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Speaker 1: Our main question for today's show, John and I yesterday

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Speaker 1: Where we're gonna focus on today is teams that had

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Speaker 1: hit article on NFL dot com that gil Brandt wrote,

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Speaker 1: and the Giants are listed as number one on his

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Speaker 1: list of what he did, the top seven he focused on,

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Speaker 1: So we'll get into that. We'll get your feedback on

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Speaker 1: that article, as well as anything else you want to

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Speaker 1: delve into. Monday will be another O t A with

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Speaker 1: discussion today, and and let's start with this article, Paul.

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Speaker 1: What gil focuses on is not just player acquisitions. He

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Speaker 1: also looks at the arrival of Dave Gettleman and Pat

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Speaker 1: Giants had a productive all season. Well, I think when

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Speaker 1: you asked the question who did the best terms of

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Speaker 1: the offseason acquisitions, it's fair to say that the coach,

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Speaker 1: they not living people in the organization. So we have

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Speaker 1: seen many times over the years where teams may be

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Speaker 1: So why shouldn't that be part of it. I'm on

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns with two picks in the first four and

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Speaker 1: then having as higher pick in every round subsequent to that,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna scream at you. I mean they got

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Speaker 1: I'd be hard pressed to do that. Well, of all

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Speaker 1: the seven teams that he listed, and let's just go

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Speaker 1: The Rams are four, Vikings three, Browns two, and then

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Speaker 1: the Giants are one. I think the Giants certainly are

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Speaker 1: I really like what the Bears did. Paul doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: I just like some of the players they brought in.

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Speaker 1: They added the coach too correct. They also made some changes.

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Speaker 1: But the reason I like the players is, you know

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Speaker 1: how some off seasons teams are attractive because they added

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Speaker 1: They just added what I think is talent upgrades and

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Speaker 1: According to Gil's perspective, now those would not be additions. No,

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is certainly number one. But you know, people

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Speaker 1: and guys obviously bought into what case Keenan was selling people.

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Speaker 1: that impact the chemistry, the overall camaraderie of the offense.

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Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, how you doing? Guys? Long time they'll talk?

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Speaker 1: I'm over hearing you guys talk about the most productive

429
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Speaker 1: off season, and my fellow Giants fans are gonna kill

430
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Speaker 1: me for saying this. I don't think the Giants are

431
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Speaker 1: that they are the number one most productive off season.

432
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go with the Philadelphia Eagles, as

433
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Speaker 1: as much as that pains me to say that they're

434
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl champs. In my opinion, they got a

435
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: little bit better, a lot to be said by keeping

436
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: the players you got versus the players you get, and

437
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: and what they have done in the off season. To me,

438
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 1: they are just scary. To me, They've gotten better, they

439
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: got the same physicality, a few pieces that they're missing.

440
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Speaker 1: But to me, the most productive offseason is the Philadelphia Eagles.

441
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: I hate to say that. Um I would put Giants

442
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: probably number five behind the Rams in Chicago, but I

443
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: don't want to get into the technicalities of that. And

444
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: one more thing I'm gonna get into is all the

445
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: fans who are trying to get on Eli Manning about

446
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: the whole draft process should have drafted a quarterback of

447
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Let me tell you why that didn't

448
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 1: work out the last couple of years with Eli manning.

449
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: A West Coast offense needs two things. One, you need

450
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: a quarterback that is mobile, and you need a quarterback

451
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: who was very accurate. Eli is not really both of

452
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: those things. With Eli is the offense that this new

453
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Speaker 1: regime is bringing in. And I want people to understand

454
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: that you're gonna see a whole different Eli, and everybody

455
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: should just trust the process. And I think everything's gonna

456
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: work out fine. And then I'm gonna try calling you

457
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: guys back before the Houston and Dallas game because I'm

458
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: gonna buy you guys a beer if you can make

459
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Speaker 1: it down to my section. All right, I appreciate the

460
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: phone call to talking with you. Don't be a stranger

461
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: in the future. I think he brings up a valid

462
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: point about the Philadelphia Eagles. They weren't on the list

463
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Speaker 1: of seven. We were reacting more to Guild Brandt's article

464
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Speaker 1: on NFL dot Com in case you're just tuning in.

465
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Speaker 1: But Nigel Bradham retaining him huge linebacker, big part of

466
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Speaker 1: that defense. I mean that was a significant resigning for them.

467
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: They added Holwly, nota a veteran defensive lineman, most notably

468
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Speaker 1: with Baltimore, is with Detroit most recently. They brought that

469
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: done by the way, so you know, but another guy

470
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Speaker 1: that Jim Schwartz can continue to rotate in. So you know, Philadelphia,

471
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,479
Speaker 1: it's easy to dismiss that because you're figure are right,

472
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Speaker 1: they're bringing back essentially the same team. But I think

473
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Speaker 1: it was worded very well, and I'm paraphrasing the last

474
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Speaker 1: caller where sometimes it's what you do to retain and

475
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: keep your roster in constet much more so than what

476
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Speaker 1: you add to the team. And I think that was

477
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: very well said. I agree with that philosophically. Uh And

478
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question that the Eagles will

479
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: be a Super Bowl contender again this year. There's there's

480
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Speaker 1: no question about that. Be fools not to say that,

481
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: but we all know in this league, repeating is just

482
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: a ridiculous thought to have. I mean, outside of the

483
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: Patriots of the last fifteen years, who gets to do that.

484
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: It just doesn't happen. Well, quicksand the parody you could

485
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: have brought that up. I know I took the words

486
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Speaker 1: right out of your mouth. You have to pay for that.

487
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: I know, well, yeah, listen, I owe yeah a lot

488
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Speaker 1: of money how many times I've been adopting that rule.

489
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Speaker 1: But related to also what the last caller brought up

490
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Speaker 1: in terms of Eli Manning perhaps becoming a different quarterback

491
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Speaker 1: this season. Given the new offensive philosophy, I think certainly

492
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: Shermer will try to open things up, perhaps down the

493
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: field like we saw with Kevin Gilbride a little bit more.

