1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. This is Rob Lamb. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: We're airing the second part of our Highlander two episodes. 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: This episode originally published five three, twenty twenty four. If 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: you didn't hear the first one, just go back a 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: few We reran part one on Monday, and today on Friday, 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: we're rerunning part two to complete our perhaps an overlong 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: discussion of this super weird movie. I don't think it's 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 1: actually over long. I think there's so much to talk 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: about here. It's a marvelously, marvelously weird and fun flick. 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: So let's dive right in for the second half. 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 12 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: Hey you, welcome to Weird House Cinema. 13 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCory. And 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: we are back today with part two of our discussion 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: of the nineteen ninety one sci fi fantasy action movie 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: Highlander two The Quickening, starring christof Lambert, Sean Connery, Virginia Madson, 17 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: and Michael Ironside. Highlander two is a movie that is 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: infamous for its awfulness and positively anathematized by most Highlander fans. 19 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: Highlander fans, a lot of them will say, don't watch 20 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 3: this movie at all. If they if they do tell 21 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 3: you to watch it, they'll usually say, you know, prefer 22 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: one of the like recut versions, such as the Renegade 23 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 3: cut or whatever. We'll get into those in just a moment. 24 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: But Highlander two the Quickening in its original theatrical release 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 3: is a film that I love, and I have loved 26 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: for years. I have watched it so many times, more 27 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: times than I can count, really, and I'm actually worried 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: for the physical integrity of my legacy VHS tape. I 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: fear that one day the tape may snap. 30 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they I've got to put it back out. 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: They've got to make the theatrical cut, the Zeist cut, 32 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: available for everyone so they can experience the true broken, 33 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: weirdness and an awesomeness of this picture, because you know, 34 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: like a lot of like awesome, flawed films, Yeah, there 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: is this, there is this nagging question what could have been? 36 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: How could you make this better? And it's often I 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: mean the legacy of even great films that get a 38 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: lot of recuts. You know, I'm thinking about Ridley Scott 39 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: getting in there and tinkering a lot with some of 40 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: his pictures. You know, it's I feel like, I mean, 41 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: there are cases, yeah, where a fan seem to have 42 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: a consensus about, Okay, this is the best cut, this 43 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: is the best way to watch particular film, certainly, but 44 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: a lot of times you just end up with this 45 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: kind of ambiguity, like there is no there is no 46 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: key picture. So I really admire some of those filmmakers 47 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: out there who are like, no, no, there's just one 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: cut that is the director's cut, and of course there 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: are a lot of moving parts there. You know, you 50 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: have to have a position where the director has enough 51 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: say that that they feel like that is their cut. 52 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: But anyway, I digress. 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: Well, maybe we should start. But because in the last 54 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 3: episode we did a significant segment talking about the different 55 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: cuts of the film available, because that will come up 56 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: again in today's episode, maybe we should do it, just 57 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: a really fast rundown of what they are again. So 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 3: you've got the original American theatrical release. This is the 59 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 3: one we're watching, the one we're talking about today. This 60 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: is the one that is most generally hated by Highlander fans. 61 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: It's like eighty something minutes long, and it preserves the 62 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: big plot innovation from the script, which is that the 63 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: immortals from the original Highlander are actually aliens from the 64 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: planet Zeist. So it takes something that was originally mysterious 65 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: fantasy just kind of magic with an unknown source, and 66 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: makes it concrete science fiction. Then there's also the British version, 67 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: which preserves these main details, but it's also longer. It 68 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: includes some extra character development scenes and rearranges the edit. 69 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 3: It also has the so called fairy tale ending, which 70 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: we'll talk about at the end of this episode. Then 71 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: there is the home video release known as the Renegade version. 72 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 3: This is even longer, It includes more scenes and some 73 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: different takes. I believe also includes some additional footage that 74 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: was shot after the production, like I think they actually 75 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: got Christoph Lambert, Virginia Madsen, and Michael Ironside to come 76 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 3: back to shoot like an action scene that was supposed 77 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 3: to be a big set piece in the movie but 78 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: was never completed during filming this version, the Renegade version, 79 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: has a totally different edit. Most notably, it removes all 80 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 3: references to the immortals being aliens and removes all references 81 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: to the planet Zeist, and also in a rather confusing 82 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 3: move removes all references to the Quickening, which is in 83 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: the title of the movie Highland or two the Quickening. 84 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 3: But it's large thought that the removal of the immortals 85 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: being aliens and the planet Zeist and all that is 86 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: due to fan backlash. Fans did not like that, you know, 87 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: they were probably getting a lot of angry questions about 88 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: it at the conventions. So that that's just gone. 89 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: And I would love to hear from many Highlander fans 90 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: out there, of varying degrees, for your take on the 91 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: franchise as a whole, because I think by and large, 92 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: fans of anything Highlander have at this point been presented 93 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: with numerous things to find lackluster, but also, you know, 94 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: some things to genuinely enjoy and find awesome. And they're 95 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: eventually going to get a reboot, so potentially even more 96 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: stuff to be perturbed or excited about. So yeah, right in, 97 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: we'd love to have to know your thoughts on it. 98 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: Me. 99 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm very much you know H one, H two, and 100 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: I enjoyed H three for what it is, and then 101 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: I have seen many, but not all, of the episodes 102 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: of the TV series, and I thought that could be 103 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: quite good at times. 104 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: Well, I'm the kind of person who thinks there's a 105 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: lot to love and enjoy in a Highlander two, as 106 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: is especially in the most hated version, the American theatrical release, 107 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: which has lots of stuff that is immensely pleasurable because 108 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: it's good, and probably even more stuff that's immensely pleasurable 109 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 3: because of how bad it is. It's just a mix 110 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: of the best of both worlds. Oh. But then also, 111 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 3: I think there is actually I alluded to this in 112 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: part one, but I wasn't sure. I think there is 113 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: another home video release after the Renegade version. It's called 114 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: like the Ultimate Version or something. I don't know much 115 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: about that one, but I think possibly it includes some 116 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: updated and supposedly improved visual effects. So, as we've said, 117 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: in defiance of conventional wisdom, we are watching the original 118 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 3: American theatrical release, which we will hereafter refer to as 119 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 3: the Zeist cut, because it's where the Zeist stuff is 120 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: left in. Now, another thing I wanted to address is 121 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 3: that we don't normally split Weird House Cinema episodes into 122 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: two parts, but we've done it a couple of times 123 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: recently for deservingly massive and to us at least fascinating movies. 124 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: First of all, we did it for David Lynch's adaptation 125 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: of Done, and now we're doing it again for Highlander 126 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: two the Quickening. And one thing I don't think we 127 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: pointed out last time is that while these movies are 128 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: in many ways quite different, they have some things in common. 129 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: They are both troubled, big budget English language sci fi 130 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: productions filmed in Latin American countries, and in both cases 131 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 3: there were bitter struggles for creative control over the film's 132 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: contents and the final edit. So in the case of 133 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: David Lynch's Dune, this was a big budget sci fi 134 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,559 Speaker 3: production shot largely in Mexico, and it was well known 135 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: that David Lynch was extremely unhappy with the theatrical release 136 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: of the film, which was strongly influenced by the producers 137 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: and the moneymen. And David Lynch has said that his 138 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: experience with Dune taught him that he would rather not 139 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 3: make a movie at all than make one without having 140 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: full creative control or full control over the final cut. Well, 141 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: last night I learned some interesting resonances between this story 142 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: and the story of the making of Highlander two, because 143 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: I watched a making of documentary called I think this 144 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: was a strange choice for the title, it's called Seduced 145 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 3: by Argentina. This is a featurette that's included on one 146 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: of the home video releases of the movie. This has 147 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: interviews with the director, Russell mulcahe with the producers, with 148 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: Christoph Lambert, and with many of the crew, and it 149 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: explores the strange, wonderful and also somewhat cursed process of 150 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: making Highlander two. So the film's production was moved to 151 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 3: the country of Argentina for a number of reasons. One 152 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 3: of the major reasons just being financial. It was a 153 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 3: lot deeper to make it there. And there are a 154 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: lot of stories about how the production sort of turned 155 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: into a big party, Like a lot of the cast 156 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: and crew got to Argentina. We're spending time in Buenos Aires, 157 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: and they sort of fell in love with the city 158 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: and with the culture, and we're spending a lot of 159 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: time like going out to nightclubs and just hanging out 160 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 3: and partying and drinking and doing whatever. And that this 161 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 3: created some kind of problems with like staying on task 162 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: with the making of the film, but also the movie 163 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 3: was this was a big production this is a big 164 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 3: budget movie involving major talent in terms of set design, 165 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: costume design, visual effects, and so forth. And though there 166 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: was a lot of talent working on this film and 167 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: they put in a great effort in any ways, and 168 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 3: some of the sets and stuff, you can really see 169 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: that this is a lavish production with you know, great 170 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: intentions behind it. But a lot of these teams also 171 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 3: ended up working with weird logistical constraints and limitations. And 172 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: this included all kinds of different things like lack of 173 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: certain materials they needed, lack of access to crew with 174 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 3: certain kinds of industry know how, to the fact that 175 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: I think they had. I could be wrong about this, 176 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: but I think they had a very tight window in 177 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: which to shoot all of Sean Connery's scenes. Like I 178 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: think he was only going to be in town for 179 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: like six days or something, and he is not a 180 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 3: cameo in Highlander two. He's a major character. 181 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think they might have shot some of 182 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: his scenes in Scotland, like the initial Scotland scenes. 183 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 184 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: But still, yeah, there's a lot of stuff with him 185 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: in the futuristic setting, So that's a lot ultimately to 186 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: pack into six days. Especially in a big production like this. 187 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: Also sounds like this was not the safest set anyone 188 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: ever worked on, just like some of the footage you see, 189 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: like some of the crew they you allude to this 190 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 3: that they were kind of moving fast and cutting corners 191 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: and you know, doing things that were not would not 192 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 3: be considered, I don't know, taking optimal safety precautions that 193 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 3: you would and in a regular production. And by the way, 194 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: I love movies, and I can get really precious about 195 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 3: preserving a filmmaker's vision at many costs, but not at 196 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: any cost. Nobody needs to die or get injured making 197 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: a film, you know, that's just you know, keep it 198 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 3: safe on set. 199 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read that. One particular detail of all this 200 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: is that both Michael Ironside and Christoph Lambert apparently sustained 201 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: injuries in their sword fighting sequences, which you know is 202 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: always a risk if you have actors doing their own 203 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: action scenes and fight choreography and so forth. But you know, 204 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: looking back at like assuming for a minute, I don't 205 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: know if this is correct, but assuming that they shot 206 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: the final epic sword fight between General Katana and Connor 207 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: McLeod in sequence. By the end of it, it looked 208 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: really looks like they're not able to do much. And 209 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: I've also read that like the general Katana ironically fights 210 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: with a broad sword, which was apparently difficult to wield 211 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: as well. So like by the end of this big 212 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: epic fight scene with an amazing set, everything feels a 213 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: little clunky and kind of tired, Like they just look 214 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: like maybe they're out of steam, and if they're working 215 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: through injuries, you can understand that. 216 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know what the source of this information 217 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: is because I didn't see this mentioned in any of 218 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 3: the interviews that I recall, but I know I've read 219 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: that like that. I think it was Christoph Limbert wanted 220 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: to work with real swords. He was like, I don't 221 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 3: want this plastic crop, you know, I want to have 222 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: like a real sword, And so they were doing that, 223 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: but apparently Limber's eyesight is not great and he you know, 224 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: couldn't wear glasses for filming the scenes, and so yeah, 225 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 3: they were just Oh and also he did a lot 226 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: of his own stunts in the movie, including us the 227 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: scenes we'll talk about later with like an elevator, falling 228 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: down an elevator shaft and flying around on rocket boots. 