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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Draft Week. It's finally here. It feels like we've been

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Speaker 1: waiting for half a year. Good lord, It's One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Maddie glab In for Steve. Steve will be

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Speaker 1: back tomorrow and uh before we dive headlong into all

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Speaker 1: of the stuff that's flying around now in the midst

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Speaker 1: of lying season, Mattie, did you did you managed to

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Speaker 1: find a way to enjoy yourself this weekend because we're

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Speaker 1: going to be neck deep in this stuff all week.

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Speaker 2: I know we're going to be living here this weekend,

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Speaker 2: so I had to find a way to enjoy this

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Speaker 2: past weekend. I was in Pittsburgh for the weekend, so

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Speaker 2: it was fun to get away, get out of Buffalo

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Speaker 2: for a couple of days. Not the best weather, I know.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the best weather in Buffalo either, but it's

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Speaker 2: all good. My husband had his twenty five year anniversary

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Speaker 2: formal for his fraternity. He hasn't been he hasn't been

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Speaker 2: graduated for twenty five years, but it was the twenty

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Speaker 2: five year anniversary of the fraternity.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, Yeah, Okay?

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Speaker 2: It was a good times on the trip got to

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Speaker 2: pretend like we were in college for a few days.

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Speaker 2: I feel so old walking on campuses now. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: I have kids in college, so imagine how old I feel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's cool. The weather was horrible this weekend. Fortunately we

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Speaker 1: got out Saturday night just for some dinner with some

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Speaker 1: college friends. Ironically enough college college friends, so it's always

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Speaker 1: good to catch up with, you know, people you spent

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Speaker 1: some of your more adventurous years with old stories and

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Speaker 1: all of that jazz.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: But like yesterday, I'm like, all right, let's try to

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Speaker 1: get some yard work done because that's starting up now,

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Speaker 1: and it's just like, I'm not standing out in this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I could see my breath at six o'clock putting the

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Speaker 1: garbage cans out, yester. Last night, I was just like,

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Speaker 1: come on, where are we here? We gotta we need

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Speaker 1: a break, and it doesn't look like it's coming anytime

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Speaker 1: soon because I don't see us at least done the

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Speaker 1: long range four kids getting out of the fifties, Like

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Speaker 1: I was like, can we get sixty? Like I are

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Speaker 1: we asking for too much? What the heck's going on?

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Speaker 2: Which selfish me looked at the weather this week, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, hmm, it's not gonna be warm this weekend.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. We'll be working the horn again. Anyway

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Speaker 2: we're working.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be inside, so it's not like we'll

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Speaker 1: be missing anything. But whosh, everybody else that's trying to

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Speaker 1: get out in what we are supposed to refer to

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Speaker 1: as spring, best of luck, Best of luck. All right,

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Speaker 1: it is draft week and there is a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff flying around. I would say the biggest thing that

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Speaker 1: has has it had its tires pumped more than anything else,

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Speaker 1: is this perceived slide of CJ. Stroud because he reportedly

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Speaker 1: didn't turn in a good result on the S two

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Speaker 1: cognition test, which we've talked about on this show. He

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Speaker 1: actually had the one of the co inventors of that

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Speaker 1: test on the show a little while back, and apparently

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Speaker 1: he did not do well on the cognition test. But

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Speaker 1: I think this is one of those things that, because

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Speaker 1: it's something that can be measured and it wasn't good,

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Speaker 1: that the media in general latches onto it and it

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Speaker 1: eyes of the scouting community. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's got more traction than it should.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like something like this, not saying

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Speaker 2: something like the testing or the Wonderlick or an S

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Speaker 2: hours leading up until the NFL Draft. But you always

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Speaker 2: hear some talk and some chatter about a couple of

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Speaker 2: prospects in the days leading up to the NFL Draft

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Speaker 2: we found out that now this player is going to

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Speaker 2: drop several spots when he should have gone at this place.

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Speaker 2: was waiting for something like this, not for CG. Stroud,

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Speaker 2: That is it true that he had a low score?

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Speaker 2: Is where did this information come from? I know it

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Speaker 1: I would tend to think if it's not true, his

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Speaker 1: But even if it is legit, I think we have

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Speaker 1: to remember that, at least as far as personnel evaluators

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Speaker 1: at quarterback it might be a little bit more important

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Speaker 1: because that test is based largely on a player's ability

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Speaker 1: I think there's a body of work component here that

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Speaker 1: often carries the day for personnel evaluators in this league.

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Speaker 1: And while it may ding a guy a little bit,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's enough to completely see CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud plummet. So what happens now he goes six and

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm looking at this

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Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, And then there's the conspiracy theorist

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Speaker 1: Exactly his value to drop because they actually like him

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Speaker 1: into your lap. If you're picking you know, five, six

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Speaker 2: And if you're looking at that number two spot and

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Speaker 2: where the Texans sit at number two, how much is

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Speaker 2: it CJ. Stroud's problem of this cognition test or test

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Speaker 2: would just rather go defense with that number two pick,

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Speaker 2: because of who their head coaches and because they really

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Speaker 2: need to add to their defense and of the model

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Speaker 2: of hey, the forty nine ers have done it in

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Speaker 2: years past, bulk up that defense and worry about a

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Speaker 2: later in the first round where they're sitting at number twelve.

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Speaker 1: Right? And the other thing too, is if Houston in

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Speaker 1: now pick three represents the opportunity to get the second

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Speaker 1: Everybody's expecting Houston to do it at two or twelve.

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Speaker 1: made spot for Anthony Richardson, a guy that can benefit

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Speaker 2: and she was saying, early on quarterback really makes sense

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Speaker 2: so I think quarterback makes sense for them.

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Speaker 1: the opportunity presents itself. But I think that's something to

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Speaker 1: just keep an eye on as Night one of the

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Speaker 1: Draft unfolds on Thursday. We also have mock drafts flying

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Speaker 1: furiously here in Draft week. At the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: hour right now, Maddie is going to fill us in

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Speaker 1: on the latest installment of Mock Draft nine point zero.

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Speaker 1: But there are others that have happened just this week

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Speaker 1: today that are worth noting. This one surprised me a

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Speaker 1: little bit, but NBC Sports Peter King has the Bills

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Speaker 1: taking North Carolina wide receiver Josh Downs in the first

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Speaker 1: round of the mock draft at twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Not in the second.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have Downs as a second round prospect,

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Speaker 1: primarily because a lot of people see him as a

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Speaker 1: slot only. He's slightly under five to nine and is

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Speaker 1: But even with that in mind, though, Maddie, that could

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Speaker 1: The Packers have reignited their talks regarding a potential trade

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Speaker 1: to get out or get in. And I yeah, nine.

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Speaker 1: I think it was nine trades in Round one last year.

437
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Speaker 1: I think there's a chance to match that this year

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Speaker 1: or even exceed it.

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Speaker 2: I'm working on an article that's going to come out

440
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Speaker 2: tomorrow and it's the top it was supposed to be

441
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Speaker 2: the top three positions the Bill should target in Night

442
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Speaker 2: one in the NFL Draft for their pick at number

443
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Speaker 2: twenty seven. And so I'm interviewing all these analysts and

444
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Speaker 2: trying to see if, okay, we can if they can

445
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Speaker 2: agree upon three positions that the Bill should go after.

446
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Speaker 2: No way, no way, no way. We couldn't agree upon three,

447
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: they could agree upon two, and the two were wide

448
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: receiver and linebacker. And then from there it was a hodgepodge.

449
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: It was whatever whatever you want. It was defensive tackle,

450
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: it was it was cornerback or defensive back. And so

451
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: that articles coming out tomorrow. But I had to write

452
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Speaker 2: about like five positions instead of three because because so

453
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Speaker 2: many people have different grades on these prospects and you

454
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Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen with how the board

455
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Speaker 2: is gonna fall that late in the draft, and everybody's

456
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Speaker 2: been all over the place with the mock drafts. I

457
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: mean last year we had about twenty four different players

458
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Speaker 2: get mocked to the Bills in the first round. This year,

459
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Speaker 2: I think we have over forty five different names that

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Speaker 2: we've seen in the first roundsh.

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Speaker 1: So much for narrowing it down. Speaking of the draft,

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Speaker 1: we have an interesting poll for you today. What draft

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Speaker 1: scenario would prompt you to trade down as Bills GM

464
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Speaker 1: A top three wide receivers are off the board, b

465
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Speaker 1: top four offensive tackles are off the board, or c

466
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Speaker 1: top two playmaking tight ends are off the board. And

467
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Speaker 1: running away with this thing in the early going is

468
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Speaker 1: if the top three wideouts are off the board. I

469
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Speaker 1: anticipated that to be a popular choice, but knowing that

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Speaker 1: offense is such a focus for much of Bills Mafia,

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Speaker 1: we figured we put all offensive positions in the pot

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Speaker 1: here and see what you thought. And there is a

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Speaker 1: very good chance that the top three wide receivers are

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Speaker 1: off the board. There's a very good chance that the

475
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Speaker 1: top four offensive tackles are also off the board. It

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Speaker 1: might be A and B by the time you get

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Speaker 1: to the bills at twenty seven, which is like holy Macroli,

478
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Speaker 1: like what are we doing? That would take us to

479
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Speaker 1: ninety five percent of our voting population there on the

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Speaker 1: poll so far everybody, which is an indication that if

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Speaker 1: that happens, every Bills fan is going to be like,

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Speaker 1: get out of there, get out on the floor. So

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Speaker 1: you let us know what you think at aight oh

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Speaker 1: three oh five point fifty local number to get on

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Speaker 1: board one eight A eighty five fifty two five fifty

486
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Speaker 1: the toll free number. What draft scenario would prompt you

487
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Speaker 1: to trade down? And an explanation behind it would be great.

