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Speaker 1: We're back here on another episode of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmouth. Thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: with us today. Everybody, a fun show coming to you today.

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Speaker 1: The Giants announced this week that Jackson Dart is going

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Speaker 1: to be their starting quarterback against the Chargers on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: So I had a chance to talk to Giants veteran

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Speaker 1: wide receiver Darius Slayton about Jackson Dart and that change.

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Speaker 1: We are also gonna hear from Matt Muddy Smith. Paul

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Speaker 1: Deatino interviews him, gives us a good preview of the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: and then Bob Papa, the Voice of the Giants, talks

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Speaker 1: to Brian Dable, the Giants head coach, about the Jackson

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Speaker 1: Dart move and everything else about the matchup on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna lead things off with our player interview, as

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Speaker 1: you do every week. Here's my talk with Giants wide

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Speaker 1: receiver Darius Slayton, joined by Giants veteran wide receiver Darius

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Speaker 1: Slayton right here in the Hackensack of Britney Health podcast video.

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Speaker 1: Keep getting Better, Darius, Let's go on, man, how are

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Speaker 1: you Nothing much?

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Speaker 3: Just chilling?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, slow week, not a lot of news or anything

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Speaker 1: like that. When you guys got the news on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: that there was going to be a quarterback change, what

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Speaker 1: was kind of your gut visceral reaction when you heard yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously to us came as came as a surprise,

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Speaker 3: So you know, surprise was the first one reaction. I

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Speaker 3: feel like, you know, me personally hadn't. Probably a lot

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Speaker 3: of guys had, but you know, decision they made and

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Speaker 3: we're gonna roll with.

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Speaker 1: It absolutely, and I think, you know, I'm not surprised

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Speaker 1: by it. But the way Russell has handled it has

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Speaker 1: been you know, class and you know first class. And

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Speaker 1: you know, this is a guy that has come here

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Speaker 1: and really helped set the culture in the offseason, right

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Speaker 1: and everyone's rally behind him. How important was it for

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Speaker 1: him to handle the way he does. He's supporting Jackson,

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Speaker 1: he's the backup for this thing, trained to kind of

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Speaker 1: move and down the tracks the way it is.

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Speaker 3: I think it's huge, you know, I think obviously somebody

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Speaker 3: who's had a success he had in a career, in

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Speaker 3: the career that he's had, you know, very easily. You know,

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Speaker 3: this could have been something that he could have, you know,

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Speaker 3: handled in a nasty fashion or in a in an

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Speaker 3: the person he is the way that he's handled it.

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Speaker 1: Now, you were here and you mentioned this when you

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Speaker 1: talk to the media on the Monday Zoom call. Right,

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Speaker 1: you were here when they made this change from Eli

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Speaker 1: to Daniel. That was week three, this is week four.

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Speaker 1: What did you see from there and did you learn

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Speaker 1: anything that either you guys can do as wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: You could talk to Jackson about to try to make

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Speaker 1: this transition smooth so there isn't aren't any hitches in

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Speaker 1: the offense as you make switch from one quarterback to another.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, the best way you can

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Speaker 3: exactly when you're supposed to be there, you know, and

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Speaker 3: be predictable, unpredictable to the defense, were predictable to Jackson.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's how I'd like to word that, but

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Speaker 3: you know, obviously you know also he's a he's got

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Speaker 3: So you have to be aware of those types of things.

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Speaker 3: But other than that, you know, like I said, just

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the quarterback run game. In one area where

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Speaker 1: much can that added additional quarterback run factor help a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think anytime you can add an element to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is me talking. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: And the point I've tried to make is that it's

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Speaker 1: having that conversation specifically, but this has to be an

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Speaker 1: is his part, but he needs help for everybody around

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Speaker 3: For sure. I mean, I think as much as everybody

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Speaker 3: it is important, and certainly you know they have big impact.