494
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Speaker 1: But I also think that you can't dismiss the fact

495
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Speaker 1: that I remember Schermer's philosophy does include West Coast principles

496
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Speaker 1: because he's done the Andy Reids, so it's not as

497
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Speaker 1: if the West Coast is just completely being removed. Much

498
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Speaker 1: more variable than your typically West Coast though, yeah, I

499
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Speaker 1: mean we know last year how the Vikings lad the

500
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Speaker 1: league and run percentage. I mean, that's not typical from

501
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Speaker 1: what these winged around spread offenses of the West Coast

502
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Speaker 1: like to do. It's more along the lines of the

503
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Speaker 1: older West Coast offense, which, if you remember, Roger Craig

504
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: ran the ball an awful lot for the forty nine

505
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: is when Bill Walsh was running it, But then it

506
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: kind of got away from that kind of stuff and

507
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: the West Coast offense became to mean we're just gonna

508
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: fling it. Well, Shearmer kind of goes back to the

509
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: older stuff where the run game is a much more

510
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: important part of it. And look, bottom line, with more

511
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: weaponry at Ellie's disposal, his touchdown into too interception ratio

512
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: is gonna be better. His yards per attempt and yards

513
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: per completion are gonna be better because they're gonna have

514
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: a ton more yards after the catch with guys like

515
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Speaker 1: Beckham on the field for the whole season and Barkley

516
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: on the field for the whole season. So all you

517
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: stat people out there, all you analytics people and fantasy

518
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: football people who have been dumping shovel holds the dirt

519
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: on Eli Manning, too bad. You're not gonna be able

520
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: to do it this year. Case closed, and Eli will

521
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: have a much better statistical year and he's gonna shut

522
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: all out of those people up. Well. And the one

523
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: other thing that I'll add two thousand sixteen, You know,

524
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: you can certainly look at those numbers, but it's hard

525
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: for me to put stock in most statistics, not just

526
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: re line Manning, but across the board. Paul from two

527
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen I mean, with the personnel changing so much,

528
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: the rate of the injuries, if you're using two thousand

529
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Speaker 1: seventeen stats to build a narrative, I mean that is

530
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: a convenient narrative because you're not taking into consideration how

531
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Speaker 1: the dynamics around the quarterback drastically changed and they were horrible. Yeah,

532
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: so that would not be the season that I would

533
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: point to to make the point. You want to turn

534
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: to two thousand sixteen, you want to turn to some

535
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: previous seasons, that's fine. I think there's a little bit

536
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: more substance beyond those numbers. I would not run to

537
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen and say, oh, well, you know the

538
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: passing numbers. Look at what happened. I mean, once again,

539
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: how many games last season did Eli Manning have the

540
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: same receiving corps, meaning the same one to three receivers

541
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: Paul every single game? How many times did that necessarily happen?

542
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: How about this? How about we just go to his

543
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: two games against Philly, which we've heard Dave Gentleman referred

544
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: to several times. And in those two games, he threw

545
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: for combined eight hundred yards and six touchdowns and only

546
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: three picks and oh let's not forget he didn't exactly

547
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: have a stellar running game to go with that. Yeah,

548
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, so Philly knew what was coming

549
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: and Eli still sliced them up like a thank giving turkey. Now,

550
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: people I know counter to that by saying, well, Leli

551
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: Manny's got a very good track record against Philadelphia, so

552
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: that's nothing new, and they don't usually have great secondaries.

553
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: Their strength is more in the front seven. So if

554
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: you can at least get rid of the football quickly,

555
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: you have a way to get to Philadelphia. I'm just

556
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: throwing that out as I know what I've been hearing

557
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: when people counter with, well, you know, the Eagles look

558
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: at what Eli Manning did against what turned out to

559
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: be one of the great defenses in the NFL last season,

560
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: and then they'll say, well, you know, he normally has

561
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: good numbers against Philadelphia. So I mean, you're gonna hear

562
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: it both ways, no matter how you said, what is normal.

563
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: Normal means you have your average personnel on the field.

564
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: Eli didn't have his average personnel on the field. He

565
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: was handicapped with sub personnel and did what he did.

566
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: There's no argument there. It's it's a one sided argument.

567
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm with you. That's why, once again two thousand seventeen,

568
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: it's hard for that to be the starting point for

569
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: a conversation. All right, let's head back to the lines.

570
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: Steve is in New York. Steve, what's happening? Hey, lads,

571
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: we do Steve, I'm doing great, you know, paul I

572
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: love listening to you sometimes, Paula, you come out with

573
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: the craziest saying I smart, like like two bullets in

574
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: a six and six arrel. Hey man, you know what,

575
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: because if we don't have fun with what we're doing,

576
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: it's just not going to be worth it for for

577
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: you guys to listen, or you guys to watch, or

578
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: for us to be here doing it. We gotta make

579
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: each other laugh. We gotta have some smiles about this

580
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: because you know what, it's not rocket science, it's not

581
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: brain surgery. Okay, it is pro football. We gotta have

582
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: some fun sports entertainment. Thank you the day. But but

583
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: we we have not got it here. Here's the one thing, Steve,

584
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: we have not gotten in the pasta and the meatballs yet.

585
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: So maybe the good stuff is coming later on in

586
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: the shop. It's entertainment. Yeah, Landy Savage, who yeah, breaking

587
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: a little wrestling into the crazy. All right, So what

588
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: do you got for us, Steve? Before this versation really

589
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: goes off the rails? So alright, So I want to

590
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: make a prediction, right, and this kind of might be

591
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: a crazy prediction, but I want to say it, and

592
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: then I want to talk about because the defense real quick.

593
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: My my prediction is that they're analyzing the quarterbacks that

594
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: came out of the draft and there's only like really

595
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: former of them that were considered good, and I don't

596
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: even know if they were, you know, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers,

597
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger good. You know when you when you have

598
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: those classes of quarterbacks and I feel like you've got

599
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: two of them went to Cleveland and the Jets, so

600
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: they're out of the equation already. So just forget those

601
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: guys ever existed as the other two, you know, let

602
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: way have a chance. Right. So I'm thinking this is

603
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: my prediction that this class will actually almost be more

604
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: remember for the running backs that came out of it

605
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: than the quarterbacks could be by the time they're done. Yeah,

606
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: you make a great point. I mean, how many times

607
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: did we sit here and before the draft, John especially

608
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: and I don't mean that disrespectfully, and he would kept saying,

609
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: look at all these backs that are gonna be in

610
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: the second round, maybe even the third round. So many

611
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: of these backs are probably just a shade below Barkley anyway,

612
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: and John argued that the Giants should get a running

613
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: back later as opposed to the number two pick. And

614
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: I understood the argument because look, guys and Penny and Michelle,

615
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are all really good prospects. So

616
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: you may be right, especially if the league is starting

617
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: to as I believe it has now over the last

618
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: couple of years, to understand that you do have to

619
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Speaker 1: have some semblance of a power running game if you're

620
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: going to enhance your chances of being a postseason team. Well,

621
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: here's the thing that is similar in both regards. You

622
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: got volume in this year's draft class at both positions.

