1 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum, and I am joined today as always 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: with the one and only Nancy Grays Morning Sunshine. 3 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, you can start off like that, butter 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: me up. But I know you're going to talk about 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: Scott Peterson. There's no way out for me. I better 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: heat up my tea. I better do a double tea 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: bag for this. I'm sorry, Cheryl, I can't think straight. 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: Somebody said, let's have ham and potato salad. I'm like, okay, 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: do you know what you have to do to make 10 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: homemade potato salad? You have to cut up a bunch 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: of potatoes. At first, you got to peel them. Then 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: you have to cut them up. Then you have to 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,959 Speaker 2: boil them, but not too much because you don't want 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: mashed potatoes. Then you have to chop it up celery 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: and onions and make your super secret sauce, mayonnaise and 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: mustard and Worcester shears pick holes. Oh, dear Lord in Heaven. 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: Okay now, and now Scott Peterson. Right on top of 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 2: all of. 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: That, when I say, before you say another word, and honey, 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: there you go. 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: Look who's talking, Look who's talking. 22 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: Listen seriously, before you say another word. I've gotten to 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: tell you. I fell out the other night. I am 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: watching you on Merritt Street. I'm not just a friend, 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: I am a fan. And when you said, and I 26 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: quote regarding Scott Peterson, you said, Scott Peterson wants to 27 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: speak out. Really shouldn't he have done that at trial? 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: Nancy and I laughed because here's the thing. The way 29 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: you said it was hilarious but absolutely accurate. 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: You're dead old. 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: If he had something to say, if there was some 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: way he could have gotten himself out of this situation, 33 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: he'd have done it then, not twenty years later. Because 34 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: TV showed. 35 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: Up in this business, the so called glamour TV radio 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: podcasting business. Uh huh yeah, same thing with being a trial. 37 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: They make you look so good on what La Law 38 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: and Boston Legal and blah blah blah, all of that. 39 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: It's so glamorous. It's nothing at all like that same 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: thing in this business. But what I'm working up to 41 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: is TV people will say and tell you anything to 42 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: get you to say what they want you to say. 43 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: They'll fluff you up, and by the time it's all 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: over it, you're like, what just happened? There is no 45 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: telling what they told Scott Peterson and all of those 46 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: people that piled on and went, oh, yeah, he's totally innocent. 47 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to even look at Twitter, but 48 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: I do. You know why, because I find so many 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: cases there that I haven't heard about and that need attention. 50 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: I'm telling you everyone that's piling on was not there 51 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: for the trial. And as I was saying, I hate 52 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: to even look at Twitter, but I do because guess 53 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: what I found there last week? Mom Tabot, I didn't 54 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: know anything about her missing, you know, the young mom, 55 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: the pediatric nurse. Yes, I mean I hope you know 56 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 2: about mom to and so many others. That's just the 57 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: one that off the top of my head. But I 58 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: look looking for cases, and I usually find a lot 59 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: of them. But I also see all the other stuff. 60 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: Your Hardball's got, Peters and Zennacent, little Little Love lother 61 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: and I just among other things. You're ugly. Why are 62 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: you on TV? Right? 63 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: But you know I always tell people the way you 64 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: worked a courtroom and the way you laid a case 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: out was you know, it's just a stroke of brilliance 66 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: to me. Every time I ever had the opportunity to 67 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: watch you, And I know on this case, some of 68 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: the things that you would have done, and one of 69 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: the things you would have done, without question, you would 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: have had a big old board that just said December ninth. 71 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: What are you doing on Christmas Eve? I am. I'm 72 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: not shopping anymore because I have done that far in advance. 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: But I'm cooking and I'm prepping to let's just say, 74 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 2: prepare for Santa to arrive and we have a big 75 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: meal with all of my family. The Lynch family comes 76 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: to Saturday before Christmas, and then Christmas Eve, my family 77 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: comes and you know, my mom lives with me, and 78 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: she is quite as a cook. She can make anything 79 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: from soul food to a fancy French soufle. Anyway, I 80 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: have to make it just right or miss thing will 81 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: not eat it. Okay, So I'm doing all that. We 82 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: have the church service where somehow I managed to you'll 83 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: get the twins in on the Christmas pageant, much to 84 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: their chagrin and all that. So who is gonna leave 85 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: your wife at home preparing a Christmas Eve? Get together 86 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: and go fishing? Oh, excuse me, golf Which one was it? Exactly? 