WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Lenny Kravitz (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen. We talked so much about Lenny Kravitz's

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<v Speaker 1>life in Part one of Course Love Supreme Interview with

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<v Speaker 1>Lenny Kravitz. Uh So check that episode out and now

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<v Speaker 1>here's part two of our exclusive two part interview with

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<v Speaker 1>a great Lenny Kravitz of Course Love Supreme. So when

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<v Speaker 1>you got to Mama said, Mama said, was a complete

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to what was going on. That's one, at least

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<v Speaker 1>at myself mine too. It might be of the old ones,

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<v Speaker 1>might be my favorite. Is it hard for you to? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm saying, is that the type of album where

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, you're done with it? And that's well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>done with every album when it's done. I'm done with everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Once it's finished, I'm onto the next. But um, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that record, and uh I don't regret a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, But the pressure of you still singing like

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<v Speaker 1>in it over till it's over, Like in your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>is she's still the target of that song? Like can you?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's her song, you know. And it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting because I mean, we're we're best friends. We're

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<v Speaker 1>back to brother and sister, we're best friends. I'm with

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<v Speaker 1>her kids, her husband were all together. Everybody's it's one

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<v Speaker 1>big family, which is the way it should be. But

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<v Speaker 1>she came to She hadn't been to a show in

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<v Speaker 1>a million years since we were together. She had not

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<v Speaker 1>been to a show, and she came to a show

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<v Speaker 1>on the Struck tour, and she was with Zoe. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's the first time Zoe's seen her mom at my show.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's all of us and I'm singing these songs.

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<v Speaker 1>I my mama said that her. Your mama wasn't at

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<v Speaker 1>the show too in New York. Yes, were you there

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<v Speaker 1>at the Webster? Yes, and we're doing those clubs. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the first time she saw you? Yes, in the

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<v Speaker 1>second Yes, I want but she it was I looked up.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't. I didn't know if I looked up, and

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<v Speaker 1>I saw I was watching her hands and both of

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<v Speaker 1>them with this look on their face. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful because it was it was the first for all

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<v Speaker 1>of us, right, And then I guess towards the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the show, they actually ran out, went to the

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<v Speaker 1>to the DELI went to the shop and got flowers

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<v Speaker 1>and were throwing flowers at the stage. It was a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was beautiful. I had hoped for a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>because I was, you know, watching her like I was

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<v Speaker 1>turning on to freaker out, but I kept watching her

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<v Speaker 1>like watching I was like, Yo, she's really engaged in this.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know you remember that moment where like interrupted

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<v Speaker 1>the right you want a different world. Why do you

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<v Speaker 1>see what we're dealing with here? I mean I was

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<v Speaker 1>on that. I was on that it. No, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really cool to see how amicable. So no,

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<v Speaker 1>the record is is a beautiful memory and I have

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<v Speaker 1>no problem with those songs. Are singing him or what was?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I ask what was her reaction to first hearing it? Then? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. At that point it was it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like that. So it wasn't like you finished it,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not you know. Yeah. It was more more than

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<v Speaker 1>anything in the world. Was that one was a state

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<v Speaker 1>of depression. There was a two week period where I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't sleep where I was. I had had a guy

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<v Speaker 1>living with me, like just watching me like I was

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<v Speaker 1>ready to jump out the window. It was bad. I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't sleeping, I wasn't eating. You can hear that shit

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<v Speaker 1>in your voice. That song was cut on a on

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<v Speaker 1>a what was it called Porter Studio. It was caught

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<v Speaker 1>on the Porter Studio on a cassette the track, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I and then I and then I went

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<v Speaker 1>to Waterfront and then I over did the overdubs. But

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<v Speaker 1>we started on a cassette in this room and this

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<v Speaker 1>laft that man, I was gone, that that song was

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<v Speaker 1>the was was the deepest period of that record for

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<v Speaker 1>me emotionally, which was more than anything in this world.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of I'm glad you said that because I've

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<v Speaker 1>been trying to figure out it was the drum sound

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<v Speaker 1>for that. Let's just buy a four track already or

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<v Speaker 1>dig one out of your eighteen stories. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's the Alessies, the little Gray Alessies, a little

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<v Speaker 1>flat one, the curve, that drum machine with the tape slap.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, yeah, the reason why I knew that it

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<v Speaker 1>was real because you you sang so dry on it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just like some fifty seven line around the apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you're saying no, but even your vocal like you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't put you didn't do any inflections on it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like yo, and I was cheering for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to this ship. It was because when I heard it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know one of those songs, you know, one of

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<v Speaker 1>those songs you can just got rewind over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had the cassette, so you know, I get

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<v Speaker 1>the anything. Yeah. Yeah, And then like I wore that

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<v Speaker 1>tape out and I was just like, all right, Lenny,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in this performance. You gotta. I felt if

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<v Speaker 1>you did a video, no, actually you probably went to

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<v Speaker 1>jail and you gotta restrain in order. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta say anything this song. You gotta set up

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<v Speaker 1>on her lorn recording the video that's called harassment because

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<v Speaker 1>you know why is that street harassment? That's a real thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But let me ask this because you you were straight honest,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's great as a fan, like people appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>that you had the first album that was about falling

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<v Speaker 1>in love and then you had the other album that was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, about the opposite. And I guess as an artist,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're sitting there writing this album, you're going through

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<v Speaker 1>all your emotions. You're like, I gotta get to shut

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<v Speaker 1>out and get it out. But then you put the

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<v Speaker 1>album out and you have to do promo and press

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<v Speaker 1>around it, right, So yeah, like, how do you do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and at what point? And even now, like, I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>grateful that you are open and you're still not tired

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<v Speaker 1>of talking about this chapter because it's important to your

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<v Speaker 1>love it. On the tour now, I'm singing songs that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing saying by my Woman and different songs from

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<v Speaker 1>that album. I mean, but how do you do that? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you do the promo off of these albums?

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<v Speaker 1>Too different? Well, then I'm sure it was a different thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but now they're just these like beautiful memories you know

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<v Speaker 1>in parts of my life that you know, Um, they're

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<v Speaker 1>still there. How did how did you? Were you disappointing

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<v Speaker 1>that black radio didn't really pick up one in over

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<v Speaker 1>till its obver because I felt, I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 1>The TV started playing the ship out on the charts

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<v Speaker 1>that went number so the pop would have been that

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<v Speaker 1>straight pop that was number two with a bullet because uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what's his name? Had that Robin Hood song? That would

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<v Speaker 1>not they had that. They had that movie money and

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<v Speaker 1>I sat id number two with a bullet three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>and they put that last bit of money on that

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<v Speaker 1>thing as four number three. Um, so I went number two.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it did on the R and

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<v Speaker 1>B charts. I don't even did they even did they

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<v Speaker 1>even promoted to not to say that Black radio couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>just picked it up, but did they even sell it promoted?

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<v Speaker 1>Black radio always used to kind of be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's nice, you know, like I go do promotion. Did

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<v Speaker 1>they send you to Jack the Rapper or the rapper?

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<v Speaker 1>Prince Prince did Jack the Rapper? R and B people?

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<v Speaker 1>Did Jack company Kevin Hart so much? My kids? No,

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<v Speaker 1>no b R E, no Gavin, no Jack the Rapper.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing b r A sounds familiar. That was black

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<v Speaker 1>radio X wasn't. But it was like I would go.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did do Soul Train, yeah, the right, because

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<v Speaker 1>we loved it. But it was always like all right, great,

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<v Speaker 1>could do an interview joke and then it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll play it twice. That's how that's yours. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. That it went number ten on R. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not bad because we knew, we knew he existed,

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<v Speaker 1>we knew we loved the music. We just didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>we couldn't. It was just not what they wanted. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never I guess besides that, I don't know, I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. But black radio. You know you're big

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<v Speaker 1>on Russian jew radio. What's thet st with with with

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna go My way? Um and things? Totally breaking this?

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, how did it happen? Now? How did

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<v Speaker 1>you finally break the ceiling into one track? First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>who knew that that track had nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>Hit Records Radio? No dude, it did. But post Team Spirit,

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<v Speaker 1>adrenaline rock was still a thing. It just felt. It

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<v Speaker 1>felt like a locomotive train. I didn't see it, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see it coming. We cut the track. We

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<v Speaker 1>cut that track in five minutes because of the state,

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<v Speaker 1>because another session was coming in. I was still on

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<v Speaker 1>that tip even on my third album. The next session

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<v Speaker 1>was coming in. I couldn't even block that out. There's

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<v Speaker 1>some there's some great feeling Games taught us called the

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<v Speaker 1>alpha state, where when you don't overthink ship and and

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<v Speaker 1>don't and you just do it and don't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're like this and the next clients in the lounge

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like it's getting that thing where we're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of five minutes over there thing and they get and

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<v Speaker 1>we're in there. Da da damn that puts your subconscious

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<v Speaker 1>in the state of perfection that you're not even aware of.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I had the track. I went home, wrote

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<v Speaker 1>the lyric and the melody because it was just a jam.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea of melody. Wrote these words, wrote

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<v Speaker 1>that sang it. It was like, Okay, record comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>They just said it's gonna be a single. They're working

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<v Speaker 1>it and working it and working it, trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>it happen. Weeks going by, nothing's happening. I think big

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<v Speaker 1>part of the success of that song was the visual

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<v Speaker 1>I met um Well, not well that, yeah, Cindy begin

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<v Speaker 1>came out of it, but but um marc Romanic, the director.

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<v Speaker 1>I met him, threw Jeff Earroff, who signed me, and

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<v Speaker 1>we took a walk on the East River and talked

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<v Speaker 1>about let's make a video and the space and then

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<v Speaker 1>and the light and then then that came. Then MTV

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to play it. They're pushing and pushing. Not

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<v Speaker 1>at first, you gotta like work and get it on

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, and then the slow thing and then and

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<v Speaker 1>then you were already already pretty established. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>it was it didn't happen right away. They worked that

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<v Speaker 1>record for But when it was about to go away,

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<v Speaker 1>it was about to be done, and something happened and

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<v Speaker 1>then just went blam and that was hit. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that was it? Yeah, but it was a moment. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a moment. It almost didn't happen. Damn, Wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to go to that show you I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>You produced one of my favorite records, Vanessa Paradis debut. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're so smart. You always you always get it backchally okaysa.