623
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Speaker 1: You know, it's not like we're talking about two quarterbacks

624
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: in seventeen running backs. We're talking about a number of

625
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and went in the first round. So five you're

626
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 1: going to have a volume to really examine over the

627
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: next four to five years. Before we jumped to the

628
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: conclusion of who is going to win this battle but

629
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: I think that there is substance at the running back position,

630
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: and depending on how these teams play out and how

631
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: their offensive lines hold up, this could go down as

632
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: a very unique and special running back. You know. As

633
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: it turned out, most of those guys, if not all

634
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: of them, who we thought were in the upper echelon

635
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: of the running backs wound up all going by the

636
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: time Round two was complete. Yeah, it's those guys did

637
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: not leak into the third round as a lot of

638
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: people thought they would. Yeah, they got stopped up real quick.

639
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: And that's for a reason, because you know, you look

640
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: at Chub, I mean, Chup Chups has a skill set

641
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I can't wait, absolutely solid prospect, and uh,

642
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Speaker 1: you know, it's just a lot of guys like that.

643
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: And when I'm looking at our defense, I'm looking at

644
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: James Tetcher, and I just I feel like the scheme

645
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: that he runs and his his concepts that he won

646
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: to institute into the game the way he did in

647
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: the Arizona. He kind of takes guys and and kind

648
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: of like what's back did when he first got here.

649
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: He he took guys that we're really good and made

650
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: them better. And I think that's why I have hoped

651
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: for our defense because I know we lacked death in

652
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: the secondary. But our backers are quicker, they're stronger. We

653
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: have side to side, sideline, the sideline kind of backers.

654
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: Now we haven't had that in a long time. We

655
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: have a captain in the middle of the defense in

656
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: our linebacker, which is in Ougle Tree, which is awesome.

657
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: We haven't had that since Antonio Pierce, like like Gil said,

658
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: And our defensive line it feels a little stronger. And

659
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: I just I'm old school. I believe defense wins championships.

660
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: And I if you put our offense and our defense together,

661
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: I think we get a ten and five season. And

662
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: I have a saying, I'll I'll go with this. I

663
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: have a saying that I came up with. Can can

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Speaker 1: Can we win the Super Bowl with James Betcher's defense?

665
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: That's your ask? We can alright, Steve, appreciate the puns

666
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: continue to roll off the tongues of hosts and listeners

667
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: on this program. Well, ten in five means that you're

668
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to have consistency on both sides of the phone.

669
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to have good health, You're gonna have

670
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: to have good health. That goes to me without saying,

671
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to have consistency against also a

672
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: very tough schedule as well. You know a number of

673
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: teams that made the playoffs last year the Giants are

674
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: gonna see, including the first team which had one of

675
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: the best defenses in the NFL, in the Jacksonville Jaguars.

676
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting that the last Cohler said that,

677
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's intrigued by the scheme for James betcherm

678
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: because when John and I were on yesterday, Paul, you know,

679
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: everybody to me is enamored with the offense a lot.

680
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: Beckham coming back hopefully healthy, Sterling Shepard coming back hopefully healthy,

681
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram year two, the arrival of Barkley and improved

682
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: offensive line, and I think the defense so is still

683
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: very much a wild card. There's a number of play

684
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: as that were lost between jp P and d r C.

685
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: Who you know, whether or not the defense performed that

686
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: were the last season. You got the guy who led

687
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: the team in sacks on one side with JPP and

688
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: d RC two years ago, was one of their most

689
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: opportunistic players. And those are two polished veterans so you know,

690
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: where's the pastors coming from the deptic corner. I see

691
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: a lot of more question marks on defense right now.

692
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: You know, I know that Bill Polian always subscribes to

693
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: the theory that you don't really know what your team is,

694
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: especially after there's been a lot of changes until the

695
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: first month of the season is complete. That's four games,

696
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Speaker 1: now think about it, sixteen games. That's one fourth of

697
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: your schedule. Okay to me, Jacksonville, Dallas, Houston, New Orleans.

698
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: The Giants with all the turnover that they've had, especially

699
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: with the coaching staff, not just the players, but the

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00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: coaching staff, and the scheme and the mentality in the

701
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: philosophy that they're gonna have to learn and put on

702
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: into practice on the field, it seems to me the

703
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: Giants have to go two and two through those first four.

704
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: If they can just hold their water and be two

705
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: and two after four, they will start to figure out

706
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: who they are as a football team the beginning of

707
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: October and then let the Chips follow the where they may.

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00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: It'll be a twelve games season, and let's see how

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00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: the Giants do in those twelve games once they get

710
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: their sea legs under them. But I don't think we're

711
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: really gonna know much about what this team is until

712
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: they get past that first month of the season. And

713
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: it's a tough haul. Though those are not easy games, okay,

714
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Speaker 1: but if they can get through them at two and two,

715
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Speaker 1: I think they set themselves up for a nice rest spit.

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00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: You know, kind of like when you climbing the stairs

717
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: and you get to a landing and you take a breath.

718
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: That would be a really nice landing for them as

719
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: they go forward for the final twelve games of the schedule.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting you brought up needing maybe the first month

721
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: to get your legs underneath you build your identity to

722
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: because it reminds me of two thousand sixteen and two

723
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen Paull the defense changed immensely. You're talking about

724
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: a number of big names that were brought in, the Vernon's,

725
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: the Harrison's, the Jenkins of the world. And you know,

726
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: they got those first two wins in two thousand sixteen,

727
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: and then what happened. Lost to Washington, lost to Minnesota,

728
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: lost to Green Bay. I mean that was that Sunday

729
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: to Monday turnaround. But then all of a sudden, building

730
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Speaker 1: into the by the win against Baltimore, then the winning

731
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: London against the Rams, and then coming out of the

732
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: bye and all came together. The floodgates opened up a

733
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: lot of close games. I'm not saying it was a

734
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: dominant performance, but the defense specifically found themselves. So you

735
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Speaker 1: can maybe use that as a timeline of what perhaps

736
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: the Giants are looking at here in two thousand eighteen

737
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: with some new faces. And we already know that this staff.