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Speaker 3: You know, the first thing everybody runs to holler at

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Speaker 3: if a quarterback doesn't do well as well, they need

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Speaker 3: to get them some weapons. Well, if that's the case,

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Speaker 3: you know, the supporting cast is pretty important. And you know,

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Speaker 3: we feel like we have a pretty good supporting cast

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And obviously you talk about the weapons, your wide

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Speaker 1: So have you what kind of things have you done

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Speaker 3: but sometimes just helps just for timing and spacing, just

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Speaker 1: And that's the physical part of it. I think the

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Speaker 3: Perspective, yeah, I think, you know, watching film is important

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Speaker 3: She last night he called me, it was, you know,

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Speaker 3: not that late, but too late for me. I was,

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Speaker 3: I was like, all right, let's not too much, but

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Speaker 3: But I mean, I think conversations like that are important,

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Speaker 1: That's funny. I love that when you talk about how

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Speaker 1: extent customize the game plan for the quarterback, right, it

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Speaker 1: You know, what an offense looks like? When you're changing

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Speaker 3: I mean, it can be depending on who it is.

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Speaker 3: You know, it could be dramatic in our case, not

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Speaker 3: In Jackson's case, you know, you're trying to from it,

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Speaker 1: What is it about Jackson the person and the player

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Speaker 1: And I imagine understanding that there's going to be a

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Speaker 1: only learn things when you go through them on the field, right.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen him doing that already though, And I'm

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Speaker 1: not even talking about just this week, but seeing things

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Speaker 1: he made the mistake, he are he's not making it again.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen him kind of learn and improve as

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Speaker 3: He's been here, Yeah, for sure. I mean I think

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Speaker 3: you don't need to take those big shots. If you

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Speaker 3: I think I think he's done a good job making,

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Speaker 1: You know, recording on Thursday was rating this was the

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Speaker 1: perfect thing. They go out there and do like the

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Speaker 1: like full slipping slides slide that you gotta get down

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Speaker 3: Yeah, today they've been a good get some shots up.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, real quick on the opponent match up.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so almost every zone nowadays has some form of

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Speaker 1: That's exactly type of detailed answer. I know we get

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Speaker 1: The Giants seeking on the Chargers this week, they're played

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Speaker 2: I guess first thing I want to ask you about

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Speaker 4: In the game? I think huge, you know, with this

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Speaker 4: You've got Joe Walt moving from the right to the

433
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Speaker 4: left side. Trey Pipkins was your swing. So I just

434
00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,920
Speaker 4: feel like if they can get that front to cole As,

435
00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,960
Speaker 4: the plays are there. It's just like it seems like

436
00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,080
Speaker 4: every every time it's there, something's breaking down up front,

437
00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,159
Speaker 4: whether that's the way they're blocking the backside on the

438
00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,879
Speaker 4: run and you can just see it wide open in

439
00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,600
Speaker 4: front of end. Then some backside defenders coming to blow

440
00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,600
Speaker 4: that thing up when it might have gone for an explosive.

441
00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,200
Speaker 4: I feel like they're closed, especially a Marion. I feel

442
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,520
Speaker 4: like he is really close to busting one of those

443
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,280
Speaker 4: thirty forty yarders that's going to go to pay dirt.

444
00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,600
Speaker 2: It looks to me like they would predominantly like to

445
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,440
Speaker 2: get the ball out of Herbert's hands quickly, at least

446
00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,960
Speaker 2: that's what it looks like. But then when they go

447
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,800
Speaker 2: for the deeper routes, the line seems to be having

448
00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,160
Speaker 2: some trouble holding up, and then Herbert seems to hold

449
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,320
Speaker 2: the ball a little too long. I graded four of

450
00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,880
Speaker 2: the ten sacks that the charges have given up on

451
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,199
Speaker 2: Herbert holding the ball and kind of almost forcing the

452
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,159
Speaker 2: sack to happen because he just didn't get rid of it.

453
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,840
Speaker 2: What do you think they want to do, because we

454
00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,879
Speaker 2: all know that Harball is a guy who wants to

455
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,080
Speaker 2: he won the ball, But I'm just not sure I

456
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,160
Speaker 2: know the philosophy of what they're trying to get done.