229 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: And stuff, so like, in some ways it's kind of exciting, 230 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: you know, stories of Bravado from the film Star. But 231 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 3: also yeah, it sounds like it was not the safest 232 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: set ever. But anyway, all working with all these limitations, 233 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: things keep happening. Also, I think in the background here 234 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: there is a major inflation problem in Argentina while they're 235 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 3: shooting it, so like the money, the value of the 236 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 3: money they're using to make the movie is like all 237 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 3: over the place, and that's causing production problems as well. 238 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: So there were just like basic logistical problems and production 239 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: financing problems, and the movie was apparently taking way too 240 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: long and going over budget. So in a move that 241 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: absolutely always goes well more than halfway through production, creative 242 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 3: control was taken over by an insurance company. 243 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is not bode well. 244 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: So for those of you who not familiar with the 245 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: film bonding process, there's a thing in the film industry 246 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: called a completion bond, which is essentially an insurance policy 247 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 3: for the film's investors. So if a movie is not 248 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: coming in on time or not staying within budget, the 249 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: bonding company that has been contracted can step in, supposedly 250 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: to protect the interests of the investors of the film 251 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: to take over production and guarantee a completed film within 252 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 3: a certain budget and by a certain time. And this 253 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: is what happened with Highlander two. So things are not 254 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: going well, they're spending too much money, it's taking too long. 255 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: The insurance company steps in and says, we're in charge. Now. 256 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: You can kind of imagine how cool that would be. 257 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: I mean, especially if you're dealing with filmmakers they want 258 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: to take big swings that they want to know, go 259 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: big or you know, or go home, and you have 260 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: the insurance people coming in and saying, actu, it is 261 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: time to go home. It is time to wrap it up. 262 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: So I think I think a lot of the deficiencies 263 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: of Highlander two, a lot of the things that are 264 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: very funny and bad about it can be chalked up 265 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: to this thing that had the takeover of the movie 266 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: by the insurance company. But not all of the funny 267 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: stuff or the stuff that fans consider bad can be 268 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: can be chalked up to that. For example, many fans 269 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: apparently you know, the fans who thought it was weird 270 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: to introduce the sci fi elements and make the immortals aliens. 271 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: They would end up blaming that choice on the creative 272 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 3: takeover by the Bonding Company, but that is not the case. 273 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: The suits from the insurance company did not make up 274 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: the planet Zeist that's in the script. From what I 275 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 3: can tell, it seems like the choices made by the 276 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: Bonding Company consists more of like wrapping production without filming 277 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: major sceness and then trying to paper over those holes 278 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 3: with a bizarre Frankenstein edit, and also just like lots 279 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: of choices of I guess, like bad takes and terrible 280 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: looking visual effects shots and just you know, late stage 281 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: scriptory rights to change things up to just finish it faster. 282 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: And so I think this is one reason. Like in 283 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: the documentary they show some examples of how this is 284 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: a movie that has some great looking visual effects shots 285 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: and some great looking effects and sets in certain scenes, 286 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: and those will be contrasted almost immediately, like you'll cut 287 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: back and forth between stuff that looks great and stuff 288 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: that looks terrible. And apparently the at least some of 289 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: the crew involved in, people who were working on the 290 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: visual effects for the movie, chalk this up to the 291 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: Bonding Company. They say like that they came in and 292 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: they commissioned the you know, completion of the film with 293 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: these terrible looking visual effects and put those in, so 294 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: you've got those right next to stuff that looks really good, 295 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: and that would explain a lot of that weird contrast 296 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: when you're watching the movie. Apparently they also cut out 297 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that would have made sense of 298 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: the plot holes created by making the immortals aliens. So 299 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: you know, this movie it's like Swiss cheese. You could 300 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: poke a million holes and be like, none of this 301 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: makes sense with these plot innovations. Apparently it would make 302 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 3: more sense if we had a full film based on 303 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: the original script, because some of the differences are actually explained, 304 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 3: some of the gaps are actually explained. But we just 305 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: don't get that. 306 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you've been saying, like ultimately the filmmakers 307 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: themselves run from the Zeist concept, So yeah, we just 308 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: get even further and further away from some sort of 309 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: like concrete vision of what this film was meant to be. 310 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: But anyway, the fact that the planet Zeist stuff does 311 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: not come from the bonding company that is originally there, 312 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: it's just more to me that to take out the 313 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 3: Planet Zeist is to excise the beating heart from this film, 314 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 3: so so Highlander two. People, the people who are behind 315 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: making all these cuts, you've already made like four or 316 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 3: five of them, or however many there are. Give us 317 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 3: the ultimate Zeist cut, you know, give us the edit 318 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 3: that the release that looks great, has the updated picture 319 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 3: and sound and all that, but keeps all the Zeist 320 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 3: content and has the nice looking, the better selected visual 321 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: effects shots. Give us the ultimate cut that still has 322 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: Zeyist unless you've already done that and I'm simply not 323 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: aware of it, in which case I'm sorry. 324 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: I don't think they have because I feel like we've 325 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: wasted a lot of time looking for it. But but yeah, 326 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: and I'm up into open to whatever, Like put it 327 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: out as a single disc. I'll buy it. Put it 328 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: out as like the third disc in a multidisc release, 329 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: like Ultimate Release of Highlander two. You know, I'm fine 330 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: with that. You can even have an optional commentary track 331 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: where you you know, rip into it and talk about 332 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: everything wrong, as long as I have like just one 333 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: version of this that I can watch and you know, 334 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: in inacceptable quality, and you know, you know, we've already 335 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: touched on some of the problems with some of the effects. 336 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, just give me a solid z ice cut. 337 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: That's all I say. 338 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 3: All right, Rob, Now, we just started talking about the plot. 339 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: In the previous episode, we talked about the prologue with 340 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 3: the Shield. Do you want to jump back into the 341 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 3: plot or do you have anything to address first? 342 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: No, I think we just jumped right back into it. 343 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: We established the zeis well or did we What did 344 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: we establish? We established just the building of the shield, right. 345 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we'll do a real fast recap 346 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: of that. So the opening of the film is in 347 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 3: the year nineteen ninety nine, when the human race is 348 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: in dire peril due to the depletion of the ozone 349 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 3: layer and the resulting exposure of the Earth's surface to 350 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 3: deadly radiation from the sun or McLoud. The main character 351 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: of Highlander one, the victorious age old warrior who won 352 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 3: the game of Immortal Combat and achieved human mortality and 353 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: the ability to have children at the end of the 354 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: first movie. He uses his centuries of wisdom and presumably 355 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: also his magical ability to read minds, though the movie 356 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 3: doesn't really address this, to organize a team of scientists 357 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 3: to create the Shield, which is a giant geoengineering project 358 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: that forms a sort of laser net over the Earth's 359 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: atmosphere and protects the surface of the planet from the sun. 360 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 3: It looks kind of like a gigantic lightsaber blade blasting 361 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 3: out of a huge concrete pyramid and then it forms 362 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 3: a laser net in the sky, sort of connects with 363 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: a satellite somehow, and it shields us from the Sun. 364 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 3: And Connor and his scientist friend Alan Nayman they celebrate 365 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 3: their accomplishment. They have saved the world. This surely was 366 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: a good use of the prize, is. 367 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, what mornchy do you ask for? Seemingly save the 368 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: world and to some degree helped in sure peace. 369 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, happy ending, right at the beginning, But then we 370 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 3: cut to twenty five years later, two. 371 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 4: Eight year twenty twenty four. 372 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: That's right, I mean this is this was the perfect 373 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: time to really jump in and discuss Islander too. 374 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 3: On Weird House, so we see Christophe Lambert driving a car. 375 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 3: He's driving a convertible down a dark, wet street in 376 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 3: what looks is not great makeup and terrible old man makeup. 377 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: His face looks like a bowl of porridge. It's not great, 378 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 3: but we hear his voiceover, McLeod says, the shield twenty 379 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 3: five years ago it was our savior. But now no sun, 380 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 3: no stars, only heat and humidity. It drains the energy 381 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: from the whole world. We're falling apart, going backward old cars, 382 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 3: old planes, old dreams. The cure is worse than the disease. 383 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: Now already we have so much unpack like, well, why 384 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: are they using old cars, old planes, and old dreams 385 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: because of some sort of energy shortage? I mean, the 386 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: real answer is it lets them do this this kind 387 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: of neo noir look for the film, which I do 388 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: quite like, but it doesn't really make any sense where 389 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: it's like, we can't use a car that was made 390 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: post nineteen fifty three. Now. 391 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 3: I think they wanted to use some of these beautiful 392 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: old building facades from Buenos Aires, and they were like, 393 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 3: let's see, how do what everything looks old? Now? We'll 394 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 3: say for some reason, yeah, using old cars and planes, 395 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: what would that have to do with anything? 396 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: We also, when we're panning past, does some sort of 397 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: statue or something. There's this plaque that commemorates the shield, 398 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: and it has the dates nineteen ninety nine through twenty 399 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: twenty four on there and I was wondering, do they 400 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: just update it every year, like it's like, okay, it's 401 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: a new year, twenty twenty. Let's add that, like it's say, 402 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, no work injuries for X number of days, 403 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: sort of a thing. I don't know. Yeah, because there's 404 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: no indication that there are no plans to bring the 405 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: shield down in twenty twenty four, as we'll discuss, and 406 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: as we'll see. 407 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 3: Okay, so we see Connor driving as convertible through this 408 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 3: dark city, and we gathered that the world here is 409 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 3: now squalid, polluted and dark. The sky is always covered 410 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 3: with this shimmering, burnt orange aurora, in which shadowy triangles 411 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 3: and pyramid shapes appear. There are also in this world 412 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 3: just future punks everywhere. I love good future punk, and 413 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 3: here they're like on the sidewalks getting up to no good. 414 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 3: Connor is driving past them and like glancing nervously out 415 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: the windows of his car looking at them as he 416 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: drives by. We can hear them yelling. Then when we 417 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: actually see them, they're crowded around some kind of machine 418 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 3: that distributes gas through a face mask attached to a hose, 419 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: and they're like kicking and beating on the machine to 420 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 3: make it work and then taking turns huffing out of 421 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 3: the mask. Is this supposed to be a vending machine 422 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 3: for inhalance? 423 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: I don't know es your neighborhood huffing station. I'm not sure, 424 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: but yeah, there are a lot of wild boys in 425 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: the future for sure. 426 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, wild boys. Yeah. Then in the car, the 427 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: TV comes on. Great, this is one of those futuristic 428 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 3: old cars from twenty twenty four. It's an old car, 429 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: but it has a TV in the dashboard. 430 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: They have those now. 431 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: Yeah oo, it's exactly what cars need. Yeah. So Connor 432 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 3: is watching the news while driving and the news anchor 433 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 3: says that the Shield Corporation, which is the world's largest company, 434 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 3: was today accused of monopoly and price fixing. I was 435 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 3: just thinking, how do you do price fixing if your 436 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: product is the shield? Like who are the market competitors 437 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 3: of the Shield Corporation that they would be colluding with? Yeah, 438 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: other Shield companies and they're making an agreement to fix prices. 439 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: And it does seem like it's the same shield for 440 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: the entire planet. Like you can't you know, pick and choose, 441 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: like how much shield different regions are getting or there's 442 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: no indication or even a hint of how that would 443 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: be possible. 444 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they make other products too, Maybe the price 445 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 3: fixing is on whatever these these huffing stations. They also 446 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 3: say that the president of the Shield Corporation, Alan Nayman, 447 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: remember that was Connor's partner in creating the Shield twenty 448 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: five years ago, he could not be reached for comment. 449 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 3: And then they say that the Shield Corporation just posted 450 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 3: record profits. Oh and also there's a weather report. Tomorrow's 451 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 3: high is going to be ninety seven degrees fahrenheit. Sounds 452 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: like the low is also ninety seven degrees fahrenheit with 453 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 3: a humidity of ninety seven percent, same as every other day. 454 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: I mean, it's predictable, you know. Yeah, you know, you 455 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: know what to wear. There's not a lot of questions 456 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: about what you're gonna wear tomorrow, So we can say 457 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: that for it, at. 458 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 3: Least now here is a question I do have. So 459 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 3: Connor is like driving past these future punks and he's 460 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 3: like checking to see if his car doors are locked, 461 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 3: and the future punks are dancing aggressively at his car 462 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: as he goes past, next to their flaming steel garbage cans. 463 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 3: And I'm like, why would you have a flaming garbage 464 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 3: can in a world where there's like it's ninety seven 465 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 3: degrees And maybe they need it for light, I don't know, 466 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: but you don't need it for heat. 467 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this is always the question of any kind 468 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: of apocalyptic hellscape or or urban hell setting. It's why 469 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: are the garbage cans on fire? Maybe just because they 470 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: can be on. 471 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: Fire, right, Maybe they're cooking with it. 472 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, cooking up some assuming rat. 473 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 3: Some charproiled rat in the garbage can. Yeah, okay, So 474 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: where is Connor headed? He's going to the opera, of course. 