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00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: Betcher and I believe even Shula said, we don't know

739
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: a hundred percent what we are yet, and we're not

740
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: going to know until we get the training camp, we

741
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: get these guys in games, then you've got a bunch

742
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: of guys. Almost half of the guys get caught anyway,

743
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: because you gotta get down from fifty three. So even

744
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: then you don't know what you have. Week one of

745
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: the season, all right, and they're gonna have some really

746
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: nasty tests in September. I mean, these are games that

747
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: are really gonna make you grit your teeth and say, Okay,

748
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: where do we stand, what do we have, and how

749
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: can we kind of figure our way through this thing

750
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: so that we get our sea legs by the time

751
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: October starts. You hate to be one in three or

752
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: oh and four. Then figure it all out and say, well,

753
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: now we gotta climb up hill because we're already in

754
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: a hole. Just get the two and two after four games,

755
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: and you give yourself a chance, give yourself more flexibility

756
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: to get a feel for one another. Let's have back

757
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: to the lines. Jason is in Maine. Jason, welcome to

758
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happening? What you got for us? Uh?

759
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: Just a couple of things. Um about both backup quarterbacks

760
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: Colm Davis um with a personnel that the Giants have

761
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: or what who you think they'll have this year? Uh?

762
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: Do you think that it fits better one over the other?

763
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm not fully sure of either one's

764
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: skill set or how mobile each one of them are.

765
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: But do you do you think one has maybe more

766
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: of a any would have more of an easier time

767
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: with the personnel. Who do you think would probably fit

768
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: it best at this point? Well, from a mobility standpoint,

769
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: I personally think Loletta is more mobile than David's Webb.

770
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean that web is a statue. It's

771
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: just based on what Loletto did in college. I mean

772
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: Loletta was running and escaping tackles and running through running backs.

773
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean, not that they want him to do that

774
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but I think Loletta showcased his mobility

775
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: a lot more than web did during the course of

776
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: their collegiate careers. Yeah, if you if you wanted to

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00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: order the Giants in terms of mobility, would be Loletta

778
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: web Manning without a doubt arm strength, it would be

779
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: web Manning Loletta. I mean, you know, if you just

780
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: want to look at their tools and just grade them

781
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: on that scale. See, it's unfair to even talk about

782
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: this because Webb's already had a year in the league

783
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: and so obviously he's going to be a better fit.

784
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: Even though Sherman's bringing in the new offense, he's going

785
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: to be more advanced than anything We'll Letty could do.

786
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: But if you're strictly talking about the skill set of

787
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: this offensive unit, ah, I tend to think because the

788
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: offensive line is going to be better and you won't

789
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: necessarily need as much scrambling as you might have needed

790
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: the last couple of years when Heli couldn't run that

791
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: you know, the low letta advantage that he has in

792
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: the mobility box. Isn't as important when your offensive line

793
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: is better well, and also when you have guys like

794
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: Barkley and Beckham who you could dump off two and

795
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: then they can make sure he's after the catch. You know,

796
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: arm strength to me is not necessarily the number one

797
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: thing that I'm looking at in the quarterbacks. But you know, Jason,

798
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: what I think makes your question difficult to answer it

799
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: this it's hard to answer. It's it's a tough but

800
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: what makes it even more extremely challenging to answer is

801
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: the number one factor to determine which quarterback is the

802
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: best fit who's the backup? Is decision making? Yes, okay,

803
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: And we don't know enough at this point, Paul to

804
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: determine who has it edged between Davis Webb and Kyle Loletta.

805
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: When it comes to decision, I think he's talking strictly

806
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: skill set though, which guy fits the offense better with

807
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: what they can do well? And I would say this

808
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: because Webb has the stronger arm, can zip the medium

809
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 1: range ball with much more velocity. Because he also has

810
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: the ability to hit the big long one too, It's

811
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Speaker 1: gonna be very hard for me not to pick Davis's

812
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: web especially since you know I'm president of the David's

813
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: Web fan Club unofficially. I love the guy I thought so,

814
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: so I'm not I'm not gonna pick against Davis anyway.

815
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: But that's not to say Loletta, you know, can't function

816
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: in this offense, because I'm sure that Shermer has thoughts

817
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: in mind for if he needed to go to him,

818
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: what would succeed? Now, infairness, Kit, can one of us

819
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: make a case for Alex Tanny or is he not

820
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: allowed in the conversation? But we are we dismissing him? Ahead?

821
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: Do do you not even want to concern I mean,

822
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make a joke in there is

823
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: another quarterback on the roster at the moment, there there is? Okay,

824
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: but anyway, go go ahead, Jason, Yes, okay, thanks, No,

825
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: That's what I was kind of looking for in your answer.

826
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: That was great. Uh, just one last thing, just in

827
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: your guys opinion, you look at the roster now. I

828
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of time between now and the

829
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, but is there one position that

830
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: concerns you right now? And why is it a concern

831
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: for you? And I'll just get off the air with that,

832
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: Thanks appreciate the phone call, Jason, Thanks for waiting in.

833
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: There's more than one, isn't the Alliance? Well, I think

834
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: you can make a case for a few, but do

835
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: you have one to answer his question that would top

836
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: the list right now? I think anybody who goes through

837
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: the Giant's roster right now has to start with right

838
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: tackle because you just don't know how that will settle

839
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: itself out. Is Eric Flower is going to be the

840
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: guy week one? If not him, who is that guy

841
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: Alma roster? Don't know. I don't know. I think it's

842
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna be Flowers. If not Flowers, think it's gonna be

843
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: Chad Wheeler. I don't know. That's question mark there. I

844
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: mean Adam Businesvani was waived, so he's no longer in

845
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: the mix, and Alliance wound up claiming him, so it's

846
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: not as if the Giants have an opportunity to grab

847
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: him back. I would put corner to me at the

848
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: top of the list. Now you look at the roster,

849
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: unlike right task to me is number two. But I'm

850
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: with you, Unlike right tackle, there are many more options

851
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: at the water back position. Because you're concerned, is there's

852
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: not a lot of volume right now. But by the way,

853
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: I cheated William Gay the other day. I said he

854
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: was thirty seven, He's only thirty three. Seems like he's Yes,

855
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: it would appear he's been around forever well. And he's

856
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: also up there with Eli Manning in terms of durability.

857
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: By the way, has not missed a game. So not

858
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: only is his age important to note, it's the fact

859
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: that the age may not even be that important of

860
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: a factor because of how well he's preserved his body

861
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: and stayed on the field. Not going would of course,

862
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: but the reason why corner is a concern. And I'm

863
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: even factoring William Gay in the conversation because I think

864
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: he's the front runner by a mile for that third

865
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: cornerback speed. I mean, there's competition here, but Gay has

866
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: far more experience than anybody else that you want to

867
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: have a discussion. But when I evaluate a position, knowing

868
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: some of the injuries that the Giants have had to

869
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: deal with in previous season's depth to me is imported.

