the time
Speaker 1: because I think this is where instruction is really missed
Speaker 1: the boat. They've fallen in love with an aesthetic ideal,
Speaker 1: and they've missed the overall point of the game, which
Speaker 1: is to hit the ball as high as you can,
Speaker 1: as far as you can, as straight as you can,
Speaker 1: so that when you get up to the green, you've
Speaker 1: got a five ft or up the hill for Bertie
Speaker 1: and not a twenty ft down the hill for Bertie.
Speaker 1: And and that's that's the whole difference in the game.
Speaker 1: And you know that's the difference. I think that's why
Speaker 1: you know right now, Look, there's there's a lot of
Speaker 1: great instructors who are very knowledgeable, but I think they
Speaker 1: have a permanent blind spot and that they have not
Speaker 1: learned or not played the game at the highest level,
Speaker 1: so they don't have the practical experience now. I would
Speaker 1: also argue that players that taught the game eons ago
Speaker 1: where nowhere near as knowledgeable about the movements of the body.
Speaker 1: Um so kind of what is happening right now is
Speaker 1: that there is coming together of the minds. There is
Speaker 1: I think a better understanding of the movements in the game,
Speaker 1: and with the the analytics of how to play the game,
Speaker 1: guys like Richie Hunt, players are getting and teachers are
Speaker 1: getting a better idea of strategies, and uh, I expect
Speaker 1: teaching to improve. It's already gravitating towards you know, less
Speaker 1: resistance in the lower body, lifting the left heel, and
Speaker 1: more upright gosswings and and that's that's important. I thought
Speaker 1: it was necessary. It's one of the reasons I wrote
Speaker 1: my book three years ago, and I think that's very
Speaker 1: important for players to play anywhere near to their potential.
Speaker 1: Is there an instructor currently that you would consider? I know,
Speaker 1: we live in a world where we have to say
Speaker 1: something's the best, but is there an instructor you look
Speaker 1: at now and say, this guy is hands down the
Speaker 1: best instructor out there. Yes, Lucas Wald, I think he's
Speaker 1: the best instructor out there. Now people will say you're
Speaker 1: biased because you work with him. Well, I work with
Speaker 1: him because I think he's the best. When I was
Speaker 1: let go hand in hand. Yeah, I you know, nobody
Speaker 1: knows who Lucas wall is. This is you know, it's
Speaker 1: akin to finding and I never when I would read
Speaker 1: those rankings of instructors that make me puke, you know,
Speaker 1: like what were you ranking these on? You know pie
Speaker 1: in the sky ideas. It's a chrony ism. It's like
Speaker 1: there's no real criteria to decide who the best teachers are.
Speaker 1: Which is which is? Um a glaring oversight. You know,
Speaker 1: the PGA of America is missing a boat hugely here.
Speaker 1: There's no way they should just randomly and allow others
Speaker 1: to decide who their best teachers are. It's just it's ridiculous. Um,
Speaker 1: you can in this age find quantifying information to decide
Speaker 1: who the best teachers are. And imagine if you could
Speaker 1: find who they really were, who was really having the
Speaker 1: best impact on players, the world of golf would get
Speaker 1: so much better instruction, We get so much better, and
Speaker 1: we beat a path to that guy's door, because I
Speaker 1: promise you'd be teaching golf in a much more holistic way.
Speaker 1: But he would also be teaching golf in a correct way.
Speaker 1: He'd be right, It wouldn't be all this guesswork which
Speaker 1: ends up causing um divisive debate. Um. I was researching
Speaker 1: my book and I read everybody I you know, I
Speaker 1: go online, I look at everybody's videos. I read everything.
Speaker 1: I I'm on I'm on the I'm on the computer
Speaker 1: reading people's ideas about the golf swing all day long.
Speaker 1: And I found, you know a handful of people who
Speaker 1: I thought really knew the golf swing. Uh. Look, and
Speaker 1: Butch Harmon is certainly one of them, no question about
Speaker 1: Butcher is one of them. And Butch stands head and
Speaker 1: shoulders above most of his peers because he has a
Speaker 1: practical understanding of the game to go with years and
Speaker 1: years and years of of experienced teaching. But but but
Speaker 1: what I liked about Lucas was he he put case
Speaker 1: studies in his teaching. He actually documented progress of of players,
Speaker 1: so you could see one doctor in particular that he
Speaker 1: worked with who went from swinging a hundred three four
Speaker 1: miles an hour thus swinging a hundred twenty miles an hour.
Speaker 1: And when you begin to see all the you know
Speaker 1: he works with this Eddie Fernandez guy and by the
Speaker 1: name of Fast. Eddie's forty eight years old and he's
Speaker 1: picked up ten miles clubhead speak uh and and he
Speaker 1: won last year he won the long drive for his
Speaker 1: age group. Um. And I've watched the progress with Eddie,
Speaker 1: and I know what Lucas is capable of. So that's
Speaker 1: how I found Lucas. That's why I work with him. Now,
Speaker 1: there's there's a handful of others that I think a
Speaker 1: terrific and I enjoy their work, but I think Lucas
Speaker 1: is the best. I'm assuming you're probably in the same
Speaker 1: camp as me, considering what you think about instruction. That
Speaker 1: also ranking golf courses maybe doesn't make the most sense.
Speaker 1: I love the idea of saying Augusta is better than
Speaker 1: Pine Valley, and you're kind of going, how is this?
Speaker 1: How is this possible to think? And as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: to quantify a Cypress point and a National Golf Links
Speaker 1: and somebody say this one's four and this one's five right.
Speaker 1: It's like looking at a piece of art and saying,
Speaker 1: you know, that is better than this. It's uh, it's
Speaker 1: personal preference. I mean having said that, I you know,
Speaker 1: I have Tom Doakes books. I read them, I certainly
Speaker 1: learned from them. Um, I would agree that there's I
Speaker 1: can't imagine how you could improve upon St Andrews or
Speaker 1: Cyprus point. But to say that one is better than
Speaker 1: the other comes down to a lot of subjectivity. But
Speaker 1: it also makes the game funny. Look if everything were
Speaker 1: purely objective, you know, if everything were then there's no debate, right,
Speaker 1: and debate is fun and the subjectivity is fun. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's there's good and bad with both
Speaker 1: of it. Like I enjoy a lot of what gets
Speaker 1: male players into the Hall of Fame, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: well a lot of subjectivity. And so that's how Freddy
Speaker 1: Couples gets in the Hall of Fame. Um is it right?
