WEBVTT - The Last of Us Game, Part 2 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.960 Warning. This podcast contains spoilers for the video game The 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.280 Last of Us Part one, as well as spoilers for 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:08.720 the first two episodes of The Last of Us on 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:09.600 HBO Max. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:26.680 Hello. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:29.920 My name is Jason Concepsio. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:31.840 And I am Rosie Knight, and welcome. 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:33.760 To x ray Vision, the Crooked media podcast where we 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:40.559 dived e pet your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:44.080 In this episode, we are continuing our discussion of the 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.040 Lost of Us game and things are about to get spooky, 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:53.840 spooky and in ned out. Guess is another theory. I'm 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.640 so happy about this and this one's about the quantum 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.760 Realm from the next installment of the MCU, the highly 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:03.400 unto Diticipate at Amtmann and thest Quantumnia of Course. If 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.080 you want to jump around, check the show notes for 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:09.240 time stamps and feel free to unspoiler yourself. But really 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:10.560 play The Last of Us. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.760 All right, let's jump into it. Let's get into the airlock. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:24.759 Books were stepping out of the airlock and back into 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:29.560 the world of the Last of Us, the first installment 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.280 of the Last of Us series. For our ongoing coverage 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:38.360 of Naughty Dog's iconic video game, of Course, some quick 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.800 facts behind the game. The game was published Last of 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.959 Us was published on the Sony PlayStation three platform in 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.480 twenty thirteen. Began it. It really is vintage. I can still 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.800 see it. I can still see that beautiful console. 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:54.280 I still have one. 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.600 I still have one. I still have two PS fours. Anyway, 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.520 development began in two thousand and nine after the release 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:05.720 and massive success of Entering Out two. Neil Druckman as 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.160 the creative director, and he led development of the game. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.360 Creative directing, the writing of it, and the game is 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:19.360 directed by Bruce Strayley. Voice acting and mocap performances in 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.960 this game are fantastic. Troy Baker as Joel, Ashley Johnson 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.080 as Ellie and he Wershing as Tests and Merle Dandridge 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.600 as Marlene. Let's get into it. So this recap is 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.720 going to cover the second chapter, starting at the second 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:37.119 chapter the outskirts and the segments outside downtown, the museum 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.880 and the Capitol building, and then we are going to 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.799 end up at the Billstown chapter with the segments of 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.720 the woods and safe house. And judging by the way 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.000 the show's going, I think it's a perfect time to 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.840 jump into this portion of the game. We open up 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:59.120 with Joel and Ellie together, now heading off into the 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.919 ruins of the open city. Ellie heard the shootout at 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.000 the Firefly safe house. She asks Joel what happened? What 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:10.760 the fuck do you think happened? Yeah, didn't you hear it? 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.079 Joel says, Firefly, same thing that's going to happen to 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.000 us if we don't get off the streets. We hear 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:20.680 loud speakers carrying Fedra's warning that harboring criminals, including the 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.200 Fireflies his grounds for immediate execution. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:25.520 I love to execute someone. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.760 They Fedra is very very keen to execute, and so 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.079 Joel and Ellie have to have to skidattle. They cut 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.000 through some abandoned buildings. They head for Joel's place. Ellie 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.240 asked Joel if this is the first time he's ever 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.240 smuggled a person, a kid in particular. He said, no, 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.640 that's a first. What's the deal with you and Marlene? Anyway? 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.800 And we get some really interesting expo. Ellie says that 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.120 quote she knew my mom and she's been looking after me. 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.320 Ellie has no idea where her parents are now. Joel 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.119 probed some more, but Ellie let's him know that she's 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.280 under orders not to tell Joel anything that might be 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:07.840 a clue as to why she is so important. But 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.600 Joel would like to present himself as someone who actually 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.880 doesn't give a shit. Yeah, he says, yeah, he doesn't care, 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:16.440 he says, the one to know the best thing about 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.440 my job. I don't got to know why I could 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:19.960 give two shits what you're up to. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:20.640 Now. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:29.839 I think that that's not exactly true, but it's certainly 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:33.359 the mask that Joel puts on. Just like in the show, 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:38.400 Joel and Ellie head back to his apartment, and the 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.840 second after arriving home, Joel hits the couch and back 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.520 to sleep again. We've got this really interesting inversion of 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.480 the cold open of the game, where it was Joel 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.839 awake and his daughter Sarah asleep on the couch, and 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:58.599 now you've got Ellie awake and Joel tired old Joel 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.080 meeting nap time. Ellie's like, what do I do? What 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:04.800 am I going to do? And He's like, I'm sure 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.440 you'll think of something, and then Ellie gives him that 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.760 little stinger say again, same as in the show, A 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:14.920 great dialogue. Your watch is broken, Joel wakes up. It's raining, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.640 Ellie is telling him that he mumbles in his sleep. 