457
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I don't know if I necessarily agree

458
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,959
Speaker 4: with that in whole. I do think you're right. There

459
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 4: are some sacks that he's taken. The one that Joe

460
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,399
Speaker 4: Walt gave up. I think he could have climbed that

461
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,400
Speaker 4: pocket and moved to the left, but the right side

462
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,840
Speaker 4: got so leaky. I'm guessing in his periphery he just

463
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,600
Speaker 4: saw that and took that and ate it. Herbert's been

464
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 4: pretty good about that. I think there's some quarterbacks that

465
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 4: don't want to hold onto it because they don't want

466
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,880
Speaker 4: the sack, they don't want to get hit, they don't

467
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,160
Speaker 4: want to wait that extra beat for it to develop.

468
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 4: And I think, because you know, I think you saw

469
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,360
Speaker 4: it in that touchdown to Keenan, right, how many quarterbacks

470
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 4: would have taken that sack instead of being able to

471
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 4: extend the play to throw that touch I think Herbert's

472
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 4: just that kind of quarterback, right. He's he's committed to

473
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,359
Speaker 4: seeing it through and if that means he takes a sack,

474
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,360
Speaker 4: or if that means even look, last year only threw

475
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Speaker 4: three interceptions. But I think he's willing to put the

476
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 4: ball in harm's way in trying to make a play,

477
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 4: And so I just think that's how he's been wired

478
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 4: in terms of explosives and trying to push the ball downfield. Man,

479
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 4: that's a tough one because I do think they're there,

480
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,639
Speaker 4: but at the same time, I don't necessarily feel like

481
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,919
Speaker 4: Lad and Keenan and Q are really the three guys

482
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 4: that are running nine routes. And that's what you're waiting for,

483
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 4: you know, things to develop. I think that the big

484
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 4: one last week, I'll tell you, is the emergence of

485
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 4: the rookie of Ronde Gadston. Is that's something that's been missing. Yeah,

486
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 4: the Syracuse kid, obviously his pops you know, played down

487
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 4: there in Miami, but he really added something to this

488
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 4: offense that was missing, just that seam route and sort

489
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 4: of the explosive seam route right fifteen twenty yards down

490
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,360
Speaker 4: the field. I'm anxious to see how that that can

491
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 4: work in this game game two, after kind of getting

492
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Speaker 4: through that feel out process. I mean, he had I'll

493
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 4: tell he had two huge catches on that game winning drive,

494
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 4: those drive starters to get it going, and I think

495
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 4: that's something you might see develop a little more and

496
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 4: that could lead to what you're talking about, getting rid

497
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 4: of that ball a little bit quicker and getting that

498
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Speaker 4: route to kind of flash a little bit.

499
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 2: I saw the tight end distally also listed on the

500
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: injury report. I thought, now again, I could be wrong

501
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 2: with this. I thought I saw him doing a lot

502
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: of blocking stuff earlier when I looked at the video.

503
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 2: What would it mean to them if he's unable.

504
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Speaker 4: To go, Well, you didn't go last week, and so

505
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 4: that's where you got Tucker Fisk. Yeah, will Is Look,

506
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 4: Will got pressed into duty last year because Hayden Hurst

507
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 4: got hurt and then really gave him nothing. Last year's

508
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 4: tight end room was a real struggle, and I tipped

509
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 4: my cap to Will. He's a blocking tight end, you know,

510
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 4: and he's going to give you two catches a game,

511
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 4: maybe three k And last year he ends up getting

512
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 4: most career catches, most career yards, most career He was

513
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,199
Speaker 4: the number one yacht guy on the team. And they

514
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 4: kind of found a little sweet spot with these tight

515
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 4: end screens with Will. But you know Will, Will should

516
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 4: be blocking, you know, Gadsden should and Conklin should be

517
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,479
Speaker 4: your receiving tight ends. Will and Fisks should be your

518
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 4: blocking tight ends. If Will doesn't go, just kind of

519
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 4: answer your question directly, Tucker fiscal slide into that spot.

