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Speaker 6: Okay, well, there it is. That's a Dallas Cowboys Star magazine.
Speaker 6: Draft Guide, got a Ashton Gent article from Tommy Yar
Speaker 6: issues on this show.
Speaker 5: Got to be a science lab in there.
Speaker 6: There is a science lab right there. And then we've
Speaker 6: got some rankings and some scouting reports for all the
Speaker 6: positions in the NFL draft.
Speaker 5: And I got a bone to pick with you, man.
Speaker 5: I don't want to tease the rankings a little bit,
Speaker 5: but defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: Bone to pick with me. Yeah, with my rankings. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let me see what.
Speaker 1: I put it.
Speaker 3: Number four.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna tease a little bit.
Speaker 7: Number four.
Speaker 5: It's Walter Nolan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I should put him lower.
Speaker 5: Oh good? In disrespect?
Speaker 6: No, there's no disrespect there. I think it's a great
Speaker 6: defensive tackle class.
Speaker 5: And then Mason's I had number one with his broccoli haircut.
Speaker 6: Again, his broccoli haircut is going to be awesome in
Speaker 6: the NFL. Mason Graham number one, he's a top ten pick.
Speaker 6: Derek Harmon number two, Kenneth Grant from Michigan number three.
Speaker 6: Don't give them Walter Nolan number.
Speaker 5: Four, don't give them a day.
Speaker 6: I can give them all the give them the defensive
Speaker 6: tackle class.
Speaker 3: We're not out as magazines. With Mason Graham.
Speaker 8: I was wondering where you put Alfred Collins. I'm seeing
Speaker 8: it now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well dispectful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a that's a smidge low for me,
Speaker 1: just a smidge.
Speaker 3: Listen, what are you doing? Listen?
Speaker 5: Because I had three days on your heels.
Speaker 6: I watched one hundred and fifty prospect one hundred and
Speaker 6: fifty prospects. I wrote one hundred and ten bios for
Speaker 6: the draft magazine itself, and I've ranked four hundred and
Speaker 6: fourteen players. And this magazine is due the week after
Speaker 6: the so it's still early. Like these are no pro days,
Speaker 6: no workouts, no thirty visits. This is all pure film,
Speaker 6: is what this is. And so yeah, I'm gonna stand
Speaker 6: on and Walter Nolan's number four in the defensive tackle
Speaker 6: class and Alfred Collins is number seven. But I did
Speaker 6: have a third round grade on Alfred Collins. He's a
Speaker 6: great Okay, So I think it's a deep defensive tackle
Speaker 6: class and I think Dallas should dip their.
Speaker 3: Toe in the water in terms of defensive tackle.
Speaker 5: Overall, there's a lot of good players in there. Yeah,
Speaker 5: just the Kyle shousta Kurt for Draft magazine.
Speaker 3: It's coming soon. Yeah, really excited. About it.
Speaker 6: Tommy wrote a ton of features too. I want to
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Speaker 8: So the Cowboys they kind of slowed down their transactions.
Speaker 8: And now we're talking about a couple of key names
Speaker 8: that they lost in free agency, one being Brandon Cooks,
Speaker 8: and we'll talk about what the impact of that is.
Speaker 8: Brandon Cook's returns to the New Orleans Saints. He's going
Speaker 8: to join Kellen Moore. He wasn't in Dallas when Kella
Speaker 8: Moore was an offensive coordinator, so it'll be their first
Speaker 8: time together. But Brandon Cooks is looking too, you know,
Speaker 8: for lack of a better way to put it, cook
Speaker 8: in New Orleans as he did in the Drew Brees era.
Speaker 8: And then we talk about Cooper Rush. We were talking
Speaker 8: about what was the backup quarterback situation gonna look like
Speaker 8: in Dallas. Cooper Rush has signed on with the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 8: He will now back up former league MVP Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 8: I had some conversations yesterday within the building. Inside the building,
Speaker 8: I should say, and it does not sound as if
Speaker 8: the Cowboys are even remotely in on trying to re
Speaker 8: sign Trey Lance. And we said that we talked about
Speaker 8: this before the season expired, going into free agency. From
Speaker 8: a player standpoint, I sat right here at this table
Speaker 8: and I said, if I'm Trey Lance, I'm out on
Speaker 8: the Cowboys as well. So it just doesn't sound like
Speaker 8: there is anything there. Because opportunity wise, sure, if you
Speaker 8: want to, the.
Speaker 6: Teams are going to be lining up to science that
Speaker 6: he lamb to a huge I mean sign Trey Lance
Speaker 6: to a huge deal.
Speaker 1: See Lambs on a teen screen. But the uh what
Speaker 1: you did there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they're not lying.
Speaker 8: Portray its opportunity. It's opportunity because this is a Cowboys
Speaker 8: team that we talk about the draft magazine. This is
Speaker 8: the Cowboys team that's likely going to use a draft
Speaker 8: pick on a quarterback to back up Dak Prescott. And
Speaker 8: if you talk about, you know, whenever they might do it,
Speaker 8: could it be like a fourth or a fifth round,
Speaker 8: or whatever the case may be. Will Greer is still
Speaker 8: in the building, Maybe Trey Lance feels that there will
Speaker 8: be a better opportunity for him to immediately become someone's
Speaker 8: QB two with a possible sliver of a shot at
Speaker 8: maybe not twenty twenty five, but maybe twenty twenty six
Speaker 8: proven himself worthy to be somebody's QB one.
Speaker 1: I just don't see that opportunity is in the doubts.
Speaker 5: But to your point, I mean, it's not free agency
Speaker 5: isn't over yet. No, it's not done. The transactions have
Speaker 5: slowed down foreshore, but there are still quality QB free
Speaker 5: agencies that are out there.
Speaker 8: In that conversation I had, they're in conversations with a
Speaker 8: couple o names are not going to be reviewed.
Speaker 5: That's all right.
Speaker 8: But this is the time of the stretch of free
Speaker 8: agency where price points start to come down.
Speaker 5: Exactly.
Speaker 8: Cowboys are waiting for the veteran price points to come
Speaker 8: down on those backup pards.
Speaker 3: Good saying we're bargain shop.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, look you're so bad. Look at it, though,
Speaker 5: Sam Donald got paid three years, one hundred million dollars
Speaker 5: to go to Seattle. Justin Fields two years forty million dollars.
Speaker 5: We're in the Kyle Trask business. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: He got paid two point.
Speaker 6: Eight That just made me sick, like a little bit
Speaker 6: in my stomach, Like I just felt like I needed
Speaker 6: to throw up a little bit.
Speaker 5: I understand what you're saying. But if you look at
Speaker 5: the names that are out there, and granted this is
Speaker 5: these are not like necessarily the time that Kyle.