488
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Speaker 1: Maybe you feel good about the depth of receiver beyond

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Speaker 1: round one or one of those other positions, but you

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Speaker 1: let us know it. Aightto three oh five fifty got

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Speaker 1: an open line for you there, and also you can

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Speaker 1: hit us up on the tweet sheet after you vote

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Speaker 1: you want to send a comment in do that at

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Speaker 1: one Bills Live. Let's go to the phones and leading

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Speaker 1: us off today Judy and Buffalo. What do you got

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Speaker 1: for us, Judy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just saw that there are two receivers on

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Speaker 3: the list from Tennessee, so I would like to know

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Speaker 3: what their stats are, and I would like to know

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Speaker 3: who their quarterback was. I think it's sort of intriguing

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Speaker 3: that there are two receivers from the same team, and

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Speaker 3: you know, hey, if we can get them in a

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Speaker 3: late round or something there, maybe there's some quality there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good question, Judy. I don't think you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: either of those guys in a late round per se.

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Speaker 1: But she's presumably talking about Jalen Hyatt and Cedric Tillman,

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Speaker 1: who are the two top receivers in this class from Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: And you'll see if you're watching on MSG they're on

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Speaker 1: our board as overall fifty four and fifty six. I

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Speaker 1: think Hyatt may actually go higher than that. It's probably

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Speaker 1: around the range for Tillman, which would put him in

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Speaker 1: the round two range of the Bills. And I can

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Speaker 1: pull up their stats here in just a second, because

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Speaker 1: I have my guide open right now.

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Speaker 2: Cedric Tillman is more of your big body, wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the guys that sticks out because of

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Speaker 2: his size and length. Again, we've talked about this class

518
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Speaker 2: not being a class that has a lot of size.

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Speaker 2: Cedric Tillman does offer you that size and strength if

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Speaker 2: that's where you want to go. A lot of people

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Speaker 2: have said in the second round, and if that's what

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Speaker 2: you're looking for, this is a good player to go after.

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Speaker 2: He had good tape at Tennessee. He was a good

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Speaker 2: wide receiver. Jalen Hyatt is your type of player who

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Speaker 2: he went off in this last year at Tennessee. He

526
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Speaker 2: completely went off against Alabama, had several touchdowns in that game.

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Speaker 2: But he's more of a more of a wide receiver

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Speaker 2: at least in college thus far, that's only ran a

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Speaker 2: few routes. So his question is do you want him

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Speaker 2: to be that type of wide receiver too, who's a

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Speaker 2: really good wide receiver too in college? Or do you

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Speaker 2: want him to expand his game? Has he been can

533
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Speaker 2: he do that? He didn't do that with Hendon Hooker

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Speaker 2: in the offense that Tennessee ran.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, their quarterback was Hendon Hooker, which was another question

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Speaker 1: Judy had. He's in this draft pool as well, coming

537
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Speaker 1: off the acl kN the injury probably won't be able

538
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Speaker 1: to practice and that kind of stuff at the start

539
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Speaker 1: of the season, but figures to be good to go

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Speaker 1: by November if the team that drafts him needs him

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Speaker 1: on the field for some reason. But Jalen Hyatt, as

542
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: Maddy said, did explode last year. Sixty seven catches, twelve

543
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven yards, fifteen touchdowns, and had five drops.

544
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Speaker 1: On the year, he was a unanimous All American Balletnikoff

545
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Speaker 1: Award first team All SEC led the team in receiving.

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Speaker 1: The knock on Jalen Hyatt is that while he is

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Speaker 1: six feet tall, he is one hundred and seventy six pounds.

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Speaker 1: He is precariously light to play the NFL game, and

549
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Speaker 1: so the general thought is, well, how is he against

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Speaker 1: press coverage knowing he's going to be playing more physical corners,

551
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Speaker 1: And that's the question mark, along with his lack of

552
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Speaker 1: an expansive route tree. He ran a lot of posts, corners,

553
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Speaker 1: go routes, not a lot of yeah, not a ton

554
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Speaker 1: of stuff over the middle, not a ton of intermediate routes.

555
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: He was a field stretcher for them. He'd occasionally run

556
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Speaker 1: some jets sweep stuff or some underneath swing passes. As

557
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: our MSG viewers just saw there. But the vast majority

558
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Speaker 1: of his production came down the field. So you know

559
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Speaker 1: he can stretch the field, but can he do all

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Speaker 1: the other stuff. It's not that he can't, it's just

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Speaker 1: that there isn't enough evidence on film that he do

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Speaker 1: it consistently.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to put a knock on a guy like

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Speaker 2: that because that's, like you said, that's the offense that

565
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: Tennessee ran Hendon Hooker would air it out. Jalen Hyatt

566
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Speaker 2: was the guy to catch the ball and get into

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Speaker 2: the end zone. That's what worked for Tennessee last year,

568
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: that air aid type offense. But you haven't seen it

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Speaker 2: yet on tape for Jalen Hyatt. He could be really

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Speaker 2: good at that once he gets offered those opportunities. But

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Speaker 2: do you want to take a chance at him. If

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Speaker 2: you're sitting there at the end of Night one and

573
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Speaker 2: you really like him, is it worth spending that first

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Speaker 2: round pick or maybe a top of the second round

575
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Speaker 2: pick on somebody like that? Because he was really good

576
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Speaker 2: at what he did.

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Speaker 1: He had four touchdowns against Alabama that don't make anybody

578
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Speaker 1: sit up and take notice. Cedric Tillman quickly before we

579
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Speaker 1: go to break, he had a big junior season in

580
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, had a thousand yards receiving on sixty

581
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Speaker 1: four catches with twelve touchdowns, and then last year he

582
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Speaker 1: had left ankle injury missed four games, so he only

583
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Speaker 1: played in six games for Tennessee. Last year, Sota fell

584
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Speaker 1: off precipitously, only had three touchdowns four hundred and seventeen

585
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: yards receiving in about half the number of receptions. But

586
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: as Maddie said, he is a much bigger, sturdier framed

587
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: receiver who isn't going to run nearly as fast as Hiatt,

588
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: who runs in the four fours. He runs like a

589
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: four to five to four. But he's got athleticism, thirty

590
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: seven inch vertical, and a lot of people believe he's

591
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: got more of an NFL body for a receiver, so

592
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: physically he can hold up better. He is really good

593
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Speaker 1: in jump ball situations, so those are attractive qualities for him.

594
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Speaker 1: But because he doesn't have the elite speed, time, speed,

595
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: all that stuff, he's probably a Round two prospect. Late

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00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: round not gonna happen, though, Judy.

597
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Speaker 2: He's six three two thirteen.

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00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: That's right, so you know pro and ten inch hands, yes,

599
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: that never hurts for a receiver. No, we have to

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Speaker 1: take a break here. When we come back, more of

601
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Speaker 1: your phone calls and mock Draft nine point zero. We'll

602
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Speaker 1: give you the latest names that are popular for the

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Speaker 1: Bill pick at twenty seven. When we return here on

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Speaker 1: One Bills Live, presented by Colida Health, it's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: All right, back here we are on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Addy glad with you on a Monday of

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Speaker 1: draft week, and we're gonna get right to the phones

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Speaker 1: here because we're asking you today what draft scenario would

609
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Speaker 1: prompt you to trade down. Choices are there for you

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Speaker 1: on the poll at One Bill's Live. It involves top

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Speaker 1: three ride receivers being gone, or maybe the top four

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00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: offensive tackles being gone, or the top two playmaking tight

613
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Speaker 1: ends off the board. You let us know what you think.

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Speaker 1: At eighth, three oh five fifty, leading us off is

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Speaker 1: Bruce in Buffalo. What do you got for us? Bruce?

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how you doing good? I'm looking at if

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Speaker 4: there's nobody there at the wide receiver spot or the tackles.

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Speaker 4: There's two teams that'd be a perfect trade spot for

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Speaker 4: us if we can get them to trade that'd be Seattle.

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Speaker 4: And if the Packers pull off that trade with the

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Speaker 4: Jets and get those two two's, that would be them,

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Speaker 4: because they both have ten and twelve draft picks. And

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Speaker 4: I'm looking if we trade with Seattle, we get picked

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Speaker 4: thirty seven at pick eighty three, which the bath comes

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Speaker 4: out perfect. And if we trade with Green Bay at

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Speaker 4: pick forty five, seventy eight and one forty nine, and

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Speaker 4: with those picks, yeah, I'd go in the second round.

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Speaker 4: I'd take the top linebacker at forty five. I'd take

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Speaker 4: either Matt berger On or Cody Mack if they're there

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Speaker 4: at fifty nine. At seventy eight, I'd take Rashid Rice

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Speaker 4: or Nate dell In. At ninety one, I'd take take Bigsby.

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Speaker 4: To see what these guys think about that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Bruce, that is a comprehensive plan. I like it.

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00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: I like Bergern as an option. Yeah, And I think

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00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: we've talked about this, Maddie and the times that you've

636
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Speaker 1: been in here filling in for Steve. I mean, if

637
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: they do move that around one and trade back, I

638
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: think linebacker becomes a very, very very real possibility, because

639
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: now you're in that range where some of the best

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00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: linebackers on the board are expected to come off.

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00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: From the people that I've talked to who cover this

642
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: NFL draft and cover the NFL and have covered college football,

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00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: the consensus is the Bills at the time that they're

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00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: on the clock at number twenty seven, they should have

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00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: the pick at the best linebacker in this class. Now,

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Speaker 2: does that mean they should pick a linebacker at number

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Speaker 2: twenty seven. I've rarely seen the linebackers going in the

648
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: first round. Yes, we have seen Jack Campbell and Drew

649
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: Sanders come off the board and the first round. Trenton

650
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: Simpson also here and there a little bit in the

651
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Speaker 2: mock drafts. In the mock drafts that we've tracked, mel

652
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Speaker 2: kiper Junior had Trenton Simpson going off the board at

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Speaker 2: number twenty seven. But a lot of people also within

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Speaker 2: that sentence of saying, yes, the best linebacker should be

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Speaker 2: available at that point, does it make sense to go

656
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Speaker 2: linebacker there because of the value, because of where other

657
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Speaker 2: teams are picking above and below them. It seems like

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Speaker 2: also in these mock drafts that have second and third

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Speaker 2: rounds included some of those linebacker names that have been

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Speaker 2: connected to the Bills as targets or prospects that they

661
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Speaker 2: should go after are also going to be there when

662
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Speaker 2: the Bills are on the clock in the second round.

