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Speaker 3: Hello again, everyone, and welcome to the Colts Official Podcast.

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Speaker 3: My name's Gorman. I have joined week in and week

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Speaker 4: If you want ins and outs.

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Speaker 3: Of this football team and what's happening in training camp

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Speaker 3: leading up to the Buffalo Bills one pm Saturday kickoff.

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Speaker 3: JJ Stankoitz, at Lara Overton and JJ. I got to

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Speaker 3: talk to you first and foremost. Right out of the gate.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing this show, and I'm afraid I'm a little

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Speaker 3: Lara Overton and guys, I, as you both know, I'm

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Speaker 2: We had some rolling there. Yeah, that's a breakfast ball.

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Speaker 2: We didn't will breakfast ball on podcast.

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Speaker 3: Basically a rehearsal before the podcast today. We've already went

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Speaker 3: so Lara than you JJ. She scares me. You don't,

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Speaker 3: so I'm sorry for the bottom of my heart.

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Speaker 4: No, that's why we all have preseason, right I just

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Speaker 4: you do this in the regular season.

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Speaker 3: On Waivers, I did have a fumble we had a

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Speaker 3: lot going on up here at Grand Park in Westfield.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get you up to speed on the Colts

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Speaker 3: training camp and discuss Anthony Richardson's strong performance Should I

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Speaker 3: say that plural strong performances?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think he lately. We're also going to give you

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Speaker 3: a fun thing called Who's that Guy. We're going to

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Speaker 3: give you our our take on who's somebody to watch for?

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Speaker 3: That's going to be uh, not somebody who's on the

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Speaker 3: big Marquie radar of Colts fans normally, but with some

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Speaker 3: younger players, like an Eve song, what was it?

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Speaker 2: Who's that guy? Who's that guy?

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Speaker 4: No? I don't know that it's Who's that girl?

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Speaker 3: But I remember that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, two thousand and one.

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Speaker 3: We also have from the Athletic and I don't know

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Speaker 3: Robert Mays knows a lot about football.

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Speaker 4: Mays is athletic or he just writes for the.

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Speaker 2: Athletic former uh former high school center up in Barrington, Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Kirk Cousin's fun fact, So he is athletic.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I saw this gentleman center centerman doesn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's just what happens, I know. But Bob

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Speaker 3: Robert Hayes coming up the Z Robert Mays. Yeah, what

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Speaker 4: We're not gonna plays.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna hear You're not gonna hear anything from

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, if you're shooting your shot, were trying

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Speaker 2: The problem. The problem is that players enter usually through

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Speaker 3: It is already. But anyway, Anthony Richardson, if you lost

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Speaker 3: her picture, I do have it, but I do want

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Speaker 3: to talk about him JJ. I'm going to start with you.

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Speaker 3: We've all been talking about it two weeks ago. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? What we've seen from Anthony Richardson and especially over

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Speaker 3: Lara, I gotta ask you, have you noticed a leadership

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Speaker 3: Because you come in here, you do your ogas he's

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Speaker 3: And all offenses, they all have a leader, and it

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And it hasn't necessarily been something that just came

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Speaker 2: I mean, and here's what we've heard from Anthony Richardson's

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Speaker 2: Quintin Nelson, who I mean, offensive lineman. If you want

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Speaker 2: to the O line right and they'll tell you, you know,

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Speaker 2: whether it's through direct words or actions or you know,

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Speaker 2: him from you know, the other guys, that's all real,

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Speaker 2: that's not bus and guys are going to continue to

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Speaker 2: just be a better leader of this team. You know.

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Speaker 2: I had a really interesting chat kind of along the

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Speaker 2: he said, like, if people follow you, you are a leader,

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Speaker 2: whether you want to be in that position or not,

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Speaker 4: Well, we're gonna get over too to do TV again.

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Speaker 2: a guy who if you ever talked with him, he

433
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Speaker 2: is no nonsense. There is there is not an ounce

434
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Speaker 2: of hyperbole in anything that he says.

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Speaker 4: He has also forgotten more football.

436
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Speaker 2: Yes, he's ever seen he's coached for forty five years, unbelieved.

437
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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's so great. And I love talking

438
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Speaker 2: to him because he always gives it to you strength. Yes,

439
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Speaker 2: and that those got to me when you talk to

440
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Speaker 2: a guy like him who then says these things about

441
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Speaker 2: Shack with his credibility, that makes my ears kind of

442
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Speaker 2: perk up a little bit. Okay, we're not only headed

443
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Speaker 2: in the right direction right now, but we're starting to see,

444
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Speaker 2: like Gus Bradley and Richard Smith and Cato June and

445
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Speaker 2: everyone are starting to see what Shack could be in

446
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Speaker 2: this defense in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Real quick, he's a veteran, hadn't played football in a while,

448
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 3: came back for a cup of coffee last season, like

449
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 3: we saw it, and that was off again. So he

450
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 3: hasn't played competitive football very long in the last year

451
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Speaker 3: and a half two years. Do you need extra preseason

452
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Speaker 3: reps out of Shaquille Leonard? You know, because we know

453
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Speaker 3: this cat can play. But I'm just saying, you got

454
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Speaker 3: to get back in that football shape and football speed.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna have joint practices coming up, I know, But preseason, Larra,

456
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Speaker 3: if he's in shorts and a T shirt every preseason game,

457
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Speaker 3: does that mean that he'll be fine ready to go

458
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Speaker 3: fifty plus plays against Jacksonville Week one?

