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Speaker 1: the cringe for yourself. But we wanted to start with

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Speaker 1: some new developments with regards to the War on Domestic terror. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's been some new additions to the new War on

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Speaker 1: to look eat the surface. So we talked about previously

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Speaker 1: the Capitol Police getting two billion dollars in additional funding,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to their expansion plans in a second,

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Speaker 1: but just to give you an idea of what exactly

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Speaker 1: Police will be using an army surveillance system on Americans

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Speaker 1: to quote identify an emerging threat. And so this is

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Speaker 1: technology that allowed US troops fighting wars in Afghanistan and

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Speaker 1: extremely high resolution cameras. Hmm, okay, so these are what

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Speaker 1: now deploying extremely high resolution cameras on what large area exactly. Well,

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Speaker 1: eight of these different systems. It's just a very good

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Speaker 1: Because what does homegrown violent extremism mean? What does it

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's actually already happened. The Capitol Police's dispatched

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Speaker 1: a quote fully constructed capital Lego model, as in the

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Speaker 1: which is that they're citing legos as evidence of planning. Look,

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Speaker 1: And like I said, the two billion dollar appropriation that

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Speaker 1: So I mean it's just it shows you, Like I think,

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Speaker 1: It's like once you adopt that frame of like why

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Speaker 1: they talked about lifting the vaccine patent protection and that's

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Speaker 1: just sort of like fallen by the wayside. Why so

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Speaker 1: the WTO or the yeah, the World Trade Organization, it

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, look, I mean it's just because the

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Speaker 1: Europeans also want to hold it up. It's like that's

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Speaker 1: put any political capital on the line use the many

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Speaker 1: tools at our disposal to actually get this done. So

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Speaker 1: of the federal government. If so, Stolar is one hundred

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Speaker 1: American politics, you know, from the trajectory of the past

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Speaker 1: forty years. So right now, we'll wait and see. We'll

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Speaker 1: show notes. That's right, and you know, speaking of regime

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Speaker 1: change and somethingsagement bipartisan support for including usually the media

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Speaker 1: part of the whole uniparty thing. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: put this up there from Alex Thompson. This really made

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Speaker 1: me upset, so and let's keep this up there for

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Speaker 1: a while. I want to read people the headlines, just

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Speaker 1: in case they're listening. These are what the Afghanistan headlines

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Speaker 1: have looked like across the major media in the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks. After US BOGRAM exit Afghans base, the Taliban alone,

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Speaker 1: US left Afghan airfield at night, didn't tell new commander.

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Speaker 1: Top US general in Afghanistan says we should be concerned

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Speaker 1: about Taliban. More than one thousand Afghan soldiers flee into

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Speaker 1: Jikistan as Taliban extends control Afghanistan. Neighbors raise alarm with

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Speaker 1: Russia over Taliban advanced fears of an al Qaeda resurgence.

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Speaker 1: As UK troops are forced out of Afghanistan following US

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Speaker 1: military withdrawal, what do you notice about every single one

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Speaker 1: of those? Every single one of those is negative. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that none of them are true, but

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Speaker 1: let's do the converse. So, after US BOGRAM exit Afghan

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Speaker 1: space to Taliban alone, what's the alternative that we stay

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Speaker 1: in Bogram forever. We've been in Bogram since I was

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Speaker 1: a little child. Okay, it's time to go. Same thing

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Speaker 1: with Afghan's face. The Taliban alone and flee. We have

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Speaker 1: spent one hundred billion, yes, one hundred billion on training

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Speaker 1: equipping the Afghan national security forces, and frankly, they're probably

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Speaker 1: more inept than they are today than when we started.

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Speaker 1: Because there's some of the most corrupt people on the planet.

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Speaker 1: Now you want to keep going down that list, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Taliban extends control. The Taliban are more powerful, more organized, richer,

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Speaker 1: and more politically savvy in twenty twenty one than they

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Speaker 1: were in the year two thousand and one. I saw

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Speaker 1: their foreign minister being like, we have no beef with China.

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Speaker 1: What's happening to it? The Wigers basically being like, don't

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Speaker 1: invade us. So there, listen. Because of the drug money

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Speaker 1: and because of a lot of the stuff that we've

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Speaker 1: done over there, they're doing better than ever and they're

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Speaker 1: actually much more politically sophisticated. In every single one of

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Speaker 1: those headlines is reflected what that the US should stay

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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan forever. You know what was gonna happen when

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Speaker 1: you leave. Yeah, it's gonna suck for the Afghans. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, They've had plenty of time, we spend

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, and at this point their future

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Speaker 1: is in their hands. And I know that sounds extremely callous,

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Speaker 1: but what is the alternative? And you found this clip.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. This is one of the only good

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Speaker 1: things where this is one of the only places where

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Speaker 1: Biden is actually very good, really good. He's been good

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Speaker 1: on this. Actually you can for a long time. And

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Speaker 1: for all the MAGA people out there, Trump talked at

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Speaker 1: an extremely big game, and I think it does tell

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Speaker 1: you a lot that Joe Biden is the person who's

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Speaker 1: actually going to get US troops out of Afghanistan. Here's

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Speaker 1: what he said in a recent interview on Afghanistan when

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Speaker 1: he was pressed by Margaret Brennan. But then, don't you

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Speaker 1: bear some responsibility for the outcome of the ends up

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Speaker 1: back in control and women end up losing the right? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't. Look, are you telling me that we should

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Speaker 1: go into China because go to war with China? Because

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Speaker 1: what they're doing to the wigas a million wikers in

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Speaker 1: the out in the Western concentration camps, is that what

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Speaker 1: you're saying to me, it was your quote, Sir, I

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Speaker 1: was asking, you know I gave you. I gave the answer.

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Speaker 1: Do I bear responsibility? Zero responsibility. The responsibility I have

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Speaker 1: is to protect America's national self interest and not put

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Speaker 1: our women and men in harm's way, to try to

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Speaker 1: solve every single problem in the world by use of force.

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Speaker 1: That's my responsibility as president, and that's what I'll do

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Speaker 1: as president. And he's stuck to it, thank you. And

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Speaker 1: he's stuck to it. Yes, you know it. Really I

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Speaker 1: mean that framing right there is what you never hear.

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Speaker 1: Show me a headline on that go ahead from the

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Speaker 1: US press. And one of the things that we talk

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Speaker 1: a lot about here is it's not just is the

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Speaker 1: story technically true or not, it's what is the media

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Speaker 1: true to put in front of you. So over those

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Speaker 1: many twenty years while we were there, how much should

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Speaker 1: you say about the negative side of us being there,

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Speaker 1: what it did to us, the way that it has

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Speaker 1: crippled Afghanistan in certain ways and allowed this corruption to

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Speaker 1: continue and fester. This happens a lot of times, actually,

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Speaker 1: when a rich country comes in with a lot of

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Speaker 1: money and a lot of aid on the one hand,

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Speaker 1: of course, you want to help people who were suffering.

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Speaker 1: Everybody wants that, but it also can be crippling in

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Speaker 1: terms of local institution building and allowing people to be

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Speaker 1: able to have an army that's not going to just

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Speaker 1: like run and hide and to just stand the minute

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Speaker 1: that we're the minute that we exit. Like that story

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Speaker 1: could actually be framed in the exact opposite way of like,

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Speaker 1: my god, what were we doing there for twenty years?

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Speaker 1: Great question If after all of this time of training

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Speaker 1: these security forces, the minute that we're gone, they're like,

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Speaker 1: you know, turning and running, that's an indictment of the

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Speaker 1: fact that we were there for twenty years and ultimately

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Speaker 1: accomplished so very little. So it's all about the way

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Speaker 1: that the media chooses to frame this and when it

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Speaker 1: comes to war and peace, when it comes to regime change,

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Speaker 1: they always come at this from the pro intervention, pro military,

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Speaker 1: pro regime change point of view. Again, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that these stories aren't accurate. They may be. I mean

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Speaker 1: they probably largely are, although some of them may not

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Speaker 1: be because you know, they're just oftentimes stenographers or whatever

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Speaker 1: the national security state wants to put out there. US

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Speaker 1: General says, oh, yeah, yeah, good. But yeah, it's all

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Speaker 1: about how are they framing it, What are the questions

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Speaker 1: that they're asking, what are they actually choosing to focus on,

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Speaker 1: And those choices, editorial choices that are made can really

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Speaker 1: shape the way that things are perceived by the American public.