Speaker 1: I don't know. He certainly was famous and he was
Speaker 1: a hell of a player. Um, but it keeps out
Speaker 1: on the ladies tour. It's purely objective and and and
Speaker 1: so they're like, well, there is no debate unless they
Speaker 1: meet these objective too, they don't get in the hall
Speaker 1: of the same. I don't know that either one's ideal,
Speaker 1: but I would rather have a little subjectivity just so
Speaker 1: that we well help. We need something to talk about,
Speaker 1: don't we, for sure? And I mean, one thing you
Speaker 1: did in this same world a year ago was Dustin
Speaker 1: nearly makes the hole in one Why And you talked
Speaker 1: it up. Uh, you talked it up for days, for
Speaker 1: days on end, and then uh, you know, we did
Speaker 1: kind of something similar in Mexico. I asked people on
Speaker 1: Twitter this week the best golf shot they've ever seen
Speaker 1: in person in the best golf shot they ever saw
Speaker 1: on TV. So I want to ask you the same question,
Speaker 1: the best shot you ever saw in person, and then
Speaker 1: the best golf shot you have ever witnessed live on television.
Speaker 1: Best shot I ever saw him in person was seventeen
Speaker 1: Toll shaut a Nougat classic. I got paired with this
Speaker 1: rather rather tubby fella who I had never heard of before, um,
Speaker 1: who was cutting corners and doing all kinds of crazy things,
Speaker 1: and all day long, I kept, you know, I was,
Speaker 1: I was like, who is this guy? Where in the
Speaker 1: hell did he come from? And on the seventeenth totally.
Speaker 1: He had two sixty seven to sixty five. As I recall, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I I couldn't have smoked a three wood
Speaker 1: and gotten it there. And he hit a tour and
Speaker 1: that just went, you know, into the stratosphere and came
Speaker 1: down a foot from the home and stopped. And I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, game changer. This is gonna be the
Speaker 1: greatest golfer who's ever lived. And it was John Daily. Uh.
Speaker 1: I had never heard of him, never seen came from
Speaker 1: nowhere and I had I've never seen anything like that.
Speaker 1: You know. I played with Tiger a few times and
Speaker 1: he had similar shots. But I knew, I knew when Tiger,
Speaker 1: I just saw a Tiger coming, all right, I expected it.
Speaker 1: But I was just absolutely flabbergasted at watch him Daily
Speaker 1: do that the greatest shot I've ever seen on TV. Well, gosh,
Speaker 1: I think I've made that pretty clear. I m, you know,
Speaker 1: to drive the DJ hit on the twelfth hold at Copplea.
Speaker 1: You know, at the time, I said it was the
Speaker 1: greatest shot I've ever seen, you know, And I guess
Speaker 1: it's morphed into the greatest shot. The only reason I
Speaker 1: say it's the greatest shot ever hit is because I'm
Speaker 1: I'm using objective criteria to define that. Um, there's certainly
Speaker 1: more important shots that have been struck and the moment
Speaker 1: made them more significant, no question about it. But from
Speaker 1: a purely objective criteria, UM. As I recall, the average
Speaker 1: approach shot hit into the twelfth screen that day was
Speaker 1: something like a hundred forty yards. So to see a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty yard disparity between what someone that just
Speaker 1: did and what everybody else had to do. UM, by
Speaker 1: the number one player in the world on Sunday on
Speaker 1: the back nine, UM for almost a tap in eagle,
Speaker 1: which almost all on one UM was a tap in eagle.
Speaker 1: I just thought, I've never seen a better shot than that. So, uh,
Speaker 1: statistically quantified, I've never seen a better shot than that.
Speaker 1: So I've seen I've seen him hit you know, the
Speaker 1: drive he hit on two, UM, what was that on
Speaker 1: Saturday at Mexico was was stunning as well, but it
Speaker 1: was nowhere near the drive that he hit on twelve.
Speaker 1: Okappela on Sunday, I want to go back to the
Speaker 1: daily story real quick. Was that one of those moments
Speaker 1: where I always say, you know, I played mini tour
Speaker 1: golf for a little bit. I played with with a
Speaker 1: guy who who just played really well in the PGA
Speaker 1: Championship last year named Ben Kern, and he short the
Speaker 1: shout the course record one day when we were playing
Speaker 1: a playing a practice round and I was going, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this guy is in a different league. Was
Speaker 1: that a call your family moment after? Where you went?
Speaker 1: I don't know who this guy is, but make sure
Speaker 1: you remember the name John Day definitely. You know, I
Speaker 1: played with him Thursday Friday. You know, I think he
Speaker 1: shut sixty sixty four, maybe sixty sixty six, but he
Speaker 1: was leading after thirty six holes, and I you know,
Speaker 1: went in the locker room. I said, I've just seen
Speaker 1: I've just seen something. I've never never even heard of
Speaker 1: anything like this. I've never I've never seen anybody do
Speaker 1: what he just did. Um. And so you know, when
Speaker 1: he won the p g A Championship, everybody else thought
Speaker 1: it was out of the blue. I knew exactly what
Speaker 1: was coming. Uh. You know, I didn't know that he
Speaker 1: had so many demons off of the golf course. And
Speaker 1: if he you know, if he didn't have those demons, um,
Speaker 1: there's no talents what he would have done. But it's
Speaker 1: significantly more than his win total in his two major championships. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when Tiger Woods says, um, if if you, if I
Speaker 1: had your golf game, I wouldn't have to practice, that's
Speaker 1: pretty much as good a compliment as you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: That's what he said about daily. I tell this story before.
Speaker 1: My buddy was playing a tight Lies Tour event one
Speaker 1: year in my by. He was a great player. I
Speaker 1: mean he was a great collegiate player and had ever
Speaker 1: all the tools outside of the putting to make it
Speaker 1: on tour. And uh, he played with this lefty and
Speaker 1: said he was hitting this goofy cut, you know, forty
Speaker 1: yard cut that went three tin and he had a
Speaker 1: pink shafted driver. And he called his dad after and said,
Speaker 1: remember Bubba Watson. He said, just remember that name. That's
Speaker 1: all you gotta do. And and sure enough, you know
Speaker 1: that's that's what's happened. So it's it's definitely there's been
Speaker 1: steps in this world through professional golf ranks where you go, oh,
Speaker 1: all right, well that guy is probably gonna make it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you on the tour now, is
Speaker 1: this the most talented the tour has ever been? Or
Speaker 1: is this the most knowledgeable players have ever been about
Speaker 1: their own specific games. Well, this is uh, the youngest
Speaker 1: and best the tour has ever been. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I I absolutely believe in the sabor metrics of a
Speaker 1: fellow who recently put a book out called The Whole Truth.