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Speaker 4: I think it could. But you know, I do think

460
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Speaker 4: that there is something to be said for just working

461
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Speaker 4: through some things in the preseason. Because everyone, I shouldn't

462
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Speaker 4: say everyone for the starters in the preseason, everybody is

463
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Speaker 4: on an allotment. Everyone is on a specific amount of

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Speaker 4: plays or a specific number of series or amount of

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Speaker 4: time they're gonna be on the field. I think it

466
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Speaker 4: would be beneficial for Shaq Leonard to go into a

467
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Speaker 4: game knowing that he's gonna play X number of snaps

468
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Speaker 4: and then come off the field, because I think that

469
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Speaker 4: it is very difficult to think about, Oh, he's gonna

470
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Speaker 4: go from playing in no games to then go into

471
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Speaker 4: the regular season and just be full, full speed ahead,

472
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Speaker 4: because it's good. It's very hard to limit him when

473
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Speaker 4: you go into the regular season, right, he is going

474
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Speaker 4: to want to be out there and available on the

475
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Speaker 4: field as much as possible when you get to meaningful

476
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Speaker 4: football games that have a result and that are going

477
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Speaker 4: to count towards your record. So I think that it

478
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Speaker 4: could be beneficial for him to diligently use at least

479
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Speaker 4: some of the preseason, whether it's you know, Buffalo, Chicago, Philly,

480
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Speaker 4: whatever it is. I think it's probably more likely that's

481
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Speaker 4: Buffalo in Chicago because of that quick week you'll have

482
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Speaker 4: in Philadelphia joint practice Tuesday, game on Thursday. Just for

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Speaker 4: him to go through. Okay, I have the expectation in

484
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Speaker 4: my mind that I'm playing this amount of time, that

485
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Speaker 4: I'm on the field this long, and then i know

486
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Speaker 4: I'm coming out and I will have built confidence off

487
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Speaker 4: of that, and I'll know exactly how I feel and

488
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Speaker 4: maybe how I need to use the next few weeks

489
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Speaker 4: to be ready to go, because I do not think

490
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Speaker 4: that you're going to want to have to put any

491
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Speaker 4: restraint on him as you go into the regular season,

492
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Speaker 4: because that's just not how he plays football, you know,

493
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Speaker 4: he is, He's just he wants to be kind of

494
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Speaker 4: that like Stallion set free, you know, ready to go

495
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Speaker 4: out there and maybe not.

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Speaker 2: Just a guy. And I think there's there's benefit to

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Speaker 2: Shaquille Leonard's first tackle not coming one.

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Speaker 3: You're right, They're right, that's gonna be huge mentally and physical.

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Speaker 2: But again, but to kind of go back to it,

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Speaker 2: Shack and the Colts are together not going to put

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Speaker 2: him in a position that is the least bit risky. Hey,

502
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Speaker 2: so if he if he's out there, he can be

503
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Speaker 2: out there. But if there's any any thought of, hey,

504
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Speaker 2: we just might need to kind of dial it back

505
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Speaker 2: a little bit for the preseason, Like let's not get

506
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Speaker 2: too far ahead of ourselves. You're on the right track,

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Speaker 2: Maybe hold you back. I would to you know, you

508
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Speaker 2: totally understand that, and I think Shaq does too. I

509
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Speaker 2: think Shaq understands you can't you can't go too fast

510
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Speaker 2: on this and this needs to be a methodical process.

511
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Speaker 2: But hey, part of that process could be getting Hi

512
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Speaker 2: out there on the field. We'll say this.

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Speaker 3: Defense young, long, big. They've been up and thumping going

514
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Speaker 3: on this whole camp up to this point. So a

515
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Speaker 3: healthy Shack Leonard obviously physically and mentally, the Colts are

516
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Speaker 3: in great shape because we know what he can do

517
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Speaker 3: as a difference maker, especially when it comes to turnover.

518
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Speaker 3: So all right, good job, well done on the Shack

519
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Speaker 3: update because we needed that, and we've got more of

520
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Speaker 3: that coming up. You can find out all the latest

521
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Speaker 3: information on Colts dot com. What's going on. JJ Stankovitz

522
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Speaker 3: at JJ Stankovitz on x or Twitter at lera over

523
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Speaker 3: to Now, let's slow it down a little bit. We

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Speaker 3: talked about him earlier in the show, Robert Mays on

525
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Speaker 3: the Athletics Football Podcast, and he's also from the Athletic

526
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Speaker 3: A knowledge, a wealth of knowledge when it comes to

527
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Speaker 3: the pro game Former Center. We found out about Robert May,

528
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Speaker 3: so he does know the game. JJ Stankovitz and Matt Taylor,

529
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Speaker 3: Voice of the Colts. They had a chance to catch

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Speaker 3: up with Robert earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: We're back here at Westfield Grand Park after a Sunday

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Speaker 1: practice for the Indianapolis Colts in the afternoon with JJ

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Speaker 1: Stankovitz alongside. I'm Matt Taylor joining us. Robert May special

534
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Speaker 1: guest from The Athletic and he's the host of The

535
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Speaker 1: Athletic Football, a very popular football podcast that we encourage

536
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Speaker 1: everybody to check out. And you're stop in Indianapolis. Robert, welcome.