520
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 4: He's and he's been exceptional. I mean, heck, I almost

521
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 4: want to put a put a number sixty something on

522
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 4: him and let him play right guard. He's been so

523
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 4: good at block and just let that thing go.

524
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: All right, Let's flop it to the other side and

525
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: talk about this defense for a minute, because in all

526
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Speaker 2: the key categories they are I think top not only

527
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: top ten, but like top eight, I mean fourth fewers

528
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 2: points allowed per game, I think seventeen a game. They're

529
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: doing this without having a full three games out of Mac,

530
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 2: out of Perryman. And you know, if there's one thing

531
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 2: I can say for Jackson Dart this week making his

532
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: first NFL start, thank goodness that he doesn't have to

533
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 2: face those two guys.

534
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Speaker 1: In the lineup.

535
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you. The one thing I would say, though,

536
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 4: is just be aware of number three. Derwin is having

537
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 4: a defensive Player of the Year kind of start to

538
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 4: the season. He has been sensational. The loss of Mac

539
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 4: is huge, and I think depending on how that elbow

540
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 4: is trending, if he's going to be out a while,

541
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 4: I think you'll see them go get someone they need.

542
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 4: They need a guy that can win one on one

543
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 4: up front, Tuley has stepped into that vacuum, I think,

544
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 4: and done a pretty darn good job. He's got sixteen thrushers.

545
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 4: Now it's not flashy because he doesn't have any sacks,

546
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 4: But we joked when he was a rookie that he

547
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 4: was the ultimate hockey assist guy. He probably got Joey

548
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 4: and Khalil and sex between them. He's just so good

549
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 4: at throwing bodies around and making the quarterback uncomfortable. So

550
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 4: forty five is the number to watch up front. And

551
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 4: I think you know, Mike Elston's their defensive line coach.

552
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 4: He's sensational. You lose poonifour poonifoor was so good for

553
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 4: this team last year. Yeah, and they just threw numbers

554
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 4: at it. They went out and signed may Kwan Jones

555
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 4: and Deshauan Hann and they drafted Jamari Caldwell. All three

556
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 4: of those guys have been great. Jamari Caldwell, the third rounder,

557
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 4: was considered a reach, and I think people forget that.

558
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 4: You know, you're drafting guys for coaches, and it's not

559
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 4: about your draft board and how you have these players ranked.

560
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 4: It's how the coaches think the player fits into what

561
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 4: they do, and man Caldwell has been massive for this

562
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 4: team as a rookie. So I think the interior of

563
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 4: the line is a and you know, kind of based

564
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 4: if Andrew Thomas going to play a full game probably

565
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 4: works out okay for the Chargers that you want to

566
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 4: attack that interior a little more than that edge. But

567
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 4: I think the interior the line is really what's kind

568
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 4: of led to some of the block destruction, moving quarterbacks

569
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: out of the pocket, making them uncomfortable, and that's probably

570
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 4: where I put my focus. Tier Tart has got as

571
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 4: good a get off as anybody in the game inside,

572
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 4: and he's he's really kind of been the straw that

573
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 4: stirs the drink. So they're making up for Khalil. It's

574
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 4: not where you'd think it come from. But I give

575
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 4: Jesse Minner a lot of credit. He's really done a

576
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 4: heck of a job whatever hand he's been dealt.

577
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: See should it raise a red flag to me that

578
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: you did not mention Bud Duprey, who's been in this

579
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: league for over a decade and had his better years

580
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 2: earlier in his career, But the fact that you didn't

581
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: mention him right there in that answer tells me he's

582
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: been quiet.

583
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 4: So I think the one thing about you know, it's

584
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 4: very similar to Baltimore, right where you don't necessarily have

585
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 4: these speed rushers. You know, like there's no Brian Burns

586
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 4: on this team. You know, you don't have that too

587
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 4: on hundred and fifty pounds guy with a ton of

588
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 4: bend that's gonna just come flying off the edge. It's

589
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: very similar to Baltimore where these guys are big, they

590
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 4: set the edge, they're really good against the run, and

591
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 4: if they get a sack because you know, the back

592
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 4: end held up, that's it's almost back end to front.