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<v Speaker 1>I was producing Vanessa's album at the same time, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was Vanessa waiting to come to her session, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was her session, but I had to still work

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<v Speaker 1>right but she was ready to then come in it

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<v Speaker 1>was her time, and it was like she can't hear

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<v Speaker 1>this well, it was kind of like we were cutting tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>I was cutting tracks for her that obviously would have

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<v Speaker 1>been too too hard for her. But when I when

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<v Speaker 1>we first were cutting it, I didn't know who it

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<v Speaker 1>was for. I was doing my stuff and I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing Vanessa's at the same time, so it was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just hurry up and just take this one home. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So that record was made at the same time. Hoboken. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>all of that was in Hoboken. Yeah, the Vanessa Parity

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<v Speaker 1>Record and are you gonna come out? I did everything

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<v Speaker 1>up to Circus in there. Circus was part of New York,

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<v Speaker 1>part Bahamas. Yeah, and wait we're in Hoboken. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was a building called the Della Quilla Building was it's

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<v Speaker 1>fifteenth in Washington and it was this big ugly brown

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<v Speaker 1>and yellow yellow windows, spray painted sweat shop. Factory people people,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're making purses and sweaters and ship still now

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fabulous condominium everything. Yeah, damn. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>waterfront Yeah. Wait, so the T Building that is it now?

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<v Speaker 1>The T Building, I don't know what it's at the

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<v Speaker 1>end that he didn't wash. It's at the end, that

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<v Speaker 1>big building. And they used to be like a smoke stack.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's gone. Are still there? But yeah, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>okay you skipped over. You have a change. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>my number one question about it, yes, why did they

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<v Speaker 1>not clear security of the first world? Because I just

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<v Speaker 1>chucked like do you feel a certain way? He was

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<v Speaker 1>like no, you know what, I don't care. We had

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<v Speaker 1>a thing for a minute. They were like they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna come after you. And I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you sampled it from this and added and then I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know it, but is the version of drummer? Right?

0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I forgot the original sample. It's no, no, it's Iom

0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to do funky drummer on the drum machine. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>But once I got the yeah, I recognized what Joanna

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<v Speaker 1>came from because there's a cowboy in there. It's just yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. So at the time, like, uh, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>was in the studio doing this thing, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>this guy with me, um who I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>play the drums or do something, but they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the mics together. So I was like, I just need

0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.120
<v Speaker 1>a beat. That's kind of like this I needed. And

0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.920
<v Speaker 1>this guy gave me the beat. I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know what it was. He's just like, here,

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<v Speaker 1>use this, and I was like, oh, ship, that's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's great, right, And then I put

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<v Speaker 1>the strings and the stuff, and and then I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, when Madonna's talking, I'm in the back

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<v Speaker 1>singing this melody falsetto that was meant to be the

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<v Speaker 1>That was the scratch track of the melody of the song.

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<v Speaker 1>But then afterwards you know Ingrid wrote the words to

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<v Speaker 1>to to the song, and she started writing this poetry

0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.440
<v Speaker 1>thing to it. So I was like, okay, well that's dope.

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<v Speaker 1>So we just left my melody in the back as

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of distant voice. Do you do you know

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<v Speaker 1>the story of the master reel or the master reel

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<v Speaker 1>of Justify My Love? I think this happened after the fact. Okay,

0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:34.680
<v Speaker 1>so we're working on our album. Whoever the assistant engineer

0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:40.280
<v Speaker 1>was for for Justified My Love. I guess there's once

0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the final mix was done or whatever, and they're like,

0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.200
<v Speaker 1>because we cut Madonna. It wasn't the Waterfront. She wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come out to Jersey, so it was placed in

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<v Speaker 1>the city. I don't New York. The studio that I

0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:53.720
<v Speaker 1>don't even he was the remember which one it was, right,

0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.600
<v Speaker 1>So he was he's there during the time when you're

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<v Speaker 1>cutting vocals with Madonna, and so all right, something happens

0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:07.399
<v Speaker 1>and he says he got fired from He said it

0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.760
<v Speaker 1>wasn't you or or you know, but the studio fired

0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:17.040
<v Speaker 1>him because, uh he accidentally erased or chipped a bad

0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.600
<v Speaker 1>edit or like accidentally a race part of her vocal

0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:25.520
<v Speaker 1>voke right at the at the end of the process

0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.960
<v Speaker 1>by accident and he got fired, and but you weren't

0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.320
<v Speaker 1>aware of that. So the story is going completely nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have a follow up question. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard I'll Be Sure's version of Justify Your Love? Why

0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.879
<v Speaker 1>do you know it was? It was a B side

0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.520
<v Speaker 1>to remember on the second time he did the duet

0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.920
<v Speaker 1>with Diana Ross, no matter, it's the B side of that,

0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.439
<v Speaker 1>and it has Joe Casey Haley singing on it too.

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<v Speaker 1>It was basically, Wow, I did not know it's called

0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.879
<v Speaker 1>owl Justify your Love waits on YouTube? It on YouTube?

0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:17.879
<v Speaker 1>Ship will know that a l oh, that's dope, l

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<v Speaker 1>apotrophe l as an owl will owl justified? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you know thet you got? You got no because I'm

0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm a big I'll be Short fan. You're really Wait

0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:43.600
<v Speaker 1>when we're at it, Wait what dudes like when I

0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.080
<v Speaker 1>missed that one? I didn't know. I'm afraid to listen

0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:47.840
<v Speaker 1>to this. It was a bestie. I didn't expect many

0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:52.520
<v Speaker 1>people to say. It does play right here on Quest

0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Little Supreme with Lady Kravitz. And then after that, can

0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:03.080
<v Speaker 1>we play the young Black Teenagers version to oh Am

0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:18.200
<v Speaker 1>at the Beach? I'm not saying anything sing oh whoa writers,

0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:22.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll be short. English is Lenny Kravitz and chub Rock.

0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Little chump Rock is on this. I forgot. Oh my god,

0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Varty swing Joe to see Oh he's us he's an

0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:37.560
<v Speaker 1>example too, this weekend. That's a that's beautiful. That's Joe,

0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Joe singing just well my love. That sounds like it

0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:47.360
<v Speaker 1>should be in the in the sex scene. And boomerang whistle,

0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:54.040
<v Speaker 1>oh there is that was on every record during that time,

0:19:54.320 --> 0:20:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and flute like, yeah, it's not it sounds like boomerang.

0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:06.680
<v Speaker 1>This sounds like strong saying. But but the commercial world,

0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:13.040
<v Speaker 1>he let old boy do his own feeling. Jerdy let

0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:23.040
<v Speaker 1>him to do vagina. Yeah, the thing that happens never changed,

0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Boss Bill, my brothers I you weren't seeing no checks

0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.600
<v Speaker 1>from this. It was a B side, so yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was only se for like what two weeks. My god,

0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, we don't like me And that was a

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<v Speaker 1>questions bring Jesus Christ? Alright, alright, that was I justified

0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.359
<v Speaker 1>because the thing was I would expect to do that

0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:58.560
<v Speaker 1>like ten years down the line, second second album, second album,

0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.680
<v Speaker 1>bro Private Times and the whole now Jesus Christ on

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<v Speaker 1>the B side of that, Diana Danna Rosta. Is there

0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:09.960
<v Speaker 1>any other Lenny Kravitz treats that we don't know about? Yeah,

0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I got one, the I'm over here, Uh, the the

0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Mick Jaggers song, the Bill Wither's song you did with

0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Mick Jack you produced. I I'm very happy that I

0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.040
<v Speaker 1>did that, But I had nothing. Rick Rubin produced it. Okay,

0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:32.639
<v Speaker 1>but and I love Rick and Rick's one of my

0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.760
<v Speaker 1>dearest friends. Did you not produce a Mick Jagger? I

0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.040
<v Speaker 1>produced a song called God Gave Me Everything on nix

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:44.600
<v Speaker 1>next solo record, Okay, on Goddess in the Doorway. Okay,

0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:49.639
<v Speaker 1>yeah you're talking about but use me? Yeah it was

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:54.160
<v Speaker 1>all right. Wait make Jacker did use me with Lenny.

0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it was me being a Bill Withers man. And

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I'm happy I did it and it's cool.

0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:09.159
<v Speaker 1>But sorry, yeah it sounds really good. But okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>have I have a general I have a general rule

0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:15.680
<v Speaker 1>about like working with your idols or whatever, like people

0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 1>that you learn because it could go one way or

0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the other where if they're too famous, you can't tell

0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 1>them nothing. But I had them to do with it,

0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:25.720
<v Speaker 1>like it wasn't my production, It wasn't my thing. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it just you know, did you wish you had

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.359
<v Speaker 1>control that song? I mean, did they check you out

0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:35.399
<v Speaker 1>of your old Okay, that's what I'm trying to go

0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.280
<v Speaker 1>with it. Was it too clean? Yeah it was, but

0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:47.639
<v Speaker 1>it was we're talking about Bill Withers. But then again

0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:52.160
<v Speaker 1>it was a matter what. It was different, and that's cool.

0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:54.920
<v Speaker 1>You know it was different. But just in looking back,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're not trying to drive anybody under the

0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:00.720
<v Speaker 1>drive anybody, roll anybody over the bus. I get on

0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:05.520
<v Speaker 1>a Mick Jagger album, Oh shit, I am Oh, you

0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:14.760
<v Speaker 1>just snitched on me. I forgot only a couple of

0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>years ago. I forgot. I'm looking up he got like

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know, But it wasn't. It was like

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>he did a project with which Marley at the moment,

0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like the probably probably it's like d Marley Johnstone.

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:33.920
<v Speaker 1>They had a band Dave Stewart. Yeah, it was on

0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the thing was Alfie soundtrack, right, they did a whole

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:42.920
<v Speaker 1>album and like the thing was he called me directly

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was Jimmy trying to funk with me.

0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It was no, you know, Mick Jack and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, just like everyone that has that type of

0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 1>story where it takes you fifteen minutes to believe it.

0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:58.680
<v Speaker 1>I hung up. I called Jimmy. I'm like a waiting.

0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy's like, no, it wasn't me. And finally I realized

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 1>that it was Mick Jagger calling me, and but I

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 1>love Nick. I mean, jack Man, you must say no

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:14.440
<v Speaker 1>what to a lot though, right because you don't. It's

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:16.200
<v Speaker 1>not like you're the you always say yes to a

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 1>lot of things like this was Lenny produced. Disney wrote

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 1>this me did it like I say yes to you

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:25.840
<v Speaker 1>to give me to shut up because it's gonna work.

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't I know. That's just trying to push your

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:41.240
<v Speaker 1>button over there. Gold film your reactions late on. Hold on,

0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I say yes to you. See what you don't know

0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:50.119
<v Speaker 1>that have a glandular problem. Start you don't start sweating.

