1 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Well, hey Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo Territory, 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: part of the Foul Territory Network. I'm Mike di Giovanno, 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: former Ela Times baseball writer, and I'm joined by former 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Angel slugger Mark Trumbo and Sam Blum, a baseball writer 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: for The Athletic. 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: Today, we're going. 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: To examine the performance of Angels general manager Perrymnasium, and 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: we're going to start with some clips from his oppress 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: availability last week. 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: We made a jump last year. 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: I think we were in the top four, top five 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 3: and wins from the previous season. 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: You know, we expect to make another jump this year. 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into you know, doesn't do 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 3: me any good from a payroll standpoint, or you know, 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 3: doesn't give me an advantage on anybody else to give information. 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 3: I'm not going to make any statements again, that's forever. 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: I'm not going to give into detail. I'm value, I 19 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: mean basically real value money wise. I think anybody would 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: look at that and believe it makes sense. 21 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: Who wouldn't do that? 22 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 4: Do you not do that? 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: Now? 24 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't know IFULL have much time to get into 25 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: the meaning of value time, money, But what I want 26 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: to focus on is Perry saying that we were in 27 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: the top four or five and wins from the previous season, 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: the Angels went sixty three and ninety nine and twenty 29 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: twenty four and seventy two and ninety In twenty twenty five. 30 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: They basically went from an abysmal franchise worst record to 31 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: merely awful. That's like me, a sixty three year old man, 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: bragging that I increased my vertical leap from two inches 33 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: to three inches. Yeah, it's an improvement, but I ain't 34 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: about to enter any slant dunk contest. So while Perry 35 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: is technically correct, this does seem like a form of 36 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: gas lighting. 37 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: What do you guys think? 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's one hundred percent what it is. It's, uh, 39 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 4: that's kind of really all they have to work with 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: at this point is just you know, don't know if 41 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: it's only gas lighting, but I mean, it's just it's 42 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 4: not just that, it's the indignation with which it comes 43 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 4: right like you saw it in that clip, like would 44 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 4: you not do that? It's it's you know, we're just 45 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: trying to get answers for the fan base on kind 46 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 4: of what direction they're headed in. And every single time, 47 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 4: and it's not just that one press availability, it's it's 48 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 4: nearly every single time. That's the way he operates, and 49 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 4: so he will respond to questions with indignation with what 50 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 4: I would say is, you know, times feels rude, and 51 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 4: he'll always say things like, well, that's not that question 52 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 4: is not for me, which I'm which to me is 53 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 4: as the person asking it. It's almost insulting because I 54 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 4: know who I'm asking the question to, right, I know 55 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 4: who I want to have answered that. And also it's 56 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 4: not like this organization is making people above Perry available 57 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 4: at any sort of regular clip, so he's the one 58 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 4: who is speaking for them, and just the lack of transparency, 59 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 4: you know, it's instead of just saying I can't answer it, 60 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 4: he has to, you know, make people feel like they're 61 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 4: dumb for even wanting to know it. And that that's 62 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 4: where he I think the fan he loses the fan 63 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 4: base in a lot of ways. Andrew, you know, Perry 64 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 4: is a tough job. Everybody acknowledges that who he works for, 65 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 4: but he makes it a lot tougher on himself. And 66 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 4: I don't think he's done himself any favors. It's kind 67 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 4: of similar to the rendowed situation in some ways where 68 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, I mean he's hurt. I don't think 69 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 4: anyone blames somebody for getting hurt. Well, when you don't 70 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: handle the extra layers of that, well, you end up 71 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 4: in a situation where you know, people are just upset 72 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 4: you for the way you're handling the situation. 73 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: Mark, I know you had a bit of a reaction 74 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: to that quote as well. 75 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 5: I think I was probably well, I know I was. 76 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 5: As far as Anthony, I said he fell short in 77 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 5: regards to handling his media duties. I stand by it. 78 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 5: I think that it was obvious and it was frustrating, 79 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 5: and it's frustrating for the fan base who the more 80 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 5: we go on and we do the show, you know, 81 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 5: I'm getting feedback and we have a number of very 82 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 5: in tune interested fans and what's going on with this 83 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 5: organized that are not casual observers. They want to know 84 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 5: the ins and outs. They want to know why the 85 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 5: restructuring of the contract with Anthony happened. We could speculate, 86 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 5: which is what we've alluded to, is is all we're 87 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 5: left with. But I think that that question could have 88 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 5: been answered a myriad of ways. Ultimately what came out was, 89 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 5: you know, it had a condescending tone to it. 90 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: I don't know if it. 91 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 5: Was more towards you guys as the writers, maybe one 92 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 5: in particular, or. 93 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 4: It wasn't even me lasted like it was. 94 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 5: You know, it sounded it sounded like it was either 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 5: a topic And I think this is kind of my 96 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 5: whole thing. Every interview I've seen there's some level of evasiveness. 