Speaker 1: Kyler huntly businesses.
Speaker 5: Okay, any of the names catching you guys at all?
Speaker 5: Joe Flacco, No, Drew Locke absolutely, now, Carson Wentz.
Speaker 8: Drew lock Stop, Desmond plot twist, Carson Wentz.
Speaker 6: Okay, Ritter would be interesting for me because it's still
Speaker 6: a young guy, and I think he compares skills. That's
Speaker 6: another thing you got to look at. You gotta look
Speaker 6: at the skill set of Dak Prescott exactly. Because we've
Speaker 6: heard and Brian Schottenheimer has made it very clear that
Speaker 6: a lot of times as an offensive coordinator he said
Speaker 6: this in the past, you change your offense towards your quarterback.
Speaker 6: When it was Dak Prescott to Cooper Rush. There was
Speaker 6: a vast difference from Cooper Rush to Trey Lance. There
Speaker 6: was a vast difference in what you could do from
Speaker 6: a quarterback. Still, skill set it Now you got to
Speaker 6: look at maybe now that Schottenheimer is the guy that
Speaker 6: was what he was saying as an offensive coordinator. If
Speaker 6: you hit these breadcrumbs along the way, you could possibly say, hey,
Speaker 6: maybe it's.
Speaker 3: A guy that compares the Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6: And I think not that Desmond Ritter is Dak Prescott,
Speaker 6: but we're talking about skill.
Speaker 5: Sets, similar skill sets. Seas Johnson's also out, there's there's
Speaker 5: a bridge that we can make, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: there's a bridge between finding the quarterback of the future
Speaker 5: and finding a solid backup now and I don't know,
Speaker 5: maybe a Teddy Bridge.
Speaker 1: Water bridge over.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean you're going to have to have a
Speaker 8: stop gap, like you're going to have to. I mean,
Speaker 8: you're talking about likely drafting a quarterback and you're not
Speaker 8: going to use a premium pick on that, which means
Speaker 8: he can't he's going to be right, he's going to
Speaker 8: be developmental. So because he's going to be developmental, you
Speaker 8: need someone who can step in immediately in the event
Speaker 8: that Dak Prescott misses a game or two. When not
Speaker 8: that dark Prescott is injury prone. However, over the past
Speaker 8: two or three seasons, he's missed several games. So you
Speaker 8: have to have someone ready to step in and impact
Speaker 8: the game in that way.
Speaker 3: So but that's why I hate this.
Speaker 1: Barkin jumps off the page at me.
Speaker 6: I'm okay with bargain shopping at certain Positionsack, but your
Speaker 6: backup QB is an important one, and we've seen that
Speaker 6: over the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: To be clear, Cooper Rush well nine and five as.
Speaker 1: A starter of the Cowboys wouldn't got his money.
Speaker 8: But to be clear, because I was in on Justin Fields,
Speaker 8: he was one of the options I listed in the
Speaker 8: open moortar not at that price.
Speaker 5: Price tag that was twenty per year, No, thank two years.
Speaker 1: Forty million max.
Speaker 6: I mean Daniel Jones sid for seventeen to seven. I
Speaker 6: mean he signed for nearly fifteen million dollars. And that's
Speaker 6: Daniel Jones.
Speaker 8: But I do wonder because comparable to Cooper Rush's deal
Speaker 8: with the Ravens was like Jacoby Brissett who landed with
Speaker 8: the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: I think two at twelve and a half. Yep, I
Speaker 1: might have done that.
Speaker 8: I might have done that, especially when you're talking about
Speaker 8: a similar skill set to Dak Prescott. I think Jacoby
Speaker 8: Brissett would have been been fine. Yeah, would have been fine,
Speaker 8: But that twelve was a little too hard. Some of
Speaker 8: these perennial backup quarterbacks six the piece team option for
Speaker 8: year two. So really it's a one year deal. I
Speaker 8: mean that's that's the nuts and bolts of like a
Speaker 8: two year deal. Really a one year deal, right, depending
Speaker 8: on what the guaranteed money is. I would have done that.
Speaker 8: I would have done justin fields this deal. Absolutely not.
Speaker 8: But if I could have had Jacoby Brissett or even
Speaker 8: like Cooper Rush back at two or twelve, then yeah,
Speaker 8: because again keeping in mind, you need to combine at
Speaker 8: a veteran who can step in and win a game
Speaker 8: or two with the developmental quarterback that you're likely going
Speaker 8: to draft anyway.
Speaker 5: Right, and if they're already out on Trey Lance, I
Speaker 5: mean who else.
Speaker 8: But also, and I mentioned this earlier, Will Grier is
Speaker 8: still in the equation, so you know, not to say
Speaker 8: that Will grid is a world beater, but I didn't
Speaker 8: want him to leave in the first place, because I
Speaker 8: felt like he was right at that event horizon in
Speaker 8: his development where he could become your QB two. Look
Speaker 8: at what he did in that final game preseason, and
Speaker 8: he showed you what he can do. When he came
Speaker 8: back and he re signed in November of last year,
Speaker 8: he didn't get a shot off of the practice squad
Speaker 8: because of the Trey Lance Cooper Rush deal situation, how
Speaker 8: they were trying to work that out. But Will Grill
Speaker 8: is still here, still here, so I would like to
Speaker 8: see Grill get a solid shot.
Speaker 5: How do you feel?
Speaker 6: I liked the little greer and I think we've talked
Speaker 6: about this going back to when we were in the
Speaker 6: middle of the preseason battle, and I've always.
Speaker 3: Liked his skill set.
Speaker 6: I like his mindset, and I think he did learn
Speaker 6: a little bit from his venture outside of the Cowboys
Speaker 6: and then working back to the practice squad last year
Speaker 6: as a true backup.
Speaker 3: I still think I want a little bit more, which.
Speaker 5: Is why we're seasoning.
Speaker 6: Huh Yeah, and not even just seasoning just either one
Speaker 6: or the other. More seasoning as a guy that's like
Speaker 6: a perennial backup, a guy like Brissette or a Bridgewater,
Speaker 6: would be a great addition in that regard. Those guys
Speaker 6: would be phenomenal because I feel confident giving them the football,
Speaker 6: giving them the offense, and that there's going.
Speaker 3: To be a little bit of a drop off.
Speaker 6: Because that's what happens when your starter goes down, but
Speaker 6: still able to write the ship, kind of like what
Speaker 6: we've seen from Cooper Rush.
Speaker 3: I'm starting to look at.