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Speaker 5: I'm very happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: What are some storylines that you followed that took you

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Speaker 1: here to Grand Park.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you realize they drafted a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: They did.

542
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Speaker 5: They did, so I know you guys might not know that,

543
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Speaker 5: but I want to let you know they drafted one

544
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Speaker 5: and he's very, very physically talented. So I was curious

545
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Speaker 5: to come here and both see him, hear about him,

546
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Speaker 5: talk to people about him. And anytime a franchise is

547
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Speaker 5: in transition, I think it's always good to visit and

548
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Speaker 5: just kind of see where things are and the tone

549
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Speaker 5: of the building and you know how people are feeling

550
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Speaker 5: about the upcoming season, and you know, with Shane coming

551
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Speaker 5: in here this year and them really turning the page

552
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Speaker 5: in a couple different ways, and me being three hours

553
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Speaker 5: away in Chicago, it always have to come. So I'm

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Speaker 5: excited to be here.

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Speaker 2: What do you think a successful season for Anthony Richardson

556
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Speaker 2: would look like? From from your national perspective, where you've

557
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Speaker 2: seen rookie quarterbacks succeed or fail based on their own circumstances,

558
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: based on the team they go to. For Anthony, what

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Speaker 2: do you think that looks like?

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Speaker 5: Consistent progress? And it's not gonna be linear. You know,

561
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Speaker 5: there's gonna be a great game and then there's gonna

562
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Speaker 5: be a bad game. But just making sure that the

563
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Speaker 5: arrow is pointed up generally throughout the season I think

564
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Speaker 5: is important. You want to see the splash plays, and

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Speaker 5: you want to make sure that the bet you made

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Speaker 5: on him is that he could be a force of nature,

567
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Speaker 5: and when you drop him into this situation where he

568
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Speaker 5: could just be the best player on the field in

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Speaker 5: certain moments, you're gonna want that. You're gonna want moments

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Speaker 5: where he just looks different than everyone else because that's

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Speaker 5: what you drafted him to be. There's he's unlike any

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Speaker 5: player that's really been drafted in the top five that

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Speaker 5: I can ever remember. His thirteen starts, yeah, his completion

574
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Speaker 5: percentage and some of the other traditional metrics that you

575
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Speaker 5: look at are not in line with what you typically

576
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Speaker 5: think of when you think of the top five pick.

577
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Speaker 5: So you need to see the reasons that you made

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Speaker 5: him a top five pick. I think that's what's important.

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Speaker 5: I don't think you have to put any sort of

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Speaker 5: number on it. I don't think it has to be

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Speaker 5: where they finish in any sort of efficiency metric. I

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Speaker 5: don't think it has to be a win total. I

583
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Speaker 5: don't think it has to be a yardage total. I

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Speaker 5: think is just a feeling that when you get to

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Speaker 5: the end of the year, you think this is the

586
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Speaker 5: right bet, and if that's the case, that's a win.

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Speaker 2: Robert, you and I were chatting during practice and you

588
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Speaker 2: brought up how the early days of like football analytics,

589
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: the two things that you know football outsiders in there

590
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Speaker 2: is like what the late nineties that they said would

591
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Speaker 2: carry over for quarterback success from college of the pros

592
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Speaker 2: where games started in completion percentage. Yes, those are two

593
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Speaker 2: things that Anthony Richardson does not have in spades coming

594
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Speaker 2: out of the University of Florida thirteen starts, a completion

595
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: percentage in the fifties. But when you look at him

596
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Speaker 2: out there and you look at just the the NFL landscape.

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Speaker 2: Does the Colts drafting him in the top five, does

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Speaker 2: that kind of represent the changing shift in how quarterbacks

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00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: are and how quarterback development more specifically is being viewed

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Speaker 2: by teams around the league?

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Speaker 5: One hundred percent. I think this is kind of the

602
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Speaker 5: endpoint of that discourse. He would never be drafted in

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Speaker 5: the top five fifteen twenty years ago. And we've seen

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Speaker 5: so many guys succeed from kind of untraditional backgrounds with

605
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: untraditional skill sets, Patrick Mahomes being the player that he is,

606
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Speaker 5: Josh Allen succeeding in the way that he did. We're

607
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Speaker 5: not looking for Peyton Manning and Tom Brady Clins at

608
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 5: the position anymore. We're looking for guys that have a

609
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Speaker 5: certain physical skill set, and I think more importantly or

610
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 5: as important, is the right mindset and makeup. And if

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Speaker 5: you have those two things, if you have a reservoir

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Speaker 5: a physical talent, and you have the intelligence and just

613
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 5: the will to get better, those are bets that are

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Speaker 5: going to be worth making. That's what Josh Allen was,

615
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 5: That's what Jalen Hurts was, and the Colts are hoping

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Speaker 5: that he's kind of the next step in that. And

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Speaker 5: there are some other kind of more micro things about

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Speaker 5: his game. He's a very natural thrower of the football.

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Speaker 5: His upper body stuff is what you'd want to see.

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Speaker 5: It's just about cleaning up aspects to his game. So

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Speaker 5: it's not as simple as those terms, But I think

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Speaker 5: that those are the two boxes that if you can

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Speaker 5: check the talent, and you can check the will and

624
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 5: desire to get better, and those areas where you need

625
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 5: to improve are they exist within a certain framework. I

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Speaker 5: think that you can talk yourself into a guy like

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Speaker 5: this in a way you never could have twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: You know, Robert, based on what you know about Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson and based on what you saw today seeing him

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Speaker 1: for the first time in a professional setting going through

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Speaker 1: an NFL practice, what are your expectations for him in

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Speaker 1: terms of how the Cults are going to use him

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Speaker 1: early on in the season. If that does come to fruition.