97 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 5: It doesn't seem like and I'm again, I want to 98 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 5: paint a fair picture. I think that's what we are 99 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 5: trying to do. You know, right now, it's obvious Perry 100 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 5: is under fire. Many media outlets are covering it. I 101 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 5: think that press conference was a disaster. It didn't have 102 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 5: to be one, but it ended up one. And I 103 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 5: think ultimately, when I think about Perry, he may be 104 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 5: under very strict orders from ownership. He may essentially have 105 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 5: to go out there and walk the plank at times 106 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 5: and take one for the team, and that's unfortunate. But 107 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 5: when I think about what is under his control, it's 108 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 5: his ability to speak, you know, a little more candidly. 109 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 5: I think it would go a long way. I tried 110 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 5: to get into I asked around. I tried to do 111 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 5: my due diligence to figure out there's something I'm missing, 112 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 5: or the fans are missing, or literally everyone's missing. As 113 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 5: to why he operates the way he does, maybe he 114 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 5: was mentored by his you know, Alex Enthopplis for example, 115 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 5: I went and watched. 116 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: A myriad of interviews with him. 117 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 5: He is guarded at times with the information, but he's 118 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 5: far more engaging. He's some personality shines. He's able to joke. 119 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 5: He commented on some topics that I thought he might 120 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 5: shy away from, as far as jumping salary and other 121 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 5: you know things that were kind of you know, giving 122 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 5: a look behind the curtain, and you know, everyone's different. 123 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 5: So Perry's not going to be Alex or anybody else, 124 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 5: but I think he probably is. As far as around 125 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 5: the game, he provides the least. I can't remember a 126 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 5: GM that was as guarded as Perry is. He doesn't 127 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 5: comment on contract negotiations, which is fine, some of that 128 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 5: stuff shouldn't be discussed. But I think at times he 129 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 5: it's this adversarial tone and it doesn't need to be. 130 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,559 Speaker 5: He needs to live some of his personality shine, because 131 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 5: at some point he might be looking for work elsewhere, 132 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 5: and when you're looking at his body of work, you 133 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 5: know what, maybe a tough time inherited a club that 134 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 5: wasn't as good here. Hopefully some of the things he's 135 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 5: done are going to pay off, But in terms of 136 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 5: his interaction with the media, I'd rate it as poor 137 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 5: right now. 138 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 4: The other thing I mean that's going on. 139 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: Sorry, well, I was going to say to me that 140 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: quote fits a pattern that points to a general lack 141 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: of accountability with this franchise. And that's something Sam, you 142 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: explored at the end of last season when Perry went 143 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: asked several times just refused to assess his performance after 144 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: another losing season, and the angel Sam wrote, or an 145 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: organization that refuses to look inward at their own mistakes 146 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: and failures. They've had ten straight losing seasons and gone 147 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: sixteen years without a playoff win, yet they operate with 148 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: the confidence and indignation of a franchise that has earned 149 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: the bent, that has earned the benefit of the doubt. 150 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: First off, I have to say if Baseball Savant tracked 151 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: barrel rays for ball riders, Sam would be among the 152 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: league leaders in hard hit rates. So kudos to you, Sam. 153 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: What led you to write that at that time. 154 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 4: Well, so that was actually what I was about to say, 155 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 4: which is, you know, looking back at that press, that 156 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 4: was an impress availability that happened at the very end 157 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 4: of the season. Origin said, the very end of the season. 158 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: They delayed it for a week for no reason. But 159 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 4: when the first question I asked Perry was, you know 160 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 4: you let go of Wash, you know, and the reason 161 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 4: wasn't because of his health. It was because of performance. 162 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 4: I mean, they wanted to make that really clear. I'm 163 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 4: not sure exactly why, but they wanted to make that clear. 164 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: And I'm like, if you can make that decision on 165 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 4: behalf of your manager, how do you evaluate your own performance? 