593
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 4: Is kind of how this thing has been working. So

594
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 4: I think for them, that's what they've asked from Bud.

595
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 4: Can you set the edge and you be physical at

596
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: the point of attack, and if the quarterbacks getting flushed

597
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 4: your way because you know Tier or Tully is busting

598
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 4: up that middle, then make that that sack. And I

599
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 4: just I think that's kind of but it's it's yeah,

600
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 4: you're right, you know, I think if Khalil goes down

601
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: and Bud drops in, we're talking about Bud with two

602
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 4: or three sacks, and that's just not what Bud is, right, now,

603
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 4: I think Bud's more of us set the edge, protect

604
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 4: the you know, just kind of keep it contained and

605
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 4: let the other guys make plays.

606
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: Dante Jackson been around this league for a while. He's

607
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: been on what three teams, This might even be his

608
00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: fourth team. Never really in my mind, separated himself from

609
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 2: the pack. I just thought he was a guy. But

610
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: from what I understand these first three games, he's played

611
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: extremely well.

612
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Steve klint Scale is the secondary coach, and much

613
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 4: like last year it was Christian Fulton, right, it was

614
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 4: a guy that was sort of an afterthought and he

615
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 4: ends up playing here for a year and getting a

616
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 4: big contract. Yeah, in Kansas City, I think you could

617
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: see the same sort of thing with Dante. You know.

618
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: My big concern with Dante, and going back and watching

619
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 4: his film from last year, was just didn't really tackle,

620
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: you know, and corners in this defense that's almost their

621
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: primary responsibility is you better be able to tackle. And

622
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 4: I'll tell you their second year rook their second year

623
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: player out of Maryland, fifth round of tar Heed. Still

624
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 4: he's become one of the best tackling owners in the league.

625
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 4: He is exceptional. I think Dante probably took note of

626
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: that in training camp, and I think because he's improved

627
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 4: at that part of his game so much, it seems

628
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 4: from what we saw last year. In the three games

629
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 4: that I've watched this year, it's just kind of led

630
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: to you, I think led to me at least saying, oh, yeah,

631
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 4: he can he can do this because you know, the

632
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 4: hand have always been there. I mean, he can get

633
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: the ball now. It was just a matter of can

634
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 4: you make plays, you know, not mistackles and let explosives

635
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: happen on your watch. And so I think he's been

636
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 4: really good about that.

637
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: Man, what do you suppose they're going to do with

638
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: Molik Neighbors. We'll assume that Neighbors will play. He seems

639
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: to get load management days off during the week of

640
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: practice all the time. So we'll assume he's going to play.

641
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: Based on what you've seen the first three weeks of

642
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: how the Charges have played the ace receiver on the

643
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: other team, how might you predict they would deal with Neighbors.

644
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: You'll see a bunch of different things. One it's you know,

645
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 4: Jesse Minner is always going to keep a lid on it.

646
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 4: They play more too high and they play more zone

647
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Speaker 4: than any other team in the league, and so everything's

648
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Speaker 4: going to stay in front of you. Tony Jefferson, the

649
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Speaker 4: old man they call him Monk, was out of football,

650
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 4: you know, scouting for the Ravens. I don't ever want

651
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Speaker 4: to see him off the field. I just you know,

652
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Speaker 4: he was on the practice squad to start the season. Man,

653
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Speaker 4: he's so good and smart about making sure nothing it's

654
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Speaker 4: behind him. I think you could see some Saint juice.

655
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Speaker 4: Even though he did not have a good year in

656
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Speaker 4: Washington last year, he's been really good. He's kind of

657
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Speaker 4: their press man. I think you could see him try

658
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Speaker 4: to use that a little bit to see if they

659
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Speaker 4: can get physical with them on a couple snaps. But

660
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Speaker 4: for the most part, I think it's it'll probably be

661
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Speaker 4: less about Malik and more about Dart. You know. It's

662
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Speaker 4: more about can we can we make that picture cloudy

663
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Speaker 4: for him? And can we make him think he's seeing

664
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Speaker 4: something that's not there. I think that's probably It's almost

665
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Speaker 4: like they're really good at baiting. They're very good at

666
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Speaker 4: at making quarterbacks think. Look they did it to Mahomes,

667
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Speaker 4: they did it to Gino, who was coming off that

668
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Speaker 4: monster game, you know, against the Patriots, and ends up

669
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Speaker 4: throwing three interceptions. They really did a number on him.

