Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. We talked so much about Lenny Kravitz's
Speaker 1: life in Part one of Course Love Supreme Interview with
Speaker 1: Lenny Kravitz. Uh So check that episode out and now
Speaker 1: here's part two of our exclusive two part interview with
Speaker 1: a great Lenny Kravitz of Course Love Supreme. So when
Speaker 1: you got to Mama said, Mama said, was a complete
Speaker 1: reaction to what was going on. That's one, at least
Speaker 1: at myself mine too. It might be of the old ones,
Speaker 1: might be my favorite. Is it hard for you to? Okay?
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, is that the type of album where
Speaker 1: you're like, you're done with it? And that's well, I'm
Speaker 1: done with every album when it's done. I'm done with everything.
Speaker 1: Once it's finished, I'm onto the next. But um, I
Speaker 1: love that record, and uh I don't regret a thing,
Speaker 1: you know, But the pressure of you still singing like
Speaker 1: in it over till it's over, Like in your mind,
Speaker 1: is she's still the target of that song? Like can you?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's her song, you know. And it's actually
Speaker 1: really interesting because I mean, we're we're best friends. We're
Speaker 1: back to brother and sister, we're best friends. I'm with
Speaker 1: her kids, her husband were all together. Everybody's it's one
Speaker 1: big family, which is the way it should be. But
Speaker 1: she came to She hadn't been to a show in
Speaker 1: a million years since we were together. She had not
Speaker 1: been to a show, and she came to a show
Speaker 1: on the Struck tour, and she was with Zoe. And
Speaker 1: it's the first time Zoe's seen her mom at my show.
Speaker 1: So here's all of us and I'm singing these songs.
Speaker 1: I my mama said that her. Your mama wasn't at
Speaker 1: the show too in New York. Yes, were you there
Speaker 1: at the Webster? Yes, and we're doing those clubs. Wait,
Speaker 1: that's the first time she saw you? Yes, in the
Speaker 1: second Yes, I want but she it was I looked up.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I didn't know if I looked up, and
Speaker 1: I saw I was watching her hands and both of
Speaker 1: them with this look on their face. And it was
Speaker 1: beautiful because it was it was the first for all
Speaker 1: of us, right, And then I guess towards the end
Speaker 1: of the show, they actually ran out, went to the
Speaker 1: to the DELI went to the shop and got flowers
Speaker 1: and were throwing flowers at the stage. It was a thing.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. I had hoped for a little bit
Speaker 1: because I was, you know, watching her like I was
Speaker 1: turning on to freaker out, but I kept watching her
Speaker 1: like watching I was like, Yo, she's really engaged in this.
Speaker 1: And you know you remember that moment where like interrupted
Speaker 1: the right you want a different world. Why do you
Speaker 1: see what we're dealing with here? I mean I was
Speaker 1: on that. I was on that it. No, it was.
Speaker 1: It was really cool to see how amicable. So no,
Speaker 1: the record is is a beautiful memory and I have
Speaker 1: no problem with those songs. Are singing him or what was?
Speaker 1: Can I ask what was her reaction to first hearing it? Then? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. At that point it was it wasn't
Speaker 1: It wasn't like that. So it wasn't like you finished it,
Speaker 1: I'm not you know. Yeah. It was more more than
Speaker 1: anything in the world. Was that one was a state
Speaker 1: of depression. There was a two week period where I
Speaker 1: didn't sleep where I was. I had had a guy
Speaker 1: living with me, like just watching me like I was
Speaker 1: ready to jump out the window. It was bad. I
Speaker 1: wasn't sleeping, I wasn't eating. You can hear that shit
Speaker 1: in your voice. That song was cut on a on
Speaker 1: a what was it called Porter Studio. It was caught
Speaker 1: on the Porter Studio on a cassette the track, uh,
Speaker 1: and then I and then I and then I went
Speaker 1: to Waterfront and then I over did the overdubs. But
Speaker 1: we started on a cassette in this room and this
Speaker 1: laft that man, I was gone, that that song was
Speaker 1: the was was the deepest period of that record for
Speaker 1: me emotionally, which was more than anything in this world.
Speaker 1: I'm one of I'm glad you said that because I've
Speaker 1: been trying to figure out it was the drum sound
Speaker 1: for that. Let's just buy a four track already or
Speaker 1: dig one out of your eighteen stories. I think I
Speaker 1: think it's the Alessies, the little Gray Alessies, a little
Speaker 1: flat one, the curve, that drum machine with the tape slap.
Speaker 1: And also, yeah, the reason why I knew that it
Speaker 1: was real because you you sang so dry on it.
Speaker 1: It was just like some fifty seven line around the apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're saying no, but even your vocal like you
Speaker 1: didn't put you didn't do any inflections on it. And
Speaker 1: I was just like yo, and I was cheering for you.
Speaker 1: Listen to this ship. It was because when I heard it,
Speaker 1: you know one of those songs, you know, one of
Speaker 1: those songs you can just got rewind over and over.
Speaker 1: And I had the cassette, so you know, I get
Speaker 1: the anything. Yeah. Yeah, And then like I wore that
Speaker 1: tape out and I was just like, all right, Lenny,
Speaker 1: I believe in this performance. You gotta. I felt if
Speaker 1: you did a video, no, actually you probably went to
Speaker 1: jail and you gotta restrain in order. I was like,
Speaker 1: you gotta say anything this song. You gotta set up
Speaker 1: on her lorn recording the video that's called harassment because
Speaker 1: you know why is that street harassment? That's a real thing.
Speaker 1: But let me ask this because you you were straight honest,
Speaker 1: and it's it's great as a fan, like people appreciate
Speaker 1: that you had the first album that was about falling
Speaker 1: in love and then you had the other album that was,
Speaker 1: you know, about the opposite. And I guess as an artist,
Speaker 1: when you're sitting there writing this album, you're going through
Speaker 1: all your emotions. You're like, I gotta get to shut
Speaker 1: out and get it out. But then you put the
Speaker 1: album out and you have to do promo and press
Speaker 1: around it, right, So yeah, like, how do you do that,
Speaker 1: and at what point? And even now, like, I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful that you are open and you're still not tired
Speaker 1: of talking about this chapter because it's important to your
Speaker 1: love it. On the tour now, I'm singing songs that
Speaker 1: I'm doing saying by my Woman and different songs from
Speaker 1: that album. I mean, but how do you do that? Like,
Speaker 1: how do you do the promo off of these albums?
Speaker 1: Too different? Well, then I'm sure it was a different thing,
Speaker 1: but now they're just these like beautiful memories you know
Speaker 1: in parts of my life that you know, Um, they're
Speaker 1: still there. How did how did you? Were you disappointing
Speaker 1: that black radio didn't really pick up one in over
Speaker 1: till its obver because I felt, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: The TV started playing the ship out on the charts
Speaker 1: that went number so the pop would have been that
Speaker 1: straight pop that was number two with a bullet because uh,
Speaker 1: what's his name? Had that Robin Hood song? That would
Speaker 1: not they had that. They had that movie money and
Speaker 1: I sat id number two with a bullet three weeks
Speaker 1: and they put that last bit of money on that
Speaker 1: thing as four number three. Um, so I went number two.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it did on the R and
Speaker 1: B charts. I don't even did they even did they
Speaker 1: even promoted to not to say that Black radio couldn't
Speaker 1: just picked it up, but did they even sell it promoted?
Speaker 1: Black radio always used to kind of be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's nice, you know, like I go do promotion. Did
Speaker 1: they send you to Jack the Rapper or the rapper?
Speaker 1: Prince Prince did Jack the Rapper? R and B people?
Speaker 1: Did Jack company Kevin Hart so much? My kids? No,
Speaker 1: no b R E, no Gavin, no Jack the Rapper.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing b r A sounds familiar. That was black
Speaker 1: radio X wasn't. But it was like I would go.
Speaker 1: But I did do Soul Train, yeah, the right, because
Speaker 1: we loved it. But it was always like all right, great,
Speaker 1: could do an interview joke and then it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll play it twice. That's how that's yours. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That it went number ten on R. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not bad because we knew, we knew he existed,
Speaker 1: we knew we loved the music. We just didn't know
Speaker 1: we couldn't. It was just not what they wanted. I've
Speaker 1: never I guess besides that, I don't know, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. But black radio. You know you're big
Speaker 1: on Russian jew radio. What's thet st with with with
Speaker 1: Gonna go My way? Um and things? Totally breaking this?
Speaker 1: First of all, how did it happen? Now? How did
Speaker 1: you finally break the ceiling into one track? First of all,
Speaker 1: who knew that that track had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: Hit Records Radio? No dude, it did. But post Team Spirit,
Speaker 1: adrenaline rock was still a thing. It just felt. It
Speaker 1: felt like a locomotive train. I didn't see it, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't see it coming. We cut the track. We
Speaker 1: cut that track in five minutes because of the state,
Speaker 1: because another session was coming in. I was still on
Speaker 1: that tip even on my third album. The next session
Speaker 1: was coming in. I couldn't even block that out. There's
Speaker 1: some there's some great feeling Games taught us called the
Speaker 1: alpha state, where when you don't overthink ship and and
Speaker 1: don't and you just do it and don't you know,
Speaker 1: we're like this and the next clients in the lounge
Speaker 1: and it's like it's getting that thing where we're kind
Speaker 1: of five minutes over there thing and they get and
Speaker 1: we're in there. Da da damn that puts your subconscious
Speaker 1: in the state of perfection that you're not even aware of.
Speaker 1: And then I had the track. I went home, wrote
Speaker 1: the lyric and the melody because it was just a jam.
Speaker 1: I had no idea of melody. Wrote these words, wrote
Speaker 1: that sang it. It was like, Okay, record comes out.
Speaker 1: They just said it's gonna be a single. They're working
Speaker 1: it and working it and working it, trying to make
Speaker 1: it happen. Weeks going by, nothing's happening. I think big
Speaker 1: part of the success of that song was the visual
Speaker 1: I met um Well, not well that, yeah, Cindy begin
Speaker 1: came out of it, but but um marc Romanic, the director.