166 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 4: Because Wash has been there for two years. Wash had 167 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: health issues that you know, sidelined him for the majority 168 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 4: of a second season, and you know what he did manage. 169 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not saying he was great or fantastic 170 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 4: or you know, super successful, but you know there they 171 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 4: were probably a little bit better. I mean, you know, 172 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 4: these showed some signs early in the season of an 173 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 4: organization kind of willing to fight even and you know, 174 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: with the resources, limited resources that he'd been given. So 175 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 4: why Perry couldn't answer that question, you know, he said 176 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 4: that was a question for someone else. I'm like, you know, 177 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: I have to do self evaluations for my job every year. 178 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 4: I mean we all do, right, Like, we all have 179 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 4: to self evaluate. And I think it's very easy to 180 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 4: just say something like I need to do better. We're 181 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 4: all playing a role in this, and you know this 182 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 4: is you know, we're not going to stop till we 183 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 4: get this right. I mean, how hard is to say that? 184 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: But he just won't do that. And I think to 185 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 4: Mark's point, right, like, you know, if that's something that's 186 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 4: in your control, you don't need to have ownership authorize 187 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 4: you to have some self reflection. You can just be 188 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: a human being and say it. And to me, like 189 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: I've always felt like the excuse that Perry is, you know, 190 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 4: has a really really tough job through ownership kind of 191 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 4: went out the door when he signed his contract extension. 192 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 4: He didn't have to do that. To me, that was 193 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 4: an indication that they are one and the same, that 194 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 4: they are going to operate the same way. He knew 195 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 4: what he was getting himself into when he signed that extension, 196 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 4: and ultimately there they are one team at this point 197 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 4: and there's a reason he's entering a six season after 198 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 4: five losing seasons. I mean, there's obviously something that's working 199 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 4: well with the front office and ownership, and I think 200 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 4: a lot of it has to do with how he 201 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 4: handles these situations unfortunately, you know, and it's a tough 202 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 4: It is tough. Like I don't, I don't Harry's under 203 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: the gun because of how poorly they performed. But you know, 204 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 4: there's just no reason to think it's getting any better. 205 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 4: And ultimately, I think this might be their worst season 206 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 4: maybe in the history of their franchise. We already saw 207 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 4: that once two years ago. In the way that they're 208 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 4: operating this offseason, you never know. I mean they every 209 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 4: year you kind of think, oh man, he just could 210 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 4: be a little bit better if all these things work out. 211 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: But I mean, I'm looking at this roster and I'm 212 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: seeing a really, really tough time to get you know, 213 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 4: even sixty wins. 214 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: Maybe. 215 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: All right, We're we're gonna take a little break. 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Hello Fresh. 239 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: Job is so intriguing. 240 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: This is not one hundred lost team. 241 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 4: This is not a five to seven ten year rebuild. 242 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 5: This is going to be a competitive club breaking news. 243 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 4: Joe Madden out as manager of the Angels. 244 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 3: Fired. 245 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 6: We got my team, get them all excited, and I'm 246 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 6: gonna give us a mohawk to get the people going. 247 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 6: And ah, he got fired before he got a chance. 248 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 4: The show is deemed that Albert Coolhols's time with the 249 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 4: Los Angeles Angels has come to an end. The club 250 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 4: announced today that they designated the future Hall of Famer 251 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 4: for assignment. Philosophically, for me, it's all about makeup. 252 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: Our player development has done an out standing jobs since 253 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 3: I've been. 254 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: Here to introduce Ron Washington. 255 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 3: I think the Angels are definitely better today than they 256 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 3: were yesterday. 257 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 6: The twenty twenty three Los Angeles Angels were an absolute disaster. 258 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: How the Angels can contend after ninety nine losses in 259 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. 260 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: Now, I'm expecting very positive things here in their future. 