Speaker 6: This position a little bit more so as the Cowboys
Speaker 6: need to take this seriously. And if you're going to
Speaker 6: take it seriously, I think you either need to sign
Speaker 6: one of those guys, or you need to get there
Speaker 6: are gonna be so many people that hate or you
Speaker 6: need to spend one of your first first three round
Speaker 6: picks on him. It's not gonna be the first round pick. No,
Speaker 6: it's probably not going to be the second round pick.
Speaker 6: But in the third round. I wouldn't be shocked unless
Speaker 6: you get your fourth back. That's my one caveat. If
Speaker 6: you get your fourth back, you can maybe go get
Speaker 6: a I mean, we've seen it before.
Speaker 3: Your current starter was a fourth round pick.
Speaker 6: You can maybe get a guy like a Kyle McCord
Speaker 6: or somebody that's in that middle part of this draft
Speaker 6: that I don't think will last until the fifth Quinn
Speaker 6: Youwers is in that conversation out of Texas McCord out
Speaker 6: of Syracuse, I think you have to spend one of
Speaker 6: those three round picks, first three round picks on those guys.
Speaker 6: And I don't want to spend a first or a second,
Speaker 6: nor do I want to spend a third.
Speaker 5: But that's where we're at, right, That's where we're at,
Speaker 5: and most likely you're looking at your comp picks to
Speaker 5: try and.
Speaker 3: Get one current and that.
Speaker 6: If we're talking about that, let's go to the handy
Speaker 6: dandy Sarramont draft Cowboys fit.
Speaker 3: I think he was my top eight.
Speaker 6: So my Cowboys fits are guys that are outside of
Speaker 6: the topic.
Speaker 1: Still have ten picks after you made those trades.
Speaker 3: Oh no, he was my Cowboys fit. Oh yeah, so
Speaker 3: there he was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would probably move him up now now that
Speaker 6: I've kind of seen him a little bit more and
Speaker 6: seen him.
Speaker 3: Throw a little bit better.
Speaker 6: Yeah, i'd probably put him at like eight or seven.
Speaker 6: I think I would move it around a little bit,
Speaker 6: But yes, he is my Cowboys fit.
Speaker 5: Is that a guy that might be there in the fifth,
Speaker 5: sixth round.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 6: No, I think he would probably go in the fourth,
Speaker 6: and I could be wrong. These quarterbacks tend to go
Speaker 6: a little bit higher than their actual draft grade because
Speaker 6: of the vision, the position value, because of where they sit.
Speaker 6: I don't want to be sitting here in round six
Speaker 6: and seven saying yeah, you know, Seth Henigan out of
Speaker 6: Michigan's doing his thing, Like, I don't want to have
Speaker 6: that conversation.
Speaker 3: I would rather get a guy like a.
Speaker 6: Kyle McCord or a Quinn you were in the third,
Speaker 6: and make make it that your backup quarterback, because neither
Speaker 6: one of those guys right now have the stuff to start,
Speaker 6: but they're in the NFL and they can play at
Speaker 6: a high level.
Speaker 8: Do you absolutely have viewers going before round five?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I think he's gone. I just you could
Speaker 3: maybe get like Riley Leonard.
Speaker 8: I agree, Will Howard. I agree with you, and really
Speaker 8: not liking using a third round pick on I really
Speaker 8: don't want to, really don't want to.
Speaker 6: I would rather if you want to trade your guys,
Speaker 6: trade your comps. You have enough capital, you still don't
Speaker 6: have to fix. You still got three comps, package them,
Speaker 6: get back.
Speaker 8: Into the fourth, get into the fourth, and then then
Speaker 8: I'm gone with a fourth. I'm good if you handle
Speaker 8: the first three rounds.
Speaker 5: That was a fourth kind of worked out. Yeah, that
Speaker 5: worked out great.
Speaker 6: Joshua Dobbs was a fourth round pick the next year
Speaker 6: in the exact spot.
Speaker 3: He's still in the league as a backup quarterback.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's there's a lot of value you can
Speaker 6: get at the quarterback position or fourth row.
Speaker 5: Not an exact science science.
Speaker 8: That third would kill me, though, because you have it
Speaker 8: all have needs to fill. Yeah, and we know how
Speaker 8: important QB two is going to be. However, it's not
Speaker 8: as important as RB one or O T one or
Speaker 8: one wide receiver two.
Speaker 6: If you're the third, if you're in the third, I
Speaker 6: don't feel but I don't feel confident you're getting any
Speaker 6: of those things in the third round.
Speaker 3: You just you just named it. You said running back one.
Speaker 6: You're telling me you're going to draft a running back
Speaker 6: in the third round and he's going to be your starter.
Speaker 3: No, that's not happening.
Speaker 6: You've drafted a wide receiver in the in the third
Speaker 6: round recently. His name was Jalen Tolbert. How's that working
Speaker 6: out so far? Not as much as you wanted to.
Speaker 1: There's some context.
Speaker 8: There's some context there, sure, small program, that's okay.
Speaker 6: You want to go draft a guy out of the
Speaker 6: mid major programs and get it done group of five guys.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I think you would find your value in
Speaker 6: the third round, but I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I would rather.
Speaker 6: Take a stab at a guy that could turn into
Speaker 6: those things rather than it.
Speaker 1: Would hurt though. Yeah, like I would be noticeably.
Speaker 8: Angry, noticeably noticeably angry at a QB in the third round.
Speaker 6: Yeah, speaking of some of these these voids and some
Speaker 6: of these needs that the Cowboys have, when.
Speaker 3: We come back, play a little little rank them. How
Speaker 3: about that?
Speaker 6: Oh, line them up is what I'm gonna call this segment.
Speaker 6: Line them up. If the Cowboys had to play today
Speaker 6: against let's say the Philadelphia Eagles, just cuz you got
Speaker 6: to be at your best. It's a divisional matchup. I
Speaker 6: need the best out of you. Who are you lining
Speaker 6: up in some of these positions of need? How would
Speaker 6: the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Look and fair in those matchups?
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Speaker 6: But the comment section is a lot of fun, and
Speaker 6: you guys are doing a great job on there.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 6: I want to line them up, gentlemen, line them up.
Speaker 6: Cowboys have a night game tonight. They're playing the Philadelphia
Speaker 6: Eagles seven on NBC Sunday Night or what is it,
Speaker 6: Tuesday Night football?
Speaker 1: Tuesday night football in.
Speaker 3: The middle of the off season.
Speaker 1: That might be a thing Tuesday. It might be like
Speaker 1: ten years from now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't wish that upon any of us.
Speaker 8: Please, all right, I'll be retired by that'll be Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, you must be making the U Is that the
Speaker 5: only day in the NFL is not taking place this Tuesday?
Speaker 5: So far?
Speaker 1: Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Speaker 5: Wasn't there Wednesday Monday?
