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Oh that sounds kind of amazing, So 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: I don't need to wake up for six am calls 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: with the London office anymore. Now you're getting it. Don't 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: let time zones get in the way of your team 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: working well together. See why ninety nine percent of the 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: Fortune hundred trust Miro to get good work done from anywhere. 25 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: Get your first three boards free at miro dot com. 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: That's m I R dot com. Well, we did talk 27 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: about this story a few weeks ago when it became news. 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: It concerns a woman named Rachel who's about to come 29 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: on our show. She's from Venice and apparently she was 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: out walking her eight month old son in a stroller 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: when a rental car driven by a sixteen year old 32 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: toppled them over then try to flee. This happened last August, 33 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: and if the facts of this story are correct, not 34 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: only voted Frelly County District Attorney George Gasconne, she now 35 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: has plans to move completely out of Los Angeles County 36 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: because of the way that this case was handled. Let's 37 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: bring her on the show. Rachel. Welcome to the John 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: and Ken Show. Hello, Rachel, can you hear me? Yes? 39 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: I can. Welcome to the show. How are you hi? Great? 40 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me? Good? Well, why don't you tell 41 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: us what happened on that day last August. Yeah, so 42 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: I was just out for a morning walk like I 43 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: usually did with my son, and you know a car. 44 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: We were walking down a street called Speedway, which runs 45 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: pretty close to the beach. You get a lot of 46 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: just you know, people from out of town that don't 47 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: really know where they're going at a one way street. 48 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: And I saw a car approaching us, coming the wrong 49 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: direction down the one way street, and so I stepped 50 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: over to the side of the road against the wall 51 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: to make room for the driver. And as he approached us, 52 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: he accelerated and just turned the wheels right into us, 53 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: and I was forced to I stepped out in front 54 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: of the car to try to get my son up 55 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: above the height of the nose of the car. Thankfully 56 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: I was able to do that, which I think saved 57 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: his life. Otherwise he would have been been struck right 58 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: in the face by the nose of the car. And 59 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: you both you both toppled, or you did you topple 60 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: to the ground. So I I was um. I jumped 61 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: as I lifted the stroller, and the car hit just 62 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: below my left knee. I went up onto the windshield. 63 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: I broke the um the windshield with my head and 64 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: then I rolled off the side of the car. So 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: what were your injuries? Um? Mostly mental at this point. 66 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: I've got three discs that are out of place in 67 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: my lower back, so I've got constant lower back and 68 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: hit pain. Um. And you know, just you know, on 69 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: the surface, lots of cuts and bruises. I had some 70 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: glass and my elows that worked their way out for 71 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: weeks after after the accident. Um. You know, we're both 72 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: very lucky. My son is is totally okay at the momentum. 73 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: He had some day and night terrors right after the incident. 74 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: For about two months he would just you know, freak 75 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: out over seemingly nothing and become inconsolable. But that's past 76 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: and he seems totally fine. Um. And I've just I'll 77 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: just have this back pain for the rest of my life. 78 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: And that was this car spere of being hit by car. 79 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, by the way, people don't know there is 80 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: video of this. I guess there was a video camera 81 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: in this alleyway that picked up what happened. I saw it. 82 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: It's it's terrified, yes, yes, yeah, it looks a lot 83 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: worse than Yeah, it looks a lot worse than it 84 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: came out in terms of your injuries. It looks really 85 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: awful when you see it. And he was he speeding 86 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: or just driving normal normal speed? Um so the speed 87 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: limits fifteen, I would imagine he was going between twenty 88 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: five and thirty one. He hit us, and he did 89 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: not stop. Apparently what is it that caused him to 90 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: eventually be caught, So he did not slow down right 91 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: after he hit us. He did stop because a car 92 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: was coming the right direction down speedway towards him, and 93 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: this car ended up. The driver that hit us tried 94 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: to go around this truck that was coming the right direction, 95 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: and the truck driver plowed him