Speaker 1: I met him, threw Jeff Earroff, who signed me, and
Speaker 1: we took a walk on the East River and talked
Speaker 1: about let's make a video and the space and then
Speaker 1: and the light and then then that came. Then MTV
Speaker 1: didn't want to play it. They're pushing and pushing. Not
Speaker 1: at first, you gotta like work and get it on
Speaker 1: the thing, and then the slow thing and then and
Speaker 1: then you were already already pretty established. But you know
Speaker 1: it was it didn't happen right away. They worked that
Speaker 1: record for But when it was about to go away,
Speaker 1: it was about to be done, and something happened and
Speaker 1: then just went blam and that was hit. You know,
Speaker 1: that was it? Yeah, but it was a moment. It
Speaker 1: was a moment. It almost didn't happen. Damn, Wait a minute.
Speaker 1: You want to go to that show you I forgot
Speaker 1: You produced one of my favorite records, Vanessa Paradis debut. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're so smart. You always you always get it backchally okaysa.
Speaker 1: I was producing Vanessa's album at the same time, and
Speaker 1: it was Vanessa waiting to come to her session, so
Speaker 1: it was her session, but I had to still work
Speaker 1: right but she was ready to then come in it
Speaker 1: was her time, and it was like she can't hear
Speaker 1: this well, it was kind of like we were cutting tracks.
Speaker 1: I was cutting tracks for her that obviously would have
Speaker 1: been too too hard for her. But when I when
Speaker 1: we first were cutting it, I didn't know who it
Speaker 1: was for. I was doing my stuff and I was
Speaker 1: doing Vanessa's at the same time, so it was just like,
Speaker 1: let's just hurry up and just take this one home. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that record was made at the same time. Hoboken. Also,
Speaker 1: all of that was in Hoboken. Yeah, the Vanessa Parity
Speaker 1: Record and are you gonna come out? I did everything
Speaker 1: up to Circus in there. Circus was part of New York,
Speaker 1: part Bahamas. Yeah, and wait we're in Hoboken. And it
Speaker 1: was a building called the Della Quilla Building was it's
Speaker 1: fifteenth in Washington and it was this big ugly brown
Speaker 1: and yellow yellow windows, spray painted sweat shop. Factory people people,
Speaker 1: and they're making purses and sweaters and ship still now
Speaker 1: it's a fabulous condominium everything. Yeah, damn. But it was
Speaker 1: waterfront Yeah. Wait, so the T Building that is it now?
Speaker 1: The T Building, I don't know what it's at the
Speaker 1: end that he didn't wash. It's at the end, that
Speaker 1: big building. And they used to be like a smoke stack.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gone. Are still there? But yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: okay you skipped over. You have a change. Okay. So
Speaker 1: my number one question about it, yes, why did they
Speaker 1: not clear security of the first world? Because I just
Speaker 1: chucked like do you feel a certain way? He was
Speaker 1: like no, you know what, I don't care. We had
Speaker 1: a thing for a minute. They were like they were like, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna come after you. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you sampled it from this and added and then I
Speaker 1: don't know it, but is the version of drummer? Right?
Speaker 1: I forgot the original sample. It's no, no, it's Iom
Speaker 1: trying to do funky drummer on the drum machine. It was.
Speaker 1: But once I got the yeah, I recognized what Joanna
Speaker 1: came from because there's a cowboy in there. It's just yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. So at the time, like, uh, well, I
Speaker 1: was in the studio doing this thing, and I had
Speaker 1: this guy with me, um who I was going to
Speaker 1: play the drums or do something, but they don't have
Speaker 1: the mics together. So I was like, I just need
Speaker 1: a beat. That's kind of like this I needed. And
Speaker 1: this guy gave me the beat. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what it was. He's just like, here,
Speaker 1: use this, and I was like, oh, ship, that's bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's great, right, And then I put
Speaker 1: the strings and the stuff, and and then I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you know, when Madonna's talking, I'm in the back
Speaker 1: singing this melody falsetto that was meant to be the
Speaker 1: That was the scratch track of the melody of the song.
Speaker 1: But then afterwards you know Ingrid wrote the words to
Speaker 1: to to the song, and she started writing this poetry
Speaker 1: thing to it. So I was like, okay, well that's dope.
Speaker 1: So we just left my melody in the back as
Speaker 1: this sort of distant voice. Do you do you know
Speaker 1: the story of the master reel or the master reel
Speaker 1: of Justify My Love? I think this happened after the fact. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're working on our album. Whoever the assistant engineer
Speaker 1: was for for Justified My Love. I guess there's once
Speaker 1: the final mix was done or whatever, and they're like,
Speaker 1: because we cut Madonna. It wasn't the Waterfront. She wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna come out to Jersey, so it was placed in
Speaker 1: the city. I don't New York. The studio that I
Speaker 1: don't even he was the remember which one it was, right,
Speaker 1: So he was he's there during the time when you're
Speaker 1: cutting vocals with Madonna, and so all right, something happens
Speaker 1: and he says he got fired from He said it
Speaker 1: wasn't you or or you know, but the studio fired
Speaker 1: him because, uh he accidentally erased or chipped a bad
Speaker 1: edit or like accidentally a race part of her vocal
Speaker 1: voke right at the at the end of the process
Speaker 1: by accident and he got fired, and but you weren't
Speaker 1: aware of that. So the story is going completely nowhere.
Speaker 1: But I have a follow up question. Have you ever
Speaker 1: heard I'll Be Sure's version of Justify Your Love? Why
Speaker 1: do you know it was? It was a B side
Speaker 1: to remember on the second time he did the duet
Speaker 1: with Diana Ross, no matter, it's the B side of that,
Speaker 1: and it has Joe Casey Haley singing on it too.
Speaker 1: It was basically, Wow, I did not know it's called
Speaker 1: owl Justify your Love waits on YouTube? It on YouTube?
Speaker 1: Ship will know that a l oh, that's dope, l
Speaker 1: apotrophe l as an owl will owl justified? How do
Speaker 1: you know thet you got? You got no because I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a big I'll be Short fan. You're really Wait
Speaker 1: when we're at it, Wait what dudes like when I
Speaker 1: missed that one? I didn't know. I'm afraid to listen
Speaker 1: to this. It was a bestie. I didn't expect many
Speaker 1: people to say. It does play right here on Quest
Speaker 1: Little Supreme with Lady Kravitz. And then after that, can
Speaker 1: we play the young Black Teenagers version to oh Am
Speaker 1: at the Beach? I'm not saying anything sing oh whoa writers,
Speaker 1: I'll be short. English is Lenny Kravitz and chub Rock.
Speaker 1: Little chump Rock is on this. I forgot. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Varty swing Joe to see Oh he's us he's an
Speaker 1: example too, this weekend. That's a that's beautiful. That's Joe,
Speaker 1: Joe singing just well my love. That sounds like it
Speaker 1: should be in the in the sex scene. And boomerang whistle,
Speaker 1: oh there is that was on every record during that time,
Speaker 1: and flute like, yeah, it's not it sounds like boomerang.
Speaker 1: This sounds like strong saying. But but the commercial world,
Speaker 1: he let old boy do his own feeling. Jerdy let
Speaker 1: him to do vagina. Yeah, the thing that happens never changed,
Speaker 1: Boss Bill, my brothers I you weren't seeing no checks
Speaker 1: from this. It was a B side, so yeah, it
Speaker 1: was only se for like what two weeks. My god,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we don't like me And that was a
Speaker 1: questions bring Jesus Christ? Alright, alright, that was I justified
Speaker 1: because the thing was I would expect to do that
Speaker 1: like ten years down the line, second second album, second album,
Speaker 1: bro Private Times and the whole now Jesus Christ on
Speaker 1: the B side of that, Diana Danna Rosta. Is there
Speaker 1: any other Lenny Kravitz treats that we don't know about? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got one, the I'm over here, Uh, the the
Speaker 1: Mick Jaggers song, the Bill Wither's song you did with
Speaker 1: Mick Jack you produced. I I'm very happy that I
Speaker 1: did that, But I had nothing. Rick Rubin produced it. Okay,
Speaker 1: but and I love Rick and Rick's one of my
Speaker 1: dearest friends. Did you not produce a Mick Jagger? I
Speaker 1: produced a song called God Gave Me Everything on nix
Speaker 1: next solo record, Okay, on Goddess in the Doorway. Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah you're talking about but use me? Yeah it was
Speaker 1: all right. Wait make Jacker did use me with Lenny.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was me being a Bill Withers man. And
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm happy I did it and it's cool.
Speaker 1: But sorry, yeah it sounds really good. But okay, I
Speaker 1: have I have a general I have a general rule
Speaker 1: about like working with your idols or whatever, like people
Speaker 1: that you learn because it could go one way or
Speaker 1: the other where if they're too famous, you can't tell
Speaker 1: them nothing. But I had them to do with it,
Speaker 1: like it wasn't my production, It wasn't my thing. It
Speaker 1: wasn't it just you know, did you wish you had
Speaker 1: control that song? I mean, did they check you out
Speaker 1: of your old Okay, that's what I'm trying to go
Speaker 1: with it. Was it too clean? Yeah it was, but
Speaker 1: it was we're talking about Bill Withers. But then again
Speaker 1: it was a matter what. It was different, and that's cool.
Speaker 1: You know it was different. But just in looking back,
Speaker 1: I know you're not trying to drive anybody under the
Speaker 1: drive anybody, roll anybody over the bus. I get on
Speaker 1: a Mick Jagger album, Oh shit, I am Oh, you
Speaker 1: just snitched on me. I forgot only a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. I forgot. I'm looking up he got like
Speaker 1: I want to know, But it wasn't. It was like
Speaker 1: he did a project with which Marley at the moment,
Speaker 1: it's like the probably probably it's like d Marley Johnstone.