Speaker 3: Maybe there's been a Tuesday, there has been.
Speaker 8: A they wait be scheduled from like a panning.
Speaker 1: Probably, I think it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that was just a thing that might
Speaker 8: have been a weather thing. Yeah, I think yeah, Monday
Speaker 8: night football got pushed because of I think it was a.
Speaker 1: Buffalo Buffalo or Baltimore one or the other something.
Speaker 6: But either way that none of that matters at all.
Speaker 6: So if the Cowboys had to play this afternoon, who
Speaker 6: would be your starters at corner, linebacker, and wide receiver.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna start at corner, Okay, caveat though, Yes, are
Speaker 5: injuries existing?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: Okay, Sara, if you are injured, right, darn it, because
Speaker 6: we don't know when these guys are heard of. Back
Speaker 6: Trayvon Jiggs, Trayvon Jags is a question mark whether he's
Speaker 6: going to be available in training camp and beyond uh,
Speaker 6: you've got of course to marve and overshown is going
Speaker 6: to be out for the first parts of the season,
Speaker 6: so yes, injuries do matter. I have three starting spots.
Speaker 6: We have the two outside spots, in the nickel spot
Speaker 6: at cornerback.
Speaker 3: Patrick, I'll start with you. Are you starting in corner?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 8: Travon Lion's not ready, So I'm going mean Deron Bland outside,
Speaker 8: I'm going is he at nickel and I guess I'm
Speaker 8: going Kayling Carson on the other on the other boundary.
Speaker 5: That's the thing abou Kailn Carson though? Is he's back
Speaker 5: from his shoulder surgery.
Speaker 3: At the Yeah, so that's a borderline because we don't
Speaker 3: know anything.
Speaker 5: Can I let's just have some can I get funky?
Speaker 3: Yeah, get funky.
Speaker 1: Let's get funky.
Speaker 8: So is he and Doron or your outside corners and
Speaker 8: I'm dropping one ye Thomas down into the nickel.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, let's get funky.
Speaker 3: That is getting funky. I mean, you signed him to
Speaker 3: a re signed deal. He's your depth at safety.
Speaker 1: But how to work him in?
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's physical, he's cerebral. Yeah, you're gonna have to
Speaker 8: get funky, of course, no doubt.
Speaker 5: Dron Bland is your outside on the opposite side a
Speaker 5: f C championship game not permitting. Okay, let's exclude that.
Speaker 5: Give me Kier on the outside.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 5: And and then if he is healthy, Klin Carson at
Speaker 5: Nicol Okay.
Speaker 3: But but if he's not, he's.
Speaker 8: Not and Booth, Oh your pretty agent down there, notign yet?
Speaker 1: Uh? Is he?
Speaker 11: There? You go?
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 6: I would do that three, I would do especially if
Speaker 6: Carson is not available.
Speaker 3: I would have Easy in the slot.
Speaker 6: I'd have Elam on the outside, and I would have
Speaker 6: Deron Blant on the outside as well.
Speaker 1: So Jeremy answer your question. Yes, Jeremy was asking if
Speaker 1: Bland healthy. Yes he is.
Speaker 6: He is healthy currently, Yes, so good good stuff there.
Speaker 6: Now moving to linebacker, and there's a reason I'm I'm.
Speaker 3: Asking these questions.
Speaker 5: Well we'll get to that at the.
Speaker 3: End of the segment. But linebacker.
Speaker 6: Two starters at linebacker? Who you going with? Marys le
Speaker 6: and Nodmarvin Overshown.
Speaker 1: No demo.
Speaker 8: I know, I know you have love for Murray. I
Speaker 8: want to see it. I'm going to Jackson, Samborne, Okay,
Speaker 8: Sanborne and Mail. Yeah, I do have love for Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go. I'm going to go Leah Fallon
Speaker 3: and Murray. I think a lot of same here.
Speaker 6: I think they kind of shadow each other a little bit,
Speaker 6: which I'm okay with because it is kind of a
Speaker 6: break glass of in case of emergency type of deal
Speaker 6: right now. But yeah, that's part of the problem is
Speaker 6: it's break glass of in case of emergency.
Speaker 3: But I feel confident with Murray starting.
Speaker 5: I feel better with Murray than I do Sanborn at
Speaker 5: this very moment.
Speaker 6: I think Sanborne is a damn good rotation option, and
Speaker 6: I think he's a guy that's going to play a lot.
Speaker 5: He just may not be my starter, doesn't Sanborne looks.
Speaker 8: Like he would knock the frame out of a Chevy
Speaker 8: if he tackled it.
Speaker 5: I don't doubt that. But does he not see more
Speaker 5: of a special teams and rotational linebacker.
Speaker 8: I think he and Murray will have their special teams shares, Yeah,
Speaker 8: I probably. I think I'm fifty one forty nine Sanborne
Speaker 8: to Murray. So it's not like I'm standing on the table.
Speaker 6: For yeah, Murray and I see I would probably say
Speaker 6: sixty five thirty.
Speaker 8: I mean, even that's not standing on the table. It's
Speaker 8: just you know, personal preference based upon what you saw
Speaker 8: last from them, and what did you just say the
Speaker 8: AFC Championship game notwithstanding, Well, that's what all.
Speaker 3: That's a factor. So, by the way, Andrew Booth is
Speaker 3: under contract next year?
Speaker 1: Oh is he? Yeah? Yeah, he's Oh I'm thinking I'm
Speaker 1: thinking AO, not know. I was thinking overall, Yeah, Booth,
Speaker 1: is you said free agent?
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I was thinking that a new edition.
Speaker 1: I was thinking a something.
Speaker 5: I was sitting ever thinking like I got update the website.
Speaker 8: Hey, Michigan Memphis AO, Andrew Booth, Yeah, you figured out.
Speaker 5: We're just trying here, fellas. Yeah, we're doing all right.
Speaker 3: Now, what about the wide receiver position?
Speaker 1: Mmm?
Speaker 6: How about that moving forward wide receiver? Give me three
Speaker 6: wide outs? We're going with eleven personnel, all right.
Speaker 5: Let me go ceedee Lamb okay obviously maybe yeah easy?
Speaker 5: Uh Jent Tolbert on the outside, Wow, okay. And then
Speaker 5: for your slot receiver, give me Cavante Turpin mm hmm okay,
Speaker 5: not bad. You can't pick any of the same players.
Speaker 8: Good lord, tough crowd City, Lamb, and I do love
Speaker 8: your choice. That's slot. I'm going Cavante. I think Cavante
Speaker 8: needs to get more burned. I can't say that enough
Speaker 8: times on this podcast and everywhere that I am.
Speaker 1: You know, even if.