0:24:50.840 --> 0:25:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I can have a GLANDI I have a glandier. It

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 1>just went from a pickle. We're trying to push this

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>timeline here to get him out something else. Because I

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 1>would talk to her today and yeah, she told me

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:15.120
<v Speaker 1>to tell you she loves you. She's probably after they've

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>been on the show. I talked to Creed that that

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>was a moment. That's that's when I was making a

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>live I know, the same time, both those at the

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 1>same time in the Bahamas. Yeah, she's and she got robbed.

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:35.920
<v Speaker 1>She got robbed. They didn't know what to do. She

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 1>was just earlier. I think she was early. She super early.

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>She was super early. The label like folded, it was

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 1>like a whole it was. She still Freddy too, so

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 1>that was like I was in college. But it's those

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 1>that know no that record Lane Sleep. They're stole it

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 1>from me. So you know, you know what I did,

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>steal it from you? You gave me. Yeah, my bad.

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 1>That's sorry, that's cool, but I got your jobs. So

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 1>you know we even though we are. But will y'all

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:10.119
<v Speaker 1>ever meet again? Absolutely, We've been talking about it, that thing.

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I've just been so busy finishing this record. But yes,

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>that would be just a pleasure with five that rate.

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:23.920
<v Speaker 1>We skipped an albums. Oh yes, back to the Boss.

0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes we did Circus. Why why did everybody like that record?

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it. I remember the lead wasn't they

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>had to leave ruined? Was it vibe or I don't

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.720
<v Speaker 1>know it was. I remember that I wanted to read

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 1>in an early review on it, and it was either

0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:42.760
<v Speaker 1>vibe but they gave you the lead review and they

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 1>were kind of dismissive about it. They wouldn't have got that.

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:48.159
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is, and my fan like the like

0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 1>the fan fans, that's their record. Yeah, yeah, it's But

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the thing is is that have we known any musician

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>two make a song about a genre that they don't

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 1>like it anymore and it's ever worked, Like there's a

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a hip hop is dead, there's a rock and

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:10.879
<v Speaker 1>roll is dead there And then Prince answered me with

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 1>rock and rolls rocket apples and he called me. He's

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:19.639
<v Speaker 1>like he said that it was I that was for you.

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that was the answer to rock and roll

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 1>is dead or always wait it's circus, Lenny, like electric

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 1>circus is too common? Isn't that a circus thing? Black

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 1>people need to stop making albums named r a circus.

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm just because I'm still I don't circus

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 1>was all the craziness now of all that was going on. Yeah,

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 1>but fame was crazy, but you were still you were

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>still My mom was dying, like it was just like

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 1>my world of the circus. It was a complete upside

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>down thing that was happening. Um, I never felt as

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 1>though you were off of your your off your deam

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 1>as far as I know, right straight Philly felt used

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.360
<v Speaker 1>off your deam with as far as your silence are concerned.

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't consider the Departure record saying like like

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:21.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was different. It was a left turn

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 1>after I get on my way, and of course the

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.240
<v Speaker 1>label was like, we want one more of those. And

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, then I went and made circus and took

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.959
<v Speaker 1>all these weird photographs and made weird videos and you know, um,

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 1>it was that moment. So were you nervous about uh,

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>losing the momentum? Not at all? Making Okay, not at all.

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't care. Why didn't you care? Because I was.

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 1>I never thought about any of this. I just did

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 1>what came out of me, and that that for me

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 1>is this success, you know, freedom, just this is how

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I feel. This is the music, This is what we

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>get right now, whether we like it or not, This

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>is what we get. This is real, you know. And

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 1>then you've got songs in there like that, you know,

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I can't get you off my mind and and yeah

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 1>tunnel Vision and yeah, I remember just reading the review

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and then at the time I went to the thing

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 1>was the warehouse music that was in the mall was

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>at the time, and they had it on the listening station,

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and so I just listened to and I was like, damn,

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 1>like it don't I didn't get where the flat was

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>coming from. It was just it was just out there.

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>It was just it was just kind of an out

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 1>there record, man. But I think in general, and you know,

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of been unspoken here, but I also feel

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>that critically you've gotten a lot of double standard flak

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 1>um oh that. Yeah. And it's like the things they

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>were later calling people genius for they were talgging me for. Yeah,

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'm saying, you've been in the room with me,

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 1>like when okay, hope they don't kick me off the committee.

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>But when we go to Rolling Stone to to vote

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 1>for the rock and room like that room controls like

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>all the critical reviews of you know, of it's their opinions,

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 1>and I, yeah, I definitely see people being protective of there,

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, their teenage history and feeling some sort of

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>way that you know, I mean, so that's never bothered you,

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>like a reviewers never. I don't I mean, yeah, you

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>you read some bullshit about yourself. It's just like you

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>can tell the reviewers got a thing. I mean, I've

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>seen those duties. I was like, damn, dude, I like

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>slap his mama, like I've seen that, you know. But

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>whatever whatever he said that like did I sleep at

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>your girl or something like the album should not cause this.

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying the journey and I'm still here.

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>So like I'm I'm just grateful, blessed, like I'm I'm

0:30:57.760 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 1>all good with it, and you're like a living legends

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>or I think to the day, even if you left

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>this world today, doesn't you would still be there and

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>nothing matter. I was just saying, welcome, plening in perspective

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>that at this point it don't matter. You're free, you

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>can do what you want, and you are a legends.

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>So that's the right of a legend there. You know,

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>you're a young living legend, but you are. Thank you, man, dear,

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>thank you mama. So with five, thank you professing low Sorry,

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.479
<v Speaker 1>I know you're doing this sound for me. It's all

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>good man, I'm happy to be. We're going to get um. Yeah,

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 1>but I definitely have questions about the new records. So yeah, yeah,

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>but we're good, okay. Questions five. That was a record

0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I bought that I was working at a record slore

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 1>that summer and I'm bought it, purchased. I purchased, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I have a history of stealing music before you could

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 1>go on, before you going now, I stole in the

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Real World and Sidewalk Harressment. No, that Sidewalk Correst. But no,

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I bought that record because that was the first single

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>the um that if you can't say no everywhere, like

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>that ship that was America. Yeah, how did you get

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Mila Djovic to do that? Joint? Is that her name right? Yeah?

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Jojevich okay, j So no you didn't. Joch Is like

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 1>we've been calling her um smart caller okay yeah, smart

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>caller um. But that record was I I took a

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>different turn sonically. Yeah. I started playing drama, started playing

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>with some metric stuff, started looping some stuff. Um. Actually

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>it was Billy Corgan that turned me onto some gear

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 1>um from on the same label and we were friendly

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, man, you gotta start using this and

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 1>check this out because that was because that was and

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>that was when the Smashing poem was that was the

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Door album. Yeah, so that was so he turned me

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 1>on to some gear and some stuff. I just started

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 1>to play around with us and I went to the

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I started the record of New York. I had a

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>studio on thirty fifth Street between Lex and Third Um.

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I had like a little carriage house and I built

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 1>a studio in there, and which ended up being like

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 1>a big hangout for a while, turned into a nightclub

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, you you'd come in there at night and

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>you'd see you two and Bobby Brown and Naomi Campbell

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and this went and I mean it was it was.

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>It was the spot for a while, you know. Was

0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>that the lyrics on that song? That is that based

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>on a real situation that you were going through? Uh

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 1>if you can't say no? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, But I've

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>never heard of you like that because that was one

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>of those songs that, like, I mean, it came out.

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>It's nice. So I was like nineteen, so you know,

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I was listening to it. I'm like, Okay, this is dope.

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 1>But then just later that song is kind of a

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>bug out. Yeah, I'm like, God, when you think about

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>what you're really saying, like damn if you can't, if

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 1>you cheat, just think of me. Oh god, the savagery.

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>But but that was a dope record. And then of

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>course when that came out as the first single, people

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>were like, after all the rocks that like yeah, Then

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>then they were like what's that? But then fly Away

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 1>which but by the way, was not on the album.

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>The album was done, mastered, turned in and I'm still

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 1>in the Bahamas working with Cree And one day the engineer, um,

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 1>who's this guy Tearing Manning? Great engineer who Terry who

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.359
<v Speaker 1>ran Compass Point but he cut all he cut all

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 1>that Al Green and Staples Station Brothers, right, huh didn't

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 1>he didn't? Terry also dude Isley Brothers as well. No,

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 1>that was my engineer, Tom Edmonds, who who had a

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>live guy who he did the album but don't Say

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 1>good Night and all that stuff, say you will, don't

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>say goodnight? Can we go again? How did you work

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 1>with that guy? He was my live guy for years

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:34.919
<v Speaker 1>and then he cut the funk album that's coming later.

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.320
<v Speaker 1>He cut a lot of that record. We went to

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 1>New Orleans. He's still so there was a point where

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 1>we started messing around and doing some stuff and his

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 1>engineer brings in this bucket for the collapsa. How I

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 1>learned that from the brothers. Yeah, they wet their hands

0:35:56.160 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and and that's what. Yeah, that's Tom Edmonds. Shout out

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 1>to Tom Edmonds. Well also, I mean five, I know that, Um, well,

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 1>when you were promoting five on television, like, I know

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>that your mom's death was a big part of the

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 1>development of this record. What thinking of you? Yes, yes, yes, yes,

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 1>but what prevented you from I mean, were you at

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the time. I know that you distraught with with her

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.799
<v Speaker 1>passing like this could have easily went another way where

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like an album to her. It's funny to be

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>joyous like she died during circus, right, um, And I

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of went through the whole morning thing. I went

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 1>right back on tour like a week after the funeral,

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and I was back on the road, and um, by

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the time I got finished with all that, and he

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:51.800
<v Speaker 1>gone through it and then the tour and took some

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 1>time and went to go make five. I was having

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 1>such a good time with Cree. Cree brought so much

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.879
<v Speaker 1>laughter into my life and we we laugh every day,

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>crack up. She's so funny. And I was kind of

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>I kind of started her record. Then I got into mine,

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 1>and I go back to hers, but we were all

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.799
<v Speaker 1>there together. It'd be like, all right, today you're off.

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do my thing. Tomorrow we're gonna do you.

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 1>And I was in the Bahamas. Um z Alwey's mom

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:22.440
<v Speaker 1>allowed Zoe to come down. I put her in school.