87 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: He says, golfing? But he went fishing. 88 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: He decided he went fishing once he got spotted by 89 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: the marina worker who saw him trying to back his 90 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: boat in correct. 91 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: You know our big family, Christmas starts Christmas Eve, so 92 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: that's when all the powe wills started, all the carrying on. 93 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 1: You know we have I had. That is a real hooton, 94 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: Nanny right there, honey, it is something we start opening press, but. 95 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 2: We all cook up some hootch and a big trash 96 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: can in the backyard. It's Christmas Eve. Choose the gun 97 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: in the. 98 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: Air keeping people off the roofs the Sanda can land 99 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: without obstruction. 100 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: I guess who's here? David? 101 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: Shut up, David shut up? 102 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: What are you doing with the fizzy drink? You think 103 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: that's going to give you energy? Poor thing? I had 104 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: him feeling onions, feeling and potatoes at five o'clock this morning. Okay, see, 105 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: that's what Scott Peterson would have been doing. He would 106 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: have been helping Lacey prep the meal, the big meal 107 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: for everybody coming over. But no, no, he's. 108 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: Got to go dump or body. And here's the thing, 109 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: Nancy again, I. 110 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: Know you. 111 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: Would have walked that jury through the relevance of December 112 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: the ninth because again I can see you in my mind. 113 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: I know what you would have done. And everybody needs 114 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: to understand the relevance. I tell you know, young detectives 115 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: all the time. This case don't start the day that 116 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: person is killed. It starts before that. And this did too. 117 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: What meant buys a boat that all his friends and 118 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: family don't know about. 119 00:06:54,000 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: It, especially friends, because some not just men, but people 120 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: women to hide large expenditures. Why because the family, especially 121 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: the wife, but the family, the mom, the dad, the 122 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: in laws, They know you cannot afford it. If I 123 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: was to pull up in a Porsche or a Mercedes, 124 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: everybody would fall out. Can you see me driving around 125 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: as something like that, you know, in debt up to 126 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: my neck in hawk on a lease for a luxury car? Oh? 127 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: No way. Every time I see one of those go by, 128 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: I think, Okay, there goes the twins college fun right there? 129 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: So no, So people hide sometimes hide bit expenditors. Right, 130 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: so I can get with a straight face why he 131 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: may not have told Acey. I can get why he 132 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: may not have told his in laws, maybe his parents, 133 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: but not his friends. No, not Amber, his mistress, not 134 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 2: any of his friends, none of his coworkers, people that 135 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: would accept his cheating and everything else about him. You 136 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: can't tell me. None of his friends knew he was 137 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: cheating as bs, so he wouldn't even tell them about 138 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: the boat. And you know, I've always been curious if 139 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: anyone spoke to the boat salesperson. I wonder if he 140 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: said I'm keeping this a secret, or or what he 141 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: said if anything, Maybe nothing, but maybe something mm hmm. 142 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: But speaking of the Amber Fry, she plays a role 143 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: in December ninth too, because that is the day he 144 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: told her his wife was dead. 145 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: Well wait a minute, wait a minute, you left out 146 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: that artistic touch. It's not just quote I lost my wife. 147 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: Those are his words. This would be my first Christmas 148 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: without her. Okay, you just had to add that little 149 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: twist of the knife. And yes, it would be his 150 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: first Christmas without his wife. 151 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: That's right, And that is very specific. If she went 152 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: missing Christmas Eve, that's a tie Winda. And he told 153 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: you flat out in every way she ain't going to 154 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: be here Christmas, and he knew that December ninth. 155 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 2: You know, I just had a flashback to Beaning Court 156 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: and that would be a wonderful moment for a pregnant 157 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 2: pause he told his mistress on December nine, he just 158 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: lost his wife. His words, not mine. I just lost 159 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: my wife. And this will be my first Christmas without her. 160 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: And he said it in a sad, touching, poignant way, 161 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: my first Christmas without her. That would be a great 162 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: moment to stop at the jury rail and physically turn 163 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: around and look at him, my first Christmas without her, 164 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: and lo and behold, either he's a clairvoyant or he's 165 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: a killer. 