Speaker 1: And you know, he's able to quantify by using standard
Speaker 1: deviation and uh peak years of players going all the
Speaker 1: way back to the professional golf in eighteen sixty and
Speaker 1: and the the average peak of players right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they maybe they exceed their play right now,
Speaker 1: but that is very rare that anybody would. But the
Speaker 1: average peak age right now is over the last nine
Speaker 1: years has been twenty five years of age UM. It
Speaker 1: was upwards of thirty years ago, thirty four years of
Speaker 1: age UM. And and typically in golf it's it's been
Speaker 1: you know, thirty to thirty four years of age and
Speaker 1: now it's it's drastically, it's almost a decade different. So
Speaker 1: we have younger stars, and I you know, I think
Speaker 1: you could argue that it's because the game is primarily
Speaker 1: about power and powers. A young man's game and experience
Speaker 1: matters less less when it becomes more about power. Um,
Speaker 1: do they know more about their golf swings. Um, I
Speaker 1: think I think it's a very m it's a somewhat yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it is. They should know more about their
Speaker 1: goss wings. But they relye on teachers, UM a lot.
Speaker 1: You know they and I guess you know they can
Speaker 1: afford it. They and being on the tours lonely, so
Speaker 1: they hire a posse and they all come out with
Speaker 1: them and it makes the tour less lonely, I said,
Speaker 1: more enjoyable. And I get it. If I if I
Speaker 1: was making ten million dollars of your playing golf, I'd
Speaker 1: probably have my instructor out there all the time too.
Speaker 1: I probably would, Um, but I don't know that that's
Speaker 1: best for you. There are a lot of disappeared one
Speaker 1: of the reasons, I'd argue, And even if Bill Felber
Speaker 1: were here, the man who put the saber metrics out,
Speaker 1: I would also argue that the reason there's unprecedented a
Speaker 1: youthful accomplishment in the game right now is because there
Speaker 1: are major disappearing acts for middle aged golfers. M I
Speaker 1: said this the other night on the show. You know,
Speaker 1: if it's not disappearing, it's it's a decay. But you
Speaker 1: know where's Anthony Camp, Hunter May and Nick Wattney, Michelle
Speaker 1: we Yanni fan Lydia co Um. You know there is
Speaker 1: numerous players thirty five, Luke Donald, I mean, just on
Speaker 1: and on. It goes that that they just, instead of
Speaker 1: continuing on in this trajectory, have just disappeared. And it's
Speaker 1: because I would argue of an over indulgence of instruction.
Speaker 1: Uh And I you know, if it's if if if
Speaker 1: you've got people around all the time, and those people
Speaker 1: are always learning and going to new theories, and the
Speaker 1: problem is is that, Look, I've been to these classes
Speaker 1: that they go to, and the theories are not completely
Speaker 1: flushed out right there in the embriodic stages. And you
Speaker 1: go and and they listen and they hear, and they
Speaker 1: remind me of like young Christians, you know, who are
Speaker 1: just ready to go out and save the world. And
Speaker 1: they haven't and they haven't been checked, you know, by modernity.
Speaker 1: And and some of these teachers haven't been checked by
Speaker 1: by a practical knowledge of of of understanding the game
Speaker 1: and playing the game. And they pass that information onto
Speaker 1: these players and it impoverishes them and before you know it,
Speaker 1: they're gone. And so who's left it's not wisdom, it's
Speaker 1: not experienced, it's just youth. Um. So you know there
Speaker 1: is um. You know, I'd say the tour is more
Speaker 1: dangerous now than it's ever been before. The driving range
Speaker 1: is more dangerous now than it's ever been. I think
Speaker 1: that's the most dangerous spot on the PGA tour. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, it might as well be filled with lions
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Speaker 1: to Brandon, Yeah, it's it's you. You brought up Butch
Speaker 1: Harmon And one of the things I loved the story
Speaker 1: he had in the Latest Golf I just about Sevy
Speaker 1: and Sevy was getting all technical and uh, he basically
Speaker 1: said he wouldn't stood, you know, twenty feet in front
Speaker 1: of Sevey and said hit cuts and draws around me,
Speaker 1: you know. And he goes, no, Butch, I'm gonna hit you.
Speaker 1: And he goes, no, no no, no, hit a cut around
Speaker 1: me right now. And he did it because it was,
Speaker 1: of course, that was his talent. He let his talent
Speaker 1: play through. And one thing I find so interesting about golf,
Speaker 1: especially the current landscape of professional golf, is golfers forget
Speaker 1: that there are times where you're gonna go in a slump.
Speaker 1: That's just the game that we play. It's like if
Speaker 1: they have a month of bad play, they're gonna change clubs.
Speaker 1: They're gonna change putter, they might change caddy, they're gonna
Speaker 1: change instructor, they're gonna try to do something different instead
Speaker 1: of just reminding themselves that at some point, if you're
Speaker 1: in a massively talented player, you'll probably get it back.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think that's the good thing we're
Speaker 1: seeing with Rory this year is Rory actually changed good
Speaker 1: stuff in his life. I mean, he changed schedule and
Speaker 1: he knew he was gonna get backlash for it, and
Speaker 1: he's basically playing events that he hasn't played before, maybe
Speaker 1: to get a little bit of a fresh start. And
Speaker 1: we're seeing a Rory that's playing golf like we saw
Speaker 1: Rory play to at least to to to the B
Speaker 1: plus a minus level when he was the most dominant
Speaker 1: player in the world. And uh, And I do find
Speaker 1: it interesting that it does seem like if it's three
Speaker 1: or four weeks of bad golf, I gotta fix something
Speaker 1: right now. That didn't seem to be the case, you know,
Speaker 1: when you were out there playing guys. I feel like,
Speaker 1: for the most part, understood that it'll it'll change. At
Speaker 1: some point, something's gonna flip and and I'll get it going.
Speaker 1: That's good point, really good point. You know. It's players
Speaker 1: are you know, look, if you have a negative thought,
Speaker 1: it's terrible. It's like no, no, that's not terrible. Negative
Speaker 1: thoughts are normal. Um, They're absolutely normal. They come and
Speaker 1: they go. Um. Obsessing over them is abnormal and wrong. Um,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's you know, just let it go.
Speaker 1: You know, it'll it'll, it'll take care of itself. It'll
Speaker 1: it'll just evaporate on its own. But if you obsess
Speaker 1: about it and then it's it's it's less likely to evaporate. Here,
Speaker 1: you're not you're not being you're not being zen. Um
Speaker 1: to get a little eastern on you. But but but yeah,
Speaker 1: as it relates to golf swings, I do think that
Speaker 1: there is a um, a hyper reaction. You know, there
Speaker 1: are helicopter teachers everywhere on the range. They're helicopters and
Speaker 1: their their hovering and I get it, you know, there's
Speaker 1: they've got a lot to gain from success, um and
Speaker 1: not much to lose. The tour players have everything to lose. Um,
Speaker 1: so you know, and it's it's it's much harder to
Speaker 1: work things out on your own when you're used to
Speaker 1: just turn in and go and what what did I
Speaker 1: do there? Um? You know, so you know, look, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not like I'm saying the good old days
Speaker 1: were better. I'm just saying that the golf swings were better.