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Speaker 2: You might not have way down at nine. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: I've seen some of them at fifty nine. Maybe not

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Speaker 2: your Jack Campbell or you're Drew Sanders, but a Trenton

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Speaker 2: Simpson could be available there.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive into mock Draft nine point zero a little

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Speaker 1: bit more and we'll talk about the linebacker option at

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Speaker 1: twenty seven in the second hour of our show when

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Speaker 1: we have Dane Brugler from the Athletic on with us

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Speaker 1: because he mocked Drew Sanders to the Bills in his

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Speaker 1: mock draft seven rounder. Good lord, talk about a marathon.

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Speaker 1: But we'll catch up with Dan and hour number two

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Speaker 1: Mock Draft nine point Oh, Maddie, what is the headline

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Speaker 1: from nine point zero? Would you say if you had

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Speaker 1: to pick a headline for what changed? What do you

679
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Speaker 1: think you would come come down on. Is it a

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Speaker 1: specific position, is it a specific name that came up more?

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Speaker 1: What's your headline?

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Speaker 2: I think the point on an overall change that we're

683
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Speaker 2: starting to see in all the mock drafts that we've tracked,

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Speaker 2: which is now the number is up to one fifty two.

685
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Speaker 2: We're starting to see other position groups catch up to

686
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Speaker 2: running back, which is reflective of the Bijon Robinson being

687
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: mocked to the Bills so much in January and February,

688
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: and you're not really seeing that as much anymore. And

689
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: because of that, you're seeing linebackers and you're seeing wide

690
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: receivers be mocked to the Bills quite a bit more

691
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Speaker 2: at that number twenty seven spot. So overall, offensive line

692
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Speaker 2: is still the favorite position, although in the last last

693
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Speaker 2: couple weeks, offensive line has not been a popular position.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to the Bills in particular, kind of fallen off

695
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Speaker 1: it big time.

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00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: Talking about Osirius Torrance anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I see. Now that's another guy that

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Speaker 1: I think is probably he's round two now because his

699
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Speaker 1: name is guard only not really tackled, can offer center,

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Speaker 1: and I think he might slide into round two after

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Speaker 1: a lot of people were convinced this guy is going in.

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Speaker 2: The twenty So offensive line is still the most popular

703
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Speaker 2: position as of late. Not really, I would say as

704
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Speaker 2: of late, wide receiver has been way more of a

705
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Speaker 2: popular position. So that's the second favorite position for the

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Speaker 2: Bills at number twenty seven. Then we go running back

707
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Speaker 2: and linebacker, defensive back and defensive line too. Favorite names.

708
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: Jean Robinson still up there, so is o Cyrus Torrance,

709
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Speaker 2: but Jordan Addison and Drew Sanders have now kind of

710
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Speaker 2: hopped gone above. Brian Branch was a popular name for

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Speaker 2: the Bills again early on in those mock drafts that

712
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Speaker 2: we were tracking in January in February, but Jordan Addison

713
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Speaker 2: has been mocked to the Bills quite a bit in

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Speaker 2: the last few weeks. I would have to say that's

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Speaker 2: the favorite wide receiver name that we've seen in the

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Speaker 2: last two weeks is Jordan Addison.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because I was gonna ask you, like, who would

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Speaker 1: you have at the top of the leader board for

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Speaker 1: this latest round, if you know, in terms you said

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Speaker 1: Addison's one. Is there another guy that's been pretty popular

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Speaker 1: over this past week?

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Speaker 2: Jordan Addison has been popular, and Drew Sanders has also

723
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Speaker 2: been a popular name over the last few weeks. In

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Speaker 2: this Mock Draft Watch nine point zero, we tracked fourteen

725
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Speaker 2: mock drafts. Of those fourteen, five wide receivers or wide

726
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: receiver was mocked to the Bills five times. Linebacker mocked

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Speaker 2: to the Bills four times at number twenty seven, two

728
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Speaker 2: defensive linemen, one running back, one offensive lineman in one corner.

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Speaker 2: The favorite name of those fourteen, Jordan Addison, was mocked

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Speaker 2: to the Bills three times of those fourteen. Drew Sanders

731
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Speaker 2: mocked to the Bills twice in those fourteen mock drafts

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Speaker 2: that we tracked.

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Speaker 1: So the thing about Addison that I like is he

734
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Speaker 1: kind of I'm not saying he's Stefan Diggs, but his

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Speaker 1: route running style is similar to Diggs, which was attractive

736
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Speaker 1: to me. That was just what I saw when I

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Speaker 1: watched him. I think he can threaten at all three

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Speaker 1: levels of the field. The problem here, he's one hundred

739
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Speaker 1: and seventy three pounds. Yeah, and that worries some teams

740
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Speaker 1: because you're you're concerned about what durability number one, because

741
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Speaker 1: we know the NFL game is far more physical and

742
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Speaker 1: ability to get off press when you're facing a corner

743
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Speaker 1: that's stronger than you and bigger than you. So I

744
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Speaker 1: think those are the issues that some NFL personnel evaluators

745
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Speaker 1: struggle with in terms of ranking him high. But I

746
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Speaker 1: still think despite all that, the production, especially you know,

747
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Speaker 1: his last year at pit.

748
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Speaker 2: Was like off the chart, over fifteen hundred receiving yards,

749
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Speaker 2: had seventeen receiving touchdowns. He went off in that final

750
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Speaker 2: season with Pit. He plays bigger on tape. When you

751
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Speaker 2: watch him on tape, you don't think this guy is

752
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy three pounds. I think that's one

753
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Speaker 2: thing that he has going to his advantage. He can

754
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Speaker 2: play inside and outside. You know, he offers the versatility.

755
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Speaker 2: He's got one of the best. He's one of the

756
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Speaker 2: best route runners in this draft class of wide receivers

757
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Speaker 2: for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the only other thing I would say about

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Speaker 1: him is he has very strong hands. He's like one

760
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: of those guys that plucks the ball out of the air.

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Speaker 1: He's not a guy that uses his pads to cat.

762
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Speaker 1: He doesn't body catch. He's a hand He's a hand plucker,

763
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Speaker 1: which is good. And as you said, while time wise,

764
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Speaker 1: he's only about four or five four four nine, I

765
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Speaker 1: think he ran at the combine. He does have the

766
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Speaker 1: short area of quickness, which some of our MSG viewers

767
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Speaker 1: just saw because of his ability to get in and

768
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Speaker 1: out of his cuts. And I think the other thing

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Speaker 1: that's attractive about him is his number of drops have

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Speaker 1: gone down each of the last two seasons. He had

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Speaker 1: two on eighty one targets last year. That's pretty good.

772
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's the physical stature that's the biggest concern.

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Speaker 1: Five to eleven one seventy three. I mean that's right

774
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Speaker 1: around in what I.

775
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Speaker 2: Weigh, like, get out there, Brown, let's go.

776
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Speaker 1: I don't have Jordan Addison's quick, so I will not

777
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Speaker 1: be doing that. But it's like he's like a Marvin

778
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: Harrison body type difference was Marvin Harrison ran like a

779
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Speaker 1: four to three five, so you know he's about he

780
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Speaker 1: runs a four to four to nine, so it's a

781
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Speaker 1: little bit different. We got to take a break here,

782
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Speaker 1: but when we come back, more of your phone call

783
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Speaker 1: Steven Syracuse, stay where you are. You'll be first after

784
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Speaker 1: the break to lead us off. Open line for you

785
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Speaker 1: at eight oh three oh five point fifty one eighty

786
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Speaker 1: eight five fifty two, five point fifty What draft scenario

787
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Speaker 1: would prompt you, as a Bill's GM to trade down

788
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: from twenty seven the polls up at one Bill's Live

789
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: check it out. We're back in a second, y right

790
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Speaker 1: back to the phones as we are asking today what

791
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Speaker 1: scenario in round one of the NFL Draft would prompt you,

792
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Speaker 1: as Bill's GM, to trade back into the second round

793
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Speaker 1: out of the first round from pick twenty seven. We

794
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Speaker 1: go to the phones, it's Steve and Syracuse. What do

795
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Speaker 1: you got for a Steve? You're on one Bill's Live.

796
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Speaker 5: Okay, Chris, this scenario, well, I would like to see

797
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Speaker 5: the Bills maybe trades around two and three back in

798
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Speaker 5: the first round. Oh, pick a maybe in twenty early

799
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Speaker 5: twenties and keep their twenty seventh thick as well. Get

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Speaker 5: two picks in the first round, Get Denzel Washington, and

801
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Speaker 5: then you get Jack Campbell. Got two of the best

802
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 5: players in their positions in a draft, and at Denzel Washington,

803
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 5: you could get him instead of a wide receiver. He's

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Speaker 5: just like a wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Steve, and that's and that's a very

806
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: aggressive move. I give you a lot of credit for

807
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: I think you're talking about Darnel Washington there, right, not Denzil.

808
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm sorry, Jesus did there's any receiver of thirty's big?

809
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 5: You can black and then Campbell? What's wrong with Campbell?

810
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 5: What isn't necessary to pick a line Baker at the

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Speaker 5: bottom of a round. It makes like being in a

812
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Speaker 5: second round anyway, and he has got the instinct of

813
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 5: the line Baker, and he's very vague. He's the captain

814
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 5: and the defense of my guy. Middle Linebaker's your camptain

815
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Speaker 5: of the defense, right all right?