261 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: Well, I never got to see Joe Men's mohawk, which 262 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: is an extreme disappointment in my life. Did you Sam, 263 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: did you ever get a chance to see that one? 264 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 4: Oh? He just you know, it would have been funny 265 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 4: to show up to the ballpark that I did. But 266 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 4: I do remember they played like back for every single 267 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 4: walk up song that the night or like today that 268 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 4: was fired. So there was something in the but you know, 269 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 4: not that. 270 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: But the one quote I think really jumped out of 271 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: me was when Perry said, our player development has done 272 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: an outstanding job since we've been here. MLB dot Com 273 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: ranked the Angels farm system under director Joey Brabinski twenty 274 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: eighth or thirtieth in each of the last five seasons 275 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: out of thirty teams. Every minor league affiliate last year 276 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: was below five hundred. The Angels have only two prospects, 277 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: right handed pitchers Tyler Bremner and Ryan Johnson, in the 278 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: top one hundred. To compare, the Dodgers have seven. The 279 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: Angels like to tout their young core of Zach Netto, 280 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: Nolan Shanwell, Logan o'happi, Jose Soriano as being one of 281 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: the better young cores in baseball, But right now, it 282 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: looks like Netto's the only real potential star of that group, 283 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: and you could easily argue that the A's young core 284 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: is way better. Guys, how would you assess the Angels 285 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: player development? 286 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 5: I guess I I'll go first. I don't see much. 287 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 5: You know, the the ratings and the rankings they seem 288 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 5: pretty consistent throughout various publications. I've yet to see anybody 289 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 5: that you know, thought that they were somehow a you know, 290 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 5: rated way too low and had something that people were missing. 291 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 5: Maybe there's a couple intriguing young players down. 292 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: You know, an A ball or even below. 293 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 5: RATA is a guy that is of interest to me. 294 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 5: Classing has big stuff, and it seems like a lot 295 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 5: of the highest ranked guys were taken in the most 296 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 5: recent draft, which I think is intriguing. They went again 297 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 5: with the strategy of going under slot. I think Bremner 298 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 5: was two and a half million under slot, and there's 299 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 5: nothing to say that he might not be considered to 300 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 5: start on the major league roster. I don't think it's 301 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 5: going to happen. But you know, Ryan Johnson, for example, 302 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 5: last year, made the team pitch zero and ins in 303 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 5: the minor leagues and then went down to a ball 304 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 5: for the remainder of the year. Maybe there was a 305 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 5: better explanation that I missed that was very strange to me. 306 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 5: Not double A, not triple A. You know, he's major 307 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 5: league ready and then he's an A ball pitching in 308 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 5: Inland Empire or wherever he went to. I feel it 309 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 5: was probably wrong there. But nevertheless, is that player development 310 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 5: I I it's. 311 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 4: To me, there's so many things to get into with this. 312 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 4: I look at you mentioned Ryan Johnson. That's a good 313 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 4: example because he's someone that, like you said, you know, 314 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 4: these are decisions born out of like desperation in my opinion, 315 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 4: right like that is that is a GM who at 316 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 4: the time when you put him there last year, I 317 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 4: felt like was doing that because not necessarily because he 318 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 4: was the best option, because he was not in necessarily 319 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 4: because he was ready, but because he might have been 320 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: the very best option to do that very specific role. 321 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 4: And it's like you said, he went from being the 322 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 4: night the last night that he pitched in the big leagues. 323 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 4: He was their seventh inning guy in a lead, right 324 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 4: he came of a lead in the seventh inning, was 325 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 4: let go after the game to tell Hia. But that's 326 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 4: not even the worst example to me. Like I saw 327 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: Samuel de Gary come in twice, Cayden Dana come in 328 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 4: in games this year and throw forty three pitches in 329 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 4: one inning to cover them out of a need to 330 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: get through a major league game. You were using your 331 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 4: top pitching prospects to cover you in relief appearances, because one, 332 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 4: you've rushed these guys to the big league so quickly 333 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 4: that you don't even have people on your forty man 334 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 4: roster that you can call up without defaying them essentially, 335 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 4: So they're already put painting themselves into a corner. And 336 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 4: then they're putting these guys in an awful position to 337 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: fail at that level and to fail royally in these 338 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 4: like these seven a run innings that they just can't 339 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 4: get out of. I think it's just an awful dereliction 340 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 4: to Dodey. I wrote about it at the time. You know, 341 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: the player development, it's not about player I mean the draft. 