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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Ronni Ny and the car doctor. Let's cruise

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Speaker 1: over and talk to Paul out there in Long Island.

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Speaker 2: Go to Hyndai Sonata. Hey Paul, how are you?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Ron?

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Speaker 3: I've been waiting for about an hour. I'm at a christening.

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Speaker 3: Let me just go out with call.

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Speaker 1: Oh geez, I'm sorry. Yeah, we don't want to get

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Speaker 1: you in trouble there. What can I do you for, Paul?

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Speaker 3: This is a very first of all, let me thank

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Speaker 3: you for taking your call.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, not a problem. I'm sorry. I mean to

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Speaker 2: keep you waiting there an hour. The line gets along today,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, what's I mean?

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Speaker 3: It's a very challenging problem. Here's what's happened. I've had

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Speaker 3: the car it's any two hunder Sonata of V six

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Speaker 3: two point seven right. I've had the car to to

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Speaker 3: dealerships and four mechanics and eventually you get to the

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Speaker 3: point where they say take the car home. We can't

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Speaker 3: fix it. Essentially, the problem is this, it's outside temperature,

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Speaker 3: ambient temperatures fifty to fifty eight degrees or less. The

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Speaker 3: car start if it doesn't. If it's not, the car

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Speaker 3: won't start. So if you do start the car at

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Speaker 3: fifty eight degrees, and you let it run the idling.

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Speaker 3: Eventually it'll eat up can stall, okay, and won't start again.

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Speaker 3: Now the computer has been changed twice, the codes have

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Speaker 3: been tried to take. There's no code. There's no code

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Speaker 3: at all. But once the failure is dead because apparently

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Speaker 3: the computer shuts down and they can't communicate to the computer.

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Speaker 1: Well, but wait, let's be logical here. Okay, let's let's

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Speaker 1: let's pretend this is a lawnmower. All right, let's pretend

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Speaker 1: it's a lawnmower with a computer that makes it run. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're telling me that over fifty eight degrees, Let's make.

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Speaker 2: It sixty degrees. It's an easier number to imagine. Let's

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Speaker 2: make it fifty eight.

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Speaker 1: I don't care it's over fifty eight degrees. This car

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Speaker 1: won't start, and it's I can't tell you.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you the spread. But I'm using fifty

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Speaker 3: eight because most of the time, when I get in

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Speaker 3: the car and it does start, I look at the

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Speaker 3: temperature and it's fifty eight. I suppose there is maybe

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Speaker 3: a five degree swing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, even for conversation's sake, this past week in

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Speaker 1: the northeast. It was one hundred and two degrees at

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Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning. You're telling me this car

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Speaker 1: didn't start all week.

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Speaker 3: This problem has been going on since February. The last

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Speaker 3: time this cost started. I live in Long Island, obviously.

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Speaker 3: The last time this cost started is one of those

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Speaker 3: nights that we had week two weeks ago where it

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Speaker 3: went down to fifty eight degrees in Bay shua.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so here's my well, so here's my question though, bib.

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Speaker 1: So right now, you're telling me, right now, on a

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Speaker 1: warm daylight today, this car probably won't start.

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Speaker 3: It won't start.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what doesn't it have as a mechanic, that's my

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Speaker 1: first question. It's a lawnmower engine. It's a lawnmower engine

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Speaker 1: with a computer. What's it missing? Spark, fuel or something mechanical?

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Speaker 2: Will rule out, will rule out.

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Speaker 1: Mechanical, all right, So we'll look at spark and fuel.

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Speaker 1: Which one is it missing?

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Speaker 3: Does it happen it's missing, It's missing everything that the

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Speaker 3: computer will supply spark fuel.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I have So I have no spark, and

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Speaker 1: I have no injector pulse, and I have no fuel.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 2: First place I'm going to on a Hyundai.

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Speaker 1: Is I'm going to take a look at the crank

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Speaker 1: sensor and at least wave it out with a labscope.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a change, there's a couple doesn't new,

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean good.

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Speaker 3: I've had issue and it's it's been changed twice, okay.

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Speaker 2: After market partner Hyundai.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is the mounting pad that the sensor goes on

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Speaker 1: rust free and clean? And is it sitting in the

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Speaker 1: depth of the trigger wheel correctly?

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you, but you know, well I could say,

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Speaker 3: is that try it's a changing the crank sensor? The

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Speaker 3: problem was there, changing it twice? The problem has is

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Speaker 3: still there and has not changed.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So then, like I said, my next, my next, My

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Speaker 1: next comment's gonna be before I change anything, I want

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Speaker 1: to go to the crank sensor and wave it out.

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Speaker 1: I want to look to see as the crank sensor

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Speaker 1: putting out a signal. I mean, listen, we could sit

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Speaker 1: day long about let's throw this part at it, let's

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Speaker 1: throw that part at it. The point I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: make is as complicated as you might think it is.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's just a lawnmower engine with a computer

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Speaker 1: control system.