870
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: And right now, I look at Okay, you want a

871
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: pencil and Jenkins and Apple, and you even want a

872
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: pencil and Gay, I'll give you that this question mark

873
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: still connected to Apple because he's due for a bounce

874
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: back season, and you know Jenkins is coming back from

875
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: an injury. So there's question marks even connected to your

876
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: two starting corners, sure, regardless of their previous resumes. But

877
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, once again, I keep going back to that

878
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen playoff game when DRC goes down Paul

879
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers surveys the field and says, I'm now

880
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: going to go where DRC was. Who's your third who's

881
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: your fourth corner, who's your fifth corner, who's your sixth corner?

882
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: Right now? I see a lot of question marks. So

883
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: that to me tops the list. Because here's why offensive

884
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: line I wouldn't put at the top of the list.

885
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: And I think you made a fine case. I like

886
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: the depth on the offensive line right now on paper,

887
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: much more so than what the corners provide, not a

888
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: tackle and encompassing the entire no. But but I'm looking

889
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: at I'm looking at the versatility of who may be

890
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: on the backup. Some of these guards and centers can

891
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: play tackle. Wheeler, though, has some experience from last year,

892
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: and Flowers also has experience from last year. Whether or

893
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: not he's moving to a different position. The point is

894
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: you've got guys that have been on the field, they

895
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: have some experience. When you look at this cornerback group,

896
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: you've got a mix. You've got young guys, You've got

897
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: some guys that were special teamers that haven't really been

898
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: every down corners. It's a little bit of everything. I'll

899
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: let you think. It's a it's a very fair point.

900
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: And when you consider and folks, I even have to

901
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: look at the roster to go over the depth charted

902
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: cornerback because these guys are not household names. You're looking

903
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: at guys like B. W. Webb, Teddy Williams, Jeremiah McKinnon,

904
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: Chris Lewis, Harris, Orion Stewart, Mike Jones. Uh. I mean,

905
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: no disrespect intended to any of these folks, but do

906
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: they have a proven track record of winning football games

907
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: in the National Football League? So I hear you, I

908
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: really do again. I Likednte Dion as the backup slack

909
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: guy to William Gay, But beyond that, who's the fifth

910
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: corner or who is the third corner on the boundary? Yeah?

911
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: I have no idea none. So quarterback to me is

912
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: the biggest concern if you want a word it that

913
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: way based on the caller's question. Right, let's head back

914
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: to the lines. Doug is in Rochester, Doug, what's happening? Hey,

915
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: what's going on? All right? Doug? What's happened with the

916
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: last last I haven't talked to you. I talked to

917
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: John Fall and Fall. Yeah. Um, you've been talking about

918
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: the giant defense. Um. Um, the Carter you know you're

919
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: talking about is not the only pass rusher. But I

920
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: want to know what you think about Carter as a

921
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Is he's gonna be a three down guy?

922
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: Consider him a pass rusher, you know? Um? Because you

923
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: guys are talking to and then the slotback, you know,

924
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: I think John's got more time to see what they're

925
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: gonna do about that. That's really important too, So they do.

926
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna have the entire period of training camp where

927
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna get these guys in the pads and they're

928
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: gonna see their physicality. I think you can evaluate a

929
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: lot more than you can with upcoming O t s.

930
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: As far as your point about pass rushing, I'll throw

931
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: out and not just Lorenzo Carter, who I think has

932
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: potential upside I mean Kareem Martin, who they brought in

933
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: from Arizona, who worked with James benjam Martin, Remember, is

934
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: a player that you know has experienced a defensive and

935
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: also has experienced a linebacker because he was converted early

936
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: in his career. So you know he has the ability,

937
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: I think, to help fill the void left behind by

938
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: a JPP. But, like anything else, until we see it

939
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: within the giant scheme, I just can't say that you're

940
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: gonna crown a player and say, hey, you take away

941
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: jpps eight sacks, which was the leader of the team,

942
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: and then I'm immediately putting this guy in and I

943
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: know I'm getting eight right off the back. You know

944
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: what may be interesting And I don't mean this to

945
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: a lie any of your fears, but it may help

946
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: you a little bit. Chandler Jones last year had seventeen

947
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: sacks for the for the l right the NFL. His

948
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: pressure percentage at thirteen plus percent was amongst the NFL leaders. Okay, Now,

949
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 1: Betcher used him primarily as a pass rusher very rarely.

950
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: Even though he was standing up a lot of times,

951
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: he didn't do much in coverage. He was usually going forward. Well,

952
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: think about this. Now the Giants have Olivier Vernon in

953
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: the Chandler Jones spot. In this defense, he is gonna

954
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: be going forward, I would say almost all the time.

955
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be worried too much about

956
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: going backwards. And I don't think he's gonna be playing

957
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: the run as much as he did before. Why Because

958
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: they got alec Ogletree. Ogle Tree is a side to

959
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: side chasing hit or running hit linebacker has tremendous range

960
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: getting to the sidelines, which means Vernon can be more

961
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: in pass wash mode then he has been in the past.

962
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: Because we know him to be a very good run

963
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: stopper off the edge. Now he can probably concentrate more.

964
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm getting after the quarterback. Knowing that ogle Tree has

965
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: the range to get to that sideline and help seal

966
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: off those runs, Vernon can say, you know what I'm

967
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: going for that QB. Ogle Tree's got my back. I'm

968
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: getting the sack. I think that's gonna help Vernon sack

969
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: total well. And if p J. Goodson stays healthy, that's

970
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: another in question. I remember he was a monster in

971
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: Week one leg I'm gonna say Vernon has twelve or

972
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: thirteen this year, I think he's gonna break break double digits,

973
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: which he's only done to standing up, rushing, the passing

974
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: into his hand in the dirt. I think he's gonna

975
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: be his tallenge more rushing the past or standing up.

976
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: I think that's where its talents. And I want to

977
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: touch on something you said. The Giants um two and

978
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: two the first four games. UM, I want to talk

979
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: about their opponents now Jacksonville and says I'm up and

980
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: right Uster Buffalo. In that playoff game against Jacksonville, all

981
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: they had to do was score touchdown. They're able to

982
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: want that game. And I'm pretty sure Jacksonville didn't scored

983
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: too many passing touchdowns last year even though they went

984
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: from a three and thirteen Tody SC championship. Their defensive

985
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: US did a lot and they were didn't have too

986
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: much passing And um, you know the Giants, UM with

987
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: all these weapons, UH defeat them. They don't have to

988
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: score too much. And Dallas, um, you know, see like

989
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: the Giants played Dallas Sunday night for the last five

990
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: years has been on Sunday night. So and then Houston,

991
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean Houston, I mean I think they didn't get

992
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 1: past usual. But the Saints as the team that comes

993
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: to the Meadowlands and that's all around team right there,

994
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: and that's the team they have to play the hard

995
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 1: stal again, the Saint. So I really think that they're

996
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: gonna have to dig deep and play the hard stile

997
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: because you remember the Saints mistackle. They have been playing

998
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: the Eagles instead of you, who just say the who

999
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: to say the Eagles with a beat the Saints? Now,

1000
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: who's to say that? So are you saying that Giants

1001
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: are gonna go three and one in the first four games?