into a telephone pole. 96 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: So that was how we caught the guy, Otherwise he'd 97 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: be long gone. So you find out that he's sixteen 98 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: years old yep, sixteen, He turned sixteen the day before, 99 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: was driving a stolen rental car, has no license, and 100 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: hadn't been going to school. And I just recently found 101 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: out that he was actually on probation when he hit 102 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: us for poisoning a girl in his high school. She 103 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: had to go to the hospital, and supposedly he was 104 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: tested for drugs at the scene too, so he was 105 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: tested for US and alcohol. No alcohol. He did test 106 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: positive for marijuana and another form of zan X. He 107 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: admitted that he had smoked pot that morning, but the 108 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: zan X was from the night before. Wow. So did 109 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: he say anything at the scene to you, No. We 110 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: we fled the scene. I got my son and we 111 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: went around a corner and we did for paramedics to arrive. 112 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: But eventually give to my knowledge, there's no remorse. Yeah, yeah, 113 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: Well all right, so let's talk about how this was 114 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: handled by the office of the Ella County District Attorney, 115 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: George Gascone. It says that you know, I don't know 116 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: if you knew this, Rachel, but he is particularly tolerant 117 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: of miners, anybody under the age of eighteen. George Gascone 118 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: just not want to see any long term harsh punishment. Now. 119 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: They charged him with two counts of felony assault and 120 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: one count of felony leaving the scene, but he ends 121 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: up with five to seven months in a juvenile probation camp. 122 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: I don't see how that equates because it's a felony case. Well, 123 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: we and we actually had to fight for those charges. 124 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: I my husband and I personally met with the Juvenile 125 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: DA in Inglewood to press for tougher charges because he 126 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: was only originally being charged with one count of the 127 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: felony hit and run. Isn't that ridiculous? Yeah, exactly. And 128 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: they're saying that they saw no evidence of attempted murder 129 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: yet your story in the video I saw, he sure 130 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,559 Speaker 1: looks like he's veered himself right into you. Oh yeah, 131 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: there's If you talk to any lawyer who's you know, 132 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: not pro criminal, they will tell you there's absolutely evidence 133 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: he turned. If you if you you know, pause the video. 134 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: I mean you don't have to pause it to see it, 135 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: but my husband and I have paused it many times, 136 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, shot by shot, just to see what was 137 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: going on, and you know how I reacted and what 138 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: the car was doing. He absolutely turns the wheels towards us. 139 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: The intense is there intentional? Yeah? Can you hang on 140 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: the because we'll get more about this than you're any 141 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: dealings you had with Gascon's office and your future plans. 142 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: We're talking to Rachel. This is a woman who was 143 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: out to walking her son in a stroller. At the time, 144 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: he was just eight months old. This happened in August 145 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: of last year, and they encountered a sixteen year old 146 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: driving a car down an alleyway who veered towards them. 147 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: But Rachel alertly went up against the wall with the 148 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: stroller and was able to stay mostly out of the 149 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: way of the car. Although they were sideswiped, the injuries 150 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: weren't severe. But this is a sixteen year old that 151 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: was already on probation for another incident. He spikes somebody's drink. 152 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: It turns out he's driving under the influence of it 153 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: looks like marijuana and xanax. He doesn't have a license, 154 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: he just turned sixteen. Unbelievable story, and of course Gascon's 155 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: office takes a light treatment. He only gets a few 156 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: months in a juvenile of facility. We'll talk more with 157 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: Rachel when we come back on the John and Ken 158 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: Show on KFI. I guest is a woman named Rachel 159 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: from Venice, maybe not for much longer. She was out 160 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: walking her son, an eight month old at the time, 161 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: this is August of last year, in a stroller in 162 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: a rental car driven by a sixteen year old toppled 163 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: them over. She told the story of this horrifying incident 164 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: caught on video, and not onely did he try to 165 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: run them down. He was without a license, he was 166 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: under the influence. He was on probation for another incident, 167 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: apparently spiking the drink of somebody at school. He was 168 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: from Palmdale. I don't know what he was doing in 169 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: Venice that morning, but anyway, she said he hit us. 170 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,599 Speaker 1: He did slow down after he hit us, but I 171 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: believe he saw the oncoming truck that ended up ramming 172 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: him into the telephone pole and that's how they detained him. 173 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: And because he was sixteen, under George Gascone's policies, yo 174 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: go lights. So he ends up with a few months 175 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: in a juvenile probation camp. And Rachel clearly does not 176 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: think that's enough for someone She thinks maybe had it 177 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: in his mind to kill them both. Rachel, you voted 178 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: for gascon Huh? I sure did. I sure did. I 179 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: regret it, and I think a lot of people regret it. 180 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: Did he or anybody in his office reach out to 181 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: he was the victim of this. No, no, of course not. 182 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: You know, they're not concerned with how we are there. 183 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: The statement they put out, I believe it was on Twitter, 184 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: was that I escaped with the laceration to my elbow 185 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: only and thankfully the child's okay. Yeah, And you're quoted 186 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: as saying you believe that there should be some reform 187 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: in the system, but like a lot of people, you 188 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: didn't realize what Gascone had in mind, and now you're 189 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: seeing it firsthand. I mean, it's his job is to 190 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: prosecute crime. He is the district attorney for all of 191 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and his jobs to prosecute crime, and he 192 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: instead has surrounded himself with public defenders, and he's got 193 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: this whole mindset of protecting the criminals and just letting 194 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: the victims suffer. And did you realize all this after 195 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: your ordeal? Did you start to realize that this is 196 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: how it's working in his office? I you know, I 197 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: hadn't heard much about him until we were hit, and then, 198 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, after something like this happens, he kind of 199 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: just don't know what to do. A deputy district attorney 200 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: by the name of John McKinney had posted our video 201 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: on Twitter. He's been very vocal against gascon since before. Yeah, 202 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: he's been on our show. He's excellent. By the way, 203 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: John McKinney he is. He's now I would call him 204 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: a good friend. He's been so helpful to me in 205 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: just guiding me through the process. And he said, look, 206 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, you know these would 207 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: have been appropriate charges. But under Gascon's policies, you know, 208 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: you cannot expect anything to really happen to this kid. 209 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: And you know, when I vote for somebody because I 210 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: think we need some reform in the system, I think 211 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: it's you know, we need to we need to help 212 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: people we don't. We shouldn't have people with three strikes 213 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: of marijuana possession in jail. You know, if you try 214 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: to murder somebody, I certainly would expect there should be 215 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: some punishment that comes along with that, certainly more than 216 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: five months in a juvenile probation camp. So now you've 217 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: signed the petition. I have signed the petition. I'm gathering 218 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: signatures myself. I would encourage everybody to sign and return 219 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: the petition as soon as they can. It's not guaranteeing 220 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: he's going to get recalled, but it makes it an 221 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: option if you're undecided, just go ahead and do it anyway. Yeah, 222 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: And the other awful thing about this story, and if 223 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: you followed this part. He tried to drag the Ellie 224 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department into this, saying that they also signed 225 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: off on this case, and they had to retract that 226 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: because that turned out to be a lie. Yeah, his 227 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: whole office is so sloppy. They don't know what they're doing, 228 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: and they're just constantly scrambling to cover up these stories 229 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: because I'm one of many stories. I mean, we've got 230 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: those two l Monty police officers that were just murdered. 231 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: I read about some other murder that just happened. And 232 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: these are people. You know, during COVID, the non violent 233 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: criminals were released from jail, so we were just left 234 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: with the violent ones. And he has reduced their sentences 235 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: by over eighty one thousand years. And so these people 236 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: are getting out early. They're violent, and they're you know, 237 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: they're trying to kill you or they are killing you. Yeah, 238 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: And he tells people the science is behind what he's 239 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: doing that you shorten the prison term, the better a 240 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: person's going to be coming out of prison. That's really wacky, 241 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: but that's that's what he tries to sell. And it's 242 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: been debunked by a bunch