816
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Speaker 1: So I like, I like that you're looking at this

817
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: from another perspective, Steve. Of course, that would make for

818
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: a for a very very quiet Friday.

819
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Speaker 5: Six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that is very aggressive. I don't know. I

821
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Speaker 1: don't know if I got the stomach for that. I mean,

822
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: I guess if you hit on two first rounders like

823
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: it did back in twenty eighteen with Josh Allen and

824
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds, you'd be all for it. I don't know

825
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: that you got to go up and take Campbell at

826
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Speaker 1: twenty seven. Maddy was outlining earlier. You know, Campbell's kind

827
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Speaker 1: of in that top half of the second round range.

828
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Speaker 1: So the Bills may have to move up from fifty

829
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Speaker 1: nine if they wanted someone like Campbell, or trade out

830
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Speaker 1: at twenty seven and slide back into the second round.

831
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Speaker 1: Take them there, And the analytics have always shown that

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Speaker 1: it's more often than not better to trade back than

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Speaker 1: it is to trade up, just because of what it

834
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: gives you, which is more swings in the draft to

835
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Speaker 1: hit on players. Speaking of players, there are three in

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Speaker 1: mock Draft nine point zero that came up, Maddie, So

837
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: let's run through those in terms of for the Bills

838
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: names that became more popular in this latest round.

839
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Speaker 2: So there are three names who we haven't talked about much,

840
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: so let's try to get through all three of them.

841
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: Defensive tackle Colijah Kansi out of Pittsburgh, out of pit

842
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: has been a name that's popped up a few times.

843
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: Is he going to be there for the Bills at

844
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: number twenty seven? I've kind of seen him going all

845
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: over the place in the first round. He's six to one,

846
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: two eighty one, similar size to at Oliver here. He

847
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: was a first team All American honors in twenty twenty two.

848
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: Also earned acc Defensive Player of the Year in twenty

849
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Speaker 2: twenty two. He played in thirty seven games over three years.

850
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: Didn't play his first year, played in one game, but

851
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: didn't have any stats. In his career, he has ninety

852
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: two total tackles, thirty four and a half TFLs, sixteen sacks,

853
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: three passes defense in a force fumble. Last year he

854
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: had fourteen and a half TFLs in seven and a

855
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: half sacks. He ranked the highest in terms of athleticism

856
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: score out of all defensive tackles at the NFL Combine.

857
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: He ranked second overall as a player per Next Gen

858
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: Stats at the NFL Combine. He is fast, ran a

859
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: four six seven forty as a defensive time tackle. When

860
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: you turn on the tape on him, He's got strong

861
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: arms to get through the offensive line. He's got a

862
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: few go to moves that he uses to his advantage.

863
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 2: He's explosive on film, has fast feet, a quick first

864
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: step into action. Once he gets into the pocket, Good

865
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Speaker 2: night quarterback, He's gonna knock the quarterback down. He has

866
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: the ability to read and react. I thought that kind

867
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: of stood out to me on film when I watched

868
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: him a little bit. But he is undersized at six

869
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 2: one eight one. Do you want somebody like that next

870
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: to a player like at Oliver if they choose to

871
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: keep at Oliver on this team.

872
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting because I've seen him comped to

873
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: Ed Oliver, and I mean we've also heard the name

874
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald, undersized defensive tackle, also played at Pitt.

875
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: So he's been camped to him as well. I don't

876
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: think Elijah Cantsy goes as early as Ed Oliver did

877
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: at nine. And you wonder about the Bills taking a

878
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: player that's kind of in a similar mold to that

879
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: of Ed Oliver when I think we can all agree

880
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: that Oliver probably hasn't lived up to the billing of

881
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: a top ten draft choice. So do the Bills take

882
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: another swing at the same type of a player. I

883
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: don't know, I know, I don't know if they do,

884
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: I agree, all right, So who's the next name?

885
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: Miles Murphy and Ed Rusher out of Clemson. Now, this

886
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 2: is a player who's also gone all over the place

887
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: in the first round more more times than not. In

888
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: the in the first half of the first round, I

889
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: really haven't seen him fall as far as number twenty seven,

890
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: but he did fall to number twenty seven in Peter

891
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: Schreger's mock draft. Peter Schreger talks to people around the NFL.

892
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: He talks to scouts and teams, so I thought this

893
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: was very interesting that he would be available at number

894
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: twenty seven. He's kind of dropped lately in the mock

895
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: drafts that I've seen. He's sixty five two sixty eight

896
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: a junior, he was a former top five national recruit

897
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: coming out of high school, First team All ACC honors

898
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. He was a freshman All American

899
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. He played in thirty eight games started

900
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: in twenty seven over his three years in his care

901
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: one hundred nineteen total tackles, thirty seven TFLs, seventeen and

902
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 2: a half sacks, six forced fumbles. He had at least

903
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: ten TFLs in all three seasons at Clemson. When you

904
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: turn on the tape on a guy like him, he's

905
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: hard to hold back because of his size. He's got long,

906
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: rangy arms, he can escape blocks with his strength. He

907
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: has the NFL size that you can't find everywhere. He

908
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: needs to learn how to do more. You can't always

909
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 2: rely on your size in the NFL because you're playing

910
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: with a lot of people who can match that. So's

911
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: that's the big thing on him. He's got like his

912
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: go to move, which is using his arms in that

913
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: bull rush, but you got to do more than that

914
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: in the NFL.

915
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: And what's crazy about that is at his pro day

916
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: he ran a four or five to three, which is

917
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: a blistering number for a man who's two hundred and

918
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: seventy one pounds, but that doesn't show up on tape anywhere.

919
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: He's a power rusher, but he trade, but he runs

920
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 1: a four or five three, Like, those two things don't

921
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: compute for me. So maybe you could say, if you

922
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: really like him, oh, just unrefined, he's undeveloped, he's a

923
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: multiple piece of clay. He's got a high ceiling. Let's

924
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: take him here somewhere in round one, or you're saying, hmm,

925
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: is there a hole in his game here that we

926
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: can't fix. So this is an example of one of

927
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: those players where there's gonna be a lot of mixed opinions.

928
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: Some people are gonna love this kid and love him

929
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: even more after he ran a four or five to three,

930
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: and there are gonna be others that are like, I

931
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: don't know. So he's just one of the many examples

932
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: in this draft class where there's gonna be a lot

933
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: of variants of opinion on just where he belongs and

934
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: where he should come off the board. We have to

935
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: take a break here because we're up against the top

936
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: of the hour. Our number two from the athletic it

937
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: is NFL draft analyst Dane Brugler. We last talked to

938
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: him at the Combine. We talked to him again here

939
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: in hour number two with his seven round mock and

940
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: some other stuff concerning the Bills. Next here on One

941
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: Bill's Live presented by Colida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

942
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live presented by Callida Health. All right,

943
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: here we are our number two on a Monday of

944
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: draft week. Chris Brown, Maddy lab with you, and please

945
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: to be joined now by the NFL draft writer extraordinaire

946
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: from the athletic Dane Brewler, who if you haven't gotten

947
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: your hands on it yet, the three hundred and eight

948
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: page tome known as The Beast. Dane pretty much works

949
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: on this for three hundred and sixty days out of

950
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: the year and it's got I think it's over four

951
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: hundred and one scouting reports. I think was the total

952
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: this year, eighteen hundred and ninety three player rankings. And

953
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: if you want to know how fine Dane cuts it,

954
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: like if you need to know that Darnell Washington was

955
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: the youngest of eight kids, it's in there. So Dane,

956
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. We'll ask you how people can

957
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: get their hands on the beast in just a second.

958
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: But you just finished recently your seven round mock. I

959
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 1: don't envy you for having to do that, but maybe

960
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: just layout for me the most eye opening thing that

961
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: you took from your own first round after you put

962
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: it together.

963
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is a big challenge, but it's been very

964
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 6: beneficial for me because it really makes you lock in

965
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 6: on each one of these teams and focus on, Okay,

966
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 6: these are their needs, these are their tendencies, this is

967
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 6: what they like to do in the first round, or

968
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 6: maybe they stay away from this position in the first round,

969
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 6: and so it it makes you focus in on general

970
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 6: managers and their drafting styles, coaches, the impact that they have,

971
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 6: and just the evolution of the draft. And every year

972
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 6: it changes based off of how we see certain positions.

973
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 6: And you know, this draft has its own identity, and

974
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 6: it's going to start with the fascination of the top

975
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 6: ten with the quarterbacks. Where do those four quarterbacks come

976
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 6: off the board? Do we see some trade action that's

977
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 6: going to really suck up all the oxygen in the

978
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 6: room on Draft night on Thursday when we talk about

979
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 6: those quarterbacks in the top ten. And then then it

980
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 6: becomes Jalen Carter Watch, Where's Jalen Carter go? Then it

981
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 6: becomes Bijon Robinson Watch, where does the top running back

982
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 6: this year? He could go as early as eight to

983
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 6: the Falcons. He could slip to the twenties. And I

984
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 6: don't think either of those scenarios would be all that surprising.

985
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 6: So I think there's a lot of different storylines in

986
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 6: Round one that we'll be paying attention to. And you know,

987
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 6: in my mock draft, it was interesting that I didn't

988
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 6: have any receivers in the first nineteen picks. Last year

989
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 6: we had six in the top twenty five. This is

990
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 6: a different receiver class. It's especially relative to the past

991
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 6: two years. Two years ago we were spoiled with Jamar

992
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 6: Chase and Jalen Wattle and DeVante Smith those guys, and

993
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 6: then last year with the six in the top twenty five.

994
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 6: This year it's a little bit different with the types

995
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 6: of receivers and how many are actually worthy of going

996
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 6: in that first round. Maybe a few could be on

997
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 6: the board there at twenty eight, maybe someone the Bills

998
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 6: be looking at. So really interesting group of skill position

999
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 6: players in this.