1002
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: Is that your thoughts? I don't say. I actually they

1003
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: can actually go for No. Only team that's gonna get

1004
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: in trouble is the Saints coming there. I'm not saying

1005
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: that I can score. Okay, okay, but here here's the point.

1006
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you they're gonna go to and two.

1007
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: What I'm saying to you is the blueprint needs to

1008
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: be Hey, get through those first four games. Minimum of

1009
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: two and two would be great if they're three and

1010
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: one or four and all. But I think you'd really,

1011
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: you'd really be gritting your teeth if if you don't

1012
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: at least go too and two, because then you put

1013
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: yourself in a much better position as you find out

1014
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: what your team is all about. I mean, if you

1015
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: can start from sea level the first weekend of October,

1016
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: now you can maybe do some business. You don't want

1017
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: to be digging out of a huge hole and then say, well,

1018
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: now we know how good we are. And over the

1019
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: last twelve games we were really good. But guess what,

1020
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: we started going four and that's why we're not going

1021
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. Boy, that's a miserable feeling. Yeah, I'm

1022
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: gonna leave you with this question. I heard that Eric

1023
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: Flowers is in the building Monday. Is that true? Is he?

1024
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: I said? I read the reports he was there Monday?

1025
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: Is that true. I'll leave you with that question. All right,

1026
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. All right, appreciate the phone call. Well,

1027
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: remember the Giants don't say anything publicly about who's here

1028
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: and who's not. Even Pat Shermer joked, when the media

1029
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: has he goes listen, I'll allow the media to uh

1030
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: put together the laundry list of who's here and who's not.

1031
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: In terms of taking attendance, there's been a lot of

1032
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: confidence expressed by coach Shermer that Eric Flowers will be

1033
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: here at an appropriate time and we will be able

1034
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: to talk to him and find out what he's thinking

1035
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: and that they're going to be able to move forward.

1036
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: And the O t A s begin on Monday. Uh

1037
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: in middle of June is the mandatory mini camp. Then

1038
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: of course at the end of July you have training

1039
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: camp starting. So I don't know what day you want

1040
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: to pit there, but those seem like significant dates that

1041
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: if you were to expect a player to be here for,

1042
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: he would be here for at least one, two, or

1043
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: maybe all three of those things. And I think that

1044
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: Schermer's confidence and the way he has talked about Flowers

1045
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: would give you a pretty good idea that they're planning

1046
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: on on him to be around well. And the other

1047
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: thing that Sherman has said on multiple occasions is he's

1048
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: been in communication exact Flowers. It's not as if you know,

1049
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: Flowers is on an island and the Giants don't know

1050
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 1: where he's at. They've been in communication with him, They've

1051
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: had dialogue, and we'll see what happens moving forward with

1052
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: the all season program. The key will be, once he's here,

1053
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: is his head in the game to where when they

1054
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: say you're lining up at right tackle. Are you going

1055
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: to produce? Are you going to give enough production to

1056
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: make that a viable position for you? If his mind

1057
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: isn't in it, then it doesn't matter if he's here

1058
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: or not, because if the guy doesn't go out there

1059
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: and produce and shows that he does not deserve the position, well,

1060
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: now you've got to find an alternative. You have to

1061
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: have the desire. You can't just go through the motion.

1062
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: So even if he's here, that's not an automatic. Great

1063
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: he's here, it's gonna be fine. And you guys know,

1064
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: I'm not nearly as down on Eric Flowers as most

1065
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: people are. But he also needs to prove on the

1066
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: field that he belongs on the field because the best

1067
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: five are gonna play, and if Chad Wheel is one

1068
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: of the best five, then Chad Wheel is going to

1069
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: be the right tackle. One other thing I wanted to

1070
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: touch on before we head back to the phone line's

1071
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: the last caller brought up Jacksonville, the Giants opening opponents,

1072
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: saying that, well, the passing game was an electric last season,

1073
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: and that's fair. They only had twenty one passing touchdowns

1074
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: which put them in the league. But you know, jack

1075
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: Inville still managed to score twenty six points per game,

1076
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: which was top five in the National Football League. Their

1077
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: defense was extremely opportunistic. Now, the defense did score a

1078
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: few touchdowns, that had a really good running game, a

1079
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: good offensive line. So just because you don't have a

1080
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: great passing game does not mean that you're not a

1081
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: dangerous team. And here's the thing. You go back to

1082
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: that playoff game against Buffalo Paul. If your defense is

1083
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: great and your defense is holding the opposition to seven

1084
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: to ten points, that's taking pressure off your offense. And

1085
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: doubt you know, nobody's telling you now you gotta go

1086
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: out and score twenty four points. So I wouldn't read

1087
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: too much into the fact that Blake Bortles and company

1088
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: weren't thrown for four hundred yards a game. You also

1089
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: have to take into the equation the turnover factor, which

1090
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: good defenses usually get some of those. And then there's

1091
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: the special teams factor. And we all know how Tom

1092
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: Coughlin everywhere he goes, he wants his teams to control

1093
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: field position. And I think both of those facets were

1094
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: brought to the forefront in a positive way by the

1095
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars last season. Let's head back to the lines. Lawrence,

1096
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: it is in Florida, Lawrence, what's happening? Hi? Thanks for

1097
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: having me. I just want to let you know that

1098
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: I don't having. The two favorite shows that I never

1099
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: miss is this show in Jeopardy. That's when I let

1100
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: you know you're right up there with Jeopardy. Wow. Well

1101
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: that that's truthfully an honor. Hopefully we provide a little

1102
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: bit more Giants content than Jeopardy does, but we will

1103
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: certainly take that big blue for five. But anyway, anyway, um,

1104
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: besides all that, I remember you talking, I think was

1105
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: Monday to Tuesday about who you thought would break out

1106
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: player of the year maybe on the Giants this year.

1107
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: I think you know when like sneak in there that

1108
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: no one body talks about every loss. That's good point.

1109
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: He could be a very important facet of the better

1110
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: defense given the fact that he's got some tools, He's

1111
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: got some length and size and strength, and we know

1112
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: from his time in college he could rush the passer.