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:23.360 It's a testament to how good the remastered version is 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.640 and even how good the original was. Yeah, suggesting emotion 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:32.919 that you really feel like Joel in that moment is 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.520 wondering like what the fuck, Well, I wonder what I said, 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.839 like a little concerned about what he might have said. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.400 Yeah, you get a really great one of those visual 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.520 moments too, of Ellie looking out of the window, which 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.000 you know that you basically replicate directly in the show, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.400 which is so lovely, But I definitely remember that being 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.159 one of those that was one of those visuals that 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.680 you sort of couldn't escape on the internet. Ellie looking 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.080 out of the rainy window kind of as and they're 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.080 really setting up this great space where oh Joel, he's 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.159 this reluctant you know, it's it's lone wolf, and Corbet's 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.640 that classic thing. He doesn't want to be burdened with 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.600 this child. But here she is, and she's got this 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.160 wonder about the world, which I think people are starting 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:14.680 to kind of get to see in the show, and 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.640 we really start to get to see on the next 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:18.520 part of their mission. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:22.240 And by the way, Pedro Pascal in two Lone Wolf 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:28.880 and cub Inspired st This baby loves to move through 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.200 a dangerous world with a child who depends on me. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:36.080 Absolutely is the king of that role. Ellie tells him, 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.760 I hate bad dreams. And she is watching the battlements 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.919 of the QZ as spotlights are kind of swinging to 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.599 and fro out there right outside the walls, looking for 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.719 any threats that might be out there, looking for anybody 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.120 who might be sneaking out. And Ellie, of course has 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:55.800 never been outside the walls of the QZ. Joel again, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.960 who just minutes earlier in our gameplay, hours earlier in 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.600 the fictional reality of this story, claim to not give 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.640 two shits actually might give a singular shit about Ellie, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.040 because he then asks again, so what the what are 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.240 the fireflies? Wan't we what's the deal? But of course, 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:18.600 before she can answer, Tess returns. Tess says, if you 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.680 remember where we left off tests after the confrontation at 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:27.440 Firefly HQ, Tess went to go scout the merchandise guns 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.480 in the case of the game, a cachet of guns. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:35.080 And she has now come back and has seen the 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.840 goods that Marleon promised them, and she says, Yeah, it's 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.120 all there, it's legit. It's an impressive haul. We're good 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:41.160 to go, Joe. 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:45.760 She loves She's give me those guns. I want these guns, please. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:50.800 She loves guns almost much as much as Ellie loves 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:52.200 asking for guns. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:01.160 Yeah, that is the perfect comparison. She stoked about these guns. 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.240 She's like, I will smuggle this child because these guns 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:04.800 are real. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:10.000 Joel is really worried about this mission. It's nothing like 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:14.520 they've ever done before. It's it's human cargo, and he 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:20.920 doesn't understand if why if Marlene is in command of 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:26.680 the Firefly militia, they don't just use their own people. Now, 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.320 apparently putting two and two together, they don't really lay 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.920 out the details here, But I think what this suggests 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:37.239 is that Feder's campaign against the Fireflies has been devastating. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.760 Yeah that you know, whatever manpower they have left, it's 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.240 not a lot. Marlene needs Tess and Joel definitely. 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:49.520 And also like there's this implication that the Federer is 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.320 like sowing this cord among the survivors in the courting 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.360 zone and the Fireflies by kind of creating these violent 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.480 campaigns that kind of pit the Fireflies as these arrists 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.480 when we know that feder are like fascists who are 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.640 just you know, executing people, Willy Lilly. Even though the 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.600 q's's great, there's there's problems on either side. And yeah, 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:13.880 the fireflies, the fireflies and Marline need Joel and tests. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:15.760 It's very hard for a game like this where you 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.440 know the narrative is headed in a certain direction to 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:22.040 make you feel like the characters are making organic choices. 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.040 But Joel questioning the fireflies feel so real. You're like, yes, 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.640 he is right, Like why why is this? This is 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.400 so different from pills, This is so different from guns. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.880 This is different even from murdering people. But you have 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:37.520 to kill a lot of people to be able to 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.600 be in a lone Wolphan club situation. So it fits 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.840 the trope, but it's not. It doesn't make sense in 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.600 the world and economy that they know. So I love 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.000 that he's not just like, yeah, better do it because 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.720 my daughter died. You know, they don't use the easy answer. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:52.760 They set it up in a way that makes you 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.800 believe that Joel is wary, that Joel does not want 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.400 to take on this burden. 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:03.559 It's such a good rated wrinkle, but really wonderful generator 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.520 of drama in both the video game and the show 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:12.079 is the fact that Tommy has joined the Fireflies, and 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.120 that was kind of the source of the of the 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.560 of the the tear in the relationship between Joel and 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.680 Tommy really the only people that each of them have 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.800 left or each other, and the fact that they would 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.840 be torn apart like this tells you that it was. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.480 It was really a big deal and dramatic, and it 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.960 makes sense that Joel just would not fucking It's. 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:44.320 An added great it's a great like personal wrinkle that 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:50.120 makes this strange, unexpected gun run becomes something so much 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:50.800 more complex. 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.000 They head out, the three of them together outside of 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.840 the walls. They take a tunnel get out beyond the wall, 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.480 and now they have to sneak out from under the 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.600 gaze of the feder spotlights and the various patrols. And 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:09.200 Ellie is thrilled despite the danger, this is an adventure. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:13.520 Everything outside is like mud slicked because it's a downpour. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.640 There's like these huge craters and stuff and lots of wreckage. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.120 But she's having a fantastic time. She's never been beyond 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.120 the walls before. Now they don't get far in their 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.440 little sneak before a guard knocks Jowel to the ground. 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.400 There's two guards, actually it's a two person patrol. It 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.560 turns out they radio in for backups, and now the 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:38.920 clock is ticking. They do the thing that they're trained 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.200 to do by the book, and they test the people 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:46.320 they've caught. Tests negative, Joel negative. They're about to do Ellie. 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.280 Ellie knows that she's going to come up infected. She 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.640 gets her knife out, she stabs the soldier, and unlike 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.800 in the show, shit just immediately goes. 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.560 Relationship between Joel and these Feder soldiers in the game 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.640 is just you have to kill him. Yeah, you have 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.320 to kill them. Tess is a murdered death delon machine, 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.480 so she doesn't care. Joel is dead inside because of 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.600 his loss, and so they're dead, and you better get 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.520 ready because you're gonna you killed them. By this point, 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.200 we've killed a lot of you know, Robert's men of 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.320 drug dealers. Now we're gonna have to start killing some 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.199 Feder agents. So if you ever wanted to kill some soldiers, 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:26.199 this is it's about to be happening. 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.960 So Joel takes down the one that Ellie's stabbed. Test 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.360 takes out the other one, and you know, it's just 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:36.160 interesting to think about. At this point in the game, 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:41.200 it's been uh, you know, not counting the flashback to 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:43.480 you know, whatever year that two thousand and three or 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.960 whatever year that was. Yeah, the prologue, the prologue, it's 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:53.040 been about a day. And your mileage may very depending 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.320 on how you play. But Joel, it tesn't probably killed 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.280 fifteen people a piece, yes. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.040 Well, at least at least, And I do think it's 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.640 one of the most interesting things about the game and 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.520 one of the most interesting things. You know, we talked 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.640 about this. As you've probably noticed if you've been listening 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.920 to our coverage and watching the show, we are getting 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.720 into second episode territory here. Oh, we're about to venture 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.440 into the real second episode. And what's very interesting is 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:24.000 how Koy the show is playing it with how dangerous 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.760 humans are in this world, because that is gonna be 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.400 a gut punch to Ellie when it comes because in 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:37.400 the game, you kill so many human people in the 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:41.080 QZ before you ever kill a zombie. But in the 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:45.160 show that is just not the case. We see destruction. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.920 It's such a smartness change because also in the game 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.120 you have to kill people, because that's the nature of 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.040 these kind of games. It's a shoot them up, it's 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.920 an adventure game, it's kind of a combo almost a 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.520 first person shooter. There's all different things that are built 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.679 into the gameplay and that's just the nature of what 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.800 you need to do. But in the show, it's really 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:09.720 about grounding it in this humanity and also in Joel's 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.280 journey of of coming to terms with how many people 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.960 and how many zombies, how many clickers, how many infected 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.040 he has killed. That's what we're getting to see in 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.640 the show is a Joel and a Test who are tired. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.840 This is Joel and Tests who have already done the 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:25.760 terrible stuff that you have to do in the game, 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:27.920 and they're kind of sick of it. And I think 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.560 it's really interesting, but yeah, here this is all out 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:31.960 war Tests and Joel. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.680 Ellie is shocked by this. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:40.400 She's shably realizing that she's not in a good position 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.240 as someone who just tested positive for infection with two 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:45.680 strangers who love to kill. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:50.160 She is absolutely shocked by this violence. Joel and Tests 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:57.200 realize that Ellie has tested positive. Ellie panicked now because 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.560 she just watched these two people commit murder like without 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:05.440 any compunction, without any adults ready to do it, pulls 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.000 up her sleeve and she's like, look at this bike. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.200 It's three weeks it's three weeks old. It's healed. Like, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.760 have you ever seen this before? Like, I'm not I'm 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.560 not sick. Do I look like a zombie? I'm not 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.320 going to get you sick? And Joel has like heard 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.920 this before, He's heard about people who have claimed to 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.360 be immune before. He doesn't buy it at all. But 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.440 they can't come to a decision in that moment because 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.200 Feder the backup is here and they come out of here. 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.680 So now they're they're back in that little moat proper, 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:40.280 dodging the QZ forces, dodging the spotlights. Soldiers are everywhere. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:44.240 This is a really really fun, in tense uh sneak 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.200 heavy portion of the game. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.920 Yeah, and this is like really that moment we kind 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.480 of touched on it in the last episode when we 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.600 were talking about this, but this is that moment where 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.240 your gameplay strategy is going to start to come into play. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.760 Because I tried to go hot and heavy, killing every 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:04.200 song Drysol and I died so many times. They set 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.600 you up by the opening of the game being all 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.120 about kill, kill, kill, kill kill. Then you get here 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.400 and you learn actually, so often the easiest way to 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.520 survive is to not kill and to use stealth and 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.160 to sneak. And if you need to to sneak up 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.640 on someone, grab them with a triangle and strangle them 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.080 with a square. You know, we've done it many times 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.360 at this point. 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.760 But I think it's get this shakeout, Yeah, get this. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.120 Get the shift bob bop pop. But like it's a 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.680 really it's a really good tone switch, and it's one 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.840 of those smart stories telling where it almost kind of 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.680 it sets you up for one thing and then pushes 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.400 you into a totally different style of gameplay. And it's 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:45.000 this is such a fun, spooky segment because you're kind 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.120 of if you get caught by the you know, the 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.040 the massive spotlights, then they'll find you and they send 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.080 more soldiers, and you really got to be sneaking. And 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.480 it's not just you, it's you, it's test if Ellie 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:56.960 and sometimes if if you if you get seen, then 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:58.560 they'll get seen and you have to kind of help them. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.960 Miscake extremely tense, so you want to be stealthy. That's 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.919 the best tip here, stealth, stealth, stealth, X. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:16.160 Ray vision, will be back, and we're back. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.199 Eventually they get out of their exit through some ruined 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.680 buildings and then it come out of a sewer pipe 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.400 near what used to be an overpass. And it's here 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:31.040 that Ellie, you know, again, surely concerned that these two 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:35.000 could just murder her outright, tells them what the firefly's 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.399 plan was. It was to get her out of the QZ. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.280 And apparently there's a secret lab somewhere out there to 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.919 the west where scientists are working on a cure. And 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.480 of course Joel and Test have heard all of this 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:52.520 snake oil shit before, you know, they're not impressed by this. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.840 It's been twenty years, twenty years of no cure, no vaccine, nothing. 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.600 When Ellie tells them that, you know, Marlene says, I'm 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.080 whatever is making me immune is the key to the vaccine. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:09.080 Joel is like, Okay, that's it. I've heard enough. I've 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:13.359 heard this before. It's very clear that there is no 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:18.200 part of Joel that is willing or ready to hope again. 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:24.160 And certainly, if even if there was a chance, it's 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.800 much too slim to risk a trip across open country 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.640 all the way to Wyoming or wherever the fuck they're 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:36.679 going tests however, maybe somewhat surprisingly wants to try, although 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.440 in the game, unlike in the show, it reads more 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:41.560 as self interest. 