1000
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: Year's first you have the Bills choosing Drew Sanders with

1001
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: their first round pick at number twenty seven. With the

1002
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: linebacker position, that's an obvious need for this team, which

1003
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: remade Edmunds leaving in free agency tohead to the Chicago Bears.

1004
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: But I've heard conflicting opinions of is the value there

1005
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: for a linebacker in the first round. They trade into

1006
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: the second round and draft Drew Sanders or Jack Campbell,

1007
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 2: Why did you have them staying in the first round

1008
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 2: to make this pick.

1009
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 6: I think that we're gonna once we get past the

1010
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 6: top twenty picks, even though really the top fifteen picks

1011
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 6: pick twenty, I don't think it's going to be all

1012
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 6: that different than the grade you give who's drafted at

1013
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 6: pick fifty five, you know. So I think it's going

1014
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 6: to be one of those drafts where we see some

1015
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 6: surprises in the late first round where maybe we thought

1016
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 6: of this guy as a second or third rounder. But

1017
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 6: you know, teams have their grades, their their draft boards

1018
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 6: don't look like any of ours. You know, most draft

1019
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 6: boards are one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty names.

1020
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 6: So it might work out where a team's next best

1021
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 6: player at a position that they want to target. You

1022
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 6: know could be there, you know, and a guy like

1023
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 6: Drew Sanders. You want a guy who's always around the football,

1024
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 6: that's Drew Sanders. You know, since over the last twenty

1025
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 6: five years, only two players in college football in a

1026
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 6: single season had at least ninety five tackles, twelve tackles

1027
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 6: for lost, eight sacks, three forced fumbles, a fumble recovery,

1028
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 6: and an interception Khalil Max the other one. Drew Sanders

1029
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 6: is the most recent to do that. So a guy

1030
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 6: that's always around the ball, former five star guy. He

1031
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 6: has the size, he's six y four, almost two hundred

1032
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 6: and forty pounds. He has the speed, he has the

1033
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 6: athleticism to cover. He can give you that pass rush potential.

1034
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 6: So a lot of you think about Edmunds coming out,

1035
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 6: you know, as a prospect, and all the reasons that

1036
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 6: Bill's loved him. You could see why, you know, Buffalo

1037
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 6: might look at Drew Sanders and see the value that

1038
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 6: he brings to the to the defense, both as an

1039
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 6: off ball player but also someone that could put pressure

1040
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 6: on the quarterback. And I think maybe the best compliment

1041
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 6: I got was from a buddy who texted me and

1042
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 6: he had no idea he actually coached Drew Sanders in

1043
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 6: middle school until he read The Beast and the background

1044
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 6: info and Drew Sanders growing up was on a youth

1045
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 6: team that he coached, and he had no idea until

1046
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 6: he read The Beast. So that was definitely one of

1047
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 6: the better compliments I got this year.

1048
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the thing that I wanted to ask you

1049
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: because you touched it on and already there, Dane is

1050
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: Drew Sanders a little little bit of an outlier from

1051
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: this perspective because he is a middle linebacker candidate first

1052
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: and foremost. But who's to say that there might not

1053
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: be a handful of teams that see him as a

1054
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: two position player middle linebacker on early downs and then

1055
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: when you're in third and twelve, put him up at

1056
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: end and get a pass coverage linebacker on the field

1057
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: to play his spot at middle linebacker, and off you go.

1058
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: I would think the Bills could do something like that.

1059
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: Put Sanders up at end, kick Rousseau inside, you got

1060
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: von Miller on the other side, and bring last year's

1061
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: third round pick Terrel Bernard on the field to play

1062
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: third and twelve middle linebacker.

1063
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 6: More so than ever, we are seeing coordinators be outside

1064
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 6: the box thinkers and realize, Okay, you know what, let's

1065
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 6: just let's figure out how to best use these talents

1066
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 6: and get them on the field and put them in

1067
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 6: opportune positions to go make plays. And that's exactly you

1068
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 6: know with a guy like Drew Sanders, he gives you

1069
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 6: versatility where he can play off the ball, he can't

1070
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 6: give you that. If you want a guy that can

1071
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 6: put his hand on the ground and sub and give

1072
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 6: you that pass rush potential, he gives you that in

1073
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 6: high school as a senior. In high school, Drew Sanders

1074
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 6: was a defensive end on defense and a quarterback really

1075
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 6: a wildcat quarterback on offense. He was recruited as an athlete.

1076
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 6: He went to Alabama as a five star and they

1077
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 6: used him as part of that pass rush rotation. He

1078
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 6: transferred to Arkansas just to make sure he got on

1079
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 6: the field this past year and he moved to more

1080
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 6: of a middle lineback, more of a mic spot, and

1081
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 6: he was all over the place, but he did his

1082
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 6: best work downhill where you see that speed, you see

1083
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 6: that ability. I think that there's going to be a

1084
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 6: lot of teams picking in that late first round that

1085
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 6: are looking at Drew Sanders. And saying we'd love to

1086
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 6: have a talent like this on our defense. And so

1087
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 6: Buffalo also in that mix where it makes a lot

1088
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 6: of sense with what we know they like on that

1089
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 6: side of the ball. Then also a potential need area

1090
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 6: as well.

1091
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: I want to discuss your next two picks for the

1092
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: Bills as well. Fifty nine you have them choosing Cedric Tillman,

1093
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: the wide receiver out of Tennessee. And then number ninety

1094
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: one in the third round you have them choosing Luke Schoonmaker,

1095
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: the tight end out of Michigan.

1096
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: Uh.

1097
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: Cedric Tillman, we talked about him a little bit already

1098
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 2: in today's show. He's he's the type of wide receiver

1099
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: that stands out amongst this class because of his size,

1100
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: because of his NFL size that he gives you six three,

1101
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: two thirteen. And then Luke Schoonmaker is one of those

1102
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: tight ends. This is an incredible tight end class and

1103
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: you can get good value and tight end into the

1104
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: third round. A lot of people only say, you know,

1105
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: we have Dawson Knox, but in a tight end class

1106
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: like this, do you want to miss out on somebody

1107
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 2: who could give you some good playing time in the

1108
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: third round? That maybe later on in his NFL career.

1109
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: If you know, if you're choosing between a Luke Schoonmaker

1110
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: and a Dawson Knox, why not have both guys on

1111
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: the offense and you can run more twelve personnel and

1112
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: you can give your offense a little bit more versatility,

1113
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: a little bit tougher to cover people in twelve personnel

1114
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: depending on who you have out there. So why did

1115
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: you like Cedric Tillman and Luke scoon Maker for the Bills?

1116
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you're going to look at who are the

1117
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 6: best true X receivers in this draft, Cedric Tillman's towards

1118
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 6: the top of that list. There's not a lot of

1119
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 6: true xes, a lot of really intriguing slot guys, some

1120
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 6: really intriguing z's. But if you want that X, that

1121
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 6: traditional line them outside, let him win with physicality, whether

1122
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 6: it's a slant or a go. Tilman can do that

1123
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 6: for you. So, I mean, you mentioned he six three

1124
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 6: and a half two hundred amost two hundred fifteen pounds,

1125
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 6: and you go back to the twenty twenty one tape

1126
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 6: where he was fully healthy and he was dominant for

1127
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 6: that Tennessee offense this past year, dealt with that tightrope

1128
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 6: ankle surgery, so it wasn't as obvious on this year's tape,

1129
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 6: but you still see a big, sturdy athlete, a guy

1130
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 6: that can win vertically. He has that type of speed

1131
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 6: to win over the top and then his catch point skills,

1132
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 6: the ability to go up in out out muscle corners,

1133
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 6: he can win those contested situations, has the place during

1134
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 6: he has the ability to be more than just a

1135
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 6: possession threat. So a guy like that on the outside,

1136
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 6: you add that to the mix, you know, and I

1137
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 6: think that he makes your offense better from day one.

1138
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 6: And then I mean you made a lot of great

1139
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 6: points of these tight ends. It's a tight end group

1140
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 6: that's easy to love because the depth at every round

1141
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 6: of the draft. And really, if you're going to pass

1142
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 6: on a tight end, you know because I think Michael

1143
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 6: Meyer from Notre Dame Dalton kincaid, these guys are awfully

1144
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 6: appealing in the first round. But if you're going to

1145
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 6: pass on one in the first round, one of the

1146
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 6: reasons you do so is because you feel really good

1147
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 6: about the options you'll have in the second round, third round,

1148
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 6: even into Day three, I think you feel good about

1149
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 6: the depth and Luke Schoonmaker is one of those guys

1150
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 6: in round three that makes a lot of sense. He's

1151
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 6: a he's a combo tight end. So you want to

1152
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 6: line them up in line, he can do it. You

1153
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 6: want him the block, he can do it. But he's

1154
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 6: also an underrated athlete going out and making plays. We

1155
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 6: saw it this last year for that Michigan offense, especially

1156
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 6: in the red zone. He has for a bigger player,

1157
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 6: he does have some short area quickness so he can

1158
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 6: uncover from It doesn't matter if a linebacker, e've safety,

1159
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 6: even a corner, he can uncover because he has the

1160
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 6: foot quickness to do it strong at the catchpoint. So

1161
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 6: in the third round, really like that value. And you

1162
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 6: mentioned it whether you want to, you know, just give

1163
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 6: Dawson knock some plays off, or you want to run

1164
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 6: that twelve personnel. He's the type of guy that's not

1165
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 6: a scheme specific where Okay, defenses are going to understand

1166
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 6: if Luke Scoomaker's out there, a lot of things could

1167
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 6: be coming at him. It's not going to be oh,

1168
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 6: he's only out there to block or only out there

1169
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 6: to catch and run routes. He can do a lot

1170
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 6: of those things. And so it immediately helps your tight

1171
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 6: end depth.