1113
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: So there is a there is definitely a chance that

1114
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: every Moss. I'm not sure exactly how he's gonna fit

1115
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: yet because Betcher's gonna have to figure it out, but

1116
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: he could be a guy who gets after the quarterback.

1117
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: And now that I look at it, every Moss only

1118
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: played of the defensive snaps last season. So I think

1119
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: that's fair Lawrence. You figure if obviously his snaps go

1120
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: up and he's a better fit for this scheme, he

1121
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: has the potential to carve out a significant role. I

1122
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: would not dismiss that name. I think that has tools,

1123
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. But also they were talking to Jeff

1124
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: Fagles about the punt is earlier in the week. How

1125
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: that they we'll see worried about the how the statistics

1126
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: more than kicking and out of bounds and all that stuff.

1127
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: But the longest punt I ever saw and no quar

1128
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: remember this is the one against quarterback dating. Yeah, I

1129
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: saw it. I was there. I was in the building

1130
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: they too. I couldn't believe it. Ridiculous. And there was

1131
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: the Eagles down by a five yard line. He quick

1132
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: kicks at one about ninety five yards and then sent

1133
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: back to the pumble then they got a touchdown. Unbelievable. Yeah,

1134
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: he was. He was in the east end zone of

1135
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: Giant Stadium, the old Meadowlands. It was a ninety one

1136
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: yard punt. Remember it, well, right now here it's on YouTube.

1137
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: But anyway, ridiculous anymore. Sometimes I think they should pull

1138
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that's so old zo again and

1139
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: sneak it in there. Now. Well, he was, he was

1140
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: lined up in punt formation. It wasn't like he just

1141
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: suddenly dropped back and quick kicked it. I mean they

1142
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: showed from the formation what he was gonna do. And

1143
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, Cunningham was a freak of an athlete. Let

1144
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: me tell you. I had so much respect for his

1145
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: skill set, it's ridiculous. Yeah, he was. Those Eagles always

1146
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: been a phone in my cycle. And back to that, buddy,

1147
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: Ryan just I was talking to an Eagle fan the

1148
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: other day, and they've just been a thone in my side. Understood, Well,

1149
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: they're probably even more of a thrown in your side

1150
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: based on what happened to that. I was the only

1151
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: one I wanted the Super Bowl, but it was the

1152
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: only one rooting for the Patriots because I don't. The

1153
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: only team that i'll one of the Eagles to beat

1154
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: would be the Cowboys. That's another Uh. I won't even

1155
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: get into that with Jerry's world, I understood. But anyway,

1156
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: all right, we'll let you go. I just want to

1157
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, well, we don't we don't want we don't

1158
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: want to keep you. We don't want to keep you

1159
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: from watching Jeopardy on the DVR. Lord, So so we'll

1160
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: let you go on that note. But we do appreciate

1161
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: at least us being in that same conversation. I just

1162
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: looked at that Randall Cunningham punt. My goodness. Also the

1163
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: pounce he got, Yes, that was a big part of it,

1164
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: but it still went for ninety plush yards no matter

1165
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: how you cut it, it was ninety plush yards. Well,

1166
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: there's those type of athletes that you pretty much could

1167
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: put in just about any situation and they'll thrive. And

1168
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, Odell Beckham is one of those guys that

1169
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: comes to mind, you needed to punt, they'll go out there.

1170
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: You need to kick a field goal, He'll go out

1171
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: there because they have that unbelievable athleticism. And Cunningham was

1172
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: certainly an extremely unique guy, you know. And I know

1173
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: at the end of his career he got hurt, then

1174
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: he came back with the Vikings and and you know

1175
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: he never actually got himself a Super Bowl ring. But

1176
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, in terms of the toolbox,

1177
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: the skill set. Randall Cunningham was about as dynamic and

1178
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: athlete to ever play the quarterback position in my mind,

1179
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: And it's funny because he was so much ahead of

1180
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: his time. Nowadays, they have much more respect for those

1181
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: kinds of guys. In those days, he was looked at

1182
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: almost as like, oh, he's just like a knockoff, you know,

1183
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: he's something, he's like weird, he's an odd ball. He's

1184
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: he's the exception to the rule. I mean, there were

1185
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: people who didn't even think he should be playing in

1186
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: the league. Remember Jaworski was there, and then they eventually

1187
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: graduated to Cunningham. His skill set was incredible. Well, and

1188
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: today's NFL, though it's not unique. You can think about

1189
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 1: all the guy is that he was ahead of his time.

1190
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: But now he was in the league, he'd fit right.

1191
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, he might be the highest paid quarterback

1192
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: in the game. Because you think about after Cunningham, when

1193
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: Michael Vick came into the league, you heard Randall Cunningham's

1194
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: name brought up, and then r G three, and then

1195
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: you heard the Cunningham and the Michael Vick comparisons. It's

1196
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: like anything else. But today you have so many quarterbacks.

1197
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 1: I'm a pocket quarterback anyway, so you know, I don't

1198
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: particularly like those kinds of guys, but I have great

1199
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: respect for what Cunningham's ability was because he was just

1200
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: that incredible. Let's head back to the lines. Davis and Grantford, Dave,

1201
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: what's happening? How are you guys? Don't don't ask Carl

1202
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: Banks about Randall Cunningham. I'm I'm sick of seeing that play. Yeah,

1203
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: I know, I know, Carl, thanks play, but hey, I

1204
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: just wanted to jump in on two things for you guys. Lance.

1205
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: I agree when he started out with the comments about

1206
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: the most improved rosters and all that and gave a

1207
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: lot of credit to Gettleman and Charmer. I think what's

1208
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: what's lost sometimes looking at this season is the fact

1209
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: that we needed a new set of eyes that weren't

1210
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: biased to the roster. And I think what you heard

1211
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: early on, if you remember when they asked Gettleman right

1212
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: away about Eli, of course you'll you'll know right then

1213
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: that he didn't say, um he he basically said if

1214
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: you remember the quote, you guys probably do. I'm sure

1215
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: Paul does, where he said, hey, I know I watched

1216
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: him play the Eagles, and I'm going to go back

1217
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: and watch the tape and I'll get back to you

1218
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: on that answer. And I thought that was the right

1219
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: answer and a pretty bold answer to say, Hey, we're

1220
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: gonna go and analyze this roster and I and I

1221
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing that they looked at was, hey,

1222
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: the offensive line needed a complete overhaul. They've done that.