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Speaker 5: I think that they're going to protect him in the

635
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Speaker 5: ways that we saw jayalhen Hurtz get protected in Philly

636
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Speaker 5: early on. Just run the ball, Just run the ball consistently.

637
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 5: Use him to run the ball consistently, because we've seen

638
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Speaker 5: that around the league, and I think teams have been

639
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 5: smart to do this, where you use the run game

640
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Speaker 5: as a precursor to your quarterbacks development and you kind

641
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Speaker 5: of bide time with it, you raise the floor of

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Speaker 5: what your offense can be if you lean on that

643
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Speaker 5: version of it. Think about Philly in twenty twenty one,

644
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 5: and they weren't one of the best offenses in the league,

645
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 5: but they could move the ball consistently. They were a

646
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Speaker 5: decent offense because they had this quarterback with this hyper

647
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Speaker 5: specific skill set and they built this run centric offense

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Speaker 5: around him. And I think that's what they're going to

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Speaker 5: try to do here. Can we just make sure that

650
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Speaker 5: we're getting again that progress. Can we make sure the

651
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Speaker 5: arrow was pointed in the right direction, And I think

652
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Speaker 5: not throwing a ton on him early as a passer

653
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Speaker 5: and leaning on his legs a little bit. I think

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Speaker 5: that's the smart way to do it, and I'd be

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Speaker 5: surprised that they didn't handle it.

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Speaker 1: You always hate to make comparisons player A or to

657
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Speaker 1: play er B. But I read a stat the other day.

658
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the number was, but the Philadelphia

659
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Speaker 1: Eagles the last two years with Jalen Hurts as their quarterback,

660
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Speaker 1: they've led the NFL and RPO plays in each of

661
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Speaker 1: the last two years. Obviously, Anthony Richardson can do a

662
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Speaker 1: lot of the same things that Jalen Hurts can do.

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Speaker 1: Do you see RPO being front and center offensively here

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Speaker 1: with the Colts.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, because then your run game, your passing game is

666
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Speaker 5: an extension of your running game, So it comes from

667
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Speaker 5: the same place. And the thing about RPOs is their

668
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Speaker 5: defined reads. Yeah, you're not asking him to do anything crazy.

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Speaker 5: If this guy's open throw to him, if this guy's

670
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Speaker 5: moves hand the ball off, it's a pretty simple set

671
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Speaker 5: of decisions that you're putting on a very young player.

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Speaker 5: So I think that's just again an extension of that

673
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Speaker 5: idea of we're going to lean on his legs, We're

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Speaker 5: going to lead on his physical ability as we kind

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Speaker 5: of get to the stuff further down the road that

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Speaker 5: we might want to get to.

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Speaker 2: So you and night Tyson on your podcast have talked

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Speaker 2: about the Colts maybe being the League Pass team, which

679
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Speaker 2: is a reference to NBA League Pass. So there's always

680
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Speaker 2: like that one team that maybe isn't the contending for

681
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Speaker 2: an NBA championship, but man, they do some really fun stuff.

682
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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna watch him on NBA League Pass, you

683
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Speaker 2: mentioned the Colts as that what about the scheme that

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Speaker 2: Shane Stichen can bring with Anthony Richards's skill set with

685
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Speaker 2: some of the other pieces that are in place here,

686
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Speaker 2: kind of gives you that hint of like, yeah, maybe, yea,

687
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Speaker 2: I will you know, watch a one pm Colts game

688
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Speaker 2: even if the team maybe isn't in playoff contention.

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Speaker 5: The quarterback drives a lot of that and him being

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Speaker 5: as potentially as exciting as he is. But my favorite

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Speaker 5: part about the Colts and about this pairing is that

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Speaker 5: with almost any other offensive coordinator in the NFL, you

693
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Speaker 5: would have to use some imagination when you were trying

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Speaker 5: to talk yourself into the marriage. Well, you know, maybe

695
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Speaker 5: he has an idea for how to use Anthony Richards

696
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Speaker 5: and maybe he can deploy him in the right way.

697
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Speaker 5: There's no imagination necessary with Shane. We've seen him do it.

698
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Speaker 5: Jalen Hurt's like it is a perfect one to one

699
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Speaker 5: combination because you've seen it in practice. You've seen him

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Speaker 5: use a guy with this sort of skill set and

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Speaker 5: bring him along at the right rate, And that is

702
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Speaker 5: so powerful. The fact that there is roof of concept

703
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Speaker 5: already with this coach with this type of quarterback, and

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Speaker 5: that's why I want to watch it because I have

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Speaker 5: faith in it working.

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Speaker 2: The state of the AFC South, to me, is very

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Speaker 2: interesting where I think a lot of people just assume

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Speaker 2: it's the worst division in football. But you have the

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars as one of your ten best offenses. Correct, yes,

710
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Speaker 2: high up there, high up there. You're doing your ten

711
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Speaker 2: best Defenses show and this pod will come out after

712
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Speaker 2: that goes out. But you have the Houston Texans and

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Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans in your top ten twos.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't I wouldn't take much from the Texans one.