Speaker 1: They had a band Dave Stewart. Yeah, it was on
Speaker 1: the thing was Alfie soundtrack, right, they did a whole
Speaker 1: album and like the thing was he called me directly
Speaker 1: and I thought it was Jimmy trying to funk with me.
Speaker 1: It was no, you know, Mick Jack and I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, just like everyone that has that type of
Speaker 1: story where it takes you fifteen minutes to believe it.
Speaker 1: I hung up. I called Jimmy. I'm like a waiting.
Speaker 1: Jimmy's like, no, it wasn't me. And finally I realized
Speaker 1: that it was Mick Jagger calling me, and but I
Speaker 1: love Nick. I mean, jack Man, you must say no
Speaker 1: what to a lot though, right because you don't. It's
Speaker 1: not like you're the you always say yes to a
Speaker 1: lot of things like this was Lenny produced. Disney wrote
Speaker 1: this me did it like I say yes to you
Speaker 1: to give me to shut up because it's gonna work.
Speaker 1: I don't I know. That's just trying to push your
Speaker 1: button over there. Gold film your reactions late on. Hold on,
Speaker 1: I say yes to you. See what you don't know
Speaker 1: that have a glandular problem. Start you don't start sweating.
Speaker 1: I can have a GLANDI I have a glandier. It
Speaker 1: just went from a pickle. We're trying to push this
Speaker 1: timeline here to get him out something else. Because I
Speaker 1: would talk to her today and yeah, she told me
Speaker 1: to tell you she loves you. She's probably after they've
Speaker 1: been on the show. I talked to Creed that that
Speaker 1: was a moment. That's that's when I was making a
Speaker 1: live I know, the same time, both those at the
Speaker 1: same time in the Bahamas. Yeah, she's and she got robbed.
Speaker 1: She got robbed. They didn't know what to do. She
Speaker 1: was just earlier. I think she was early. She super early.
Speaker 1: She was super early. The label like folded, it was
Speaker 1: like a whole it was. She still Freddy too, so
Speaker 1: that was like I was in college. But it's those
Speaker 1: that know no that record Lane Sleep. They're stole it
Speaker 1: from me. So you know, you know what I did,
Speaker 1: steal it from you? You gave me. Yeah, my bad.
Speaker 1: That's sorry, that's cool, but I got your jobs. So
Speaker 1: you know we even though we are. But will y'all
Speaker 1: ever meet again? Absolutely, We've been talking about it, that thing.
Speaker 1: I've just been so busy finishing this record. But yes,
Speaker 1: that would be just a pleasure with five that rate.
Speaker 1: We skipped an albums. Oh yes, back to the Boss.
Speaker 1: Yes we did Circus. Why why did everybody like that record?
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I remember the lead wasn't they
Speaker 1: had to leave ruined? Was it vibe or I don't
Speaker 1: know it was. I remember that I wanted to read
Speaker 1: in an early review on it, and it was either
Speaker 1: vibe but they gave you the lead review and they
Speaker 1: were kind of dismissive about it. They wouldn't have got that.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, and my fan like the like
Speaker 1: the fan fans, that's their record. Yeah, yeah, it's But
Speaker 1: the thing is is that have we known any musician
Speaker 1: two make a song about a genre that they don't
Speaker 1: like it anymore and it's ever worked, Like there's a
Speaker 1: there's a hip hop is dead, there's a rock and
Speaker 1: roll is dead there And then Prince answered me with
Speaker 1: rock and rolls rocket apples and he called me. He's
Speaker 1: like he said that it was I that was for you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was the answer to rock and roll
Speaker 1: is dead or always wait it's circus, Lenny, like electric
Speaker 1: circus is too common? Isn't that a circus thing? Black
Speaker 1: people need to stop making albums named r a circus.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just because I'm still I don't circus
Speaker 1: was all the craziness now of all that was going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but fame was crazy, but you were still you were
Speaker 1: still My mom was dying, like it was just like
Speaker 1: my world of the circus. It was a complete upside
Speaker 1: down thing that was happening. Um, I never felt as
Speaker 1: though you were off of your your off your deam
Speaker 1: as far as I know, right straight Philly felt used
Speaker 1: off your deam with as far as your silence are concerned.
Speaker 1: So I didn't consider the Departure record saying like like
Speaker 1: I mean, it was different. It was a left turn
Speaker 1: after I get on my way, and of course the
Speaker 1: label was like, we want one more of those. And
Speaker 1: you know, then I went and made circus and took
Speaker 1: all these weird photographs and made weird videos and you know, um,
Speaker 1: it was that moment. So were you nervous about uh,
Speaker 1: losing the momentum? Not at all? Making Okay, not at all.
Speaker 1: I didn't care. Why didn't you care? Because I was.
Speaker 1: I never thought about any of this. I just did
Speaker 1: what came out of me, and that that for me
Speaker 1: is this success, you know, freedom, just this is how
Speaker 1: I feel. This is the music, This is what we
Speaker 1: get right now, whether we like it or not, This
Speaker 1: is what we get. This is real, you know. And
Speaker 1: then you've got songs in there like that, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't get you off my mind and and yeah
Speaker 1: tunnel Vision and yeah, I remember just reading the review
Speaker 1: and then at the time I went to the thing
Speaker 1: was the warehouse music that was in the mall was
Speaker 1: at the time, and they had it on the listening station,
Speaker 1: and so I just listened to and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: like it don't I didn't get where the flat was
Speaker 1: coming from. It was just it was just out there.
Speaker 1: It was just it was just kind of an out
Speaker 1: there record, man. But I think in general, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of been unspoken here, but I also feel
Speaker 1: that critically you've gotten a lot of double standard flak
Speaker 1: um oh that. Yeah. And it's like the things they
Speaker 1: were later calling people genius for they were talgging me for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, you've been in the room with me,
Speaker 1: like when okay, hope they don't kick me off the committee.
Speaker 1: But when we go to Rolling Stone to to vote
Speaker 1: for the rock and room like that room controls like
Speaker 1: all the critical reviews of you know, of it's their opinions,
Speaker 1: and I, yeah, I definitely see people being protective of there,
Speaker 1: you know, their teenage history and feeling some sort of
Speaker 1: way that you know, I mean, so that's never bothered you,
Speaker 1: like a reviewers never. I don't I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 1: you read some bullshit about yourself. It's just like you
Speaker 1: can tell the reviewers got a thing. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: seen those duties. I was like, damn, dude, I like
Speaker 1: slap his mama, like I've seen that, you know. But
Speaker 1: whatever whatever he said that like did I sleep at
Speaker 1: your girl or something like the album should not cause this.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying the journey and I'm still here.
Speaker 1: So like I'm I'm just grateful, blessed, like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: all good with it, and you're like a living legends
Speaker 1: or I think to the day, even if you left
Speaker 1: this world today, doesn't you would still be there and
Speaker 1: nothing matter. I was just saying, welcome, plening in perspective
Speaker 1: that at this point it don't matter. You're free, you
Speaker 1: can do what you want, and you are a legends.
Speaker 1: So that's the right of a legend there. You know,
Speaker 1: you're a young living legend, but you are. Thank you, man, dear,
Speaker 1: thank you mama. So with five, thank you professing low Sorry,
Speaker 1: I know you're doing this sound for me. It's all
Speaker 1: good man, I'm happy to be. We're going to get um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I definitely have questions about the new records. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're good, okay. Questions five. That was a record
Speaker 1: I bought that I was working at a record slore
Speaker 1: that summer and I'm bought it, purchased. I purchased, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I have a history of stealing music before you could
Speaker 1: go on, before you going now, I stole in the
Speaker 1: Real World and Sidewalk Harressment. No, that Sidewalk Correst. But no,
Speaker 1: I bought that record because that was the first single
Speaker 1: the um that if you can't say no everywhere, like
Speaker 1: that ship that was America. Yeah, how did you get
Speaker 1: Mila Djovic to do that? Joint? Is that her name right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Jojevich okay, j So no you didn't. Joch Is like
Speaker 1: we've been calling her um smart caller okay yeah, smart
Speaker 1: caller um. But that record was I I took a
Speaker 1: different turn sonically. Yeah. I started playing drama, started playing
Speaker 1: with some metric stuff, started looping some stuff. Um. Actually
Speaker 1: it was Billy Corgan that turned me onto some gear
Speaker 1: um from on the same label and we were friendly
Speaker 1: and he's like, man, you gotta start using this and
Speaker 1: check this out because that was because that was and
Speaker 1: that was when the Smashing poem was that was the
Speaker 1: Door album. Yeah, so that was so he turned me
Speaker 1: on to some gear and some stuff. I just started
Speaker 1: to play around with us and I went to the
Speaker 1: I started the record of New York. I had a
Speaker 1: studio on thirty fifth Street between Lex and Third Um.
Speaker 1: I had like a little carriage house and I built
Speaker 1: a studio in there, and which ended up being like
Speaker 1: a big hangout for a while, turned into a nightclub
Speaker 1: and yeah, you you'd come in there at night and
Speaker 1: you'd see you two and Bobby Brown and Naomi Campbell
Speaker 1: and this went and I mean it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was the spot for a while, you know. Was
Speaker 1: that the lyrics on that song? That is that based
Speaker 1: on a real situation that you were going through? Uh
Speaker 1: if you can't say no? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, But I've
Speaker 1: never heard of you like that because that was one
Speaker 1: of those songs that, like, I mean, it came out.
Speaker 1: It's nice. So I was like nineteen, so you know,
Speaker 1: I was listening to it. I'm like, Okay, this is dope.
Speaker 1: But then just later that song is kind of a
Speaker 1: bug out. Yeah, I'm like, God, when you think about
Speaker 1: what you're really saying, like damn if you can't, if
Speaker 1: you cheat, just think of me. Oh god, the savagery.
Speaker 1: But but that was a dope record. And then of
Speaker 1: course when that came out as the first single, people
Speaker 1: were like, after all the rocks that like yeah, Then
Speaker 1: then they were like what's that? But then fly Away
Speaker 1: which but by the way, was not on the album.