166 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: Amen. Amberfry is a freaking hero. She had no idea 167 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: she was in the mistress role. She had no idea 168 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: Lacey existed. She didn't know anything. And then when she 169 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: finds out here he is on TV. Here his wife's missing. 170 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: And he didn't want to be on TV. Remember that 171 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: he didn't want to make the outcry. He wanted her 172 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: high school friends to do it, her parents to do it. 173 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: He didn't want his face on TV. And now, of 174 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: course we know why. But when she found out, she 175 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: went straight to the police. 176 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder how he phrased that to her parents 177 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: and his family. I don't want to beg someone for 178 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: her return. One I already know where she is, and 179 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: two I don't want my mistress to see me. 180 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty much it when Amberfry got him on 181 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,119 Speaker 1: that recording. 182 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: Can I tell you something, I met Amber many times 183 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: and has spoken to her in private many times. She's 184 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: nothing like she's portrayed to be. She's portrayed to be 185 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: sleazy mistress. She's nothing like that. She was a great 186 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: young lady that thought she found quote the one was 187 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: so excited about her date for the Christmas party. And 188 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 2: he leaves Lacey at home to take her to the party. 189 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: That's where the infamous photo of him was taken with 190 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: his hand on her Amber's rear end, smiling, and all 191 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: the time Lacey could hardly walk around, which is, you know, 192 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: a fantastical story that she was out walking the dog 193 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: and confronting burglars. I mean, I remember, remember I came 194 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: home from New York. Let's see, was I still working 195 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: both Court TV and HLM. I can't, no, no, no, 196 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: I think by that time i'd quit Court TV. But 197 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: that said, I'd come home for the weekend and David 198 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: and I were going to go get dinner. I didn't 199 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: feel like cooking at all, and I was walking into 200 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 2: the restaurant and he stepped ahead of me to open 201 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 2: the door and some a man, an old man, went, 202 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: you better take her to the hospital. She can hardly walk. 203 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: And it's true. I can't explain it, but I could 204 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: hardly walk. I felt so bad. And the next day 205 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: I had Sunday, I had an emergency cincerian and they 206 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: told me if I had waited, Lucy would have died. 207 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 2: So I'm just thinking about people. Many people said Lacy 208 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 2: could hardly walk, and I put myself. I project how 209 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: I felt at that time, and I was all propped 210 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: up on pillows. It you gave me a shock baby shower, 211 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: and I think about her, hardly able to walk, according 212 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 2: to multiple witnesses that knew her. And then the story 213 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 2: is that she thought she saw a burglary across the 214 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: street and went to confront the burglars or was out 215 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: walking far away from the house with the dog straining 216 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: at the leaves trying to get away. That did not happen. 217 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: She was in no condition to do that. 218 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, I have got a picture of you 219 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: from that baby shower, and you are so cute and 220 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: you are so happy, and it's just that time. You're 221 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: never going to have a time like that again. In 222 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: your life with so much hope and so much joy, 223 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: and you cannot wait for those babies to get here, 224 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: to love on them and enjoy them every single day. 225 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: And that was stolen not just from Lacey, but her mama, 226 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: her brother, her stepfather, all these people, her high school friends. 227 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: And that's another thing. If David were to tell me, well, 228 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: Nancy left me and the twins, I'm gonna tell you something. 229 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: If he even said you went on for an hour, 230 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm not going to believe it. When you've got somebody 231 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: that's not searching for Lacey, not making an outcry, not 232 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: completely out of his mind, looking for her and his son. 233 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: Those are not just flags. That is beyond obvious. It's 234 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: beyond Hey, you absolutely had You've had something to do 235 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: with it, because again, you're more concerned about a boat 236 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: than you are your wife and child. 