1172
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: Getting back to your mock draft, Dane, I think there

1173
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: are a couple of takeaways that I had. Most notably

1174
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: which I think would be good news for the Bills

1175
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: if it happens, is you had five edge rushers in

1176
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: the first twelve picks, and you had Nolan Smith off

1177
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: the board before Jalen Carter. So y had Nolan Smith

1178
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: is the first Georgia prospect off the board, which I

1179
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: don't know if many people would predict that. It wouldn't

1180
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: shock me if it happens, But maybe just walk me

1181
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: through your logic for five edge rushers in the first

1182
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: dozen selections.

1183
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 6: You're gonna draft premium positions in the top half a

1184
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 6: round one, and edge rusher certainly qualifies as that. This

1185
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 6: is a draft where I think that the non quarterbacks,

1186
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 6: there's not a ton of blue Chippers. You know, you

1187
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 6: love Will Anderson from Alabama. Everybody loves him. He's gonna

1188
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 6: go high after that. You know, Tyree Wilson from Texas

1189
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 6: Tech certainly has his fans. Jalen Carter, you can make

1190
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 6: the arguments one of the more talented players, if not

1191
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 6: the most talented player in the draft. Obviously, the off

1192
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 6: field throws a wrench in everything. He's not gonna be

1193
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 6: for everybody. But after that, we're gonna see a run

1194
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 6: on corners. We're gonna see, you know, a guy like

1195
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 6: Christian Gonzalez off the board quickly, Devin Witherspoon the Illinois corner.

1196
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 6: Those guys are gonna go pretty quick tackles the offensive lineman,

1197
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 6: whether it's Skeronsky for Northwestern or Paris Johnson, Ohio State.

1198
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 6: But we're also gonna see these pass rushers go. And

1199
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 6: in this scenario, I did have Jalen Carter falling to

1200
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 6: nine and the Bears. I think he's gonna go somewhere

1201
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 6: between five and nine. That's what everyone, you know, talk

1202
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 6: to teams, they say five to nine Seahawks, Lions, Raiders, Falcons, Bears.

1203
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 6: Somewhere in those five picks is where Jalen Carter's gotta

1204
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 6: end up.

1205
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: And then but in this.

1206
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 6: Scenario had him going nine to the Bears and Nolan Smith.

1207
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 6: I had him going eight to the Falcons. Who Falcons

1208
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 6: just need more juice on that side of the ball.

1209
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 6: And with Nolan Smith running he's a four to three

1210
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 6: athlete at that size, didn't have a ton of production

1211
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 6: at Georgia, but he played an off ball role where

1212
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 6: he's asked to read and you know, more react than

1213
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 6: just pin his ears back and go. So I think

1214
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 6: you give him more pass rush situations. You use him,

1215
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 6: you know, let him walk around, let him put him

1216
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 6: over the a gaps, rushing from different angles. An athlete

1217
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 6: like that who plays the run really well. Top character,

1218
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 6: I think he makes a lot of sense for several

1219
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 6: of those teams picking in the top half of round

1220
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 6: one that Lucas van Nests from Iowa is a guy

1221
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 6: that's ascending, you feel good about where he's going to

1222
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 6: be two to three years power explosiveness, doesn't really know

1223
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 6: how to use it in Unison quite yet, but you're

1224
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 6: betting on the ability and what he's going to bring

1225
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 6: to you. And then also Miles Murphy in there in

1226
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 6: that mix out of Clemson, who has a ton of ability,

1227
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 6: but another guy who's still figuring things out. So it's

1228
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 6: it's a pass rush group that we're going to see

1229
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 6: these guys go quickly, but it's also one of the

1230
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 6: deeper positions this year, so late first round, early second round.

1231
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 6: You know, guys like Big Augulary from Kansas State and

1232
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 6: a Duque Uzama. We're going to see a lot of

1233
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 6: these edge rushers come off the board in the top

1234
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 6: fifty picks.

1235
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: One more question for me about your mock draft that

1236
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: you had. You have the Texans choosing c. J. Stroud

1237
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 2: with that number two pick. Do you believe that they

1238
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: could still go quarterback? Do you think it's a smoke

1239
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 2: screw that they're starting to talk or we're starting to

1240
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 2: hear about defensive players being linked to that number two spot.

1241
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 2: What's your take there?

1242
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's how quickly these mocks become outdated. Right as

1243
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 6: soon as I did it, you know, it started to

1244
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 6: hear from you know, my my sources around the league

1245
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 6: and saying, you know what, we think that this is real.

1246
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 6: The Texans, what I was told was the Houston staff

1247
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 6: offensive staff. They're just there's not a consensus that there

1248
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 6: is a quarterback worth taking it two.

1249
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 5: Uh.

1250
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 6: If Bryce Jong does end up going number one, and

1251
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 6: if that's the case, if you're Nick Cassario, the general manager,

1252
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 6: can you really force the issue and say, hey, we're

1253
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 6: drafting a quarterback. You know this is an offensive or

1254
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 6: just the coaching staff in general in Houston that they're

1255
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 6: all first year coaches, or you know with the Dmiko Ryans,

1256
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 6: Bobby Slowik at offensive coordinator. I mean, these guys are

1257
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 6: not in a hurry to force the issue. So they

1258
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 6: might look at the roster and say, you know what

1259
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 6: I mean, we don't love we like these quarterbacks, we

1260
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 6: don't love any of them. Let's get a Will Anderson

1261
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 6: who could be a corner stone for our build moving forward.

1262
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 6: And you know what, we still have two first round

1263
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 6: picks next year. We have the twelfth pick this year.

1264
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 6: You know, we don't We have a lot of options here,

1265
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 6: so we don't have to force it if we don't

1266
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 6: love our options. And I think ultimately I think that's

1267
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 6: what's going to happen. You know, you ever know, ownership

1268
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 6: could come in and say, listen, guys, we're taking a quarterback.

1269
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 6: Figure it out. But at the end of the day,

1270
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 6: I think it's more likely we see a non quarterback,

1271
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 6: whether it's Will Anderson, Tyre Wilson go at number two,

1272
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 6: and then the intrigue is at three with the Cardinals

1273
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 6: who would love to get out of there. Do we

1274
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 6: see a trade up for one of these quarterbacks? Could

1275
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 6: it be as simple as the Colts moving up one

1276
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 6: spot to make sure they get their guy, whoever that

1277
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 6: may be. Do we see the Raiders make a move.

1278
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 6: Do we see a team outside the top ten make

1279
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 6: a big splash? Could it be the Titans picking there

1280
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 6: at eleven? You know, Tampa Bay?

1281
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 4: You never know.

1282
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 6: So you know, there's a lot of intrigue with that

1283
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 6: number three pick and who the trade partners could be

1284
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 6: to go get a quarterback.

1285
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: Then the last one for me, Dan Hendon Hooker is

1286
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: kind of the wild card quarterback. Does he go in

1287
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: the first round? Wait until day two to hear his

1288
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: name called. I haven't heard much around this, but I'm

1289
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Speaker 1: just curious your thought on it. Just a wild theory.

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Speaker 1: Haven't heard much about the Ravens at twenty two or

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Speaker 1: the Vikings at twenty three, But those are two teams

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Speaker 1: that could be looking for a new quarterback in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, and knowing Hooker's hurt and he's got rehab

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Speaker 1: in front of him. Any thought of those two teams

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Speaker 1: at twenty two and twenty three giving consideration to Hendon Hooker.

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Speaker 6: Obviously two different situations with what the Ravens are facing

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Speaker 6: and what the Vikings are looking at the Vikings are

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Speaker 6: in a really interesting spot because you have a general

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Speaker 6: manager and head coach that are in their second year. Now,

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Speaker 6: what does their twenty twenty four roster look like. Is

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Speaker 6: Kirk Cousins still a top to quarterback deub chart? I mean,

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Speaker 6: they still made the playoffs this year with Kirk Cousins

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01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 6: as the guy, But do they really see him as

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Speaker 6: someone that can give him to that next step or

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Speaker 6: do they feel like they need to go get him

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Speaker 6: through the draft. Hendon Hooker, you have to talk about

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Speaker 6: timeline with him because he is coming off the ACL.

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Speaker 6: He is coming from an offense that you know, we

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Speaker 6: have not seen a quarterback come from that that Art

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Speaker 6: Briles tree of offense. You know, we've never seen a

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Speaker 6: quarterback really make that transition and play at a high

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Speaker 6: level in the NFL. So there's there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: questions and ifs. So you better be convinced with Hendon

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Speaker 6: Hooker if you're gonna draft him in the first round.

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Speaker 6: I think that most have second round grades on him.

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Speaker 6: But if he does go in the first it'll be

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Speaker 6: because you want that fifth year option, because like you said,

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Speaker 6: you're almost taking a red shirt year with him. That

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01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 6: first year so in order to get that year back,

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Speaker 6: you draft him in the first round, get that extra year,

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Speaker 6: and then you move forward in twenty twenty four with him,

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Speaker 6: you know, competing to be to be the starter, which

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Speaker 6: not every team they're on board with. But all it

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Speaker 6: takes is want beauties in the eye of the beholder.

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Speaker 6: And it's never more true than with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan, you put the work in, so let

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Speaker 1: everybody know. How can they get the beast the draft

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Speaker 1: guy for the twenty twenty three draft here, just.

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Speaker 6: Need us description to the athletic that's it. You signed

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Speaker 6: up for a month, you sign up for a year.

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Speaker 6: You get it, and I promise you it will be

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Speaker 6: a resource guide for you all three days of the draft,

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Speaker 6: no other draft publication as you know, testing information from

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Speaker 6: US nineteen hundred players, a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 6: good background stuff in there. So you know, if you

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Speaker 6: like the draft at all, I promise you you will

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Speaker 6: not be disappointed with with the draft guide. And just

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01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,799
Speaker 6: you know, you go on my Twitter at DP Brugler.

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01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 6: I have the link pinned at the top. Best way

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Speaker 6: to get it. It's it's pretty simple and I think

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Speaker 6: it's a pretty good value.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan, thanks very much, as always, enjoy the draft.