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Speaker 5: That's just me like just having a feeling.

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Speaker 2: But you there is a pot there is a world

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Speaker 2: in which the Texans.

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Speaker 5: Have been You're pretty good doing them for a reason, right,

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Speaker 5: I think that they're You bring in a head coach

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Speaker 5: in Tamiko Riyance who said a lot of success as

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Speaker 5: defensive coordinator. You have a young kind of collection of

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Speaker 5: talent on that side of the ball. A jump forward

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Speaker 5: as possible. I think it is totally reasonable to think

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Speaker 5: and conclude that I believe some of the teams in

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Speaker 5: the AFC South have a chance to be more competitive

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Speaker 5: than some people around the world league.

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Speaker 2: Do That's where I was kind of getting. Yeah, And

728
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Speaker 2: that lends itself to maybe not as easy of a

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Speaker 2: schedule for the Colts or for any team in this

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Speaker 2: division that you know some people may assume. But just

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Speaker 2: the general grouping of the AFC self, do you still

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Speaker 2: consider them even with those things in mind? Do you

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Speaker 2: still consider this division to be one of the weaker

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Speaker 2: ones in the league? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Probably, you know, I don't think there are that many

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Speaker 5: divisions around the NFL that are total train wrecks at

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Speaker 5: this point. I don't think there are that many teams

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Speaker 5: that are pointing toward a top ten pick kind of decidedly.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think that Arizona is going to be

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Speaker 5: one of the worst teams in the league because I

741
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Speaker 5: think they want to be one of the worst teams

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Speaker 5: in the league. I think there are other teams where

743
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Speaker 5: you could make a real downside case for them, and

744
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Speaker 5: you can make a real downside case for some of

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Speaker 5: the teams in the AFC South. It's very possible that

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Speaker 5: the Texans offense is just da and year one. They

747
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Speaker 5: have a first year offensive coordinator, they have a rookie quarterback,

748
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Speaker 5: They have really no weapons on the outside. I mean,

749
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Speaker 5: the best receiver on their team is probably Nico Collins.

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Speaker 5: That could be a bottom five offense even if their

751
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Speaker 5: defense is pretty good and that combination, maybe that's a

752
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Speaker 5: five to six win team. With Tennessee their offense, they

753
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Speaker 5: have the worst offensive line and football even if you're

754
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Speaker 5: excited about some of the pieces that they have offensively,

755
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Speaker 5: we've seen better offensive lines torpedo an entire team for

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Speaker 5: over the course of a year. So there's a chance

757
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Speaker 5: that the Titans are so bad upfront that they can't

758
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Speaker 5: even function even if their defense is going to be good.

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Speaker 5: So I just think that there's a wide range of

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Speaker 5: outcomes for these teams. Because if Tennessee's defense is really

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Speaker 5: good and their line can kind of catch a couple

762
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Speaker 5: breaks and you still have those pieces. If the Texans

763
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Speaker 5: are better quicker than we expect them to be, c

764
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Speaker 5: just drafts good right away. They've surrounded him with enough

765
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Speaker 5: on offense. You can talk yourself into all of them.

766
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Speaker 5: But I think overall, yes, the upside cases for each

767
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 5: of these teams is not as high as it is

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Speaker 5: for some of the other teams around the league, and

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Speaker 5: some of the other divisions around the league. I even

770
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Speaker 5: think a team a division like the NFC South, for example,

771
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Speaker 5: where you could make a case for every single team.

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Speaker 5: It's much easier for me to talk myself into ten

773
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Speaker 5: win seasons for the Panthers, the Saints, and the Falcons

774
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Speaker 5: than it is to do it for the Texans, the Colts,

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Speaker 5: and the Titans. So even if I think the teams

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Speaker 5: are going to be a little bit more competitive then

777
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Speaker 5: some people on the outside might, I still think the

778
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Speaker 5: overall quality and upside of the division, the ceiling cases

779
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Speaker 5: are just harder to talk yourself into.

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Speaker 1: You know, I always like asking people in your shoes

781
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Speaker 1: as we let you go here. You guys were talking

782
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Speaker 1: about the AFC South and the teams that might be

783
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: able to surprise win total wise, but we know about parody.

784
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Speaker 1: In the NFL, there's always teams. There's like four teams

785
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Speaker 1: every year that make the playoffs that did in the

786
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Speaker 1: year before. So kind of putting you on the spot here,

787
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Speaker 1: but give me a team that you think is going

788
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Speaker 1: to rebound this year, and then maybe a team that

789
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Speaker 1: might be susceptible to the regress in twenty three.

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Speaker 5: I think the Falcons are going to be really interesting

791
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Speaker 5: this year. I have a lot of faith in their offense,

792
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Speaker 5: and they've really put a lot of pieces around vesmin

793
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Speaker 5: Ritter and they're not going to ask him to do

794
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Speaker 5: a lot and just keep the train on the tracks.

795
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Speaker 5: And the pieces that they've added on defense, I just

796
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 5: think have a chance to make them a different sort

797
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 5: of unit on that side of the ball. If you

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00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 5: look at the bodies they have up front in the

799
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 5: front seven, they are big and they are physical. They

800
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 5: don't have any true top tier edge rushers, but they've

801
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 5: got enough guys to kind of figure out that problem.