of different publications. So I 243 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: don't know why he's sticking to the same scripts, probably 244 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: because he doesn't know what to do. I mean, he's 245 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: never prosecuted a case in his life. He was the 246 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: chief of police in two different cities, and then he 247 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: was promoted to district attorney in San Francisco, and he's 248 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: never prosecuted anything. Yeah. And after reckon that place, he 249 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: came down here. The police up there just were glad 250 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: to see him go, even though they had a DA 251 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: that was worse that just got called. It says, you know, 252 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: I lived in San Francisco. It's a horrible. So it says, 253 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: now you may you may move out of you may 254 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: move out of La County. Is that true? Maybe he's 255 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: following me. Yes, yes, yes, the plan is to leave. 256 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: It's just it's just gotten to it's really sad. I 257 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: love La and and and hopefully it'll it'll take a 258 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: turn for the better. But having a child here and 259 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: not feeling safe walking down the street, not feeling safe 260 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: going to a park, it's just not It's not something 261 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: that I'm willing to tolerate. Yeah. And with all the 262 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: problems in Venice with the homeless and such, you had 263 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: a sixteen year old come down from Palmdale, almost run you, 264 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: run you over and kill you. That's really weird. Yeah, 265 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm certain he was dealing drugs. The guy that 266 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: rented the cars is a known drug dealer that actually 267 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: knows the kid. But he reported the car still and 268 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: so that's the story that they're sticking to. Did you 269 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: find out anything about this kid's parents if they're are 270 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: any or um? So, I don't know anything about the mother. 271 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: The father is a is a felon. He has you know, 272 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: felony drug charges, retribution of drugs, burglary tools with intent 273 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: to burglar eyes. He's you know, he's he's nothing. Um, 274 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: he's he's a bad apple, all right. Rachel from the Tree, 275 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: I so much appreciate you coming on and telling the story. 276 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. We thank you for having me. 277 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: Everybody should sign the recall petition. Please recall da George 278 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: Gascon dot com. That is Rachel from Venice talking about 279 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: her ordeal in August of last year where a sixteen 280 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: year old almost killed her and her eight month old 281 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: son and a stroller when he tried to run them 282 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: down in an alley at Venice and very soft treatment 283 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: from Gascon's office. We'll be talking more Gascon when we 284 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: come back. John Lewin's coming back on the show. He 285 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: is a deputy district attorney who's been very outspoken about 286 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: the need to remove Gascon and he wants to talk 287 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: more about this Victor Bibiano case. Victor Bibiano was convicted 288 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: for a two thousand and nine double murder and a 289 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: gang story. But because he was under age at the time, well, 290 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: he goes through the system and he gets a chance 291 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: at release, and that's what happened. He got a long 292 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: prison sentence, but thanks to George Gascone, he's free and 293 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: now he's accused of killing a homeless man. More coming 294 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: up Johnny Ken Show. On Kid, we want you to 295 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: know about the moistline. Leave your message. We're gonna play 296 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: calls tomorrow during the five o'clock hour. Some people look 297 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: forward to this, some people dread this anyway. You can 298 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: use the iHeartRadio app. The little microphone feature is the 299 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: way to talk back to the show, or you can 300 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: call the toll free number at one eight seven seven 301 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: Moist eighty six one eight seven seven six six four 302 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: seven eighty eight six. As I was talking about yesterday, 303 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: with Kathy Kadi, who was a former deputy District attorney 304 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: who now spends a lot of her time helping out 305 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: victims and their families who have been affected by criminal justice. 306 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: Under La County District Attorney George Gascone, Gascon's responsible for 307 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: at least the murders of four people, the two al 308 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: Monty Police officers and off duty LAPD officer and the 309 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: latest is a homeless man by the name of Mario 310 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: Rodriguez who was murdered back in April April sixteenth in 311 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: Pequoima and the person that they believed murdered him benefited 312 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: once again from Gascon and his directives. This is a 313 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: man by the name of Victor Bibiano. He was part 314 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: of a gang that committed a two thousand and nine 315 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: double murder. He got a very long prison sentence, but 316 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: Prop fifty seven came along and because he was underage 317 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: at the time, under eighteen, he got another chance through 318 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: the criminal justice system to either go through because he 319 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: was tried as an adult and got that long prison sentence. 