342 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 4: You look back to that twenty twenty one draft where 343 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 4: they took all pitchers. I mean, there's not a single 344 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 4: guy from there that you can count on at the 345 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: big league level at this point. I mean, Ja silth 346 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 4: Seth is is okay. I mean he has got to 347 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 4: prove something. Sam Bachman similarly a lot to prove and 348 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 4: maybe those are the two guys that will show something 349 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 4: from that draft. But that's a failure of a draft, 350 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 4: and it was a gimmick of a draft too. And 351 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 4: then beyond that, I mean, you're looking at zach Netto 352 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 4: was probably the greatest thing that Perry's done, you know, right, like, 353 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 4: that was a really good pick. But beyond that, there 354 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 4: have been just not a lot of good decisions made. 355 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 4: They don't make trades at the deadline when they are 356 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 4: in position to do so, to actually add to that 357 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: player that you know, that that system that has ranked 358 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 4: so low, right, I mean, if they'd made trades in 359 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, and twenty twenty five, 360 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 4: when they did not, they'd be looking at a much 361 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 4: different farm system in my opinion, especially if they traded 362 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 4: Otani in twenty twenty three. But that's probably for a 363 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 4: whole separate episode. So you know, there's just failures all around. 364 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 4: I mean, you can you can look at the disconnect 365 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 4: between the major league coaches and the minor league player 366 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 4: development staff, and you can look at you know, Troy 367 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 4: Percival coming in saying it didn't like technology, and then 368 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 4: a couple of their top you know, player development pitching 369 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 4: guys are out the door a week later, right Like, 370 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 4: there are so many things that are just so like 371 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 4: you shake your head at and then you know, like 372 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 4: you said, I mean, Perry continuously props up as farm 373 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 4: director Joy Pribinski, who's just not accomplished much of anything, right, 374 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 4: and then they keep hiring these guys. I mean, most 375 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 4: of their major league coaching staff right now is from 376 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 4: their minor league player development system from last year. I mean, 377 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 4: it's it's like where it's coming from. Where's this confidence? 378 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 4: It's why? You know, it's just nothing really makes a 379 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 4: lot of sense, and there's just mistakes and failures and 380 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 4: just bad decisions like littered across the last five years. 381 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: Mark, did you have some thoughts on that all Pitcher 382 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: draft from a few years back. 383 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 5: Well, I went back in preparation for talking about it, 384 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 5: and I saw a clip somewhere where Perry was discussing. 385 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: How it kind of transpired. 386 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 5: And I believe he said they didn't go into it 387 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 5: thinking they were going to do that, but it just 388 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 5: kind of happened. You have plenty of time to prepare 389 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 5: for this. Sam, I think you mentioned it may have been, 390 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 5: you know, a gimmick or whatever it was. It definitely 391 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 5: made some headlines if that was what people were looking for. 392 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 5: You know, I don't know Sam Bachman. When he's on 393 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 5: he does have very nice stuff. But I think he 394 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 5: was the ninth overall pick, and you know, first rounders 395 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 5: generally make up the bulk of major league rosters if 396 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 5: they're domestic players, so you really want to hit on 397 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 5: those guys and taking a guy I think they had 398 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 5: high hopes that he would be a starter, but he 399 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 5: quickly transitioned to into a relief role. He's been oft injured, 400 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 5: you know, near it, while Stevenson takes the cake there. 401 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 5: When I was looking at payroll, I you know, I 402 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 5: guess he was coming off a little bit of well, 403 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 5: he had a nice season, there's no doubt about it, 404 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 5: and we bought very high. He's provided very little and 405 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 5: again probably not what he wants, definitely not what he wants, 406 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 5: but it's making a lot of money. Eleven million dollars 407 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 5: this year and he's made that, you know, the last 408 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 5: two years. I've seen him pitch, maybe by inning in 409 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 5: a third. It's probably more, but not much more than 410 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 5: that nice stuff when he's out there, but he's never 411 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 5: out there, and I don't know. I'm going to try 412 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 5: and set up some interviews with hopefully uh former members 413 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 5: of the Angels organization if they're willing to do it, 414 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 5: and player development. Maybe former general managers if they're up 415 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 5: for doing it and talk about what they see, and 416 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 5: you know, maybe what's changed if the college levels are 417 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 5: that much more advanced and there's a justification for thrusting 418 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 5: a guy into the major leagues with sub five hundred 419 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 5: bats under his belt. 420 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 2: I'd love to hear about it. 421 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 5: And I think ex players can be you know, you 422 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 5: get off my lawn. You know, they're these guys stink. 423 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 5: This game stinks, and you know it's not really the sentiment, 424 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 5: but sometimes it is. But it's not in my speaking 425 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 5: for myself. 426 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: But I do wonder. 427 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 5: I mean, I played six full seasons in the minor leagues. 428 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 5: I went to at least two Winter Balls, I went 429 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 5: played in the Fall League, three or four instructional leagues. 