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Speaker 2: I've got to look to see if.

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Speaker 1: That car is broken, all right, I've got to look

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Speaker 1: to see what isn't getting to the computer. Either it's

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Speaker 1: not getting a crank signal, it's not getting a proper input,

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Speaker 1: or it's getting all its inputs and it can't give

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Speaker 1: a proper power or a proper ground.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say this was going to be easy.

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Speaker 1: I just said it sounds like so far for all

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Speaker 1: the six mechanics that's gone to, everybody's just throwing parts

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Speaker 1: at it. Nobody's taking the time to diagnose it and

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Speaker 1: sit down and look at the problem for what it is.

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Speaker 2: Makes sense. I'm sorry, does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: You know it doesn't make sense. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: computers are not CHEAPD nine hundred dollars a piece, you know.

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Speaker 3: And after after the second one, yeah, I said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to change it again.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, well wait, I didn't. I didn't say change

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Speaker 2: a computer.

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Speaker 3: No, I know, But I mean that's what everybody see

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Speaker 3: because I think they're looking at it from the point

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Speaker 3: of view that, hey, if the computer's not working, then

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Speaker 3: it's got to be the computer. They're not looking at it.

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Speaker 3: They say, well, maybe if we get to a certain

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Speaker 3: temperature after that time, so I we're losing the ground someplace.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, well that's and that's why I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: If that car is brought into a shop and it's broken,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: More so than just being And let me ask you

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Speaker 1: So they put a new computer in it, and they

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Speaker 1: gave you back the car. It was probably warm that day.

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Speaker 1: Did the car start when it left the dealer's lot?

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Speaker 3: No, I had told Okay, so you know, the only

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Speaker 3: times that car has started, and there's been a few

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Speaker 3: times where I was able to drive to whether it

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Speaker 3: was a mechanic or a dealership, was either very early

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Speaker 3: in the morning when it was cold enough, or late

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Speaker 3: at night when the temperature came down. Any other time

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Speaker 3: I want to use that as a reference. But maybe

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Speaker 3: maybe about sixty five, I would say this, right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: the car would not start. I mean I went crazy

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Speaker 3: trying myself to troubleshoot it, and I'm at my wits

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Speaker 3: end now. And finally, I mean just because like you say,

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Speaker 3: it's a loo and mower and any engine that's being

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Speaker 3: driven by a computer. To try and simulate this, what

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Speaker 3: I have, what I've done now, I'm going to try

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Speaker 3: it over the weekend. Is I got a bottle co two.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to spray the whole engine department and cool

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Speaker 3: it down as fast as I can and see if

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Speaker 3: it starts. If it does, then I know, hey, you

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Speaker 3: know why, I've probably got a big ground or something

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Speaker 3: under the contention compartment, or you could have a.

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Speaker 1: Cool or you could have a cooling tempt censor that's

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Speaker 1: going out of range when the vehicle heats up.

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Speaker 3: The cooling censor has been changed twice.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know my biggest fear when somebody called with

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Speaker 1: a car like this, Paul, Yeah, everybody's changed everything and

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Speaker 1: a you hope they've put proper parts back.

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Speaker 2: In it, of good quality, if not at least a wae.

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Speaker 2: You hope they haven't.

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Speaker 1: You hope they haven't disturbed any wiring and broken anything.

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Speaker 3: And made it worse. Yes, But I can honestly say

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Speaker 3: this that since everything has been changed and the amount

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Speaker 3: of things that have been changed, I kind of suspect

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Speaker 3: that it would. But I could say this that right now,

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Speaker 3: if it was fifty six fifty eight sixty two degrees,

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Speaker 3: now the car would start. But one other thing that

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Speaker 3: I want to tell you that I think is the

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Speaker 3: result of everybody trying to start this car and fix

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Speaker 3: this car, is the last time that I had it running,

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Speaker 3: and this was and it was explained by one of

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Speaker 3: the dealerships that the reason that I have such a

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Speaker 3: tremendous valve thatt now is because all the hydraulic lifters

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Speaker 3: that bled out because so many times are trying to

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Speaker 3: clink this over. So in the sense, yes, it has

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Speaker 3: gotten worse because if it does start, it sounds like

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Speaker 3: you've got to I mean, it sounds like it's going

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Speaker 3: to blow up, right, it.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like a hammer.

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Speaker 1: It sounds from what you're describing to me, it sounds

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Speaker 1: like a hammer in the oil pin.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Listen, We've we've got to take a motion out of this.

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Speaker 1: In a sense, it's a it's a harsh statement on

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Speaker 1: my part, but I'm not worried about the nine hundred

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Speaker 1: that have been putting this thing. I'm more concerned with

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Speaker 1: approaching it as a diagnosis. What isn't the PCM seeing

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Speaker 1: The question for you is at an eight year old,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand mile car that you've sort

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Speaker 1: of been around the ring are on? How much are

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Speaker 1: you willing to commit to and put into the vehicle.