Speaker 1: You were pretty critical about you're pretty critical about Tiger
Speaker 1: last week with his approach to the golf course, and
Speaker 1: I agreed with you. I I felt a little like
Speaker 1: we were watching what a lot of us thought we
Speaker 1: might see with Tiger when he made this latest comeback
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, where uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the driver had always been as Achilles heel and maybe
Speaker 1: he'll just lean on long irons and just get the
Speaker 1: ball and play and and hope that his amazing iron
Speaker 1: play will will kind of save him. Um, that was
Speaker 1: a little of what we saw last week. And were
Speaker 1: you surprised? Was the most surprising part that there wasn't
Speaker 1: a flip at one point? You know, your six seven,
Speaker 1: eight shots back going, I better start beating driver, because
Speaker 1: who cares if I finished? At least my take on
Speaker 1: it was a tiger, was spoiled by the success that
Speaker 1: he had in a generation that was nowhere near as
Speaker 1: complete as this one. You know, when he hit iron
Speaker 1: off of the tea and one at hoy Lake. Um
Speaker 1: the players that finished closest to him where DeMarco El's
Speaker 1: fury can guarcie it, And none of them we're even
Speaker 1: close two complete players, They were nowhere near the driver's
Speaker 1: the golf ball that Dustin Johnson and Rory McElroy are.
Speaker 1: From the beginning of the strokes gained era two thousand
Speaker 1: and four to two thousand and eleven, the average leader
Speaker 1: of strokes gained off of the tea gained point eight
Speaker 1: seven six five strokes around. Okay, the average leader. Since
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve, the average leader has gained one
Speaker 1: point one seven strokes per round. You're talking about thirty better,
Speaker 1: thirty a third more strokes gained with the driver. Now,
Speaker 1: those that these drivers that I'm talking about, they're also
Speaker 1: phenomenal iron players, and they're better putters. Garcia was not
Speaker 1: a good player good putter. Excuse me, he's a great player.
Speaker 1: He's not a good putter. Okay Umi wasn't a great
Speaker 1: driver of the golf ball. Els wasn't necessarily a great
Speaker 1: drive over the golf ball. He had a fabulous short game,
Speaker 1: and but from time to time, and he wasn't a
Speaker 1: great potter, certainly wasn't a two thousand six DeMarco, wasn't
Speaker 1: a great driver the golf ball. But Tiger could beat
Speaker 1: them because they were not complete players. In this era,
Speaker 1: the players are complete. Dustin Johnson is a fabulous putter.
Speaker 1: M Rory is miles better driver than anybody that Tiger
Speaker 1: would have faced, miles better. Uh, And he has the
Speaker 1: potential to be a miles better iron player. And he's
Speaker 1: putting better now than he ever has. So when you
Speaker 1: start to consider who Tiger is playing, he cannot. One,
Speaker 1: he's older than he was in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: He can't play an iron game against this group of
Speaker 1: players and expect to succeed. Uh. And the fact that
Speaker 1: he was hitting irons off all these holes one it
Speaker 1: told me two things that he had no confidence in
Speaker 1: his driver, which is fair enough, right, if he had
Speaker 1: absolutely no confidence in your drive, why hit it? Okay?
Speaker 1: Because it's a very tight golf course. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: So I tried to get my arms around that. But
Speaker 1: I thought now, it looked to me like a genesis.
Speaker 1: He drove the ball beautiful. Um, you know, he hit
Speaker 1: marvelous drives. It's like, I don't know where the lack
Speaker 1: of confidence would have come from. It seemed to me
Speaker 1: he had every reason to have a decent amount of
Speaker 1: confidence and his driver. The golf course was extremely tight,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I in my mind, why else
Speaker 1: would he be hitting an iron unless he thought he
Speaker 1: gave him his best chance to win. But there's just
Speaker 1: my point was, he's got no chance to win because
Speaker 1: the people of top Dustin Johnson and Roy McElroy can
Speaker 1: drive the ball miles better than Tiger ever drove it,
Speaker 1: by the way, and miles better than anybody that Tiger
Speaker 1: would have ever faced in his generation ever drove it.
Speaker 1: So he had no chance to win. Zero, absolutely zero.
Speaker 1: And people said, well, he still led the field and
Speaker 1: strokes gained approached, so his strategy works. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: guys have completely lost your minds if you think he
Speaker 1: hit his irons anywhere near as good from two hundred
Speaker 1: yards out as he would from a hundred yards out,
Speaker 1: if he's the greatest, if he was the best iron
Speaker 1: player there that week, I just imagine how good he
Speaker 1: would have been from a hundred yards out, which is
Speaker 1: where Dustin and Rory were. Perhaps Tiger would have been
Speaker 1: able to overcome a poor putting week for him. But
Speaker 1: and again people are like, well, it was his putty,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, no, his driving was worse than
Speaker 1: his putty. So, you know, and I'm saying this, and
Speaker 1: Tiger finished him. Look, he's playing great. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: good to see. But his stated goals of beating Jack
Speaker 1: or winning more majors or you know there, it's it's
Speaker 1: important to sort of put into context the the struggles
Speaker 1: that Tiger is going to have to beat the game's
Speaker 1: best players. Right now. Um, you know, right now, from
Speaker 1: what I've seen, he can't get to number one in
Speaker 1: the world because I don't you know, Rory looks like
Speaker 1: he's trending in a great spot. And I don't see
Speaker 1: Dustin going anywhere but by getting a lock on number one.
Speaker 1: And and you know, if he if he wears some
Speaker 1: sticky socks in Augusta so that he can get down
Speaker 1: the socks then or get down the stairs, good grip
Speaker 1: on the bottom. For goodness, snakes, they gotta make one
Speaker 1: of those the yoga socks. Yea yoga. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I with you. Get a sponsorship, you can put that
Speaker 1: on the other sleeve of his shirt. I'm down for it.
Speaker 1: Let's let's make sure he is healthy. I mean, what's
Speaker 1: what's interesting about your point? You bring up with Tiger
Speaker 1: and driving the golf ball, and I go back to
Speaker 1: what I was saying, is I believed this was a
Speaker 1: little of what we were gonna see with Tiger because
Speaker 1: he was struggling so much off the tea the last
Speaker 1: time we saw him out before he took a break.