802
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Speaker 5: I think they'll be a blitz happy team. So that's

803
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 5: just a team that I don't know. I like the

804
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 5: makeup of where they are right now in a division

805
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 5: that really does feel like it's up for grabs, and

806
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 5: a team that played well last year, a team that

807
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: made the playoffs last year that's probably going to take

808
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 5: a step back. It's a great question looking around the

809
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Speaker 5: league trying to do this in real time.

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Speaker 1: You need a bracket almost right, you know.

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Speaker 5: I think the Minnesota is obviously the easy answer. Yeah,

812
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Speaker 5: they won thirteen games last year, they were not a

813
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Speaker 5: thirteen win team on paper. If you look at some

814
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Speaker 5: of the underlying metrics and all the close games that

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Speaker 5: they won. If the Vikings, honestly the Vikings won nine

816
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 5: games this year, I don't think it's a disappointing season.

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Speaker 5: I think that's about where they are. They're in such

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Speaker 5: a weird space where they're trying to compete in some ways,

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Speaker 5: but they're also tearing down areas of the roster and others.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think that they kind of want to

821
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Speaker 5: be at a place a year from now where they've

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Speaker 5: got these building blocks on the roster with Justin Jefferson,

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Speaker 5: Christian Darras, saw their left tackle Jordan Addison who they

824
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 5: drafted TJ. Hockinson, and then maybe a piece or two

825
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 5: on defense, and then they're kind of in a rebuild

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Speaker 5: mode and that's going to be difficult based on their

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Speaker 5: avenues to find a quarterback and then that's getting a

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Speaker 5: little bit deep into into the weeds. But I think again,

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Speaker 5: if they finish somewhere around five hundred, it's not necessarily disappointment.

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Speaker 5: Even if they won thirteen games.

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Speaker 1: That's great stuff, per usual. Robert Mays from The Athletic

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Speaker 1: Football Show, the Podcast with the Athletic Thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: to Graham Park and thanks for your time after practice.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, guys, anytime.

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Speaker 3: A bunch of smart people talking football. There, JJ, I

836
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Speaker 3: see why you like to get him on the broadcast.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've told him this and he hates it,

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Speaker 2: but I've told him, like, the only reason why I

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Speaker 2: can have intelligent conversations with like Shane steike In and

840
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Speaker 2: Chris Ballard and some of our folks in the front

841
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Speaker 2: office and coaching staff is because I listened to his

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Speaker 2: podcast There You Go, and the work that he puts

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00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: in and the detail that he goes into is really good.

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Speaker 2: I would highly recommend it if you're looking for a

845
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: national perspective on thing. He always good to dial into

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00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: what he's doing. In addition to listening to us here

847
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Speaker 2: on the Coltsandia.

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Speaker 3: Little and Lara, when you get a minute, tell me

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Speaker 3: what JJ says when I'm not around after being a

850
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: podcast or somebody smart as opposed to well, somebody maybe

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Speaker 3: not so smart.

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Speaker 2: All right, but you have the red button. That's good.

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Speaker 3: I do have a smart segment coming up called Who's

854
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: that Guy. We're past the Medway point of camp. Some

855
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: Colts fans are asking who who's that guy? Who's that guy?

856
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: Who's that guy who wears that number? Who you know

857
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: what they're talking about when it comes to some new faces.

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Speaker 3: Every year we go through the same thing. But I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna ask you, guys, who's that guy for you that

860
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: could play big roles this upcoming season? Maybe not the

861
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: household names, you know, they're starting to emerge a little bit. JJ,

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Speaker 3: I'll start with you, who's that guy?

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Speaker 2: So if you've come out here to training camp, you've

864
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Speaker 2: probably noticed a cat wearing number fifty running around like

865
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: a missile on defense. And his name is Sagoon Alubi.

866
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: He goes by Shay and he is part of the

867
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: group of players who are competing to be linebacker depth

868
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: hind Shack Leonard, Zire Franklin, EJ. Speed and the physicality

869
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: and speed which with which Alubi plays has stood out

870
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: to me during camp. I'm excited to see him out

871
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: there in Buffalo because so he had a play we

872
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: had Shack Leonard micd up. By the way, if you

873
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 2: haven't seen it, it's fantastic over the weekend, and there's

874
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: a play where it's kind of it's off camera. The

875
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: camera's on Shack and it's on Zire, Franklin and both

876
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: those guys like lose their minds. They're screaming, they're yelling.

877
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 2: And it was a hit that shay A Luby had

878
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: maybe a little too physical, but who knows, but god,

879
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: you'd rather it be too physical than not physical enough.

880
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: They were reacting to that. And he's had he had

881
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 2: an interception, he had a pick six earlier in training camp.

882
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: A guy, I just want to see him go out

883
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: there and do it now. I think, at the very least,

884
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: maybe you're talking about him as a special teams contributor.

885
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: But the Colts are trying to figure out linebackers up

886
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: behind those three guys. It's a lot of young guys.

887
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: You got Jojo Doman, you got Grant Stewart, you got

888
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: shay Aluby. You know, Richard Smith talked about how they're

889
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: really trying to find that backup Mike, So let's go

890
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: out and see it now, Let's go see what these

891
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: guys can do. And you might be listening to this

892
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: being like, are you talking about linebacker depth? Who cares? Well,

893
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: it's two or two weeks into training camp and there's

894
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: a game coming up, and honestly, I'm at the point where, yeah,

895
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: I want to talk about linebacker depth. That's where I'm

896
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: at in training camp right now. So let's let's just

897
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: lean into it with some Shaye Luby talk here.