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Speaker 1: Now what's astonishing here is even with the media consistently

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Speaker 1: framing our presence in Afghanistan this way, the American public

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Speaker 1: is still like, yeah, but it's way pastime that we

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Speaker 1: come home. Yeah. So this is one where I really

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Speaker 1: have to say kudos to Joe Bye, give him full

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Speaker 1: credit because he was there on the campaign trail saying, no,

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Speaker 1: I feel zero responsibility. My goal is to protect American interest,

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Speaker 1: American people. We can't possibly be in every country around

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Speaker 1: the world using force to try to secure human rights. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there are other tools at our disposal, and he has

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Speaker 1: completely stuck to it to the point that it looks

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Speaker 1: like we're going to be out of Afghanistan even earlier.

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Speaker 1: Remember the original deadline he set was by nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Now it looks like we're going to be out even

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Speaker 1: sooner than that. So this takes a lot. You can

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Speaker 1: see the media is framing it takes a lot as

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Speaker 1: a president to stand up to that. Trump clearly didn't

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Speaker 1: have what it took to stand up to the generals

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Speaker 1: to face down the media on this exact question. And

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Speaker 1: so you have to give Biden a lot of credit

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Speaker 1: here for really sticking to his guns, same generals, same playbook.

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Speaker 1: Trump fell for it, Biden didn't. If you are a

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Speaker 1: person who really believed that Trump was going to stand

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Speaker 1: up for globalization, as I also once did, you should

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Speaker 1: ask yourself why did this happen? And the reason why

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Speaker 1: is because if you don't actually care about something, and

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Speaker 1: if you don't actually want to stand up to the

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Speaker 1: media scrutiny and stand up to the people in the

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Speaker 1: room and be the only person despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: you represent the interests of seventy seven percent of the

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Speaker 1: American people, then you're going to fail. That's how Bush, Obama,

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Speaker 1: and Trump all got played by the exact same playbook,

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Speaker 1: and Joe Biden did not, and he deserves eternal credit

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Speaker 1: for that. And it's funny you pull this. Just think

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Speaker 1: about why did we go into Afghanistan in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Here's a clip George W. Bush, who was announcing our

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Speaker 1: presence in Afghanistan in October of two thousand and one,

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Speaker 1: just three weeks after nine to eleven. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to what he said. I'm speaking to you today

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Speaker 1: from the Treaty Room of the White House, a place

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Speaker 1: where American presidents have worked for peace. We're a peaceful nation. Yet,

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Speaker 1: as we have learned so suddenly and so tragically, there

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Speaker 1: can be no peace in a world of sudden terror.

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Speaker 1: In the face of today's new threat. The only way

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Speaker 1: to pursue peace is to pursue those who threaten it.

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Speaker 1: We did not ask for this mission, but we will

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Speaker 1: fulfill it. And the mission there, crystal from the very

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Speaker 1: beginning was root al Qaeda out of Afghanistan. Okay, they

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Speaker 1: were only about a thousand guys who were in al

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Speaker 1: Qaeda in Afghanistan. Actually, wasn't that hard? Killed most of

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Speaker 1: them in like a couple of weeks. And after that,

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Speaker 1: Now what I saw the person who we propped up,

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Speaker 1: Hamid Karzai, who recently was in an interview I think

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Speaker 1: with the BBC saying that the US failed and would

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Speaker 1: not be welcomed back in Afghanistan after we paid him

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Speaker 1: and his brother billions of dollars and set up the

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Speaker 1: little opium ring over there. It's just incredible to watch.

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Speaker 1: How is it all actually played out over the last

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Speaker 1: twenty years. George W. Bush, of course, is the number

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Speaker 1: one person to blame for not getting us out at

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Speaker 1: that time, but many other successive presidents you know, came

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Speaker 1: in said they were going to do something, and do

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Speaker 1: it and do it. And Biden is now set, as

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Speaker 1: you said, the August deadline. Will put that up there,

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Speaker 1: which is that he says all US troops will be

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Speaker 1: out of Afghanistan on August thirty first, likely not to

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Speaker 1: give the talent ban too much of a propaganda victory

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Speaker 1: by going out on nine to eleven in terms of retreat.

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Speaker 1: And I thought that the White House, you'll never rarely

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Speaker 1: hear me say this. I thought that Jensaki said it

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Speaker 1: quite well. We are not going to have a mission

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Speaker 1: accomplished moment because we did not accomplish what we wanted

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Speaker 1: to in Afghanistan. And I think that America has been

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Speaker 1: dying for that level of frankness from a White House

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Speaker 1: and from the official press secretary for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I did not think I would see this. I honestly

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Speaker 1: thought we'd be there until I don't even know. It

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Speaker 1: was like in my MIDI we've been fed nothing but

646
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: a pack of lies with regards to Afghanistan and across

647
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: successive presidencies where they wanted to convince Americans. This was

648
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: revealed in the Washington Post Afghanistan papers, where they wanted

649
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: to convince the American people that there was some sort

650
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: of progress being made there, that there was you know

651
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: that all of these lives and treasury and time and commitment,

652
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 1: all of this stuff, that it was ultimately paying off.

653
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: And you know, I really really feel feel for the

654
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: service members who served there, who may have been injured there,

655
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: who may have watched their brothers and sisters killed there,

656
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: and have to be looking at this and going like,

657
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: what was it for? Like all those years where I

658
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: was away from my family, where I was risking my life,

659
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: where I was you know, maybe getting PTSD and all

660
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: of these things that I experienced, what was this ultimately for?

661
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: And we were there far, far, far too long. And

662
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: thank you President Biden for actually following through and getting

663
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: us out. It is long overdue, but at least it

664
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: is that is the right step. Finally. Now, another story

665
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: that we've been paying close attention to here is the

666
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: crazy housing market, and we focused a lot on what

667
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: we focused on the rental side too, with regard to

668
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: fviction and risk in particular, but on housing prices, we've

669
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: been focusing a lot on single family homes. The way

670
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: that the prices there being bid up by permanent capital. Well,

671
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: this is also fueling a massive increase in rent prices.

672
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: Great piece from Heather Long, fantastic reporter over at the

673
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: Washington Post, who is talking about now we're seeing rent

674
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: prices sore astronomically, so not only can you not afford

675
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: to buy a home, but now you're going to be

676
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: priced down of the rental market too. They profile these

677
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: two women. Lauren compos she opened the door to her

678
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: Phoenix apartment last week to find a note stuck in

679
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: the doorframe. Her rent was going up four hundred dollars

680
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: a month. That was a thirty three percent increase. She

681
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: and her fiance read the letter and shock. The property

682
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: management company gave them four days to decide whether to

683
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: commit to stay or lead by the end of July.

684
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: They spent the rest of the day pouring over apartment

685
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: listening to online only to realize they would either have

686
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: to move or downside from their two bedroom place to

687
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: a one bedroom. Nationwide, here's the stats. Rent prices are

688
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: up seven and a half percent just this year. That's

689
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: three times higher than normal, and analysts expect this trend

690
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: to continue, with rents climbing for the foreseeable future. In particular,

691
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: demand for single family homes and apartments in smaller cities

692
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: that have less inventory have been leading this rent increase.

693
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: Rents for single family homes are growing the fastest pace

694
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Speaker 1: in fifteen years. And this is interesting too. You can

695
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: see that to put that tweetback up on the screen

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Speaker 1: from Heather Long. What's fascinating is it's not actually the

697
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: big cities that are leading the growth in rental prices.

698
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: In fact, some of the largest city at San Francisco

699
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: and New York still seeing lower rents than pre pandemic,

700
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: although that appears to be rapidly shifting. But it's places

701
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: like Stockton, Boise City, Venture of Phoenix, Fresno, Sacramento. Those

702
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: are the places, these smaller cities that people are moving to.