430 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't even know the numbers, but the 431 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 5: number of bats I had under my belt, and you 432 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 5: know what, I think I needed it at some point. 433 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 5: I think maybe I would have liked to get called 434 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 5: up quicker and started my clock. 435 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: But you know, it's water under the bridge now. 436 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 5: But I do know that, I mean I had I 437 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 5: was more than prepared in all facets of the game. 438 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 5: Because Mike Soshia would not put someone out there who 439 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 5: couldn't play defense. He just would not do it. He 440 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 5: didn't care how good your bat was. I mean, if 441 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 5: it had to be you know, all star caliber and 442 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 5: beyond almost because I don't think he could stomach watching 443 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 5: someone out there playing, you know, terrible defense. And that 444 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 5: was the brand of baseball that used to be popular here. 445 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 5: Pitching in defense. I think it's been touched on a bit. 446 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 5: At some point it transitioned into a more power approach, 447 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 5: but really in the last recent years, the offensive approach 448 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 5: changed drastically. The numbers, I think around twenty twenty twenty 449 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 5: one were fairly respectable, and the last couple of years 450 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 5: they've fallen off a cliff. Relied solely on the solo 451 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 5: home run, usually ambushing first pitch fastball, so, you know, 452 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 5: swinging at a lot of first pitches in general, which 453 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 5: to me means there's not a lot of confidence to 454 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 5: hit with two strikes, and I think that that bears 455 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 5: out as they've led the league in strikeouts more than once. 456 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 5: Very low on base percentage. The offense is not dynamic, 457 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 5: and all their runs I think if on games that 458 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 5: they don't hit home runs, I don't think they win 459 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 5: very often. I can you know, fact checkers can tell 460 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong. That's what I see. 461 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, when I first started covering the Angels time as 462 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: a beat guy in nineteen ninety five, guys like Joe Madden, 463 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the development guys they stressed, like guys 464 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: like Garrett Anderson, Tim Sam and these guys got eight hundred. 465 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: To one thousand at bats in the minor leagues. 466 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: And definitely this is a topic we want to explore 467 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: deeper on another show. To be fair to Perry, he 468 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: has done a few good things. He's had a knack 469 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: for acquiring some pretty good closers and Carlos Estevez, Russell Iglesias, 470 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: Kenley Jansen. Last year hard to argue with that he 471 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: got four prospects, including Ryan Zephyr Jhon for a journeyman 472 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: reliever Luis Garcia. In twenty twenty four, I thought the 473 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: Yusei Kakuchi deal wasn't too bad. I think we're gonna 474 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: like the Grayson Rodriguez for Taylor Ward deal eventually. And 475 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: his hands have been somewhat tied by these Rendon and 476 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: Mike Trout contracts right now, and Artie Marino's refusal to 477 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: spend big in free agency, and the owners refusal to 478 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: approve the trade of shohe Atane in twenty twenty twenty 479 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: two and twenty twenty three. As Sam mentioned, I think 480 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: really set the organization back. But I think most of 481 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: his acquisitions have been short term stop gaps like Yann Mancata, 482 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: Jrez Solaire, Brandon Jury, and Hunter Renfro. You got Michael 483 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: Lorenzo and Noah Sindegard one year, Aaron Lup, Ryan Tapara 484 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: and Archie Bradley in the bullpen one year. During Perrymansian's tenure, 485 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: the Angels are three hundred and fifty eight and four 486 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two. They're on their six manager in 487 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: nine seasons in Kurt Suzuki. They appear to have done 488 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: very little this winter to improve. Do you guys see 489 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: any hope right now for this franchise? 490 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 7: No short answer, huh? 491 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I could be wrong, you know. That's 492 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 4: what I always try to couch it because like some 493 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 4: someday I'm going to be wrong about this. To the 494 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 4: flip of me being wrong, it'll be great fodder for 495 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 4: many Angels. But I've yet to be wrong about them, 496 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 4: and I don't think it's going to change this year. 497 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 4: Well where's the hope general, you know, generating from I mean, 498 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 4: you know, I think the Rendome thing, everyone was like, okay, 499 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 4: well all right, like they're they're about to do but no, 500 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 4: it's there. They did that too. And I mean you 501 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 4: mentioned the Taylor War trade. You got to look at 502 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 4: that in the context of these other moves. I think 503 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 4: that was a money done. I mean I do. Taylor 504 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 4: Ward just agreed to like a two and a twelve 505 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 4: and a half million dollar contract in his last year 506 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 4: of arbitration. Grayce and Roriguez is going to be paid, 507 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 4: you know, minimum salary for a big leaguer this year. 508 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 4: So I look at that as saving twelve million dollars essentially. 