Speaker 1: Why would you go play? And I know it's a
Speaker 1: w g C event, I know there's no cut, and
Speaker 1: I know it's important for all of the reasons that
Speaker 1: these guys care about that. I don't think the general
Speaker 1: public really cares about world ranking points and and in
Speaker 1: the early season FedEx stuff. Why would you go play
Speaker 1: a golf course like this knowing that if you're not
Speaker 1: confident with the driver and you're not going to hit
Speaker 1: driver everywhere like some of these other guys are, you
Speaker 1: really don't have a chance to win. And that's been
Speaker 1: a stated goal's entire career. Well, that's a good question. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I look at what he did at the
Speaker 1: Tour Championship and I think, I don't know what he
Speaker 1: did at the Ryder Cup. I don't know where that
Speaker 1: came from. I don't know about the Tiger Phil fiasco
Speaker 1: um and a hero you know who knows. All I
Speaker 1: know is he drove the ass out of it at
Speaker 1: the Tour Championship. I mean, he absolutely Uh it was.
Speaker 1: It was just about as good as I've seen him
Speaker 1: drive it in fifteen years. So I thought that that's
Speaker 1: that's that's the game that I would see. Wasn't quite
Speaker 1: there at Farmers it was. It was he drove the
Speaker 1: ball nicely at the Genesis. Uh, he didn't drive it great.
Speaker 1: It wasn't at the top of the food chain. It
Speaker 1: wasn't Bubba Watson or Dustin Johnson Rory, but it was
Speaker 1: it was. It was good enough for him considering how
Speaker 1: good his iron play is. And from a scheduling standpoint,
Speaker 1: you want to play. I would imagine you'd want to
Speaker 1: play two weeks in a row, because that's how you
Speaker 1: can really test how good your game is. You know,
Speaker 1: you've you've practiced for a while, you get there the
Speaker 1: first week, you you get out of practice mode into playmode,
Speaker 1: and by the second week you're fully into playmode. Um.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense to play two weeks in a row.
Speaker 1: If he did skipped Mexico, that means he'd had what
Speaker 1: two weeks off before he goes to because there's no
Speaker 1: way he was gonna play Honda and then go play
Speaker 1: bay Hill and the players he wint to play three
Speaker 1: in a row in the run up. Um. So you know,
Speaker 1: it made sense from a strategy standpoint, It made sense
Speaker 1: from a scheduling standpoint. But you're right, it wasn't the
Speaker 1: best golf course for him, um, given his reluctance to
Speaker 1: hit driver. Um. You know, I mean you did think that.
Speaker 1: You'd think though he could look at that event. Statistically
Speaker 1: it's been one out of the rough. The first year
Speaker 1: of Dustin Johnson, you know, wasn't particularly straight. Phil Mickelson
Speaker 1: wasn't straight. Um, And you'd have thought he would have
Speaker 1: been more aggressive, just based upon you know what the
Speaker 1: stats have said. The golf course allowed not exactly the
Speaker 1: start you want. Though, if you're Tiger the first swing
Speaker 1: of the of the week and hit out of bounds,
Speaker 1: maybe you get it. Maybe those demons even are hard
Speaker 1: to leave the greatest, maybe the most dominant player of all.
Speaker 1: And that's a that's a tough start. That is a
Speaker 1: tough start, you know, I uh, you know, I think
Speaker 1: he caught Tiger golf guard. I mean, I don't even
Speaker 1: know if he knew there was o b over there,
Speaker 1: because you know, it was like he'd probably played practice
Speaker 1: around and just zipped it right up there around the raene,
Speaker 1: and you know it wouldn't have thought the shot was
Speaker 1: very hard. It was a bizarre though, the the introduction
Speaker 1: that Tiger got. Um, look, I'm I'm I'm I'm giving
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods a past because I feel like the introduction
Speaker 1: that he got were so off putting. It was so
Speaker 1: off putting, the announcer screaming Tiger, Tiger, Tiger wool. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like Tiger laugh right. It was funny. I'll
Speaker 1: give the announce to that. It was clearly funny. The
Speaker 1: guy knew what he's doing, He had great boys. It
Speaker 1: was fun to listen to. But it didn't quite work
Speaker 1: out because Tiger laughed. Everybody laughed. Never seen Tiger quite
Speaker 1: like that, maybe other than the masks or the Tour
Speaker 1: championship where Phil said, alright, alright, alright, I was trying
Speaker 1: to think when you said that. I would love to
Speaker 1: remember and I can't remember. I would love to know
Speaker 1: where Tiger hit that t shot when Phil stopped the
Speaker 1: announcer as he was as he was going through Tigers
Speaker 1: yearly after, Well, I can dig it up pretty quickly. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I I can find it pretty darning quickly.
Speaker 1: That was the Tour Championship. I think it was. I'll
Speaker 1: find that. I'll get back to you. But but you know,
Speaker 1: his golf swing was so much better than um, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we've all lowered the bar. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's Tiger Woods, and we're happy to see him playing.
Speaker 1: But you know, I know Tiger wants to swing the
Speaker 1: club like he did. Well, okay, he's not gonna swing
Speaker 1: it as fast, but he's still pretty close. But he's
Speaker 1: still he doesn't swing the club anywhere near like he
Speaker 1: used to. You know, he's still he just hangs left
Speaker 1: and he slides and it's just nowhere near as good.
Speaker 1: It's a good iron swing, but when you want to
Speaker 1: a driver, man, you gotta get behind the ball. You
Speaker 1: gotta give yourself room to move into it. Well, the
Speaker 1: thing is, he doesn't ever get behind it and his
Speaker 1: back swing with a driver or three wood or five wood,
Speaker 1: and so he when he slides into it, the club
Speaker 1: drops under and he's got a flip, and that leads
Speaker 1: to all kinds of you go, look at the disparity
Speaker 1: between his strokes gain off of the tea and his
Speaker 1: strokes gain approach. And I don't know how it hasn't
Speaker 1: occurred to him that it's like, Okay, the move I
Speaker 1: have with my driver does not work. What do I
Speaker 1: need to do? And all he needs to do is
Speaker 1: move off of the ball, get behind it so that
Speaker 1: he can move into it without being past it, so
Speaker 1: that he can he can move into it and rotate.
Speaker 1: Now he moves past it, and he stalls, and it
Speaker 1: leads to all kinds of chaos. And you know, for
Speaker 1: the life of me, I don't know why he doesn't
Speaker 1: do it well. Brandon. I want to ask some personal questions.
Speaker 1: You just moved to Florida from Arizona. As I'm looking
Speaker 1: at on the just a beautiful Arizona morning. By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to rub that
Speaker 1: in too hard, but I want to ask give me,
Speaker 1: give me your your pros and cons the pros about
Speaker 1: moving to Florida and the cons about leaving Phoenix, because
Speaker 1: I don't want everybody to hear this, but living in
Speaker 1: Phoenix is really awesome, by the way, just people. I
Speaker 1: don't think people know that. So give me a couple
Speaker 1: of your pros that things you're excited about, and maybe
Speaker 1: a couple of things you'll miss about Arizona. Know you'll
Speaker 1: be backers. First of all, I'd love to meet the
Speaker 1: person that called Florida the sunshine state. I mean, that
Speaker 1: is the greatest days. It rains every day, every day
Speaker 1: it rains here, So it is much much harder to practice.