Speaker 1: The album was done, mastered, turned in and I'm still
Speaker 1: in the Bahamas working with Cree And one day the engineer, um,
Speaker 1: who's this guy Tearing Manning? Great engineer who Terry who
Speaker 1: ran Compass Point but he cut all he cut all
Speaker 1: that Al Green and Staples Station Brothers, right, huh didn't
Speaker 1: he didn't? Terry also dude Isley Brothers as well. No,
Speaker 1: that was my engineer, Tom Edmonds, who who had a
Speaker 1: live guy who he did the album but don't Say
Speaker 1: good Night and all that stuff, say you will, don't
Speaker 1: say goodnight? Can we go again? How did you work
Speaker 1: with that guy? He was my live guy for years
Speaker 1: and then he cut the funk album that's coming later.
Speaker 1: He cut a lot of that record. We went to
Speaker 1: New Orleans. He's still so there was a point where
Speaker 1: we started messing around and doing some stuff and his
Speaker 1: engineer brings in this bucket for the collapsa. How I
Speaker 1: learned that from the brothers. Yeah, they wet their hands
Speaker 1: and and that's what. Yeah, that's Tom Edmonds. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Tom Edmonds. Well also, I mean five, I know that, Um, well,
Speaker 1: when you were promoting five on television, like, I know
Speaker 1: that your mom's death was a big part of the
Speaker 1: development of this record. What thinking of you? Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but what prevented you from I mean, were you at
Speaker 1: the time. I know that you distraught with with her
Speaker 1: passing like this could have easily went another way where
Speaker 1: it's like an album to her. It's funny to be
Speaker 1: joyous like she died during circus, right, um, And I
Speaker 1: kind of went through the whole morning thing. I went
Speaker 1: right back on tour like a week after the funeral,
Speaker 1: and I was back on the road, and um, by
Speaker 1: the time I got finished with all that, and he
Speaker 1: gone through it and then the tour and took some
Speaker 1: time and went to go make five. I was having
Speaker 1: such a good time with Cree. Cree brought so much
Speaker 1: laughter into my life and we we laugh every day,
Speaker 1: crack up. She's so funny. And I was kind of
Speaker 1: I kind of started her record. Then I got into mine,
Speaker 1: and I go back to hers, but we were all
Speaker 1: there together. It'd be like, all right, today you're off.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my thing. Tomorrow we're gonna do you.
Speaker 1: And I was in the Bahamas. Um z Alwey's mom
Speaker 1: allowed Zoe to come down. I put her in school.
Speaker 1: She was there for almost a year. I put her
Speaker 1: in school in Nasaw, and so I was in a
Speaker 1: good place. I had family down there, and all of
Speaker 1: these beautiful songs came out. You know, the record was
Speaker 1: very uplifting. You had a fresh new sound. Oh but
Speaker 1: back to fly Away. So Flyaway wasn't on the record.
Speaker 1: Um Terry had a a park amplifier like a it's
Speaker 1: like a marshal in the in the room, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I want to try that. So I
Speaker 1: plugged in a guitar. And when you play a guitar
Speaker 1: through a certain amp, certain guitar through a certain amp,
Speaker 1: it makes you go to certain chords because you know
Speaker 1: this that oh wow, these cords are really fat right here.
Speaker 1: That's where the riff came from, just listening to this amplifier.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, maybe just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just messed around with it, cut a B side
Speaker 1: or something, and cut the song. Had the track going
Speaker 1: then I didn't have the words or the melody yet.
Speaker 1: I was driving Zoe to school every day in this
Speaker 1: jeep that I had along the ocean, just driving, driving fast,
Speaker 1: driving to school, playing this track for like three or
Speaker 1: four days with Zoe and the car, and then the
Speaker 1: lyrics and the whole they came to me. I cut it.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine heard it. It was like, that
Speaker 1: song is incredible. I said, yeah, but it's not on
Speaker 1: the album. It's I don't know. This guy begged me,
Speaker 1: good friend. He's like, I beg you please put this
Speaker 1: song on the record. I will not be your friend
Speaker 1: anymore you don't put this song on the record. And
Speaker 1: he was like, and I'm like, the record is done,
Speaker 1: called Virgin. We worked. There's another song. I'm sorry we
Speaker 1: have to read anyway. The rest is yeah. I always
Speaker 1: wanted to know why did you feel the need to
Speaker 1: cut your signature locks. I didn't what happened with fly
Speaker 1: away video that's whatever. First, No, no, no, no, what happened?
Speaker 1: This is this is And I was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is the truth. I went up to So's mom's house,
Speaker 1: spent to Panga to visit her, and we're hanging out.
Speaker 1: We're smoking a joint and we're chilling, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, you need to cut your hair. You
Speaker 1: need to change your energy. It's time. And I was like, huh.
Speaker 1: Home girl left the room and came back with a
Speaker 1: razor blade and she's like, you got She's like, you
Speaker 1: gotta do it, like she didn't cut them short and
Speaker 1: and she cut him with a razorbla Like you know
Speaker 1: how much time that takes? Like you know what love
Speaker 1: you have to have for a woman for her to
Speaker 1: convince you to cut your hair. Dude, where however, Lisa
Speaker 1: fitting the shave living like Lisa's hair still locked. Oh
Speaker 1: she's she's she's flourishing, She's flourishing. Was this an easy sell? Dude?
Speaker 1: I was sitting there and I was hot. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like starting to buy it because I'm like, she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a d Sampson. This mom like the swod because
Speaker 1: because I remember, but it came from a place of
Speaker 1: it came from a place to love it did it
Speaker 1: wasn't shady, but actually got it more women. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, and then I was like, you on
Speaker 1: what if? Because this this thing came with me right
Speaker 1: the concerts and the hair flying. I was like, if
Speaker 1: I could get over without it, that means that I
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I was like, so
Speaker 1: you don't want hair to define you and all that bush. No,
Speaker 1: he's not his hair, you know, nigga my hair. That
Speaker 1: because I remember that that that was It was a
Speaker 1: good call because when the album came out in the cover,
Speaker 1: that's because like, yo, he got Because the first video
Speaker 1: I had to my dreads were like they were cut, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to cut. I was like, oh, literally got
Speaker 1: you got the number five. But it wasn't cut like that.
Speaker 1: It was just like kind of bumping and like little afro.
Speaker 1: But it was like yeah, man, so that's what happened.
Speaker 1: It was a stony guy I got scared with with
Speaker 1: with Baby Mama. I saw what happened. I saw what
Speaker 1: happened was his name is sold submistive people on their head.
Speaker 1: It's a rap where people their hair is a rep.
Speaker 1: But the funny part it took so long for her
Speaker 1: to do it. At some point the high war off
Speaker 1: and you had to be like one node I was staying.
Speaker 1: I was staying at the Beverly Hills Hotel. I got
Speaker 1: back to the hotel and I looked at me and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, the part of you feel, part
Speaker 1: of you feel like y'all getting back together. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: there was none of that. Your hair, someone has I
Speaker 1: have it. I have it so today though, that belongs
Speaker 1: to Zoe. Put your back mocked again. I'm coming coming
Speaker 1: forward again. It was coming forward? Yeah, did you? I'm
Speaker 1: good friends with Gershy Gina Gersho. Are you you went
Speaker 1: to high school? We went high school together, okay, bound, Sorry,
Speaker 1: that's your reference Jennifer Tilly and she was, yeah, I
Speaker 1: forgot about part part one. My reference is there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was? How do you know this? That's not true?
Speaker 1: Red Buck Cinemas scares the sh out mean like they
Speaker 1: know ship broke Cocktail? I like, mad h Yeah. How
Speaker 1: about show Girls? The altimate, the alternate B movie? They say,
Speaker 1: such a good movie, Come on, movies, genius. Show Girls
Speaker 1: is my reference for like when something so bad it's good, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm saying. I say show Girls, But
Speaker 1: Gina Crushan and show Girls was such a fucking pimp.
Speaker 1: And like gangster. I'm sorry, I've seen it a lot.
Speaker 1: Just yell at movies. Yeah, don't you get that Gena
Speaker 1: I get because she she wants to start a because
Speaker 1: she plays she sorry, and he played with Bob Dylan.
Speaker 1: That's something you could do professionally played juice harp, best
Speaker 1: name of the instrument ever. Wait a minute, me, me
Speaker 1: and she she came out and played juice hard with
Speaker 1: us at uh at our first uh not loud blues
Speaker 1: at a in Tennessee. Bam Bluze. That's a Spikey movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is in Tennessee? Pump unt something? Yeah? Black festival people? Okay,
Speaker 1: because I got so bad question? Um, all right, let's
Speaker 1: go random. What's nice? Leny five five? Lenny Leny Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go damn the rapid Fire Okay on the new record? Okay,
Speaker 1: oh wow the song? Low? Am I detecting a Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson influencing your vocal performance? Um? Because it ends with
Speaker 1: the whole whole That was very Michael. Wait what do
Speaker 1: you say that is Michael? He's singing background on the record.
Speaker 1: Say you worked with him when we worked together, and
Speaker 1: I whoa I produced? Well? Yeah, well on his version
Speaker 1: it was called Another Day. It's the same song. Storm
Speaker 1: was initially Jackson song. I did it from Michael when
Speaker 1: he was doing Invincible, right, but they didn't put it
Speaker 1: on the record. John was putting the record together with Michael.