320 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: But now they're saying, let's take another look at it 321 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: and we transfer it back to juvenile court, or do 322 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: we transfer it back to adult court. Well, it turns 323 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: out the Gascon people did nothing. It stayed in as 324 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: a juvenile matter, and the Bibiano eventually got his release 325 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: and that had him on the streets to kill who 326 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: they are saying a Mario Rodriguez. In April, I'm gonna 327 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: bring on John Lewin, another Deputy District Attorney in Gascon's office, 328 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: who was just on our show recently giving long reasons 329 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: why Gascons should be removed as the DA and he 330 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: wanted to come back on to talk about this Victor 331 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: Bibiano case. Welcome back to the show, John, Thank you 332 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: so much for having me ken, I really appreciate it. 333 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: Sure explain to people, yeah, how this would have worked 334 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: with Bibiano. He was a minor at the time of 335 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: the crime. But Prop fifty seven gave another shot right. Well, 336 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: so here's what happened. So at the time and this 337 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: was a horrific gang murder. He and another gang member 338 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: who has also been released. He's also walking the streets 339 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: right now, and an adult decided to go do a 340 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: payback for some gang stuff that they were very upset about. 341 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: One of their fellow gang members had been killed, and 342 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: they go into a building where there are all kinds 343 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: of children present, and they basically execute three people. Now, 344 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: one of the persons did not die. He was shot 345 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: five times, so he survived it. One of the people 346 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: that they killed, a young man, was not even a 347 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:19,239 Speaker 1: gang member. Viviano was a shooter. That's not disputed. He 348 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: was a shooter. The other guy was a shooter. Both 349 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: you and those were shooters. So what happens is they 350 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: get prosecuted, they get convicted, and they are sent away, 351 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: I believe, for life without the possibility of parole. And 352 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: then Prop fifty seven comes along, and it's important ken 353 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: George Gascon likes to talk about, well, there are these 354 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: laws that come up, and I just I'm a victim 355 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: of the law. George Gascon wrote Prop forty seven, which 356 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: basically legalized drugs and legalized theft, and he strongly supported 357 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: Prop fifty seven. So the idea that somehow he's a 358 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: victim to Sacramento, his fingerprints are all over it. So 359 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: the Prop fifty seven requires is that individuals who were 360 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: convicted originally, if their case was directly filed an adult court. 361 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: So when this happened back in I think two thousand 362 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: and nine, if I recall when the murders occurred and 363 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: Bibi was seventeen, I believe right, yes, correct. Back at 364 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: that time we were able to do what was called 365 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: direct filing, so the prosecution could file the case directly 366 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: an adult court. Prior to a change in the law 367 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: that had happened when I was in juvenile thirty years ago, 368 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: we had to hold what was called a fitness hearing 369 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: in juvenile. Then the courts would determine whether somebody would 370 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: be brought into the adult quart or not. So in 371 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: this case it was directly filed. Prop. Fifty seven says 372 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: that if a case was directly filed, it has to 373 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: now be returned to juvenile and there has to be 374 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: what's called a transfer hearing. Now, you have to understand 375 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: a couple of things about transfer hearings in about this 376 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: case in general. First of all, it was not a 377 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: situation where George Gascone had the authority, or had the ability, 378 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: or had the right to determine whether a transfer hearing 379 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: was going to be held. The Court of Appeal ordered 380 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: that a transfer hearing be held. That was ordered, so 381 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: George Gascon, as a district attorney, has to comply with 382 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: that courts directive. Now here's the problem for George Gascon 383 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: with a transfer hearing, and I have to go back 384 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: to the original directive that he sent out, and we 385 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: got to go back to December seventh of twenty twenty one. 386 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: December seventh, I think FDR said a day that would 387 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: live in infamy. He wasn't talking about December seventh, twenty 388 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: twenty one and George Gascon, but had he been around, 389 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: it would certainly be applicable seventh by the way of 390 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: December seventh of twenty twenty seven, twenty I'm sorry of 391 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty Thanks Ken who says you're not watching what's 392 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: going on there. Uh, I apologize for that data mistake. 