898
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: I love it, Lara Olverton, I play this game with

899
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: you now. A lot of Colts fans been asking around, Hey,

900
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: who's that guy? Who's that guy, Lara, who's that guy

901
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 3: for you that emerges this season? Maybe not a household name.

902
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 4: Well, it's a guy who the Colts invested a draft

903
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: pick in, and it's Evan Hole, who has gotten some

904
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: significant time in camp because you've seen rotation at running

905
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: back and you have seen the opportunity for him to

906
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 4: do some different things. And one of the things you

907
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 4: like is a different element that he brings to your

908
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: run game in the sense that he's a threat as

909
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: a pass catching back. And I kind of ran this

910
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 4: past jaj earlier today. But if you know, it might

911
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: be speaking too broadly, but I think that if you

912
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 4: look at what people envisioned or may have expected from

913
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: what Naim hines, what you thought he might be able

914
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: to produce for you, the weapon he might be able

915
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: to be in the pass game, I think you can

916
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: kind of I don't want to say they're exactly similar entities,

917
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: but just in terms of a different element that it brings.

918
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 4: I do think that he has the potential to be that.

919
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 4: I mean, you had a good point though with that JJ.

920
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 4: You know, he's not a guy who's Necetari gonna line

921
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 4: up in the slot. But in terms of catching passes

922
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: out of the backfield, he's certainly you saw it at Northwestern,

923
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 4: you know. And then there are some things though that

924
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 4: you want to see him develop over the course of

925
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 4: the preseason. But what I've liked from him so far

926
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: in camp is that he's been incredibly consistent and reliable

927
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 4: no matter which quarterback that he's been working with, and

928
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: I think that's one of his strongest assets.

929
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see what he can do in

930
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: past protection in these preseason games, because that's going to

931
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: be if he's going to kind of be a third

932
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: down back in this offense. You know, he could be more,

933
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: we'll see, but if he's going to be a third

934
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: down back, you got to be able to catch the ball. Okay,

935
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: check We've seen it on tapea Northwestern, We've seen it

936
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: up here at Grand Park. Can you block? Can you

937
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: block a blitzing linebacker? Can you take care of the

938
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: protection that you know, stick your nose into it and

939
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: make sure that your quarterback stays upright on third and seven.

940
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: That's something that is not easy to do. But you know,

941
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: he's a guy who showed it a little bit in

942
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: college at Northwestern, and I want to see it now

943
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: in these preseason games where it is live, full contact

944
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: and no one's letting up against you. In these can

945
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: he do it now against and again, like I mentioned earlier,

946
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: you're not going to see, you know, Sean mcdermock throw

947
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: like an exotic blitz out there on you. It's going

948
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: to be pretty formulaic. But ultimately you still have to

949
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: block a linebacker coming at you. So can he do

950
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: that if he gets an opportunity and show Yeah, you know,

951
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: if I'm standing next Anthony Richardson and he's dropping back

952
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: and he's scanning the field, he's going from one to two,

953
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: I can make sure that linebacker isn't touch it right.

954
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: That's going to be important for me to see out

955
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: Avan Hall.

956
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And like you guys said, he does have some skills.

957
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 3: Eighty eight footballs he caught the last two years at Northwestern.

958
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: I need somebody anybody to ask me who that guy is.

959
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 4: Who's that guy?

960
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 2: Who's that guy?

961
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: Guy to keep an eye on somebody that may emerge

962
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: that's not a familiar face, Darryl Baker Junior. And had

963
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: a chance to catch up with Darryl earlier today. You

964
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: can hear that on our Colts Audio network coming up

965
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: in the next couple of days. And I'm really impressed

966
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 3: with him obviously as a player. Lara got cut from Arizona.

967
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: We signed him last year about a year ago, or

968
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: roughly a year ago. He's been on a practice squad.

969
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: He saw some action in three games. He's a big cornerback,

970
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: he's a long cornerback, and he's been making some ridiculous

971
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: plays out there as well in the first two and

972
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: a half weeks of this camp. Because Juju Brent's the

973
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: high draft choice that the Colts are coveting, hasn't been available,

974
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: so it's been a guy like Daryl Baker Junior that's

975
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 3: making plays. And I knock on wood that we see

976
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: more of this young man this year.

977
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 4: I think he is. That's one of the things that

978
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 4: he's done is every time you see a pass come

979
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 4: his way, he's competing. I think that is an element

980
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 4: that you have seen that has led him to be

981
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 4: a little bit of like kind of to stand out

982
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: when you talk to Ron Milas about the secondary that

983
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: has had a bit of an injury bug so far

984
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: through this portion of camp. Been encouraging to see a

985
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: guy like Juju Bryns finally get out there and work

986
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 4: his way in. But Daryl Baker has certainly capitalized on

987
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 4: the opportunity that has been presented to him. Another guy

988
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: kind of in that same conversation is Jaylen Jones who

989
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 4: was the draft pick late in the game at South

990
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 4: Carolina Texas Texam's Texas A and.

991
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: M seventhround pick a M.

992
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: Darius Rush was South Carolina. Correct, there we go, all

993
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: these all these draft picks.

994
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: A lot of draft picks, right, yes.