237 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: And I mean, we can get into the intricacies of 238 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: why would he leave her at a time like that 239 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: to pursue going fishing, But I mean, some people just 240 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: can't relate to other people that are in need. Either 241 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: they can't or it's upsetting to them. There's a lot 242 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: of reasons why people flake out when someone else really 243 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: needs them, but at this point, I mean when I 244 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: heard that right then I knew then when his story changed, 245 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: where he was that day? No, I mean, if you 246 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: asked me where were you last night, I can tell 247 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: you exactly where I was. The twins had juggling tutors 248 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: and I was trying to juggle dinner around them. I 249 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: ate with one, then I ate with the other, and 250 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: then I worked until I fell asleep. 251 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: Nancy, let's talk about her high school friends. I think 252 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: they were so critical in this thing. I mean, they 253 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: knew she wouldn't go off anywhere, they knew he wasn't 254 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: acting right, and they were just a solid wall, just 255 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: this force of advocacy that was critical to me. 256 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: I agree. And what's so important? And I see it 257 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: in other cases where there is not that close group 258 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: of friends, that the case does turn out differently because 259 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: nobody really knows the victims' habits or what they would 260 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: do in any certain situation. I was just thinking back 261 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: on mom to bought Bhatt that I found on Twitter. 262 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: Thank you to whoever sent that to me. We've already 263 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: covered it once, recovering it again next week. Guess who 264 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: is searching for Mom to her friends from her baby shower, 265 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: her baby shower friends. They are the ones that are 266 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: doing the flyers and the social media and literally gathering volunteers, 267 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: mostly women, and searching, walking the neighborhood, walking beyond the neighborhood, 268 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: basically doing grid searches, you know, projecting out from where 269 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: her home is. That's who's doing it, her baby shower friends. 270 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: I start comparison to Lacy Peterson, who's friends and of 271 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: course her mother and stepfather. I hate to even call 272 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: him a stepfather, because he was like a father to her. 273 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: Uh Ron Gransky, and they were the ones spearheading it. 274 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: And I always found it extremely interesting that the Peterson 275 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: family always held back. You know, if I were to 276 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: go missing, first of all, just go ahead and put 277 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 2: David in jail with his big hoe. He's wrangled, and 278 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: she is not raising my children. That is not happening. 279 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: But his family, I don't know how I fell into 280 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: such a pot of honey with the Lynches, But his 281 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: family would be at the forefront trying to find me. 282 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: They wouldn't be hanging back in the shadows and talking 283 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: on the phone with their mistress during the vigil. That's 284 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: not going to happen. 285 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: No, and your sister in law wouldn't stand behind him 286 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: for twenty years telling everybody they were wrong about all 287 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: the evidence that is so glaring, like the hair implyers. 288 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: I don't really blame Jane I don't Janie Peterson, because 289 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: when you love someone, that's what you want to see, 290 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: and that's what you will see. But there is a 291 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: really strong streak of denial in the evidence that exists. 292 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: A lot of the evidence what's circumstantial, that's true, like 293 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: the experiment with his boat and other but then there 294 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 2: was so much overwhelming evidence pointing to his lies and 295 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: his behavior. I mean, you know, Cheryl, if you don't 296 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 2: come home for three days, you think Walt is going 297 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: to go order the porn channel and try to sell 298 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 2: your car, That's not going to happen. No, it is 299 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: not going to go straight to hell on a hatchet 300 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 2: if he tries. 301 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: That's right. You and I have talked many, many times 302 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: about the photographs that family members choose to put out 303 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: when somebody's missing. We've talked about John Benet. If that 304 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: six year old was truly missing, her mama put out 305 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: a picture. Nobody's going to recognize that child from her pageant. Photograph. 306 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: She doesn't look like that. Her hair doesn't look like that, 307 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: her clothes, her face, the makeup, she doesn't look that way. 308 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: If I go missing and walk gives you a picture 309 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: of us from high school, that girl don't exist. No, mo, 310 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: you're not gonna find me from her worrying. 311 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: If he did that, I would hog Tim immediately in 312 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: the front yard and call the police. Okay, that's what 313 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 2: would happen. Okay, And you can tell him I said that. 314 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: And y'all that's why you keep that friend group close. 315 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna need him so But the picture they put out, 316 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't a picture Scott put out her friends again. 