393 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: So in any event, what happened is is George Gascone 394 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: puts out a directive. That directive is extremely clear, There's 395 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. It says, quote, the Office 396 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: will immediately end the practice of sending youth to the 397 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: adult court system. All pending motions to transfer youth to 398 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: adult court jurisdiction shall be withdrawn at the soonest available 399 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: court day, including agreeing to defense counsel's request to advance. 400 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: So basically, he gave an order with no exceptions that 401 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: said every case, every single case of a transfer hearing 402 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: where it returned had to be you had to agree 403 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: to juvenile. Now here's the problem when you look at 404 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: what the factors are that they consider, and there are 405 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: five factors, but I'm going to just talk about the 406 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: most important one for a transfer hearing. The most important 407 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: one for a transfer hearing is that you have to 408 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: look at, in essence, whether the individual at this time, 409 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: not how old they were at the time of the offense, 410 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: but now is this person amenable to being in the 411 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: juvenile system? What does that really mean? Well, you have 412 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: at the time, mister Ribiano is close to thirty years old. Now, yeah, 413 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: he was almost thirty when this happened. That's not amenable, 414 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: right the transfer? Well, note he's not amenable, he's ineligible. 415 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: He can't fit in a juvenile system. All right, John, 416 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: can you hold on? I just have to take a break. 417 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: I would like to continue this. Can you can you 418 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: hang on from this segment? Absolutely as long as you 419 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: need me? All right? So, we are very grateful that 420 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: there are deputy das in the Ela County DA's office 421 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: who are willing to talk about what their boss is 422 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: doing to the criminal justice system. We're talking right now 423 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: to John Lewin and he's explaining this terrible case, which 424 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: looks like it resolved, ended up with another murder. It's 425 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: a man by the name of Victor Bibiana who was 426 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: part of a gang murder double murder back in two 427 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: thousand and nine. They also injured another guy and got 428 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: a long prison sentence, but thanks to Prop forty seven, 429 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: got another chance and it goes back to Gascone and 430 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: he doesn't really contested, but that's what John's explaining. Because 431 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: he was seventeen at the time of these murders, it 432 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: was apparently a move that could to keep him back 433 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: in the juvenile system court system, and that ended up 434 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: with his release. And he's explaining why Gascone and his 435 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: directives ended up in this way. We got more coming 436 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: up on the John and Ken Show and KFI. We're 437 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: talking to John Lewin. He's a Deputy DA in the 438 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: office of the La County District Attorney. His boss is 439 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: George Gascone, but like many, he favors the recall. That's right, 440 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: over ninety percent of those deputy das who were pulled 441 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: favor the removal from office of their very boss because 442 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: of the havoc he has reeked on the criminal justice 443 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: system in La County. The latest case involves a really 444 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: evil person named Victor Bibiano, who is part of a 445 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: double gang murder back in two thousand and nine. But 446 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: because he was seventeen at the time and Prop fifty 447 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: seven comes along, he has another shot. But what John 448 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: lewis explaining, and he was eventually treated again as a 449 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: juvenile even though now he's like thirty years old, he 450 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: got a long prison sentence, but Prop fifty seven gave 451 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: him a shot. He eventually is released and he is 452 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: now accused of killing a homeless man an encampment in Pacoima. 453 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: And what John's explaining is, and I like the way 454 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: you put this, John, I guarantee you in every other 455 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: case outside of La County, individuals are quickly determined to 456 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: be unamenable for the juvenile system and quickly returned to 457 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: adult prison to serve their sentences, which is what you 458 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: feel should have been done with Bibiano. But that because 459 00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: Gascon has a policy that he's done with the juvenile system, 460 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: he treated this guy like he was still seventeen. Is 461 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: kind of how I hear it right. Well, it's actually 462 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: worse than that, Ken, because unlike the Almonte case, where 463 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: he simply dismissed a strike which turned out to be illegal, 464 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: but which you could say at the time, I didn't 465 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: really know, he had a memo from our appellate division. 