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:24.799
<v Speaker 1>She was there for almost a year. I put her

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>in school in Nasaw, and so I was in a

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>good place. I had family down there, and all of

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>these beautiful songs came out. You know, the record was

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 1>very uplifting. You had a fresh new sound. Oh but

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 1>back to fly Away. So Flyaway wasn't on the record.

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Um Terry had a a park amplifier like a it's

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>like a marshal in the in the room, and I

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I want to try that. So I

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 1>plugged in a guitar. And when you play a guitar

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.319
<v Speaker 1>through a certain amp, certain guitar through a certain amp,

0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 1>it makes you go to certain chords because you know

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>this that oh wow, these cords are really fat right here.

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>That's where the riff came from, just listening to this amplifier.

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>And then I was like, maybe just I don't know.

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I just messed around with it, cut a B side

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:16.839
<v Speaker 1>or something, and cut the song. Had the track going

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>then I didn't have the words or the melody yet.

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I was driving Zoe to school every day in this

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>jeep that I had along the ocean, just driving, driving fast,

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 1>driving to school, playing this track for like three or

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:32.719
<v Speaker 1>four days with Zoe and the car, and then the

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 1>lyrics and the whole they came to me. I cut it.

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 1>A friend of mine heard it. It was like, that

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 1>song is incredible. I said, yeah, but it's not on

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the album. It's I don't know. This guy begged me,

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 1>good friend. He's like, I beg you please put this

0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>song on the record. I will not be your friend

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 1>anymore you don't put this song on the record. And

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:55.919
<v Speaker 1>he was like, and I'm like, the record is done,

0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 1>called Virgin. We worked. There's another song. I'm sorry we

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>have to read anyway. The rest is yeah. I always

0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 1>wanted to know why did you feel the need to

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 1>cut your signature locks. I didn't what happened with fly

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 1>away video that's whatever. First, No, no, no, no, what happened?

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 1>This is this is And I was like, no, no,

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 1>this is the truth. I went up to So's mom's house,

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 1>spent to Panga to visit her, and we're hanging out.

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 1>We're smoking a joint and we're chilling, and she's like,

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>you know what, you need to cut your hair. You

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 1>need to change your energy. It's time. And I was like, huh.

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Home girl left the room and came back with a

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 1>razor blade and she's like, you got She's like, you

0:39:57.880 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 1>gotta do it, like she didn't cut them short and

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and she cut him with a razorbla Like you know

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 1>how much time that takes? Like you know what love

0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 1>you have to have for a woman for her to

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 1>convince you to cut your hair. Dude, where however, Lisa

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>fitting the shave living like Lisa's hair still locked. Oh

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:31.759
<v Speaker 1>she's she's she's flourishing, She's flourishing. Was this an easy sell? Dude?

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I was sitting there and I was hot. I'm like,

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm like starting to buy it because I'm like, she's like,

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm a d Sampson. This mom like the swod because

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>because I remember, but it came from a place of

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 1>it came from a place to love it did it

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 1>wasn't shady, but actually got it more women. And then

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:00.040
<v Speaker 1>I was like, and then I was like, you on

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 1>what if? Because this this thing came with me right

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 1>the concerts and the hair flying. I was like, if

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I could get over without it, that means that I

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So I was like, so

0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you don't want hair to define you and all that bush. No,

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 1>he's not his hair, you know, nigga my hair. That

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 1>because I remember that that that was It was a

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>good call because when the album came out in the cover,

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:29.479
<v Speaker 1>that's because like, yo, he got Because the first video

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I had to my dreads were like they were cut, Yeah,

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:36.040
<v Speaker 1>you have to cut. I was like, oh, literally got

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:40.320
<v Speaker 1>you got the number five. But it wasn't cut like that.

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 1>It was just like kind of bumping and like little afro.

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 1>But it was like yeah, man, so that's what happened.

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 1>It was a stony guy I got scared with with

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 1>with Baby Mama. I saw what happened. I saw what

0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:57.759
<v Speaker 1>happened was his name is sold submistive people on their head.

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>It's a rap where people their hair is a rep.

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 1>But the funny part it took so long for her

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 1>to do it. At some point the high war off

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>and you had to be like one node I was staying.

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I was staying at the Beverly Hills Hotel. I got

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>back to the hotel and I looked at me and

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, the part of you feel, part

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.880
<v Speaker 1>of you feel like y'all getting back together. No, no, no, no,

0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 1>there was none of that. Your hair, someone has I

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:23.280
<v Speaker 1>have it. I have it so today though, that belongs

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:30.439
<v Speaker 1>to Zoe. Put your back mocked again. I'm coming coming

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 1>forward again. It was coming forward? Yeah, did you? I'm

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 1>good friends with Gershy Gina Gersho. Are you you went

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:45.400
<v Speaker 1>to high school? We went high school together, okay, bound, Sorry,

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that's your reference Jennifer Tilly and she was, yeah, I

0:42:56.120 --> 0:43:01.839
<v Speaker 1>forgot about part part one. My reference is there? Yeah,

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 1>there was? How do you know this? That's not true?

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Red Buck Cinemas scares the sh out mean like they

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:14.319
<v Speaker 1>know ship broke Cocktail? I like, mad h Yeah. How

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:18.919
<v Speaker 1>about show Girls? The altimate, the alternate B movie? They say,

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:24.799
<v Speaker 1>such a good movie, Come on, movies, genius. Show Girls

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 1>is my reference for like when something so bad it's good, Like, yeah,

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 1>that's that's what I'm saying. I say show Girls, But

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Gina Crushan and show Girls was such a fucking pimp.

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 1>And like gangster. I'm sorry, I've seen it a lot.

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Just yell at movies. Yeah, don't you get that Gena

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I get because she she wants to start a because

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:54.760
<v Speaker 1>she plays she sorry, and he played with Bob Dylan.

0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 1>That's something you could do professionally played juice harp, best

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 1>name of the instrument ever. Wait a minute, me, me

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and she she came out and played juice hard with

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:10.440
<v Speaker 1>us at uh at our first uh not loud blues

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 1>at a in Tennessee. Bam Bluze. That's a Spikey movie. Yeah,

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 1>what is in Tennessee? Pump unt something? Yeah? Black festival people? Okay,

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:40.239
<v Speaker 1>because I got so bad question? Um, all right, let's

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>go random. What's nice? Leny five five? Lenny Leny Yeah,

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:53.200
<v Speaker 1>let's go damn the rapid Fire Okay on the new record? Okay,

0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:56.479
<v Speaker 1>oh wow the song? Low? Am I detecting a Michael

0:44:56.560 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Jackson influencing your vocal performance? Um? Because it ends with

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the whole whole That was very Michael. Wait what do

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.320
<v Speaker 1>you say that is Michael? He's singing background on the record.

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Say you worked with him when we worked together, and

0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:19.919
<v Speaker 1>I whoa I produced? Well? Yeah, well on his version

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 1>it was called Another Day. It's the same song. Storm

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 1>was initially Jackson song. I did it from Michael when

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 1>he was doing Invincible, right, but they didn't put it

0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>on the record. John was putting the record together with Michael.

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:38.359
<v Speaker 1>They said it was too hard, and michaels like, I'm

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:41.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna save it for my next record because he loved

0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the track. So it didn't come out, and I thought,

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's never gonna come out. So then

0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I went and cut it as Storm, but made it

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of smooth, right. But it was written the way

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I did it for Michael. So we had worked on

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:01.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff at Marvin's room in l A at John Studio

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:04.800
<v Speaker 1>John McClay studio. That's where we cut that stuff. So

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.240
<v Speaker 1>we had worked on different tracks and we had different stuff,

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 1>and so I had ad libs that, um were to

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 1>this groove in anyway. Um, I put it on. Yeah,

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 1>that is Michael. You're like fighting hard. I was like,

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard Linny channel Michael. No, no, no, that

0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 1>that is Michael. So wait when you got a call

0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:32.440
<v Speaker 1>to work with Michael Jackson, um, you felt like, Okay,

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:34.759
<v Speaker 1>he's worth investigating. He said, write me a song and

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:38.640
<v Speaker 1>produce a song for me John. He went through John

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 1>John called me. We met in the studio and I

0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 1>wrote I wrote the song like a couple of days

0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:47.320
<v Speaker 1>before he came in. I was like, I'm might saying me.

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what am I gonna do? So I wrote

0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:52.359
<v Speaker 1>this song from where I thought his point of view

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.800
<v Speaker 1>might have been at that time. Um, and I wrote

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 1>that song and then he came in. He was like,

0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 1>you tracked up Marvin's room too, so you can go

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>to any studio. It's harder. Just pray to God. It's

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:07.880
<v Speaker 1>hard nail myself. It's harder because yes, I figured you

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.760
<v Speaker 1>want to track when people are going with the Lenny Kravitz,

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 1>that you want to do it at your spots, that

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 1>there's some times when you just can't, you know. So

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 1>did it there? And uh it was it was an

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:22.840
<v Speaker 1>amazing a few days really he was. It wasn't overwhelming.

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean he started out, He's like, Okay, I taught

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 1>him the song, so I'm teaching in the song. I'm

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 1>writing the lyrics out for him, putting it on the

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:34.319
<v Speaker 1>on the music stands, and he's like, Lenny, I want

0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 1>to do it exactly the way you hear it, So

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:45.520
<v Speaker 1>you stop me when I mess up? Okay, So no,

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:52.839
<v Speaker 1>he was humble, sweet giving. So we start and within

0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the first couple of notes, he's not phrasing the melody correctly,

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, how do I correct my car? You

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.480
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Really, I'm gonna stop this brother,

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 1>like and he's out there and he's you know, you know,

0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, um, you gotta lay back here,

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:16.799
<v Speaker 1>and I said, it goes like this man, we did

0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:20.200
<v Speaker 1>that all day and he's like, no, I want you

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:26.439
<v Speaker 1>to stop me. And so it was like, even even

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.200
<v Speaker 1>when being polite, I always I think it's a test

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:32.879
<v Speaker 1>of wills because you're not the first person that gave

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.959
<v Speaker 1>me a story where it's like a mammoth Michael Jackson

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:41.719
<v Speaker 1>recording session that even though it's you know, he's blacke

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 1>and that he's gonna work you to the bone until

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 1>he feels it's correct, which I never feel that he

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:50.839
<v Speaker 1>feels that any He worked about him his card man

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and and uh, and he worked hard. And then then

0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 1>when it got time for the ad libs at the end,

0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:00.400
<v Speaker 1>it was like he's screaming's at the top of his

0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 1>voice and all that you know, he's like he's he's

0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 1>warming up with Seth Riggs, and then he's like, letting,

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I got thirty minutes, I'm gonna i'mnna have no voice

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:14.440
<v Speaker 1>the three minutes, so you get all these ad libs now,

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>and he just gives it to you. I mean, blood

0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 1>comes out of him. I mean, and then he's like

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 1>and then that's it. You know, I was gonna ask

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:24.359
<v Speaker 1>he gives it to you. I was gonna ask, though,

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:30.800
<v Speaker 1>if ladder I'm trying to say ladder day Michael Jackson,

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:36.560
<v Speaker 1>but like post a post dangerous Michael Jackson, I always felt,

0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:39.560
<v Speaker 1>which is wearing me out because he has the best

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:44.919
<v Speaker 1>vocal coach on earth with Seth Riggs, but because he's

0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:48.440
<v Speaker 1>saying with such a fire and anger in his stomach

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:56.479
<v Speaker 1>Post when it got really right, yeah, which is like, dude,

0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 1>you're you're going to destroy your voice. But he was

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:03.360
<v Speaker 1>so known as having a beautiful velvet tenor, and he

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:05.799
<v Speaker 1>stopped using any but then he would give you butterflies.