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Speaker 1: This is no different a conversation we'd have here versus

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Speaker 1: standing at the counter. I have this conversation all week long.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a car out there that can't

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Speaker 1: be fixed. It takes, it takes it just right, well,

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Speaker 1: it takes.

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Speaker 2: It takes.

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Speaker 1: It takes you know, the right people, It takes you

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Speaker 1: know your dedication, our dedication, It takes dollars, it takes tooling,

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Speaker 1: takes training, and it takes you know. Where's the point

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Speaker 1: of common sense where we say, you know what, it's

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Speaker 1: an eight year old car, it's one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand miles. If it's going to cost me three thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars to fix, maybe I'm better off replacing it. And

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Speaker 1: only only you can really kind of answer that question.

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Speaker 1: I just want to add one more comment. I'm sort

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Speaker 1: of stunned that you could take the vehicle to two

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Speaker 1: dealers and from the sounds of it, have them throw

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Speaker 1: a pile of parts at it and have it towed

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Speaker 1: out of at least one and.

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Speaker 3: Ye and they said, listen, we can't fix it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, that's that's that's the day I

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Speaker 1: retire and I get out of the business because I've

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Speaker 1: got to offer a reason as to why.

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Speaker 2: That vehicle can't be fixed.

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Speaker 1: But if that's the case, I think you've got to

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Speaker 1: have a conversation with the owner of that dealership and say,

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Speaker 1: why don't I get my money back because all the

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Speaker 1: diagnosis they made was absolutely incorrect. It didn't fix anything,

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Speaker 1: and I've still got a broken car. Paul, I wish

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Speaker 1: you well. Can you a call back, keep me posted,

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Speaker 1: but you've got a job on your hand. Good luck

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Speaker 1: at the christening today too, kid. I'm ronning any in

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Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. We'll be back right after this.

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Speaker 2: Fumes Talk Radio seven to ten w R. Welcome back,

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Speaker 2: Ron and any in the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: You know, a couple of weeks ago, we were having

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Speaker 1: a conversation in Gasoline Alli with Ron Ross and we

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Speaker 1: were talking about cannon air filters and I had mentioned

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Speaker 1: and I'm kind of doing this because so many of

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Speaker 1: you and I erroneously have forgotten to do this. Some

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Speaker 1: of you have sent in emails asking whatever became of

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Speaker 1: I had mentioned that my friend Jeff, with the Fully

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Speaker 1: Corvette he's got an early sixties Fully was going to

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Speaker 1: switch over to a cann filter. We were trying to

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Speaker 1: solve some performance issues in terms of hesitation and idle quality.

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Speaker 2: And yes, we did put a Canaan.

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Speaker 1: Filter in the vehicle, and I'm happy to say that

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Speaker 1: it solved the all fidal hesitation issue and improved airflow.

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Speaker 1: It seems to have sort of smooth things out somewhat

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Speaker 1: that it actually did see Jeff actually did see a

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Speaker 1: change in the performance of the vehicle, not to mention

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Speaker 1: the idle quality, so it did solve that particular problem.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind, though, that K and N is not

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Speaker 1: just that air filter company for that older muscle cards,

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Speaker 1: for the newer stuff. They've also, my spies tell me

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Speaker 1: correctly from what I'm hearing, they've come out with a

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Speaker 1: heavy duty truck line for the big mac trucks, you know,

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Speaker 1: the big on the roads, over the road vehicles. So

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Speaker 1: they're an air filter company for all sizes, makes and

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Speaker 1: models of vehicles. They're definitely something worth looking at But

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Speaker 1: in Jeff's case, yes, it did solve his fully Corvette

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Speaker 1: issue that he was having. Let's real quick. Let's go

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Speaker 1: over to Leam a touch in New Jersey. How can

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Speaker 1: I help you?

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Speaker 2: Lee? I'm there, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 4: Okay, if you have an answer to my problem.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's your problem.

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Speaker 4: I'm holding up all this time.

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Speaker 2: Okay I have I'm not a mind reader to Lee.

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Speaker 2: I'm a mechanic.

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Speaker 4: Okay, listen, this is nothing, but okay, my car is

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Speaker 4: a it's called antiquuter. Now, when I got the car,

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Speaker 4: it was in good condition. And what I did is

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Speaker 4: I happened to pass by somebody in my driveway who

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Speaker 4: had his doors to his van opened up, and I

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Speaker 4: got three small, one inch scratches of my van on

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Speaker 4: my car.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Now, I've seen something advertised on TV and it says

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Speaker 4: you can't buy this in stores blah blah blah, a

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Speaker 4: little bottle of something that you can put on And

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Speaker 4: people who show on the TV they say, oh, look

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Speaker 4: at this scratch disappeared. Now does it really work? Should

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Speaker 4: I bother getting this thing? Or should I forget about it?