466 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: He has this memo saying that he was not allowed 467 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: to do what he did. They deliberately did not share 468 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: that with the trial lawyers, had them going into court 469 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: and misrepresenting what the law was, knowing the entire time 470 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: that they were ordered to carry out this hearing, and 471 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: they did it because they understood that if there was 472 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: a transfer hearing that he would end up going to 473 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: adult court, because at his age there was no chance 474 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: for him to be amenable to the juvenile system. So 475 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: what we've got is not just bad policy or not 476 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: even like he can say, even though it's true as 477 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: the Almante case, well, when I struck the strike, I 478 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: didn't really know I was breaking the law his own 479 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: appellate department, And there are emails backing this up. Right now, 480 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: I would challenge the district attorney to release the emails 481 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: on this case that demonstrate the corruption that took place 482 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: by the way his Alissa Blair, she's up over her 483 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: head involved in this scandal her not just her fingerprints, 484 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: there's DNA, there's fingerprints, there's video. She's all over this thing. 485 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: This was her doing. And the district attorney gets up 486 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: yesterday and he says, and it's so disingenuous, it's a 487 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: straight lie. What he ends up saying is is that 488 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: his office could not seek a transfer to adult court 489 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: unless it could prove Viviano would not have benefited from 490 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: juvenile rehabilitative services at the time he committed his offenses. 491 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: That is untrue. Obviously, Ken, you're not looking at well. 492 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: Is he amenable at age seventeen when he committed the crime, 493 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: He's coming back at almost age thirty. That's a lie. 494 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: He knows it's a lie. The email chain will demonstrate 495 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: it's a lie. And this is another example of where 496 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: George Gascon has decided, I don't care what the law is, 497 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't care what I'm supposed to do, what my 498 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 1: responsibilities are. I don't care that i'm a prosecutor. I'm 499 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: going to bring in people who are in favor of 500 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: abolishing prisons, who say horrible things about police officers, that's 501 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: a Lissa Blair, and that's Tiffany Black Now, and I'm 502 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: going to and I'm going to use Diana Turan, another 503 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: public defender who came in, and we're going to go 504 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: back and undo all kinds of sentences of violent offenders. 505 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: We don't even know the extent of damage that's being 506 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: done because it's all happening in the dark. Is there 507 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: a judge that oversees this. Is there a judge that 508 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: could possibly stop this from happening knowing everything that you know, Well, 509 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: there are judges who have stood up and said, hey, listen, 510 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: this is not legal and I am not going to 511 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: grant these motions. There are other judges that simply early 512 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: on didn't know, granted a lot of these motions. And 513 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: that's what they're counting on. That is what their goal is. 514 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: And I want to just add something else. It's very 515 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: clear when he gets up there and he starts talking 516 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: about either with respect to the Almante case, well, we 517 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: looked at the facts of the case or the juvenile case. 518 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: We looked at the facts of the case. That's a lie. 519 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: These were blanket policies the juvenile DA who was involved. 520 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: They didn't look at any specific facts of this case. 521 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: It was he's a juvenile and we are not going 522 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: to allow him be transferred to adult court. With respect 523 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: to the Almante case, it's a strike and we're striking 524 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: all strikes on every single case. So when he gets 525 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: up there and he comes up with this, it's a 526 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: straight lie. It's not true. It's not a misunderstanding. It's 527 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: a lie. All right, John, we got to go, but 528 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you. Your passion and your knowledge of 529 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: these cases is remarkable. Well, thank you for coming on again, 530 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: no problem, thank you for having me. All right. That's 531 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: Deputy DA John Lewin. On another outrage from the office 532 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: of La County District Attorney George Gascon recall DA George 533 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: gascone dot com. 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