475 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 3: And here's one of these cases where we were talking 476 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 3: about the contrast of like you'll have these bad looking 477 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 3: scenes and then great looking scenes. I feel like the 478 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: whole opera scene from the outside and the inside, the 479 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: set within a set, on the stage, the interior of 480 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 3: the opera, it's all beautiful. It has it does have 481 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: a somewhat derivative kind of blade runneriness about the sci 482 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: fi style, but it also it has a style of 483 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 3: its own, Like the opera has this red blinking neon 484 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 3: sign like an all night diner. It's a very weird choice, 485 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 3: but I think it looks really cool and inside it's 486 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 3: it's beautiful. So Connor is going to see this Vagnerian production. 487 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,479 Speaker 3: I think it's Actually he's watching Twilight with gods and 488 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 3: we hear this, you know, the sweet and tortured melodies 489 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 3: of a dying world, as the name John C. McGinley 490 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 3: pops up on the credits. By the way, just funny. 491 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: The set for this opera does look amazing. I haven't 492 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: seen a lot of operas, maybe only ever one opera 493 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: live and in full, and I have to say, give 494 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: me an opera with the said like this, I'll show up. 495 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 3: So we pan around the audience at the opera and 496 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 3: we see all the fancy people in the balconies sporting 497 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 3: their evening attire, and eventually we land on a private 498 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: box where Connor MacLeod sits sad and alone, dozing off 499 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 3: with his chin on his chest, until he is startled 500 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 3: awake by a voice echoing inside his head. It is 501 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 3: the voice of Sean Connery. And here, basically, right at 502 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 3: this moment in the American theatrical release, begins a truly 503 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: remarkable several minutes of film, one that I have essentially memorized. 504 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: Highlander two was one of the I've said this earlier, 505 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 3: but it was one of the first movies in this 506 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 3: sort of glorious failure genre that I ever came to appreciate. 507 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 3: And after I got my hands on my first VHS copy, 508 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 3: of course, I watched it with my friends lots of times. 509 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 3: But on top of watching the movie as a whole 510 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 3: lots of times, we've probably rewound the next few minutes 511 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 3: of the movie several times every time we watched it. 512 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 3: So this, this is kind of like a religious catechism 513 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 3: to me. Sean Connery says, Remember Highlander, Remember your home 514 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 3: another galaxy, you were chosen? Remember, And then the Wagner 515 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: music swells and the camera zooms in on Connor's face 516 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 3: in a weirdly unflattering off center shot. His eyes are 517 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: sort of half closed, his his fake gray hair is 518 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: lit up in a peculiar way by off camera lights, 519 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 3: and we hear his thoughts as he says, yes, yes, 520 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 3: I remember the beginning five hundred years ago on the 521 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: planet Zeist. 522 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is this is a moment where you know, 523 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: you can you can definitely feel fans dropping out because yeah, 524 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm tuning in, because I mean, either this is something 525 00:29:54,400 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: that Connor MacLeod conveniently forgot his entire time on Earth 526 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: throughout the first film, or he knew the whole time 527 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: and just it didn't factor into any of his thoughts 528 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: or actions or anything. And like either version, yeah, I 529 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: can see that being interpreted is kind of like a 530 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: cheap shot of the experience of the first film, you know, 531 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: and could even be seen as like cheapening, yeah, the 532 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: experience of the first film, But I don't know. It's 533 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: also one of the things to love about Highlander too. 534 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: It's so beautiful and then so there, like we were 535 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 3: saying about the differing, you know, quality of the textures 536 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: of the movie, the next thing they show us is 537 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 3: the planet Zeist, and what we get is a beautiful 538 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 3: matte painting of a big desert with mountains in the 539 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 3: background and the crescent Moon in the sky and some 540 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 3: kind of giant crashed airship in the desert. You know, 541 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: it looks like some kind of airship the size of 542 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 3: a skyscraper and it's just plowed into the sand of 543 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: the desert. Looks like almost like a relic, like it 544 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 3: could have been crashed there for a long time. And 545 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 3: the context is hilarious. But I think the Matt painting 546 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: looks so good. The fact that it looks so good 547 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 3: makes it even funnier, and like it's got a good 548 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 3: contrast in the shot with characters in the foreground as 549 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: these silhouettes covered up in desert clothing, you know, moving 550 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 3: down the hills into the airship. But it's a great 551 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 3: looking moment. 552 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the film has just made a very 553 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: wacky choice. And initially here at least, you know, it's like, 554 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: all right, this looks awesome. Let's give it a try, 555 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: let's see, let's see how it fits. 556 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 3: This is one moment where I can point out that, 557 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 3: like the Renegade cut, I think I've seen this, they 558 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 3: like change this to it's not the planet Zeist, of course, 559 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 3: because they cut that out entirely. This is supposed to 560 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 3: be sometime in the ancient past, right, so. 561 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,719 Speaker 1: We get an ancient city escape instead of that crash 562 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 1: spaceship or airship or whatever it is. 563 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: And I think it doesn't look as good. 564 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Well, I thought it 565 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: looked good, but it's not as interesting, and it just 566 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: raises all these questions because again you're about to see 567 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: some sequences where guys are clearly fighting with gas masks 568 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: and modern looking weapons and explosions. So to take it 569 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: away from an alien planet and put it into the 570 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: ancient past actually just creates more problems, yes, more logical 571 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: problems for the film. 572 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 3: Okay. Connor McLeod's voiceover goes on. He says, we planned rebellion. 573 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 3: We met in secret, always careful to avoid our deadly enemy, 574 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: General Katana. This is not a character that was mentioned 575 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 3: in the first movie, so this is brand new. So 576 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 3: we see a bunch of sweaty guys with like head 577 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 3: wrappings and desert cloaks gathering in the ruins of the airship, 578 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 3: and then Sean Connery walks out on a platform to 579 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 3: address them, and his speech goes as follows. He says, 580 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 3: free men of the planet Zeist, hear me. We gather 581 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 3: together in secret for the last time. You suffer under 582 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 3: the yoke of General Katana's rule for the last time, 583 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 3: and you stand without a leader for the last time, 584 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 3: and the people call out for Sean Connery to lead them. 585 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 3: You know Ramirez well, by the way, this character on Zeist, 586 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 3: his name is Ramirez on Zeist, and Connor MacLeod's name 587 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 3: is Connor MacLeod on zeist. Okay, yeah, so Ramirez says 588 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 3: he's not going to lead them, but he says, because 589 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 3: he sees with eyes different from theirs, he knows that 590 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 3: one among them has a great destiny. And the people 591 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 3: call out who is he show him to us, And then, 592 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 3: in what I think is probably one of the funniest 593 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 3: single shots in line deliveries in like all of cinema history, 594 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 3: Sean Connery draws his sword and he says, let him 595 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 3: show himself, let him feel the quickening. He waggles his 596 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 3: sword and lightning flashes, and then Ramirez, there's like a 597 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: folly of sort of electricity arcing. And then somehow every 598 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 3: turns and looks, and among them in the crowd is 599 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 3: Christophe Limberry's standing there with wind blowing in his hair 600 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 3: like he's in a Creed music video, and he looks 601 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,280 Speaker 3: very grave and heavy with the burden of this new responsibility, 602 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 3: and Sean Connery says, yes. 603 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: You, this is how the leaders of all great rebellions 604 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: are chosen, by the way, Yeah, just just sort of 605 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: randomly picked out of the crowd and like you, yep, 606 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: you're the one you're gonna leave the rebellion. That's just 607 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: how it works, yes, you. 608 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 3: And then it doesn't stop like it just goes so 609 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 3: fast straight into I guess we're about to see what 610 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 3: the quickening is as realized by this movie now Rob 611 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 3: quickly no pun intended. What was the quickening in the 612 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 3: First Highlander? 613 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: The quickening in the First Highlander also it felt a 614 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: little vague. It was something magical about connection between immortals, 615 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: and we basically hear about it the most in that 616 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: scene where where it really a nice scene where Ramires 617 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: and Connor, during the midst of all their training run 618 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,479 Speaker 1: on the beach, maybe while a horse is running, I think, 619 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: but you know, it's like I think about it whenever 620 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: I run on a beach. I'm like, yeah, the quickening, 621 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's like it was more of a feeling 622 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: than a codified lower thing. You know, it's about it's 623 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: about their relationship, it's about their bond, and this is 624 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: I guess trying to channel that as well into some 625 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: sort of like magical thing that connects them across time 626 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: and space, as we'll see. 627 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 3: Yes, So what happens next is Ramirez and McLeod sit 628 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 3: across from each other and dip their fingers into like 629 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 3: it's like a fun du pot for glowing magical energy. 630 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: They like dip their fingers in and they get some 631 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,439 Speaker 3: of the magic on their fingertips, and then they touch 632 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 3: their hands together and then there's like light that shoots 633 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 3: out of their hands. And Connor looks very again. He 634 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 3: looks very grave. He's like, oh no, what's happening. But 635 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 3: Ramirez is just grinning wildly, and he says, the ancient 636 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,479 Speaker 3: power of the Quickening has joined us. We are now 637 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 3: as one. 638 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know how this is going to result 639 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: in a successful rebellion, but you know, all right, fine, 640 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: we've done the quickening and now it's time to go 641 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: ahead and win this thing. 642 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 3: Right, that's right, So they got to go beat General Katana, 643 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 3: so right then, immediately explosions start popping off outside Ramire, 644 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 3: says Connor McLoud. He has to go defeat the general. 645 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 3: So we cut to a few fleeting shots of a 646 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 3: battlefield charge, a disastrous battlefield charge by the rebels. Connor 647 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 3: tries to rally them to coordinate the attack, but it 648 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 3: ultimately fails. This is where we're about to meet General Katana. 649 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 3: But I did just want to say about this battle scene. 650 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 3: It seems like this is one of the scenes that 651 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 3: was supposed to be a big, weird, beautiful, fascinating action scene, 652 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 3: like a massive action scene in this sci fi landscape. 653 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 3: I think in the documentary they referred to it as 654 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 3: like the Battle of the Valley of the Moon or something, 655 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 3: and they show these these concept sketches for it that 656 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 3: have all these strange rock formations and these aliens fighting 657 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 3: in weird costumes and all that. We don't really get 658 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 3: to see any of that. Instead, we just sort of 659 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 3: see some guys running in the sand and some things 660 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 3: blow up, and then it's over. 661 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Nothing you really haven't seen in other post apocalyptic 662 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: battle movies. They are just war movies in general. 663 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a shame because just based on the concept 664 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 3: sketches in the documentary, it looks like this could have 665 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 3: been a really beautiful, awesome looking sequence. But this is 666 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 3: where we first meet the villain of the movie, Michael Ironside, 667 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 3: playing General Katana. Now he stands over the battlefield. He 668 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 3: looks very pleased about all of his enemies being annihilated. 669 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 3: He says he wants Connor MacLeod and Ramirez captured. As 670 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 3: for everybody else, he wants their heads. 671 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: And Katana does look pretty awesome here. You know, he's 672 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: a little bit industrial metal but with a stylish dueling scar, 673 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: and he has this like long he has long, dark hair, 674 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: but he has the street of gray or white through it, 675 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: so it's a solid look, and you know it's Iron Side, 676 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: so he can definitely sell the menace. 677 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 3: So now Michael Ironside, who we just met seconds ago, 678 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 3: he has Connor mcleoud captured and held prisoner in this 679 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 3: kind of some kind of like office slash dungeons. It's 680 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 3: I guess Rob, I think you brought this up in 681 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 3: the last episode that this is a cool looking interior. 682 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is a really cool loo Consett. This 683 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: is definitely a scene that I recommend going back and 684 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: watching in like the highest picture quality possible. Like I 685 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: went back and watched this scene in the Renegade cut 686 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: just because it's it's just shot so well it looks great. 687 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. This is one of the examples of how 688 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 3: in the Renegade Cut, a lot of scenes that you 689 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 3: do get a glimpse of in the theatrical release do 690 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 3: look better in that version. But also The content of 691 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 3: what's happening in the scene is that, like General Katana 692 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 3: is giving a speech to an eel. He grabs an 693 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 3: eel out of the tank and he starts giving it 694 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 3: a you know, a good old like we're not so different, 695 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 3: you and I. And then he says, so deadly in 696 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 3: their own environment, so tame and servile in mine. I 697 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 3: think he means out of the water. And then Connor says, 698 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 3: maybe they're just waiting, and then Katana says waiting for what? 699 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 3: And then Connor says, for you to get careless. I 700 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 3: get what he's saying, but how would that apply to 701 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 3: an eel? 702 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It's wait, he looks good. It 703 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: looks good. 704 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 3: Okay, wait for you to fall asleep in the tank 705 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 3: where they can get you anyway. So General Katana demonstrates 706 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 3: his power by like squeezing the eel in his fist 707 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 3: until it basically he like cuts it in half and 708 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 3: it splats on the floor. Uh. And then it just 709 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 3: seems that General Katana is going to execute Connor MacLeod, 710 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 3: a resident of the planet zeised for his crimes against 711 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 3: the planet's iis. But instead we cut straight from this 712 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 3: to Connor and Ramirez standing in a dark hall with 713 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 3: some kind of priest of Zeist reading out their sentencing. 714 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 3: And so this priest, there's like several bald priests in 715 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 3: robes standing up on these huge pedestals like way above them, 716 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 3: and the priest says, leaders of the Rebellion, you have 717 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 3: been found guilty of treason. We hereby sentence you to 718 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 3: exile from Zeist. You will be sent to the planet Earth. 719 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 3: Once there, you will be immortal. You can only die 720 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 3: when your head is cut from your body. When one 721 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 3: of you becomes the last of us on Earth, he 722 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 3: will claim the prize. He can return to Zeist or 723 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 3: choose to grow old and die on Earth. 724 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, certainly a liberal and overly complex exile 725 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 1: process that also kind of functions like a loser's bracket 726 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: right in a tournament. So it's like all the people 727 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: that were enemies of our planet, they're sent away, but 728 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: then you compete against each other and then like the 729 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: most powerful of you can then come back and I 730 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: don't know, have another go at ruining the planet or whatever. 731 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I don't quite get it, but I don't know. 732 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just codified in their religious thinking and their traditions. 733 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 1: I don't know, fine enough, they've explained what's going on 734 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: in the first Highlander film. They've read cond it. Yeah, 735 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: we'll make do with it here. 736 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 3: But I love how Also they're literally they're getting their 737 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 3: you know, life in exile sentence read out and they 738 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 3: just start talking to Connor and Ramirez start like talking 739 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,760 Speaker 3: in class. Like Connor's like, will we be together on earth? 740 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 3: And Ramirez says not at first, but we're joined in 741 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 3: a way that can never be broken, not even by death. 742 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 3: And then he says, when you need me, you'll only 743 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 3: have to call my name. 744 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: Oh it's like like the friends in Labyrinth, you know 745 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: at the end, where Sarah can just call on them 746 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: and they come. 747 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 3: But why did we know this in the first movie. 748 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: No, when Rami is his dad in the first movie, 749 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: he's dead for centuries and there's no indication that he 750 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: could ever call out to his old friend, though he 751 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: clearly missed him. That's the thing, like, if he could 752 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: have done this, there would have been opportunities to do it. 753 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 1: But oh well. 754 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 3: Oh, and also Connor gives a solemn vow. He promises 755 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 3: that if he wins the prize, he'll be back back 756 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 3: to the planet Zeist. So remember that. That's a vow, 757 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 3: that's a promise. 758 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: Okay. 759 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 3: Oh also another thing to remember. Sean Connery just kind 760 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 3: of leans over at the end and he says, just 761 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,919 Speaker 3: remember the quickening. Okay, okay, oh God, no way, it's 762 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 3: not even over yet, because Connor then says it sounds 763 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 3: like magic, and then Ramirez says, well, it is a 764 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 3: kind of here's our first of many many references to 765 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 3: the Queen song. A kind of magic or some kind 766 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 3: of magic. Which is it. 767 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: It's a kind of magic. 768 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 3: It's a kind of magic. How many times do they 769 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 3: bring this up in the movie? 770 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: Oh? Way too many. I mean, it's a great song, 771 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,919 Speaker 1: we all love it, but they go to the well 772 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: a little too often on this. 773 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 3: I think they wanted to put a bunch of references 774 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 3: in there in case you didn't get some of them, 775 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 3: you could still get the others. 776 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: They should have referenced the other songs, though I don't 777 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: think they directly reference Princes of the Universe at all. 778 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: He could have said that he could just remember Highlander 779 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,240 Speaker 1: with Princes of the Universe. 780 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 3: Here we are born to be kings. 781 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: Exactly till your mother down, highlander. 782 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,879 Speaker 3: We will not let you go. 783 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 1: I want to break free. 784 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 3: So the priests say, prepare yourself. There can only be one. 785 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 3: And then the priests like lower swords, like they're knighting 786 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 3: them sort of, but they're standing way above them. And 787 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 3: then Connor and Ramirez get zapped by a big machine 788 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 3: that's like a like an exxeistorator, and General Katana looks 789 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 3: on angrily. I guess he did not get his way 790 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 3: at the sentencing here. 791 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not down with his cultures, very forgiving system 792 00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: of exile. 793 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 3: So next Connor wakes up in twenty twenty four on 794 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 3: Earth in the opera house. I guess all that was 795 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 3: a dream, a memory, you know, of his past. The 796 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 3: show is over and an usher is asking him to 797 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 3: leave the theater, and he's so old and weak and 798 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 3: feeble he can barely croak out a friendly response to 799 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 3: the usher. 800 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: In Michael Weldon's little review for this in The Psychotronic 801 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: Film Guides, he points out that it's a review where 802 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: he says, like, there's definitely some awesome stuff in this 803 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: in this film, but he's like, oh, it spends way 804 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,320 Speaker 1: too much time with Lambert convincingly playing an old Connor McLeod, 805 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: Yes and yeah, quibbles about the makeup aside, Like, he 806 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: does really sell this idea of here's your hero from 807 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: the first film, Old and Feeble. But there's going to 808 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: be payoff for that. There's going to be payoff. 809 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 3: It takes a third of the movie for him to 810 00:44:59,080 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 3: get hot again. 811 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 4: Oh. 812 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 3: Also, there's a scene here where we see like meanwhile 813 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 3: at the headquarters of the Shield Corporation. I remember, this 814 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 3: is a giant concrete pyramid surrounded by like rushing canals 815 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,800 Speaker 3: of water and armed guards. I think this is another 816 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,800 Speaker 3: thing that gets mixed up between the different cuts of 817 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 3: the film, because I believe originally more of the different 818 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 3: Shield Corporation locations were separate, discrete locations with different kinds 819 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 3: of buildings. But this cut just makes it look like 820 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 3: everything Shield related is taking place in the pyramid. So 821 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 3: at this pyramid we see a group of operatives sneaking 822 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 3: past security guards with grappling hooks and zip lines. What 823 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 3: is their purpose? Well, inside the facility, the infiltrators remove 824 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 3: their helmets and it's revealed that their leader is Virginia Madsen. Hey, 825 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 3: there she is, So what are they here for? It? 826 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 3: Is to hack the shield specifically to get into the 827 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 3: computer and find out what the readings above the shield are. 828 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 3: And it turns out they are normal, which is a 829 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 3: funny reveal. It's like a gasp moment, but just because 830 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 3: it says normal, so Virginia Madison says impossible, radiation levels 831 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 3: can't be normal. Then the infiltrators trigger the alarm and 832 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 3: security comes running, so Virginia Madison's crew has to They 833 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 3: flee and we see some very again, some very nice 834 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 3: sets and matte paintings as they run away. There's like 835 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 3: one shot you only see for a second, but it's 836 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:35,280 Speaker 3: like a walkway running over this deep, you know, column 837 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 3: shaped chasm with like beams running up and down the sides, 838 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 3: and you know, the actors are running across this walkway 839 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 3: way up above the pit in the foreground and it 840 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,359 Speaker 3: looks great, but it's just like a moment and then 841 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 3: it's gone, and then you see some other stuff that 842 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 3: looks not so good. 843 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this makes you look like they're on 844 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: the Industrial Death Star sort of a set. It looks good, 845 00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,919 Speaker 1: but yeah, then we're through with it. 846 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 3: So they split up. As they're running away, they're being 847 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 3: pursued by Shield Corporation mercenaries. Meanwhile, back in the city, 848 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 3: we follow Connor as he goes out to a bar 849 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 3: after the opera, and the city set here is so gross. 850 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 3: They did a great job of making this look like 851 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 3: just a disgusting place to live here under the Shield, 852 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,439 Speaker 3: Like the streets look like they're made out of wet newspaper, 853 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,760 Speaker 3: and they're like no colors apart from the neon signs 854 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 3: over businesses, which I think is also a nice touch. 855 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 3: It almost feels like kind of thematically meaningful that like 856 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 3: all of the buildings and the streets and the sky 857 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 3: and everything is like the same kind of gray brown 858 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,399 Speaker 3: mud to kind of color. And then the only other 859 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,360 Speaker 3: colors are just like lights that say like a bar 860 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,240 Speaker 3: or opera or you know, or show like advertisements. 861 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. I keep expecting Deran Duranz Simon Labon to walk 862 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: into frame here and start belding out some lyrics or 863 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, to rotate into frame strap to a windmill 864 00:47:59,000 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: or something. 865 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 3: Boys. 866 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,800 Speaker 1: Indeed, Yeah, but we are about to get some music though. 867 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 3: That's right. So in a restaurant, Connor puts a quarter 868 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 3: in a jukebox and he cues up a kind of 869 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 3: magic or it's a kind of magic by Queen. So 870 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 3: like we get a needle drop in the movie. Here 871 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 3: the song about Highlander two, I guess, or is it 872 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 3: about Highlander or Highlander two? 873 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 1: Oh it's from Highlander one. 874 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's right. Okay, So it's a callback. 875 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a callback. It's a great track. It's great 876 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,359 Speaker 1: to hear it again and does kind of like remind 877 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: us like, yeah, this is a Highlander movie. Gosh darn it. 878 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 3: But it's nice to know that within the story of 879 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 3: the movie, like it is diegetically the case that Queen exists, 880 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 3: and Connor is a fan of it's a kind of magic. Yes, 881 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 3: that's his, like, don't stop believing it's his jukebox tune. 882 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 3: So this is a bar where Connor is a regular. 883 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 3: He sits down for a drink. He knows the bartender. 884 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 3: He watches the news on TV and it's a report 885 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 3: that there has been a terrorist attack on Shield headquarters 886 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 3: by an eco terrorist group called Cobalt, led by a 887 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 3: woman named Louise Marcus. That's Virginia Madsen. 888 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we see. COBALT's call sign is essentially the Zodiac 889 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: killer symbol. For some reason. 890 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, nice selection there, and then the News interviews John 891 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 3: C McGinley, who was playing. They said earlier that Alan 892 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,319 Speaker 3: Naman was the president president of the Shield Corporation, but 893 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 3: here they say John C McGinley is the president of 894 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 3: the Shield Corporation, So I don't know what the deal is. 895 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 3: He says that any attempt to undermine the Shield is insane. 896 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,399 Speaker 3: Without it, every single human being on the planet would 897 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 3: instantly die. Connor's main reaction to the news is to 898 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 3: comment that the terrorist lady is pretty that's Virginia Madsen. 899 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 3: And also I think we learned, either here or maybe later, 900 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 3: that she used to work for the Shield Corporation before 901 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,800 Speaker 3: she became the eco terrorist. 902 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm increasingly struck by the fact that her character is 903 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,280 Speaker 1: essentially Gracie Law, the Kim Cattrell character from Big Trouble 904 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,280 Speaker 1: in Little China. You know, she's there. She's a spunky 905 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,280 Speaker 1: go getter, you know, a little bit of a hoxy 906 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: and female all you know, trope character, but also is 907 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 1: just ultimately there to be the love interest in the 908 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 1: long run. Gracie Law, to be clear, is a much 909 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 1: better defined character. 910 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 3: Gracie Law is a lot funnier. Yeah, Virginia Madsen has 911 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 3: some moments in this, but they're mostly like as we 912 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,880 Speaker 3: said in the last episode, she is sort of the 913 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,359 Speaker 3: human character who's here to process the mythology. So we 914 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 3: see her like working through, like she's getting all the 915 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 3: zised stuff explained to her and she's like, am I 916 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:31,919 Speaker 3: understanding this right? 917 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah. She's basically also there to be like like 918 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: wake up and get get excited about the B plot 919 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 1: and he's like, well, let me tell you about the 920 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,719 Speaker 1: A plot, and then we have conversations about that. 921 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 3: There you go, that's exactly right. Also, meanwhile, while like 922 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 3: Connor's inside looking at her on TV, she happens to 923 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 3: be changing out of her terrorist clothes in the street 924 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 3: wear in an alley outside the bar, and then she 925 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 3: like unfolds a piece of paper and the paper just 926 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:02,400 Speaker 3: says McLoud twenty third Street bar. Huh, how does she 927 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,320 Speaker 3: have that information? 928 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 1: Informants? I guess? 929 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,319 Speaker 3: And then a drunk lady tries to pick a fight 930 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 3: with Connor. She recognizes him by sight and tells him 931 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 3: that her life is bad and it's his fault, as 932 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,319 Speaker 3: she says, you covered the sky with that puke, and 933 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,319 Speaker 3: then she bashes him with a glass bottle, and so 934 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 3: in the world of this movie, like Connor is recognizable 935 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 3: by sight to just random members of the public and 936 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 3: they all hate him. So as Connor is leaving the barge, 937 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,440 Speaker 3: having just been bashed with a bottle, he's clutching his 938 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,799 Speaker 3: wounded arm, Virginia Madson just walks up to him in 939 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 3: the street and she says, Connor macloud, I am the 940 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,319 Speaker 3: terrorist woman you just saw on TV. Except I'm not 941 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 3: a terrorist. I've got business with you. And he tries 942 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 3: to brush her off and get in his car. He 943 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,799 Speaker 3: seems to he has lost his passion for peace and 944 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 3: harmony and doing good in the world. He just he 945 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 3: seems to just want to, you know, mind his own 946 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 3: business and be old and lonely. But she says, you know, 947 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,320 Speaker 3: I used to read about you. You had such great 948 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,719 Speaker 3: passion for the world. I admired you. I can see 949 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,879 Speaker 3: that's all gone now you're nothing but a tired old man. 950 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 3: And he tries to get in his car and drive away, 951 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,759 Speaker 3: but she just jumps in the car with him, and 952 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 3: then he drives away anyway, Like why is she hounding him? 953 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 3: I don't know. But they drive off and she says 954 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,799 Speaker 3: the world is dying, McLeod, I need your help. Then 955 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 3: suddenly a highly WTF cut, So we go straight from 956 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,480 Speaker 3: that conversation in the car to crazy rock formations in 957 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,200 Speaker 3: the desert, and a title says the planet Zeist And 958 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,160 Speaker 3: then we see Michael Ironside and he's just like Hinchminton. 959 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,879 Speaker 3: And a couple of guys walk up and these are 960 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,799 Speaker 3: a pair of pale birdlike men wearing welding goggles with 961 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,800 Speaker 3: porcupine quills for hair. 962 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,759 Speaker 1: Yes, major wild Boy energy to these two. I mean 963 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,400 Speaker 1: these two, yes, really could have just walked right out 964 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 1: of the Wild Boy's music video. 965 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,400 Speaker 3: General Katana says to them, you leave for the planet 966 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 3: Earth and media, find McLeod and kill him. The Benjamin says, 967 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,399 Speaker 3: but I thought you said McLeod was mortal and could 968 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,200 Speaker 3: never return. 969 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,319 Speaker 1: And this is actually an excellent and unaddressed point. So 970 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: on planet Zeis, everyone here seems to be a mortal 971 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,920 Speaker 1: as well, because Katana has not seemingly aged at all, 972 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,919 Speaker 1: these guys presumably are part of the Zeistian order from 973 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,720 Speaker 1: centuries prior as well. And yeah, it's like for some reason, 974 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,720 Speaker 1: Katana's saying, Okay, go find the guy that won the prize, 975 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,879 Speaker 1: and he's doing all this stuff and hasn't hasn't come 976 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 1: back to Zeist, is not in any way seemingly planning 977 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,439 Speaker 1: to or or working on interfering with our stuff. Here, 978 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 1: go back and kill him, and and they're like but 979 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,279 Speaker 1: why why now? Why are we doing this? And he 980 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,040 Speaker 1: just like slaps him around a little and like, go 981 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,799 Speaker 1: do it, you dummies. But why there's no reason for 982 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,640 Speaker 1: this to happen. There's never a reason for this to 983 00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: happen in the movie. 984 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 3: That's exactly right, Like why now? 985 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:00,759 Speaker 1: Why? 986 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 3: Why? 987 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I was thinking about this, Okay, assuming Katana 988 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,799 Speaker 1: wanted to interfere with the exile system and the you know, 989 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:14,600 Speaker 1: the game towards the prize, he would have done it 990 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 1: ages ago. And maybe the idea here is like, I know, 991 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 1: they wanted to get Clancy Clancy Brown in here to 992 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,040 Speaker 1: reprise the role of the Kurgan to some degree, So 993 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 1: maybe the idea is like, at some level, the Kurgan 994 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,400 Speaker 1: was like their dude that they sent back. It's like, okay, 995 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,040 Speaker 1: go win this prize thing so we don't have to 996 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,399 Speaker 1: worry about Connor. And he fails, But even then, it's 997 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 1: like that was the time to interfere. At this point, 998 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,279 Speaker 1: Connor won the prize and ended up not doing the 999 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,760 Speaker 1: thing you were afraid he was gonna do. No reason 1000 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,600 Speaker 1: to go back and kill him. 1001 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 3: Yes, that is what I've read that they wanted Clancy 1002 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 3: Brown to come back and play the Kurgan again to 1003 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 3: establish that the Kurgan, the villain of the first movie, 1004 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,839 Speaker 3: was another Hinchman of General Katanas, who had been sent 1005 00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,880 Speaker 3: there to kill Connor. But he was defeated. And but 1006 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,799 Speaker 3: still I wonder, like, why is it now in like 1007 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four on Earth where he's like, Okay, I'm 1008 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 3: ready to send two more guys. 1009 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've about outlived Connor McLeod. He is mortal, He's 1010 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,399 Speaker 1: going to die of mortal death. What does it matter, 1011 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 1: de Ist? 1012 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,400 Speaker 3: But Katana, like you said, he just kind of like 1013 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,000 Speaker 3: slaps these guys around and says find him, kill him, 1014 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,880 Speaker 3: and they nod, and then one of them cackles like 1015 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 3: one of those motions sensing Halloween decorations, you know, the 1016 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,239 Speaker 3: witch that cackles when you walk by. It sounds exactly 1017 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,520 Speaker 3: like that. Then they beam themselves to Earth, which is 1018 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 3: apparently instantaneous. So back on Earth, McLeod and Virginia Madson. 1019 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 3: They're still driving around and suddenly McLeod gasps for breath. 1020 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 3: Then again it's as if he can sense in his 1021 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,879 Speaker 3: guts whenever someone arrives from Zeist and Connor pulls over, 1022 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,080 Speaker 3: gets out of the car, and then the two porcupine 1023 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 3: bird henchmen are here, and they've got rocket boots or 1024 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 3: like a floating rocket skateboard that allows to fly, and oh, 1025 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,879 Speaker 3: one of them has wings on his back, and they 1026 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 3: sort of like they at the beginning, they like loaf 1027 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,560 Speaker 3: around in an alley way, arguing over who gets to 1028 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:15,080 Speaker 3: cut off McLeod's head. Again, Connor McLeod is his Zeis's name, 1029 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,680 Speaker 3: that's the name they know him from there, and then 1030 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 3: this fight kicks off, and man, I have so like 1031 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,600 Speaker 3: I think that the edit that is available does not 1032 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,560 Speaker 3: give the best does not show the best sides of 1033 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,600 Speaker 3: this fight very well. But actually, if you look at 1034 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,919 Speaker 3: the individual shots, this is a pretty great looking fight 1035 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,719 Speaker 3: scene and a lot of these stunts and effects are 1036 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,840 Speaker 3: quite impressive and do look good. 1037 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very ambitious. In my opinion, this is the 1038 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,600 Speaker 1: best part of the film. A truly awesome sci fi 1039 00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,760 Speaker 1: action set piece and sequence that really gives you everything 1040 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,640 Speaker 1: you want. Like, this is the part of the film 1041 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,160 Speaker 1: where you really feel like everyone's heart was in it. 1042 00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,920 Speaker 1: The vision was on point, the execution is mostly pitch perfect, 1043 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,600 Speaker 1: and I can quibble about one or two of the 1044 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,600 Speaker 1: effects towards the end. I'll come back to that, but otherwise, 1045 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: this is Highlander two at its best. This is the 1046 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,360 Speaker 1: thing in the trailers that pulled me in to Highlander 1047 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,200 Speaker 1: films in general. 1048 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. They actually talk about this in the documentary where 1049 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 3: they show how they achieved specifically the effect of Connor 1050 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,080 Speaker 3: McLeod riding the sort of I don't know, rocket skateboard 1051 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,400 Speaker 3: or whatever, the hoverboard, and it's a really cool effect 1052 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 3: because it really does look like he's floating in the 1053 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,440 Speaker 3: air and kind of riding it, like it's bouncing up 1054 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,040 Speaker 3: and down. And the way they achieved that was, you know, 1055 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,840 Speaker 3: they had him on a wire system, of course, but 1056 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 3: the board was strapped to his feet and they had 1057 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 3: it suspended from an elastic system, so the board would 1058 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,760 Speaker 3: actually sort of bounce up and down with the weight 1059 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,280 Speaker 3: of his body as it was adjusting and moving through 1060 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,000 Speaker 3: the air, and it creates a really cool looking effect. 1061 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:52,560 Speaker 3: It's great. 1062 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if anyone listening is not familiar with it. Essentially, 1063 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,640 Speaker 1: this is like the little hoverboard that the Green Goblin 1064 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,200 Speaker 1: uses in Spider Man Snyder Man movies. 1065 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,480 Speaker 3: And it's almost entirely like in camera effects. It's not 1066 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,960 Speaker 3: post production stuff. It looks great because they they what 1067 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 3: they were able to achieve on set looked great. But anyway, 1068 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 3: so during this fight, the two aliens from Zeis to 1069 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,560 Speaker 3: attack him, Connor seems to defend himself pretty well for 1070 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,200 Speaker 3: a guy who just seemed almost too weak to talk 1071 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,680 Speaker 3: earlier this evening. But I don't know, maybe the arrival 1072 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 3: of the guys from Zeist has sort of partially reinvigorated him, 1073 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,160 Speaker 3: given him back some of that immortal strength, and they 1074 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,840 Speaker 3: like fight. They go up a fire escape and they 1075 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,080 Speaker 3: start fighting on these catwalks that go over the city streets. 1076 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,760 Speaker 3: The guy from Zeist has a sword and at first 1077 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,720 Speaker 3: Connor is defending himself with just like a steel rod, 1078 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 3: like a metal bar. And I love the like these 1079 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,840 Speaker 3: henchmen are super weird, but they're very expressive. They keep 1080 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,760 Speaker 3: doing the witch cackling thing they like, stick their tongues 1081 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,160 Speaker 3: out grotesquely and they try to mock McLoud and these 1082 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,640 Speaker 3: weird high pitched voices. It's great. 1083 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there are a lot of fun I 1084 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,480 Speaker 1: mean they're just completely over the top. Uh. And and 1085 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 1: again I love the action and these sequences with old 1086 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,480 Speaker 1: man Connor, uh, you know, mustering up and just enough 1087 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,440 Speaker 1: energy to fight them off using a pipe against swords. 1088 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,280 Speaker 3: Now, what comes next, I think is also a quite 1089 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:22,880 Speaker 3: inspired action staging choice. You know, action choreography here is smart. 1090 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:23,520 Speaker 1: Uh. 1091 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,880 Speaker 3: They fall from the catwalk onto a passing train and 1092 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,880 Speaker 3: Connor they fight on the train. Then Connor manages to 1093 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,520 Speaker 3: knock one of the bird warriors off the train and 1094 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,440 Speaker 3: his body falls in just the right way so that 1095 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,640 Speaker 3: the wheels of the train remove his head. 1096 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he really lucked out on that one. But 1097 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,240 Speaker 1: it's a cool, cool moment. 1098 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:51,160 Speaker 3: And then the quickening. There's like the snakes of lightning 1099 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,200 Speaker 3: jumping out of the severed Zeistian head and then they 1100 00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 3: wrap around Connor and he screams and everything starts loading. 1101 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,680 Speaker 3: Nearby storefronts explode, paint cans and other garbage in the street. 1102 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,000 Speaker 3: It all explodes. A passing gasoline truck as like a 1103 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,760 Speaker 3: you know, the gas transport tankers. It explodes, and then 1104 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 3: the fireball envelopes Connor, and you're like, oh no, oh, no, 1105 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,520 Speaker 3: Connor must have been destroyed by this explosion, and the 1106 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,480 Speaker 3: remaining zeist Henchman clearly thinks that because he sees it 1107 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:28,440 Speaker 3: happen and he giggles triumphantly. But uh oh, Connor McLeod 1108 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,360 Speaker 3: walks out of the fireball from the gas truck and 1109 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,560 Speaker 3: we're back, friends. I think we are back in business. 1110 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,080 Speaker 3: Christoph Lambert is hot again, he looks like he's young again, 1111 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 3: and he is ready to fight. 1112 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,160 Speaker 1: This is the exact moment in the film at which 1113 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,880 Speaker 1: Princes of the Universe should have played. My number one 1114 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 1: criticism of the film is that is that Princes of 1115 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,439 Speaker 1: the Universe does not play at this moment. I would 1116 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,240 Speaker 1: also settle for some off album choices. They could have 1117 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,080 Speaker 1: gone with keep Yourself Alive, or if they wanted to 1118 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,960 Speaker 1: be a little cheeky, don't stop me Now. But it 1119 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:08,000 Speaker 1: needed it needed that, it needed that oomph. And it's 1120 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,560 Speaker 1: still it's still a very dramatic and nice moment because yeah, 1121 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,320 Speaker 1: he's back, he's young again, he's hot again, he's powerful 1122 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,920 Speaker 1: enough to take on this other assassin, this remaining assassin 1123 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,200 Speaker 1: from the planet's heist, and oh, and I want to 1124 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,480 Speaker 1: add the whole destructive quickening thing. I kind of forgot 1125 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,520 Speaker 1: that they also call that the quickening, Like the quickening is, 1126 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:29,560 Speaker 1: to my understanding, simultaneously both the transfer of energy between 1127 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:34,200 Speaker 1: a slain immortal and the immortal slayer and also running 1128 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,400 Speaker 1: on the beach with your best friend. Correct me if 1129 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm wrong highlight. 1130 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,720 Speaker 3: I can't correct you. Oh yeah, but fans maybe, Okay, 1131 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,840 Speaker 3: I trust you, Rob, I think you're right about that. 1132 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,000 Speaker 3: But can I go with another, uh maybe maybe more 1133 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,000 Speaker 3: oblique kind of queen song choice? I think they could 1134 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,960 Speaker 3: have done I'm in Love with my Car. You know 1135 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:53,439 Speaker 3: it's the right feeling. 1136 01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the feeling is key. It's I think 1137 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,600 Speaker 1: you'd want to go with like a nice building, heavier track. 1138 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Another one Bites the Dust I think could also work. Yeah, 1139 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean there are a number of great queen songs. 1140 01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,320 Speaker 3: Oh. Also, Virginia Madsen is peaking out of a dumpster 1141 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,360 Speaker 3: that I guess she hid in. I don't think we 1142 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,640 Speaker 3: see how she gets in the dumpster, but she like 1143 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,520 Speaker 3: looks out at Connor McLeod and she's obviously like, oh 1144 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:18,080 Speaker 3: he looks good now. And the second zeised Henchman starts 1145 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,960 Speaker 3: flying around on his wings, like swooping at Connor and 1146 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,840 Speaker 3: shooting at him with a blaster from Star Wars. But wait, 1147 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,880 Speaker 3: shouldn't the zeis Tinchman know that the blaster won't do 1148 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,200 Speaker 3: anything because Connor is once again immortal. 1149 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,080 Speaker 1: Well, he can't kill him with the blaster, probably, but 1150 01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,240 Speaker 1: he could wound him enough to have a better chance 1151 01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:36,160 Speaker 1: of cutting his head off. 1152 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,680 Speaker 3: I guess that. Okay, actually that does make sense. I 1153 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,800 Speaker 3: withdraw my criticism there. You're right. But Connor gets into 1154 01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,600 Speaker 3: the fight by putting on the other birdman's rocket boots. 1155 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,480 Speaker 3: So he's zooming around on the rocket boots. The other 1156 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,920 Speaker 3: guy's got the wings and it becomes an air joust 1157 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:51,840 Speaker 3: and it's great. 1158 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I legitimately love this whole sequence here. It's good. 1159 01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,760 Speaker 3: But there are also, like just some weird in this scene. 1160 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,800 Speaker 3: There are these weird little dialogue moments that I don't 1161 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,560 Speaker 3: know if they're quite firing on all cylinders. Like the 1162 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,360 Speaker 3: henchman yells say goodbye a highlander, But why does he 1163 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,880 Speaker 3: call him a highlander? That's just like random Earth topography. 1164 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,919 Speaker 1: I mean, his name's McLeod too, but yeah, it makes 1165 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:18,400 Speaker 1: no sense. 1166 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,720 Speaker 3: He says, say goodbye, highlander, and then Connor replies, why 1167 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 3: you going somewhere? 1168 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:24,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think they could have workshopped that 1169 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:25,520 Speaker 1: a little. 1170 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:30,160 Speaker 3: Okay, And then also the bird henchman randomly incinerates. Just 1171 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,080 Speaker 3: there's a guy on the sidewalk who asks this alien 1172 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,160 Speaker 3: if he has a light and then he just blows 1173 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:35,600 Speaker 3: him up. 1174 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 1: Okay, this is a great moment. This is perfect. 1175 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,280 Speaker 3: No notes on that, but anyway, Connor manages to decapitate 1176 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 3: the second Zeist fighter here with a clothes line trap 1177 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,720 Speaker 3: made out of electrical wire. 1178 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, this moment is still awesome, but this is the 1179 01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,800 Speaker 1: moment where I feel like the effects could have been 1180 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,920 Speaker 1: a little bit tighter. It could have moved a little faster. 1181 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,120 Speaker 1: Still great, but I see where like maybe they didn't 1182 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,280 Speaker 1: hit exactly where they envisioned. 1183 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,040 Speaker 3: I agree, But okay, so Connor, he's defeated the two 1184 01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,400 Speaker 3: aliens from Zeis. Now he gets quickening once again. He 1185 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,680 Speaker 3: gets all the lightning coming up on him and things 1186 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,400 Speaker 3: blowing up, and he's just like flowing with that immortal energy. 1187 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,800 Speaker 3: And when he does, he drops to his knees in 1188 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,480 Speaker 3: the middle of the street and screams into the sky. 1189 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:29,240 Speaker 3: Ram next thing, we're on stage at a play in 1190 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,840 Speaker 3: a theater in Scotland. It's a performance of Hamlet, and 1191 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:38,280 Speaker 3: Sean Connery zaps into existence in the middle of the actors. 1192 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,480 Speaker 3: This descends into what I think is a fairly cringey 1193 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,280 Speaker 3: comedy scene where Sean Connery starts talking to the actors 1194 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,760 Speaker 3: mischievously while they're trying to perform, and they're like running 1195 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,440 Speaker 3: around the stage trying to escape him while reciting their lines. 1196 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,040 Speaker 3: And I think the joke is like, oh, Ramirez has 1197 01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,320 Speaker 3: no idea what's going on. He doesn't know what a 1198 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,480 Speaker 3: play is. But like hundreds of years ago, when Ramirez 1199 01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,200 Speaker 3: was alive, there were plays. Plays existed then. 1200 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ramirez, who we know traversed multiple cultures, absorbing their 1201 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:17,200 Speaker 1: cultures and sometimes their accents at every turn. Yeah, he 1202 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,600 Speaker 1: knows what a play is. Just this is just beyond ridiculous. 1203 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,120 Speaker 3: Also, the audience loves Ramirez. He's here disrupting this play 1204 01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,800 Speaker 3: and like like making fun of the actors, and the 1205 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,120 Speaker 3: audience is eating him up. They're like, get off of here, Hamlet, 1206 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:43,800 Speaker 3: I want more Ramirez ridiculous, So we will continue to 1207 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,959 Speaker 3: get some more frankly pretty cringey fish out of time 1208 01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,200 Speaker 3: gags with Sean Connery, like he walks into the street 1209 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,640 Speaker 3: somewhere in Scotland and he almost gets hit by a 1210 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,560 Speaker 3: truck and then mutters to himself, so much for the 1211 01:05:55,600 --> 01:06:01,440 Speaker 3: horse and caught what okay? And then back in wherever 1212 01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 3: Connor is? Do they say where Connor is this in 1213 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,800 Speaker 3: the future. I don't know, Shield City. I'm not sure 1214 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:13,000 Speaker 3: Shield City. Connor is explaining to Virginia Madsen the whole thing. 1215 01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,920 Speaker 3: You know, I was banished from the planet Zeis five 1216 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,280 Speaker 3: hundred years ago, I cannot die, et cetera. And then 1217 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:22,600 Speaker 3: they just kiss passionately. That's absolute. We said this in 1218 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,160 Speaker 3: the last episode, but this has got to be one 1219 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:29,360 Speaker 3: of the most unearned romances in movie history. They just 1220 01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,680 Speaker 3: met moments ago, and their meeting was entirely business. There 1221 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,520 Speaker 3: was had nothing like, no initial connection whatsoever. But he 1222 01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,120 Speaker 3: just got quickening and now he's young and good looking 1223 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,400 Speaker 3: and now they're just smooching. 1224 01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean, I referenced Gracie Law 1225 01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,040 Speaker 1: Kim Katrall's character from Big Trouble and Little China earlier, 1226 01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,640 Speaker 1: but at least in Big Trouble Little China, which I 1227 01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,680 Speaker 1: still hold up as being pretty great. You do get 1228 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:59,520 Speaker 1: development of the relationship, the romantic tension between Jack Burton 1229 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,360 Speaker 1: and Grace Law. It is ultimately earned that they fall 1230 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:04,959 Speaker 1: in love with each other at least for a little 1231 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,800 Speaker 1: bit or something like love, you know, but yeah, it's 1232 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,160 Speaker 1: totally unearned here. But does this not the kind of 1233 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,480 Speaker 1: movie where you necessarily expected I guess. 1234 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. There's not a moment of romantic tension at all 1235 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,640 Speaker 3: between them until like the kissing starts. Basically anyway, then 1236 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,240 Speaker 3: they're back at Connor's pad. And by the way, look 1237 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,800 Speaker 3: a look at the I've got a screenshot of his apartment. 1238 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,560 Speaker 3: It's full of like these giant marble statues. Inside the apartment, 1239 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:30,920 Speaker 3: it looks like a train station. 1240 01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, call back 1241 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,520 Speaker 1: to the first film in which his home is kind 1242 01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,080 Speaker 1: of like a museum because his life is like this 1243 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,439 Speaker 1: museum and all these memories and so forth. 1244 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:47,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's this is the scene where Louise is like, Okay, 1245 01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,480 Speaker 3: let me just see if I can get this straight. 1246 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,800 Speaker 3: You come from another planet. You're mortal there, but you're 1247 01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,120 Speaker 3: immortal here until you kill all the guys from there 1248 01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,360 Speaker 3: who have come here. And then you're mortal here unless 1249 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,280 Speaker 3: you go back there or some more guys from there 1250 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,920 Speaker 3: came here, in which case you become immortal here again. 1251 01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,479 Speaker 3: And then Connor says in his with his wonderful little 1252 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:15,160 Speaker 3: voice and chuckle something like that, and she expresses disbelief. 1253 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,040 Speaker 3: And then Connor love these adding up here. He says, 1254 01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,160 Speaker 3: let's just say it's a kind of magic. 1255 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,519 Speaker 1: Just repeat to yourself. It's just a show. 1256 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:33,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But anyway, so Louise tells Connor that, oh, 1257 01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,880 Speaker 3: you're back to business. We got to remember. The whole 1258 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,080 Speaker 3: reason we met is she's like, I need your help 1259 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,160 Speaker 3: with the shield. We got to save the earth. She's like, 1260 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:44,200 Speaker 3: something's wrong with the shield. The B plot is something's 1261 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,160 Speaker 3: going wrong. They're hiding something and you've got to help 1262 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:47,960 Speaker 3: me expose it. 1263 01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,720 Speaker 1: And again I want to point out that Katana had 1264 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,599 Speaker 1: zero stake in all of this, like this would ultimately 1265 01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,240 Speaker 1: everything would make more sense if there was any connection 1266 01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,080 Speaker 1: between A plot and B plot here if Katana for 1267 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,760 Speaker 1: some reason didn't want like the shield to come down. 1268 01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,360 Speaker 1: But there's there's nothing on that. We would have to 1269 01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,400 Speaker 1: sit here and speculate all day to figure out how 1270 01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,840 Speaker 1: to connect these two plots and again make it it 1271 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,800 Speaker 1: all sensible for Katana to send goons to Earth to 1272 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:14,679 Speaker 1: take out Connor. 1273 01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,120 Speaker 3: Now, what if, for all I know, this could have 1274 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,160 Speaker 3: been in the script at some point, But what if, 1275 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:25,120 Speaker 3: for example, the shield being in place prevented Zeistians on 1276 01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:26,839 Speaker 3: Earth from leaving and returning? 1277 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,639 Speaker 1: Desist they're all dead though. 1278 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,800 Speaker 3: There's well, yeah, but if he wanted Connor to not 1279 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,280 Speaker 3: come back, he would want the shield to stay in place. 1280 01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,280 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I guess that could have worked had they 1281 01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:38,000 Speaker 1: established it. 1282 01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,960 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, yeah, throwing ideas out there. 1283 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,479 Speaker 1: There are ways they could have and maybe in some 1284 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,519 Speaker 1: version of the script they did address this, but we 1285 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:49,320 Speaker 1: don't get it here. 1286 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,160 Speaker 3: Okay. So here, Connor goes to visit his old friend 1287 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,559 Speaker 3: and partner Alan Nayman. They created the shield together, and 1288 01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,400 Speaker 3: Alan is shocked at how good Connor looks. He's like, 1289 01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:03,439 Speaker 3: did you get a facelift? Also, Allan's office here, I'm 1290 01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,840 Speaker 3: a pretty big fan of it. This is one of 1291 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 3: the offices where the only light source is moonlight shining 1292 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,360 Speaker 3: in through a window where there is like a thirty 1293 01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,960 Speaker 3: foot fan spinning constantly outside right outside the window, and 1294 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,799 Speaker 3: the silhouettes of the blades are just going round and round, 1295 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,720 Speaker 3: so the light in the room is crazy. 1296 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, this is like total Russell McKay music video style. 1297 01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,080 Speaker 1: You expect to like pan over and there's Simon Labon 1298 01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,559 Speaker 1: in the chair. We're in a fedora and he's gonna 1299 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,240 Speaker 1: start belding out some Duran Duran tins looks great. 1300 01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,040 Speaker 3: Also at this meeting, Alan shares with Connor that the 1301 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,880 Speaker 3: radiation levels above the shield are normal, but John C. McGinley, 1302 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,920 Speaker 3: the Bad Shield executive, is spying on them from the 1303 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,160 Speaker 3: next room. So this seems to be a corporation where 1304 01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,679 Speaker 3: the CEO stays late to personally spy on employees rather 1305 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:56,120 Speaker 3: than having like software subordinates do it for him. McGinley 1306 01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,560 Speaker 3: then comes into the room and Connor starts like needling 1307 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:01,320 Speaker 3: about how. 1308 01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,000 Speaker 4: What if one day the Shield doesn't need it anymore? 1309 01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:08,200 Speaker 4: Your profits would dry up? So it's like he's just 1310 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,720 Speaker 4: Connor seems to be like wrapping out his friend who 1311 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,000 Speaker 4: just told him about this in confidence. 1312 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,960 Speaker 3: Next we cut to the planet Zeist and then we 1313 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,560 Speaker 3: see Michael Ironside just standing in a cave by himself 1314 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,000 Speaker 3: and he says, I guess if you want something done, right, 1315 01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,920 Speaker 3: you have to do it yourself. So then he goes 1316 01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:28,439 Speaker 3: to Earth. 1317 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, he also would get the like his sci fi 1318 01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:36,680 Speaker 1: techno sword goes shashing to sell this, which I have 1319 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,559 Speaker 1: to admit looks pretty cool. And I also have to 1320 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,679 Speaker 1: point out this is also pretty much the exact post 1321 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,720 Speaker 1: credit Thanos sequence from the Age of Ultron movie. It 1322 01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,840 Speaker 1: would come, you know, decades later, except with Thano's grabbing 1323 01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,000 Speaker 1: an Infinity Gauntlet instead of making his sword go shashing. 1324 01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,080 Speaker 3: Oh that's funny. I wonder if they got it from 1325 01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:55,719 Speaker 3: this maybe. 1326 01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, because it's like I had to go back 1327 01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,240 Speaker 1: and look at it. It's pretty much the exact same thing, 1328 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,120 Speaker 1: Like Dano is like, you've go want something done, you 1329 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,000 Speaker 1: got to do it yourself, and then that sets up 1330 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:04,599 Speaker 1: him doing it himself. 1331 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,240 Speaker 3: But speaking of so, you brought up a way in 1332 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,519 Speaker 3: which General Katana's motivations don't make a lot of sense 1333 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,719 Speaker 3: when he gets like all wrapped up in the Shield 1334 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,360 Speaker 3: Corporation drama, which matters to him in no way whatsoever. 1335 01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,920 Speaker 3: But he gets tied up in that he is just 1336 01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,639 Speaker 3: off task in lots of ways because the first thing 1337 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,679 Speaker 3: General Katana does when he arrives on Earth is hijack 1338 01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,680 Speaker 3: a subway car to no end whatsoever. It's just like 1339 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:29,559 Speaker 3: because he wants to. 1340 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy's not supposed to be like just the 1341 01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,439 Speaker 1: reckless enforcer that the loose cannon. He's supposed to be 1342 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,639 Speaker 1: the mastermind. Like this is the big bad, like Thanos 1343 01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,479 Speaker 1: doesn't come to Earth in the Marvel movies and just 1344 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,120 Speaker 1: like I love recking casinos. No, he's got an agenda. 1345 01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,080 Speaker 1: He's got things he definitely wants to do, and he's 1346 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,599 Speaker 1: gonna mess with you if you get in the way 1347 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,280 Speaker 1: of those goals. Katana doesn't operate like. 1348 01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,840 Speaker 3: That, right, So he like beams down into a subway car. 1349 01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:01,559 Speaker 3: He says, this doesn't look like Kansas. Great, great reference 1350 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:02,559 Speaker 3: for Zeist culture. 1351 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:03,760 Speaker 1: They love Wizard of Us. 1352 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he then he kills a random passenger 1353 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,599 Speaker 3: on the train. Then he goes up to a kid 1354 01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,000 Speaker 3: and he says, bet you've always wanted to drive one 1355 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,519 Speaker 3: of these, haven't you? And the kid's like yeah, and 1356 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,400 Speaker 3: then he goes me too. Then he goes up to 1357 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,719 Speaker 3: the front of the subway car, conks out the driver, 1358 01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,839 Speaker 3: hijacks the train, and then like he makes the aphex 1359 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,879 Speaker 3: twin face as he pushes the speed up to hundreds 1360 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,559 Speaker 3: of miles per hour and then crashes through the side 1361 01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:31,120 Speaker 3: of a building. 1362 01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,559 Speaker 1: More more train wrecks Center train wreck of the movie, right. 1363 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,160 Speaker 3: And then we get these these weird General Katana Connor interactions. 1364 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,200 Speaker 3: We see Connor going to visit the grave of his 1365 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,640 Speaker 3: earth wife, which is in some kind of urban cathedral, 1366 01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,840 Speaker 3: and then General Katana is just there to sarcastically slow 1367 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:55,679 Speaker 3: clap after Connor finishes, saying a few words and another 1368 01:13:55,720 --> 01:14:00,000 Speaker 3: interesting choice. Ironside is just in full clown mode here. 1369 01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,439 Speaker 3: He's like kissing on a statue of an angel and 1370 01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:07,120 Speaker 3: he's making these quips he says to Connor after Connor's 1371 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,840 Speaker 3: talking to his wife's grave, and Katana says, I always 1372 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,680 Speaker 3: did admire a man who can talk to the dead. 1373 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,439 Speaker 3: And then he says, the remains of your mortal wife 1374 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:21,799 Speaker 3: so frail, so earthly, so very dead, And Connor says, 1375 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,520 Speaker 3: at least she's at peace. Katana says peace is highly overrated, 1376 01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,800 Speaker 3: and then Connor says things don't change. Katana, I like that, 1377 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:37,200 Speaker 3: after all these years, you're still a jerk, a jerk. 1378 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,080 Speaker 3: But then they also say they can't they know they're 1379 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,920 Speaker 3: gonna have to fight, but they say they can't fight 1380 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,120 Speaker 3: here because of quote the Golden Rule, which is that 1381 01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,280 Speaker 3: we must never fight on holy ground. 1382 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. This is something, of course established in the first 1383 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,240 Speaker 1: Highlander movie. And they do kind of try to address 1384 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,280 Speaker 1: one problem that emerges and concerning all this in Highlander three, 1385 01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,160 Speaker 1: and that is, okay, it's one thing for Connor and 1386 01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,640 Speaker 1: other like, you know, some degree like chaotic good or 1387 01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:06,240 Speaker 1: neutral good immortals to honor this rule, I guess. But 1388 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,960 Speaker 1: why do all these like clearly chaotic evil immortals care 1389 01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,880 Speaker 1: about the Golden rule concerning holy spaces? So credit to 1390 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,320 Speaker 1: Highlander three. I won't spoil anything, but they do at 1391 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,639 Speaker 1: least address that a little bit in that picture. 1392 01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,240 Speaker 3: Oh okay, you know, I have to watch Highlander three someday. 1393 01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:24,240 Speaker 3: I never made it that far. 1394 01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,519 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's I remember, it's being fun. It's fun. 1395 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:32,000 Speaker 1: It's got Mario van Peebles place the new villainous immortal, 1396 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,240 Speaker 1: which I believe the whole idea is, Oh, Connor, you 1397 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,800 Speaker 1: didn't win the prize after all, because there were three 1398 01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,320 Speaker 1: immortals that were trapped in a cave in somewhere and 1399 01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:42,760 Speaker 1: oh they just dug them. 1400 01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,960 Speaker 3: Out perfect completely ignores Holander two, right. 1401 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,599 Speaker 1: Right, I guess technically occurs before Highlander two, but also 1402 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:50,160 Speaker 1: ignores it. 1403 01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,120 Speaker 3: And then meanwhile, back in Scotland with Ramirez who has 1404 01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:57,439 Speaker 3: been reincarnated, we get a comedy makeover scene. I love 1405 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,000 Speaker 3: that they included this in the movie. So Sean Connery 1406 01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,040 Speaker 3: goes into a men's tailor shop and he gets fancy 1407 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,080 Speaker 3: modern clothes and they're like custom made. He played pays 1408 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:11,760 Speaker 3: for them with a pearl ear ring. I guess there's 1409 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,559 Speaker 3: just more use of Ramirez for comic relief, more fish 1410 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,559 Speaker 3: out of time stuff, like before he goes in, he 1411 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,960 Speaker 3: looks at TVs and a shop window and he is 1412 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,360 Speaker 3: amazed about the concept of airplanes. 1413 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. I seem to recall reading that a lot of this, 1414 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,479 Speaker 1: the Scotland stuff, was Connery's doing, Like I'll do it, 1415 01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:27,880 Speaker 1: but there need to be some scenes that are shot 1416 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,759 Speaker 1: in Scotland. And I don't know if he had any 1417 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,160 Speaker 1: influence over the flavor of these sequences, but you can 1418 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,760 Speaker 1: imagine that as like, all right, if we're gonna we're 1419 01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,040 Speaker 1: gonna shoot these extra days. I want one day where 1420 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,479 Speaker 1: I'm just getting fitted for a suit while I drink Scotch. 1421 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:41,920 Speaker 1: That's the whole scene. 1422 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,880 Speaker 3: I got it. He does look sharp. He looks great 1423 01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:47,040 Speaker 3: in the suit they give him. 1424 01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he does. Yeah, i'd say. In general, though, 1425 01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,439 Speaker 1: Ramirez lacks the authentic charisma that he had in the 1426 01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,000 Speaker 1: first film, though, you know he's He's more of a 1427 01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,280 Speaker 1: comic relief character here, except for some key dramatic moments. 1428 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. So he then gets on an airplane to go 1429 01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,360 Speaker 3: I guess to America to find Connor, and he flirts 1430 01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,360 Speaker 3: with the woman in the seat next to him. There 1431 01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:13,160 Speaker 3: are some jokes about airplane food that somehow morph into 1432 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:17,479 Speaker 3: sex jokes. That's all yuck, yuck. But also in this 1433 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,000 Speaker 3: part there is a part that's supposed to be funny 1434 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:24,280 Speaker 3: and does genuinely work. It's quite hilarious when Ramirez watches 1435 01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,719 Speaker 3: an aviation safety film on the video screen in front 1436 01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,160 Speaker 3: of him. That is quite funny. 1437 01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,639 Speaker 1: I didn't care for it, no, but it is kind 1438 01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,720 Speaker 1: of like it's very much of the sort of RoboCop 1439 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,840 Speaker 1: vibe of parity, which I do admire. Isn't there another 1440 01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,479 Speaker 1: sequence like this that maybe Katanovius, maybe it's a different 1441 01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:49,040 Speaker 1: cut of the film where it's like a chef, like 1442 01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,200 Speaker 1: psychic chef or something. What was the. 1443 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,760 Speaker 3: Oh, I think that's in another cut of the film. 1444 01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,679 Speaker 3: I think that's not in the American version. But yeah, 1445 01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,559 Speaker 3: there are like these weird media segments that are kind 1446 01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,879 Speaker 3: of robocopy, Yeah. 1447 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,880 Speaker 1: Which I admire, and I would say that one's worth 1448 01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,240 Speaker 1: checking out. I just can't remember what it was. It's 1449 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:11,599 Speaker 1: something like Psychic Chef or it's dumb but amusing, Yeah, 1450 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:12,360 Speaker 1: Psychic Chef. 1451 01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,640 Speaker 3: The joke is that the aviation Safety movie that's like 1452 01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,519 Speaker 3: you know where the emergency exits are and stuff on 1453 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,680 Speaker 3: the plane is like actually incredibly violent and terrifying. 1454 01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,519 Speaker 1: Yeah. At any rate, the successfully flies all the way 1455 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,320 Speaker 1: to wherever Shield City is, so that and we don't 1456 01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:30,640 Speaker 1: see the rest of it. We don't see him going 1457 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:36,280 Speaker 1: through customs. We don't see arranging a travel figuring out 1458 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,360 Speaker 1: exactly where Connor is. I mean, he's got the quickening, 1459 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,160 Speaker 1: so I guess he can zone in on him. 1460 01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. Oh, I'd love to see him going 1461 01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:45,640 Speaker 3: through customs. But oh, speaking of things to declare, there 1462 01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:49,479 Speaker 3: is a scene where Virginia Madsen's like wandering around Connor's apartment, 1463 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,439 Speaker 3: goes through all this old stuff and know, and it's showing, Oh, 1464 01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,439 Speaker 3: he's lived for centuries. He played football, he sailed on 1465 01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:59,240 Speaker 3: the high seas. Here's his nineteen oh one football team picture, 1466 01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,400 Speaker 3: and there's a suit of armor in there, and like 1467 01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:06,439 Speaker 3: old bottles of wine and all that. Also in this room, 1468 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,679 Speaker 3: is that a Confederate flag in there? 1469 01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,320 Speaker 1: Connor Well, I bet he took that off of Confederate troops. 1470 01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:16,200 Speaker 1: I don't remember, but there. I don't remember where all 1471 01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,599 Speaker 1: this lands, but I know there were some deleted scenes 1472 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,599 Speaker 1: in the for The First Highlander in which he fights 1473 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:25,000 Speaker 1: the Nazis, so I'm guessing he fought for the Union 1474 01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:26,120 Speaker 1: during the Civil War. 1475 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,240 Speaker 3: There's also a scene in here where General Katana rides 1476 01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:33,519 Speaker 3: in a cab. He's like, uh, well, so the cab 1477 01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,920 Speaker 3: driver loves General Katana. When he gets in, he's like, whoa, 1478 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,360 Speaker 3: you're like a heavy metal dude. WHOA, you're so you're 1479 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,200 Speaker 3: out of control. 1480 01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,280 Speaker 1: You're in the music business, aren't you. 1481 01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:48,559 Speaker 3: Katana is like, it's quite comfortable back here, like a coffin. 1482 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:54,439 Speaker 1: What does Katana even like is what is this guy about? 1483 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,439 Speaker 1: It's just bad, that's all he is. 1484 01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,519 Speaker 3: Yeah it So he's like, oh yeah, And then when 1485 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,000 Speaker 3: they arrived at his destination, he just starts destroying the cab, 1486 01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,400 Speaker 3: like he stabs his sword through the window and he 1487 01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,479 Speaker 3: gets out and he kicks out the headlights and stabs 1488 01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,120 Speaker 3: the tires, and the whole time the driver, the taxi 1489 01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:25,600 Speaker 3: driver is going like awesome. But anyway, where was the 1490 01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:26,439 Speaker 3: cab taking him? 1491 01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:26,679 Speaker 1: Why? 1492 01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,840 Speaker 3: It's Shield Corporation headquarters. So Michael Ironside walks into a 1493 01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,519 Speaker 3: board meeting with John C. McGinley and he starts just 1494 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,720 Speaker 3: choking people and he says, I'd like to join your 1495 01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:41,559 Speaker 3: human corporation? Where do I sign up? And they try 1496 01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,320 Speaker 3: to have like a guy in the suit shoot him, 1497 01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:44,959 Speaker 3: but man, he's immortal. 1498 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:45,439 Speaker 1: Whoops. 1499 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,880 Speaker 3: Also, there are more jokes and references that don't make 1500 01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,519 Speaker 3: any sense, like General Katana gets up after being shot 1501 01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,720 Speaker 3: and he says, yes, you know, guys, this is no 1502 01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,240 Speaker 3: way to treat your number one draft choice. It's like, 1503 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:00,679 Speaker 3: is that a foot metaphor? 1504 01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,559 Speaker 1: I guess they have football on Zeist? 1505 01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,559 Speaker 3: So I think based on this scene, General Katana is 1506 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,360 Speaker 3: now CEO of the Shield Corporation. 1507 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,879 Speaker 1: You know, I bet what happened is they had football 1508 01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:16,440 Speaker 1: on Zeist and who invented football on Earth? But immortals? 1509 01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:17,479 Speaker 1: Probably Connor did it. 1510 01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,960 Speaker 3: That makes so much sense, yes, but somehow, like General 1511 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,480 Speaker 3: Katana getting tangled up with the Shield Corporation and seemingly 1512 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,680 Speaker 3: becoming John C mcginley's partner, like accelerates them in just 1513 01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:35,120 Speaker 3: doing general badness. So John C McGinley goes into Alan 1514 01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:39,200 Speaker 3: Nayman's office from naming his Connor's old friend, and he's like, 1515 01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,519 Speaker 3: he's like, okay, I know you. You're telling people that 1516 01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,160 Speaker 3: the radiation levels are normal. I'm gonna throw you in 1517 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:49,679 Speaker 3: Shield jail, which exists. Let me get some brief character 1518 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,160 Speaker 3: moments where like Virginia Madsen is asking Connor about his 1519 01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,400 Speaker 3: previous wives and Connor is talking about them, but then 1520 01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,559 Speaker 3: they get interrupted when Connor senses a present nearby and 1521 01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,360 Speaker 3: a shadowy figure emerges, and Connor and this figure duel 1522 01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,000 Speaker 3: with swords, but then it's revealed that it is Sean 1523 01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:13,320 Speaker 3: Connery and he says, greetings, highlander, you called so again. 1524 01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,280 Speaker 3: Connor always had the power to resurrect Ramirez from the 1525 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,080 Speaker 3: dead by yelling his name, and they have known this 1526 01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,120 Speaker 3: since they came from Zeist five hundred years ago, but 1527 01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,840 Speaker 3: he just now did it. Ye, So they have, you know, 1528 01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,840 Speaker 3: playful dueling and banter. I think they're trying to get 1529 01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,439 Speaker 3: the old Magic back from Highlander one. They're trying to 1530 01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:36,160 Speaker 3: get that feeling, that relationship re established. I think it's 1531 01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,680 Speaker 3: not quite clicking, but they try to do it with 1532 01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,200 Speaker 3: like them making fun of each other, Like Ramirez makes 1533 01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,559 Speaker 3: fun of Connor for having ridiculous art in his apartment, 1534 01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,400 Speaker 3: Connor makes fun of Ramirez for being old and for 1535 01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:48,160 Speaker 3: having been dead. 1536 01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like what they should have and maybe 1537 01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,880 Speaker 1: even wanted to do. You should have had a flashback 1538 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:58,479 Speaker 1: here to show like their relationship in maybe an outdoor setting, 1539 01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,960 Speaker 1: because here we do have this wonderful but very grimy, grungy, 1540 01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,080 Speaker 1: dark set, and I don't know, it's not a very 1541 01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,640 Speaker 1: lively place to establish a lively relationship. 1542 01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, though they do try to spice it up. They 1543 01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,559 Speaker 3: pour drinks and they have a toast, and the toast go. 1544 01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,280 Speaker 3: This is a direct quote Connor says to Magic, and 1545 01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:26,920 Speaker 3: Ramirez says to zeyst Oh. Also, Ramirez meets Virginia Mattson 1546 01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:31,000 Speaker 3: meets Louise Marcus and he says, you know, he's like, wow, 1547 01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:35,080 Speaker 3: you know, I like this eco terrorist and they immediately 1548 01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:39,200 Speaker 3: start scheming. Ramirez says, hey, Connor, the shield is ugly 1549 01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,880 Speaker 3: and it sucks, and Connor says, yeah, well it was 1550 01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,240 Speaker 3: necessary at the time, and then Ramirez says, so was 1551 01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:50,679 Speaker 3: Noah's Flood. But they they established that Connor's old friend 1552 01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,519 Speaker 3: Alan is being held in this secret, high security Shield 1553 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,160 Speaker 3: prison and they have to go rescue him. Also, they 1554 01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,840 Speaker 3: established that General Katana is here and they have to 1555 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,320 Speaker 3: go face him. So first of all, they go to 1556 01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,719 Speaker 3: the Shield corpse Slammer. So they go to the security 1557 01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,439 Speaker 3: gate and it's like Connor is driving a car and 1558 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,759 Speaker 3: Ramirez is in the passenger seat and they just drive 1559 01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,720 Speaker 3: through the barricade into the Shield headquarters and they get 1560 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,800 Speaker 3: blasted by guards with machine guns. Fortunately, they are immortal, 1561 01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,600 Speaker 3: so that when they get inside, they just sort of 1562 01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,240 Speaker 3: like pop up in the Shield prison morgue. Also, Louise 1563 01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,880 Speaker 3: is in there. She's like talking to the doctor and 1564 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,559 Speaker 3: the morgue, and then he sees them, you know, Connor 1565 01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,479 Speaker 3: and Ramirez pop up and he just faints. 1566 01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,360 Speaker 1: Fun immortal hikings. 1567 01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,960 Speaker 3: Yes. Then they decide to split up, of course, and 1568 01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:44,600 Speaker 3: start running around in tunnels looking for Alan. I was like, 1569 01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,240 Speaker 3: is this a prison. It looks more like a sewer 1570 01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:50,280 Speaker 3: full of people living in rags and eating rats. It's 1571 01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:54,000 Speaker 3: like what the human hideout in Terminator is. Like, they 1572 01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,880 Speaker 3: go and find Alan, but he does one of those 1573 01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,400 Speaker 3: movie instant deaths where he's just like, oh, Connor, you know, 1574 01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,840 Speaker 3: we tell me we did the right thing by making 1575 01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,880 Speaker 3: the shield, and then he's like you were my best friend. 