703
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: You with the pmc reevaluating their lives, wanting to have

704
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: more space, maybe being able to continue to work from home,

705
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: they're moving there. The housing market is already crazy, and

706
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: now the rental market is going nuts as well. And

707
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: when you think about people's quality of life and what

708
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: they're able to afford to do in their lives, you know,

709
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: these two women are not unique in feeling like they're

710
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: actually moving backwards rather than what you always want to

711
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: see in your life is like continual progress, and we're

712
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: moving forward and we're you know, feeling more comfortable and

713
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: able to get more space. Instead, people are having more

714
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: and more of their income going to housing, which really

715
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: curtails what they're able to do in the rest of

716
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: their life and for a lot of people, puts them

717
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: over the financial edge. Yeah, and actually, what's really troubling

718
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: is that, as we've talked about how the housing market

719
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: is crazy, the rental market can actually be crazier. And look,

720
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Speaker 1: if this was just a story of you know, people

721
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: in d C, San Francisco, in New York, that would

722
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: be bad still. As one of those residents. And by

723
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: the way, let me tell you this, this is true,

724
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: having recently been kicked out of my house and having

725
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: to rent a new place. It was astronomically more expensive

726
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: than I expected. So you go and you take a

727
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: look at what's going on the rental market can actually

728
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: outpace the housing market. Really troubling because it's not just megacities,

729
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: but it's in a lot of other places, and a

730
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: lot of it is about coastal displacement. And so you know,

731
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: they had a quote here from a guy named Michael Cobald.

732
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: I thought this really crystallized just how terrible this is.

733
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Speaker 1: He has been renting in Boise since he lost his

734
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: home in the financial crisis of two thousand and eight.

735
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: A year ago, he was paying seven hundred and fifty

736
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: dollars to rent a house with a big garage for

737
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: his art studio. The rent has jumped to fourteen fifty

738
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: just this month. He says he has no choice but

739
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: to pay it. He brought in another roommate to have

740
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: to split costs. Even with three of them. Now money

741
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: is tighter than it was before. Quote. If you leave,

742
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: you're going to end up on the street. He's sixty

743
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: nine years old. He says. The problem is all these

744
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: people from California are moving here. They are paying for

745
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: a house site unseen. I'm not blaming the people from California,

746
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: but something is really going on here. And if you

747
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: look at that chart. It's not you know, major metropolitanaire

748
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: as Stockton, Boise, venture A, California, Phoenix, Fresno, Sacramento. I

749
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: bet that they you could go and take a look

750
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: at this in places like Atlanta, places like Austin, places

751
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: you know, all across the Sun belt where a lot

752
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: of people are beginning to move and you're going to

753
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: continue to see I think this trend rise. Especially also

754
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: if you have people who are permanent capital types who

755
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: are buying up more of these buildings, they can continue

756
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: to jack up the prices. Remember, every aggregate increase in

757
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: price is billions of dollars more on their bottom line,

758
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: and so that's you know, you can see this. Inside

759
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: the story, they actually talk about how private equity firm

760
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: Blackstone just purchased a firm called Home Partners of America.

761
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: It manages seventeen thousand rental homes for six billion dollars,

762
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: and JP Morgan for Rent announced a deal last year

763
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: to actually build more rental homes. And they're all targeting

764
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: exactly where we see this increase, the West and the southeast.

765
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: That's where the biggest population boom is happening in the US.

766
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: So if you can you know if you're renting out there,

767
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: like I feel for you, man, I understand what's going on.

768
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: And if you continue to see, you know, the increase

769
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: in price and more, it's going to be it's going

770
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: to be a big problem. Yes to move on. And

771
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: these big corporations, private equity and where they're rufless, they

772
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: don't care if you're out on the street. You know

773
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're going to push up the rent as

774
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: high as they can possibly get away with. They're going

775
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: to squeeze every single dollar out of you. You also

776
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: have an issue where you know, it takes a while,

777
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: of course in normal times to build new housing stock,

778
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: to build new apartment buildings, but especially right now, there's

779
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: this backlog and there's all these supply chain issues, so

780
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: that's further making it difficult to build new, new build

781
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: new housing stock, both for the rental market and also

782
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: for the housing market. So ramifications here for a lot

783
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: of people's lives who are struggling and wondering where they

784
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: are going to be able to lay their heads at night.

785
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: Right the rent is too damn high. I've been waiting

786
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: a long time to say that bottom head line there

787
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: another story. I mean it actually is an important story.

788
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: It'll makes fun of it too much, but it's really something.

789
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Let's not make fun of it. Let's present it exactly

790
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: as it is. You might have heard that the son

791
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: of the President, Hunter Biden, has recently gotten involved in

792
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: art art therapy, which you learned and rehab. Okay, you know,

793
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: God bless wish him the best. Yeah. The problem though,

794
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: is that Hunter is now selling some of his art,

795
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: and the sale of that art is crazing a lot

796
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: of ethics questions, so so much so the White House

797
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: is now getting involved. Let's put this up there from

798
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: ABC News, which did a big investigation. White House officials

799
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: are arranging confidential sales of Hunter Biden's art. Now, the

800
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: arrangement is meant to prevent ethics questions, but it's also

801
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: raised some. So a New York gallery owner is going

802
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: to facilitate sales of Hunter Biden's original artwork. Okay, Well,

803
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: the problem though, is that the gallerist is going to

804
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: independently set prices on the artwork. He's going to keep

805
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: the identity, though of the buyer's confidential including from the

806
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: President and the administration, at least according to him, he

807
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: will be the sole person authorized to collect, reject, and

808
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: agree on offers. Burgess has agreed to reject any offer

809
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: that seems unusual, including offers above the asking price. There's

810
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: just one problem though. Burgess has said that the Hunter

811
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: Biden artwork could be priced anywhere from seventy five thousand

812
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: dollars to five hundred thousand dollars. And I saw a

813
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: good quote here. This arrangement is problematic, to say the best.

814
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: The best disinfectant would be to have a publicly open process.

815
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: The public could see who the purchases are, and then

816
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: it would be a cumbent upon the bidens to bear

817
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: the burden of saying whether it's a conflict of interest

818
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: or not. Hmm, that seems like a really good idea,

819
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: and so you literally have let's put the next one

820
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: up there. The White House is saying that, of course

821
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: he has the right to pursue an artistic career, just

822
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: like any child of a president has the right to

823
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: pre child a career, like fifty years old. I saw

824
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: I remember that. I think he's fifty years old. I

825
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: remember seeing something like this during the campaign, like just

826
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: how dare they go after the child president. I'm like,

827
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: look when you're talking about Baron, who's a teenager. Yeah,

828
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: that's true for everybody else. Your fair game. He's older,

829
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: don juniors, old enough to be my dad. Just to

830
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: give you some context here around what exactly the child

831
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: status of mister Hunter, I do want to say, uh,

832
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: once all laughs aside, this is serious business. And as

833
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: the problem that we've always had is that most people

834
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: were full of it whenever they talk about this thing.

835
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: Jared Kushner's brother was literally hawking high value visas to

836
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: Chinese investors. Evanka Trump and Jared and Trump himself had

837
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: all sorts of crazy conflicts of interest. I remember, you know,

838
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: the one thing on the Ukraine call which made my

839
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: stomach turn is when the Ukrainian president is like, mister

840
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: the president, we stay in Trump Tower. Else disgusting, It's disgusting.

841
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: You say all you want, Yeah, they to give all

842
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: the money back. Okay, you know, show me the receipts.

843
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: But yet we're not even talking about Jared. And who

844
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: is Jared's brother's wife is some model or something taking

845
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: all this money. Once again, look, this is how money

846
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: laundering works. Actually, read an entire book called Boom. It's

847
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: a book about the contemporary art market. The saddest part

848
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: about what's happened to the art business is none of

849
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: it is about art. It's about Saudi and Asian billionaires

850
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: wanting to avoid taxes. So what they do is they

851
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: go to these these auctions, they buy like a you know,

852
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: a one hundred million dollar painting. They never even look

853
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: at it. It stays inside of a vault in Switzerland.

854
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: And this vault is just a warehouse where they transform

855
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: it one owner's account to the other account into the warehouse.

856
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: As long as it doesn't leave, you don't have to

857
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: pay any access to It's all just a store of value.