Speaker 5: You don't feel great about him as like receiving a
Speaker 5: catching just give him a slot down the middle, give
Speaker 5: him something. I get the ball in his hands, however
Speaker 5: you need to hand it off shovel pass. I don't
Speaker 5: give a damn your.
Speaker 1: W R two upsite Cede Lamb.
Speaker 8: I like the strides from Tobert, I like the strides
Speaker 8: from Brooks, but I swear to you you have.
Speaker 1: To justify this fourth round pick.
Speaker 8: So I'm going Jonathan Mingle because I saw Jonathan Mingle
Speaker 8: with a backup quarterback. I saw Jonathan Mingle in McCarthy's
Speaker 8: offense that didn't necessarily utilize him correctly, much the same
Speaker 8: way it didn't utilize Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 3: It's a point of.
Speaker 1: I want to see.
Speaker 8: Jonathan Mingo with QB one, with Brian Schottenheimer and Clayton
Speaker 8: Adams and Connor Riley cooking it up on offense, so
Speaker 8: you can at least try to justify why the hell
Speaker 8: you gave up a fourth round pick for this guy.
Speaker 8: So that's me. I'm going Mingo. Well, not in dis order,
Speaker 8: but Lamb Vonte in the slot and give me Mingo
Speaker 8: opposite Lamb.
Speaker 3: I'm a little surprised to hear you not say.
Speaker 1: I'm getting Obert, I'm getting funky.
Speaker 3: You are getting That's totally the case.
Speaker 6: But I am surprised Tolbert Listen, Tolbert as a wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Three, I'm totally I.
Speaker 8: Said he made he did. I said he. I need
Speaker 8: that fourth round pick that was given away to be
Speaker 8: a wide receiver.
Speaker 11: Two.
Speaker 1: I need it justified.
Speaker 8: I need That's That's where I am with it. That's
Speaker 8: why I'm choosing Mingo for Tobert because I need it justified.
Speaker 8: That's it. It's I need it just it's funky.
Speaker 3: But I'll roll.
Speaker 5: I'll roll with the chunky.
Speaker 6: No, no Paris Campbell, no Ryan Flinoy, Jalen Brooks.
Speaker 8: Are as we have this conversation, just throwing it not
Speaker 8: as we have this.
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 6: Nothing there, all right, bonus round? Okay, name of starting
Speaker 6: running back right now? Who's your starter at tailback?
Speaker 3: Between? Is it Javante Miles Sanders?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 8: Well we hit the draft, you're asking me this question,
Speaker 8: I'm going Javonte Williams.
Speaker 3: Okay, what would be the pick you needed.
Speaker 6: Do you need a first round pick or a second
Speaker 6: round pick utilized to jump Javonte Williams or can you
Speaker 6: be yes?
Speaker 1: Anybody?
Speaker 5: Third?
Speaker 1: Probably what a third? I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: that this class is deep. I think a third.
Speaker 5: If you've read the draft guide, you would know that.
Speaker 1: It just came out.
Speaker 3: A little bit.
Speaker 1: It was literally your hands buddy yesterday, right. I don't
Speaker 1: know that the third would do it immediately.
Speaker 8: Right, So if you use a first or second round
Speaker 8: pick on a running back, I think immediately you're thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 8: this has to be your starter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, minute one.
Speaker 8: If it's a third round pick, I think that it's
Speaker 8: such Avante Williams situation that maybe the third round pick
Speaker 8: can beat out as the season rolls along, but certainly,
Speaker 8: come twenty twenty six, that's going to be your guy.
Speaker 6: I like that, and I wouldn't be against that at all,
Speaker 6: especially with this deep of a class in terms of
Speaker 6: running back.
Speaker 5: I think you're looking at here most of this page.
Speaker 5: If you get any guys in the in the third,
Speaker 5: I think you're fine.
Speaker 6: Most of that most there's what fifty names on that
Speaker 6: forty seven names?
Speaker 3: That's a lot.
Speaker 8: Hey, listen, you could you could make it a tar
Speaker 8: heel backfield. Marion Hampton, Marian Hampton, with some Javonte Williams.
Speaker 3: I'd be okay, that would be the second round pick.
Speaker 3: That would be forty four if you get lucky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that would be a damn good backfield.
Speaker 6: There's a chance you might see Jamir Gibbs happen with
Speaker 6: Amaron Hampton. Where in that draft it was Bjean Robinson
Speaker 6: is like the name that was the guy. He was
Speaker 6: the can't miss running back prospect. He goes early and
Speaker 6: Atlanta snags him in the top five picks or whatever
Speaker 6: wherever they ended up selecting him in the top ten,
Speaker 6: he's off the board. But Jamiir Gibbs was like that
Speaker 6: second guy. It's he goes at twelve to the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 6: You could see that same thing happening this year. It's
Speaker 6: gent as the can't miss prospect. He's going to go
Speaker 6: in the top ten, top twelve picks, might go at twelve,
Speaker 6: who knows where the situation, but you know, gent's that
Speaker 6: guy Hampton's there's a.
Speaker 3: Good chance he goes in the first and he slips
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 8: So I love the current conversation because a lot of
Speaker 8: people are saying Miles Sanders. So I want to be
Speaker 8: clear on something. Somebody said Miles Sanders. Hook whose said
Speaker 8: Miles Sanders has something to prove. You're absolutely correct. I
Speaker 8: believe he does. I feel there's a chip on the
Speaker 8: shoulder there. But you know what, everybody in this building
Speaker 8: has something to prove right now. Javonta Williams is also
Speaker 8: one you deal he has something to prove as well. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but if we're talking about Hunter recent see Hunter Lofkey
Speaker 8: has something produced, Vahn has something prove.
Speaker 1: Everybody has something to prove.
Speaker 8: So if you assume that everybody has something to prove
Speaker 8: in that running backs room right now, then the question
Speaker 8: becomes who more recently was more impactful on their respective team,
Speaker 8: And for me, it's Devonte Williams.
Speaker 1: He was, So that's that's.
Speaker 6: He was far more impactful in Denver than Miles Sanders
Speaker 6: was in Carolina last year. Now, over the course of
Speaker 6: their career, Miles that's more impactful.
Speaker 5: And no doubt, Spots.
Speaker 1: Also been in the league longer than.
Speaker 6: I've been in the league for six years compared to
Speaker 6: four for Javonte Williams. So it's it's a little bit
Speaker 6: of a difference. But I think when you look at
Speaker 6: the the body of work between the two, there's respect
Speaker 6: for both guys in the building. There's respect for them
Speaker 6: to possibly come in and be the starter. They would
Speaker 6: be either guy. It could be either guy. Does it
Speaker 6: deter them from taking a running back in the first
Speaker 6: round if it is Ashton Genty or the second round
Speaker 6: if it's a Marion Hampton or one of these other
Speaker 6: guys that they certainly do like, No, it does not
Speaker 6: deter them from doing so. And I would anticipate still
Speaker 6: seeing your running back early same season in this draft.