995
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 4: Exactly, So I appreciate your keeping me honest there, JJ

996
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: I thought Jaylen Jones two has been one who has

997
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 4: been just an absolute ball hawk in training camp.

998
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: To think both those guys have been physical, super physical, absolutely,

999
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: and that's been good to see when you know, you

1000
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: talk about competing Learra where we've seen Darryl Baker go

1001
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: up against Alec Pierce Sky, who's a you know, it's

1002
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: physical as it gets at the line of scrimmage, and

1003
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 2: you know Alex want some reps, but so is Darryl.

1004
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what you want to seeing training

1005
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: camp is, you know, making guys better. It's the whole

1006
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: cliche of iron sharpens iron. I think we've seen some

1007
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: really impressive pass breakups from Daryl Baker. We've seen it

1008
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: now from Jalen Jones over the last couple of practices

1009
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: where he's had some plays. Now you want to see

1010
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: it in the games again. It goes back to let's

1011
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: now go see it out in the games. The way

1012
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: I always like to think about training camp is like

1013
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: the practices are quizzes and the games are tests, and

1014
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: then at the end of it you put your grade together.

1015
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 4: Wow, and what that analogy?

1016
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: I can't even tell I can't. I can't. Here's the

1017
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: thing I can't. No, I can't even take credit for

1018
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: that for you. I can't even take credit for that.

1019
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: That's my my late mentor John Moon Mullen always said that,

1020
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: and I thought it made a lot of sense, so

1021
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: I always stuck with it.

1022
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: Well, thank you John, and thank you JJ for that.

1023
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, I just like I like the

1024
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: young man because I guess there's one. I'm counting how

1025
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: many between JJ LERA, how many? How many? He's one

1026
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: of a twin, is what I'm saying is Darryl Baker

1027
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: Junior is one of a twin. JJ. You have twins.

1028
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: Kenny Moore is part of a twin night Hans you

1029
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: we talked to who's up there in Buffalo? What is

1030
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: it with the water around here? He's part He's got

1031
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 3: six but they bording here.

1032
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying we got another with the water

1033
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 2: in the United States of America.

1034
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true, But no, we got another set

1035
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: of twins. He's his parents are retired from the military.

1036
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: So he said he's been focused on on you know,

1037
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: about structure and and you know, having structure on a

1038
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 3: daily stuff that he learned from his parents. He talked

1039
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: about that, talked about hard work can getting where he's

1040
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: at out of Georgia Southern. So again, Evan Hall keep

1041
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: an eye on let Larra has pointed out. We also

1042
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: pointed out on Shay Olubay number fifty, the missile linebacker.

1043
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 3: You'll see him against Buffalo coming up. And I also said,

1044
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: like Daryl Baker Junior, who will not be running from

1045
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: the second row at Talladega this weekend. Darryl Baker Junior

1046
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 3: will be in the Colts defensive secondary. Do not forget, folks,

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1051
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1053
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1062
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Speaker 3: I butchered the start of this thing. We talked for

1063
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Speaker 3: about thirty minutes and I didn't press record, but I'm

1064
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: glad we winded up you guys. I start picking your

1065
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: melon brains, both of you about this football team, and yeah,

1066
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: that's a. That's a that's a good thing. You guys

1067
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 3: are smart. You don't have big heads, but I'm saying

1068
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Speaker 3: the size of your head, you've got more information than

1069
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Speaker 3: the common person.

1070
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, you know what what happens

1071
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: if you know, you're kind of forced to have a

1072
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: formal wedding ceremony and you just can't kind of run

1073
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Speaker 2: away with your spouse right right right you cantelope.

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Speaker 3: Cantelope, not the fruit. But you can't lope like he,

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Speaker 3: you know, go to Hawaii and get married in four

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Speaker 3: foot of water while your wife wears us wrong and

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Speaker 3: you have a you know, a bathing suit on.

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Speaker 2: That's you just teed me up with a melon right

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Speaker 2: there everywhere. Look, you said melon brain, and my brain,

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Speaker 2: which is just totally killed up, went straight to how

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Speaker 2: can I make a terrible pun to torture everything?

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Speaker 3: Oh well, you.

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Speaker 2: Specifically to torture, torture my colleague and the colts. Darren Williams,

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Speaker 2: who I know is listening to this, and just let

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Speaker 2: out a huge Uh, well, that's gonna be great.

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Speaker 3: Congrats because you succeeded on that. Fantastic for Lara Overton

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Speaker 3: and JJ Sankovitz again. Follow them at JJ Sankovitz on

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Speaker 3: x or Twitter at Lara Overton. My name's Gorman. We

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Speaker 3: do it week in and week out, one pm kickoff

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Speaker 3: up at Buffalo. Lara, you will be on the broadcast.

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Speaker 3: Will on the sidelines. JJ. We're gonna hear you immediately,

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Speaker 3: almost immediately.

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Speaker 2: After the boaction. We're back.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Bill Brooks, the Great of Honor, member of

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Speaker 3: the Colts, and JJ Stankovitch will be breaking down the

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Speaker 3: first preseason game against Buffalo. Guys. I'll be back next week.

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Speaker 3: I promise you. This time I'll hit the record button.

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Speaker 3: Is that a deal?

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Speaker 5: Deal?

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Speaker 2: Deal?

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Speaker 3: Don't throw stones at me on the way out. We'll

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Speaker 3: talk to you next week.