858
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: It's like a fake billionaire game that has nothing to

859
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: do with the actual Yeah it is. It has nothing

860
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: to do with the actual art itself. So, yeah, we

861
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: actually have a st of theory. We have a video,

862
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: so it is a little video. Is a video at

863
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: any term. We have a video of was it Obama's

864
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: ethics official Walt shopp disgusting this on CNN to give

865
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: them credit for actually running this segment. Yes, take a

866
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: listen to exactly what he was saying. No, I mean

867
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: they have outsourced government ethics to an art dealer. She

868
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: mentioned industry standards. It's an industry that's notorious for money laundering.

869
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: There's no standards in that industry. And the idea that

870
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: they're going to flag any overly priced offers, well, this

871
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: is art that hasn't even been juried into a community

872
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: art sale. How is how are they going to decide

873
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: what's unreasonable when they've already priced it in the range

874
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: of seventy five thousand to five hundred thousand for a

875
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: first outing. This is just preposterous and very disappointing. I mean,

876
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: there's a lot of layers to this. Hunter obviously has

877
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: been profiting off of the fact that his last name

878
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: is Biden for his entire life by zone admission. Buy

879
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: his zone admission. Yeah, I mean it's obvious to anyone

880
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: who's looking at this, and look, that's not particularly like unique.

881
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: You know, ask Chelsea Clinton about her NBC News gig.

882
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: Why is she on the board of Expedia? Right? All right,

883
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: So it's not like it's unusual, but that doesn't make

884
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: it okay. And so the idea ask an aspiring artist

885
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: about how easy it is to just like step into

886
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: the market and command a half a million dollars for

887
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: your painting is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. So all of the

888
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: ethics experts are saying, at least the hoddest ones are

889
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: saying something that's very obvious. The answer to these sorts

890
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: of corruption and accountability and transparency issues isn't to make

891
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: it secret sales and then put all of this trust

892
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: in this one art deal. We don't know anything about

893
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: this person and whether they're trust not like Wester Yeah right, No,

894
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: the answer is to actually have it completely transparent, so

895
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: everyone can see what the amounts were that were exchange

896
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: and who was buying that art, and you know, having

897
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: a Hunter Biden as part of their collection so that

898
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: then you can track and see if they receive any

899
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: government favors, if there might be any reason why they

900
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: have a particular interest in this one artist. Is a

901
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: very obvious solution. And so you know, as you were saying,

902
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: everybody's a hypocrite on this, like they're a public A

903
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: lot of the right is out there saying like, just

904
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: imagine if Donald Trump had done this, and it's like, yeah,

905
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: if you had done this, y'all want to have said shit, right.

906
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: There are very few people who are both we're both

907
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 1: willing to be like there's a lot of corruption going

908
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: on here, and also willing to be like, you know,

909
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: this is pretty shady and not really a great look

910
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: over here, Biden, White House, So what exactly are you doing?

911
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: And that's the problem, which is that partisan warfare makes

912
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: it so that nothing will actually happen and these buyers

913
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: will remain confidential. This is a shady business and the

914
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: president's son being involved in it. The only possible way

915
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: in order to ensure real transparency is okay, release the names.

916
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: Release the names of the people who buy the art.

917
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: If we know who buys the art, then we can

918
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: see in the public domain. Are they going to get,

919
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, past special tax service, Are they going to

920
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: get a special preference from the government, Are they going

921
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: to get a government contract? I mean, this is the

922
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: easiest way on the planet in order to funnel money

923
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: to the private hands of the president's family. And look,

924
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: we already know from the Senate Intelligence report on Hunter

925
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: that Hunter routinely uses business connections in his last name,

926
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: not just to profit himself, to pay for him and

927
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: his uncle. And in some indications there has been at

928
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: least some indication that his father was at least somewhat

929
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: aware of what he was doing. He routinely used payments

930
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: from the Chinese government and elsewhere one hundred thousand dollars

931
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: slush funds and more to buy everybody MacBooks, Apple computers,

932
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: that type of thing. You can go and read the

933
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: report for yourself. But in terms of his spending behavior

934
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: and more, it is not outside the realm of possibility

935
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: whatsoever to see this type of corruption. This is generally

936
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: how it works, and the fact that the White House

937
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: is trying to keep it confidential should really tell you

938
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: a lot about what's going on here. I mean, just

939
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: imagine a hypothetical scenario like, okay, so this is being

940
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: kept this is all being kept secret confidential. Does that

941
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: mean you're not allowed to display the artworsks. Yeah, right,

942
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: You're supposed to keep it in hiding and secret down

943
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: in the basement. You can only like, look private, buddy,

944
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: put it on Instagram, privately, look at it, right? I mean,

945
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: just imagine a scenario where Biden goes out to a

946
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: fundraiser at a top donor's house and there's a Hunter

947
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: Biden painting hanging on the wall, you know, I mean,

948
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: then what of your confidentiality? Then? How does that influence

949
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: you in terms of how you feel about this person

950
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 1: who's raising a lot of money for you. And also

951
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: by the way I help out your son in a

952
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: fairly significant way, what does that do to your mental state?

953
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: Does it make you more likely to do something for

954
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: this individual? And look, these are all hypotheticals, but again,

955
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: the best answer to this an area that you know,

956
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: it's it's There are no amazing answers, But the best

957
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: answer here is just for it all to be in public,

958
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: for everybody to know who are these people, what are

959
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: the amounts, so that government watchdogs can look and see

960
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: if they end up getting any favors, if they're in

961
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: industries that could benefit from sort of government tax breaks,

962
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: government contracts, any of that. And then we can all

963
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: decide for ourselves whether this was purely, you know, for

964
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: the love of the art, whether there were other influence

965
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: games going on. Yeah, I saw a great tweet it

966
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: was Biden was like, none of my children are billionaires.

967
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: And Ken Vogel of the New York Times was like, well,

968
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: Hunter certainly tried. Hunter definitely tried. We really did try. Wow,

969
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Speaker 1: you guys must really like listening to our voices. Well,

970
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: I know this is annoying. Instead of making you listen

971
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972
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Speaker 1: other podcast I do with Marshall Kassoff called The Realignment.

973
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Speaker 1: We talk a lot about the deeper issues that are

974
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: changing realigning in American society. You always need more Crystal

975
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: and Zagur in your daily lives. Take care, guys, Crystal,

976
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at today? So as

977
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: a crisis in Haiti deepens, we are learning more about

978
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: these shocking and still mysterious plot to assassinate President Joev

979
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: nol Moez, and the origins of the plot are leading

980
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: more and more to the Sunshine State. First, we learned

981
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: of the alleged involvement of two Miami area Haitian Americans.

982
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: We showed you here that video of the attack where

983
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: someone with American accent at English is posing as a

984
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: DEA agent. Then we learned that a Florida based security

985
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: firm CTU had allegedly recruited the Haitian American men along

986
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: with twenty plus ex Colombian soldiers. Now, according to bombshell

987
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: revelations from Haiti's police chief, a Florida doctor named Christian

988
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanan may have been at the center of the plot.

989
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: So Sanan reportedly planned the attack on Moe's with the

990
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: intent of installing himself as president. How exactly he or

991
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: any of his hired assassins thought any of this might

992
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: work out is a bit of a mystery. Still, Sanan

993
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: appeared to be in significant debt, making it difficult to

994
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: finance what was a very expensive operation, with men being

995
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: paid three thousand dollars per month. Some of the mercenaries

996
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: involved reportedly said that they had originally intended to serve

997
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: Moe's and arrest warrant, take him to the presidential palace,

998
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: and then somehow have sNaN installed. Obviously, that is not

999
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: remotely what ended up happening. No one seems to have

1000
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: any idea what claim on the presidency this doctor Sonan

1001
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: might have imagined himself to have. So anyway, that's where

1002
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: we are, a Haitian doctor in Florida hiring our dal

1003
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: based security firm staff mostly with Colombian soldiers, to execute

1004
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: an unlikely Coudeta. Clearly still a lot of questions about

1005
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: what the hell happened, and also why President Moise's security

1006
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: detail didn't offer any resistance whatsoever. Were they in on

1007
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: it too. What we do know for certain is that

1008
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: Haiti is now descending into a political and humanitarian crisis.