Speaker 6: All right, when we come back, we've got a little
Speaker 6: extra time here. I want to take a couple of
Speaker 6: phone calls. How about that. We haven't had some phone
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Speaker 6: I want to ask the question here in a minute,
Speaker 6: what grade would you give the Cowboys off season? But
Speaker 6: before we get to that, I want to answer some
Speaker 6: phone calls. We got Larry and can say, Larry, you're
Speaker 6: on Talking Cowboy.
Speaker 3: What's going on? Cowboys?
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, good to here, get on the show, listen
Speaker 13: to it all the time.
Speaker 11: Love the show.
Speaker 3: You're the man, Larry, Thank you? What you got?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 13: Well, I want to talk about first round running backs.
Speaker 3: Okay, I know.
Speaker 13: There's a lot of talk about it this year because
Speaker 13: of the guys that are available in our spot. But
Speaker 13: here's the thing. You don't get to pick this low
Speaker 13: very often, or you certainly don't hope to right now.
Speaker 13: There's a reason they call these certain positions money five positions. Okay,
Speaker 13: you've got to stick to those.
Speaker 11: You just have to.
Speaker 13: And especially when it comes to running backs, linebackers and
Speaker 13: even safeties, okay, but especially running backs. Look what we
Speaker 13: did the last time. It's not how great your pick
Speaker 13: is and how great the player is. Zeke was a
Speaker 13: huge hit. Yeah, but when you get to the second contract,
Speaker 13: that killed you. Unless you're getting Saquon, which you thought
Speaker 13: you were, but you you know's there's only a few
Speaker 13: of those guys that are successful through their second contract.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 13: And that's the problem with running backs. It's not what
Speaker 13: it does for your team now, it's what it does
Speaker 13: for your team four or five years from now. Okay.
Speaker 13: And this is about the difference between coaching and GMing.
Speaker 13: When you're GMing, you're GMing for the future with an
Speaker 13: eye on today. When you're coaching and you're coaching for
Speaker 13: today with an eye on the future, it's opposite to
Speaker 13: some degree.
Speaker 3: No, I love it, Larry, great phone call.
Speaker 6: You got a lot of insight there, and I agree
Speaker 6: with part of what you're saying because I've always been
Speaker 6: in that same mindset of running backs. It's not the
Speaker 6: position of value in the first round. However, there are
Speaker 6: a case by case basis. This is the NFL is
Speaker 6: a case by case basis in its own right, and
Speaker 6: the case only unfolds on one night out of the year.
Speaker 3: And that's the first night of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 6: When you get on the clock at twelve, there's a
Speaker 6: good chance you're not going to see Ashton gent there.
Speaker 6: And the reason being is because he's a special prospect
Speaker 6: who can immediately help your football team. And if you're
Speaker 6: a football team that is in a certain position to
Speaker 6: immediately be helped, then take.
Speaker 5: A running back and you have the offensive line there
Speaker 5: for him already.
Speaker 6: You feel pretty good about your offensive line, you feel
Speaker 6: good about your health outside of him, you have a quarterback.
Speaker 6: All of these things add up, plus you add the
Speaker 6: draft class itself. This draft class is riddled with red flags.
Speaker 6: Playing it simple, there's about seven to eight, maybe seven
Speaker 6: or eight prospects that are completely clean bills of health
Speaker 6: at the early parts of this or completely clean scouting
Speaker 6: reports of where they fit in a system, in an offense,
Speaker 6: in a defense, wherever they may be. Ashton genty is
Speaker 6: one of those guys. So, despite what you're saying, which
Speaker 6: I completely agree with, second contracts are a nightmare for
Speaker 6: some team at the running backs position because it only
Speaker 6: happens every once in a while. You can get you
Speaker 6: can strike gold with Saquon Barkley. I think Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 6: was a success for this organization, except you didn't get
Speaker 6: to the mountaintop. That's just playing and simple. I mean,
Speaker 6: he was the leading rusher in twenty sixteen, leading rusher
Speaker 6: in twenty eighteen. He was a successful pick. Did he
Speaker 6: pan out for a long period of time?
Speaker 3: Not really. He kind of died off after that second contract.
Speaker 6: So I'm normally of that mindset of stay away from
Speaker 6: running backs. This is not one of those occasions because
Speaker 6: it's a case by case basis, and I think Ashton
Speaker 6: Gent fits the bill in this draft class, in this situation,
Speaker 6: and with a team that, of course Cowboys fans are
Speaker 6: going to say right now, is still trying to win now.
Speaker 6: They're still in that moment unless you're trying to rebuild,
Speaker 6: unless you're trying to scrap this whole thing and start
Speaker 6: it over.
Speaker 3: I still think Ashton Gent would fill a void that
Speaker 3: you need to win now.
Speaker 1: And That's where I'm with it.
Speaker 8: So first, let me just kudos to Larry because fantastic football,
Speaker 8: high football like conversation that I would. I would watch
Speaker 8: a game and drink some beer with Larry. Larry knowsball.
Speaker 3: Larry.
Speaker 8: I don't necessarily agree with the second contract portion of it,
Speaker 8: but I see his point.
Speaker 1: Agree because I don't care.
Speaker 8: I don't care about I don't want to talk about
Speaker 8: second contracts coming off of seven and ten season, wherein
Speaker 8: you just saw the Eagles get another Super Bowl in
Speaker 8: this century, Like, I don't care, right, I will worry
Speaker 8: about the second contract five years from now because if
Speaker 8: it's a first round pick, you have a fifth year op.
Speaker 3: Totally totally fair.
Speaker 1: Half a decade from now, I'm worried about that. Half
Speaker 1: a decade, I don't care.
Speaker 8: The salary cap will be exponentially higher, Attrition will have happened,
Speaker 8: your your salary cap structure. As far as who you
Speaker 8: owe money to who you don't owe money to, that'll
Speaker 8: be a different situation. You'll be having the post Dak
Speaker 8: Prescott conversation at that point, you'll be not the post
Speaker 8: ced Lamb conversation. But your offense will start to kind
Speaker 8: of reshape itself. The entire organization, as far as roster
Speaker 8: is concerned, will look markedly different in half a decade
Speaker 8: from now, Okay, so I don't care about that. What
Speaker 8: I care about is this window that's rapidly closing, the
Speaker 8: Dak Prescott window that's rapidly closing.
Speaker 3: You have all those elements right.