1223
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: And I think going into the season as much as

1224
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: the right tackle is a question, and I think that

1225
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: the swing tackle is very well probably not on the

1226
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: roster right now, um, but it's a heck of a

1227
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: lot easier going into the season from an offensive game

1228
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: planning standpoint to think about shoring up one side of

1229
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: the line as opposed to last year, where you could argue, yeah,

1230
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: you almost had to. You know, you needed ten guys,

1231
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: but you at least needed two tight ends, one on

1232
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: one side, one or the other. But think that the

1233
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: right tackle, if, if, if we can get the left

1234
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,959
Speaker 1: tackle and the and the other parts of the line solidified,

1235
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: plus the running back, I think that's where the confidence

1236
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: goes into this. And the only other comment I'd make

1237
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: for you, guys is lance to your point about the

1238
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: issues with cornerback. I think the team agrees with you.

1239
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: When you see the amount of bodies that they brought

1240
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: into the position, Well, clearly they're thinking the more volume

1241
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: they have, the more likely they are to find some

1242
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: stability or some options. I think that's extremely clear. But

1243
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, volume alone doesn't necessarily always guarantee that somebody's

1244
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: going to rise to the top. I made the point

1245
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: on the show the other day that nobody thought Ross

1246
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: Cockroll was really going to be an answer for these guys,

1247
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: and then last year he was forced into starting duty,

1248
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: and I thought he had a good season. Now he

1249
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: got a real nice contract to jump to Carolina and

1250
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: he and he's going to the banquet that and that's

1251
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: great for him, But I don't want to disrespect the

1252
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: fact that he outplayed what I think everybody thought he

1253
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 1: was going to do. Well. Keep him mid. Remember Russ

1254
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: Cockrell was acquired right before the start of the season.

1255
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: He wasn't even here during training camp because the Steelers

1256
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: had Gay and Cockroll, and Gay beat out Cockroll, and

1257
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: Cockroll was gonna get caught and they didn't want to

1258
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: lose him for nothing, so they traded him to the Giants,

1259
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: and Gay was able to retain the roster spot and

1260
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: now Gay is a Giant. Well, but here's the other thing.

1261
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: But Cockerell also, regardless of what you thought he did

1262
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: before he came to the Giants, that was a corner

1263
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: with veteran experience and starting experience. This wasn't somebody that

1264
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, was brought in that hadn't played in two years.

1265
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: But I don't think anybody really gave him much of

1266
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: a thought. They were like whatever, no, but looked at

1267
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: him as Okay, here's added depth in case somebody was

1268
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: one of the better defensive players by the end of

1269
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, but I agree, But I would just add,

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Speaker 1: guys like, this issue to me is that your observation

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Speaker 1: of where there's weakness that the g M and the

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Speaker 1: and the coaching staff agree with you. And I just

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Speaker 1: would rewind and say, sitting here last year, you know

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Speaker 1: it did not take a football expert to say that

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Speaker 1: the Giant's weakness was the offensive line, and there wasn't

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Speaker 1: an agreement that from the from the organization. And obviously

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Speaker 1: that was wrong and we saw what happened when they

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Speaker 1: played out. So I think that's a huge difference, and

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Speaker 1: as a fan, it gives me a lot more confidence.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that have to go right.

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Speaker 1: We gotta stay healthy. But I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of good reason of why this team is going to

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Speaker 1: be a lot more competitive than people saying before you go.

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Speaker 1: Simply put, Gettleman is a guy who believes in the

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Speaker 1: trenches football one on one. And what has he done

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Speaker 1: change the offensive line and brought in a bunch of

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Speaker 1: defensive guys, specifically in the front seven and the defensive

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Speaker 1: line to try to rebuild this team. How could you

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Speaker 1: ask for anything other than that? I canna agree more.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and that's exactly what I appreciate. The phone

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Speaker 1: called Dave, thanks so much for weighing it exactly the

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Speaker 1: script he followed in Carolina. He is pretty much brought

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Speaker 1: to the Giants. This is not Dave Getleman arriving to

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Speaker 1: the Giants and steering clear of how he built the

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Speaker 1: team in Carolina. He built the team in Carolina with

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Speaker 1: the offensive line and the defensive line, and it was

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Speaker 1: a combination of which we were talking about all offseason, Paul,

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Speaker 1: the draft as well as free agency. You can't just

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Speaker 1: do it one way. You're not gonna rebuild it by

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Speaker 1: drafting all offensive lineman and all defensive lineman. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: to find the combination. And that's what he's done so far.

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Speaker 1: Now with respect to the cornerback position. Just before we

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Speaker 1: sign off here, when he parted ways with Josh Norman

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Speaker 1: and they decided to rescind the franchise tag, they had

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Speaker 1: brought in a lot of young guys and they hope

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Speaker 1: to develop the corners. And you know, Carolina had a

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Speaker 1: rough season because of injuries. Luke quick Lee got hurt.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just the secondary. So you know, maybe that

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Speaker 1: is their philosophy that behind some of the vets. They

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Speaker 1: want to develop some of these young guys that haven't

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Speaker 1: had a lot of experience and hopefully they can build

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Speaker 1: up the depth that way. Time will tell. But you know,

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Speaker 1: until they put pads on right now, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you just got a lot of names and a lot

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Speaker 1: of value at this point, a lot of guesswork in

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Speaker 1: terms of who's gonna step up, and for their sake,

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Speaker 1: I hope somebody does. I will say this, You've seen

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Speaker 1: it before. Sometimes scheme does make a difference. It did

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Speaker 1: with Cockroll. Cochan was playing a lot more zone in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: He got to the Giants, they played a lot more

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Speaker 1: press Man, and he'd be the first one to tell

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Speaker 1: you it made all the difference in the world. All

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, he was in a scheme now that

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Speaker 1: fit his skill set better, and he was able to

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Speaker 1: put more production out of the field. Well, maybe some

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Speaker 1: of these guys on the back end of the Giant

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Speaker 1: step chart, maybe they know in their heads that the

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Speaker 1: way that they plan to use that player is going

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Speaker 1: to bring out something that other people haven't seen, playing

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Speaker 1: to their strains as opposed to just trying to fit

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Speaker 1: them into a scheme. Maybe we'll see. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: until they get on the field, it's hard to know

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Speaker 1: at this point. That is gonna wrap up today's edition

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Speaker 1: a big Blue Kickoff Live. Appreciate everybody for tuning in,

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Speaker 1: thanks to those who called in. Will be back up

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Speaker 1: and running on Monday. There will be O t A

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Speaker 1: on Monday, and there will also be media sessions, so

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Speaker 1: we'll get your caught up with all of that starting

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Speaker 1: at noon Eastern for Paul Detina on Lance Meadow. You

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Speaker 1: joined the rest of your weekend right here on jihants

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Speaker 1: dot com. I have a good one