1009
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: Moise with US backing. Keep that in mind, had overstayed

1010
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: his term and was ruling by decree. Haiti has multiple constitutions,

1011
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: there are no clear successors, most of the judiciary recently

1012
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: resigned on mass and the head justice, one possible successor,

1013
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: died of COVID nineteen days prior to the assassination. So

1014
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: as all of this unfolds, Haiti faces a crisis, but

1015
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: the US also faces some significant questions as well. Should

1016
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: we send in troops as the acting Prime Minister has requested,

1017
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: what age should we provide? And what should we do

1018
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: about the Haitians who were lining up at the US

1019
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: embassy hoping to find sanctuary in this nation? Now? In

1020
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: order to understand the decisions that will confront the US,

1021
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: we need to understand more than just the events of

1022
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: the last week, because US involvement in creating today's Haitian

1023
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: crisis goes way beyond the seeming involvement of a Miami

1024
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: area security firm in Moz's assassination. In certain ways, Haiti's

1025
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: really an inspiration slaves brought to Haiti to work the

1026
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: sugar plantations. They threw off their colonial oppressors in the

1027
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: early eighteen hundreds in the most successful slave revolt in history.

1028
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: But Western powers they weren't done with her yet. To

1029
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: sum up the US relationship, the world's first black republican republic,

1030
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: we've consistently undermined, invaded, embargoed, fomented coups, and propped up

1031
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: dictators in whatever way we felt would best guarantee that

1032
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: America's elite could continue profiting in and exploiting Haiti whatever

1033
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: way that they saw fit. There was our refusal to

1034
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: recognize the nation at all for sixty years because southern

1035
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: plantation owners worried about their own slaves getting ideas and revolting.

1036
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: There was our nearly twenty year occupation led by Woodrow

1037
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: Wilson in order to steal Haiti's gold reserves and protect

1038
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: American business interests such as the Haitian Americans Sugar Company.

1039
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: There was our propping up with weapons and money and

1040
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: troops the brutally murderous Duvalier dictators, Papa Doc and Baby Doc,

1041
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: because they were anti communists who cares that they were

1042
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: destroying every potential democratic institution and brutally torturing and murdering

1043
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: their own people with death squads so long as we

1044
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: could count on them to oppose the Communists. There was

1045
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: Daddy Bush and George W. Bush, both separately deposing the

1046
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: wildly popular left populist Geen bertrand ur steed once again

1047
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: to protect US business interests and continue an endless anti

1048
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: left Cold War at any and every cost. A US

1049
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: blockade of Haiti during the second Bush administration further crippled

1050
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 1: the impoverished nation. Even Obama got in on the act.

1051
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: Wiki leaks revealed the Obama State Department held by one

1052
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: Hillary Rodham. Clinton worked with contractors for Fruit of the Loom,

1053
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: Haynes and Levi's to block a minimum wage hike that

1054
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: would have seen texts workers earn five dollars per day

1055
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: instead of three dollars per day. Got to keep those

1056
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: sweatshops going so our multinationals can add a few more

1057
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: millions to their profit margins. All of that history of

1058
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: repeated destabilization and regime change should weigh heavily on our

1059
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: sense of obligation to the people of Haiti. Now they

1060
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: have had their own terrible leaders let's be clear, and

1061
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: corrupt dictators and kleptocratic elites, but we've certainly done our

1062
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: part to screw that country up. So what now. Sending

1063
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: in troops obviously seems like a disastrous idea. Given our

1064
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: history of invading the country and the very recent history

1065
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: of UN peacekeepers killing thousands with a collar outbreak and

1066
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: committing ramp and sex crimes, many Haitians would likely deeply

1067
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: resent a militarized American presence. As far as aid goes,

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Speaker 1: of course, we should help, but it's also easier said

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Speaker 1: than done. Officials are corrupt, contractors can be corrupt, and

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Speaker 1: the emphasis must be on not only easing immediate suffering,

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Speaker 1: but also building long term institution of governance which are

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Speaker 1: truly Haites and not some plaything of international businessmen or

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Speaker 1: a handful of in country elites. As for refugees, of course,

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Speaker 1: the very least we can do is to offer a

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Speaker 1: safe refugee refuge for those truly fleeing violence and poverty

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Speaker 1: that US elites help to create over hundreds of years.

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Speaker 1: The problem and the lesson from Haiti, of course, is

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Speaker 1: that when US elites engage in regime change and all

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Speaker 1: of their other corporate protection schemes. The blowback always falls

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Speaker 1: most heavily on the people, especially, of course, on the

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Speaker 1: people of whatever nation we're messing with. But these costs

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Speaker 1: also fall on our own working class. After all, they're

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Speaker 1: the ones who are sent as soldiers to clean up

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Speaker 1: the messes of American imperialism. And when our elites create

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Speaker 1: refugee crises, all the costs of taking those refugees in

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Speaker 1: are pushed on the working class communities who generously accept

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Speaker 1: these newcomers into their schools and into their neighborhoods. The

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Speaker 1: question of whether sudden influxes of refugees depresses wages for

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Speaker 1: lower skilled Americans, that evidence is mixed, but at least

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Speaker 1: one study of the Merial boat lift found like this

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Speaker 1: was made more difficult for those lacking a high school

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Speaker 1: degree when a sudden, large influx of Cuban refugees was

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Speaker 1: resettled in the Miami area. Now it doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: be this way. Of course, our economy does not have

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Speaker 1: to be a zero sum game putting native born in

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Speaker 1: immigrant workers against each other, a game that corporate interests

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Speaker 1: love and cynical politicians manipulate. The bottom line is this,

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Speaker 1: we may not want to have any responsibility for the

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Speaker 1: fate of the Haitian people. We may want to look

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Speaker 1: the other way, but over the entire history of Haiti,

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Speaker 1: from the revolution until today, we have put ourselves at

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Speaker 1: the center of their affairs, co creating its current chaos.

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Speaker 1: One more lesson that no one needed in how our

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Speaker 1: foreign meddaling coups and embargoes always end in misery. Here's

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Speaker 1: a crazy idea. How about we tax our meddling rich,

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Speaker 1: use the money to make life good for our own

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Speaker 1: working class and for our new immigrants and refugees, and

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Speaker 1: leave these countries the fuck alone to elect the leaders

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Speaker 1: and set the policies that they want. And Sager, as

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Speaker 1: I was writing this, and one more thing, I promise,

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Speaker 1: just just wanted to make sure you knew about my

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Speaker 1: podcast with Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends,

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Speaker 1: where we do long form interviews with people like Nom Chomsky,

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Speaker 1: Cornell West, and Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any

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Speaker 1: podcast platform, or you can subscribe over on substack to

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Speaker 1: get the video a day early. We're going to stop

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Speaker 1: bugging you now enjoy all right, Sacher, what are you

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Speaker 1: looking at? Well? One of the core missions of this

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Speaker 1: show is to explore the basic question of how do

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Speaker 1: we get here? How do you get to a place?

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00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: Millions of Americans cannot stand the site of one another

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Speaker 1: over political views. People literally get into fistfights over what

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Speaker 1: type of hat the other is wearing and where it's

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Speaker 1: considered somehow socially acceptable to get into prolonged debates on

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Speaker 1: your cousin's Facebook page for sharing an opinion about something.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of reasons for why, but if

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Speaker 1: I were to choose the biggest villain, it would be

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Speaker 1: the media, especially in the years where Donald Trump was president,

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Speaker 1: where the media not only refused to depart from its

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Speaker 1: mission of making people hate each other for more dollars,

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Speaker 1: but worse, it actually threw out any pretensive journalistic integrity

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Speaker 1: that they had in order to fulfill their sole mission

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Speaker 1: of defeating Trump. Throwing out that integrity had far reaching consequences,

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Speaker 1: because it turns out we actually do need a mass

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Speaker 1: media which is in some way concerned or tethered to

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Speaker 1: the truth. You want to know why most people won't

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Speaker 1: get vaccinated because they don't trust institutions, and they especially

1138
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: don't trust the media when they're telling them what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Why do people believe so many conspiracy theories? Well, number one,

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Speaker 1: many of them are actually true. Number two, because these

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01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: so called debunkers and purveyors of truth are full of it.