Speaker 8: You haven't re signed extended Mike Coad just yet. It
Speaker 8: seems a full going conclusion. It's going to happen, but
Speaker 8: it has. Deron Bland is coming up, Jake Ferguson, all
Speaker 8: these things are coming up. What you need to do
Speaker 8: is start winning games right now and not today, not
Speaker 8: just regular season games, postseason game. Okay, So if an
Speaker 8: Ashton Gent is there at number twelve, you don't think twice,
Speaker 8: you pull the trigger. You don't hold reservation and say, well,
Speaker 8: we're gonna have to pay this guy in half a
Speaker 8: decade from now.
Speaker 1: You gotta be kidding me, right.
Speaker 6: That's the thing is, there's a lot of critique around
Speaker 6: the front office right now about pushing the can down
Speaker 6: the road and trying to win five or six years
Speaker 6: from now, and is trying to stay relevant. I don't
Speaker 6: Ashton Gent would help you win right now. And that's
Speaker 6: the difference now. So I'm not spending a first round
Speaker 6: pick on any running back. Amarion Hampton is a great
Speaker 6: running back. But if the Cowboys selected him at twelve,
Speaker 6: I would have something to say about it. If he's
Speaker 6: there at forty four, let's ride, let's get it done.
Speaker 6: You know, that's the type of thing. But Ashton gent
Speaker 6: is a clean bill of health, he's a great football player.
Speaker 6: He's going to be an immediate hit here in Dallas.
Speaker 6: And I think all of those things and all of
Speaker 6: those sure things that you can find in the NFL draft,
Speaker 6: which is hard to come by, right.
Speaker 3: You do it. You draft good football players.
Speaker 6: And I can see Isaiah mouthing through the Good Morning
Speaker 6: Football set to us right now.
Speaker 3: He's saying, scared money, don't make money.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And if you're not drafting a guy just because
Speaker 6: of the possibility that his second contract is going to
Speaker 6: be a failure, that's scared money.
Speaker 1: Right it is.
Speaker 8: And it's also it's kind of oxymoronic in the aspect
Speaker 8: of if you draft a guy at any position at
Speaker 8: any level one through seven in the draft because you
Speaker 8: expect that they will excel. Okay, you expect that more
Speaker 8: of a first round or second round or third round. Obviously,
Speaker 8: of course you're spending a first round pick or second
Speaker 8: round pick on a guy or third round pick. It's
Speaker 8: because you're hoping that they ball out, right, So how
Speaker 8: do you hope they ball out?
Speaker 1: Wild ball play?
Speaker 8: Also being concerned about them balling out and what that'll
Speaker 8: cost you take five years from I don't care about you.
Speaker 5: Gotta take the sure thing when it's there right now,
Speaker 5: and most likely he won't be there. I don't want
Speaker 5: to what a chance. There's a really good chance, all
Speaker 5: sides of pointing to him not.
Speaker 8: Being lit a second contract concern, But don't let that
Speaker 8: in the way turn a thirty year drought into a
Speaker 8: thirty five year drought exactly.
Speaker 13: Now.
Speaker 6: I love the phone call, Larry, really, it's a great call.
Speaker 6: Everybody's entitled to their opinion one way or the other,
Speaker 6: and you had a great one there. All right, let's
Speaker 6: go back out to Kansas. But this is Kansas City
Speaker 6: where Brian is on the line. What's up Brian?
Speaker 11: Good morning, gentlemen, Good morning, Bryan, doing great? Thank you. Hey.
Speaker 11: So I've got an unusual proposition. Just if the first
Speaker 11: couple of you know, the first eleven picks obviously don't
Speaker 11: go as plan because I think everybody thinks Mason Graham
Speaker 11: is going to go in that in that first group, right,
Speaker 11: because he's.
Speaker 3: The number one defensive tackle. Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So what happens for in your opinion? And then
Speaker 11: what do you think the Cowboys would do if he
Speaker 11: falls to twelve? No one, you just keave Osa twenty
Speaker 11: million a year. I don't know what happens because I
Speaker 11: think it's a weak draft class based on everything I've heard,
Speaker 11: meaning a lot of the media scouts have said, hey,
Speaker 11: I've only got thirteen or fourteen or fifteen first round picks.
Speaker 11: There's not going to be a ton of people beating
Speaker 11: your door down to trade back. What happens both in
Speaker 11: your opinion and what do you think the Cowboys are doing?
Speaker 11: I'll hang up and listen, thank you.
Speaker 6: Can I ask you a question real quick, Brian, before
Speaker 6: you hang out? Sure if in this scenario, is Ashton
Speaker 6: Gent on the board, No, we'll.
Speaker 11: Say Ashley, We'll just clean it up and say Gent's
Speaker 11: already been taken. But Graham is still sitting there in
Speaker 11: the milliking light.
Speaker 3: Ted McMillan here.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I would have to say, I don't think Ted's
Speaker 11: going to go probably in the first ten. I think
Speaker 11: you would still be there.
Speaker 6: Okay, So now the conversation becomes space and Graham or Tet.
Speaker 3: McMillan, Brian, thank you for the call.
Speaker 6: I would pick one of those two guys and be
Speaker 6: totally fine with it in all sorts of it on
Speaker 6: my board right now as we sit, and I am
Speaker 6: a huge fan of Tat McMillan, let me first say
Speaker 6: that Mason Graham is higher on my board.
Speaker 3: He is a higher prospect grade wise on my board.
Speaker 6: So yes, if he falls, I'm gonna hurt by turning
Speaker 6: in the car. But I'm not gonna window dress my board,
Speaker 6: even if we've already paid O City. I'm gonna get
Speaker 6: Mason Graham to be a monster in the middle.
Speaker 3: Of your defense.
Speaker 5: But another Michigan pro I don't give.
Speaker 3: A flying where they went to school.
Speaker 6: I don't give a flying wolverine if they went to
Speaker 6: Michigan or not.
Speaker 3: Mason Graham would be the pick, and I'm I'm riding
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 5: He's which one, which one doesn't have the broccoli aircut.
Speaker 1: You're going You're.
Speaker 6: Oh, I thought you were talking about Michigan defensive tackles.
Speaker 6: I was like, why are you picking Grant there now?
Speaker 6: And that's the thing is either one of those guys
Speaker 6: would be totally fine. And if Tech McMillan is a
Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboy on whatever the second day of the draft
Speaker 6: is April twenty sixth or seventh or whatever it.
Speaker 3: Is, I'm I'm all in. That would be awesome.
Speaker 6: However, if that moment and that guy falls in, Mason Graham,
Speaker 6: I think you have a chance to shure up your
Speaker 6: defense and really do something you haven't done in quite
Speaker 6: some time, and that's dominate the line of scrimmage from
Speaker 6: a running game standpoint and from an edge rusher standpoint,
Speaker 6: because it helps your linebackers, helps your ed rudgers, helps
Speaker 6: your secondary, which is a problem in its own right.