509 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 4: I don't look at it as getting another young arm 510 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: And now you know they don't really have a replacement 511 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 4: out there. Are they going to run out Bryce Yudosio? 512 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 4: Every day? I look at Bryce Yodosio is a really 513 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 4: good player on a really good team, on this team, 514 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 4: what is he what does he really add? You know, 515 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 4: he's not a good offensive player at this point, so 516 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 4: you know, his defense and his and his base running 517 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 4: don't add that much, and I just I don't know, 518 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 4: Like you mentioned some of the good moves. I think 519 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 4: that you know, he's done some good decisions. I mentioned 520 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 4: the Netto thing. I you know, even there the uh 521 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 4: Brandon Marsh trade. I think a long run could be 522 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 4: a very smart deal. I mean, at the time, for 523 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 4: a couple of years, looked like a great trade in 524 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 4: Ohapi's regression last year is certainly concerning, but there are 525 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 4: good moves. I would just say as a whole, I 526 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 4: think Perry is essentially a small market GM who does 527 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 4: not do a good job of being a small market GM. 528 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 4: That's the problem I think he had. He's not you know, 529 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 4: you got to you look at those those small market 530 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: teams that are really effective, and it's because they're doing 531 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 4: every little thing right. Look at the Brewers, I mean, 532 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 4: you know they are they are making tough decisions every 533 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 4: year about trades and you know, deadline decisions and player development. 534 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 4: They're really really honing it on player development constantly. The Rays, 535 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 4: these are these are teams that are consistently really good 536 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 4: in those areas. The Angels just aren't at any way, 537 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 4: And I think some of that stuff is tough for 538 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: Perry to deal with with ownership restrictions, but some of 539 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 4: it he could do much much better on. And again, 540 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 4: I think that all ties into self reflection. And you know, 541 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 4: I think he operates in a form of desperation regularly 542 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 4: to keep his job, to use his boss to you know, 543 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 4: do all these various things that don't ultimately help them win. 544 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 4: And you know, when you're when you're running out your 545 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 4: prospects to fill innings and blowout losses because you don't 546 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 4: have other guys in your forty men that you can do, 547 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 4: that you can call on for that job you've lost me. 548 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 4: I just I know some people say, well, it didn't 549 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 4: kill sam Aldigarry's development. I'm not saying it. I'm not 550 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 4: saying their careers are ruined or they won't be really 551 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 4: good big league pictures, because they might. I certainly think 552 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 4: that's possible. But when I think your decision making is 553 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 4: rooted in that in those in that flawed methodology, really 554 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 4: flawed methodology, you're not going to see success long term 555 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 4: because you are making decisions based on that methodology. That's 556 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 4: just it will never work in my opinion, mark for optimism. 557 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 2: There go ahead. 558 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 5: Well, I wanted to Sam like you've seen these guys, 559 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 5: I mean, I've seen them. Is there a chance that 560 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 5: you know, we're talking about prospects, so let's put our 561 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 5: quotes on those. Is there a chance they don't actually 562 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 5: view these guys as huge prospects. 563 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: I certainly think that's possible. But again, I mean I 564 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 4: don't think they have the luxury of not viewing them 565 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 4: as prospects. I mean, ultimately, these are the guys who 566 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 4: they're going to have to have in their system at 567 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 4: pitching for them, because you know, that's they don't have 568 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 4: other options. Really, I mean, they you know, and you 569 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 4: mentioned that some of the best prospects in their system 570 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 4: are guys who were drafted in the last year, And 571 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 4: I think that is consistently what you're kind of seeing 572 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 4: in this organization, which is some of these guys will 573 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 4: fall off. A lot of them fall off as they 574 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 4: get later in their development, because early on, you can 575 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 4: kind of base that that hope on you know, just 576 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 4: that on hope, right, But you know, once they actually 577 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 4: they don't develop them to be really good pictures. They 578 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,239 Speaker 4: don't they don't figure out the best way to you know, 579 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 4: get them ready for the big leagues. Yeah, I mean, 580 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 4: maybe sam Altegarry is not viewed as highly as they 581 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 4: did when they made the trade, you know, the st 582 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 4: of his trade in twenty twenty four. I don't if 583 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 4: that's the case. They haven't said so, but I think 584 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 4: it's possible. But I also think that if that is 585 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 4: the case, it's reflective of their inability to develop. And 586 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: you know, ultimately it doesn't really matter because those are 587 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 4: the guys who are going to have to pitch big 588 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 4: league games for them. I think it's mostly reflective of 589 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 4: their decisions to call them up quickly and then not 590 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 4: be able to take them off the forty men roster. 