Speaker 1: They said it was too hard, and michaels like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna save it for my next record because he loved
Speaker 1: the track. So it didn't come out, and I thought,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's never gonna come out. So then
Speaker 1: I went and cut it as Storm, but made it
Speaker 1: kind of smooth, right. But it was written the way
Speaker 1: I did it for Michael. So we had worked on
Speaker 1: stuff at Marvin's room in l A at John Studio
Speaker 1: John McClay studio. That's where we cut that stuff. So
Speaker 1: we had worked on different tracks and we had different stuff,
Speaker 1: and so I had ad libs that, um were to
Speaker 1: this groove in anyway. Um, I put it on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is Michael. You're like fighting hard. I was like,
Speaker 1: I've never heard Linny channel Michael. No, no, no, that
Speaker 1: that is Michael. So wait when you got a call
Speaker 1: to work with Michael Jackson, um, you felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's worth investigating. He said, write me a song and
Speaker 1: produce a song for me John. He went through John
Speaker 1: John called me. We met in the studio and I
Speaker 1: wrote I wrote the song like a couple of days
Speaker 1: before he came in. I was like, I'm might saying me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what am I gonna do? So I wrote
Speaker 1: this song from where I thought his point of view
Speaker 1: might have been at that time. Um, and I wrote
Speaker 1: that song and then he came in. He was like,
Speaker 1: you tracked up Marvin's room too, so you can go
Speaker 1: to any studio. It's harder. Just pray to God. It's
Speaker 1: hard nail myself. It's harder because yes, I figured you
Speaker 1: want to track when people are going with the Lenny Kravitz,
Speaker 1: that you want to do it at your spots, that
Speaker 1: there's some times when you just can't, you know. So
Speaker 1: did it there? And uh it was it was an
Speaker 1: amazing a few days really he was. It wasn't overwhelming.
Speaker 1: I mean he started out, He's like, Okay, I taught
Speaker 1: him the song, so I'm teaching in the song. I'm
Speaker 1: writing the lyrics out for him, putting it on the
Speaker 1: on the music stands, and he's like, Lenny, I want
Speaker 1: to do it exactly the way you hear it, So
Speaker 1: you stop me when I mess up? Okay, So no,
Speaker 1: he was humble, sweet giving. So we start and within
Speaker 1: the first couple of notes, he's not phrasing the melody correctly,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how do I correct my car? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Really, I'm gonna stop this brother,
Speaker 1: like and he's out there and he's you know, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was like, um, you gotta lay back here,
Speaker 1: and I said, it goes like this man, we did
Speaker 1: that all day and he's like, no, I want you
Speaker 1: to stop me. And so it was like, even even
Speaker 1: when being polite, I always I think it's a test
Speaker 1: of wills because you're not the first person that gave
Speaker 1: me a story where it's like a mammoth Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: recording session that even though it's you know, he's blacke
Speaker 1: and that he's gonna work you to the bone until
Speaker 1: he feels it's correct, which I never feel that he
Speaker 1: feels that any He worked about him his card man
Speaker 1: and and uh, and he worked hard. And then then
Speaker 1: when it got time for the ad libs at the end,
Speaker 1: it was like he's screaming's at the top of his
Speaker 1: voice and all that you know, he's like he's he's
Speaker 1: warming up with Seth Riggs, and then he's like, letting,
Speaker 1: I got thirty minutes, I'm gonna i'mnna have no voice
Speaker 1: the three minutes, so you get all these ad libs now,
Speaker 1: and he just gives it to you. I mean, blood
Speaker 1: comes out of him. I mean, and then he's like
Speaker 1: and then that's it. You know, I was gonna ask
Speaker 1: he gives it to you. I was gonna ask, though,
Speaker 1: if ladder I'm trying to say ladder day Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: but like post a post dangerous Michael Jackson, I always felt,
Speaker 1: which is wearing me out because he has the best
Speaker 1: vocal coach on earth with Seth Riggs, but because he's
Speaker 1: saying with such a fire and anger in his stomach
Speaker 1: Post when it got really right, yeah, which is like, dude,
Speaker 1: you're you're going to destroy your voice. But he was
Speaker 1: so known as having a beautiful velvet tenor, and he
Speaker 1: stopped using any but then he would give you butterflies.
Speaker 1: But even again, I heard that initially the track Attrack
Speaker 1: is smooth on the harmonies, but I heard initially that
Speaker 1: they had to convince him just come naked with your voice,
Speaker 1: that your old school, you know, and not comes right,
Speaker 1: And so I was asking, like, did you ever once
Speaker 1: think like let me write him a song that forces
Speaker 1: them to use his singing, his singing velvet voice, which
Speaker 1: he rarely used post I went straight for the like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's give him like a dirty Diana, give him the
Speaker 1: rock thing, you know. So that's why I went there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the Just Players remix of Storm your version
Speaker 1: Storm Just Remix. Love this? How did that come to be?
Speaker 1: You guys? Uh? The Black Department, that's it? Blacking this up?
Speaker 1: I really want to know how did Heavy D producing? Guns?
Speaker 1: And Rosy Heavy used to come hang out at my
Speaker 1: house in Miami because he was friends with my assistant.
Speaker 1: We were friends from back in the day. And he's like,
Speaker 1: I got this track, and I mean it was just
Speaker 1: a phone call, right, It wasn't bad, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's because at the top of it it was like
Speaker 1: heavy Weight. Yeah, any Kravitz had de production, you bastard
Speaker 1: one thing. Yeah. I never even though I knew he
Speaker 1: was doing tracks and stuff, because like I didn't know
Speaker 1: he was producing, he was producing hard. And even when
Speaker 1: I heard the results and like, oh you're really producing,
Speaker 1: I still didn't want to register that bum was producing.
Speaker 1: So how did you guys sell it to Jay? No?
Speaker 1: I had nothing to do it. I got the call it.
Speaker 1: This is what's going down? Oh, like, come do it
Speaker 1: like Jay did it. So the first day was already
Speaker 1: on it. Okay, okay, they just wanted me to sing
Speaker 1: the hook and play guitar. Yeah. So, yeah, there was
Speaker 1: another record and I cannot remember the name of it.
Speaker 1: A couple of years back. You did uh a remix competition.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely right, the jazz and OV remix of
Speaker 1: that ship man Like, I don't even know if you
Speaker 1: even know. He probably doesn't know that. I'd have to hear.
Speaker 1: There were just so many yeah, like ship like I
Speaker 1: might need to put that back in my set, that
Speaker 1: whole back again. Wait, what albums it it was? It
Speaker 1: wasn't on an album. It wasn't it, Just like I
Speaker 1: wasn't Where was that in ants? Someone I don't know,
Speaker 1: some studio cutting that thing. Yeah, it's what I don't
Speaker 1: remember the name of these. It was gonna breathe Okay,
Speaker 1: absolute cravits, Absolute cravit. Yeah, that's why I remember it,
Speaker 1: as I knew that would the name of the song. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was a competition or not a competition,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was like because like a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys had a bunch of guys. Yeah yeah, my buddy
Speaker 1: Eric Rose and he did a remix. Uh sooner your
Speaker 1: acting career we didn't get Yeah, wait, I gotta damn
Speaker 1: can I hijack this place because I know we thank you?
Speaker 1: Um okay, so one of the one of the things
Speaker 1: that I love best about your career. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: one last music questions. You've been promising this funk album
Speaker 1: forever and it's coming. I am I I am crying
Speaker 1: wolf right. Is it still called negrophilia? Because I love
Speaker 1: that time love that. But what I'm doing reason raised
Speaker 1: by ration came out. Now that record is pretty much
Speaker 1: it's like nine point nine said done. Um, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be making a film to it. That's all I say.
Speaker 1: I wanted to say too much, And that's what's gonna
Speaker 1: be coming next. So I'll just give you that's waiting for.
Speaker 1: But yes, it's gonna be I've been waiting for this
Speaker 1: record with film or or like film like okay, movie,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be the soundtrack. Oh yeah, just please
Speaker 1: don't let it be the super Fly remake. No, I
Speaker 1: promise super remix promise. I'm getting scared. You mean the
Speaker 1: one that's coming out, Yeah, the one that's coming out,
Speaker 1: don't Jackson speaking of super Fly Remix super Fly Return,
Speaker 1: that was weird. That's on with Iced Tea, right, Yeah, yeah. Man.
Speaker 1: I got a phone call from the label I kept,
Speaker 1: and they were like, we need you to fix this track.
Speaker 1: So they sent me the tracks and they made me
Speaker 1: take all the instruments off, and I had to play
Speaker 1: all the instruments over again to make it sound like
Speaker 1: Curtis Mayfield ish, you know that's And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'll do anything for Curtis. You know, he gave me
Speaker 1: his bass player. But we're on my first tour. Lebron Scott, Lucky,
Speaker 1: Scott's brother. Lucky's the one who's on the actual super
Speaker 1: Fly record. His little brother Lebron, who unfortunately just passed
Speaker 1: a few months ago. Um was my bass player. And
Speaker 1: I used to go to Curtis shows and I love
Speaker 1: the bass player, and then basically I became friends. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, we'd love you to join the band
Speaker 1: and Curtis. Curtis gave the blessing. He's like, you, what's
Speaker 1: his name was your sex one playing for a second
Speaker 1: Day for three albums. Yeah, we went past her. But
Speaker 1: can I just ask the first time you ever heard
Speaker 1: Cindy Blackman because we said, but Cindy black Men. I
Speaker 1: was friends with a guy named Anton Roney, who's Wallace
Speaker 1: Roni's brother. Wallace Rooney's trumpet the Mile they call him,
Speaker 1: like the Miles, kind of protege, like his brother's sax player.
Speaker 1: I knew did some sessions for me, and he knew
Speaker 1: Cindy for Cindy was at the time dating Wallace and
Speaker 1: and I was at the time living at Rick Ruben's
Speaker 1: house in l a And um with those dogs, yeah, Shampa,
Speaker 1: and one's name is Shampa after the other one's name.
Speaker 1: They were this black dreadlock dogs. Zoe used to man,
Speaker 1: Zoe was so scared of those dogs because he could
Speaker 1: face and scared. She used to run screaming from the ones.
Speaker 1: But mama dog runs and then the little babies run
Speaker 1: behind like I love those dogs. But anyway, Um, I
Speaker 1: was having a drum audition. All these drummers were coming
Speaker 1: from all over the place, including Andy Kravitz, Yes he did.
Speaker 1: And River Phoenix brought me a drummer. River had a
Speaker 1: friend that was like his best friend, that was his drummer.