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Speaker 1: If I were to crystallize a single episode of the

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Speaker 1: Trump presidency that showed how morally repugnant and bankrupt these

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Speaker 1: people are, it would be the twenty seventeen twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: period where Michael Aviannati was present on our political scene.

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Speaker 1: You might remember Avinati as the lawyer of Stormy Daniels,

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01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: a smarmi, bald, fast and hard talking guy who was

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Speaker 1: all over cable news. It was obvious to any one

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Speaker 1: with a brain cell this dude was trouble, obviously a liar,

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01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: and yet because he might quote unquote have the goods

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01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: on Trump, everything was forgiven. Here's just a little taste

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01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: of how much mass media slabbered all over him at

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Speaker 1: the time. Take a listen. He's Donald Trump's worst nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Michael joining us once again is Michael Avnati. Let's bringing

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Speaker 1: in Michael Avnatti, Michaelevanaughti, Michael Labanatti, Michael Avanatti, Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. He's out there saving the country Don Meecham

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Speaker 1: says he may be the saving of the republic if

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Speaker 1: you are something of a folk hero. Now I owe

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Speaker 1: Michael Avanatti an apology. I've been saying enough for reading. Michael.

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Speaker 1: I've seen you everywhere. What do you love to say?

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Speaker 1: I was wrong? Brother, you have a lot to say.

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Speaker 1: I am just dying to hear what you think because

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Speaker 1: people all like you. I'm the only person right here

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump fears more than Robert Miller. We think you

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Speaker 1: guys are the tip of the spear that's going to

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Speaker 1: take down Donald Trump. Michaelavanatti is a beast. Okay, that's true,

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Speaker 1: and he's a beast. He's a beastie. I can't it

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Speaker 1: to her, and I can't it to Michael Abanatti. And

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Speaker 1: he has a great, bigger calling here that being a

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Speaker 1: lawyer is minimal compared to what he's doing. No one

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Speaker 1: has talked tougher directly to Donald Trump on TV than Michaelabanatti.

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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump is afraid to mention his name. That's fascinating. God,

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Speaker 1: I feel ill you remember all that. It was while

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Speaker 1: everyone thought that Abonnati's representation of Daniels would somehow miraculous

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Speaker 1: lead to his removal from office because of a violation

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Speaker 1: of campaign finance law. Now it really does seem hilarious

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Speaker 1: in retrospect, but the fever pitch in Washington was so high.

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Speaker 1: Everybody snorted what this guy was selling, and, like what

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Speaker 1: usually happens in that scenario, the fall from Grace was

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Speaker 1: rapid Avenatti. It turned out was a massive sack of

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Speaker 1: fill in the blank. He stole three hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: from the very client who he represented that he thought

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Speaker 1: was going to take down Trump. He arrested, was arrested

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Speaker 1: for a clownish extortion scheme over Nike with the client,

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Speaker 1: where he said that he would leverage his media star

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Speaker 1: Ardam to lob false accusations against the company and erase

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Speaker 1: billions of dollars off of their stock price. My personal favorite,

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Speaker 1: he was indicted or allegedly stealing four million dollars in

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Speaker 1: settlement money for a client of his who was a paraplegic.

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Speaker 1: You can look up the word human garbage in the

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01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: dictionary that picture it would be very fitting with his

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Speaker 1: right next to it. And it was so obvious from

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Speaker 1: the beginning that this person was a sleep bag. He

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Speaker 1: was peddling multiple false accusations like that of Julie Sweatnik

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Speaker 1: against Brett Kavanaugh, and yet they built him up into

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Speaker 1: a godlike figure. Not just in the clips I showed you.

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Speaker 1: Brian Stelter literally said Avnatti was a serious contender for

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty presidential race. Chris Salizza, right here on

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Speaker 1: the screen wrote quote President Michael Avnatti. Never say never.

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Rule of MSNBC repeatedly said on her program to

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Speaker 1: Avnatti's face, the Democrats should learn something from you, Michael.

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Speaker 1: For nearly a year, Avinatti was given probably a billion

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Speaker 1: dollars worth of free advertising across this country while he

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Speaker 1: extorted his clients and lied to the public, all because

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Speaker 1: he made Trump look bad. Even today, if you were

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Speaker 1: to ask many of the suburban liberal wine moms what

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Speaker 1: they think about Michael Avnatti, I bet you they would

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Speaker 1: still have a favorable opinion of him. Why because MSNBC

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Speaker 1: they just disappeared him into the ether. After over one

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Speaker 1: hundred cable news interviews on their air, MSNBC dedicated all

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Speaker 1: but two minutes to the sentencing of the man who

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Speaker 1: they once hailed as the savior of the Republic. Avinatti

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Speaker 1: was reduced to tears, crying, begging the court to show

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Speaker 1: mercy on him after extorting millions of dollars from clients

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Speaker 1: and being caught for the fraud that he was. So

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Speaker 1: what can we learn? This isn't about Avenati per se.

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Speaker 1: It's about the perfect example of how during the Trump years,

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Speaker 1: no matter how sleazy, no matter how transparently revolting smarmy

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Speaker 1: that you were, if you had a one percent chance

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Speaker 1: of being detrimental to Trump, the media would give you everything.

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Speaker 1: And by doing that they sacrificed any remaining credibility they

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Speaker 1: had with tens of millions of Americans. And now that

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Speaker 1: they've lost our trust, they question why do so many

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Speaker 1: people not trust us? Those who don't, Oh, they're the extremists.

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Speaker 1: They should be surveilled. Let me posit this. Maybe they're

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Speaker 1: the extremists and we're the normal ones. It's amazing, Crystal

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Speaker 1: to go. Lots going on at Sea Pack over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: where President Donald Trump spoke, and there were some other

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Speaker 1: interesting polling results and speeches that happened there. So here

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Speaker 1: to discuss New York Times is Jane Posting. She's host

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Speaker 1: of the Argument excellent podcast highly recommend you guys, all

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Speaker 1: subscribe link will be down there in the description. Jane,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate

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Speaker 1: it for great friends of the show. It's been a

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Speaker 1: long time. Yeah. I think you were one of my

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Speaker 1: first or my last realignment guests in person, one of

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Speaker 1: the last people I actually saw in the first time

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Speaker 1: I have ever seen you guest. So it's nice to

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Speaker 1: know you exist in the real world. I do exist

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Speaker 1: in the meat space. Meat space that's a very Joe

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Speaker 1: roganesque turf. So, Jane, we're we want to discuss with

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Speaker 1: you what happened at Seapack. We're actually discussing before the segment. Actually,

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Speaker 1: let's put this question before we even do anything. Do

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Speaker 1: Seapac matter? Like, why should we pay attention to what

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01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: happened with Seapack? Is it just you know, the coalition

1246
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Speaker 1: of the faithful, the most faithful, the media building it up.

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Speaker 1: What do you think Seapack is a performance the same

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Speaker 1: way any of these big conferences are performances. Their performance

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01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: for a very specific audience. This is like, this is

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Speaker 1: not just for people who are fans of the band.

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Speaker 1: This is for people who are stands of the band.

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01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: But what people are performing is important, and you see

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01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: that where you see you know, Alex Bearnson getting applause

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Speaker 1: from the crowd from noticing that America hasn't reached ninety

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Speaker 1: percent vaccination, which is something I think it's worth noting.