317 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: It was that adorable picture and that burgundy outfit from 318 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: her baby shore. They made the flyers. They were putting 319 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: the flyers out. Scott, meanwhile, of course, is trying to 320 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: keep dating Amber Fry and lying about being in France 321 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: and not searching for and standing in the background of 322 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: the vigil, not wanting to talk to the media and 323 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: not make a play for her return. 324 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: I mean, at a certain point, don't you say, Look, 325 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 2: I love you, I really do. I'm so happy in life. 326 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: But I've got to be honest with you. My wife 327 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: has gone missing. And I know I didn't tell you 328 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: I was married. I hope you know whatever men tell 329 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 2: their mistresses and whatever story, but it would seem that 330 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: you'd at least want to find your unborn son. 331 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: Right. And he tells the media, I can't even go 332 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: in that room. I can't go in that room till 333 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: he's home. Well, then you find out it's a storage room. 334 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: He's just throwing all kind of junk in there. 335 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. I was looking at some evidence last 336 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: night about Scott Peterson. And when police, first, law enforcement 337 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: first came there, the home was pristine. Okay, everything was 338 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 2: neat and in order. The nursery for Connor was perfectly appointed. 339 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: When they came back just a few days later, he 340 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: had started already storing things in the baby's room. The 341 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 2: rocking chair, which had been sitting there like lady was 342 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: about to sit down and read a story and write. 343 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: The baby was basically covered in stuff, clothes, everything. The 344 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: roomage has become the throwaway room, and the search was 345 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: still on. He knew they weren't coming. 346 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: Home absolutely, which is the reason he sold her car 347 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: and tried to sell the house. 348 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: One thing I always loved is, and I've seen it 349 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: over and over. Think about Coburger, but many other, many, 350 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: many other cases where the killer or the perp always 351 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: comes back to the scene and I don't know why. 352 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: I don't know why they do that. It's like why 353 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: does a dog circle around three times before it sits down. 354 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: I don't know, but it does. He would go out 355 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 2: and gaze out onto San Francisco Bay why, I guess what, 356 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 2: looking for Lacey's body to show up, over and over 357 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 2: and over, and that was proven by GPS tracking multiple times. 358 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: He won be sure nobody was out there wise to 359 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: him that nothing had surfaced. And I'm gonna tell you 360 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: something else. You were so nice just then about the 361 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: sister in law. But I'm gonna tell you something. When 362 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 1: you've got cash money from family, and you've got your 363 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: brother's ID and you've been hey, I'm going to show 364 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: up and play golf with y'all right before I tried 365 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: to head to Mexico. That's not that family being in denial. 366 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: That to me is Aiden and a Benton. And I'm 367 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: just telling you they knew. They knew he was headed 368 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: to Mexico to hide and flee. They knew it because 369 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: they helped him. And you know, you look at who 370 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: championed for her, who fought for her high school friends, 371 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: not her husband or his family. 372 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: One of the lines of defense was that someone stole 373 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: ACiE and cut her open to get the baby. It's 374 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: just like somebody kidnapped John Manay for the one hundred and 375 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 2: eighteen thousand dollars. But you know what, screw that. I 376 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 2: was going to kill her right here and leave her 377 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: in the basement. Same thing with I remember the night 378 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: that Mark Garrigos tried that out on me on the 379 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 2: Larry King Show, and it was cut to ribbons, and 380 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: so that defense went quickly by the wayside. But that 381 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: was one considered a line of defense that someone had 382 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: kidnapped Lace for the baby, sliced her open and gotten 383 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 2: the baby. But then said, oh, you know what, forget 384 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: that plan. We're just going to throw in the day, 385 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: forget the baby. I know we kidnapped her with all 386 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 2: those intentions, but toy with it. 387 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: And how lucky for them that Scott decides at that 388 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: exact moment that his wife's being murdered, Hey, I'm not 389 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: going to go play golf. I'm going to take out 390 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: this boat that don't nobody know about and go to 391 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: the exact place that she and Connor are dumped. 392 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 2: There was also the defense of the Hawaiian gang, so 393 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 2: I guess they were just spitting out anything hoping somebody 394 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: would believe it. But all that's gone by the wayside. 