Speaker 1: Was the last time I saw River. He brought this
Speaker 1: drummer from Florida. And then there was also another drummer
Speaker 1: that auditioned and he died for his name. I ended
Speaker 1: up giving him to Robert Plant and Jimmy Page, not
Speaker 1: giving but recommending. I want to know why you didn't
Speaker 1: choose Andy Kravitz. I almost did, because he was coming
Speaker 1: with some bottom madness. But Cindy Blackman boy, she came
Speaker 1: with the fire. She was playing all that Elvin Jones,
Speaker 1: I mean, just killing and she was fine. Side yes,
Speaker 1: side note. I used to enter at rough House Studio
Speaker 1: for in Philly where that's that's right. Andy was so
Speaker 1: the day he got that call, it was like he
Speaker 1: knew it was like mama, and he had my name, yes,
Speaker 1: and he you know, his attitude was sort of like,
Speaker 1: you know, like and then like the sitcom flasterback the
Speaker 1: next Monday, okay, and that was the last time a
Speaker 1: black woman to the job for my wife. I was
Speaker 1: rehearsing at the Lyric Theater on forty second Street, which
Speaker 1: is the theater and taxi driver where he takes Civil
Speaker 1: Shepherd to go see the part that was that theater.
Speaker 1: Why would you use that spot? It was for sale
Speaker 1: at the time for like two dollars. That should have
Speaker 1: bought it. This is before the clean up, before the
Speaker 1: second Street. We were rehearsing there because it didn't call ship. Well,
Speaker 1: that's where Anny Kravit showed up and he man he
Speaker 1: was playing where. Uh. I haven't talked to him since
Speaker 1: I had a record too. No, no, I interned at
Speaker 1: Roughhouse and then uh, my last day I've been turning.
Speaker 1: I asked Chris Swartz and Joe Niccolo Joe Butcher brow
Speaker 1: dollars to pay for my pass the popcorn video. They
Speaker 1: paid for it. I entered and they paid for the
Speaker 1: player from Philly named Mike Tyler. Yes, I do, pops
Speaker 1: cool of Pike. Mike Tyler was one of the guys
Speaker 1: in that Black Duran Durant. Of course, of course Tony,
Speaker 1: couple other guys. It's like the Great is the super Friends.
Speaker 1: I still seem he ended up in Amsterdam. Yeah he
Speaker 1: had it. Yeah, he's got a Dutch lady and kids
Speaker 1: and yeah, you know Mike Tyler, he's playing with l Mama,
Speaker 1: said Knock you out the blonde hug. Yeah, it's so weird,
Speaker 1: like clear jabe no, no real talk. Okay, So when
Speaker 1: I have done this, that's for real. That's why did
Speaker 1: you date? Because the best. Here's the thing though, when
Speaker 1: I inducted LLL at the Kennedy Center Honors, right and
Speaker 1: total audience, straight up. The reason why I use secret,
Speaker 1: it's because ll you said that in one of all
Speaker 1: those people it was my Chappelle leafed his asso. But
Speaker 1: it's true because secret keeps you dry. And it's like, up, hey,
Speaker 1: secret made for that question, that little sexy octopus. I
Speaker 1: can't anyway you're really taking it? Tell me so, okay,
Speaker 1: looking for a week years ago Hungry Games, how did
Speaker 1: that come about? I loved you in that role. I
Speaker 1: got a phone call. That's it. It's that simple. I
Speaker 1: didn't audition. I got a phone call. Well, Gary, you
Speaker 1: got a great phone. Just wait, how do people get
Speaker 1: your number? The director saw pressure. I just like I
Speaker 1: had like a day to like I was on tour
Speaker 1: at least, like just coming for a day. Just this
Speaker 1: little part. You could do it in a day. And
Speaker 1: I came in and did that. And then the director
Speaker 1: of Hunger Games saw that and just like I'm doing
Speaker 1: this movie it's called Hunger Games, just these books and
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know anything about it. And then I
Speaker 1: had to go get the book and read it and
Speaker 1: then and I was like, okay, I'll I'll do it,
Speaker 1: like having no idea it was going to be like
Speaker 1: a phenomenon, but after doing pressures and all that emotion
Speaker 1: and stuff that it took that role like Hunger Games
Speaker 1: must have been like okay, no, but it was cool.
Speaker 1: It was actually that we rehearsed a little bit the scenes.
Speaker 1: It was it was I mean, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there doing scenes with Jennifer Lawrence and all these folks.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was. It was cool. It was different
Speaker 1: with your new the movie that you're almost doing Negrophilia.
Speaker 1: Are you acting in that? I shall be yes, okay,
Speaker 1: directing as well or just quite possibly. Okay, did you
Speaker 1: read it? No? I mean I came up with like
Speaker 1: the story, but I'm having a writer, a proper writer.
Speaker 1: Really we're trying to get much out of Yeah, that's it. No,
Speaker 1: I just really did you as an actor? Man? I like,
Speaker 1: thank you more of it? Thank you? And you said
Speaker 1: how easy it was for Hunger Games to get you.
Speaker 1: But how did Lee Daniels get you for that role
Speaker 1: for that movie at the time? Phone, he said, But
Speaker 1: that role wasn't simple enough. Just to telephone came for me,
Speaker 1: A little messaging in the bottle, Yes, Atlantic Star, I was.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, Mr Telephone Man by New Edition. That's
Speaker 1: Mary Parker Jr. You're you're, You're, you're error lank Stars,
Speaker 1: secret lovers. But this this is the and M for
Speaker 1: Barbara Weathers before their black period. This is like your heart, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if your heart isn't in it the back part man. Okay,
Speaker 1: So anyway, well you asked him, Oh, Lee Daniels. So
Speaker 1: I was having dinner one night at Mr. Chio and
Speaker 1: here's some old school I'm sitting I'm sitting at Baskias
Speaker 1: table up on the top there where they already thinking.
Speaker 1: And Lee Daniels is sitting across the room with Julian Schnabel,
Speaker 1: the artist and director. Painter and director. Julian brings him
Speaker 1: over because I've known Julian Well, I met Julian million
Speaker 1: years ago. I actually was supposed to play basket Yard
Speaker 1: in that movie, but I turned it down, right. Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Wright was genius, but here's here's what happened. I had
Speaker 1: just gotten off the Let Love Rule. Now we're going
Speaker 1: another story. I had just gotten out of the off
Speaker 1: of the Let Love Rule tour, and Julian was like,
Speaker 1: I'm making this movie about John Michelle. I want you
Speaker 1: to play John Michelle. I'm gonna come over and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start teaching you how to paint. And da da
Speaker 1: da da da dath. I was living in the building
Speaker 1: with this guy Shangy, who is a character in the
Speaker 1: movie who um was one of John Michelle's friends, and
Speaker 1: he was just like, you know, you can't do this
Speaker 1: the scripted. But I loved Julian and it was just
Speaker 1: like because I knew him, and I just and and
Speaker 1: I had just come off from my tour and I
Speaker 1: was trying to become Lenny Kravis. I was trying to
Speaker 1: become myself, and I felt like I didn't want to
Speaker 1: play somebody else. Not only that John Michelle's girlfriend who
Speaker 1: was best friends with my old friend and the one
Speaker 1: who found him dead, right, she had some things. It
Speaker 1: just was the whole thing I was too close to.
Speaker 1: All that was a side note and shameless plug I
Speaker 1: talked about well, I didn't know that. Hell yeah, because
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you were the person they talked about.
Speaker 1: Her name was Kelly, a girl who is Johnny Chelsea.
Speaker 1: But okay, So, but I talked about Julian because David
Speaker 1: and Julian sort of had words about each other. David
Speaker 1: I talked about Uh Bowie because he played he played right,
Speaker 1: he played Andrew Worl. But yeah, I chameless plug. I
Speaker 1: talked about Julian uh and uh Creative Quest my fourth book,
Speaker 1: Creative Quests. So the Lee came over, Lee Daniels. Julian
Speaker 1: Charon brings Lee over. Lee wants to meet you. Lee.
Speaker 1: It's like I've been trying to get you. I've been
Speaker 1: trying to find you. I wanted you to be in
Speaker 1: Monster's Ball, and I didn't getting a phone call. I can't.
Speaker 1: Nobody called me back. Your people. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. So he he wanted to I really
Speaker 1: he was, but I knew nothing about him reaching out
Speaker 1: to me. I had seen those films, yes, but um,
Speaker 1: and then there was a movie that he wanted me
Speaker 1: to star in that was this really hardcore movie that
Speaker 1: he never ended up making because it was soup for
Speaker 1: me to say, Lee thought it was extra hardcore, tells
Speaker 1: you how hardcore was Hane crazy? Hardcore crazy and life
Speaker 1: and anyway, So he's like, until we make this movie,
Speaker 1: why don't you just come and play this part? And
Speaker 1: then again in The Butler. We never ended up making
Speaker 1: this film that I was supposed to start. But he
Speaker 1: got me to do what he wanted me to do,
Speaker 1: what he wanted me to do. But um, but it
Speaker 1: was great. Man. I got to work in these films
Speaker 1: and you know, Lenny, Yeah, I'm a guy. The greatest
Speaker 1: night of my life. Okay, do you remember the dinner
Speaker 1: remember after you saw The Butler for the first time,
Speaker 1: and the dinner that we went to at the Japanese
Speaker 1: restaurant at end? Yes, who was that lawyer who was telling?
Speaker 1: Was that your friend? Or was that Cuba Gooding? Who
Speaker 1: was that Cuba's friend? That is the most mac Like,
Speaker 1: I can't this is what I learned this night, so
Speaker 1: the entire Yes, he's the great. I need that guy almost.
Speaker 1: I gotta find Cuba. You wouldn't even know he was
Speaker 1: this big like defense lawyer, Like you think I love
Speaker 1: I don't know his name? Do you think I love
Speaker 1: telling stories? This guy was born to tell his story
Speaker 1: like he he deserves to be at any dinner party whatsoever.