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Speaker 1: What I would tell you to do is if you're

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Speaker 1: interested in having little scratches or dents taken out that

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Speaker 1: to do it properly, because usually you know, and it's

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Speaker 1: a harsh statement, but the stuff seen on TV, unless

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Speaker 1: I knew the exact comments or content of it, I

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Speaker 1: don't really want to comment. I will say it like this,

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Speaker 1: one of two places can more than likely and definitely

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Speaker 1: adequately take care of your problem.

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Speaker 2: First, one's a body shopping.

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Speaker 1: Before you go, oh, it's going to be too expensive,

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Speaker 1: you don't know how expensive is until you go ask,

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Speaker 1: because they may be able to mix up some touch

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Speaker 1: paint directly from Nissan that will allow them to perform

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Speaker 1: proper touch up. Or you can go to that's why

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Speaker 1: I'm here, that's why I get the big bucks. Or

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Speaker 1: you can go to a detail shop. A lot of

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Speaker 1: the better detail shops, the more competent detail shops are,

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Speaker 1: will also do some very minor paint touch up and

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Speaker 1: they will have sources for the touch up paint as well.

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Speaker 4: Have you seen this thing I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: I've seen different variations of things on TV, and you

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Speaker 1: know what it's To me, it's a pretty bold statement

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Speaker 1: because there's so many different types of paints being used today,

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Speaker 1: so many different types of vehicles, so many different types

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Speaker 1: of problems. I tend to believe that we've got to

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Speaker 1: take it on a case by case basis. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I'm saying either a body shop or a detail

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Speaker 1: shop to solve it for you, because I think that

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Speaker 4: A big thing. It's just said, it bothers me.

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Speaker 2: Well, it bothers you number one, number two.

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Speaker 1: And if if you don't repair it, not knowing how

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Speaker 1: deep the scratch is, at some point it can promote

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Speaker 1: rust and in a few years time become a bigger issue. No,

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Speaker 1: that's a steel car, sweetheart. That's oh yeah, that's still

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Speaker 1: that's that's still a steel car. The plastic car is

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Speaker 1: only only plastic cars left in the world are still

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Speaker 1: Corvettes and older Saturns, which Saturn's a gone car company

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that car still has the ability to rust trust.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't realize that that's a car, all right, dear, Okay,

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Speaker 4: thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Ronning any in the card doct back right after this, Hey,

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Speaker 1: welcome back, running any in the cardc let's do a

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Speaker 1: quick lightning round for Kent, who's in the car up

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Speaker 1: in the Bronx, has got an those six miles to tribute.

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Speaker 1: His question is when in there's lots of vibration, Otherwise

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Speaker 1: it's fine. His mechanic said, it's a motor mount problem.

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Speaker 2: He wants my opinion. My opinion is, yeah, it sounds

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Speaker 2: like your mechanic's on the right track.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see you try it and drive, then

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Speaker 1: put the car in reverse, apply a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Does the vibration change.

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Speaker 1: If it does show any sort of change, chances are

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Speaker 1: it's very much so a motormount issue. The issue will

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Speaker 1: to mention what mileage of that car has on it, Kent.

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Speaker 1: If it's a higher mileage vehicle, if it's sixty or

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Speaker 1: some rough roads, you may want to take a look

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Speaker 1: at all the mounts, obviously, and consider even if you

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Speaker 1: of age and mileage. For Kannie, califon, New Jersey ninety

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Speaker 1: eleven volvos CEE thirty. But you're concerned about Volvo's turbo charging.

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Speaker 1: You know, in the old days, turbo charging was an issue.

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Speaker 1: We had lots of issues with head gaskets and turbo failures.

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Speaker 1: But turbocharging has gotten.

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Speaker 2: A lot better.

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Speaker 1: Be aware that that vehicle will require some very specific maintenance.

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Speaker 1: But right now, Volvo, I believe is still offering their

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Speaker 1: care and concern package. They're providing free maintenance for five years.

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Speaker 1: Check with the local dealer, but probably not a bad choice.

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Speaker 1: Volvo has come a long way. For Jane's out there

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Speaker 1: one hundred, twenty six thousand miles. Sometimes the AC doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: It's not a free on issue. It just sometimes it

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Speaker 1: goes hot instead of cold. There is a thermal limiter

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Speaker 2: They are known to fail. Have your mechanics check that out,

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Speaker 2: and I think therein you will find your problem. Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm running eighty in the car. Doctor. Today's show's dedicated

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Speaker 2: Richie Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Steve's order repair lying up there in the hospital, Hackingsack,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: Get better, real soon, rich We all love you. Good

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Speaker 2: mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you,