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Speaker 1: We'll make catch up with you afterwards. See if you

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01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: could give us a little review on some things, especially

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01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: how the bills did. We'll see how things turn out now.

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Speaker 6: I can't wait. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan Brugler joining us here, NFL draft writer

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Speaker 1: for the Athletic. Three hundred and eight pages, and I

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01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: am telling you it's not Remember when you were in

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01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: school and you and your teacher told you you have

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01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: to have a book report and it's got to be

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01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: at least three pages, and you're in there double spacing and.

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01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 2: You know, like increasing the size of periods and common.

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01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: Indenting every paragraph. I don't know if there is a

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01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: draft guide out there that crams more words on a

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Speaker 1: page than Dane's draft guide. It is as comprehensive as

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Speaker 1: you will find, and the background information is just start.

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01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: You heard him say it. He said one of his friends,

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01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, in the coaching community youth coaching, realized he

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01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: had Drew Sanders in middle school based on what he

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Speaker 1: read in Dane's draft guide. He had no idea he

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Speaker 1: had a MESSI player in middle school, which is just

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Speaker 1: it's crazy, absolutely nuts. I think the thing in his

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Speaker 1: mock draft, though, Maddie, that has me thinking, like, I

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01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: don't know if they're going to get one of the

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Speaker 1: top three receivers in round one. He had the wide

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Speaker 1: receiver run start at pick twenty with the Seahawks, Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Smith and Jig, but then he had Flowers at twenty

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Speaker 1: two to Baltimore Addison to the Giants at twenty five.

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Speaker 1: I worry that they're just gonna miss that top three

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Speaker 1: receiver window.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I have heard from talking to people

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01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 2: and reading things, is with the Giants and the Cowboys

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Speaker 2: sitting right in front of you at twenty five and

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Speaker 2: twenty six, those are two obvious teams that could be

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Speaker 2: drafting a wide receiver. It would make sense for both

1377
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Speaker 2: of those teams. So by the time the Bills, if

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Speaker 2: that happens for the Giants and the Cowboys, by the

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Speaker 2: time the Bills are on the clock at number twenty seven,

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Speaker 2: your pick of the litter first round wide receivers, it

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Speaker 2: may be gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And my only hope is because I know the

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Speaker 1: Giants do need a corner pretty badly, but it's a

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Speaker 1: deeper corner class than it is at receiver class this year,

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Speaker 1: and that might prompt the Giants to go wide receiver early,

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Speaker 1: corner a little bit later, and then you just got

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Speaker 1: to hope that maybe Dallas, after losing Dalton show Bolts

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01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: in free agency, may draft a tight end instead of

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Speaker 1: a receiver. That's the hope. Let's get back to the

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01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: phones though, to find out what trade down scenario you

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01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: would consider? What would have to happen in round one

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Speaker 1: for you to get out around one at pick twenty

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Speaker 1: seven with the Bills, we go back to the phones.

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Speaker 1: We go to Joe and Williamsville. We got for his Joe.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Christian Maddie, how are you as far as trading

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 7: down goes. I think I would trade down if the

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 7: Bills they're rated first round players, you know, the players

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Speaker 7: that they have rated for first round were gone, and

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Speaker 7: you know then I would trade down if I were them.

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Speaker 7: My question is, the Bills are picking twenty seventh, and

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Speaker 7: I know Miami does not have a first round draft

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Speaker 7: choice this year for some rule they broke so in

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Speaker 7: the second roundfting in the fifty ninth position, and my

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01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 7: math tells me we should be drafting fifty five. If

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Speaker 7: you could explain that, And then the other thing is

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Speaker 7: there was an article about a month ago on bills

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Speaker 7: dot com that said Connor McGovern was the worst free

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Speaker 7: agent signing because of his downfield blocking. He's not a

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Speaker 7: good run blocker. I think they rated him, and that

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Speaker 7: who they I don't remember, but they rated him as

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Speaker 7: thirty three, but they said he's a good blocking guard.

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Speaker 7: They rated him as far as blocking goes, at seventy

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Speaker 7: three seventy four. Anyway, if you could answer those two questions,

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Speaker 7: I'm going to hang up and listen to you. You know,

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Speaker 7: hear what you have to say.

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Speaker 1: All right, job, thanks for the call, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: That grade sounds like a PFF grade.

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Speaker 1: It does, and I would I would highly doubt's all

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's dot com. I will say this with the

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Speaker 1: first part of your question. The Bills are drafting fifty ninth,

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Speaker 1: and while there is one fewer pick in round one,

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01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: so everybody moves up a spot. And that's why the

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Speaker 1: Bills picked twenty seventh, not twenty eighth. But based on

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Speaker 1: where they're picking in round two, it's fifty ninth. That's

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Speaker 1: just how the math works out. And so I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how else to explain it to you.

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Speaker 1: There are instances where if you have teams that finish

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Speaker 1: with the same regular season records that don't make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: they flip flop. So if you have two teams that

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Speaker 1: had seven and nine records last year and they're picking

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Speaker 1: thirteenth and fourteenth in round one, those two teams will

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Speaker 1: flip flop in round two. So the team that picked

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Speaker 1: fourteenth in round one will pick thirteenth in round two

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Speaker 1: and the other team will sit behind them and then

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Speaker 1: it'll alternate round by round. But that doesn't happen with

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Speaker 1: playoff teams. So sure, sure where you saw that fifty

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Speaker 1: to fifth pick, But my only guess is that that

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Speaker 1: was listed prior to the playoffs and when teams exited

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and it was it was a mock drafter

1440
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Speaker 1: or a draft analyst predicting where teams would be picking

1441
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Speaker 1: come round one round two. That's the only thing I

1442
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Speaker 1: can think of. And as far as McGovern's concerned, guy

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01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 1: was a starting caliber lineman in Dallas, came here with

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01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: great credentials, and I personally believe he's a big upgrade

1445
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: over what they had at left guard last year in

1446
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 1: Roger Saffold, who has had a great career but was

1447
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Speaker 1: on the back side of his career and I don't

1448
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: think he was quite the player that he had been

1449
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: in recent years. So I think that's a big upgrade

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Speaker 1: for Buffalo at the left guard spot.

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Speaker 2: I think you get the youth with him too. I mean,

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01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 2: you get a younger player who can give you some

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01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 2: good years, who doesn't have, you know, only a couple

1454
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Speaker 2: of years left in the tank. This is somebody who's

1455
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 2: early on in his NFL career, So you get that

1456
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 2: in him, which I think offers you some upside and

1457
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 2: what the line, the makeup of line will look like,

1458
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 2: and in how it can improve this season and give

1459
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: Josh more time in the pocket to make a decision.

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Speaker 1: We have to take a break here, but when we

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Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna crack open your thoughts on the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet as we have the poll rocking and rolling today.

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Speaker 1: What scenario in round one would make you trade out

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Speaker 1: of the Bills spot at twenty seven and back into

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Speaker 1: round two? Choices are there at One Bill's Live on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: You check it out, you vote, You let us know

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet comments next here on One Bill's Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by Colida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back

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Speaker 1: here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown Maddi lab here

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Speaker 1: on the Monday of draft week, and we are asking

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Speaker 1: you what draft scenario would prompt you to trade down.

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Speaker 1: It's a poll up at one Bills Live on Twitter

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01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: where you can pick a top three receivers are off

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01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 1: the board, b, top four offensive tackles off the board,

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01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: or C top two playmaking tight ends are off the board.

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Speaker 1: What would prompt you to trade down? We go to

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Speaker 1: the tweet sheet, brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems,

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Speaker 1: the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. Bill's

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Speaker 1: News Consolidated leads us off today and says choice B

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Speaker 1: would prompt a trade down for me because we only

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Speaker 1: met with four offensive tackles pre draft, and then he

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01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: lists a bunch of offensive tackles Darnell Right, Anton, Harrison,

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Speaker 1: Matthew Bergeron, Nick Broker. Bergeron is not going to be

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Speaker 1: a first rounder by all accounts, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are projecting him to guard, much like Nick Broker,

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01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,440
Speaker 1: an old miss guy who played tackle but projects inside

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01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: to guard as well. But yeah, those top tackles come

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01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: off the board. I get it. If you're Jones in

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01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 1: for a tackle and the value is not there and

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01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: you want to get out. Get out.

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Speaker 2: One thing that I found interesting this was a mock

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01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: draft podcast that I listened to. Daniel Jeremiah and Peter

1493
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 2: Schrager of NFL Network did a mock draft on Peter

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01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: Schrigger's The Season podcast and they chose Matt bergeron for

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01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: the Bills at number twenty seven, which.

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01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: At twenty seven yes, oh okay, which that is.

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Speaker 2: The first time I have heard that, because you said

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01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 2: he and a lot of the mock drafts show he

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Speaker 2: is a second round type player.

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Speaker 1: I think he'll be a top I think he could

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01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: be a top fifty pick, yes, but a top thirty

1502
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: pick maybe.

1503
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 5: You never know.

1504
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: And I think that's an example again of the wide

1505
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 1: ranging opinion on players. So yeah, it's going to be

1506
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: very interesting to see what happens, because I'm telling you, Maddie,

1507
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 1: I think on night one there's gonna be three or

1508
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: four players where people go, who, now, huh that guy?

1509
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 2: And then people that probably last in the second round

1510
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 2: that you're thinking, yep, I didn't think they'd be available.

1511
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable value. I can't believe, you.

1512
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 2: Know, but that one of the unbelievable values you talk

1513
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: about that they had in this podcast. Was Zay Flowers

1514
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 2: lasted until the second round?