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:09.680
<v Speaker 1>But even again, I heard that initially the track Attrack

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:13.120
<v Speaker 1>is smooth on the harmonies, but I heard initially that

0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:18.479
<v Speaker 1>they had to convince him just come naked with your voice,

0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:23.839
<v Speaker 1>that your old school, you know, and not comes right,

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:27.560
<v Speaker 1>And so I was asking, like, did you ever once

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:30.920
<v Speaker 1>think like let me write him a song that forces

0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:35.040
<v Speaker 1>them to use his singing, his singing velvet voice, which

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:38.920
<v Speaker 1>he rarely used post I went straight for the like, Okay,

0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>let's give him like a dirty Diana, give him the

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:45.080
<v Speaker 1>rock thing, you know. So that's why I went there. Yeah, yeah,

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 1>I love the Just Players remix of Storm your version

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Storm Just Remix. Love this? How did that come to be?

0:50:53.880 --> 0:51:05.239
<v Speaker 1>You guys? Uh? The Black Department, that's it? Blacking this up?

0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I really want to know how did Heavy D producing? Guns?

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:17.920
<v Speaker 1>And Rosy Heavy used to come hang out at my

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:20.800
<v Speaker 1>house in Miami because he was friends with my assistant.

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:25.520
<v Speaker 1>We were friends from back in the day. And he's like,

0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:29.719
<v Speaker 1>I got this track, and I mean it was just

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 1>a phone call, right, It wasn't bad, No, no, no,

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>it's because at the top of it it was like

0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:45.960
<v Speaker 1>heavy Weight. Yeah, any Kravitz had de production, you bastard

0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 1>one thing. Yeah. I never even though I knew he

0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:52.320
<v Speaker 1>was doing tracks and stuff, because like I didn't know

0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:56.799
<v Speaker 1>he was producing, he was producing hard. And even when

0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I heard the results and like, oh you're really producing,

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I still didn't want to register that bum was producing.

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 1>So how did you guys sell it to Jay? No?

0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I had nothing to do it. I got the call it.

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.719
<v Speaker 1>This is what's going down? Oh, like, come do it

0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:17.920
<v Speaker 1>like Jay did it. So the first day was already

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:20.279
<v Speaker 1>on it. Okay, okay, they just wanted me to sing

0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the hook and play guitar. Yeah. So, yeah, there was

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 1>another record and I cannot remember the name of it.

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:31.560
<v Speaker 1>A couple of years back. You did uh a remix competition.

0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:37.880
<v Speaker 1>It was absolutely right, the jazz and OV remix of

0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:40.480
<v Speaker 1>that ship man Like, I don't even know if you

0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:42.960
<v Speaker 1>even know. He probably doesn't know that. I'd have to hear.

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 1>There were just so many yeah, like ship like I

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.520
<v Speaker 1>might need to put that back in my set, that

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 1>whole back again. Wait, what albums it it was? It

0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:57.880
<v Speaker 1>wasn't on an album. It wasn't it, Just like I

0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:01.239
<v Speaker 1>wasn't Where was that in ants? Someone I don't know,

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 1>some studio cutting that thing. Yeah, it's what I don't

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:07.799
<v Speaker 1>remember the name of these. It was gonna breathe Okay,

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 1>absolute cravits, Absolute cravit. Yeah, that's why I remember it,

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:13.960
<v Speaker 1>as I knew that would the name of the song. Um,

0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:17.200
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it was a competition or not a competition,

0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:19.480
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it was like because like a bunch of

0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:21.480
<v Speaker 1>guys had a bunch of guys. Yeah yeah, my buddy

0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:26.879
<v Speaker 1>Eric Rose and he did a remix. Uh sooner your

0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:32.319
<v Speaker 1>acting career we didn't get Yeah, wait, I gotta damn

0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 1>can I hijack this place because I know we thank you?

0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Um okay, so one of the one of the things

0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:48.359
<v Speaker 1>that I love best about your career. Wait a minute,

0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:53.040
<v Speaker 1>one last music questions. You've been promising this funk album

0:53:53.160 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>forever and it's coming. I am I I am crying

0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:04.640
<v Speaker 1>wolf right. Is it still called negrophilia? Because I love

0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:09.959
<v Speaker 1>that time love that. But what I'm doing reason raised

0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:14.239
<v Speaker 1>by ration came out. Now that record is pretty much

0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:18.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like nine point nine said done. Um, I'm gonna

0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 1>be making a film to it. That's all I say.

0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to say too much, And that's what's gonna

0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:25.880
<v Speaker 1>be coming next. So I'll just give you that's waiting for.

0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 1>But yes, it's gonna be I've been waiting for this

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:32.439
<v Speaker 1>record with film or or like film like okay, movie,

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:36.399
<v Speaker 1>and that's gonna be the soundtrack. Oh yeah, just please

0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:40.320
<v Speaker 1>don't let it be the super Fly remake. No, I

0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:48.440
<v Speaker 1>promise super remix promise. I'm getting scared. You mean the

0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 1>one that's coming out, Yeah, the one that's coming out,

0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:55.120
<v Speaker 1>don't Jackson speaking of super Fly Remix super Fly Return,

0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:59.279
<v Speaker 1>that was weird. That's on with Iced Tea, right, Yeah, yeah. Man.

0:54:59.320 --> 0:55:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I got a phone call from the label I kept,

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and they were like, we need you to fix this track.

0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:09.200
<v Speaker 1>So they sent me the tracks and they made me

0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.520
<v Speaker 1>take all the instruments off, and I had to play

0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:14.000
<v Speaker 1>all the instruments over again to make it sound like

0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Curtis Mayfield ish, you know that's And I was like, well,

0:55:18.239 --> 0:55:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll do anything for Curtis. You know, he gave me

0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:25.879
<v Speaker 1>his bass player. But we're on my first tour. Lebron Scott, Lucky,

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Scott's brother. Lucky's the one who's on the actual super

0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Fly record. His little brother Lebron, who unfortunately just passed

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:35.719
<v Speaker 1>a few months ago. Um was my bass player. And

0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I used to go to Curtis shows and I love

0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the bass player, and then basically I became friends. I

0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:44.600
<v Speaker 1>was like, man, we'd love you to join the band

0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:48.799
<v Speaker 1>and Curtis. Curtis gave the blessing. He's like, you, what's

0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:50.520
<v Speaker 1>his name was your sex one playing for a second

0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Day for three albums. Yeah, we went past her. But

0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:58.839
<v Speaker 1>can I just ask the first time you ever heard

0:55:58.880 --> 0:56:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Cindy Blackman because we said, but Cindy black Men. I

0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:09.000
<v Speaker 1>was friends with a guy named Anton Roney, who's Wallace

0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Roni's brother. Wallace Rooney's trumpet the Mile they call him,

0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:17.120
<v Speaker 1>like the Miles, kind of protege, like his brother's sax player.

0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I knew did some sessions for me, and he knew

0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Cindy for Cindy was at the time dating Wallace and

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.560
<v Speaker 1>and I was at the time living at Rick Ruben's

0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:36.400
<v Speaker 1>house in l a And um with those dogs, yeah, Shampa,

0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.759
<v Speaker 1>and one's name is Shampa after the other one's name.

0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:43.120
<v Speaker 1>They were this black dreadlock dogs. Zoe used to man,

0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Zoe was so scared of those dogs because he could

0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:49.120
<v Speaker 1>face and scared. She used to run screaming from the ones.

0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:53.239
<v Speaker 1>But mama dog runs and then the little babies run

0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:58.200
<v Speaker 1>behind like I love those dogs. But anyway, Um, I

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:01.359
<v Speaker 1>was having a drum audition. All these drummers were coming

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:05.919
<v Speaker 1>from all over the place, including Andy Kravitz, Yes he did.

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:11.440
<v Speaker 1>And River Phoenix brought me a drummer. River had a

0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:13.640
<v Speaker 1>friend that was like his best friend, that was his drummer.

0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Was the last time I saw River. He brought this

0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:18.920
<v Speaker 1>drummer from Florida. And then there was also another drummer

0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 1>that auditioned and he died for his name. I ended

0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:26.320
<v Speaker 1>up giving him to Robert Plant and Jimmy Page, not

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:30.960
<v Speaker 1>giving but recommending. I want to know why you didn't

0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:34.000
<v Speaker 1>choose Andy Kravitz. I almost did, because he was coming

0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:38.520
<v Speaker 1>with some bottom madness. But Cindy Blackman boy, she came

0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:41.440
<v Speaker 1>with the fire. She was playing all that Elvin Jones,

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, just killing and she was fine. Side yes,

0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:52.600
<v Speaker 1>side note. I used to enter at rough House Studio

0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:59.120
<v Speaker 1>for in Philly where that's that's right. Andy was so

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the day he got that call, it was like he

0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:08.320
<v Speaker 1>knew it was like mama, and he had my name, yes,

0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.680
<v Speaker 1>and he you know, his attitude was sort of like,

0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:20.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, like and then like the sitcom flasterback the

0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:27.960
<v Speaker 1>next Monday, okay, and that was the last time a

0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:29.880
<v Speaker 1>black woman to the job for my wife. I was

0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:33.200
<v Speaker 1>rehearsing at the Lyric Theater on forty second Street, which

0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:35.600
<v Speaker 1>is the theater and taxi driver where he takes Civil

0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Shepherd to go see the part that was that theater.