670
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Speaker 4: So I think that's a little bit more of how

671
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Speaker 4: they'll try to control They look make sure no matter what,

672
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Speaker 4: that safety is always high enough that it cannot get

673
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Speaker 4: behind you. And on top of that, I think it's

674
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Speaker 4: just try to focus on the quarterback side of that.

675
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Speaker 4: That connection.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you talk maybe the disguising and some

677
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Speaker 2: of the baiting and stuff that might go on in

678
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Speaker 2: the back end of the defense, because a lot of

679
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Speaker 2: folks will say, if you've got a rookie quarterback, and

680
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Speaker 2: certainly one making his first start, best thing you could

681
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Speaker 2: do is just throw a ton of pressures at him.

682
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Speaker 2: But that's not the Charger's way. They're not a heavy

683
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Speaker 2: blitz team. So now that would be going against their

684
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Speaker 2: own grain if they were to try to take that philosophy.

685
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think also, you know, it's you know,

686
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Speaker 4: dark played, I'm out here, I'm you know, do a

687
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: ton of college football too. So we got to see

688
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: him a little bit at SC and ended up following

689
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Speaker 4: his career because he left when Lincoln came in. And

690
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Speaker 4: what you see and you know better than I do,

691
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Speaker 4: but you know, he's so thick down low, and he's

692
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Speaker 4: so strong and he is explosive, and I think Jesse

693
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Speaker 4: Minner does not like And that's the one thing he's

694
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Speaker 4: done really well with Patrick Mahomes. It's like, I'm not

695
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Speaker 4: letting these guys get out of there, and if I blitz,

696
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Speaker 4: I got a chance for them to get out of

697
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Speaker 4: there and get after with their legs. So I think

698
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Speaker 4: you'll probably see that continue. You're absolutely right, instead of

699
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Speaker 4: blitzing him and they do blitz, don't get me wrong.

700
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Speaker 4: They'll bring that extra guy. They'll bring two extra guys

701
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Speaker 4: from time to time. You just don't really know. What

702
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: he does really well is is disguising the front. Is

703
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 4: he'll have six on the line of scrimmage and you

704
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Speaker 4: don't quite know where the four coming from. And he

705
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Speaker 4: did a lot of that to Gino and it really

706
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Speaker 4: affected him. It really affected Geno, And so I think

707
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Speaker 4: you'll probably see some of that.

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Speaker 2: You would not anticipate any kind of spy usage, correct,

709
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Speaker 2: because Dark to this point has improven that he can

710
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Speaker 2: necessarily do a great amount of damage with his legs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think you know we've seen dayon now in

712
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Speaker 4: a couple of different games as the Spy had that

713
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Speaker 4: huge sack on Mahomes in week one, just Spy and

714
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Speaker 4: Patrick over and over, and I think last week he

715
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Speaker 4: spied Nicks quite a bit. But you know, Nick's put

716
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Speaker 4: that on film, so I think you could see a

717
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Speaker 4: little bit of it. If that's what what coach da

718
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Speaker 4: Ball wants to do and how he wants to run,

719
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Speaker 4: you know, if he wants to get a little bit

720
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Speaker 4: of that Philadelphia sort of scataboo and Dart let's get

721
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Speaker 4: physical and have kind of this guessing game of who's

722
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Speaker 4: going to have the ball. I think you could see that.

723
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Speaker 4: And Dayon has been exceptional. You know, he's kind of

724
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Speaker 4: that new breed linebacker. He's two hundred and thirty five

725
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: pounds and can flies, you know, probably sniffing a four high,

726
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Speaker 4: four to four kind of guy. So if you do

727
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Speaker 4: see Spy, just look for number zero. He'd be the

728
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Speaker 4: guy that'll that'll be doing it.

729
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, certainly the game has changed over the years.

730
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Speaker 2: Those linebackers, man, they are nothing like they word back

731
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Speaker 2: in the day. No, not appreciate your time, my friend,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and we'll see you this weekend.

733
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Speaker 4: All right, you got it, looking forward to it.

734
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Speaker 1: Muddy Smith. Thank you for Paul for stepping in for

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Speaker 1: me for that interview. Now we're gonna turn to the

751
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Speaker 1: head coach of the NYG Brian Dable. He talks with

752
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Speaker 1: our voice of the Giants, Bob Papa.

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Speaker 5: We're joined as usual by the head coach of the

754
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Speaker 5: New York Giants, Brian Dable and coach obviously taken on

755
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Speaker 5: the Los Angeles Chargers undefeated team. The News earlier this week,

756
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Speaker 5: Jackson Dart is gonna make his first NFL start. What

757
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Speaker 5: are some of the things that have been impressive by

758
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Speaker 5: what you've looked at the way he's handled all of

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Speaker 5: this this week.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we've just we've tried to make it a normal

761
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Speaker 6: week for him, Bob. I know it's it's his first

762
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Speaker 6: career start. Been around some young guys I've had their

763
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Speaker 6: first career start. All you do, all you can do

764
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Speaker 6: is is just take it day by day, get into

765
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Speaker 6: your routine, which you know he had a routine leading

766
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Speaker 6: up to this when he was the backup. He's put

767
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Speaker 6: a lot of hard work into it. You know, he's

768
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Speaker 6: practiced the right way, he's prepared the right way, and

769
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Speaker 6: you know, all we're asking him to do is go

770
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Speaker 6: out there and do his job. And you know we

771
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Speaker 6: got to help him do that along with all the

772
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Speaker 6: other guys.

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Speaker 5: I remember when we were in Buffalo getting ready for

774
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Speaker 5: the preseason opener and you came into our TV production meeting.

775
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Speaker 5: He said, you know, he's chomping at the bit. He

776
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 5: couldn't wait to like play for the first time. Obviously

777
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 5: he's super excited, but now that it's in a regular

778
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 5: season mode, is he is he just sort of managing

779
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 5: the exuberance and the fired up that he has because

780
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Speaker 5: this is a regular season game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And it started all the way back, you know, when

783
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Speaker 6: we told him, and we've just we've had a process

784
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Speaker 6: relative to our preparation of getting ready, you know, whether

785
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Speaker 6: it's the third down tape, we're studying in the red zone,

786
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Speaker 6: early down stuff. You know, you meeting extra with his position,

787
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Speaker 6: coach or the coordinator leading up to this point so

788
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Speaker 6: that he feels as comfortable as he can feel to

789
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Speaker 6: go out there and play.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about the defense that you have to deal with,

792
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Speaker 5: because since Harbaugh has gotten there and with Jesse Minter,

793
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Speaker 5: this is one of the best scoring defenses in the

794
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Speaker 5: National Football League over the last year. They're really good

795
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Speaker 5: in the red zone, they're really good on third downs.

796
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Speaker 5: What makes this defense so efficient and so effective.

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Speaker 6: I think they're fundamentally sound. They play tough, and they

798
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 6: have some good players. But this is a tough unit

799
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Speaker 6: in terms of the defensive line, the style that they

800
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Speaker 6: play with, the toughness, the technique, Derwin James is all

801
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Speaker 6: over the field every game and he's a difference maker.

802
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Speaker 6: And really the run and the pass game, they don't

803
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 6: give up a lot of big plays. And like you said,

804
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Speaker 6: they play good situational football, which you can play really

805
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 6: good situational football third down, make them punt and red zone,

806
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Speaker 6: make them kickfield goals. That usually leads to a good

807
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Speaker 6: scoring defense.

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Speaker 5: When when you take a look at what they have,

809
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Speaker 5: especially up front, and they're they can be hard to

810
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Speaker 5: run on. But you guys, have you guys found a

811
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Speaker 5: little something last week and you know, before Tyrone Tracy

812
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Speaker 5: got hurt, it looked like the combination was very productive

813
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Speaker 5: in the game. What were some of the positives that

814
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Speaker 5: you took out of last week that you need to

815
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Speaker 5: see this team build upon against a really good front.

816
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it starts in run game, starts with

817
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 6: getting a hat for a hat and covering up their

818
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Speaker 6: defenders and then getting movement at the line of scrimmage,

819
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Speaker 6: and then the backs are in sync with the blocking

820
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Speaker 6: schemes of the front, the tight ends when to make

821
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Speaker 6: their cut, when to press the ball, and then ultimately

822
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Speaker 6: the backs got to run well, you know, the tackles

823
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Speaker 6: to be broke yards to be had, and you know,

824
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Speaker 6: the perimeter guys got to do their part and block

825
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Speaker 6: their correct force players and it all works together.

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Speaker 1: All right.

827
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Speaker 5: Let's go to the other side of the ball where

828
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Speaker 5: they have been very efficient offensively, justin Herbert's playing lights out.

829
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Speaker 5: Obviously they lost Nage Harris, but let's start with Herbert

830
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Speaker 5: and what you've seen in his game in this system.

831
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Speaker 5: He's been a fantastic talent. He's a good player, but

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Speaker 5: it's it seems like everything is kind of falling into

833
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Speaker 5: place for him as far as this offense is concerned.

834
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say that he's he's physically gifted, big, strong, accurate,

835
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Speaker 6: athletic and mace loose plays. He's got a lot of

836
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Speaker 6: confidence in his skill players. I'd say, particularly those three

837
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 6: receivers that he distributes the ball to, you know, seventy

838
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Speaker 6: percent of the time, and they're all a little bit different.

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Speaker 6: You know, he's played for a while, he has experience,

840
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Speaker 6: and he's got a lot of talent. This guy's are

841
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Speaker 6: really good. Good quarterback coach.

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Speaker 5: In the in the game last week against the Broncos. Now,

843
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Speaker 5: obviously you coach Josh Allen and I'm not saying that

844
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Speaker 5: Herbert is at that level yet. But the touchdown pass

845
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Speaker 5: that he threw to Keenan Allen late in that game,

846
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Speaker 5: there's not a lot of guys in the league that

847
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Speaker 5: could actually make that throw where he's under pressure scrambling

848
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Speaker 5: and then across his body throws a pinpoint pass. It's

849
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Speaker 5: not like it was a four yard pass either. You

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Speaker 5: talk about that athleticism. Is that something that with your team,

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00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 5: It's like the play's never over with this guy because

852
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 5: if you're not paying attention, he can really beat you

853
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Speaker 5: from anywhere.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And it seems like that's there's something like that

855
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 6: every week with these guys qbs that can extend plays,

856
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 6: make them with their legs, scramble, make them with their arm.

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Speaker 6: He's got good vision down the field. The guys, a

858
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Speaker 6: guy like Keenan Allen knows exactly where he needs to

859
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Speaker 6: be there on the same page. And it's you know,

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Speaker 6: it's not just defending the first play. You have to

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Speaker 6: defend the second and sometimes the third play, depending on

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Speaker 6: how long the play goes relative to the quarterback moving around.

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Speaker 5: Coach, we appreciate a couple minutes. Best of luck on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: I know it's going to be a fired up stadium

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Speaker 5: and we appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Bob, great stuff there from coaching Bob, and we

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Speaker 1: thank both of them. We thank Paul Detino, we thank

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Speaker 1: Matt money Smith, and of course we thank our player

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Speaker 1: into be this week, Darius Slayton for joining us on

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Speaker 1: this episode of the Giants Huddle Podcast. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being with us. It was all brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Citizens the official Bank of the Giants. I

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Speaker 1: am John Schmelt. We're in the Hackensack and Britney Hell podcast.

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Speaker 1: Do you keep getting better? We will see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Everybody