395 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: In there they decided to the winner is the burglars 396 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: across the street, who, by the way, were found questioned. 397 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: I believe, pollied and excluded. And it reminds me of 398 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: OJ Simpson. I'll tell you why Why would police lapd 399 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying they're saints, They're not nuns and 400 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: priests and virgins, I know that. Why would they set 401 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 2: about to bring down one of the most beloved football 402 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 2: icons everybody loves remember the commercials him running through the airport. 403 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: For sure it hurts Rental hurt, yeah, yeah, and everybody 404 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: loved him, So why pick him to bring him down 405 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: on a double murder? He didn't commit same thing here. 406 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 2: If you have the killers in your clutches, the burglars, 407 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: which they did behind bars, why would you go about 408 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: framing a guy that everybody seemingly loved. It's mind boggling. 409 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: It defies logic on every turn. So those guys were found, 410 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: they were questioned, and they were ruled out. Yet still 411 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: that's the best line of defense they've got, so they're continuing. 412 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: I just don't understand the parade of followers, the blind 413 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: sheet following along. 414 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: And let's just give them something. In the last twenty years, 415 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: every appeal, everything that's been retested, every person they've tried 416 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: to find is some kind of witness that would help 417 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: him out. Every single thing has failed. It has failed 418 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: because he did it. It was proven beyond a reasonable 419 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: doubt to the jury and has been proven every day since. 420 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 1: There is no evidence that's going to show that anybody 421 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: else did anything to Lacy Peterson. 422 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: Can I just ask you about one other case very quickly, 423 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 2: that is in Stark const to Peterson, where I think, 424 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: although I hate it, I think a new trial may 425 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 2: be warranted. I'm not happy about it, but I understand 426 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: if it happens. Alex Murdagug, Yes, do I think that 427 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 2: Becky Hill and a few offhand comments convinced a jury 428 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 2: to guilty. No, at most one of them, at most 429 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: or two of them may have said, Wow, she thinks 430 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: he's guilty, doesn't she, And they go about their business, right, 431 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: that'll be what she said to the jury. I highly 432 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 2: doubt made them come up with a guilty verdic even 433 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: one of them. They didn't know her. So long story short, 434 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: I don't believe she affected the jury's decision. But if 435 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: she made those comments, even offhandedly, and I'm looking at 436 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: it in the light most favorable to her, if that happened, 437 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: I don't see a way around a new trial. I 438 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 2: really don't, because it's the appearance of impropriety and where 439 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 2: do you draw the line. An appellate court is not 440 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 2: a fact finder, and so if they can't decide, oh, well, 441 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 2: what we're saying right now that it didn't affect the 442 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: injury decision, they can't make that determination. They cannot be 443 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: a finder a fact. So if there is this question 444 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: of fact, they're going to have to remand that for 445 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: a new trial. 446 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: I agree, and they should, and it's going to have 447 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: the same outcome. So there ain't a reason a panic, 448 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: But it's got to be done right. 449 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: Oh Lord have mercy. It's not a good thing when 450 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: the defense has your whole playbook, because they'll spend all 451 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 2: night for re preparing a line of defense, changing their story. 452 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: The only good thing about when they change their story. 453 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 2: You have the transcripts from the previous trial to show 454 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 2: that they're changing their story. But it's quote never the same. 455 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: You can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. But I 456 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 2: think on the other end of the spectrum that there 457 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 2: will very likely be a new trial. I don't think 458 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: anybody really wants that, except Marlck himself, but I think 459 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: that that's coming down the pint Cheryl. So I guess 460 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: I'll see you in South Carolina. 