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Speaker 1: If Donald Trump were still president, people would be very

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Speaker 1: excited at Seapack if we reach ninety percent. Yes, right right,

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Speaker 1: Because it's I think it's attempting to glom on that

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Speaker 1: kind of anti vaxer or anti anti anti vaxer status

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Speaker 1: onto a purely partisan decision point. That's interest. But I

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Speaker 1: think also it's worth noting that like this performance at

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Speaker 1: Seapack and attempting to gain a name for yourself at Seapack,

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Speaker 1: it is itself not very important. It will not change

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Speaker 1: how people will perform in twenty twenty two or twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, which is I think very challenging for a

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Speaker 1: lot of political reporters because you want something to do

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Speaker 1: that's going to like be something you could look back

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Speaker 1: on in two years but and be like this was

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Speaker 1: the canary. Yeah exactly exactly. It probably is, and it's

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Speaker 1: probably just some canary. But Seapack, how people are performing

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Speaker 1: what they're saying at Seapack when you have Glenn Beck

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Speaker 1: showing off like a clan hood, and that also a

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Speaker 1: collection of Holocaust memorabilia off stage, which is a strange

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Speaker 1: decision point. But again, like this entire like the themes

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Speaker 1: of the Democrats of the real Party of slavery, and

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Speaker 1: that you know this vaccine isn't trustworthy and you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: trust the government, even though that you trusted the government

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Speaker 1: a year ago because Donald Trump was in charge of

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Speaker 1: the government, talked right at it's the one who under

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Speaker 1: whom yes's were developed, exactly like this all happened, but

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Speaker 1: it's I think Seapack, especially when a Democrat is in

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Speaker 1: the White House, is always such an interesting event because

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Speaker 1: it goes, it becomes very quickly come and take it,

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Speaker 1: when just last year it was like everything's amazing, the

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Speaker 1: government is great. Our only problem were Democrats. And I

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Speaker 1: think that when you see this rapid switching back and forth,

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Speaker 1: it's such a clearly partisan event that attempting to glean

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Speaker 1: like real importance from it, I think is almost impossible.

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Speaker 1: But again, what's being signaled matters here and how that

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Speaker 1: signaling is working well, And to your point, where Rand

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Speaker 1: Paul used to win the saphole and stuff. Obviously Randall

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Speaker 1: never ended up being president and in fact, you know,

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Speaker 1: relatively poor performance in his presidential campaign all of that.

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Speaker 1: So those are good caveats to keep in mind. One

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Speaker 1: of the things that we've tracked here, and I know

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Speaker 1: others have tracked as well, is that Joe Biden himself

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01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: seems to not be a particularly good villain, like not

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Speaker 1: the big applause lines. Did that continue to be the

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Speaker 1: case at this where he wasn't the thing that was

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Speaker 1: really animating the crowd, right, The thing that was animating

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Speaker 1: the crowd were things almost entirely disconnected from Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Because I think that when you think about what is

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01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: an effective enemy to the GUP, it needs to be

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01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: someone or something that seems purportedly more powerful than they are,

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01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: and that they more that they can pretend is more

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Speaker 1: powerful than they are. Because I've been thinking a lot

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01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: about right now we're kind of having these dueling victim

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Speaker 1: narratives because it's the most you know, it's the most

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01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: powerful idea in politics to be like, I'm the victim

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Speaker 1: of you. You're very powerful, You're Goliath, I'm David. Even

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01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: when you're a governor or a senator, and the person

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01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: you're yelling about is like some lady on Twitter something

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01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: like that. And so Joe Biden doesn't really fulfill that

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01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: role because you would have to the idea. And you know,

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Speaker 1: whenever I talk about this online, people are like, but

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01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: that's just classic fascism to pretend that someone is both

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01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: an idiot and and all knowing genius. And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the people who were thinking this, I've

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01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: worked quite that far in the reading that they're done.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna argue is limited, but it is hard to

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Speaker 1: say that like sleepy Joe is also part of this

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01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: giant cabal of secret geniuses who will destroy your life

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Speaker 1: as soon as they get a chance. I did see

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Speaker 1: a couple of people try the Bidens America. It just

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Speaker 1: didn't land. At now I got pretty amasing. And to

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Speaker 1: your point. Actually, we have this video of Louren Bobert

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Speaker 1: of what she was talking about, and I do think

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Speaker 1: it actually crystallizes kind of where some of the energy is.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. We're here to tell government we

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Speaker 1: don't want your benefits, we don't want your welfare. Don't

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Speaker 1: come knocking on my door with your fouty AUTI you

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01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: leave us the hell alone. So some Sarah Palin kind

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Speaker 1: of wanna be bought there. I mean, it's like this

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Speaker 1: blend of Reagan libertarianism with as you're saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: this deep animation around the vaccine. And yet people were

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01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: pointing out this weekend Trump also is trying to take

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Speaker 1: credit for the vaccine right in his press releases over

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Speaker 1: the week. It's just like, well, where is it. Is

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01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: this an area where like Trump is just dramatically out

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01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: of step with his base, or is it just pure

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01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: unadulterated culture war in that because Biden is in charge,

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01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people are just you know, antific, are

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01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: just opposed to it for this reason. Yeah, and look

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Speaker 1: that gets a lot of applause. Yeah, and ignore. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I regret to inform you we've had this conversation

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01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: many many times that kind of the like government for

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Speaker 1: good and populist. Yeah. I don't know how that's going, right, Yeah,

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01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: it's not going so well now as you can. I

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01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: see that in the welfare in particular, because you're like, hmm,

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01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: could have heard that speech in ninety six and in

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,799
Speaker 1: eighty one, right changed a law. Yeah, nothing has changed

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01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: from that rhetoric, though, again because you know it is

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01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: so clearly part of you know that at Sea Pack.

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Speaker 1: If Donald Trump were still president, I am sure that

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Speaker 1: you could have had a host of people from orncass

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Speaker 1: On down talking about how government can be for good,

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01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: right and about how we need to lift up the

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Speaker 1: working class that has been demolished by the same housing

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Speaker 1: restrictions you were just talking about, by a lot of

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Speaker 1: these local and state issues. But you're not getting that.

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01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 1: You're getting like, government's the problem. You know, the scariest

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01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: words in the English language are I'm from the government.

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01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm here to help. Like it's very reagan Esque. Right

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Speaker 1: after we were just kind of told by Conservatism ri

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01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: at large that they'd moved past Reagan and that this

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01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: is a different time and the economy is different. And

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Speaker 1: it turns out it's the economy is different. We are

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Speaker 1: in a different time. But that same kind of rhetoric

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01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 1: is incredibly effective when you have a Democrat in office,

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Speaker 1: and especially when you have a party that exists. And

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Speaker 1: I mean this when if I say this, I always

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Speaker 1: want to be careful that I don't mean this as

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Speaker 1: a negative or a positive. But when you have a

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Speaker 1: part like the Republican Party that operates best as reaction

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Speaker 1: As a reactionary party, I mean that when the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party does something, the Republican Party says no, right, And

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Speaker 1: that's basically where they find their most effectiveness. And I

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01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 1: think they can win the present. You can almost, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And I think that you know, you see that again

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Speaker 1: when you go back to what thousands of years ago,

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, you have the efforts to overturn the Udable

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Speaker 1: Care Act, repeal in the replace, repeal and replace, and

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01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: then Republicans get control of government and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is way harder than we right, And then there's

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Speaker 1: ten years building up, like we're going to do it better.

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Speaker 1: And then they're like, but we don't know how. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we don't know how. We really got We got very

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01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: busy during that ten years. There's a lot happening, and

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01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 1: so you see this this tension happening, and I think

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Speaker 1: that that's why you see so much. One of the

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Speaker 1: most challenging things about American politics right now is that

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of people who do have a

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01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,959
Speaker 1: lot of power in their own specific areas, but national

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01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: politics and national power is very different. Beast and so

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01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 1: you have a lot of governors, for example, Ron de Santos,

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Speaker 1: who you know, passing this social media legislation that they

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Speaker 1: are well aware of is going to die in court

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Speaker 1: because of how that reacts to you know, Section two

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Speaker 1: thirty and two surpassing law. But you have a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who want that kind of national power, but

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01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: they already have local power, but that's not quite enough.

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01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: And so you see this idea of I'm this incredibly

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01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: powerful person, but I am putting myself in this position

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01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: in which I appear to be less powerful because I'm

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01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: reacting to national interests. I'm reacting to national powers. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting because you see how you

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01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: know what people are using their power for and what

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01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: they aren't using their power for. People are using their

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01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: power to send very strongly worded letters, but they're also

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01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: using their letter their power to attempt to pass legislation

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01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: that's going to die in court, and they know that.

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01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 1: All they care about the discourse, right I care about

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01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: it is like how do I impact the national discourse

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01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: and what sort of like attention can I draw to myself?