0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Why would you use that spot? It was for sale

0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:47.240
<v Speaker 1>at the time for like two dollars. That should have

0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:50.040
<v Speaker 1>bought it. This is before the clean up, before the

0:58:50.120 --> 0:58:54.480
<v Speaker 1>second Street. We were rehearsing there because it didn't call ship. Well,

0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:57.040
<v Speaker 1>that's where Anny Kravit showed up and he man he

0:58:57.240 --> 0:59:02.080
<v Speaker 1>was playing where. Uh. I haven't talked to him since

0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I had a record too. No, no, I interned at

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Roughhouse and then uh, my last day I've been turning.

0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I asked Chris Swartz and Joe Niccolo Joe Butcher brow

0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:19.880
<v Speaker 1>dollars to pay for my pass the popcorn video. They

0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:22.000
<v Speaker 1>paid for it. I entered and they paid for the

0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:25.920
<v Speaker 1>player from Philly named Mike Tyler. Yes, I do, pops

0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:28.880
<v Speaker 1>cool of Pike. Mike Tyler was one of the guys

0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:33.640
<v Speaker 1>in that Black Duran Durant. Of course, of course Tony,

0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:43.040
<v Speaker 1>couple other guys. It's like the Great is the super Friends.

0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:46.720
<v Speaker 1>I still seem he ended up in Amsterdam. Yeah he

0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:49.640
<v Speaker 1>had it. Yeah, he's got a Dutch lady and kids

0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, you know Mike Tyler, he's playing with l Mama,

0:59:52.600 --> 1:00:06.560
<v Speaker 1>said Knock you out the blonde hug. Yeah, it's so weird,

1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:13.560
<v Speaker 1>like clear jabe no, no real talk. Okay, So when

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<v Speaker 1>I have done this, that's for real. That's why did

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<v Speaker 1>you date? Because the best. Here's the thing though, when

1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I inducted LLL at the Kennedy Center Honors, right and

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<v Speaker 1>total audience, straight up. The reason why I use secret,

1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:37.400
<v Speaker 1>it's because ll you said that in one of all

1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:42.680
<v Speaker 1>those people it was my Chappelle leafed his asso. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's true because secret keeps you dry. And it's like, up, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>secret made for that question, that little sexy octopus. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't anyway you're really taking it? Tell me so, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a week years ago Hungry Games, how did

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<v Speaker 1>that come about? I loved you in that role. I

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<v Speaker 1>got a phone call. That's it. It's that simple. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't audition. I got a phone call. Well, Gary, you

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<v Speaker 1>got a great phone. Just wait, how do people get

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<v Speaker 1>your number? The director saw pressure. I just like I

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<v Speaker 1>had like a day to like I was on tour

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<v Speaker 1>at least, like just coming for a day. Just this

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<v Speaker 1>little part. You could do it in a day. And

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<v Speaker 1>I came in and did that. And then the director

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<v Speaker 1>of Hunger Games saw that and just like I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>this movie it's called Hunger Games, just these books and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't I didn't know anything about it. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>had to go get the book and read it and

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<v Speaker 1>then and I was like, okay, I'll I'll do it,

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<v Speaker 1>like having no idea it was going to be like

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<v Speaker 1>a phenomenon, but after doing pressures and all that emotion

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff that it took that role like Hunger Games

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<v Speaker 1>must have been like okay, no, but it was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually that we rehearsed a little bit the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was I mean, you know, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there doing scenes with Jennifer Lawrence and all these folks.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was. It was cool. It was different

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<v Speaker 1>with your new the movie that you're almost doing Negrophilia.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you acting in that? I shall be yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>directing as well or just quite possibly. Okay, did you

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<v Speaker 1>read it? No? I mean I came up with like

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<v Speaker 1>the story, but I'm having a writer, a proper writer.

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<v Speaker 1>Really we're trying to get much out of Yeah, that's it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I just really did you as an actor? Man? I like,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you more of it? Thank you? And you said

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<v Speaker 1>how easy it was for Hunger Games to get you.

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<v Speaker 1>But how did Lee Daniels get you for that role

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<v Speaker 1>for that movie at the time? Phone, he said, But

1:02:53.040 --> 1:02:59.600
<v Speaker 1>that role wasn't simple enough. Just to telephone came for me,

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<v Speaker 1>A little messaging in the bottle, Yes, Atlantic Star, I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, Mr Telephone Man by New Edition. That's

1:03:13.520 --> 1:03:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Mary Parker Jr. You're you're, You're, you're error lank Stars,

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<v Speaker 1>secret lovers. But this this is the and M for

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Weathers before their black period. This is like your heart, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if your heart isn't in it the back part man. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, well you asked him, Oh, Lee Daniels. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was having dinner one night at Mr. Chio and

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<v Speaker 1>here's some old school I'm sitting I'm sitting at Baskias

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<v Speaker 1>table up on the top there where they already thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>And Lee Daniels is sitting across the room with Julian Schnabel,

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<v Speaker 1>the artist and director. Painter and director. Julian brings him

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<v Speaker 1>over because I've known Julian Well, I met Julian million

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. I actually was supposed to play basket Yard

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<v Speaker 1>in that movie, but I turned it down, right. Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Wright was genius, but here's here's what happened. I had

1:04:08.440 --> 1:04:10.280
<v Speaker 1>just gotten off the Let Love Rule. Now we're going

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<v Speaker 1>another story. I had just gotten out of the off

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<v Speaker 1>of the Let Love Rule tour, and Julian was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making this movie about John Michelle. I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to play John Michelle. I'm gonna come over and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna start teaching you how to paint. And da da

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<v Speaker 1>da da da dath. I was living in the building

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<v Speaker 1>with this guy Shangy, who is a character in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie who um was one of John Michelle's friends, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was just like, you know, you can't do this

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<v Speaker 1>the scripted. But I loved Julian and it was just

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<v Speaker 1>like because I knew him, and I just and and

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<v Speaker 1>I had just come off from my tour and I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to become Lenny Kravis. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>become myself, and I felt like I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>play somebody else. Not only that John Michelle's girlfriend who

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<v Speaker 1>was best friends with my old friend and the one

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<v Speaker 1>who found him dead, right, she had some things. It

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<v Speaker 1>just was the whole thing I was too close to.

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<v Speaker 1>All that was a side note and shameless plug I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about well, I didn't know that. Hell yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that you were the person they talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name was Kelly, a girl who is Johnny Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, So, but I talked about Julian because David

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<v Speaker 1>and Julian sort of had words about each other. David

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about Uh Bowie because he played he played right,

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<v Speaker 1>he played Andrew Worl. But yeah, I chameless plug. I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about Julian uh and uh Creative Quest my fourth book,

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<v Speaker 1>Creative Quests. So the Lee came over, Lee Daniels. Julian

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<v Speaker 1>Charon brings Lee over. Lee wants to meet you. Lee.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I've been trying to get you. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find you. I wanted you to be in

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<v Speaker 1>Monster's Ball, and I didn't getting a phone call. I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody called me back. Your people. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about. So he he wanted to I really

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<v Speaker 1>he was, but I knew nothing about him reaching out

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<v Speaker 1>to me. I had seen those films, yes, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there was a movie that he wanted me

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<v Speaker 1>to star in that was this really hardcore movie that

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<v Speaker 1>he never ended up making because it was soup for

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<v Speaker 1>me to say, Lee thought it was extra hardcore, tells

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<v Speaker 1>you how hardcore was Hane crazy? Hardcore crazy and life

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<v Speaker 1>and anyway, So he's like, until we make this movie,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you just come and play this part? And

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<v Speaker 1>then again in The Butler. We never ended up making

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<v Speaker 1>this film that I was supposed to start. But he

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<v Speaker 1>got me to do what he wanted me to do,

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<v Speaker 1>what he wanted me to do. But um, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was great. Man. I got to work in these films

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, Lenny, Yeah, I'm a guy. The greatest

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<v Speaker 1>night of my life. Okay, do you remember the dinner

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<v Speaker 1>remember after you saw The Butler for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>and the dinner that we went to at the Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant at end? Yes, who was that lawyer who was telling?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that your friend? Or was that Cuba Gooding? Who

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<v Speaker 1>was that Cuba's friend? That is the most mac Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't this is what I learned this night, so

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<v Speaker 1>the entire Yes, he's the great. I need that guy almost.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta find Cuba. You wouldn't even know he was

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<v Speaker 1>this big like defense lawyer, Like you think I love

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know his name? Do you think I love

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<v Speaker 1>telling stories? This guy was born to tell his story

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<v Speaker 1>like he he deserves to be at any dinner party whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire Butler cast just watches. That was your first

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<v Speaker 1>time I'm seeing complete Okay, so they all saw the

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<v Speaker 1>complete Butler whatever, and Zoey and I were at and

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<v Speaker 1>and she tells them like, you know, Dad's gonna join us,

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<v Speaker 1>And they were all sitting that a little booth in

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<v Speaker 1>the back we got was three but then it was

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<v Speaker 1>like three thousand people, so everyone came. So what I

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<v Speaker 1>learned this night was one the way that Forest Whittaker.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes Forest Whittaker two months to prepare for role

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<v Speaker 1>to get into character. So if there's an accent or

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<v Speaker 1>you know whatever, it is physically exactly, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>time before he was just I mean Scotland, right. So

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<v Speaker 1>the thing was he couldn't join us at the dinner

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<v Speaker 1>because he literally his process of getting rid of a

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<v Speaker 1>character is crying. So he had a hood he had

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<v Speaker 1>he had a hoodie on and some dark glasses and

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<v Speaker 1>he's not the Butler anymore. He was done. So once

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<v Speaker 1>he saw the movie and the only way for him

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<v Speaker 1>to become Fest Whittaker again, he walked from where's the

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant like in in downtown Rebecca. So he walked from

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<v Speaker 1>he walked from Tribeca all the way to Harlem, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said every films, it's not even like cheesecas. He's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is amazing to me because he's such as

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<v Speaker 1>he's such a method actor that the only way for

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<v Speaker 1>him to come back down to being Forest Whittaker again

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<v Speaker 1>is he has to physically boo in in sob the

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<v Speaker 1>character out. So he walks. So that's why he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>join it for dinner. But Cuba came came and he

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<v Speaker 1>was down. He was always down, Dude, I need Cuba

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<v Speaker 1>and his lawyer on the show to talk shit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever her thoughts of the story. I mean at the

1:10:02.439 --> 1:10:11.240
<v Speaker 1>time he was dealing with Lindsay Lohan and appearances and

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<v Speaker 1>the thing like, I only heard his side of the conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>and I realized that, uh, because she was in court