591 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 4: They just have such little flexibility in terms of who 592 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 4: they can call up because those are the guys with options, 593 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 4: and you know you're making if you're going to make 594 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 4: other decisions, you're probably gonna have to DFA players, and 595 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 4: they just don't have the depth in their system to 596 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 4: be making decisions about dfaing certain players, you know, for 597 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 4: a random game in May, when you know they can 598 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 4: just as easily throw Caydan Dana out there and let 599 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 4: him kind of, you know, get lit up if they 600 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 4: want Mark. 601 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: Do you see any reason for optimism here? 602 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: Do you. 603 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: Not in the immediate future. I do not, especially with 604 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: the way things are going this winter. It seems pretty clear, 605 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: as Sam mentioned, they've been dumping salary and not acquiring 606 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, they don't seem like they're even in on 607 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: big time guys and you know, not gonna They're probably 608 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: not going to get Nolan aeronauto. I mean, he doesn't 609 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: even want to play here from what I've heard. And 610 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: this is a guy who, even though he's in decline 611 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: right now, would probably be a huge upgrade at third 612 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: base and an Orange County native, and he doesn't even 613 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: want to play for this franchise. 614 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 2: So that tells me a lot. It's unfortunate. 615 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 5: We've taught you know, briefly in the other episodes, but 616 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 5: it is a very hard sell right now, and for 617 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 5: a number of reasons, and and for me, it really 618 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 5: the majority is that this team could very well be 619 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 5: looking at another you know, ninety plus loss season, if 620 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 5: if not more so, Sam, I guess one question I 621 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 5: might have if if you're let's say, Taylor Ward was 622 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 5: a you know, to get his larger salary off the books, 623 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 5: why not just go for it and and you know, 624 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 5: see if you can move Cokuchi's contract, Joey Dell could 625 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 5: probably net a decent return right now. What is preventing them? 626 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 5: I guess from you know, if it you don't want 627 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 5: to call it a rebuild and put it out there 628 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 5: in words, fine, it's what, I don't know what exactly 629 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 5: what would you call what they're doing. 630 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 4: If it's not a rebuild, it's dumb chaos. A tweeted 631 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 4: that a couple of times. Chaos. It's not a rebuild 632 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 4: because they're not actually doing the things to rebuild, right 633 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 4: like they're doing things to dump some salary. I mean, 634 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 4: training Kikuchi can make some sense. I mean, especially if 635 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 4: you really think that you're going to struggle this year. 636 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 4: But you know, ultimately, I think part of this grift 637 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 4: is selling a competitive team to your fan base. So 638 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 4: if you make wholesale salary dumps and just and just 639 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 4: completely punt on a season in a way that is 640 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 4: obvious to people, you can't. I think that that that's 641 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 4: just never been what already does right Like to me, 642 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 4: when I say grift, I always think it is putting 643 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 4: out a team that in spring training you could you 644 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 4: could sell as a potential winner and let that kind 645 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 4: of speak for itself until it just fails. I think 646 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 4: that is kind of what they always do, and that 647 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 4: is what they're trying to do this year, but maybe 648 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 4: in a little bit more of a obviously not going 649 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 4: to work context. Right, So I think like when you 650 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 4: make the trade for Grayson Rodriguez, like, yeah, you're you're 651 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 4: taking a lottery ticket, You're taking a guy that maybe 652 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 4: will be a really good picture for you. But ultimately, 653 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 4: like I don't think that was the reason for the decision, 654 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 4: but maybe that's the reason why that that particular player 655 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 4: was acquired because it's someone that they can sell to 656 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 4: their fans as potentially, you know, really really effective in 657 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 4: this first year with the team, as opposed to if 658 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 4: you just trade for prospects, that maybe says something different 659 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 4: to that fan base. So I think that they're always 660 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 4: you know, trying to put out a product that they 661 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 4: can at least you know, have some bibbleheads for have 662 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 4: you know, some giveaways, do this and that, But it's 663 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 4: to me, it's not really a serious attempt at winning 664 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 4: baseball games. 665 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: All right. 666 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: Well, that we're going to close this episode of Halo Territory. 667 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Please like and subscribe and We'll 668 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: see you next time on Halo Territory.