Speaker 1: It's much harder to predict that you are going to practice.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you how many times I've driven to
Speaker 1: the golf course, get there and lightning storms just descend
Speaker 1: upon the place in biblical fashion, and you sit there
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, I guess I'll go home. Shine
Speaker 1: state with Arizona is the sunshine state. You could say
Speaker 1: that Florida. I don't know what Florida is. It's the
Speaker 1: it's the humid state. Let's call it that. Florida, believe
Speaker 1: it or not, has warmer winters than Arizona. So if
Speaker 1: it's not raining, which is rare chances, or it's gonna
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be much more warmer than it is
Speaker 1: in Arizona, so you can get out early in the
Speaker 1: morning here in practice a little bit. Um. What's great
Speaker 1: about Florida. Florida you get wind, which is it's good
Speaker 1: to practice him. You know, the weather was almost too
Speaker 1: good in Scottsdale when I lived there. I go out
Speaker 1: and practice and I think, look, I mean, anybody could
Speaker 1: hit beautiful shots at here. And I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why Arizona in general has produced so
Speaker 1: few great golfers. Um if any I mean you know,
Speaker 1: I mean Billy Mayfair and Heather far Um. Other than that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: tour pros after they've learned the game, moved there because
Speaker 1: of the weather and the lifestyle. But Arizona in general
Speaker 1: produces almost no great players. The weather is too good. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, Florida's produced pastles so great players, so has Arizona.
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, Texas, not Arizona. So it's Texas places
Speaker 1: where it's windy. So it's a much better place to
Speaker 1: go out and test your golf game. Because you know,
Speaker 1: I played the other day that win was going thirty.
Speaker 1: It's like, good gracious, you gotta pay attention. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you've got a shape shot, you
Speaker 1: get him down, hit him up. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: a mean place to play golf a lot of the time. So, um,
Speaker 1: that'd be my take. But yes, you're talking to a
Speaker 1: man who represented Scottsdale for about five or six years
Speaker 1: as the best place to play golf in the world.
Speaker 1: And when they when they came to me and asked
Speaker 1: me to do it, I was like, there's the easiest
Speaker 1: job I've ever had, because that's the absolute truth. You're
Speaker 1: gonna pay me for this. I'll just tell you. I'll
Speaker 1: just tell you this, right. And I had to go
Speaker 1: make these commercials and they're like, you know, we have
Speaker 1: this script, and I'm like, I don't need a script.
Speaker 1: Just throw the camera and I'm gonna tell you how
Speaker 1: great this place is. It's seventy four and no wind,
Speaker 1: and the greens are perfect. Yeah, this is a decent
Speaker 1: place to golf. Right, it's the same temperature in your
Speaker 1: living room. And by the way, the winds blowing the
Speaker 1: same speed in your living room. It's it's and the
Speaker 1: grass is green. And the I mean, it's so green
Speaker 1: and it's perfect. Mean it. I miss the hell out
Speaker 1: of Scottsdale, I really do. I miss it so much.
Speaker 1: H And when I go there, I just I can't
Speaker 1: get enough of it. You know, we will hike in
Speaker 1: the morning, play tennis, will play golf, hike in the evening.
Speaker 1: We'll go to our favorite restaurant and eat too much
Speaker 1: and get home and go. I can't wait to get
Speaker 1: up and do it all again tomorrow. You bring up
Speaker 1: by the way, I know, I know you're a guy
Speaker 1: that deep dives into deep dives into stats. Something that
Speaker 1: I think would be interesting hearing you talk about Florida
Speaker 1: and the wind is how pros games have changed moving
Speaker 1: to Florida. You know, you get a lot of guys
Speaker 1: internationally that moved to Florida, and I wonder if it's
Speaker 1: if it's improved the way game. Well, it's interesting again,
Speaker 1: to grow up here is one thing. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a historian, you'll know that Nicholas moved here
Speaker 1: in and his game kind of fell off in sixty
Speaker 1: seven to seventy and I you know, I mean, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of circumstances that that were involved there,
Speaker 1: but his golf swing changed a little bit. Um, he
Speaker 1: was he snapped his left leg from sixty two to
Speaker 1: sixty seven sixty six, he uh, you know, he was
Speaker 1: much I would I would imagine much much faster through
Speaker 1: the ball because he was behind it and he snapped
Speaker 1: his left leg. But beginning of sixty seven, almost exactly
Speaker 1: when he moved to Florida, he had more sag in
Speaker 1: his left knee and more slides of the ball. And
Speaker 1: I suspect it was to keep the ball down because
Speaker 1: he was probably practicing when he was practicing in Florida
Speaker 1: as windy as hell, and you just get beat up.
Speaker 1: That's an amateur theory of mine. Um. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, there should be. Um, I should do a
Speaker 1: little work on the games. Do they get better? Do
Speaker 1: they get worse when guys moved to Florida. Um. In general,
Speaker 1: I'd say, you know, it's it's a it's a good
Speaker 1: place to prepare to play the tour because it does
Speaker 1: for you know, it does get you ready for all
Speaker 1: the conditions. Um. But if you if you want to
Speaker 1: work on your golf swing, I can't think of a
Speaker 1: better place in the world than Scottsdale, because there's nothing
Speaker 1: out there that makes you go, I gotta hit a shot.
Speaker 1: It's like, let me just make a pretty golf swing here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was at dinner last night with with
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine, UH and his wife and my wife,
Speaker 1: and we were talking about Arizona and we were talking
Speaker 1: about I was mentioning I grew up in these Texas
Speaker 1: and I was mentioning this tornado situation. I was in
Speaker 1: one time where my parents just didn't wake me up,
Speaker 1: and Uh, this huge tornado blew through and I was
Speaker 1: kind of just par for the course because we had
Speaker 1: him a lot. And I said, there's there's no natural
Speaker 1: issues in the state of Arizona. You might get a
Speaker 1: dust storm, you might have to clean your pool like
Speaker 1: twice in the monsoon season, and outside of that, You're
Speaker 1: all thumbs up. You you gave it a go last
Speaker 1: year on the Champions Tour. You you played in the
Speaker 1: Senior Open. You mentioned late last year you were going
Speaker 1: to try to go six events or so this year.
Speaker 1: Is that still your goal? That is? Uh? In addition
Speaker 1: to you know, I'm I'm trying to get in a
Speaker 1: handful of events, but I'll try to qualify for the
Speaker 1: US Senior Open and the Senior Open. UM. So the
Speaker 1: Senior Open should be quite quite interesting because I'll finish
Speaker 1: covering the Open in Ireland and I've got to get
Speaker 1: to Scotland by the next morning to play in the
Speaker 1: Senior Open. Qualified. Now, I think I can do it.