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<v Speaker 1>every week, that's the only way for her to really

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<v Speaker 1>generate any sort of like hide money monetary action was

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<v Speaker 1>the weird designers to court. So it would be waaying,

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<v Speaker 1>what no, well, Gucci, no, no, no, no no, We'll

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<v Speaker 1>call me back when you can work and then you

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<v Speaker 1>tell this like we were there for four hours. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was your boy, Cuba's boy. Yeah. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy doesn't look like a lawyer, looks like one of

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<v Speaker 1>the beastie boys when he's not in got a calf

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, New York kid. But yeah, Lenny, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta ask you something before we stop. Uh you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm realizing now that your entire story has definitely affected

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<v Speaker 1>my career just based on whatever you're associated with back then,

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<v Speaker 1>rippling and like whatever, but the one move you did

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<v Speaker 1>that definitely affected my career and I'm so happy about

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<v Speaker 1>I got one thing up on yeah, mm, which is

1:11:26.080 --> 1:11:32.760
<v Speaker 1>your design business? And first of all, where did this

1:11:32.960 --> 1:11:37.559
<v Speaker 1>come from? Like you wanting to like you're the most

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<v Speaker 1>buzzed about, spoken about and talked about furniture designer, art

1:11:44.680 --> 1:11:48.240
<v Speaker 1>deco person. I've ever like the way they talk about

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<v Speaker 1>you at at at Sandow and Culture and Commerce mm

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<v Speaker 1>hmm is crazy to me. But what I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know is you and I were in the audience of

1:12:00.000 --> 1:12:03.439
<v Speaker 1>the same time when this happened. So we're in an

1:12:03.439 --> 1:12:12.320
<v Speaker 1>audience during a legendary Kanye Brant Oh that which one right, right? Right? Okay?

1:12:12.360 --> 1:12:14.600
<v Speaker 1>So basically no, he didn't know I was there. I

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<v Speaker 1>know this. I had just landed in New York, decided

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<v Speaker 1>to go, went through the back door Master Square guard.

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<v Speaker 1>He had no idea I was there. I know this.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing was when I walked by you like

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<v Speaker 1>once once, it was like twenty five minutes, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta go. So I walked and Chris Rock was

1:12:35.120 --> 1:12:39.800
<v Speaker 1>there too. What do you do? He wasn't. Who's that

1:12:39.920 --> 1:12:45.439
<v Speaker 1>with about to say? Stringer Bill, y'all just so cool?

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<v Speaker 1>Drop another name? I don't know, it don't matter it

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<v Speaker 1>just anybody. I mean, Kanye isn't down, so everybody. But

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see you. I didn't see you right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You were sitting he was right, And so I walked

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<v Speaker 1>past you and then and looked at you. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>made me a drop of name song and we and

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<v Speaker 1>we strugged at each other's wife. Yeah, and we strugged

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<v Speaker 1>at each other. And but what you don't know is

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<v Speaker 1>that is what I said it in the motion. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the deal. Like Culture and Climate, I became the

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<v Speaker 1>original Nick in Paris that night. Yes, what I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know is number one, how long have you been

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<v Speaker 1>working with culture and commerce and sand for years? But this,

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing started back in those lofts in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City, my first album. I didn't have money to

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<v Speaker 1>buy furniture. I didn't have money to decorate, but I

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<v Speaker 1>loved vibe and ambiance and you know, creating that whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So in Soho at that time, you know, when I

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<v Speaker 1>was living in Soho, and in I mean Soho was

1:13:55.600 --> 1:13:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Broom Street was kind of nasty. We had rats, we

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<v Speaker 1>got a bunch of my friends got got held up

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<v Speaker 1>a knife point in my building. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was that kind of it was all artists spotting

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<v Speaker 1>around and um, so I would anyway. I would find

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<v Speaker 1>furniture on the street and remake it and and make

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and it do I want? Do you? Shelec sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a personal question. So, um, what what I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>is the last time you asked that? Do you not select?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but just as far as because when some

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<v Speaker 1>people listen to me, when people design, they're not hands

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<v Speaker 1>on designers. They don't select, they don't whittle, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>they outsourced. He's like, like, I know what it is.

1:14:52.560 --> 1:14:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying you don't get a comment. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying that you actually do the designing you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he yeah, you can. You hands not a license thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You just take my name and then just throw it

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<v Speaker 1>on exactly moment. That's what I'm trying to get with, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so at his well, I know that Latifa was

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<v Speaker 1>your first major Well that was the first, well I've

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<v Speaker 1>never done a set before. That was the first, the

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<v Speaker 1>original QLs. But I mean we've been doing hotels and

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<v Speaker 1>condos and products, and you know for the long you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from a you know, a role es date toned to

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<v Speaker 1>a like a camera to this that working with late

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<v Speaker 1>Star did they come did they come to you? They

1:15:34.680 --> 1:15:38.080
<v Speaker 1>came to you first? Correct? So that's the thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>basically this twenty five minute rent was and which ran

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<v Speaker 1>is this which was basically about how he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>manage design. He was basically just saying, like, you know

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<v Speaker 1>the whole like, let me design hotels. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>that one. The thing was he had been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>break into a particular firm, this firm mhm uh to

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<v Speaker 1>use him. And by the way, is he not killing

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<v Speaker 1>it Like with with the shoes, he wants more, he

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<v Speaker 1>wants more, He wants more from Jolly Murphy white Wall

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot about that wall, a white wall. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>and they they didn't take his phone calls, mainly because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a week come to you, you don't come to us.

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<v Speaker 1>But how did I get I don't remember how it started?

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<v Speaker 1>Remember what the thing is? You remember how it started?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't because you don't know your buzz yo. Like

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<v Speaker 1>for for all of us crabs in the pot, we

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<v Speaker 1>know that you broke to the other side for you

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<v Speaker 1>to design for culture and commerce. That's some secret illuminati.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn you. I didn't so okay, I rarely, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I might spoil a roots project or whatever. But half

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<v Speaker 1>a time when like some it like oh I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know you wrote a book. I just really like to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure some ship is done before I say ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of time. Oh you know next year, IM gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a book coming out DA. But I mean I will

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<v Speaker 1>say that once you once you were with that firm,

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<v Speaker 1>I I took a meeting with him, and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>got I got it started. It started telling about it

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<v Speaker 1>started with Philip start because he came and saw my

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<v Speaker 1>work in Paris and he's like, you need to be

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<v Speaker 1>doing this for real. And I was like, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean? He's like, you're really good. I like what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing. I see it. I feel like this. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna hook you up with my people. That's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Philip start ushered me in. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>did he come to the apartment be like you designed

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<v Speaker 1>playing in my house and he looked at everything. You

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<v Speaker 1>look at the furniture I made, look at the design,

1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:54.519
<v Speaker 1>look at all the stuff, the wallpaper we've made. He

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<v Speaker 1>looked at everything, and he was just like, really like,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to be doing this. And I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I do it, but he was he looked

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<v Speaker 1>at me like, no, you need to do this. You

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<v Speaker 1>should be doing this for real. So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>hook up with my people. That was it sex thing

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<v Speaker 1>I got, you know, I mean Releach start you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of minded the way that you didn't super

1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:19.920
<v Speaker 1>pimpot like the secret It's known in the design world

1:18:20.880 --> 1:18:23.040
<v Speaker 1>what a monster you are, Like, I mean, have you

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<v Speaker 1>been up for awards or any of that sort of thing.

1:18:26.080 --> 1:18:29.439
<v Speaker 1>But we've got great projects. Do you have an official titles?

1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:31.320
<v Speaker 1>For the longest, it was like, no one knew what

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to call yours? Gravis Design for name of

1:18:34.360 --> 1:18:37.040
<v Speaker 1>the company yeah. Yeah, we have an office on Crosby Street.

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<v Speaker 1>And you said there is an everyday person like lying

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<v Speaker 1>situation that if they wanted to have a do you

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<v Speaker 1>have some thank you one day? And we did? We

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<v Speaker 1>we did, we did. I did a line for CB

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<v Speaker 1>two that's not part of their permanent yeah thing, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that's accessible. You're gonna get where is pa? Thank you? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just getting to a someone busted. Are just that ikea?

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm ready to what's up? Anything? You want to

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<v Speaker 1>make it for you? Sorry? Let me please. She put

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<v Speaker 1>the jacket on like it don't matter no more. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>the jacket glance. You don't between that last minute. But

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<v Speaker 1>if I take it off, it's like those glans are

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<v Speaker 1>not a pro. I do want to because I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say I just spoke and I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Shaffer. I thought I thought he pushed just like him. Bro,

1:19:55.080 --> 1:19:57.960
<v Speaker 1>that's a compliment. I think I can't. I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>pushed the button. Let me. I just want to say,

1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:01.519
<v Speaker 1>I'll take you up on your offer because I just

1:20:01.600 --> 1:20:04.240
<v Speaker 1>moved into a new place, so don't make jokes. I

1:20:04.360 --> 1:20:09.519
<v Speaker 1>moved to Hollywood, Hollywood, Hollywood. Are you living in l a. Yeah,

1:20:09.600 --> 1:20:13.680
<v Speaker 1>it's a long story, because that's a problem at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Take ship. I mean, no, no, no, I just thought

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<v Speaker 1>we were all. I thought this was a New York

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<v Speaker 1>crew here sound especially I'm from day and then kind

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<v Speaker 1>of raising Phillyward High School across the street at Bannocker Clark, Atlanta. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is about to be the most fun show

1:20:33.280 --> 1:20:35.679
<v Speaker 1>there is. I was about to say, because you actually

1:20:35.760 --> 1:20:37.519
<v Speaker 1>let us do a double episode, that's all I want

1:20:37.520 --> 1:20:43.200
<v Speaker 1>to shout out to Carl and Donovan is like, what

1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:46.880
<v Speaker 1>the I appreciate this man. I was waiting for the

1:20:46.920 --> 1:20:49.160
<v Speaker 1>food to come out, and you know we would. We

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<v Speaker 1>tried that the first episode with my routol and we

1:20:51.760 --> 1:20:55.760
<v Speaker 1>all fell sleep. You know, culinary, you know I used

1:20:55.760 --> 1:20:58.080
<v Speaker 1>to feed, but then like we should have a seed here.