1576 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:09,919 Speaker 3: Oh and just falls over dies. Meanwhile, John c McGinley 1577 01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,759 Speaker 3: and General Katana are like watching all this on closed 1578 01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,559 Speaker 3: circuit cameras, and General Katana says, well, well, well, like 1579 01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,799 Speaker 3: a high school reunion down there. 1580 01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,639 Speaker 1: And so the instantly once more he's got the drop 1581 01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:25,280 Speaker 1: and ramiras. 1582 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so here's what they're gonna do. Okay, they 1583 01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,800 Speaker 3: run them into a trap room, So our three heroes are. 1584 01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,040 Speaker 3: They go into a cylindrical room all at the same time. 1585 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:39,000 Speaker 3: The doors slam and lock behind them, and then this 1586 01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,120 Speaker 3: is one of the greatest moments of the movie. A 1587 01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:46,240 Speaker 3: whirling fan starts lowering from the ceiling toward the floor, 1588 01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:48,800 Speaker 3: so like, oh no, the fan is descending on them. 1589 01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,040 Speaker 3: It's like the pit and the pendulum, except it's a fan. 1590 01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,880 Speaker 3: And I guess the implication is that the fan will 1591 01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,800 Speaker 3: lower until it hits the floor and just squashes them, 1592 01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,840 Speaker 3: or I suppose the threat to the Immortal is that 1593 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,680 Speaker 3: the fan blades will chop off their heads. But then 1594 01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,040 Speaker 3: I was thinking, like, is that really physically? What would happen? 1595 01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,320 Speaker 3: Wouldn't they just kind of get more like like you know, 1596 01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:10,360 Speaker 3: like they're in a blender. 1597 01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, But I also like how this hell 1598 01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:16,800 Speaker 1: set kind of resembles the fizzy lifting drink scene from 1599 01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,920 Speaker 1: Willy Wonka. Yes, so the blades didn't lower in that 1600 01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:23,880 Speaker 1: our heroes floated up towards it. But I still can't 1601 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:24,840 Speaker 1: help but connect the two. 1602 01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,720 Speaker 3: So how are our heroes going to get out of 1603 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:28,400 Speaker 3: this jam? 1604 01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,720 Speaker 1: You tell me. I've seen it multiple times and I 1605 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:31,759 Speaker 1: still don't know what happens. 1606 01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:36,320 Speaker 3: Here's what happens. So Ramirez says, you stay back. Connor 1607 01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:40,080 Speaker 3: says I can help. Ramirez says, no, you can't, not 1608 01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,080 Speaker 3: this time. And then Ramirez gives a speech. He's like 1609 01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,599 Speaker 3: standing in the middle of the room, the under the fan. 1610 01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,599 Speaker 3: He lifts his hands up and he says, most people 1611 01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,960 Speaker 3: have a full measure of life, and most people just 1612 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,360 Speaker 3: watch it slowly drip away. But if you can summon 1613 01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:00,680 Speaker 3: it all up at one time, in one place, you 1614 01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:06,960 Speaker 3: can accomplish something glorious and then bagpipes start playing amazing Grace, 1615 01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:12,160 Speaker 3: and Ramirez, like light comes out of his hand and 1616 01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,040 Speaker 3: the fan, I guess, starts lifting back up from where 1617 01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,559 Speaker 3: it was. And he turns to Connor and Louise and 1618 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,400 Speaker 3: he says, my time here is over. It'll take the 1619 01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,400 Speaker 3: power of both of you to destroy General Katana and 1620 01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:28,320 Speaker 3: the Shield, and Connor says, will I ever see you again? 1621 01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:33,160 Speaker 3: And Ramirez says, who knows, Hylander? Who knows? So Connor 1622 01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,920 Speaker 3: and Louise escape for some reason. The door pops open 1623 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:40,200 Speaker 3: and Ramirez turns into light and explodes. Yeah. 1624 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,720 Speaker 1: I have no idea what this is supposed to be, 1625 01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,760 Speaker 1: Like self quickeningly destroys the fan. 1626 01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,880 Speaker 3: It just feels like it feels like they had to 1627 01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:49,960 Speaker 3: wrap this thing up. 1628 01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:52,760 Speaker 1: Just a kind of magic. Can't question it. 1629 01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,240 Speaker 3: There's another quick scene where General Katana and John C. 1630 01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,559 Speaker 3: McGinley are talking and the latter is upset for some reason. 1631 01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,360 Speaker 3: Katana reacts by grabbing him by the crotch, lifting him 1632 01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,360 Speaker 3: in the air, and throwing him out a window. So 1633 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:06,599 Speaker 3: that's the end of that character. 1634 01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this character in this relationship that we just 1635 01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:11,479 Speaker 1: had so little invested in. 1636 01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but now we're here for the final showdown. So 1637 01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,200 Speaker 3: Connor and Louise fight their way to the top of 1638 01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,840 Speaker 3: the Shield pyramid with guns, by the way, which feels 1639 01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:19,920 Speaker 3: wrong for Highlander. 1640 01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, uncivilized weapon. I think he does use a machine 1641 01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,439 Speaker 1: gun against the Nazis in a deleted scene from Highlander one. 1642 01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,120 Speaker 1: But still you didn't. You don't sign up to see 1643 01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,040 Speaker 1: Connor McLeod use machine gun. 1644 01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,960 Speaker 3: Right, So Connor like, he hands a rifle to Louise 1645 01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,120 Speaker 3: and he's like, okay, you go fight all the soldiers 1646 01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,480 Speaker 3: and destroy the Shield. I'll go cross swords with General Katana. 1647 01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,000 Speaker 3: I am not worried what will happen to you? And 1648 01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:43,080 Speaker 3: you know, he kisses her to let her know he 1649 01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:47,640 Speaker 3: means it. The location of the General Katana showdown is 1650 01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,840 Speaker 3: it's confusing here, and I think it's because what has 1651 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,400 Speaker 3: happened in this scene in the American cut is that 1652 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,960 Speaker 3: this is actually two completely separate fight scenes that happen 1653 01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,360 Speaker 3: at two different parts of the movie, and they've been 1654 01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:02,400 Speaker 3: edited together. 1655 01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:04,360 Speaker 1: That would make a lot of sense. 1656 01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,920 Speaker 3: But it's in a dark, empty warehouse with like that 1657 01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,759 Speaker 3: wet industrial feeling, you know, steam pipes, water is dripping, 1658 01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:16,400 Speaker 3: chains dangling everywhere. Metal grates, catwalks, sparks, shooting out of stuff. 1659 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,280 Speaker 3: It's your basic final showdown sword fight. It's not great, 1660 01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:21,439 Speaker 3: but I have seen worse. 1661 01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I can't again, I can't help but 1662 01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:29,240 Speaker 1: wonder too how injuries and clunky swords and so forth 1663 01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,240 Speaker 1: factored into this, because I don't think that the sword 1664 01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:36,160 Speaker 1: fights in Highland are one set an incredibly high standard 1665 01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,240 Speaker 1: like they're not. I wouldn't. I would never hold them 1666 01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,880 Speaker 1: up as being like the best sword fights in cinema. 1667 01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,519 Speaker 1: But they're really good, and I feel like what we 1668 01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:50,520 Speaker 1: get in this picture, you know, aside from flying space assassins, 1669 01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,160 Speaker 1: what we get in this picture feels mostly sub Highlander one. 1670 01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's one part in this fight where McLeod 1671 01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,960 Speaker 3: falls down an elevator shaft and breaks all his bones. 1672 01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:02,760 Speaker 1: So that's pretty interesting. I did like that. 1673 01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he has to manually snap them back 1674 01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:09,080 Speaker 3: into place and then go up and fight again. I 1675 01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,080 Speaker 3: think that might have been the like break that the 1676 01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,759 Speaker 3: actual conclusion of one of the two original fight scenes. 1677 01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:20,360 Speaker 3: I'm not positive, but anyway, they start sword fighting right 1678 01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,600 Speaker 3: next to a giant beam. This is the source of 1679 01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,599 Speaker 3: the shield. It's kind of a cool set. 1680 01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it looks really cool, big sets, you know, 1681 01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:31,760 Speaker 1: beam of light, very evocative. I love it. Though. Again, 1682 01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:35,280 Speaker 1: the actual sword fight, especially right here, feels kind of 1683 01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,200 Speaker 1: anticlimactic again, like it just didn't have much more gas 1684 01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:38,519 Speaker 1: in the. 1685 01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:42,280 Speaker 3: Tank that that's exactly right. So Connor wins. He chops 1686 01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,120 Speaker 3: off Katana's head. It does feel kind of anti climactic. 1687 01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:48,800 Speaker 3: Then he gets some quickening, you know, all this all 1688 01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,080 Speaker 3: the light shoots into him and he gets the electricity 1689 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,160 Speaker 3: snakes and stuff. But like, is he mortal again? 1690 01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:54,439 Speaker 1: Now? 1691 01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,960 Speaker 3: I would guess so. But then he walks into the 1692 01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:02,439 Speaker 3: shield beam huh, and Virginia Madsen's there looking at him 1693 01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:07,479 Speaker 3: and she's like no. And then the shield explodes. The 1694 01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:11,519 Speaker 3: satellite controlling the shield explodes, the sky clears and they 1695 01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,840 Speaker 3: can see stars. Wow, the shield is gone. And then 1696 01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:19,360 Speaker 3: the voice of Ramirez speaks in their minds and says, remember, highlander, 1697 01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,639 Speaker 3: you've both still got your full measure of life. Use 1698 01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:27,000 Speaker 3: it well and your future will be glorious end credits. 1699 01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:31,680 Speaker 1: Wow. So yeah, I guess he uses the power of 1700 01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,800 Speaker 1: this quickening, of this energy absorption of a powerful and 1701 01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:38,679 Speaker 1: mortal to short circuit all of the shield technology here 1702 01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,320 Speaker 1: and I guess yeah. And then at the end, is 1703 01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:46,920 Speaker 1: either mortal or is gonna get to return to Zeist? 1704 01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,880 Speaker 3: Doesn't doesn't make it, doesn't say ends incredibly abruptly with 1705 01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:56,479 Speaker 3: the voiceover by Sean Connery, which is calls back to 1706 01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,639 Speaker 3: the fun one of the funniest moments in the movie 1707 01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,040 Speaker 3: when he's pushing the fan measure of life. I don't 1708 01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:02,400 Speaker 3: know where any of that comes from. 1709 01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,519 Speaker 1: Now, tell me about this fairy tale ending. What is 1710 01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,799 Speaker 1: this return dezice thing that could have happened? 1711 01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,920 Speaker 3: So there are a couple of different endings. There is 1712 01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:15,439 Speaker 3: one ending in which after this Connor and Louise are 1713 01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:18,240 Speaker 3: like walking outside the shield pyramid and they're like, oh, 1714 01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,599 Speaker 3: we did it. You know, I love you, And then 1715 01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:24,720 Speaker 3: Connor returns to Zeist without her, you know. He's like, 1716 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,880 Speaker 3: I love you, but I must leave you here on Earth. 1717 01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,280 Speaker 3: I've got it. I made a vow I would return dezeised, 1718 01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:32,400 Speaker 3: and he does. They like flies away into space. Then 1719 01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:37,640 Speaker 3: there's another ending where they both go dezeised, where he's like, 1720 01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,240 Speaker 3: you know, I love you, Come with me Dezeised and 1721 01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,840 Speaker 3: she's like, but I can't fly through space. And I 1722 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,559 Speaker 3: think he's essentially like you know, it's a kind of magic. 1723 01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:50,000 Speaker 3: Just try it. And so she does and then she 1724 01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,360 Speaker 3: flies into space and they both fly into space and 1725 01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:53,320 Speaker 3: go Dezeice together. 1726 01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:55,360 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know whether they're going to get up 1727 01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,719 Speaker 1: to there. We don't really know much about Zeius aside 1728 01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:02,280 Speaker 1: from conflict. Maybe they're they're good qualities. They have football apparently, 1729 01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:04,320 Speaker 1: and maybe high schools they don't. 1730 01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're never shown like what's worth fighting for on Zeised? 1731 01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,280 Speaker 3: We should we should see like the good you know, 1732 01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,800 Speaker 3: the good life on Zeized. 1733 01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:13,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, or the like the old Zeis that they're going 1734 01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,439 Speaker 1: to restore. I'm not sure again, why do we care 1735 01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:19,559 Speaker 1: about this? Why is it important? Why? Now? 1736 01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:23,439 Speaker 3: Anyway? That's Highland or two. The Quickening a movie that 1737 01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,920 Speaker 3: is so interesting to me. I mean it just in 1738 01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:32,320 Speaker 3: terms of a deeply hilarious, flawed movie. It is that, 1739 01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:35,360 Speaker 3: But it's also really interesting because there's a lot about 1740 01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:39,120 Speaker 3: it that is mostly buried in the American cut but 1741 01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:43,840 Speaker 3: is pretty good and just like isn't allowed to cohere 1742 01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,000 Speaker 3: into a full film. But if you can like look 1743 01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,400 Speaker 3: at those elements, they're they're really quite admirable in their 1744 01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,040 Speaker 3: own Like we were talking about some of the sets 1745 01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,000 Speaker 3: and some of the staging in the costumes, and like 1746 01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:57,320 Speaker 3: the actors are great, though I don't think anybody in 1747 01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:01,400 Speaker 3: this movie is on their a game, and so I 1748 01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:05,040 Speaker 3: don't know. It's just such an interesting creative product and 1749 01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,599 Speaker 3: whatever you think about it, I think it's undeniable that 1750 01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:14,759 Speaker 3: it is so funny and so perplexing and it's something 1751 01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,519 Speaker 3: that the people who are interested in filmmaking should see, 1752 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,160 Speaker 3: I think, and and also learn watch the documentary and 1753 01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,080 Speaker 3: you know, learn learn about how it was made. 1754 01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:24,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like if you're if you're into that side, 1755 01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,760 Speaker 1: like what went wrong and how is it made? And 1756 01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,439 Speaker 1: so forth, Like Highlander two is a great story if 1757 01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,919 Speaker 1: you just want a bad movie, a movie with flaws 1758 01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,400 Speaker 1: that you can you can riff on, Highlander two is 1759 01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:38,040 Speaker 1: a great choice if you know, if you like to 1760 01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:42,360 Speaker 1: find the diamonds in the midst of the rough, if 1761 01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:46,080 Speaker 1: you want to find the shiny parts of otherwise flawed films, 1762 01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:49,880 Speaker 1: like Highlander two has riches for you to behold. So yeah, 1763 01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,000 Speaker 1: I feel like it's one of those those weird films, 1764 01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,639 Speaker 1: those flawed films that has a lot to offer, two 1765 01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,400 Speaker 1: different different values, different audiences. 1766 01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely agree, Yeah, I love Highlander two. 1767 01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:03,840 Speaker 1: All right, well, we're gonna go ahead and close out 1768 01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,080 Speaker 1: this our second episode on Highlander two, second and final 1769 01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:11,960 Speaker 1: episode two, but we'd love to hear from everyone out 1770 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:14,280 Speaker 1: there if you have thoughts on any of the various 1771 01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,799 Speaker 1: cuts of Highlander two, thoughts on the Highlander franchise in general, 1772 01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,080 Speaker 1: or you know other other films that you think meet 1773 01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,559 Speaker 1: these standards right in we would love to hear from you. 1774 01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:26,519 Speaker 1: Just a reminder that Stuff to Blow Your Mind is 1775 01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:30,160 Speaker 1: primarily a science and culture podcast, with core episodes on 1776 01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:33,519 Speaker 1: Tuesdays and Thursdays, a listener mail episode on Mondays, and 1777 01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,840 Speaker 1: a short form episode on Wednesdays. 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