Speaker 1: I think I've figured out how to do it. Um.
Speaker 1: But but if everything goes right, you know, if everything
Speaker 1: went just right, I'd play eight events this year. Um,
Speaker 1: which means I am going to be sore and sleepy
Speaker 1: because I kind of burned the candle at both ends.
Speaker 1: I stay up late doing research, and I get up
Speaker 1: early to go practice and get golf balls and go
Speaker 1: to the gym. Um. So I don't know how long
Speaker 1: I can maintain is it's lifestyle. But but but it's
Speaker 1: it's fun, you know. I I you know, as soon
Speaker 1: as I hang up with you, I'm going to hit
Speaker 1: off balls. And um, you know, I hadn't hit any
Speaker 1: until yesterday. I hadn't hit any in over a week.
Speaker 1: And I was a complete shop yesterday early on and
Speaker 1: then and then I you know, I got I got
Speaker 1: going all right. But now I have in my mind
Speaker 1: all these things that I need to dress today, so
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get out and get after it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you out here. Then I'll let you
Speaker 1: get to your rangeballs here in just a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1: I got two more things we're gonna do, and then
Speaker 1: I'll let you go the first thing. And you mentioned
Speaker 1: it to start. I just I just want you to
Speaker 1: give me a couple of minutes on Jordan's speed. And
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna ask you is and I mentioned this
Speaker 1: last week with Jeff Shackelford speeds in the world. Now,
Speaker 1: he's had just one top ten worldwide since the Masters
Speaker 1: last year, and and he's making The problem I'm seeing
Speaker 1: more than anything is is the big numbers. You know,
Speaker 1: when people make a lot of big numbers, that's a
Speaker 1: red flag for me. I think he's made nine doubles
Speaker 1: or worse this season, including two or more in four
Speaker 1: straight events his last four events. This can't just be
Speaker 1: ball striking with Jordan's speed at this point, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: at some point it's a little bit between the years. No,
Speaker 1: it's ball striking. It's his golf swing as golf swing is. Look,
Speaker 1: it's stripped of a lot of the athleticism that he had.
Speaker 1: You know, he used to have a great trigger moved
Speaker 1: to get the golf swing going. Uh, his trigger moves
Speaker 1: almost non existent. Us golf swing is much much shorter
Speaker 1: h than it was, so he doesn't have the time
Speaker 1: and transitions of the things gather. Um. You know, he's
Speaker 1: he's he's not as deep into his right the golf
Speaker 1: swing is not in the same spot at the top
Speaker 1: of the club's not in the same spot at the top.
Speaker 1: It doesn't hang it used to. Um. It used to
Speaker 1: have a little just a hint of the cup in
Speaker 1: his left wrist at the top, and the club hung
Speaker 1: beautifully right down the line. Now it's it's more laid off.
Speaker 1: He's got a bow and his left wrist, which puts
Speaker 1: his right arm at a more acute angle and in
Speaker 1: a bad spot to begin the down swing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you put all those things together. I mean, look that
Speaker 1: they might have happened to him incrementally, um, but I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's how people go broke incrementally, and then
Speaker 1: one day they wake up and they're broke. It's like
Speaker 1: and so you know, this has been an incremental slide
Speaker 1: in the in the wrong direction, and all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: Now then he's got he's got you know, four or
Speaker 1: five things that are look. I think he could fix
Speaker 1: them in an afternoon, I really do. But but in
Speaker 1: my opinion, his golf swing has just been stripped of
Speaker 1: of the athleticism that made it. I've always thought his
Speaker 1: golfman was one of the best on tour. But it's
Speaker 1: not now, not at all. And it's uh, it's look.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can still turn it around, but it's
Speaker 1: it's it's three alarm fire right now. I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's warning time for sure. All right, last thing I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do, I'm calling this get to no Brandle. Okay,
Speaker 1: are you ready for this? He's a rapid fire questions
Speaker 1: you have to spend some time on him. I've got
Speaker 1: about five or six something. They're kind of all over
Speaker 1: the place, So prepare yourself. Okay. I feel like, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is right up your alley. You're you're
Speaker 1: your wits so great, you're so quick. I think you'll
Speaker 1: be able to handle everything. All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: First one, who's your favorite non golf athlete you've ever watched? Nice? Nice?
Speaker 1: I think we're in agreement. One for one I like it.
Speaker 1: Federer my favorite ever. You know, I've never seen that
Speaker 1: would be Earl Campbell. But yeah, I've never seen Federer
Speaker 1: play tennis live, and I've decided that's my twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: goal is to go see him play live tennis in
Speaker 1: person somewhere, because it's I feel like I'm I'm ashamed
Speaker 1: of myself for doing this being such a tennis fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so much I enjoy about Federer. You know, early
Speaker 1: on he did have a bit of a temper, but
Speaker 1: but he overcame that and the grace and the ass
Speaker 1: that he exhibits, and um, you know, I I play
Speaker 1: tennis pretty much every day these days, and I'm online
Speaker 1: looking at his methods and his strokes, and um, there's
Speaker 1: so much I admire about that guy. Unbelievable and uh
Speaker 1: and I also believe he's one of the athletes that's
Speaker 1: probably been written off the most of anybody ever. I
Speaker 1: feel like this first so bit was like he's still
Speaker 1: still out there beating people up all right, Favorite Girl
Speaker 1: Scout Cookie brand, a favorite Girl Scout cookie of choice.
Speaker 1: God sin mints. I mean, I gotta eat my weight
Speaker 1: in thin mints. Um, And I you know, I'll buy
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars worth of Girl Scout cookies every year,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know after you know I've run out
Speaker 1: of insulin um because you know I need a shot
Speaker 1: every day. I'm not a diabetic, but I mean he
Speaker 1: eats a damn any of those. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sugar high every damn day. It's like, um,
Speaker 1: but sin mints followed by the peanut butter um, those
Speaker 1: little coconut little things with the with there. Those are
Speaker 1: not bad. I mean, if they're doing a pinch, still
Speaker 1: doing a pinch. Um, but again, the thin mints unbelievable.
Speaker 1: A sporting event you've never attended but hope to attend someday. Wimbledon.
Speaker 1: Uh went once try to get tickets. It was gosh,
Speaker 1: it was um trying to remember who was in the
Speaker 1: dead come final. It was I was trying to go
Speaker 1: to the women's final. I kind of remember who heck
Speaker 1: it was, but anyway, it was forty dollars a ticket.