Speaker 6: I think you could show up your entire defense with
Speaker 6: one pick and that guy.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 8: Or you know, if Gent is going give me Tech
Speaker 8: McMillan and then circle back in the second round and
Speaker 8: give me Alfred Collins.
Speaker 6: Which this is a deep he said. The draft class
Speaker 6: in general is not very great. It's a deep class
Speaker 6: and running back and defensive tackles. So you can do
Speaker 6: that and yeah, be totally fine.
Speaker 5: I would be very happy with them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So either one of those would be fine. But
Speaker 6: if it's Graham, I'm probably gonna I'm probably a stick
Speaker 6: and pick. Try not the window address the board.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 6: When we teased going into this segment, I wanted to
Speaker 6: give a grade of the Cowboys offseason so far.
Speaker 3: We got to be kind of quick here so far.
Speaker 3: What would you give it a through.
Speaker 5: F Let me give it a strong C plus. You've
Speaker 5: added some depth and that's about keeping crucial components to
Speaker 5: your defense and special teams. Is great. You brought Osa back,
Speaker 5: you got Wandie back, you got Marquise Brian Anger, and
Speaker 5: you like the rotational signings of Solomon Thomas and Dante
Speaker 5: Fowler Junior. The running back situation is fine. It's not solved.
Speaker 6: It's like one of those like memes with the dog
Speaker 6: in the middle of the house. That's fine, as this
Speaker 6: is fine.
Speaker 3: That's the running back position.
Speaker 5: The linebacker spot is good, but not better than you
Speaker 5: were at the beginning of last season. I wish the
Speaker 5: wide receiver and quarterback situations were a little more shirt
Speaker 5: up heading into the draft, so you weren't so desperate
Speaker 5: for both of those positions. I think signing guys like
Speaker 5: Cooper cup signed, re signing a guy like Jordan Lewis
Speaker 5: would have kept you from the desperation that you now
Speaker 5: are facing with both of those positions, it would have
Speaker 5: lessened that. I just wish there was a way that
Speaker 5: we could have freed up some cap space before free agency.
Speaker 3: But oh, I guess.
Speaker 5: There's a way to make that happen.
Speaker 8: Solid C plus, well, no C will give the C.
Speaker 8: You found one and I found a C. It's an
Speaker 8: even C.
Speaker 1: You did.
Speaker 8: You did a thing in keeping osa O Diggizu the building. Fine,
Speaker 8: you did not do a thing by letting Joy Lewis walk.
Speaker 8: So the running backs room, you added some quality talent there,
Speaker 8: especially proven talent in Miles Sanders, former Pro bowler. But
Speaker 8: like you said, Josh, it's not solved a running back.
Speaker 8: I like what you did at linebacker san Borne Murray.
Speaker 8: I love what Marris is going to be, but the
Speaker 8: questions are still who's going to start alongside Marrist cornerback?
Speaker 8: You're you're real hoping on Elam. Yeah, you're really. That's
Speaker 8: a lot of hope, and that's a nervous hope for me.
Speaker 3: You know what I say about hope, it's not a strategy.
Speaker 8: It's not it's not and it's a why I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So just when you look at free agency. I think
Speaker 8: as far as all things considered, all things considered, they
Speaker 8: broke even I love that they were wildly more active
Speaker 8: this time around than last year.
Speaker 1: So they at least gave us that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at this time last year we were talking.
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, they at least gave us that much. They
Speaker 8: have some free agent signings. They have at least one
Speaker 8: top re signing, and they did. They struck some trades. Yeah, right,
Speaker 8: however you feel about it. They made some moves, but
Speaker 8: it's there's more work to be done, and I don't
Speaker 8: just meet in the draft. I think that there's still
Speaker 8: some free agency questions that have to be answered. What
Speaker 8: do we talk about top of the show QB two. Yeah,
Speaker 8: there's still some questions that need to be answered. I
Speaker 8: land right out of Sea.
Speaker 6: I want to first say they're not done yet. The
Speaker 6: draft is coming up. You could still sign a couple
Speaker 6: guys in free agency if you wanted to shore up
Speaker 6: some of those questions. So still work to do, and
Speaker 6: I think they'll they'll, they'll make some things happen overall.
Speaker 6: But I'm gonna say a C minus here, and the
Speaker 6: reason being is because I don't know. I think a
Speaker 6: Sea would say you're a better or you're the same
Speaker 6: football team as.
Speaker 3: You were going into last year.
Speaker 6: I don't know if I can sit here and say
Speaker 6: this is a football team that, without this draft class
Speaker 6: and without them hitting right now, would be a better
Speaker 6: football team.
Speaker 3: I think there may be.
Speaker 6: A slight bit behind the eight ball, a little bit
Speaker 6: because you don't have de Marvey and you don't have
Speaker 6: Treyvon Diggs.
Speaker 3: You don't have all those guys.
Speaker 6: Plus you lost Jordan Lewis, who's a leader on your defense.
Speaker 6: That's a big, big loss that has not been replaced yet.
Speaker 6: Cooper Rush gave you some security blanket behind Dak Prescott
Speaker 6: at quarterback. You haven't replaced that yet. In your running
Speaker 6: back room, you say it's fine. I think you're looking
Speaker 6: for a fresh start from Williams and from Sanders, and
Speaker 6: you don't really have a guide to rely on out.
Speaker 3: Of those two. So you need a guy there.
Speaker 6: And so I don't think if we're lining up week
Speaker 6: one of twenty twenty five, yeah, twenty five, and we're
Speaker 6: putting it up against week one of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 6: and we're looking at the compared and comparing the two rosters,
Speaker 6: I don't think this is a.
Speaker 3: Better football team right now.
Speaker 6: Still a lot you can do, and you're gonna have
Speaker 6: a draft class to try and address that. But as
Speaker 6: we sit right now in the middle of March, I'm
Speaker 6: giving them a C minus at the moment, and we'll
Speaker 6: see what can happen. I like the Murray addition. I
Speaker 6: think that's a solid crab. Dante Fowler is a solid
Speaker 6: edition on the edge. They've done some things and they've
Speaker 6: been more active because at this point last year I
Speaker 6: would have given them a D minus or an F
Speaker 6: at this point in time, but they're at a C minus.
Speaker 3: Chance to get up to a B or get up
Speaker 3: to a B minus, at.
Speaker 1: Least they're not getting to them.
Speaker 5: We have to go.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that one, all right. We got
Speaker 3: to get aside.
Speaker 6: Draft show coming up here in a little bit for
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