Speaker 1: The entire Butler cast just watches. That was your first
Speaker 1: time I'm seeing complete Okay, so they all saw the
Speaker 1: complete Butler whatever, and Zoey and I were at and
Speaker 1: and she tells them like, you know, Dad's gonna join us,
Speaker 1: And they were all sitting that a little booth in
Speaker 1: the back we got was three but then it was
Speaker 1: like three thousand people, so everyone came. So what I
Speaker 1: learned this night was one the way that Forest Whittaker.
Speaker 1: It takes Forest Whittaker two months to prepare for role
Speaker 1: to get into character. So if there's an accent or
Speaker 1: you know whatever, it is physically exactly, I think the
Speaker 1: time before he was just I mean Scotland, right. So
Speaker 1: the thing was he couldn't join us at the dinner
Speaker 1: because he literally his process of getting rid of a
Speaker 1: character is crying. So he had a hood he had
Speaker 1: he had a hoodie on and some dark glasses and
Speaker 1: he's not the Butler anymore. He was done. So once
Speaker 1: he saw the movie and the only way for him
Speaker 1: to become Fest Whittaker again, he walked from where's the
Speaker 1: restaurant like in in downtown Rebecca. So he walked from
Speaker 1: he walked from Tribeca all the way to Harlem, and
Speaker 1: he said every films, it's not even like cheesecas. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: but this is amazing to me because he's such as
Speaker 1: he's such a method actor that the only way for
Speaker 1: him to come back down to being Forest Whittaker again
Speaker 1: is he has to physically boo in in sob the
Speaker 1: character out. So he walks. So that's why he couldn't
Speaker 1: join it for dinner. But Cuba came came and he
Speaker 1: was down. He was always down, Dude, I need Cuba
Speaker 1: and his lawyer on the show to talk shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever her thoughts of the story. I mean at the
Speaker 1: time he was dealing with Lindsay Lohan and appearances and
Speaker 1: the thing like, I only heard his side of the conversation,
Speaker 1: and I realized that, uh, because she was in court
Speaker 1: every week, that's the only way for her to really
Speaker 1: generate any sort of like hide money monetary action was
Speaker 1: the weird designers to court. So it would be waaying,
Speaker 1: what no, well, Gucci, no, no, no, no no, We'll
Speaker 1: call me back when you can work and then you
Speaker 1: tell this like we were there for four hours. I
Speaker 1: thought it was your boy, Cuba's boy. Yeah. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: guy doesn't look like a lawyer, looks like one of
Speaker 1: the beastie boys when he's not in got a calf
Speaker 1: and you know, New York kid. But yeah, Lenny, I
Speaker 1: gotta ask you something before we stop. Uh you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm realizing now that your entire story has definitely affected
Speaker 1: my career just based on whatever you're associated with back then,
Speaker 1: rippling and like whatever, but the one move you did
Speaker 1: that definitely affected my career and I'm so happy about
Speaker 1: I got one thing up on yeah, mm, which is
Speaker 1: your design business? And first of all, where did this
Speaker 1: come from? Like you wanting to like you're the most
Speaker 1: buzzed about, spoken about and talked about furniture designer, art
Speaker 1: deco person. I've ever like the way they talk about
Speaker 1: you at at at Sandow and Culture and Commerce mm
Speaker 1: hmm is crazy to me. But what I want to
Speaker 1: know is you and I were in the audience of
Speaker 1: the same time when this happened. So we're in an
Speaker 1: audience during a legendary Kanye Brant Oh that which one right, right? Right? Okay?
Speaker 1: So basically no, he didn't know I was there. I
Speaker 1: know this. I had just landed in New York, decided
Speaker 1: to go, went through the back door Master Square guard.
Speaker 1: He had no idea I was there. I know this.
Speaker 1: And the thing was when I walked by you like
Speaker 1: once once, it was like twenty five minutes, I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta go. So I walked and Chris Rock was
Speaker 1: there too. What do you do? He wasn't. Who's that
Speaker 1: with about to say? Stringer Bill, y'all just so cool?
Speaker 1: Drop another name? I don't know, it don't matter it
Speaker 1: just anybody. I mean, Kanye isn't down, so everybody. But
Speaker 1: I didn't see you. I didn't see you right now.
Speaker 1: You were sitting he was right, And so I walked
Speaker 1: past you and then and looked at you. You gotta
Speaker 1: made me a drop of name song and we and
Speaker 1: we strugged at each other's wife. Yeah, and we strugged
Speaker 1: at each other. And but what you don't know is
Speaker 1: that is what I said it in the motion. All right,
Speaker 1: here's the deal. Like Culture and Climate, I became the
Speaker 1: original Nick in Paris that night. Yes, what I want
Speaker 1: to know is number one, how long have you been
Speaker 1: working with culture and commerce and sand for years? But this,
Speaker 1: this whole thing started back in those lofts in New
Speaker 1: York City, my first album. I didn't have money to
Speaker 1: buy furniture. I didn't have money to decorate, but I
Speaker 1: loved vibe and ambiance and you know, creating that whole thing.
Speaker 1: So in Soho at that time, you know, when I
Speaker 1: was living in Soho, and in I mean Soho was
Speaker 1: Broom Street was kind of nasty. We had rats, we
Speaker 1: got a bunch of my friends got got held up
Speaker 1: a knife point in my building. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: it was that kind of it was all artists spotting
Speaker 1: around and um, so I would anyway. I would find
Speaker 1: furniture on the street and remake it and and make
Speaker 1: stuff and it do I want? Do you? Shelec sounds
Speaker 1: like a personal question. So, um, what what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is the last time you asked that? Do you not select?
Speaker 1: I mean, but just as far as because when some
Speaker 1: people listen to me, when people design, they're not hands
Speaker 1: on designers. They don't select, they don't whittle, they don't
Speaker 1: they outsourced. He's like, like, I know what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you don't get a comment. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that you actually do the designing you you know,
Speaker 1: he yeah, you can. You hands not a license thing.
Speaker 1: You just take my name and then just throw it
Speaker 1: on exactly moment. That's what I'm trying to get with, right,
Speaker 1: And so at his well, I know that Latifa was
Speaker 1: your first major Well that was the first, well I've
Speaker 1: never done a set before. That was the first, the
Speaker 1: original QLs. But I mean we've been doing hotels and
Speaker 1: condos and products, and you know for the long you know,
Speaker 1: from a you know, a role es date toned to
Speaker 1: a like a camera to this that working with late
Speaker 1: Star did they come did they come to you? They
Speaker 1: came to you first? Correct? So that's the thing. So
Speaker 1: basically this twenty five minute rent was and which ran
Speaker 1: is this which was basically about how he wanted to
Speaker 1: manage design. He was basically just saying, like, you know
Speaker 1: the whole like, let me design hotels. I wanted to
Speaker 1: that one. The thing was he had been trying to
Speaker 1: break into a particular firm, this firm mhm uh to
Speaker 1: use him. And by the way, is he not killing
Speaker 1: it Like with with the shoes, he wants more, he
Speaker 1: wants more, He wants more from Jolly Murphy white Wall
Speaker 1: I forgot about that wall, a white wall. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and they they didn't take his phone calls, mainly because
Speaker 1: it's a week come to you, you don't come to us.
Speaker 1: But how did I get I don't remember how it started?
Speaker 1: Remember what the thing is? You remember how it started?
Speaker 1: You don't because you don't know your buzz yo. Like
Speaker 1: for for all of us crabs in the pot, we
Speaker 1: know that you broke to the other side for you
Speaker 1: to design for culture and commerce. That's some secret illuminati.
Speaker 1: Damn you. I didn't so okay, I rarely, I mean
Speaker 1: I might spoil a roots project or whatever. But half
Speaker 1: a time when like some it like oh I didn't
Speaker 1: know you wrote a book. I just really like to
Speaker 1: make sure some ship is done before I say ahead
Speaker 1: of time. Oh you know next year, IM gonna have
Speaker 1: a book coming out DA. But I mean I will
Speaker 1: say that once you once you were with that firm,
Speaker 1: I I took a meeting with him, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: got I got it started. It started telling about it
Speaker 1: started with Philip start because he came and saw my
Speaker 1: work in Paris and he's like, you need to be
Speaker 1: doing this for real. And I was like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? He's like, you're really good. I like what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I see it. I feel like this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hook you up with my people. That's what happened.
Speaker 1: And then Philip start ushered me in. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: did he come to the apartment be like you designed
Speaker 1: playing in my house and he looked at everything. You
Speaker 1: look at the furniture I made, look at the design,
Speaker 1: look at all the stuff, the wallpaper we've made. He
Speaker 1: looked at everything, and he was just like, really like,
Speaker 1: you need to be doing this. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I do it, but he was he looked
Speaker 1: at me like, no, you need to do this. You
Speaker 1: should be doing this for real. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: hook up with my people. That was it sex thing
Speaker 1: I got, you know, I mean Releach start you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of minded the way that you didn't super
Speaker 1: pimpot like the secret It's known in the design world
Speaker 1: what a monster you are, Like, I mean, have you
Speaker 1: been up for awards or any of that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But we've got great projects. Do you have an official titles?
Speaker 1: For the longest, it was like, no one knew what
Speaker 1: you're going to call yours? Gravis Design for name of
Speaker 1: the company yeah. Yeah, we have an office on Crosby Street.
Speaker 1: And you said there is an everyday person like lying
Speaker 1: situation that if they wanted to have a do you
Speaker 1: have some thank you one day? And we did? We
Speaker 1: we did, we did. I did a line for CB
Speaker 1: two that's not part of their permanent yeah thing, which
Speaker 1: is that's accessible. You're gonna get where is pa? Thank you? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just getting to a someone busted. Are just that ikea?
Speaker 1: But I'm ready to what's up? Anything? You want to
Speaker 1: make it for you? Sorry? Let me please. She put
Speaker 1: the jacket on like it don't matter no more. He said,
Speaker 1: the jacket glance. You don't between that last minute. But
Speaker 1: if I take it off, it's like those glans are
Speaker 1: not a pro. I do want to because I want
Speaker 1: to say I just spoke and I thought it was
Speaker 1: Paul Shaffer. I thought I thought he pushed just like him. Bro,
Speaker 1: that's a compliment. I think I can't. I thought he
Speaker 1: pushed the button. Let me. I just want to say,
Speaker 1: I'll take you up on your offer because I just
Speaker 1: moved into a new place, so don't make jokes. I
Speaker 1: moved to Hollywood, Hollywood, Hollywood. Are you living in l a. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a long story, because that's a problem at all.