461 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: I will see you as South Carolina. But even more importantly, 462 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: I get to see you in person this Sunday, and 463 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: I cannot wait. 464 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: You know what, very rarely in our line of business 465 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: do we ever get to celebrate, and it's not really 466 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: a celebration. People would you know, when I had a 467 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: jury verdict coming it was a verdict, watch, people would go, 468 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: I guess you're going out parting tonight. That would be 469 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: the last thing on my mind. You know, I'd be 470 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: like exhausted. I'd have a calendar with one hundred and 471 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: fifty new people to attend to plead them, investigate them, 472 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: try them. You know, in the end of the trial, 473 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: everybody leaves the courtroom, broken hearted because then you realize, okay, 474 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: we got justice, now what and you're just looking at 475 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: this big empty space you got to jump into like 476 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: jumping off a cliff. So it's a tough time. I 477 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 2: would always have like a moment where I could exhale 478 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: and go, Okay, one down next, but there. I'm looking 479 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: forward to Sunday because the family, what's left of them 480 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: of Melissa Wolfenberger, have some they have that moment where 481 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: they're going to go, oh, thank Heaven, we got him, 482 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: and you know, then they're going to go about the 483 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: business of trying to put their lives back together. So 484 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to thankfully thanks to you. Get to be 485 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: there in that moment where they say, Okay, we got him, and. 486 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: You know it may not be a celebration, but you know, 487 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: my little Episcopaian self, I do believe in honoring the gratitude, 488 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: and I am so grateful. I'm grateful to you. I'm 489 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: grateful to Karen Greer, I'm grateful to doctor and you, 490 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: Arnold and everybody else is going to be in that 491 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: room and that needs to be celebrated. So I can't 492 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: wait to see Sugar. 493 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it too, And you know, there's 494 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 2: a big difference between the Baptists and the Methodists and 495 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: the Episcopalians. From what I understand, I still don't know 496 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: what the Lutherans are up to, even though synth so 497 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: good twins to a Lutheran preschool for a year. I 498 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: saw a big picture of Jesus in the hallway, and 499 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, they're fine. But that was when I 500 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 2: would still sit in the parking lot and work while 501 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 2: they were in play school. Okay and cry. 502 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: If you've got thirty seconds, you want to hear my 503 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: grandfather's favorite joke. 504 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead. 505 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: So this man dies goes to heaven Saint Peter's giving 506 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: him a tour. He said, come on, here's the first room, 507 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: and honey, that room is so, you know, kind of calm. 508 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: A little piano is playing, you know, nice little function 509 00:30:59,440 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: going on. 510 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: Now. It must be the Episcopals, he said, who's that. 511 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: He goes, oh, that's the Methodist you know, very beautiful day, 512 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: you know, very you know, sophisticated, a great time. They 513 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: go to this next room, honey, it's an all out party. 514 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: There is a guitar and drums going at this party 515 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: and there's dancing and carried on. 516 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: Well, of course that's Episcopalians. 517 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: That's fabulous. And he gets to the next room silent. 518 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: It's so quiet. Nobody's saying a word. 519 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 2: Let me guess the Baptist or he either liquor. 520 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: He goes, Now, we got to creep by this room. 521 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: And so they creep by the room and they get by, 522 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: and the man said, who was that? Insat Peter said, 523 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: that's the Baptist. And we have to be quiet because 524 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: they think they're the only ones here. 525 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: Now you know David was a Baptist. And there was 526 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: one little headline. I believe it's in the making telegraph. 527 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 2: Grace secretly marries his husband converts because he was a Baptist, 528 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: and we got married by a Methodist pastor. But wait 529 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: a minute. The joke I have is, what's the difference 530 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: between a Baptist and a Methodist? What the Methodist will 531 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: at least say hello with a liquor store. Yeah, amen, 532 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 2: oh lord, have mercy. Okay, So, and you know, David 533 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: comes from a long line of hardcore Baptist. His mother 534 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: could sniff a can of beer a mile away. Let 535 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 2: me tell you about tell you about my grandmother who 536 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: raised me, you know, because mother and daddy were working 537 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: like crazy. So Mama was a teetotaler like myself, except 538 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: she thought, unlike me, that drinking was an actual sin. 539 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 2: So one day my brother Rude, Rude, Rude says to Mama, well, 540 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 2: what about Christpher's miracle He turned water into wines? And 541 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 2: she's waited. There was a pause. I'm like, oh, dear 542 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: Lord in Heaven, she doesn't have an answer. There was 543 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: like a five second polsey. She said, it wasn't for 544 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: a minute. I love her so much if I could 545 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: only be with her for five minutes. Okay, that said Peterson, 546 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: you're going back to jail, murdog, you're getting any trial. 547 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: There we go and as. 548 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: You say, we live to fight another day. 549 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: We lived to fight another day. 550 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is the Crime Roundup with 551 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: Zones Heaven.