Speaker 1: There were two of us, and on the way there,
Speaker 1: I thought, how much will I pay? Literally how much
Speaker 1: will I pay? Because I was like, I know the
Speaker 1: tickets are gonna be ridiculous, so I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll pay three thousand dollars a ticket. And I got
Speaker 1: there like, you know, almost ten grand. And I thought
Speaker 1: I can do a lot of crazy stuff for ten
Speaker 1: grand in London. Um, I try to watch it, right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it on TV and a really nice
Speaker 1: pub and I'm gonna have really nice pints and it's
Speaker 1: gonna cost me a hundred pounds. That's exactly right. I
Speaker 1: think that's say in a really nice hotel in London
Speaker 1: that night. All right, what's your go to game you
Speaker 1: play with your friends on the course. Uh, well that's
Speaker 1: a good one. Um go to game when I do well,
Speaker 1: I give I give aim and Lynch twelve shots around
Speaker 1: and and and beat him every single round for by
Speaker 1: now hundreds of times. You never asked, Well, I try,
Speaker 1: but he won't take. He gets indignant when I say, look,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a shot a hole. Um, he gets indignant.
Speaker 1: Although we're playing this next Tuesday and he is taking
Speaker 1: a shot a hole and if he beats me, which
Speaker 1: will not happen, I told him I could give him
Speaker 1: two shots a hole now and beat him because he's terrible. Um,
Speaker 1: he's he wants me to shave because he hates uh
Speaker 1: the four day growth I've been wearing on TV, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, my wife likes. That's all. That's the
Speaker 1: only thing that matters. By the way, on TV, what
Speaker 1: do you what do you want? What do what do
Speaker 1: you like that I have on my time, my shirt,
Speaker 1: whatever's sombrero. If my wife liked it, I'm right there
Speaker 1: with you. You know. It's like, you know, what do
Speaker 1: you like? Bailey? All right? I'm sure I'm here to
Speaker 1: make you happy. Um, I give, I give, I give
Speaker 1: my wife, I give her. I think I give her
Speaker 1: twelve shots to uh. And we were just playing at
Speaker 1: Kapalua and she was playing really really well. I wasn't
Speaker 1: playing particularly well and on the sixteenth so I looked
Speaker 1: at her was like, you were playing great today, and
Speaker 1: she was like, how do you stand? And she looked
Speaker 1: at me and she kind of smiled and she goes,
Speaker 1: you're beating me by one shot because she was she
Speaker 1: was four over par and I was like, holy cow.
Speaker 1: She didn't make a tan on the next sol though,
Speaker 1: by the way, listen, better players have done it. Tell
Speaker 1: her that every time better players made one time on TV,
Speaker 1: so it's happening all right, when you when you try
Speaker 1: when when Brandon Shamblely travels, I must have blank with me.
Speaker 1: Books always them, lots of them. Yeah, I travel with
Speaker 1: three or four. Uh. My briefcase might be close to
Speaker 1: fifty pounds. I'm not sure I could get it on
Speaker 1: a plane without having to pay a h N up charge. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a bear to get my
Speaker 1: briefcas if you come over and try to pick it up.
Speaker 1: It's full of full of books. Um. I'm a serial reader,
Speaker 1: but I always have three or four with me. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming I might know the answer to this considering
Speaker 1: what you just said. But what's your most opened iPhone? App? Uh?
Speaker 1: Probably notes the notes APP? Great app? The notes APP?
Speaker 1: I am? I am? You know when I read, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm looking for ways to think about everything, you know,
Speaker 1: different breakdowns, things that could be applical, And if it
Speaker 1: strikes a chord with me, then I'll carry it out
Speaker 1: to a to a player, or to situation or to
Speaker 1: an idea, and then before I forget it, I write
Speaker 1: it down. Um so on a phone on the plane.
Speaker 1: You know, I do most of my reading when I'm
Speaker 1: on planes, and I'm I'm forever. It's like you do
Speaker 1: your best thinking when you're on a plane because you
Speaker 1: don't have your phone off and it's quiet, and it's
Speaker 1: like all these ideas just come flying through. So it's
Speaker 1: like you do get your phone out just to put
Speaker 1: um the notes in there. So that's something I learned.
Speaker 1: Paul Easinger is a big notes guy. He writes down
Speaker 1: his his kind of theories and thoughts in the in
Speaker 1: the Notes app and I started to do a little
Speaker 1: bit of similar stuff. So I'm trying to learn from
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And Brandles simply those are the guys.
Speaker 1: It makes sense. I'm a huge polizing and fan. I
Speaker 1: think he's fabulous. Well, Brandle, I appreciate it. When is
Speaker 1: the next when's the second episode of the Brandle Shambley
Speaker 1: podcast with himI DS coming out? You know it's gonna
Speaker 1: come out probably the next week. We just taped it,
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm not sure the powers that be when
Speaker 1: they put those things out, they always have some strategy.
Speaker 1: In my probably in our run up to the Players Championship,
Speaker 1: I think we have some big things going on next
Speaker 1: week with the Arna Palmer Invitational. Um, you know, so
Speaker 1: NBC has got I don't know, a buffet of events
Speaker 1: running up in a row here, so um, it'll come
Speaker 1: out pretty soon. Uh. It's it's a treat for me
Speaker 1: to get to work with Himie. I've I've been reading
Speaker 1: Himie forever. I've always thought he was, if not the
Speaker 1: very best, certainly one of the best writers in the
Speaker 1: game of golf. So it's it's a real treat for me.
Speaker 1: This particular It's funny, this particular episode is much like
Speaker 1: what we just did, the five questions that you've rattled
Speaker 1: off at me him. He was like, can I just
Speaker 1: try to get to know you or get inside your
Speaker 1: head and ask the questions straight for an hour about you?
Speaker 1: And then that way our audience will know who you are.
Speaker 1: And I was like, are you sure you want to
Speaker 1: do that? Um, But anyway, that's that's that's what the
Speaker 1: next episode is about. So from from pretty much all
Speaker 1: the stupid things I used to do on horseback to
Speaker 1: some of the crazy things I do now on TV. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's always entertaining. I always am. Uh. I'm
Speaker 1: impressed with your ability to to lean on all the
Speaker 1: research you do to provide a different look into the
Speaker 1: game and I think what you do at the Golf
Speaker 1: Channel and what you continue to do kind of with
Speaker 1: the game is is great for all of us. And
Speaker 1: uh and I always love when I see the pros
Speaker 1: get a little rattled. It's my favorite thing. That's when
Speaker 1: they bring your name up. It always makes me laugh.
Speaker 1: It's like he did his job correctly this week. If
Speaker 1: Phil Nicholson is calling brand all out, Brandle, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Always a great time chat with you, my man, Shane.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thanks for having me on. Real pleasure.
Speaker 1: Look forward to seeing you out on the road somewhere.
Speaker 1: It looks like I'm arect It's big thanks to Brandle
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