1515
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in Dane Brugler's mock draft he was down

1516
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 1: at pick thirty or something. I think who he just

1517
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: had on earlier this hour. So is a Flowers sliding

1518
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: or is that just a difference of opinion. That's why

1519
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: this draft I think is going to be so topsy turvy,

1520
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: because it's even more wide ranging opinion than we typically

1521
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: see in a given year. Jeremy on the tweets sheet says,

1522
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: I voted B, which is again four top offensive tackles

1523
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 1: off the board. There's no greater asset than an amazing

1524
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: old lineman. Look at that quarterback that was in New

1525
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: England for twenty years. I forget his name, but he

1526
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: won a lot of games with just average average quarterback talent.

1527
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 1: What's he talking about average? I think he means average

1528
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: line talent. He's kind of contradicting himself a little bit here,

1529
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: but nevertheless, Yeah, and here's the thing too, Maddie, I

1530
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: think early on in this draft process and some of

1531
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: those mock draft watches that you've done kind of speak

1532
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: to this. In the early going, people were talking about

1533
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: an interior zer alignment for the Bills, and then the

1534
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: Bills signed not only Connor mcgovernin free agency, but also

1535
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: David Edwards from the LA Rams, and suddenly the need

1536
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: for an interior offensive lineman goes away, and I think

1537
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: more Bills fans said, Wow, looks like we got guards

1538
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 1: shirt up, So let's go look at tackles now. The

1539
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: problem is, tackles are probably gonna come off the board

1540
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: a little earlier. Not to say there aren't tackles to

1541
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 1: be had in round two, you know, like a Berge

1542
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: Roun potentially, or maybe even Dewan Jones, who many people

1543
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: think is down in round two now, the behemoth kid

1544
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 1: out of Ohio State, his teammate Paris Johnson's gonna probably

1545
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 1: go in front of the Bills. But there'll be others,

1546
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, in round two and maybe even round three.

1547
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 1: You know that you can develop into somebody, or maybe

1548
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: develop into a swing tackle roll or compete with David Questenberry,

1549
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, who's back here and resigned. It'll be interesting,

1550
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: but it seems like most people are on the offensive

1551
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: line train here in the early going.

1552
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dewand Jones is a name that I've seen pop

1553
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 2: up in mock drafts heading to the Bills one or

1554
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 2: two times. He has popped up in round one, but

1555
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 2: this was early on. This was a PFF mock draft

1556
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 2: and it was early March. I want to say, if

1557
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 2: I can find it, O Cyrus Torrance a very hot

1558
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 2: name early on. He's kind of fallen off in terms

1559
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 2: of the mock drafts and him heading to the Bills

1560
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: at number twenty seven. Because, like you said, I talked

1561
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 2: to Chris Tapasso of CBS Sports and I brought up,

1562
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: you know, the offensive line position was really hot for

1563
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 2: the Bills for a second there in March, and even

1564
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 2: after free agency for a bit. Then it kind of

1565
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 2: tapered off, and he said, well, look at who the

1566
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,839
Speaker 2: Bills have gotten in free agency. That whole not necessarily

1567
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 2: is completely filled, but it's more filled than other positions.

1568
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because as we mentioned, David Edwards, Connor McGovern and

1569
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: free agency at the guard spot. But then David Quessenberry

1570
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: and you have Spencer Brown and Dion Dawkins so and

1571
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 1: you also have Tommy Doyle coming back from ACL surgery.

1572
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: He figures to be healthy and ready to roll this year.

1573
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: So that's four tackles right there, let alone anybody else.

1574
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: They add Jack on the tweets sheet says they need weapons.

1575
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: So if the top two wide receivers and best tight

1576
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: ends are gone, then trade back, add some more picks

1577
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: where the value is better. And we've heard a lot

1578
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,839
Speaker 1: of that, Maddie. Round two and three is largely considered

1579
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: the meat and potatoes of this draft in terms of

1580
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: value all the way through from pick thirty two to

1581
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: pick ninety six or whatever it is.

1582
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 2: At the end, Yeah, there's going to be value for

1583
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 2: them in the second round and the third round, whether

1584
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 2: you want wide receiver, whether you want tight end. We

1585
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 2: heard Dan Bruler say you can get some good value

1586
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 2: in the second round for some of those edge rushers

1587
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 2: defensive tackle. It seems like Moore's in the first round

1588
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 2: where you're gonna get that value. Not as deep as

1589
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 2: the edge rushers, but I could you know, the more

1590
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 2: that I talk about the draft, the more that we

1591
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 2: talk to people on the show, the more that it

1592
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 2: could make sense for the Bills to just trade out

1593
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 2: of the first round if they believe that they can

1594
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 2: get what they want in the second round and in

1595
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 2: the third round wherever those picks fall. And you also

1596
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 2: talk to people about the Chiefs and what the Chiefs

1597
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 2: have done, and the fact that the Chiefs played all

1598
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 2: these rookies last year and it worked for them, and

1599
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:47,879
Speaker 2: by the time they got to the playoffs, these rookies

1600
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 2: were playing really good ball because they had the entire

1601
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 2: regular season to figure it out. And a guy like

1602
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 2: Isaiah Pacheco and the Bills with where they're at in

1603
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 2: their with their quarterback and paying players, it makes sense

1604
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 2: to maybe want to get some more draft picks because

1605
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 2: of the contracts that these draft picks are going to

1606
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 2: be on, because of the value that they offer you

1607
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 2: and how much you don't have to pay them for

1608
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 2: four years.

1609
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Samuel on the tweet sheet says,

1610
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: trade down in any scenario, it's much more beneficial to

1611
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: trade back to around thirty seven to forty, pick up

1612
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: an additional three in the process, third round pick. He

1613
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: means example, Bills give up twenty seven and two oh

1614
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 1: five their first and their seventh, Raiders give them thirty

1615
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 1: eight and seventy. You take Campbell at thirty eight and

1616
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: we're off and running. Yeah, figured it out. The analytics

1617
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: say historically it's better to trade back than to trade up,

1618
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: because you're giving yourself more opportunities at players. So if

1619
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: you miss on one but hit on the other, it's

1620
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: just more more bites at the apple. That's really just

1621
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 1: what it's about at its core. No pun intended quickly

1622
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: fill on the tweet sheet. I would trade down, but

1623
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 1: it's not position specific for me. It's about value, and

1624
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: I don't think the Bills need any position specifically. They

1625
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 1: could improve with a Day one starter at four positions

1626
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: in year one offensive tackle, defensive end, middle linebacker, wide receiver.

1627
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: If there isn't value left there, move back. Because d line,

1628
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,600
Speaker 1: tight end, corner have mid round value. It is a

1629
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 1: good corner draft in terms of depth. It's a good

1630
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 1: tight end draft in terms of depth, and as you

1631
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: already said, it's good for edge rusher, less so for

1632
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 1: defensive tackle and for the cornerback position.

1633
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: I mean that's a name that we've seen pop up

1634
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,879
Speaker 2: in mock drafts for the defensive backs and the corners,

1635
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 2: more corners as of late than safeties because of the

1636
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,759
Speaker 2: Bills keeping Jordan Poyer on the team and also signing

1637
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 2: Taylor rab But the second round and the third round,

1638
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 2: I could easily get on board with the defensive back

1639
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 2: because of the depth that you saw this position that

1640
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 2: position group needed last season with the injury and with

1641
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 2: the fact that Micah Hyden and Jordan Poyer are on

1642
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 2: the end of their NFL careers. Who knows what's going

1643
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 2: to happen there, and maybe you want to find some

1644
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 2: guys who can be next in line, whether that is

1645
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 2: Taylor Rapper or DeMar Hamlin. But you also have to

1646
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: think about the cornerback position as well. Yes, kye Elam

1647
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 2: is there, but Tredevious White's last season wasn't what we

1648
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 2: were all expecting. I think we're all hoping that he

1649
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: could become the Trey White before the injury this season,

1650
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 2: but we haven't been able to see that yet. We

1651
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 2: will see once the season begins.

1652
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you have Trey and Kyeer and then you

1653
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: also have Dane Jackson and Christian Benford provided he stays

1654
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 1: at corner and doesn't transition to safety, and then you

1655
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: have Taron Johnson in the slot. Saran Neil has kind

1656
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: of been a backup guy over the years, but he's

1657
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: not a true nickel, So I think if they go

1658
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: corner in the mid rounds, I think it'd be a

1659
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: guy that could play nickel for them. So in the

1660
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: event that God forbid Taron Johnson gets hurt, you've got

1661
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: an answer that you can slide in there. Who's used

1662
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: to the spot, knows what the role is and can play.

1663
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,599
Speaker 1: And there should be Nickels in those middle rounds because

1664
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: it's usually the outside guys that go early. The smaller,

1665
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: quicker guys go a little bit later. You might be

1666
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: able to get some good value there. Break time for us,

1667
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: Maddie and I'll wrap it up next here on One

1668
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: Bill's Live. Stay tuned all right back here on One

1669
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: Bill's Live, Chris Brown Maddi glab with you one final segment.

1670
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: A couple of final thoughts on the tweet sheet. Ron says,

1671
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 1: if the top wide receivers and tackles are gone, then yes,

1672
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,759
Speaker 1: trade back, possibly target either Drew Sanders or Jack Campbell

1673
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: or the next best tackle if they fit the value.

1674
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: And Lance says, if Hopkins is available and the top

1675
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: two or three guys on the bills board are gone,

1676
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: then make the deal to acquire Hopkins for pick thirty

1677
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: four for twenty seven. I got news for you. Yeah

1678
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: you're not getting I don't think the bills are giving

1679
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: up a one for Hopkins. You're saying they would get

1680
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: the Arizona two back though that EH, got to make

1681
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: the money work as much as the copence money. It's

1682
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: the money that has to work too. That's the extra

1683
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: layer to this whole thing that makes that deal so

1684
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 1: difficult to pull off, and why no team has pulled

1685
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: it off yet. That's it for Maddie and I today.

1686
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 1: Steve is back tomorrow. Thanks for your help today, Maddie,

1687
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: but we will see you tomorrow with more draft coverage

1688
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: at one. We'll see you then,