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.040 Hey, yeah, she wants she wants the guns. 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:45.040 She wants the guns. 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.840 Well, she was promised. But I like, this is the 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.760 best thing about a good adaptation, right, is that it 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:54.520 adds context to something that you already love, and if 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.720 you don't love the adaptation, the other thing still exists. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.600 But I think in this case, when I've been replaying it, 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.160 I was just from what I've seen in the show, 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.560 Tess's decisions were seeming like they had this extra weight 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.560 to them, like maybe it was a little bit of 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.440 hope that she was scared to show Joel. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:10.800 It wasn't. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.360 It wasn't just these guns which she was gonna get 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.000 from Robert anyway. So like suddenly she has to do 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.000 this whole extra mission. Why would she want to do that? 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.080 Why wouldn't she be just as reluctant as Joel. I 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.720 love that it kind of adds this this elusive, kind 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.679 of like moral complexity to her choices. But yeah, you 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.320 when you're playing, from what you've seen of Tess. You 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.199 think it's the guns. She wants those guns. She she 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.960 wants what she's and and the Statehouse is the capital. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.359 You know, Capitol Building is not far away. 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.760 I agree with you, and I feel like in the game, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.680 well it's in the show, the relationship with Tess and Joel. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:51.280 I think you're exactly right. And I think episode two 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:57.760 supports this and that this idea that Tess was really 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.000 the more hopeful one all along, but it was high 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.280 that part of herself from Joel. Yeah, because she just 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.720 understands that Joel, like when she snaps. We talked about 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:07.960 this in our Wednesday episode, when she snaps and says, 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:09.959 can you just take the good news for once? You 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:14.439 understand in that moment that that her frustration with Joel 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:18.600 for never hoping, for never you know, holding out any 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:23.200 kind of wish that the future could be better really 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.960 kind of wears on her, but she's been keeping quiet 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:29.080 about it. In the game, they're two peas in a pod. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:31.440 Like it's it. 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.679 Seems like she's the leader, she's the beacon, and Joel's 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.040 kind of this empty vessel. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.480 He's the follower. He is just lost and he just 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.679 wants to do anything In the game that will deaden 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.720 the feeling of loss and tragedy that he's carrying around, 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:52.120 whereas Tess is just a creature of rage, just lashing 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:57.280 out killing everybody. A good change, I think from games. 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:03.560 It's a really nice expansion, and on someone who was 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.760 essentially a side character that was given so much more 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.520 weight that even people who knew Tessa's fate expected her 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:13.760 to last longer in the show than she did. 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.600 On the trek to the State House, we learn from 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.399 Tessenjol's conversations that the military bombed Boston and most of 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.800 the big cities in a kind of vain attempt to 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.119 stop the infection. Although I guess you could argue in 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.199 Boston it kind of worked. 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.520 It worked, but it kind of just pushed the infected inside. 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:34.399 That's kind of And also, I will say this is 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:38.320 the moment in this in the game and in the 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.320 second episode. This is when if you've played the game 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.600 and you're watching the second episode, or if you've watched 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.600 the second episode and now you're playing the game to 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.280 catch up, you're going to start acting like Leonardo DiCaprio 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.159 in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and pointing at. 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.720 The screen and going, oh, because they just they are 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:59.439 just absolutely just it's so wild to see something so 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:04.480 die directly adapted, not just in visual aesthetic, but in writing, 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.000 like to trust the writing of a video game to 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:08.880 carry and oppress the ch TV show and to hear 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.359 these lines, it's just so cool. 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:17.760 Yeah, I agree with you. Eventually they get to the 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:24.120 Capitol building and it's here that our heroes encounter and you, 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.159 as the player, encounter your first clickers, the first like 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:32.520 really really dangerous boss level enemy. They are dangerous, they 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.040 are super aggressive. Of course they cannot see, but they 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:41.040 have pinpoint acoustical qualities akin to sonar and bats, and 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.240 if you make any kind of noise, they will immediately 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:45.760 key in on you and they will fuck you up. 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:49.760 So now you, as the player moving Joel, have to 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.560 move through these ruins and dead silence. And this is 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:56.320 when in the game you will probably begin to really 0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:01.520 lean on distractions, bricks whatever to kind of throw bottle 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.200 the clickers. 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:06.160