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01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: And that's not a Republican party specific right now, it's

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01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: not a Republican and Democratic party thing. It's okay, that's

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01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 1: all politics. That is basically yeah, which is I think

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Speaker 1: if you are a person who values politics as a

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: vehicle to get a thing done, yeah, it's incredibly depressing,

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01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: even just like I've been thinking a lot. Chris Arnaid

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01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 1: wrote the fantastic book Dignity, and he's talked a lot

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Speaker 1: about the people who don't vote. We've had long conversations

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Speaker 1: about that. And I was thinking about, like, how if

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Speaker 1: I were a person living on the margins and you know,

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01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,480
Speaker 1: I didn't vote because I didn't feel represented, how offended

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01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 1: I would feel if I were told repeatedly by politicians that, like,

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Speaker 1: what voters care most about is this thing that I have,

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Speaker 1: I don't care about the What voters care most about

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01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: is social media censorship. What voters care most about are

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01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: these like specific issues that have to do with defunding

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01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: the police. Like if you're a voter or a non

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01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: voter on the margins and you're thinking, like, I can

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: can't afford rent, I don't know where my closest grocery

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01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: store is and I don't know how to get there

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,719
Speaker 1: and back, and my neighborhood is unsafe. But the cops

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01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: just sit there and wait for someone to do something

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01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: in front of them before they'll do anything. And if

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01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 1: I call the cops, I don't know if they'll come.

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01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: And it just like it's extremely as a person who's

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01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: interested in politics as a vehicle to do a thing

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01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: and not just a vehicle to be on your show

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01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,759
Speaker 1: or have these conversations on the internet or in public

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01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: or anywhere else. If you want politics to be about

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01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: creating a society and fomenting that society, it's a very

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01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: depressing time. So let me let me say, first of all,

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01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent with what you just said,

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01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: but the play Devil's advocate here and provide a counterpoint.

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01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: Biden just signed these executive orders on antitrust, which we

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01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: talked about here and covered basically just you know, going

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01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: through what Matt Stoller has said about them. And one

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01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: of the things that I did find really interesting is

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: it was one area where there's put potentially, if wielded

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01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: in the right way and followed through, which is a

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01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: gigantic if, could be truly transformational. And you had some Republicans,

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Speaker 1: Chuck Grassley, also conservative groups like the farm heuro coming

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Speaker 1: out and being like, yeah, we're actually for this, We're

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Speaker 1: into this. What did you make of that development that

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01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio has been in on the noncompete stuff. You know,

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01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: he's been into pushing to end at least noncompetes in

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Speaker 1: some contexts and settings. So what do you think of

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01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: that development and how that fits into this narrative. I

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01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: think that it is especially with regard to when you

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01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: see people and I disagree with a lot of peopleau

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Speaker 1: I've had this conversation with Glenn Greenwell and others where

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Speaker 1: if you have and I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: would argue that if you have people of competing ideologies,

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01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: but they come together and they find support for one

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01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 1: particular solution that would make them both happy, and they're like, well,

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01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: that's great, we've come together. We found the thing. I

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Speaker 1: have a lot of questions about where people are are

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Speaker 1: coming from on these particular issues. And I'll give you

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Speaker 1: an example when we talk about Amazon or social media

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Speaker 1: companies and you see a lot of criticism, but the

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Speaker 1: criticism coming from Marco Rubio for instance, if we go back,

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Speaker 1: I think the last time I was on the show,

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Speaker 1: we talked about Marco Rubio and pushing back on the

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Speaker 1: union where his issue. He had no problem with Amazon

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01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: asking people to urinate in bottles. He had a big

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Speaker 1: problem with the fact that Amazon might be mean the

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Speaker 1: conservatives with the WOKHR department right exag desire exactly, and

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Speaker 1: so you definitely have a moment where you see that

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Speaker 1: this wasn't a union issue for him, It was a

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Speaker 1: culture war issue. And if Amazon was like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: We're going to add Ryan t Anderson to our board

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Speaker 1: and we're just going to We're going to repivot to

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Speaker 1: this very you know, whenever your all your search results

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Speaker 1: will come with like we benefit back the blue or

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Speaker 1: something like that. But we're still going to mandate that

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Speaker 1: our workers work fourteen hours, sixteen hour twenty hour days

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Speaker 1: and can easily fired by text message. I think Marco

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Speaker 1: Ruby would be like, Okay, yeah, that's cool and always

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Speaker 1: sounds that's true. And I think that that's something that

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Speaker 1: comes as a concern to me. I think that there

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Speaker 1: is a we have this tendency that when people agree

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Speaker 1: with us on a thing, that we're like, well, you

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Speaker 1: must have come to the same ideological conclusions that I did.

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Speaker 1: They probably didn't, and it's okay. It doesn't doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: if it ends with Chuck Grassley and Joe Biden and

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Speaker 1: AOC being like farmers should have a right to repair

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Speaker 1: and we should break up the meat packing monopoly. I

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Speaker 1: think it really depends because I think that in certain

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Speaker 1: scenarios I would say that like, yeah, I think that

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Speaker 1: would be great, but it is worth thinking about what

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Speaker 1: the knock on effects of such a legislation will be.

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Speaker 1: This is why I'm an extremely irritating person, because I'm

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Speaker 1: always just like, okay, but what happens then and what

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Speaker 1: happens then? I'm like every person in any horror movie.

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Speaker 1: I'm the person who doesn't go in the basement. I

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Speaker 1: never go in the basement. Let's ask. Yeah, the sound

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Speaker 1: is me leaving. And so I think that that's something

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Speaker 1: where I'm like, yes, these people coming together with these

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Speaker 1: very divergent interests, but they want this similar thing. I'm

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Speaker 1: curious what they each think the knock on effects of

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Speaker 1: that thing will be. And clearly they see a political

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Speaker 1: advantage in whatever those knock on effects would be, and

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Speaker 1: I am curious to see, like how would those different,

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Speaker 1: Like if you think that it would be a really

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Speaker 1: good idea for this to happen because it'll benefit your

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01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: political position, not necessarily benefit the world writ large, because

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Speaker 1: we all think our politics in some ways would benefit

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Speaker 1: the world, but probably not. Yeah, and so I am

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Speaker 1: very skeptical about when you see these different political groups

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Speaker 1: coming together about a certain thing with a certain result,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to know what they each think the benefit

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01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: to themselves will be always appreciate. It is why we

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Speaker 1: enjoy talking you, because you're such an interesting thinker. Jane,

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01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: tell people about your podcast on plug your Thing. Where

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Speaker 1: can they find you? I'm at the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: I host the podcast Argument. Yeah. Yeah, Contrary to popular belief,

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Speaker 1: we're doing pretty okay, okay, although we did meet you recently.

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Speaker 1: But congratulations, Yah, I saw that. I look, it's real,

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Speaker 1: Count de Monte Cristo twenty years. I'll have like dug

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Speaker 1: up outside your apartment or something. I got right. It's

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Speaker 1: called the Argument. We have a lot of interesting conversations,

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Speaker 1: including a lot of friends of the show. Matt Taibi,

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Speaker 1: that's right. We argued lengthily, and we'll probably do it again.

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Speaker 1: This week's episode is about Biden receiving communion. It's very

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Speaker 1: Catholic centered. If you're into that kind of thing, okay,

1539
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 1: but we have a lot of interesting conversations. Sometimes it's

1540
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Speaker 1: really fun, sometimes it's really hard. But that's I think

1541
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Speaker 1: the most useful conversations to have. I personally really really

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Speaker 1: agree with that episode you had with Michael Brandon Dougherty,

1543
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: so I recommend people go listen to that one. We

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Speaker 1: really love having you. Jane, Thank you so much. Thank you, Jamie,

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Speaker 1: you you're very welcome. And to everybody else who is

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Speaker 1: out there, thank you all for watching or listening. You

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Speaker 1: down there in the description notes and screen. You guys

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Speaker 1: know the drill. We love you and we'll see you

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Speaker 1: all tomorrow. You're going to say something else there. You're

1552
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:17,919
Speaker 1: going to say like you get a shit ton of benefits.

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Speaker 1: You know you try not to go I try, I

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Speaker 1: try anyway. Thanks for watching, guys, look me back to Borrows. Then,

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