Speaker 1: Take ship. I mean, no, no, no, I just thought
Speaker 1: we were all. I thought this was a New York
Speaker 1: crew here sound especially I'm from day and then kind
Speaker 1: of raising Phillyward High School across the street at Bannocker Clark, Atlanta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is about to be the most fun show
Speaker 1: there is. I was about to say, because you actually
Speaker 1: let us do a double episode, that's all I want
Speaker 1: to shout out to Carl and Donovan is like, what
Speaker 1: the I appreciate this man. I was waiting for the
Speaker 1: food to come out, and you know we would. We
Speaker 1: tried that the first episode with my routol and we
Speaker 1: all fell sleep. You know, culinary, you know I used
Speaker 1: to feed, but then like we should have a seed here.
Speaker 1: It was behold like stole thing back there, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I just have a private chef. Guys in from over
Speaker 1: the world. I love food, you know, that's the whole
Speaker 1: thing too. So yeah, you know, boss, I need us
Speaker 1: eat it on the air because people will be tuning
Speaker 1: in the microphone. We can do it maybe during it.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, I used to eat his chicken.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. The picture of you with them. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how we did take a picture. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: early Instagram days. You're there the ground floor. Are you
Speaker 1: like vegan now or I go through well? Last year
Speaker 1: I was raw, raw vegan. Yeah, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: how can you still looking with a teenager? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need to know. I'm going nutritionus number, trainer's number.
Speaker 1: Do you know what gaming weight is? Or having a
Speaker 1: stomach or because I gotta launch you back, launch you
Speaker 1: back off season, I can you know, have a little fun.
Speaker 1: But you know, like do you work out like you
Speaker 1: just seem like I do. I work stuck in a
Speaker 1: teenage work out and I eat clean. You know if
Speaker 1: you could, would you just retire and get fat? There's
Speaker 1: a side of me. See, there's a big inside of me.
Speaker 1: You don't know. You don't understand. You don't know. I understand.
Speaker 1: Her name is Mabel. I can get like I would
Speaker 1: shock you if I was just saying like like forget
Speaker 1: about it, like like let's just go. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I can do it, So I keep I keep her
Speaker 1: at bay. Speaking of running, Speaking of running and jogging
Speaker 1: and working out, what happened that day in Miami with
Speaker 1: the cops. Oh bank robber man. That's the song I
Speaker 1: ended up on that record. Yeah. I was jogging in
Speaker 1: Miami and outside of my neighborhood just a little bit,
Speaker 1: and a bank had been robbed at that time. And
Speaker 1: I was wearing like army fatigues and a T shirt.
Speaker 1: And apparently the guy who robbed a bank was wearing
Speaker 1: army fatigues and a T shirt. And I got guns
Speaker 1: to my fara, four or five six cars, guns pointed,
Speaker 1: pulled out me and my boy jogging. It was like,
Speaker 1: froz that that wasn't the first I've had guns in
Speaker 1: my head before. Did you say, dude, I'm Lenny Kravitz. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't say No, he's and and my the guy
Speaker 1: who's running with me is like he works with me
Speaker 1: and the security too, and he's like kind of child like.
Speaker 1: He's like, um, look at him, did you see who?
Speaker 1: Not that it matters. I could robbed a bank, right,
Speaker 1: but they were and they were doing the thing where
Speaker 1: so they had like five six cars guns drawn. We're
Speaker 1: sitting there against the car they're waiting to drive the
Speaker 1: woman who's like eighty from the bank. If it's me
Speaker 1: and all I'm seeing is like the Hurricane movie and yeah,
Speaker 1: this one. And I was just like, oh God, and
Speaker 1: she drove by. I saw her drive by slow, She's
Speaker 1: looking out the window. And they left me and then
Speaker 1: they find out who I was, and then it was
Speaker 1: a whole I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so
Speaker 1: sorry that. Yeah, but this is definitely gonna be your
Speaker 1: fifty million dollar wall seat. I just didn't want to
Speaker 1: get shot. You're not thinking about none of that stuff?
Speaker 1: Flow rider. Wow, I'm sorry. Yeah, you did the thing
Speaker 1: for the Chris Rock Show, right, that's right? Can I
Speaker 1: get a copy of what's alright? So? What questions are
Speaker 1: we going to to text each other that we forgot
Speaker 1: to ask? We did for ness of parodies, we did designs,
Speaker 1: we did the acting. Oh I got one, I got one.
Speaker 1: Um in the eighties, what were the alternative black people
Speaker 1: listening too? I've always wanted that, like, aside from like
Speaker 1: Fishbone and Bad Brains, like what other black musicians that
Speaker 1: was kind of that was just kind of a Fishbone,
Speaker 1: Bad Babs of course, Bob Marley, but everybody was listening
Speaker 1: by mine? What were you listening to? The Trouble Funky
Speaker 1: travel Funk. I used to go to them shows? Man?
Speaker 1: What used to go to the Palladium? Race Jones? Did
Speaker 1: you name my five albums yet? No? He didn't. He's
Speaker 1: got one. I had that written down first. Well, you
Speaker 1: asked me during the time I was making that level lu,
Speaker 1: But what are your five albums of life? That's hard man? Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the name everyone gets because we're going
Speaker 1: to close on those. Did you ask, Oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I got Almos anything anything, anything? Okay, let love
Speaker 1: Rule Time. What were your five albums? Inter Visions? Okay,
Speaker 1: Talking Book, Access, Bold is Love Yah. Um, that's three? Um? Wow?
Speaker 1: What else was I listening to at that time? Oh?
Speaker 1: Bob Marley, um uh, Catch a Fire, Um, Pink Floyd,
Speaker 1: Dark Side at the Moon. Okay, Now it's a sub question.
Speaker 1: Who what did you get him to after you were
Speaker 1: Lenny Kravitz as in like late in the game, mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't grow up on the Beatles. My dad
Speaker 1: had it, but I was like whatever. But then after
Speaker 1: a billion Paul's boutique samples that I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, and then I got into the Beetles.
Speaker 1: But who's the one artist that we'd be shocked that
Speaker 1: you got into after the age of That's a good question. Um, well,
Speaker 1: the one thing that I mentioned did John Lennon solo
Speaker 1: material knew nothing about it? Knew nothing about it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, last ding. Your entire uh Bahamas Barhamas are
Speaker 1: permuter Bahamas. Okay, entire state in the Bahamas is on fire. Okay,
Speaker 1: what five things are you saving? Mm hmmm not all
Speaker 1: human beings are already out? My gold top les Paul,
Speaker 1: that's been on every record since probably gonna go my way.
Speaker 1: It's my number one studio guitar uh to this day. Yep,
Speaker 1: I'm still there. Um what else is going? Let's see,
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot there. Um, it's mostly gear,
Speaker 1: so everything in my house. I'm well, I got a
Speaker 1: Paul Evans console that's in my house. Can you carry that? Wait?
Speaker 1: Another bucket list question that's got I want that the
Speaker 1: Beatles time out. The Beatles board on the beach. Was
Speaker 1: that some real ship or just some meet up ship? No,
Speaker 1: it was there for years. I heard a story that
Speaker 1: you found an old Beatles board. No, No, I I
Speaker 1: owned the Beatles. I owned the Abbey Road equipment that
Speaker 1: the four track, the two track, and the tape machine.
Speaker 1: Your mom is like, we gotta get down. Question I
Speaker 1: swear the last question. Yeah, I I own the beat
Speaker 1: Since since are you gonna go? My way? Still use
Speaker 1: that board? I just sold it. Why it's a Beatles board,
Speaker 1: you know why? It was just I wasn't using it
Speaker 1: so much anymore. I have other Beetle inputs, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, it's sitting here, and somebody
Speaker 1: offered me a lot of bread for it. There you go,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You know. Sometimes you got just move
Speaker 1: things around, all right? So your goal is Paul, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Paul Evan's console out of my house. Um. I have
Speaker 1: a collection of gold records in my studio that are
Speaker 1: from famous artists. These are pop culture artifacts. So I've
Speaker 1: got Hendricks. I've got Hendricks only made four albums. I
Speaker 1: have two of his Goal records. I have from Access, Boldness,
Speaker 1: Love and are You Experience. I have Slides records. I
Speaker 1: have Beatle records. I have Icontina records. I have Chain
Speaker 1: of Fools. Uh, you know a wreath. I've got the Who.
Speaker 1: I have a whole collection like these are the ones
Speaker 1: that are awarded to those to those people, but they
Speaker 1: don't have many more and they got So that's four
Speaker 1: things and then uh, the fifth thing would be uh,
Speaker 1: I have the working lyrics to Sergeant Pepper's when Paul
Speaker 1: wrote it, Wow, Mike, motherfucking drop right and behalf boss
Speaker 1: Bill Sugar Steve Fantigolo and it's like, let thank you
Speaker 1: everything life, yes right here, yes, ah, this is gonna
Speaker 1: They're gonna hear all this part. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Jimmy jam gave us an extra four hours seventh and
Speaker 1: he still asked me for like, you know, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. We'll come back in a few months when
Speaker 1: I get back in New York and we'll do three
Speaker 1: and four. I gotta hear a tour stories. Thank you
Speaker 1: finished the rest of the album, and we'll hear what's
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, we're still waiting for the blackout love
Speaker 1: that title. It's Philia time right now. Anyway. This is
Speaker 1: Quest Love new album, Question Love Supreme. Wait wait when
Speaker 1: is the apration? When is it out? Yes? September, September, September,
Speaker 1: be honest, September. Man, all right, thank you very much,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Good night, ladies and gentlemen. This Question Love,
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