1:20:58.240 --> 1:21:02.000
<v Speaker 1>It was behold like stole thing back there, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just have a private chef. Guys in from over

1:21:06.280 --> 1:21:09.760
<v Speaker 1>the world. I love food, you know, that's the whole

1:21:09.840 --> 1:21:13.680
<v Speaker 1>thing too. So yeah, you know, boss, I need us

1:21:13.720 --> 1:21:15.599
<v Speaker 1>eat it on the air because people will be tuning

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<v Speaker 1>in the microphone. We can do it maybe during it.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the day, I used to eat his chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's right. The picture of you with them. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how we did take a picture. Yeah, that was

1:21:26.720 --> 1:21:30.600
<v Speaker 1>early Instagram days. You're there the ground floor. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>like vegan now or I go through well? Last year

1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:37.439
<v Speaker 1>I was raw, raw vegan. Yeah, I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>how can you still looking with a teenager? Yeah, I'm

1:21:40.120 --> 1:21:44.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna need to know. I'm going nutritionus number, trainer's number.

1:21:46.080 --> 1:21:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what gaming weight is? Or having a

1:21:47.840 --> 1:21:51.800
<v Speaker 1>stomach or because I gotta launch you back, launch you

1:21:51.880 --> 1:21:54.880
<v Speaker 1>back off season, I can you know, have a little fun.

1:21:55.000 --> 1:21:57.680
<v Speaker 1>But you know, like do you work out like you

1:21:57.760 --> 1:21:59.479
<v Speaker 1>just seem like I do. I work stuck in a

1:21:59.520 --> 1:22:02.960
<v Speaker 1>teenage work out and I eat clean. You know if

1:22:03.000 --> 1:22:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you could, would you just retire and get fat? There's

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<v Speaker 1>a side of me. See, there's a big inside of me.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know. You don't understand. You don't know. I understand.

1:22:18.600 --> 1:22:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Her name is Mabel. I can get like I would

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<v Speaker 1>shock you if I was just saying like like forget

1:22:30.680 --> 1:22:35.080
<v Speaker 1>about it, like like let's just go. Yeah, I mean

1:22:35.120 --> 1:22:38.519
<v Speaker 1>I can do it, So I keep I keep her

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<v Speaker 1>at bay. Speaking of running, Speaking of running and jogging

1:22:44.360 --> 1:22:47.280
<v Speaker 1>and working out, what happened that day in Miami with

1:22:47.360 --> 1:22:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the cops. Oh bank robber man. That's the song I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up on that record. Yeah. I was jogging in

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<v Speaker 1>Miami and outside of my neighborhood just a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and a bank had been robbed at that time. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was wearing like army fatigues and a T shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently the guy who robbed a bank was wearing

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<v Speaker 1>army fatigues and a T shirt. And I got guns

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<v Speaker 1>to my fara, four or five six cars, guns pointed,

1:23:16.920 --> 1:23:19.519
<v Speaker 1>pulled out me and my boy jogging. It was like,

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<v Speaker 1>froz that that wasn't the first I've had guns in

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<v Speaker 1>my head before. Did you say, dude, I'm Lenny Kravitz. No,

1:23:24.760 --> 1:23:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't say No, he's and and my the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who's running with me is like he works with me

1:23:32.479 --> 1:23:35.680
<v Speaker 1>and the security too, and he's like kind of child like.

1:23:35.760 --> 1:23:39.040
<v Speaker 1>He's like, um, look at him, did you see who?

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<v Speaker 1>Not that it matters. I could robbed a bank, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were and they were doing the thing where

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<v Speaker 1>so they had like five six cars guns drawn. We're

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there against the car they're waiting to drive the

1:23:51.200 --> 1:23:56.640
<v Speaker 1>woman who's like eighty from the bank. If it's me

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<v Speaker 1>and all I'm seeing is like the Hurricane movie and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this one. And I was just like, oh God, and

1:24:04.360 --> 1:24:07.400
<v Speaker 1>she drove by. I saw her drive by slow, She's

1:24:07.439 --> 1:24:10.479
<v Speaker 1>looking out the window. And they left me and then

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<v Speaker 1>they find out who I was, and then it was

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<v Speaker 1>a whole I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so

1:24:14.120 --> 1:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>sorry that. Yeah, but this is definitely gonna be your

1:24:18.040 --> 1:24:21.120
<v Speaker 1>fifty million dollar wall seat. I just didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get shot. You're not thinking about none of that stuff?

1:24:24.760 --> 1:24:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Flow rider. Wow, I'm sorry. Yeah, you did the thing

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<v Speaker 1>for the Chris Rock Show, right, that's right? Can I

1:24:34.960 --> 1:24:46.040
<v Speaker 1>get a copy of what's alright? So? What questions are

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<v Speaker 1>we going to to text each other that we forgot

1:24:47.920 --> 1:24:50.759
<v Speaker 1>to ask? We did for ness of parodies, we did designs,

1:24:51.479 --> 1:24:54.160
<v Speaker 1>we did the acting. Oh I got one, I got one.

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<v Speaker 1>Um in the eighties, what were the alternative black people

1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:02.280
<v Speaker 1>listening too? I've always wanted that, like, aside from like

1:25:02.360 --> 1:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Fishbone and Bad Brains, like what other black musicians that

1:25:05.680 --> 1:25:07.600
<v Speaker 1>was kind of that was just kind of a Fishbone,

1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Bad Babs of course, Bob Marley, but everybody was listening

1:25:10.400 --> 1:25:13.080
<v Speaker 1>by mine? What were you listening to? The Trouble Funky

1:25:13.360 --> 1:25:16.400
<v Speaker 1>travel Funk. I used to go to them shows? Man?

1:25:18.280 --> 1:25:23.760
<v Speaker 1>What used to go to the Palladium? Race Jones? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you name my five albums yet? No? He didn't. He's

1:25:26.000 --> 1:25:28.200
<v Speaker 1>got one. I had that written down first. Well, you

1:25:28.280 --> 1:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>asked me during the time I was making that level lu,

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<v Speaker 1>But what are your five albums of life? That's hard man? Okay, alright,

1:25:37.560 --> 1:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have the name everyone gets because we're going

1:25:41.360 --> 1:25:45.519
<v Speaker 1>to close on those. Did you ask, Oh, yeah, I

1:25:45.560 --> 1:25:50.640
<v Speaker 1>think I got Almos anything anything, anything? Okay, let love

1:25:50.760 --> 1:25:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Rule Time. What were your five albums? Inter Visions? Okay,

1:25:56.000 --> 1:26:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Talking Book, Access, Bold is Love Yah. Um, that's three? Um? Wow?

1:26:09.760 --> 1:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>What else was I listening to at that time? Oh?

1:26:12.560 --> 1:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Bob Marley, um uh, Catch a Fire, Um, Pink Floyd,

1:26:19.120 --> 1:26:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Dark Side at the Moon. Okay, Now it's a sub question.

1:26:23.560 --> 1:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Who what did you get him to after you were

1:26:27.840 --> 1:26:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Lenny Kravitz as in like late in the game, mm hmmm.

1:26:32.960 --> 1:26:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't grow up on the Beatles. My dad

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<v Speaker 1>had it, but I was like whatever. But then after

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<v Speaker 1>a billion Paul's boutique samples that I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, and then I got into the Beetles.

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<v Speaker 1>But who's the one artist that we'd be shocked that

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<v Speaker 1>you got into after the age of That's a good question. Um, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing that I mentioned did John Lennon solo

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<v Speaker 1>material knew nothing about it? Knew nothing about it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, last ding. Your entire uh Bahamas Barhamas are

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<v Speaker 1>permuter Bahamas. Okay, entire state in the Bahamas is on fire. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what five things are you saving? Mm hmmm not all

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<v Speaker 1>human beings are already out? My gold top les Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>that's been on every record since probably gonna go my way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my number one studio guitar uh to this day. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still there. Um what else is going? Let's see,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a lot there. Um, it's mostly gear,

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<v Speaker 1>so everything in my house. I'm well, I got a

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Evans console that's in my house. Can you carry that? Wait?

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<v Speaker 1>Another bucket list question that's got I want that the

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<v Speaker 1>Beatles time out. The Beatles board on the beach. Was

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<v Speaker 1>that some real ship or just some meet up ship? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it was there for years. I heard a story that

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<v Speaker 1>you found an old Beatles board. No, No, I I

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<v Speaker 1>owned the Beatles. I owned the Abbey Road equipment that

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<v Speaker 1>the four track, the two track, and the tape machine.

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<v Speaker 1>Your mom is like, we gotta get down. Question I

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<v Speaker 1>swear the last question. Yeah, I I own the beat

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<v Speaker 1>Since since are you gonna go? My way? Still use

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<v Speaker 1>that board? I just sold it. Why it's a Beatles board,

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<v Speaker 1>you know why? It was just I wasn't using it

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<v Speaker 1>so much anymore. I have other Beetle inputs, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know what, it's sitting here, and somebody

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<v Speaker 1>offered me a lot of bread for it. There you go,

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. You know. Sometimes you got just move

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<v Speaker 1>things around, all right? So your goal is Paul, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Evan's console out of my house. Um. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a collection of gold records in my studio that are

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<v Speaker 1>from famous artists. These are pop culture artifacts. So I've

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<v Speaker 1>got Hendricks. I've got Hendricks only made four albums. I

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<v Speaker 1>have two of his Goal records. I have from Access, Boldness,

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<v Speaker 1>Love and are You Experience. I have Slides records. I

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<v Speaker 1>have Beatle records. I have Icontina records. I have Chain

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<v Speaker 1>of Fools. Uh, you know a wreath. I've got the Who.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a whole collection like these are the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that are awarded to those to those people, but they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have many more and they got So that's four

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<v Speaker 1>things and then uh, the fifth thing would be uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I have the working lyrics to Sergeant Pepper's when Paul

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<v Speaker 1>wrote it, Wow, Mike, motherfucking drop right and behalf boss

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Sugar Steve Fantigolo and it's like, let thank you

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<v Speaker 1>everything life, yes right here, yes, ah, this is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna hear all this part. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy jam gave us an extra four hours seventh and

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<v Speaker 1>he still asked me for like, you know, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what. We'll come back in a few months when

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<v Speaker 1>I get back in New York and we'll do three

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<v Speaker 1>and four. I gotta hear a tour stories. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>finished the rest of the album, and we'll hear what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on. Yeah, we're still waiting for the blackout love

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<v Speaker 1>that title. It's Philia time right now. Anyway. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love new album, Question Love Supreme. Wait wait when

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<v Speaker 1>is the apration? When is it out? Yes? September, September, September,

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, September. Man, all right, thank you very much,

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. Good night, ladies and gentlemen. This Question Love,

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme was the production of I heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora