1
00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,800
Speaker 1: Our guest today, quite possibly the greatest white athlete to

2
00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,520
Speaker 1: ever be on this earth, a man who has been

3
00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,639
Speaker 1: said got an apartment his rookie year, had a bed,

4
00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,160
Speaker 1: no TV, just for his iPad, so he could be

5
00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,920
Speaker 1: the greatest. Somehow went to Boston College. Should have gone

6
00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,439
Speaker 1: to the University of Michigan or Nebraska. Ladies and gentlemen,

7
00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,400
Speaker 1: give your give a rat a pause for Luke Keickley.

8
00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,960
Speaker 2: When it drops one day Hall of Fame, all white teamer.

9
00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,400
Speaker 3: There we go.

10
00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,000
Speaker 2: Gotta be starting backer, bro, Welcome to the bus.

11
00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,600
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. It's good to be on here.

12
00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, So why do you want to start? How

13
00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:38,960
Speaker 1: do you want to do this?

14
00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,560
Speaker 3: Hey?

15
00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,879
Speaker 1: Yes, right right, okay, I'll take this.

16
00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,880
Speaker 2: Go ahead and start because I'm just looking at it.

17
00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,960
Speaker 2: That's that's him, that's that.

18
00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you want to start early in his life

19
00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:52,519
Speaker 1: or younger than.

20
00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:54,080
Speaker 3: I?

21
00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:54,320
Speaker 2: Like?

22
00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,560
Speaker 1: That's Did you tell Luke that you actually played two

23
00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:58,880
Speaker 1: more years in the NFL than him?

24
00:00:59,040 --> 00:00:59,200
Speaker 3: No?

25
00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,560
Speaker 2: I figured we could to that point.

26
00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,720
Speaker 1: It's a fact. I can't run from that situation. We

27
00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,560
Speaker 1: get to that point, you get to that point eventually.

28
00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go ahead and start it off, all right,

29
00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,600
Speaker 2: kick it well. I started to gather my thoughts.

30
00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,720
Speaker 1: Loo because of field to be the best white linebacker

31
00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:12,080
Speaker 1: ever live.

32
00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,600
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So Brian er Lacker was the guy

33
00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,399
Speaker 3: that I grew up watching him and Zach Thomas are

34
00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,880
Speaker 3: pretty daggon good. And then Chicago guy Dick Buckets. I

35
00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,920
Speaker 3: feel like he kind of kind of got it all

36
00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,640
Speaker 3: rolling a little bit. Can you hear me get it close? Yeah?

37
00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,120
Speaker 3: But uh it was fun. Man. The game of football

38
00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,520
Speaker 3: is special. And the guys that I grew up watching Lack,

39
00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,480
Speaker 3: Zach Thomas, Derek Brooks, Ray Lewis, those are the dudes

40
00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,240
Speaker 3: that when I was growing up, I want to I

41
00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,160
Speaker 3: want to be like those guys.

42
00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,440
Speaker 1: When did the bug hit you? Because everything I know,

43
00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,760
Speaker 1: this is obviously the first time we've met. Yeah, but

44
00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,600
Speaker 1: playing against you, practicing against you one time when you.

45
00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,600
Speaker 2: Brutal, terrible actually practices.

46
00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,280
Speaker 1: We went away did joint practice. And I was always

47
00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,880
Speaker 1: told this guy Luke Keigley, like he is a football guy.

48
00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,480
Speaker 1: He's a machine. The way he operates, he calls out plays.

49
00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,680
Speaker 1: You have so many clips of guys saying, oh, we

50
00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,120
Speaker 1: would be sitting there, we checked to a play, and

51
00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,960
Speaker 1: then you would call out to play. It was no

52
00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,760
Speaker 1: difference when we were in practice. I actually, I don't

53
00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,200
Speaker 1: know if you read this. I walked up to you

54
00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,160
Speaker 1: in the middle of practice between plays and said something

55
00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,080
Speaker 1: to you. You were like a goddamn robot, like.

56
00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,600
Speaker 3: You were so dialag I was hot and trying to

57
00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,959
Speaker 3: get me off the field. It dials what you were.

58
00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,320
Speaker 1: So when did the bug hit? When did you realize, Okay,

59
00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,560
Speaker 1: football is what I want to do with my life.

60
00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,040
Speaker 3: I think growing up I wanted to play football, probably

61
00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,519
Speaker 3: start in like second or third grade. You know, you

62
00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,280
Speaker 3: grew up in the Midwest. I grew up in Ohio.

63
00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,600
Speaker 3: The first game that pops on is at noon, so

64
00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,440
Speaker 3: you wake up on Saturday. We always would have football

65
00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,040
Speaker 3: practice on Saturday mornings. We play on Sundays, and then

66
00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,560
Speaker 3: you'd watch college football all day. So I think for

67
00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,200
Speaker 3: me it was started as a young age. That's the

68
00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,400
Speaker 3: one game that I wanted to play, and we didn't

69
00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,800
Speaker 3: have an opportunity to play in twil I was in

70
00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,440
Speaker 3: fourth grade because just how the school was set up.

71
00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,160
Speaker 3: My dad didn't play football. We weren't really a football

72
00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,760
Speaker 3: family growing up, so by the time I got involved

73
00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,280
Speaker 3: with it, I was in fourth grade. And my brother

74
00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,680
Speaker 3: was in fifth grade and we just played on the

75
00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,480
Speaker 3: local school team. It was a group of I think

76
00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,000
Speaker 3: it was Saint Mike's Our Lady Is, the Sacred Heart

77
00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,560
Speaker 3: is where I went to school, and then Saint Xavier.

78
00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,560
Speaker 3: Those are the three team, three schools that made up

79
00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,080
Speaker 3: the team. So it was really like third grade that

80
00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,560
Speaker 3: I want, I knew I wanted to play, and then

81
00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,280
Speaker 3: fourth grade is the first year that actually played.

82
00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, why Boston College? Like coming to were you? Were

83
00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,520
Speaker 2: you an offer guy coming out of high school?

84
00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I knew. You know, when you're coming up,

85
00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,000
Speaker 3: you never expect you're gonna play in the NFL. I

86
00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,760
Speaker 3: think for me, it was always what's the next logical

87
00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,840
Speaker 3: step for me? So when you're in grade school, you

88
00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,800
Speaker 3: want to play on So it was third and fourth,

89
00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,960
Speaker 3: fifth and sixth, seventh and eighth. So when you move

90
00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,799
Speaker 3: up to fifth grade you're on the fifth and sixth team,

91
00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,760
Speaker 3: you want to play on that team, and then as

92
00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,440
Speaker 3: a sixth grader you play, and then on seventh grade

93
00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,200
Speaker 3: you go back in the same situation and then you

94
00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,520
Speaker 3: get to high school. We had a freshman team, a

95
00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,840
Speaker 3: JV team, and a varsity team. So my goal in

96
00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,320
Speaker 3: high school was to play on the varsity on the

97
00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:45,760
Speaker 3: varsity team as a junior.

98
00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,000
Speaker 1: It was crazy.

99
00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,040
Speaker 3: It's crazy. We just had we had so many we had.

100
00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,040
Speaker 3: I went to a private all or a Catholic Jesuit

101
00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,880
Speaker 3: all boys school in Cincinnati. That's kind of one of

102
00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,160
Speaker 3: the reasons I went to BC. But there's sixteen hundred

103
00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,480
Speaker 3: boys and we probably had, you know, three to four

104
00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,760
Speaker 3: hundred kids in the football program.

105
00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was huge, three to four hundred years.

106
00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,400
Speaker 1: So your school is one of the reasons why Ohio

107
00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,440
Speaker 1: always looked at such a big.

108
00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were Southwest Ohigo, so we had like one hundred

109
00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,160
Speaker 3: and thirty five hundred and forty kids on the freshman team.

110
00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,839
Speaker 3: The jv team was just sophomores, and then that was

111
00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,080
Speaker 3: probably seventy eighty kids, and then on the varsity team

112
00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,360
Speaker 3: was like one hundred and forty kids again, so those

113
00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:27,680
Speaker 3: numbers get big quick. I went to BC because academically

114
00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,000
Speaker 3: was really strong. That was one thing that my parents

115
00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,080
Speaker 3: talk to me a lot about was go somewhere that

116
00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,039
Speaker 3: you wouldn't be able to get into without football. So

117
00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,040
Speaker 3: I wasn't getting in the Boston College. I looked at

118
00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,840
Speaker 3: Stanford wasn't getting to get in there. Duke and then

119
00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,520
Speaker 3: Virginia were the schools that I was looking at, and

120
00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,440
Speaker 3: I was like, I can't get in to any of

121
00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,200
Speaker 3: these schools without football, and I'm like, if I can

122
00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,280
Speaker 3: get a scholarship twenty these schools, I got an opportunity

123
00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,040
Speaker 3: to get a five year education of Masters for free

124
00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,680
Speaker 3: and go play football. So that's kind of what you're

125
00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,800
Speaker 3: thinking coming out. And Tom O'Brien was a Saint Xavier guy.

126
00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,000
Speaker 3: That's we went to high school. He went to Saint

127
00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,200
Speaker 3: Xavier and then he ended up coaching at Boston College

128
00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,440
Speaker 3: and started pulling kids out of the high school to

129
00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,600
Speaker 3: go to play football Boston College. So we probably had

130
00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,440
Speaker 3: a kid there for I don't know, twenty years in

131
00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,599
Speaker 3: a row from the high school, just overlapping, and the

132
00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,800
Speaker 3: guys that went to school there had a ton of success.

133
00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,120
Speaker 3: A lot of them were team captains, a lot of

134
00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,760
Speaker 3: them played really well, and it was a really How

135
00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,880
Speaker 3: that program was run was very similar to how the

136
00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,200
Speaker 3: program was running Cincinnati at Saint Xavior High School. Just toughness,

137
00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,359
Speaker 3: playing hard, doing the right thing. We didn't always have

138
00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,680
Speaker 3: the best athletes, but we played really well as a team,

139
00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,159
Speaker 3: and when I was being recruited, Matt Ryan was there.

140
00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,000
Speaker 3: So were they got as high as number two? They

141
00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,400
Speaker 3: beat Virginia Tech and Blacksburg on that pass across the

142
00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,960
Speaker 3: field from Matt I think I think Andre Calender caught

143
00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,960
Speaker 3: that ball and there was just a ton of hype

144
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,080
Speaker 3: around them when I was being recruited, and it was

145
00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,400
Speaker 3: good academically. It was outside of Boston. I knew guys

146
00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,839
Speaker 3: that were There was a Jesuit school just like my

147
00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,320
Speaker 3: high school, and they were playing really really good football

148
00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:56,680
Speaker 3: at the time.

149
00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,280
Speaker 2: So were you an overachiever? Like were you a beast

150
00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,680
Speaker 2: in high school as well? Like, are any guys in

151
00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,040
Speaker 2: that school that three to four hundred? Are there any

152
00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,400
Speaker 2: freshmen or guys playing varsity? No?

153
00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,719
Speaker 3: So, I mean, you know, my my freshman year, I

154
00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,360
Speaker 3: didn't play a whole lot. We had we had since

155
00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,000
Speaker 3: the team was so big. We had an A team

156
00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,400
Speaker 3: and a B team, So the A team would play

157
00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,360
Speaker 3: like on a Wednesday, and the B team would play

158
00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,599
Speaker 3: on a Thursday. So we'd play the other freshman team. Yeah,

159
00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:28,720
Speaker 3: so they played on I think on Saturdays. No, the

160
00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,280
Speaker 3: varsity team played Friday nights and then we played Saturdays. Typically,

161
00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,520
Speaker 3: I think is what happened. So freshmen don't play varsity typically,

162
00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,320
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't know the last time it's happened.

163
00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,599
Speaker 3: Occasionally you'll get like two or three sophomores play varsity,

164
00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,560
Speaker 3: but they got to be dudes. But I would say

165
00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,440
Speaker 3: that eighty five percent of guys don't aren't on the

166
00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,160
Speaker 3: varsity team until they're juniors.

167
00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:54,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's why your goal was. I thinking

168
00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,880
Speaker 1: you like, if you had the bug, if you had

169
00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,160
Speaker 1: this kind of drive, the way everyone sees and talks

170
00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,039
Speaker 1: about this kid to have been a freshman on varsity,

171
00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,360
Speaker 1: but this it seems like an absolute powerhouse.

172
00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I loved I loved the game of football.

173
00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,320
Speaker 3: I was small, so my freshman year I played outside linebacker,

174
00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,000
Speaker 3: and my sophomore year they moved me to tight end

175
00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,160
Speaker 3: because the backers that we had they were bigger than me.

176
00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,720
Speaker 3: They're they're just better. So my sophomore year, those guys

177
00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,880
Speaker 3: all play backer, and then I played tight end, and

178
00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,679
Speaker 3: then my junior ed studies. I was a good blocker.

179
00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeahball, I'll tell you what.

180
00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,120
Speaker 3: I'm so glad I didn't have to play offense because

181
00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,240
Speaker 3: all formations and trades and shifts you play mike backer.

182
00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,640
Speaker 3: You just line up in the middle of the field. Yeah,

183
00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:33,720
Speaker 3: you don't got to go anywhere.

184
00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,240
Speaker 1: You're also calling out all those trades, formations and ship.

185
00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's but off. There was a guy named Ryan Long.

186
00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,920
Speaker 3: He played right tackle and he played tight end in

187
00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,280
Speaker 3: the year before, and then I think in like training camp,

188
00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,880
Speaker 3: and then they moved me to tight end and they

189
00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,720
Speaker 3: moved him to tackle. So he knew all the formation.

190
00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,239
Speaker 3: So I'd line up next to him in the huddle.

191
00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,520
Speaker 3: They called the play make where do I line up?

192
00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,600
Speaker 3: So I Ryan Long was like my my life support, uh,

193
00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,520
Speaker 3: playing tight end. And then I switched back to linebacker

194
00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,280
Speaker 3: as a junior, and then I played like a hybrid

195
00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:05,920
Speaker 3: safety as a senior.

196
00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,360
Speaker 1: So, so as a junior on varsity, were you starting

197
00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,240
Speaker 1: at that point? I did, Okay, that's one when they was.

198
00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,160
Speaker 3: So I started to grow. I started to grow a

199
00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,480
Speaker 3: little bit. I got a little bigger.

200
00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,280
Speaker 2: How big were you going into BC?

201
00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,400
Speaker 3: Oh man? So I played my senior year at like

202
00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,920
Speaker 3: two twelve, and then I got to BC. I was

203
00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,120
Speaker 3: probably like two eighteen. So I played I don't know,

204
00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,240
Speaker 3: two eighteen, two twenty as a freshman, and then like

205
00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,080
Speaker 3: two twenty eight as a sophomore, and then as a junior,

206
00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,319
Speaker 3: I played like two thirty one, two thirty two, Just a.

207
00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,840
Speaker 2: Thicky When did you know in college that hey, I

208
00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,400
Speaker 2: might have something. I might have a future in the NFL.

209
00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,160
Speaker 3: So I think you know you? So in college it

210
00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,440
Speaker 3: was interesting because Mark Kurzlik, you guys remember him Monster. Yeah,

211
00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,559
Speaker 3: so Mark Hurzlik was a junior. I went to spring game.

212
00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,400
Speaker 3: He was he was going into his what was.

213
00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,920
Speaker 2: It because he got done with his junior year, right,

214
00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,640
Speaker 2: he was like a first round potential cancer thing happened. Yeah,

215
00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,079
Speaker 2: he fought his sat out a year.

216
00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,840
Speaker 3: I go to spring ball, going as when I'm a senior,

217
00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,400
Speaker 3: Mark's going to be a He's he's going to be

218
00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,440
Speaker 3: a senior in college. So it's his spring ball before

219
00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,760
Speaker 3: his senior year, and they'd been telling me like, Mark's

220
00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,280
Speaker 3: got like a low back hamstring thing, He's probably not

221
00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:18,920
Speaker 3: going to play a lot in the spring. Amos bummed

222
00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,040
Speaker 3: because I wanted to watch him play. So he goes

223
00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,160
Speaker 3: and plays, a couple of snaps comes out, and then

224
00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,959
Speaker 3: like a couple of weeks later it's he's got ewing

225
00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,080
Speaker 3: sarcoma bone cancer. So I get there I get to school.

226
00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,120
Speaker 3: Mark's out the whole year. Essentially, he red shirted as

227
00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,640
Speaker 3: he was dealing with cancer. I don't know how the

228
00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,360
Speaker 3: guy did it. He was there all the time, worked

229
00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,280
Speaker 3: out every day, was still big and strong, was in

230
00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,679
Speaker 3: all the meetings. He was fantastic as a young guy

231
00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,960
Speaker 3: to come cancer ball. Yeah he had gone through chemo, radiation, everything.

232
00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,600
Speaker 3: But he was a great older guy to have at

233
00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,480
Speaker 3: BC as a freshman. He wasn't playing, so there was

234
00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,480
Speaker 3: like no stress of I mean, he was dealing with

235
00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:54,520
Speaker 3: cancer obviously, but.

236
00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a that is a football thing to say. Yes,

237
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,400
Speaker 1: the distress of playing as crazy.

238
00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:06,439
Speaker 3: So so then Mark's out. Mike mcloffin was our Mike linebacker.

239
00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,120
Speaker 3: He's like the prototype from Massachusetts. He had he had

240
00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,480
Speaker 3: the cowboy collar, neck roll, he had the little bull ring. Yeah,

241
00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,400
Speaker 3: he wore the diaper chin strap. No he didn't. He

242
00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,120
Speaker 3: had a diaper chin strap, but then he switched over

243
00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,079
Speaker 3: to the pad in one. But he was like the prototype.

244
00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,360
Speaker 3: He was coming back from an achilles, so he was

245
00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,000
Speaker 3: going to miss the first couple games of the season

246
00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,440
Speaker 3: and then I don't know, a week or two in

247
00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,600
Speaker 3: the training camp are starting Mike backer. Will Thompson gets

248
00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,480
Speaker 3: like a shoulder stinger. So I'm over with the freshman

249
00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,920
Speaker 3: doing inside run, get my teeth kicked in, and they

250
00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,240
Speaker 3: just needed a mic backer, so they called me over

251
00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,600
Speaker 3: and I had to go over as like little skinny

252
00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,439
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty pound luke and play against the

253
00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,839
Speaker 3: older guys and just get my teeth kicked in. I

254
00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,679
Speaker 3: was like, this is awful. And my coach came up

255
00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,200
Speaker 3: to me after the after that period and he's like,

256
00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,400
Speaker 3: I was pretty terrible. You got to figure it out

257
00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,680
Speaker 3: because you're going to play week one because we don't

258
00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,600
Speaker 3: have anybody else. I was like, what about this guy?

259
00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,719
Speaker 3: And he's like, well that guy, uh, that guy got

260
00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,680
Speaker 3: popped for a drug test, so he can't play either.

261
00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:07,800
Speaker 3: So if you're.

262
00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,480
Speaker 1: Looking at the saying, hey, you're being told you're gonna

263
00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,400
Speaker 1: play week one, but you're like, hey, what about that guy.

264
00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,040
Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, yeah, I'm like I'm my confidence is zero.

265
00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,280
Speaker 3: So hers Lick's out, max out. Will Thompson gets hurt,

266
00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,400
Speaker 3: guy gets popped for a drug test, and then before

267
00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,880
Speaker 3: you know, your top four guys are out and so

268
00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,200
Speaker 3: there's really no one left. Like, hey, week one, you're

269
00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,240
Speaker 3: just gonna have to figure it out. So the first

270
00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,160
Speaker 3: couple of games this season or disaster, you go down

271
00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,000
Speaker 3: the Clemson we play in Death Valley against C. J.

272
00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,559
Speaker 3: Spiller and that they had daikuon Bowers and they had another,

273
00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,440
Speaker 3: they had an I forget another.

274
00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,520
Speaker 1: He's back there. JP's a South Carolina guy. He hates

275
00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,400
Speaker 1: every time they're mentioned. They have they have to be

276
00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:48,920
Speaker 1: trashed off.

277
00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. So but then you make a couple of plays

278
00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,560
Speaker 3: in those games You're like, you know, I got a chance.

279
00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,360
Speaker 3: And then I remember my sophomore year was when I

280
00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,120
Speaker 3: was like, okay, you played against in Clemson against you know, CJ. Spiller,

281
00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,680
Speaker 3: and then you just start going through the guys that

282
00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,480
Speaker 3: you play against. You're like, these guys are all getting

283
00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,080
Speaker 3: drafted in the NFL, Like this might actually be an

284
00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,600
Speaker 3: opportunity for me. So it's it's just interesting how you

285
00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,240
Speaker 3: go from high school you want to play on the

286
00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,360
Speaker 3: varsity team do as a freshman like you, I don't

287
00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,000
Speaker 3: really have a choice. You get in there and play

288
00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,320
Speaker 3: and then you're like, man, I'm this is fun. I'm

289
00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,120
Speaker 3: starting to have some success. And then you fast forward.

290
00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,640
Speaker 3: You kind of the next thing you look forward too

291
00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,640
Speaker 3: is like I love the game of football. I've had

292
00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,760
Speaker 3: a ton of fun. I'd love to keep playing this

293
00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,680
Speaker 3: as long as I can. So you kind of look back,

294
00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,600
Speaker 3: as probably probably three quarters of the way through my

295
00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,280
Speaker 3: sophomore year, you look back and you're like, these are

296
00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,400
Speaker 3: the guys that I've played against. This has been their

297
00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,679
Speaker 3: career in the NFL. Like maybe I got a chance.

298
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,920
Speaker 1: So there wasn't like a specific play in mind that

299
00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,440
Speaker 1: you made a big play and you're like, oh shit, okay,

300
00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,560
Speaker 1: I can do this. It was a reflection period for you,

301
00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,480
Speaker 1: but you're going to look back and kind of be like,

302
00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,199
Speaker 1: all right, all these guys are playing in the NFL.

303
00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,240
Speaker 2: This means I can do X, Y and Z as well. Yeah.

304
00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,600
Speaker 3: I just think you you know, you look at it

305
00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,360
Speaker 3: and you're like, I've played in like big games. We

306
00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,960
Speaker 3: played at Clemson, we played at Florida State, we played

307
00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,600
Speaker 3: at Notre Dame, and you like, these are the these

308
00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,560
Speaker 3: are the teams in the situations that you grew up

309
00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,880
Speaker 3: watching and now you get a chance to be in them.

310
00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,960
Speaker 3: And it's something I always tell guys, like, you need

311
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,600
Speaker 3: to enjoy the game because when it's gone, it's gone.

312
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,640
Speaker 3: So I was so when I was playing so laser

313
00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,439
Speaker 3: focused on football in the process that you don't ever

314
00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,559
Speaker 3: take a second to really look back and say, damn,

315
00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,480
Speaker 3: like that was that was pretty cool? You know.

316
00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're sophomore junior, you're correct me if I'm wrong,

317
00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,840
Speaker 2: But you led the NCAA and tackles.

318
00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we just we were on the field a lot.

319
00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,440
Speaker 3: We were on the field a lot. We didn't you

320
00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,040
Speaker 3: kind of we kind of really didn't have a choice.

321
00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,920
Speaker 3: You know, you played eighty ninety snaps, like you got

322
00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,400
Speaker 3: more opportunities especially you know. The other thing too, is

323
00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,320
Speaker 3: like we weren't ahead a lot late. So you know

324
00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:47,640
Speaker 3: what happens at the end of the game. Their teams

325
00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,160
Speaker 3: are running four minute, they're gonna run the ball and

326
00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,439
Speaker 3: they got they got five or six run plays, and

327
00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,360
Speaker 3: they're gonna run power. They're gonna lead, and they're gonna

328
00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,920
Speaker 3: run stretch. It's like perfect, all right, here we go.

329
00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,800
Speaker 2: Buddy. Every time he like you'd see a statu sheet

330
00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,000
Speaker 2: on like league leaders, and he's sitting there every week

331
00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,680
Speaker 2: averaging like fifteen tackles a game. That is I'm thinking,

332
00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,880
Speaker 2: who is this louke Keekley guy from that he must

333
00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,240
Speaker 2: be on the field a lot, yeahst lot, Like the

334
00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,320
Speaker 2: excuse to the competitor makes like, oh they got.

335
00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,280
Speaker 3: Well, you know what's funny is you look at all

336
00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,520
Speaker 3: those things and like people are lying if they don't

337
00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,440
Speaker 3: look at that stuff. Right. So then I went and

338
00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,600
Speaker 3: looked at it one time and it had number of

339
00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,640
Speaker 3: snaps played and it was like we had a gazillion.

340
00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,680
Speaker 3: And then you go look at like Alabama that got

341
00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,400
Speaker 3: like Dante high Towers at Alabama, he had like half

342
00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,440
Speaker 3: the amount of snaps played that we did. Inland, Chris

343
00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,480
Speaker 3: Borland had a million.

344
00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:35,040
Speaker 2: Dog.

345
00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:36,640
Speaker 1: Well, you were here as twenty.

346
00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,680
Speaker 3: Thirteen, twenty twelve, twenty that linebacker class was strong.

347
00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys had because I was twenty thirteen while

348
00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,800
Speaker 2: I was undrafted. But twenty twelve you guys said it.

349
00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,960
Speaker 3: Was you, so it was Dante Hier and then Bobby

350
00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,040
Speaker 3: got drafted in the second round. Wagner, Levonte, David Do,

351
00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,600
Speaker 3: Mario Davis. Yeah, there was some I'm sure I'm and

352
00:14:58,640 --> 00:14:59,960
Speaker 3: I'm probably missing some guys.

353
00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,120
Speaker 2: But those top four that you just said tomorrow Davis, Levante,

354
00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,800
Speaker 2: David yourself, with Bobby Wagner.

355
00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,720
Speaker 3: Three of those guys, I mean to Mario is still

356
00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,720
Speaker 3: playing with the Saints and that dude he's You look

357
00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,960
Speaker 3: at his stats and it's like, oh my gosh, like

358
00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,440
Speaker 3: what he's been able to do. Same thing with Bobby.

359
00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,520
Speaker 3: The guy that I never feel like it's enough credit

360
00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,320
Speaker 3: is Levante. I love Levonte. Look at go look at

361
00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,800
Speaker 3: his his sacks, his forced fumbles and his fumber recoveries.

362
00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,120
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

363
00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:27,440
Speaker 2: Dude.

364
00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,040
Speaker 3: He is always around the football. He's a great dude.

365
00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's phenomenal. Yesterday, the Bucks their profile posted like

366
00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,280
Speaker 2: his stats. He has sixteen hundred tackles. Right now, there's

367
00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,040
Speaker 2: only eight guys in the history of the game that

368
00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,880
Speaker 2: have over sixteen hundred tackles. Him and Bobby Wagner are

369
00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:43,680
Speaker 2: both still doing it.

370
00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,600
Speaker 3: Unbelieved guys who have those and they're not slowing down.

371
00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,120
Speaker 3: Bobby had over one hundred last year. I think he

372
00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,280
Speaker 3: just resigned. And then Levante signed another deal with Tampa,

373
00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,440
Speaker 3: which is cool because you know, as great of his

374
00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,520
Speaker 3: career as he's had, he's been on the same team

375
00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,080
Speaker 3: the whole time.

376
00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's cool gevity that he's had. Yeah, and

377
00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,520
Speaker 1: and not get jaded over kind of being overlooked by

378
00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,720
Speaker 1: so many guys yourself at points.

379
00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,240
Speaker 2: I was telling JP has one Pro Bowl I believe,

380
00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,600
Speaker 2: and it was as an alternate. But it's such bullshit

381
00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,720
Speaker 2: because he's like one of the most underrated players of

382
00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:15,080
Speaker 2: all time.

383
00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,880
Speaker 3: Well, the thing that hurts him is that he he's

384
00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,040
Speaker 3: classified because they were four to three. He was an

385
00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,800
Speaker 3: outside linebacker, so like the prototype outside linebacker is like,

386
00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:29,160
Speaker 3: you know, the rush and the guys got fifteen sacks.

387
00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,400
Speaker 1: And right that's where yeah, those those Sam and Willis

388
00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,320
Speaker 1: kind of get screwed over in the Pro Bowl because

389
00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:34,720
Speaker 1: the guys at their hand of the dirt.

390
00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,480
Speaker 3: Well, the funniest part about the Pro Bowl is that

391
00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,080
Speaker 3: they those off the ball backers. They're listed as outside linebackers.

392
00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,920
Speaker 3: The only rush it's only a four down look, so

393
00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,000
Speaker 3: those guys have to play off the ball. They're playing

394
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,360
Speaker 3: a fourth three justin Houston is playing off the ball

395
00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:49,920
Speaker 3: at five yards, Like what are you doing?

396
00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know they at the fourth quarter of the game.

397
00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,640
Speaker 1: If it's tight, though, I'm aout to take you.

398
00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because it is.

399
00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:58,520
Speaker 1: It is a little bit of a war.

400
00:16:58,840 --> 00:16:59,800
Speaker 2: We interrupt this episode.

401
00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:00,880
Speaker 3: You neutral.

402
00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,680
Speaker 2: Have you tried Neutral before? If not, you are missing

403
00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,080
Speaker 2: out And let me tell you why. Real vodka, real juice.

404
00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,280
Speaker 2: It is the tastiest seltzer on the market right now.

405
00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,280
Speaker 2: A couple of my popular a couple of my favorites,

406
00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,200
Speaker 2: A couple of my trends right now, watermelon and black cherry.

407
00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,200
Speaker 2: They also have some new flavors that I will read

408
00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,480
Speaker 2: to you right here, lime and strawberry. It is the

409
00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,200
Speaker 2: perfect drink to bring when hanging out with your friends,

410
00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,040
Speaker 2: because guys, right now, March Madness is happening, Baseball is

411
00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,360
Speaker 2: getting in full effect, Torpedo bats, home runs, all of it.

412
00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,719
Speaker 2: You're hanging with your friends, You're at a tailgate, you're

413
00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,680
Speaker 2: in there, you're in their backyard, you're in the house,

414
00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,200
Speaker 2: you're at a bar. No matter where you are, Neutral

415
00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,640
Speaker 2: is the drink you want to have in your hand

416
00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,680
Speaker 2: when you walk through that door. Neutral, keep it tasty.

417
00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,240
Speaker 1: Were you you at IMG training for the combine?

418
00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:45,919
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that where you were?

419
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,399
Speaker 1: Yeah? That's why I went as well. And that was like,

420
00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,560
Speaker 1: I think my first introduction to the Luke Keikley. You

421
00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,520
Speaker 1: had like yourself a little mirror, oh gosh on the

422
00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:52,840
Speaker 1: wall and they're like, you know that guy is?

423
00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:53,240
Speaker 2: We had?

424
00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:54,879
Speaker 3: That was so fun?

425
00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:55,359
Speaker 4: Dude.

426
00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,679
Speaker 1: IM really is an awesome place because there's no like

427
00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,960
Speaker 1: I was a big time party ring college and then

428
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, got a little straight as I got into

429
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,640
Speaker 1: the league. But like when you're in Brandington, Florida, there's

430
00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,560
Speaker 1: like newly weds and nearly dead. There's no one between.

431
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,760
Speaker 1: There's no nightlife or nothing. So it was me and

432
00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,480
Speaker 1: like the thirty other guys that were training.

433
00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:10,880
Speaker 3: Awesome.

434
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,560
Speaker 1: That's all we had. We had like a small little shitty.

435
00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,280
Speaker 1: Those little apartments are just off of the IMG.

436
00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:17,200
Speaker 3: The golf cart.

437
00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, the golf cart you rip it around.

438
00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,600
Speaker 3: It was the first time you had a little freedom

439
00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:22,600
Speaker 3: golf cart in your own place.

440
00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,639
Speaker 1: But it's also well regimented. I loved it. There was

441
00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,560
Speaker 1: that were you thinking about tween there in Exos?

442
00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,560
Speaker 3: No, because the guys so Markers like and then Anthony Costanzo.

443
00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,520
Speaker 1: A gangster Boston College at Yeah.

444
00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,399
Speaker 3: He they were the year year ahead of me in

445
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,720
Speaker 3: the draft. So Anthony got drafted first round by the Colts.

446
00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,280
Speaker 3: And then Mark mark was went to the Giants and

447
00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,960
Speaker 3: those guys trained at IMG and and I went to

448
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,840
Speaker 3: school with them and I was like guys Exos or IMG,

449
00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,600
Speaker 3: and they're like just good to IMG. We went there

450
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,359
Speaker 3: was sick we enjoyed it. It was awesome. It was sick.

451
00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're entire Yeah you work there because I AMG.

452
00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,240
Speaker 1: I feel like they do it better than anybody else

453
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,240
Speaker 1: as far as like getting guys good for the combine

454
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,040
Speaker 1: because they don't just do the weightlifting and the running,

455
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,560
Speaker 1: but they're also they have a classrooms to go over

456
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,120
Speaker 1: media stuff almost improvisation classes to Okay, you're thrown off

457
00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,320
Speaker 1: with this, what do you do now? What do you

458
00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,560
Speaker 1: said X, Y and z. They bring up maybe some

459
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,080
Speaker 1: things that aren't so great about you, like how are

460
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 1: you going to attack this situation? So I think I

461
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,159
Speaker 1: AMG was such a great experience.

462
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 3: It's so funny you do all that work. And then

463
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,639
Speaker 3: when I worked with the team the first year I

464
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,400
Speaker 3: got done planing, I worked a team in the scouting department,

465
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,119
Speaker 3: and you can pull up all your profiles if you

466
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,160
Speaker 3: know combine, and you know every every you know report

467
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 3: written on you and highweight, speed and all your tape,

468
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 3: and so I was like, I got bored one day.

469
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 3: I looked at it and I looked at my combine

470
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,119
Speaker 3: interview with the Panthers. It's a disaster. Really Yeah, I

471
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 3: was like sitting had my glasses on. I was nervous.

472
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 3: I was probably sweating, and I was supers like they'd

473
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,439
Speaker 3: asked me a question bike, Yes that's cover four, and

474
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, gosh, you suck.

475
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 1: You sound so bad, right, that's how obviously getting drafted,

476
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 1: Like I met with the Titans, and I was probably

477
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 1: the same way, but a year removed. Seeing those same

478
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,639
Speaker 1: familiar faces now in that room. Yeah, how image you are.

479
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 3: Oh you're so scared man, And because the train station

480
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 3: is no joke.

481
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that that combine experience was your Did you

482
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: have a good combine experience?

483
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 3: I really yeah, I really enjoyed it.

484
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

485
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 3: I think that first night of those interviews, because you

486
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 3: have the train station, which is like they can just

487
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 3: come and grab you, obviously, and then the one on

488
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 3: ones or they put you in the room where it's

489
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 3: only fifteen minutes and half the first two minutes three

490
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 3: minutes of them introducing themselves, in the last two or

491
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 3: three minutes of them leave you leaving, so it's only

492
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 3: like a ten minute window. And then they're peppering you

493
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 3: with questions and I'm nervous. You're at it's your job

494
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 3: interview and you're trying to put your best foot forward,

495
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 3: and I was just nervous and I was sitting in

496
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 3: there just and I was like, I would not draft

497
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 3: that guy.

498
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well the combine is so crazy as everyone sees

499
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 1: what happens when you're running and benching and jumping all that,

500
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 1: but really all the scary shit happened.

501
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 3: Oh that's three four days prior.

502
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: When you get to go run, you're find like, thank

503
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: god it's over. Yeah, because you get there the first

504
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: day and it's like kind of introductions. Hey, this is

505
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. This is your land yard, this is

506
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 1: the train station works, this is how your official meetings work.

507
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: Four am you have a pissed test. Yeah, so it's

508
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 1: like the number one rule is like just do not

509
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 1: miss it and make sure you don't piece. So I

510
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: remember I was roommates with Zach Martin.

511
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we.

512
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 1: Took shoes and we put it on top of the

513
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: toilet seat just in case you wake up in the

514
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: middle night and try to go pee, and we would

515
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: like be like a little Countabillo buddies, make sure we're

516
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 1: all up together.

517
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what you need because you're nervous because you're

518
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 3: up at.

519
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 1: Four am for a drug test, and then it's meetings

520
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: all day, MRIs the middle of the day, and then

521
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: back to the train station.

522
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: Everything else.

523
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: Well, were you a weight guy, did you have to

524
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 3: keep weight on?

525
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 1: I was always a guy that had to gain weight.

526
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, they get you there and then

527
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 3: you can't eat as much as you typically do. There's

528
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 3: no scale, so then when you have to go weigh in,

529
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 3: you don't know how much you weigh right, and they're like, Luke,

530
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: you need to be over two hundred and forty pounds.

531
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: So you're just in there chugging.

532
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 1: And they have the worst fucking snacks. But it's all

533
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 1: like cups, the skittles and shit, Like, I guess this

534
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: is what I'm doing.

535
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 3: I gotta do it. I gotta drink, I gotta eat something. Yeah.

536
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: I always did a great job having like food waiting

537
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: for you. Hav himself a little area where you go

538
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: with a backpack.

539
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 3: And they just stuffed it with everything. I'll tell you

540
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 3: what the combine it was. I loved it. It was

541
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: so cool because you grow up watching it. You don't

542
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 3: really grow up watching training at IMG, like you don't

543
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 3: really understand that. But you grow up and you watch

544
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 3: these guys run the forty and jump and bench and

545
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: do all that stuff. And then you get there and

546
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: you're like, this is sweet. I get to do It's

547
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: like your first step to the NFL. Doris. I had

548
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 3: to do it. I had to do them on my

549
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 3: knees and I had something on my elbow, but like,

550
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 3: not a not a ton. I was pretty lucky.

551
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 2: It's funny too, how much everybody? Because I know Levante

552
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: him being like an undersized guy. Guy's just obsessing over

553
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: hitting a certain weight. Got to weigh in just so

554
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: you hit the metric, like Levante always played like in

555
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: the like like two twenty to two twenty five. But

556
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: he's like, I have to be like two hundred and

557
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 2: thirty three pounds.

558
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? I never weighed to forty ever again

559
00:22:59,440 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 3: in my life.

560
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but on that little stat sheet says toy.

561
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: And you're like, yeah, every don't don't skip me a pound.

562
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

563
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 3: When you step on the scale two and you saw

564
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 3: two forty two, how juice that thing kept ticking up?

565
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, yes, dude, you know another

566
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: thing that's kind of a sleeper. Did they have the

567
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: little egg pods?

568
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do that afterwards.

569
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we would do those IMG like every couple

570
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: of weeks. I guess if anything's gonna fucking change, But

571
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: my body fat would be like I don't know, like

572
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: twenty or nineteen or something like that. Okay, but it

573
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: had to be in those rooms. They had to have

574
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 1: a certain pressure for those that read correctly. Yeah, So

575
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: when I got to the combine, they hadn't made this

576
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: open room where it was like being opened and closed

577
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: a bunch, So my body fat was read at like

578
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: fifteen percent. Yes, I'm like, oh, I made a four

579
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: percent jump in a week.

580
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

581
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: I thought I was killing I've been on my shit, Yeah,

582
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: I've been on it. What was the most nerve wracking

583
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: part for you at the combine from from the like

584
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: athletic standpoint.

585
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: Oh Man, probably the forty yeah, because that was the

586
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: question was how how much you're gonna weigh and what

587
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 3: are you gonna run? So I actually had to run it.

588
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: I ran the forty three times. You mess up on one,

589
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: so the first one I run it goes really well.

590
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 3: Second one, because you know you can't see it, you

591
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 3: got to find ways to like get it. You know,

592
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: you look at your phone and somebody texts you, but.

593
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: It's not They don't do that anymore.

594
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: Do you watch it now?

595
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: Now they have people in the stands and they show

596
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: your four.

597
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: That's kind of nice because.

598
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: It was the same way for me too, where you

599
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: go up and like a couple of the guys you're like, hey,

600
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: what I run Like they're saying.

601
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: X, Y and Z. Yeah. So then second one comes up,

602
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 3: and you know, when you get in that forty start,

603
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: there's holes because everybody's been there, so everybody takes like

604
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 3: the same like first two steps, so there's kind of

605
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: an indentation in the ground. And I was off just

606
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: to half step to the left, and I took my

607
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: first step out and I stepped kind of in the

608
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: whole sideways and I turned right real fast and almost

609
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 3: ran into the the laser reader and then straighten it

610
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: out and I ran like it was I ran like

611
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 3: four to nine, and I was like, oh gosh, that

612
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: was you said that was the second one. That was

613
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: the second one, the first one. The first one was

614
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: like four or five. And then I go four to

615
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: nine and this guy comes up to me and he's

616
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: like he's like, hey, you're gonna probably have to run

617
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: another one. We got a bad reading on either the

618
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 3: first or the second one, and I was like, oh no.

619
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: Did you know at the point too that you had

620
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: ran a four or five In the first one, Yeah.

621
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: I knew I ran well. And then the second one,

622
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 3: I knew I stepped in the hole. And I'm like, okay,

623
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 3: this kind of makes sense. So then everybody had to

624
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: go run their second one. So I was the last

625
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 3: guy after the last guy in the in the line

626
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: to go run again, and I ran it again. I

627
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: looked at it. Guys like, how is that. He's like,

628
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: you'll be good. I was like, all right, perfect, you'd

629
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 3: be good.

630
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

631
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 3: He's like, he's like, the middle one must have gotten

632
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 3: messed up. But it was I stepped in, I stepped

633
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 3: in a hole, or I stepped my step was bad

634
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: or something. But you know, it's so nerve wracking. That's

635
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 3: like the only thing that matter.

636
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: What's that you didn't want to focus on getting a

637
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: tan before the combine?

638
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: Of course? Not you look faster that did you have

639
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: the task?

640
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: Did you ever last in the four fours?

641
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 4: No?

642
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: I don't think we ever really ran. I think we

643
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: ran a forty Like the first week we were there,

644
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: and then everything was just segmented out out. You work

645
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: on starts, flying twenties, you know, flying forties, so you

646
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: never really get a true number for what you're gonna run,

647
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: but you have an idea like I felt good, I

648
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: felt strong, I felt my starts were good. And then

649
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: it's like, just go. It looks so stiff running it.

650
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: But I know because it will, and I am You're

651
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: trying to do everything you're training. You're like elbows and

652
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: this and that and relax your face. I remember I

653
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: ran a forty when we first the forty IMG, and

654
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: I was like a five to one.

655
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

656
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: I was like, there's no fucking way. I'm like, I'm

657
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: a sub five guy, no doubt. But I was like

658
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: trying to like mechanically do exactly what they were saying

659
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: the whole time to where it was just awful.

660
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: Part of me thinks that they click it a little

661
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: bit slower.

662
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: I thought the same.

663
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 3: So they're like, you ran you ran five four, so

664
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: then when you run four nine, they're like, look what we.

665
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: Did half second faster. We're the greatest thing.

666
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: They were unbelievable. Lauren Seagrave was was he there be

667
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: He was unbelievable.

668
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: Older older guy.

669
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: Right.

670
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was always wore orange, always war orange.

671
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: He had the really shocking shoes. And then who was

672
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: the chick from London? Did you have the girl?

673
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

674
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: She was a yeah she was Yeah, she was a

675
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: great running coach. I can't remember her name right now,

676
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: which kind of sucks.

677
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: It was I had a ton of like everything that

678
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 3: they did there was a reason why they did it.

679
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: It's not like we just showed up and they're like,

680
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: all right, you're gonna do this and right, and I

681
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: remember running like the short shuttle. It was footwork. It

682
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: was like seven or eight steps, right, it's all.

683
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: The five in the five ten five because in fact,

684
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: if I was like two three two or something like somebody,

685
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: they had like numbers to it.

686
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, you're somebody who could like skip over

687
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: to the first five and just get in like two steps.

688
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, this was amazing, like all that stuff

689
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: that you put in for you know, there's Laurence c

690
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 3: Grave right there.

691
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: That yeah, he is awesome.

692
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: He was great dude.

693
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you felt this way, But

694
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: after I ran the forty and I got the time

695
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: that I wanted. It felt like everything else was just

696
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: cake after that. Yeah, because it's so stressful when you're

697
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: standing up because we had what number were you? Do

698
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: you remember for the combine?

699
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: Oh?

700
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: I don't so what I was thirteen, maybe I don't know, Yeah,

701
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: nineteen nineteen.

702
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: I was twenty three. And my whole thing was like,

703
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: I just don't want to go first. So I was like, oh,

704
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm twenty three. Last name is Lawan, I'll be I'll

705
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: be solid. Well, they broke it up groups, so it

706
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: was one through twenty two, so I was the first

707
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: guy to go in the second group and they're like,

708
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: we're all kind of warming up. Everyone's so stressed out. Yeah,

709
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: that's my Beyonce walk.

710
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: And you see that tan you look, Yeah, you look

711
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 3: like you're you look like you're about fifteen percent right there. Yeah.

712
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what the body comp said. But that chick

713
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: that I can't remember her name, the one from one,

714
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: and she's like, hey, when you run go to the

715
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: back of the platform and have your Beyonce walk, like

716
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: every the whole combine everyone you're waiting on everybody. Yeah,

717
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: but once you do that, it's now your time. You

718
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: take as long as you need whatever, And so I

719
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: took all the time in the world because I was

720
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: my heart's racing right there, my little gazelle you see

721
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: on the back too.

722
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: How'd you think your walk was? You give the thumb out.

723
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: I was so I was thinking about okay, steps, you're

724
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: moving your little feetback, and you're just thinking, please don't

725
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: get called back on this start. That was what I

726
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: was most nervous about because learning IMG, they basically tell

727
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: you like your first start's gonna be your best one

728
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: or your first two. After that you kind of like

729
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: your brain fucks up in your CNS or something. So

730
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: it was once I ran that and I got back

731
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: to the boys, mim, hey, they're saying four nine right now,

732
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I know I'm selling.

733
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel good about it.

734
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: Is there a team you felt like you knocked it

735
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: out of the park with in the interview process? Oh?

736
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: Man, you know what?

737
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: Not?

738
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: Really? I don't, really, I don't that was I don't

739
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: remember that. I thought the stuff with the Panthers went

740
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: really good because so Ron Rivera obviously play with the Bears.

741
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: My high school road roommate was Mike Morrissey. He was

742
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: two years older than I am. I was, and he

743
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: was a great older guy. So when we when we

744
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: went on trips on the road, he was my roommate

745
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: for away games. His dad played with the eighty five

746
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: on the eighty five Bears to played with the Bears

747
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: like ten years and he played linebacker with with Rivera.

748
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: So I remember going to the combine and be like,

749
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: I don't know any of these guys, but I know

750
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: that Jim Morrissey and Mike Morrisey have said really good

751
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: things about coach Rivera and his experience with them and

752
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: their friendship and playing together in Chicago. So I'm like,

753
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: at least I have one guy that I kind of

754
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: have a connection to. So that one was out of

755
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 3: all of them, it was probably the easiest one after

756
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: I said how bad my interview was on that video.

757
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: But I felt probably the most comfortable with them because

758
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: I felt like there was a little bit of a

759
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: connection there.

760
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: Did you know, did you feel really confident that I

761
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: was going to go to Panthers that grabbed you in

762
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: the first round.

763
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: I thought there was a chance, so you kind of

764
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: looked at like teams that I took a visit to Carolina,

765
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: so I met with them at the Combine. I took

766
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: a visit down there pre draft, and I kind of

767
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: knew like nine to fifteen to twenty because fifteen was

768
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: Seattle and they drafted Bruce Irving. Bruce Irving and then

769
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: they ended up with Bobby in the second round, so

770
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: they were going to draft a linebacker. I thought Buffalo

771
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 3: was at ten. I think they drafted Stefan Gilmour from

772
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: sc and so I thought it was going to be

773
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: one of those teams. I also took a visit to Tennessee,

774
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: so I think it was they Actually that was.

775
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they did draft a linebacker and it was

776
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: Zach Brown.

777
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: Zach Brown, he was.

778
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets.

779
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: Dude.

780
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: Trent Richardson.

781
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't know where they drafted what point?

782
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, scrolled down a little bit. I want to see

783
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: what they took.

784
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: Are you talking about the Titans?

785
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: Kendall?

786
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: Right?

787
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn the would have got him anyway, you knew, Yeah.

788
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: True should have traded up yea. But yeah, so you

789
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: do you did you have any did you have a

790
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: place you wanted to go? Like you looked at it.

791
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: I thought Carolina would have been cool. I had some

792
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: family that was down there. I was familiar. I liked

793
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: it because Iran. That was the biggest thing that thought

794
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: was cool was that I knew him and they spoke

795
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: so highly of him. And he was a linebacker and

796
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: he coached like Irlacker and Briggs. Yeah he's with San

797
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: Diego names with the Bears. It just it felt I

798
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: was like, that'd be a cool place.

799
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 2: How was it when you first got there? How how

800
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: was he as a as a coach? Because since you

801
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: were a backer.

802
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: He was phenomenal. He was like he did a really

803
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: good job of separating being the head coach, but also

804
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: like he wanted to be a player again, so he'd

805
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: be in the locker room, he talk to guys, he

806
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: was he'd have you over to the house. He just

807
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: made you feel very comfortable. So I always felt like,

808
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: you know, he was obviously the head coach, but he

809
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: felt like a guy that he just wanted he wanted

810
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: to help you. He wanted to put you in a

811
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: position to be successful. It was awesome. I couldn't have

812
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: been in a better spot as far as just the

813
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: people that were there. Sean mcdermo is a defensive coordinator.

814
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: I don't think that I could have ended up in

815
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: a better system for to play linebacker with that four

816
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: down look. I played Mike, which was if I was

817
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: playing Will. I was struggled because in space you're matched

818
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: up on receivers. It's just bad news. Yeah, but you

819
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: can run, Yeah, you can run straight.

820
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: But you Julio Jones, did you know he did what

821
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: he did? But everybody's getting.

822
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure they can

823
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: pull a picture of that up.

824
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: There.

825
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: It is. It's yeah, the right, you know that's that's

826
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: not even the best one. There's one that's like two pictures,

827
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: three pictures to the right on that search.

828
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: That one looks better. That one looks actually, matter of fact,

829
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: take me how much higher he is there? Take me

830
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: to the ground. He just because you're running with him,

831
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: quarters and you're competitive by one.

832
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: So it's quarters. And if you have speed at number three,

833
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: which Julio definitely accounts for that, you get a backside

834
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: the backside quarters defender on the hash helps you out

835
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: get your three daggs. Yeah, we called it. We called

836
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: it a fat call. But yeah, same thing right now,

837
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: you understand my struggle. And they motioned the empty and

838
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh man.

839
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: So for the people listening when they motioned empty one.

840
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: Now there's no more facts or there's no more help

841
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: from that.

842
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the emotion to emotions.

843
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: This looks so this look. You know what Matt Ryan's

844
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: saying right here is my guy's just better than all

845
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: of you because he looks like he's covered.

846
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you're you are covering.

847
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: So I'm running down the field. I'm like, man, I

848
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: am in good shape. They throw that ball and I'm like,

849
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: I am in great shape. I can't see him, but

850
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: I know he's behind me. I reach up and all

851
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: I hear is and it's the ball hitting his hands

852
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: and me falling down and my face hitting the ground,

853
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 3: and I just hear the crowd explode and I run

854
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: and I and I remember I picked my head up,

855
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: and the only thing I remember him seeing is like,

856
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: you know when these guys used to score and they

857
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: like this as they run the end zone. I just

858
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: saw him do that look at me, just face face,

859
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 3: face down, and I'm trying to I'm hearing the crowd

860
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: scream right now. And then I picked my head up,

861
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: did you? And they right at the end, they show

862
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 3: him kind of right there. That's what I see when

863
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 3: I look up, I see that, I see it, says

864
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: I can't even see the name Jones because he's tilted

865
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 3: forward like that. And then I get to the sideline

866
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: and my coach is like, hey, you know you're supposed

867
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 3: to be on him, right, I was like, you know,

868
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: I was, I know, I was.

869
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: Is the craziest.

870
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: You're a mic linebacker.

871
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: You're coaching Keekley and Julio Jones and scores on a

872
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: competitive ball, and you're like, I.

873
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 3: Mean a competitive competitive competitive is a nice way to

874
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: say it. I mean it looked competitive, and then when

875
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: the ball got thrown that the competition kind of went

876
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: out the window a little bit.

877
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: Let this play a little bit.

878
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: I'm running, he's running like three quarter speed. I'm running

879
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: literally as fast as I can, and he's still running

880
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: away from me.

881
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: Your safety over top was trying to get in on

882
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: the action.

883
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just I mean, he looks covered right there.

884
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 3: It's he's he's covered, and right he just throws the

885
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: ball up for him. Yeah. Look, I'm trying to pull

886
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: through the I'm trying to pull through the pocket.

887
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: The pocket.

888
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 3: I'm trying to pull through the pocket. He just kind

889
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 3: of big boyed me there a little bit. God.

890
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you see a guy like Julio Jones.

891
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: You know, if you get me, you don't have to

892
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: give me excuse. You just say that you got you

893
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: got that. That was on Randy Moss's You got Moss

894
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 3: the next week, So you always want to be on

895
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: you Got Moss as a little kid. But not for

896
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: that reason, not that.

897
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: Way at all. Was that?

898
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: What is like your toughest play, that the worst moment you've.

899
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 3: Had, the worst?

900
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: Was that?

901
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: It?

902
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: No?

903
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: That wasn't it because I kind of felt like the

904
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 3: best I could have done, you know, give effort was strong.

905
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: It's just kind of like, hey, hey, man, like just

906
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: better than you?

907
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: Better for that moment.

908
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's yeah, he's just better. I remember my rookie year,

909
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: we were playing Seattle and it was Russ. Russ was

910
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: a quarterback. Russ and I trained together at the combine

911
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: for the combine. Remember, he breaks contain, He's running to

912
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: his right. He breaks contain. Obviously he's running down the field.

913
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: I'm in coverage. So he crossed the line of scrimmage.

914
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: I'm I was like, I'm gonna crush him. And he's

915
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: running and he's running like almost straight at me. I've

916
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: got a great angle and he's running like this and

917
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: I'm running like that. I'm like, I'm gonna crush him.

918
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 3: The last second, right before about to hit me, puts

919
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: his left foot, left foot in the ground and cuts

920
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: back this way, and I'm getting ready to just like

921
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: fall into the tackle. And I turn and look. Guess

922
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: who was running mock five at my face? That rust

923
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: set up? Mike Robinson, remember him, Penn State guy. He

924
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: he hit me. He hit me so hard that I

925
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: don't really I didn't even feel it. It wasn't a

926
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: dirty hit. He didn't me in the head. He just

927
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: hit me and I just crumpled to the ground. And

928
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: I remember like looking up and he just smiled at me,

929
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: and I was like, you got me. He's like, I know,

930
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: I know. So it was that was that was you

931
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: talked about, like welcome to the NFL, your rookie moment.

932
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: That was one of them. And then we played, uh

933
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: played Tampa my rookie year at home. Was it was

934
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: we were up at the end of the game, we

935
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: were probably up six or seven points. They ran a

936
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: vertical ball, three verticals in cover four and I was

937
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: matched up on Vincent Jackson and Josh Freeman throws this

938
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: great back shorlder ball to him, and I thought I

939
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: had him covered in college. You eat, you're close to him,

940
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: he's covered. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know what

941
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: a back shoulder ball was, and so I'm running with

942
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: him and then all of a sudden, he spins. He

943
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: opens up and he puts his hands backside and he

944
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: catches this football. And I was like, how that happened?

945
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: Like somebody stuf. You score a touchdown, they tied it up,

946
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: they go to overtime, We lose an overtime. So it

947
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 3: was just like one of those things where you don't

948
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 3: you're just naive and then something happens in a game

949
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: and you're like, Oh, that's what they were, that's what

950
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: a back shoulder ball was. In that ball, I was.

951
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I felt like I was in great position,

952
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: but the ball was a little perfect. My awareness was zero,

953
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: and he just put it on his back shoulder. Of

954
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: Vincent Jackson opened up and caught that ball, and I

955
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: was like, that sucks.

956
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 2: So did you really not have a TV in your apartment?

957
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: You're rookie?

958
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: That's so uh? No, I had I had everything. I

959
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: had no, the what happened. So what happened? So what

960
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: happened was so it happened going into my the the

961
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: rumor was going into my second year, I've moved apartments

962
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: like and end of July. So then you know, going

963
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 3: into July, you're going in the training camp for the

964
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: first like three or four weeks of the season, and

965
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: I just it was on the back burner for to

966
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: set up cable. I had my Internet set up, but

967
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't need cable for this first

968
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: like six eight weeks because I'm never gonna be here.

969
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: So I didn't have it set up, and somehow one

970
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: of my buddies got wind of it and it just

971
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: turned in this It just turned into the this whole thing.

972
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: Where so that came from one of your buddies in

973
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: the locker room.

974
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. I came to the locker room like hey, did

975
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: you watch Like somebody's like, hey, you've been watching whatever.

976
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I don't have I don't have

977
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: the cable set up in my tea in my in

978
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: my apartment. Yet they're like why not? Was like, I

979
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: just moved. I didn't have time to set it up.

980
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: Like we just went to training camp, like I hear

981
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: very much anyway, So when I get back from after

982
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: training camp, I'll get it set up. So that was

983
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: like what had happened. Everyone's like, you didn't have TV.

984
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not a psychopath.

985
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: Very much. Frame like that. Yeah, which is I just

986
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: pictured you in a carpeted room with a blow up mattress. Yeah,

987
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: maybe a hyperbaric chamber.

988
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, just paper plates in a microwave and macaroni and

989
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: cheese and ramen microwave.

990
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: It takes out too much nutrients.

991
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: For Yeah, there it is right there.

992
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: God, Yeah, that that is one of the things.

993
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: That like, look at that just I mean, that's an

994
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 3: insane throwing catch. And then they went for two. They're down,

995
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: they're down, They're down eight. So then they got to

996
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: two conversion afterwards and I ran into the goalposts and

997
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: that was like insult the injury, Like I just got

998
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: I just got worked and I just got crushed by

999
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: the post. Watch this, look at my leg. God sucks.

1000
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: And then you turn around and then you turn and

1001
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: then you look up and you're like he definitely caught it.

1002
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: And look at the official. It's like he was waiting

1003
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: to do that to make sure you were taking a

1004
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: peek for yeah. Yeah, yeah, he scored.

1005
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 2: I was like, nobody touched that ball.

1006
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: Oh dang, look at me. I'm like, gosh, I suck

1007
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: good hit flexibility though, or I was twenty one, so

1008
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: it didn't really matter the defensive player rookie the year though.

1009
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: But luckily they didn't see that play. Yeah, but how

1010
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 3: awesome is that? It was cool? It was fun. I

1011
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: mean it was uh.

1012
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: You just.

1013
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 3: To have the opportunity to play like that as much

1014
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: as I did as a rookie was so cool. In

1015
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 3: a great system.

1016
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: It was.

1017
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: That system was set up for linebackers to just run around.

1018
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: It was cover three, Cover four, a little bit of man.

1019
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: We had really good guys in front of us. Our

1020
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: defensive line was sick, and they called plays that highlighted

1021
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: the linebackers. So it was Thomas and I. So John Beeson,

1022
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: I'll talk about who is it Thumper who I talked about? Like,

1023
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: so go back to college with Hurzlik and Mike mcloffin,

1024
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: like great older veteran guys that had no their pride

1025
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: never got in the way. They were just there to

1026
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: help you. Mike Morrissey, the guy I talked about that

1027
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: new ron and those guys were so helpful. And then

1028
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: when I got to Carolina it was the same way.

1029
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: So when I got there, it was James Anderson was

1030
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: coming off her career year, Baste was coming back from

1031
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 3: an achilles All Pro Pro Bowl or like the dude

1032
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: in the middle like a stud, and then Thomas was

1033
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 3: coming back from his thirty ACL. Thomas at full speed

1034
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 3: was what Thomas was for sixteen years in the NFL.

1035
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: And then me, so there was four of us. I

1036
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: was the rookie. BS and TD were coming back from

1037
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 3: substantial injuries and achilles in an ACL, and then James,

1038
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: excuse me, was gonna play obviously healthy, had a great

1039
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: year coming off a good year. So I remember I

1040
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: showed up my rookie of my first days there. TD

1041
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: comes in and and he's like, hey, I'm Thomas, here's

1042
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 3: my number, lock me in. You need anything, let me know.

1043
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's just an older guy coming

1044
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: in and like checking a box and doing all this stuff.

1045
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: But it was he was the best helpful, talked you

1046
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: through things, taught you stuff, where to who to talk

1047
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: to to, you know, chiropractors, where to just where to

1048
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: do everything. In Charlotte. He was fantastic. How to practice,

1049
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: how to be tough, how to play hurt like all

1050
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: that stuff. And then Beasts was Beascott hurt. Pascott put

1051
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: on IR. I think after the Atlanta game, my rookie heear,

1052
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: which was like week or week two or three, and

1053
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: so then I slid from outside linebacker to inside linebacker

1054
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: at Mike Beasta spot. And all Beasts ever did was

1055
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: help me, sat next to me in meetings, talked to me,

1056
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: watch tape with me. Hey, this is how I this

1057
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: is how I played cover two, and this is why.

1058
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: This is what my eyes looked like. There was never

1059
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: there was never any sense of like you're playing Mike

1060
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: your first round pick, like I'm hurt. I've been hurt

1061
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: two years in a row. Maybe there was never like

1062
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: I'm worried about my job. It was how can I

1063
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: help you? So I think, you know. I was always

1064
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: very fortunate to have guys like that through my football

1065
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: career high school, college and then Beasts and Thomas and

1066
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: James and a guy named Jordansen who was played with

1067
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 3: us for a long time. He was like a could

1068
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: play all three spots, big time teamer, but was very

1069
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: and smart, very intelligent, great with his body. He sat

1070
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: right next to me in the locker room and he

1071
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: would just all he ever did was just help me.

1072
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: So I just a great coach with Ron and mcdee

1073
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: was a decoordinator and then those guys around me. It

1074
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: was like a perfect situation.

1075
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: Dude TD had a hell of a career.

1076
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: And able to come back and play the way yea.

1077
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: And I met him out at one of the NFL

1078
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: one of the NFLPA meetings, and this dude you see

1079
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: like burger and fries and that's was rever. He sits there,

1080
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, are you eating like this throughout the season.

1081
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: He's like, Oh, I eat whatever I want all the time,

1082
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: which is buddy, how in the do you do that?

1083
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 3: I think some of those guys like that's just they're

1084
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: more that's just what they're their best at. Like this

1085
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: is what he plays, this is what he's how his

1086
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: body reacts the best, and that's what he's gonna do.

1087
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: But his like six inch snap was un He was

1088
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 3: so fast, so explosive snap, ultra physical and just a

1089
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 3: great guy to watch as far as how to do things.

1090
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: Just a dangerous linebacker.

1091
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: Just tough, high effort, ultra competitive, you know, like all

1092
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 3: those things that require no athletic ability. It's all like decisions,

1093
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: like you know, you are what you are athletically you are,

1094
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: how high weight, speed, whatever, you make a decision, how

1095
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 3: tough you are, how physically you are, how hard you play,

1096
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: and how much it matters to you, like those are

1097
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: things that you control, and he was it was great

1098
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: to see that from an older guy as a young guy, like,

1099
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: these are non negotiables that you make the decision when

1100
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: you walk on the field you're gonna do it a

1101
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: certain way.

1102
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a great leadership. Yeah, walking and

1103
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: helping you out on that road. Yeah, that's an unreal

1104
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: when you you obviously there's such a conversation revolved around

1105
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: you about like calling out plays and did you already

1106
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: have that capability to break down film or did those

1107
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: guys were they a big part of teaching you that stuff.

1108
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 3: So I was fortunate in high school. Our high school

1109
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 3: coach would bring us down to his office during lunch

1110
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: and he'd put on a VHS tape and we'd eat

1111
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: lunch down there and he'd put the tape on the

1112
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: tape would just run and we could like rewind it

1113
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 3: if we wanted to. But then you don't really understand

1114
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: why you're doing that until you know you're in the

1115
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 3: game and you're like, oh, I saw that and when

1116
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: we were watching tape with coach, and usually it's after

1117
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: the fact, so it's like very like retrospective. But you

1118
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: start to figure out, like, oh, I can get a

1119
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 3: real advantage by watching tape. So we kind of did

1120
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 3: that in high school. And then I got to college

1121
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: and there's a guy, another guy, Wes Davis. He was

1122
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: a safety California guy, super smart, intelligent, big tape guy.

1123
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: So when you get to college, you know it's like

1124
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 3: you can you can watch whatever you want. You can

1125
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: sort it however you want to watch it, personnel formation

1126
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: down a distance. You know, it is whatever you want.

1127
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: So I go in there and I'm like this is

1128
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 3: too much for me, dand I got to figure out

1129
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 3: how to do this. So I would go watch tape

1130
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 3: with Wes. This is as a freshman, and you know,

1131
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 3: Wes would be in there and he'd be like, all right,

1132
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: he imagine we're playing Cover four and you get this,

1133
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 3: like how you playing it? So you start to figure

1134
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: out all right, I can match my call up with

1135
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 3: the play, so when I watch, when I watch tape,

1136
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: I can envision myself in that situation. So that was

1137
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 3: kind of like the first step. And then the second

1138
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: step would be Wes would be in meetings and say,

1139
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 3: all right, he's like this, this gives us problems in

1140
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 3: cover three, and in my head, I'm like, I don't

1141
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: really know what that means. Bout like sure, So he'd

1142
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: be like, this is why it gives us problems. He's like,

1143
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: if I see this look in a game, I'm gonna

1144
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: let you know and then we'll just kind of play

1145
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 3: it like this, you know, you kind of play the

1146
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: play a little bit. And he's like, all right, i'm

1147
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 3: gonna give you heads up in the game when we're

1148
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 3: gonna get it. He's like, I'm gonna tell you when

1149
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: to play it a certain way and we'll being good jape.

1150
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: I was like great. So then comes up in a game,

1151
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: Wes gives me like a nod and I'm like, hey,

1152
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: you know, I like give him a nod back because yeah, hey,

1153
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: what's up, And the play would happened and I would

1154
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 3: just be aloof and be like, I gave you a nod.

1155
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: I was like, I gave you one back. He's like, no,

1156
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 3: that was it. So then just slowly, over time you're like, okay,

1157
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: now I understand why he's watching tape. So you watch tape,

1158
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: you understand situations, and you pick stuff up and you

1159
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: accumulate knowledge, and over time you just understand, like, this

1160
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 3: is how teams really want to run the football, This

1161
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: is how it matches up against our defense. These are

1162
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 3: the top formations. I mean, you know how it is.

1163
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: It's like if it's two by two and the tight

1164
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 3: ends on the line of scrimmers, their top ron concepts

1165
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: are probably this, this and this right. And once you

1166
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 3: know that, then it's like, all right, So if we're

1167
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 3: in an overfront and they run that first run play

1168
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: and we're in this defense, who's gonna to block me? Okay,

1169
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: this guy's gonna block me. All right. Say they run

1170
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: the other play and this same defense, same front, Boom this,

1171
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: Now this guy's gonna block me. And you go through that,

1172
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: and then when practice rolls around you get it. And

1173
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: then when the game rolls around, it's like, all right,

1174
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 3: here's my formation, here's my my, my, my call on defense,

1175
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: this is how we're lined up, the ball gets snapped,

1176
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: I get my one read from whoever I'm reading Boom.

1177
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: Now I know who's gonna block me. I know where

1178
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: the ball is gonna go. I have to beat that

1179
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: guy in the run game, whoever's gonna block me, and

1180
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: then I'm clean to the football. You know, one guy's

1181
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: blocking you on each play. So if I know top

1182
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 3: run concepts, I know how it fits within our defense.

1183
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 3: I know where I line, I know where my stressors are.

1184
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: The ball gets snapped, I read Boom. Now I know

1185
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: who's gonna block me. Now I have now I already

1186
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 3: have a plan of attack. Well, how I'm gonna get

1187
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: after him before the ball gets snapped. So then you're

1188
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: playing the game before the ball gets snapped, and then

1189
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 3: everything just slows down as the ball gets snapped. So

1190
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: I it was just because you got to like, you

1191
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: know what is you gotta This is a bad play

1192
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: right here. So I remember exactly this play. So Andy Gallax,

1193
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: the center you guys ran and it was like a

1194
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: split zone. Look, split zone. Hang on, we're in man

1195
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 3: coverage and we're in it's an in and out, so

1196
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: safety down here. Yeah, So TD and I are like

1197
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 3: the in and out guys. So my guy goes back

1198
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 3: across the formation at the tight end. I got to

1199
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 3: fall back in a pass in pass game, but if

1200
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: it's a run, I got to stay front side. So

1201
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: it was a run. I see the guy go back

1202
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 3: across the formation. I fall back, and this ball stays

1203
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: front side. And look where it hits. I get blocked

1204
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: by I think Andy Gallax. The center's a BC guy.

1205
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: Looks where it gets hit, probably right where it should be.

1206
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 3: Kind of a disaster. Who's yeah, yeah, yeah, so disaster.

1207
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: This is a touchdown. I mean the dexter mccluster on

1208
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: this touchdown here.

1209
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: So was this twenty fifteen?

1210
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were bad then too. How would you three

1211
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: and thirteen year for us? How did your prep develop

1212
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: like in the league, like a you are how are

1213
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: you breaking down each day like on Monday or you

1214
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: first second down?

1215
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, run conflict. So like Monday was so you know, Monday,

1216
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 3: you come in, you get a workout, flush, watch the

1217
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: watch the game from the night before and kind of

1218
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 3: our day before whatever, make your corrections, and then I'd

1219
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: always watch two first halves of the team that we

1220
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: were playing and just get like general feel and I

1221
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 3: always feel like first halves for better because you got

1222
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: to you got to feel for who they were, right,

1223
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 3: So I think about or like think about, like, say

1224
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: we're watching We're watching the Titans, and I watched the

1225
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 3: whole game. Maybe in the second half, you guys are

1226
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: up big, and so now you guys are running the

1227
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 3: ball a little bit more. Maybe the past game is

1228
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: not as aggressive. They're different than what they want to

1229
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 3: be coming out right first in the first half, like

1230
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: your first fifteen, your first probably twenty five plays or

1231
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: things that you guys have really thought about, your top

1232
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: concept stuff like that. So I'd watch two first halfs

1233
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: and just get a feel for, like, you know, what

1234
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 3: do they look like up front? You know, are they

1235
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 3: like for example, we play the Falcons, right, Alex Mack

1236
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: like big, athletic, smart, ranging, really good player, Like damn,

1237
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: I got my work cut out for this guy. And

1238
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: then you go, you know, in the backfield, it was

1239
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: Tevin Coleman. He's like big, kind of a slasher, like

1240
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: one cut wide zone type guy. Devonte Freeman is like

1241
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: a little bit of shake good burst, could run physical,

1242
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: not a real big guy but gets lost and like

1243
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: is a firm really good. I thought he was really

1244
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 3: good and if he could speed you up, slowly down,

1245
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 3: run through you, and then you look on the outside

1246
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: of Austin Hooper was the tight end. And then it

1247
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: was like Roddy White and Julio Jones. You're like, all right, boom,

1248
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: so like this is how they look up front, this

1249
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 3: is what they look like in the backfield. Like, you know,

1250
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: we play the Falcons. You don't really need to watch

1251
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: mad a whole lot because you got a really good

1252
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: feel for We played him twice a year. He's he's

1253
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: Matt Ryan. You know, you know, need to take a

1254
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 3: ton of notes on that, but you get a feel

1255
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: for all right, Kyle Shanahan, wide zone shifts and motions.

1256
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: They're going to try to get you in a compromise position.

1257
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: They went to run the ball to the bubble. So

1258
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 3: that's Monday, and just it's like click through like click

1259
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: through stuff real quick. Tuesday.

1260
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: Are you a big notes guy or are you just notes?

1261
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 3: Because that helps me if I write it, then it

1262
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: helps me remember.

1263
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: And this Monday, you're not necessarily take knows you're just

1264
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: feeling the game. Yeah, feeling the process.

1265
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: Of the game.

1266
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and feel them and like I'll write down some

1267
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: notes like if they've got a dude that I'm not

1268
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 3: used to playing against, or I haven't seen a lot

1269
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: of them, Like this is like offensive line moves really well.

1270
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 3: Center fifty one is a really good player. Running backs,

1271
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 3: this is how these guys feel because I always felt

1272
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 3: like with running backs, if you don't play against them

1273
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: a lot, you don't know how they like feel on contact.

1274
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: And I didn't like that, Like I want to know

1275
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: early in the game, how do you feel you firm

1276
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: like stuff like that, And I felt like that was

1277
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: one thing that I always wanted to watch during the

1278
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: week is how do they run? How do they take contact?

1279
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: Do they like contact? Like are they a stiff arm

1280
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 3: guy or they what do they like doing? Because then

1281
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 3: in the game you got to have a plan. I mean,

1282
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: you'll play Marshawn Lynch. You can't just like run in

1283
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 3: there and I hope you're gonna get them on the ground.

1284
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 3: So then I would take light notes on that and

1285
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: just get a feel because mentally, I was like Monday

1286
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 3: was a day where I'm like I need to kind

1287
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 3: of break it up a little bit. So if I

1288
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: took a ton of notes, I'm like, this is just

1289
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 3: too much mentally. Then Tuesday you come in, hit a

1290
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: little workout, and then I'd watch run games. So our

1291
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 3: coaches did a good job of breaking down run game

1292
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 3: based on like formation, down a distance, excuse me, top concepts,

1293
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: and then I would go and highlight like four games

1294
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 3: and then you know, you can sort everything, So i'd

1295
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 3: sort it by like personnel. It's like, all right, I

1296
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 3: want to I want to see all their twelve personnel runs,

1297
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 3: and then like, how do they run the ball to

1298
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 3: twelve personnel? So three by one is it two by two?

1299
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 3: Do they like running twelve personnel and putting the t

1300
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 3: the tight end in the backfield? Because if so, now

1301
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 3: it turns into like two back run versus like if

1302
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: they're in a wing or double like ace both on

1303
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. Now it's like one back run twelve. Yeah,

1304
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 3: so it's like a completely different concept. So I want

1305
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 3: to know what they do, and then I would break

1306
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 3: it down by like personnel, group, then formation, and then

1307
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 3: top concepts inside the formation. I'd take notes on all

1308
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: those and just chart it, cause like it took a

1309
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: lot of time, but I felt like if I could

1310
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 3: write it down, then I would remember it. Better, so

1311
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: then and by Tuesday I usually had I usually had

1312
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: the game plan like first and second dound game plan,

1313
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 3: So then I'd watch all that chart everything, watch those games,

1314
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 3: and then I'd watch a full game after that and

1315
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: then see how it fits, so like when do they

1316
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 3: run it? Like when are they eleven, when are they twelve?

1317
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 3: What are they like doing out of thirteen? When do

1318
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 3: they do it in a game? And like what's the

1319
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: game flow? And then you could call I could call

1320
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 3: defenses within that within that watching that game, so you know,

1321
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 3: first and ten the first quarter, like all right, I

1322
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: was gonna play cover three, So line up and cover three,

1323
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 3: see my overfront, See where I got a line, see

1324
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: where rotation is, and then kind of go through it

1325
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,479
Speaker 3: that way, and then you know, just kind of buzz

1326
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,479
Speaker 3: through it like that. So then you get a feel

1327
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 3: for how they want to run the ball out of formations.

1328
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 3: You get a good feel for what they are, and

1329
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 3: then you see how it applies to the game and

1330
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 3: how they get to stuff. And then I can apply

1331
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 3: our first and second down game plan to that and

1332
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: just run through that. And then Wednesday, after practice, I'd

1333
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: do the same thing, but with first and second down pass,

1334
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: So break it down the same way and see how

1335
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 3: the run game matches with pass.

1336
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: Game, what conflicts you could potential.

1337
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 3: What conflicts, And then like you start to figure out,

1338
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: like are they a formation based team in the sense

1339
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 3: of do they run plays, run plays and pass plays

1340
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: out of formations? So regardless what the personnel is, Like,

1341
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: if it's three by one wing, they could run that

1342
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 3: at eleven, they could run it at twelve, they could

1343
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 3: run out of thirteen, They could run it at ten

1344
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 3: if they wanted. But it's the same run concept and

1345
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 3: they're just looking for the best matchup within personnel groupings

1346
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 3: that run that run play. Or are they a personnel

1347
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: group team where in eleven these are their top five

1348
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 3: run concepts, and then in twelve they want to run this,

1349
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: and then thirteen they start getting heavy. It's like short yardage.

1350
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 3: They're going to play too heavy a wing and a

1351
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,479
Speaker 3: backside tight end and it's going to be like load

1352
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 3: power counter o. Why three poolers going somewhere? Or are

1353
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 3: they just like I said, a formation based team. So

1354
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 3: then as the week goes on, you get a feel

1355
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 3: for what this team wants to do, why they want

1356
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 3: to do it, how they get to it. Are they

1357
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 3: a shift motion team? Do they build sets? Because the

1358
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: only thing that matters in football is what's the final formation?

1359
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 3: So are they stagnant or do they line up in

1360
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: three by one and then shift to two by two

1361
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: and then motion this guy across to three by one.

1362
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: I don't care about any of that. I just want

1363
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 3: to know results. What's the final result of the formation

1364
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: is what I want to get to and how they

1365
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: do it. So when the game comes around, you're not like, oh,

1366
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: well it's three by one. But I didn't anticipate them

1367
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: get into it at Like, no, I already knew that

1368
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 3: they're gonna be a heavy shift, heavy motion. My brain's

1369
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: already turned onto it. So when they get to when

1370
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: they start to move guys, it's like I've already prepared

1371
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 3: myself for this. And then third down you just watch

1372
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 3: it by you know, down the distance and then watch

1373
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 3: another game and see kind of out all ties together.

1374
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 3: And then Friday was red Zone and special So like

1375
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: if we were playing you know, cal or Alvin Kamara, like,

1376
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 3: you can get a lot of matchups on one of

1377
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 3: them if we play man coverage, Like I don't.

1378
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: I don't like that matchup you'll be able to get

1379
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: the rat in this situation, or like stay in the box.

1380
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: And if I get put in a bad situation, I

1381
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 3: need to have a plan of attack of like does

1382
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 3: he like moving off a certain foot, how does he stem?

1383
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 3: Where does he get uncomfortable? Where does his move area

1384
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 3: out of the backfield? Where does he like going? And

1385
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 3: then so when you get in that situation, if it's man,

1386
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 3: you're like, all right, Like, he's a better athlete than me.

1387
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: He's henna probably make me miss a bunch, But like,

1388
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 3: here's my plan of attack that I've already thought about

1389
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: on Friday. So when it comes around in the game,

1390
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: you're like, all right, I'm good, Like, yeah, this is

1391
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: my plan of attack, and like I feel good about it,

1392
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: and I'm going to go attack him and if it works, great,

1393
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 3: If not, like I feel good about what I did

1394
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: going into the game.

1395
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, how big of a role did the TV copy?

1396
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 3: Love? TV copy?

1397
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1398
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: The TV copy is that where you found the checks

1399
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: and oh yeah, stuff like that.

1400
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 3: So you just I would just watch like the All

1401
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: twenty two and then anytime the quarterback comes to the

1402
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, you turn on the TV copy and

1403
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: see what you got everything that he says. You got

1404
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 3: to listen to it and write it down, and then

1405
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: you got to check it a few times.

1406
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: You know, you remember any teams that were changing their

1407
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: verbiage because they essentially knew that they were playing against you.

1408
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 3: No, if I didn't, if I didn't, if I didn't

1409
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: know a word, I never guessed. But like you always

1410
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: have to, it's always just like it's a n TD.

1411
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: It was probably like salt pepper.

1412
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that tells yeah, salt and pepper. So that was

1413
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: was used in the Super Bowl, and I thought salt

1414
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 3: was left and pepper was right because salt isn't and

1415
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 3: pepper was right because they.

1416
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: Had white black they had background there in a black

1417
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: line background.

1418
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 5: They had salt, salt, salt, you're white. Hey my head,

1419
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 5: it looks like hey, something on the same page with you.

1420
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 3: Because inside inside that game, so inside the game, they

1421
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 3: said like Tiger and and Paradis. Matt Parrotis was the

1422
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 3: center and he and he said Tiger Tiger, and one

1423
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 3: of the offensive lineman was like huh and he said

1424
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 3: tiger er. I was like, ah, you're going to the right.

1425
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: So I took that forward to salt and Pepper, and

1426
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: I remember having an argument with TD about it, and

1427
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: we get in the sideline and I'm like, I don't

1428
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 3: know why they called Pepper, and they and they went

1429
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 3: to you. I was on the right side or whatever,

1430
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: the left side, they're right, And He's like, no, you

1431
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 3: missed the whole thing, Salt, you're white Pepper. I was like, ah,

1432
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 3: it makes sense now, even the crafty Oh my gosh,

1433
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 3: it's so funny man.

1434
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, there's definitely like a crazy amount

1435
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: of you calling out those plays, Like what do you

1436
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: think your batting percentage was on those?

1437
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 3: I think if you feel good about it, Like I

1438
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: remember we played Tampa in twenty fifteen and they had

1439
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 3: a toss play and it was Tulsa and I remember

1440
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 3: we were it was a check they talked about. We

1441
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 3: were it was like on a third down maybe, and

1442
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 3: we were all mugged up. So Thomas and I were

1443
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: both mugged up. We had a safety mugged up, so

1444
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: we were you know, if they had and they had

1445
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 3: a they had a front side bunch and so if

1446
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 3: they if you just down bock pin and pool the

1447
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: off the ball defenders that are supposed to make the

1448
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 3: play are never going to get there. It's like throwing

1449
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: a screen out of a mug, look like a wide

1450
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 3: receiver screen. And I remember he gets there and Jamis

1451
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: comes up and looks around and he's like, all right,

1452
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 3: we got double mug. All these guys in the line

1453
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 3: of scrimmage. Safety's down showing off the backside, the rotational guy,

1454
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 3: and the nickel showing up because it's a bunch because

1455
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 3: he's got to press the point. And he checks Tulsa

1456
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my gosh, perfect yeah, and said

1457
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 3: we pull we pull everybody out and bump everyone plus

1458
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: everyone front side just totally get out of the blitz.

1459
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 3: We're supposed to be dropping defensive tackles. It was like

1460
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 3: a sim pressure and we just told all the defense

1461
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, go, don't drop, it's a run, it's a toss.

1462
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 3: Go And one of the guys, I think Jared Allen

1463
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 3: made the tackle and I just I was so happy,

1464
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 3: like it all worked. You know, you get that one play,

1465
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 3: get that one play you make based on film, and

1466
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 3: you're just like, yeah, it's all worth it.

1467
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, all the preparation was worth it for sure.

1468
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 3: And TD was great at that TD watched a ton

1469
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 3: of tape too, so we had to get a little combo.

1470
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: When you get to those games, the amount of preparation

1471
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: you put in, know, like album Kamara, when you're like this,

1472
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna attack him. So I know regardless, like my

1473
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: process has been correct. Yeah, did you have nerves before

1474
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: the games or was it like Hey's in the Barn.

1475
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 3: I was always nervous. Yeah, like you want to You

1476
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 3: always want to get in the flow as fast as

1477
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 3: you can of the game. And the longer you're out

1478
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 3: of the flow of the game, the less you feel

1479
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 3: like you're a part of the game.

1480
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1481
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 3: So you can prepare all you want, but you you

1482
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 3: want to get into the flow of the game as

1483
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: quickly as you can. And if you're not in the flow,

1484
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 3: you feel like your flow and I hate that. So

1485
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 3: you're always nervous to go in the game because you

1486
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 3: don't know. Each game feels different, like it feels different

1487
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 3: from you know, the surface is different, how the team

1488
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 3: you play is different, the coordinators are different, how they

1489
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 3: want to tack you is different, the players are different,

1490
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 3: the run game is different. Like everything feels different each game,

1491
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: and you were always like I don't know about nervous

1492
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 3: or you're anxious to like feel feel the game and

1493
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 3: be and feel like you're a part of the game.

1494
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 3: And until you do that, you're kind of like, damn,

1495
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 3: like I need to need to get in there.

1496
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: You need to get in there, need to feel someone,

1497
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: You need to like a little action early in the game.

1498
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: With with that thought process, was it better for you

1499
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: in your mind to go three and out your first

1500
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: defensive drive, like oh boys, we got the three and out,

1501
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: or like a nine eight nine play gritty drive where

1502
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: maybe they come out points, but like you know, the kid,

1503
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: this next drive, I'm gonna I feel like I'm immersed

1504
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: in this game now, so I feel a whole lot better.

1505
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 3: I think it depends on if you get if you

1506
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 3: get a piece of something early.

1507
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: Y, Yeah, you got to get a piece of something,

1508
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: Like if.

1509
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 3: You make a good tackle like on first or second

1510
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 3: or third down, or like first or second down, you

1511
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 3: make a you make a good play like around the

1512
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage in the run game, you're like, all right,

1513
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 3: I got like kind of I'm good, or like you

1514
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: get like you make a good play on third down,

1515
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 3: you get a stop, we're off the field in like

1516
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 3: a three and out or you know you're just you're

1517
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 3: in the mix, or like you feel to say, they're

1518
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 3: on power and you like you like stick a guard

1519
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 3: and you force a guard. You're like, all right, I'm

1520
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 3: in good shape. But if it's like pass toss, run

1521
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,959
Speaker 3: away incomplete on third down, you're still like like itch

1522
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 3: in a little bit. Yeah, you need to get like

1523
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 3: you need to get you need to get a piece

1524
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 3: of something.

1525
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to feel somebody.

1526
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about the pain from from the Super Bowl? Yeah,

1527
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: and have you forgiven Cam Newton for not jumping on

1528
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: that phone?

1529
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. It was. The further you get away

1530
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 3: from it, the more you appreciate it. Like how special

1531
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 3: that year was, how much fun we had, how good

1532
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 3: our locker room was, Like all the games that we

1533
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 3: played in that were so fun that the city of

1534
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 3: Charlotte was awesome. Like the media coverage of that season

1535
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 3: in the locker room, it was like anybody that was

1536
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 3: anybody reporter wise, was in the locker room every week.

1537
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 3: We didn't lose a game until Christmas. We played on Thursday.

1538
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 3: We played, Yeah, here we go. Played on Thursday night

1539
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 3: in Jerry World down in Dallas on Thanksgiving.

1540
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 2: Oh buddy, I'm sorry to interrupt. Yeah, that was my

1541
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: favorite game to watch of you.

1542
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 3: I'm I'm like, you're like a proud father and I'm

1543
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 3: your son. It's you just got like comfortable.

1544
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we'll talk to the Cowboys. He usually has

1545
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: a dim light on it, so it's nice to see.

1546
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: Him light up with the Cowboys just as a backer

1547
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 2: and appreciating and respecting the game that we played, Like

1548
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: watching getting to watch that Thursday night football game, because again,

1549
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: you're not like watching everybody else like when you're playing

1550
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 2: on Sundays, but knowing that you had there was dedicated

1551
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: time like on holidays to where it's like, oh, these

1552
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: teams are playing today and watching you against the Cowboys

1553
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: those two ploy those two picks you had back to back.

1554
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 2: I've sat there and I was trying to get everybody

1555
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 2: in the room enthralled, like, do you guys understand what

1556
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: just happened? You being a Tampa two player and them

1557
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 2: trying to run you out, clear you out for that

1558
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: deep dagger by one and you coming down to pick

1559
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: it off after you already have your responsibility taken care of.

1560
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 3: That is art.

1561
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 2: You're coming back, coming back the next series, and knowing

1562
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: you're in a cover four responsibility with wit as the

1563
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: tight end and they're trying you over the top without

1564
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 2: any safety help, and you picking that ball off, getting

1565
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: your head around. That's art, and I just want.

1566
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 3: You to know that you should to hang around me

1567
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 3: and talk me up a little more.

1568
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: Obviously you have all the accomplishments in the world, but

1569
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 2: just like some of those plays and you just talking

1570
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: through Tulsa knowing you're mugged up and everything else, I

1571
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: appreciate the art that.

1572
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 3: You put on display. Was it was. I appreciate that

1573
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 3: this Yah.

1574
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I'm getting up right now. But these plays

1575
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: right here, boys like you, guys want to lock in.

1576
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 3: The guy that made the play was Thomas. So we

1577
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 3: were in a sim pressure So basically what was supposed

1578
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 3: to happen is TD was supposed to blitz and we

1579
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 3: were supposed to drop the defensive end to the field.

1580
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 3: So Romo saw the pressure, so he's like, all right,

1581
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 3: the hook player. It was just simple pressure Cover three.

1582
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 3: The hook player is a defensive end, so I'm gonna

1583
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 3: throw this dig right behind the defensive end. So Romo,

1584
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 3: Romo checks protection, swings everything, and so Thomas is like,

1585
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 3: do we need to get out of this? They just

1586
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 3: push protection to me, it's a bad matchup, so he checked.

1587
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 3: Thomas looks at me, He's like, hey, we need to

1588
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 3: check cover two. I was like, all right, cool, let's

1589
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 3: do it.

1590
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: So who's at the green dot?

1591
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 3: I did, but Thomas and I and like Roman and

1592
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 3: Kirk Coleman. It was like, it's just a discussion. It's

1593
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 3: a discussion.

1594
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: Crazy that you guys have enough time to have a

1595
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: discussion as well, that's wild.

1596
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 3: TD and I had like a hey, he's like he

1597
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 3: just micd it. You want to go to cover two?

1598
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 3: And I was like you want too, He's like yeah.

1599
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 3: I was like all right, cool, check cover two. So

1600
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 3: like you've got time. And then this play is like

1601
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 3: one of those plays that you talked about, like you

1602
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 3: always want to get this play in cover two and

1603
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 3: it never works out that way, like either you're a

1604
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 3: backside player or you're blitzing, or it's man coverage, and

1605
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 3: it's just one of those plays where it's just right place,

1606
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 3: right time, like it happens and you're taking a shot.

1607
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're like you're you're you're trusting. Look at Witt,

1608
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 3: Look at Whitney's.

1609
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's wide open. But again, you're trusting, You're you're trusting.

1610
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: Can you go back to the top of the play.

1611
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 3: And a lot of it starts too with.

1612
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: It's like you starting high and trusting that all right,

1613
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 2: Romo's went through this progression and where now I'm going

1614
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: to take a shot and leave the middle of the

1615
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 2: field to go pick off.

1616
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 3: And then stagger. The other thing is ben so ben

1617
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 3: a ben Wickery is playing. He's one of our corners.

1618
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 3: He's playing at the I think this same at the

1619
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 3: bottom of the screen. If you don't get a good

1620
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 3: jam on that guy, then I can't see the release.

1621
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 3: So the release by one if he inside releases and

1622
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 3: you get a clear out and then a sit look

1623
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 3: at the jam. Do you see the jam by Bene?

1624
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 3: So the jam slows it down.

1625
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: This is what we're talking about.

1626
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets the good jam, pushes him inside and

1627
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 3: puts those two guys on levels and slows him down.

1628
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 3: So the progression for Romo is slower, right, So he

1629
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 3: doesn't get to dot that ball when he wants to.

1630
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 3: But I get to see inside release by one, I

1631
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 3: can see the sit by two. And then once he

1632
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 3: puts his foot in the ground. I'm like, all right,

1633
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 3: I'm clean, Like I'm good because I know that once

1634
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 3: his inside release, his company's probably gonna run an cut

1635
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 3: and that's going to push Roman to that over right.

1636
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 3: So then you're like all right. But then you're like

1637
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 3: you said, you're kinda you're kind of taking like a

1638
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 3: calculated chance.

1639
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so is as the mic backer you have the

1640
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: middle of the field, I mean, yeah, Tampa two, you

1641
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: see had a bailout and you're deep.

1642
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, in his backs to the quarterback. So again he's

1643
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 2: taking like a calculated wrist just coming out of the

1644
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 2: middle of the field. And so it's funny the whole player,

1645
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 2: you know, he's it's like you're jumping the fat lady

1646
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 2: when the pretty ones behind him.

1647
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: Why at that point are you like, okay, I'm safe,

1648
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: because you know your safety is now coming back over

1649
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: the top to help you.

1650
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 3: Out, and you kind of know, you kind of know

1651
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 3: where that ball is meant to be thrown. The ball

1652
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 3: is meant to be thrown to the dig gotcha.

1653
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: So his romo in his mind is still thinking, you

1654
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: guys are in a simulated pressure where the end's going

1655
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: to drop, and that guy's covering him.

1656
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 3: I think he probably knows at this point that we're not.

1657
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 3: I just think he probably is, like, all I got,

1658
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 3: I got Tampa. The the hook player jumped the little

1659
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 3: in and out route, the whip route, so I'm just

1660
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 3: gonna throw it behind right, So I had a little

1661
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 3: bit more time to kind of field out because Bene

1662
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 3: got such a good jam. He slowed the progress so

1663
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 3: that guy really got him inside. So like it's it's

1664
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 3: one of those things like you don't just make the

1665
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 3: play by yourself, really good jam. We had really good

1666
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 3: pressure that whole that whole game. We hit him a bunch,

1667
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,799
Speaker 3: so like that clock gets sped up, and then Thomas

1668
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 3: great awareness by him of like getting out of that.

1669
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have incredible quarterback answers of shouting out the.

1670
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 3: Team the entire course. I mean, he's right.

1671
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 2: It's like when what Romo scene is, like he knows

1672
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: as the hook player sitting there, He's like, oh, this

1673
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: is one hundred out of one hundred, I'm gonna hit

1674
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 2: this clear, hit this dig over because.

1675
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: You can see right here even with you covering the

1676
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: standway like that almost seems a little open to me,

1677
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: But he's right here. Yeah, and that where him He's like, oh,

1678
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: there's no one because he's expecting you to still.

1679
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 3: Go up because because avoid in the middle of the field,

1680
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 3: Nickel is moving out towards that whip, so that ball

1681
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 3: is supposed to get thrown between the numbers in the

1682
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 3: hash right that dig yes, the dig window. So he's like,

1683
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 3: I'm in good shape, you know.

1684
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 2: And I'm sure we're not able to show the screen

1685
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 2: like during the YouTube, So anybody that's curious, it's Tony

1686
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: Romo throws an interception to Luke Keekley looked at play up.

1687
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be able to show because that is that

1688
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: is art, Like, that's the beauty, that's the game within

1689
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: the game. That kind of like people will see and like, wow,

1690
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: Luke was amazing. But for you to like give us

1691
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: what TD was saying the jam all that like, that

1692
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 1: is that's good football. Eleven guys getting.

1693
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know we had time. He bumped him and

1694
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 3: put him inside and gave me more time. It's like

1695
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 3: this is happening in four seconds.

1696
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: Yes, which is just so crazy because you're not supposed

1697
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: to be anywhere near that ball when it's thrown.

1698
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just all it's quitl It just all fits

1699
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 3: it like all fits together, you know.

1700
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: Was there And I hate to bring this up again,

1701
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: any chatter about Newton not jumping on that fumble.

1702
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 3: Honestly, no one ever said, No one ever whispered, no,

1703
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 3: his his toughness. We never questioned it. The guy never

1704
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 3: never complained. It's the first guy in every day. He

1705
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 3: worked so hard, never never yelled at guys, never threw

1706
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 3: guys under the bus. Like you talk about a dude

1707
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 3: that just all he wants to do is play football.

1708
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 3: And it's just that was just a bad game for us.

1709
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 3: We just didn't play. We didn't play our best game.

1710
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 2: The Seeing Cam Newton on the field, there's like there's

1711
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 2: like a few guys Calvin Johnson comes to mind, but

1712
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: seeing Cam Newton dressing on the field, he looks creative player. Yeah,

1713
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: he's like an action figure out.

1714
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 3: He's like all of six five.

1715
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: Everybody, well, he's taller than six five. We saw him

1716
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: at Power Slap and he was eye to eye with me.

1717
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 1: I feel like he was taller.

1718
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 2: Must get that.

1719
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 3: He's like he was like he's like seven feet tall.

1720
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:54,560
Speaker 3: With all that.

1721
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt he's not getting any rides. But That's

1722
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: interesting you say that because the way he's portrayed in

1723
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: the media is that like he's a cat that seems

1724
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: like a very much an eye guy. Well that like

1725
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: when he's when he's on ESPN, he said I would

1726
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 1: rather have my MVP trophy than a super Bowl trophy.

1727
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: I'm not getting that same Bob as I'm getting from

1728
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: you were.

1729
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: Like, he would you give up your Defensive Player of

1730
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 2: the Years for that super Bowl?

1731
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? The super Bowl is like the Mecca. Man, Yeah,

1732
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 3: you know that's all you want question You just want

1733
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 3: to win a super Bowl.

1734
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: But he looked at you like you were dumb right there.

1735
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 3: Tell you what toughness, competitiveness, love of the game of football,

1736
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 3: love of the Carolina Panthers, like Cam just tough. You

1737
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 3: never questioned is he going to play hard? Like you

1738
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 3: never question that. You might question, like what is he

1739
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 3: gonna wear? But the dude competed, he played so hard,

1740
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 3: loves football, just tough and competitive and.

1741
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: It just it also clearly he knew what was going on.

1742
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: But it's like that, h what is it that clip

1743
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 2: of that play where somebody's trying to call out something,

1744
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 2: somebody trying to call something what you're trying to do.

1745
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you like that. Watch this?

1746
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 2: Oh that was clay Man.

1747
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: Because Clay's watched that wheel. Oh you watched film too.

1748
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 3: Watch this and he threw that ball to McCaffrey. But

1749
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 3: it's interesting. So Cam, it's like he he can. He

1750
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 3: remembers like everything. So they had a signal. Him and

1751
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 3: Greg had a signal for like it's like a route

1752
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 3: that he ran and Cam's like, hey, dude, like we

1753
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 3: got to switch it up. We've run this too many times,

1754
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 3: like everybody knows what it is. And Greg's like, all right,

1755
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 3: what do you want it to be? And Cam's like, ah,

1756
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. We did this like four years ago

1757
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 3: and against Atlanta and it was like the third quarter

1758
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 3: and you know it was like ten minutes ago in

1759
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 3: the game and ten minutes to go and third quarter,

1760
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 3: and I gave you like this signal like I don't know,

1761
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 3: that's cool, we just want to do that. Greg's like whatever, yeah,

1762
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 3: And like I like went and looked it up and

1763
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 3: I was like whoa, Like he was spot on. He

1764
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 3: was like pretty dagon close. Yeah. So but him and

1765
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 3: Greg had a really good, good connection, Like Greg has

1766
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 3: such a great feel for you know, space and timing

1767
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 3: and windows and just he was really good at a

1768
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 3: lot of things. Great. He was big, he'd catch everything,

1769
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 3: could run, block, never came off the field. But he

1770
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,560
Speaker 3: had such a good feel for like where to be,

1771
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 3: how to get there, how to stem guys like he

1772
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 3: was so good at that. And Cam and him had

1773
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 3: such a great connection that they could just kind of

1774
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 3: look at each other and they both knew what was

1775
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 3: going on. They'd line up in this set. It was

1776
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 3: a three by one set, so Greg they called it

1777
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 3: one by three. Greg was backside and you could line

1778
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 3: up and cover three or cover four, it didn't matter.

1779
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 3: It was basically man because it was just Greg in

1780
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 3: a corner or a safety by themselves and they just

1781
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 3: look at each other and figure it out. And it

1782
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 3: was really cool to watch. But a lot of it

1783
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 3: was just Cam's super smart remembers everything tough, competitive, and

1784
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 3: it was fun to watch him and Greg play with

1785
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 3: each other.

1786
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: How was it being in the mix of the Odell

1787
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:57,480
Speaker 2: Beckham and Josh Norman.

1788
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that was like peak Josh. Yeah, yeah,

1789
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 3: And that was part of Josh's game. I remember when

1790
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 3: we played Dallas, him and Dez are going out of

1791
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 3: the whole game. And that was part of Josh's game.

1792
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: And you know.

1793
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 3: It was we were in it and they let and

1794
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, they let those guys play a

1795
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 3: little bit until there was a couple. There was like

1796
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 3: one or two instances where like they had to separate them.

1797
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: Odell had to head missile shot.

1798
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 3: That was that was that one wasn't great, but that

1799
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 3: Josh was another guy. Josh great feel, great feel, smart,

1800
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 3: unbelievable ball skills in ultra competitive, ultra competitive. So that

1801
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 3: was a great matchup for them. Josh played fantastic that year.

1802
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 3: Josh was exactly what we needed in our defense, like

1803
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 3: long rangey, great ball skills, could compete competitive. He was

1804
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 3: really good and that that was an interesting game. We

1805
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 3: were up a million points and they came all the

1806
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 3: way back. Odell actually caught a ball there at the

1807
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 3: end of the game to tie it up and then

1808
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 3: Cam went down and I'm gonna kick the field with

1809
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 3: to win it. But it was like we were there there,

1810
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 3: Josh and I having a good chat here.

1811
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: He tried tell him to keep his cool.

1812
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 3: I like, hey, keep doing you man.

1813
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had him at Washington. He's his ability to

1814
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 2: punch the ball out, the Peanut punch.

1815
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 3: He learned it from Peanut, So Josh, Josh was always

1816
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 3: around the ball. Then Peanut came in twenty fifteen and

1817
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 3: Josh was like his Josh, I think saw that and

1818
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 3: he's like huh, like I can do that, and he

1819
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 3: just had It's a timing thing, you know, it's a

1820
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 3: timing thing, it's an opportunity thing. It was just really

1821
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 3: good at it. So yeah, he was a stud at

1822
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 3: Peanut was awesome. Held you talk about a teammate, Oh

1823
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 3: my gosh, great teammate.

1824
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 2: Peanut Tillman, Oh my gosh, I love that guy.

1825
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 3: You guys had some fucking dogs that Super Bowl year,

1826
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 3: so it was cool. I mean you you also Jared

1827
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 3: Allen too, just like him. Yeah, we had Jared Awn

1828
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 3: and Peanut that in at twenty fifth teen and then

1829
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 3: Roman Verse so I came in. I remember the first

1830
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 3: time I met Pep.

1831
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, he is a monster.

1832
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 3: He's big, but he's very he's proportional. So like when

1833
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 3: you see him from a distance, you're like, oh, he's

1834
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 3: big because he's so proportional, and then closer you get

1835
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 3: to him, you're like Oh yeah, he's pretty stout.

1836
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: I was so happy when we played, y'all, and he

1837
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: was I think he went back right, he played and

1838
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: then he went to the Packers.

1839
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 3: Played us at fifteen, he was in he was in

1840
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 3: Green Bay. So he went Carolina, Chicago and then Green

1841
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 3: Bay and then at the end he came back to us.

1842
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: Because when he that was like his last year, right,

1843
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: his last two years drinking, the last two years. So

1844
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: when we played, I mean, he put his hand in

1845
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: the dirt. I'm looking at my form and his forum.

1846
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is not something we're not playing the

1847
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: same game, are just equal. But he was in that.

1848
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 1: He was in that mode of I'm gonna pick and

1849
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: choose my shots to kind of win, to really go hard.

1850
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: But he was like playing the game and it was love.

1851
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 2: Just I was so happy.

1852
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 3: I'm just so talented man.

1853
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: Him and guys like Sougs too, like just kind of

1854
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: like understood the game at a level where they knew

1855
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: when it was time to turn it on and not

1856
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: when they got that older age. Was just so cool

1857
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: to see.

1858
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: So then another guy that was a freak athlete, Shack Thompson. Shack,

1859
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 2: so you're mentioning all those vets and yeah, Shaq Thompson

1860
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 2: had the ability to he had a lot of range.

1861
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So it was interesting. They bring Shack

1862
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,799
Speaker 3: in and he played running back, linebacker, safety at Washington

1863
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 3: and we bring him in and Thomas was playing well,

1864
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 3: I was playing Mike, so like there's not a ton

1865
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 3: of room. But we're like, we need to get this

1866
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 3: guy on the field because he's so talented. He does

1867
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 3: everything well and he was super smart from the day

1868
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 3: he got there, Like you tell him at one time,

1869
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 3: he got it. And there's guys that can like memorize,

1870
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 3: and there's guys that just have great feel for the

1871
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 3: game of football and how to play in competitive and effort.

1872
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 3: Shack showed up in the day that he got there.

1873
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 3: He had all that, and so we need to find

1874
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 3: a way to get him on the field. So we

1875
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 3: would play him at nickel right and we called it

1876
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,600
Speaker 3: Buffalo and it was just like a it was just

1877
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 3: a package we had. It was like a big nickel

1878
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 3: so we could play all of our nickel calls but

1879
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 3: have a bigger body in there so we could like

1880
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 3: blitz him. We could play five down with him on

1881
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. We could play zone coverage, so

1882
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 3: then there was really no matchup issues. But we were

1883
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 3: able to get him on the field and highlight what

1884
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 3: he was able to do, and it was just awesome. Yeah,

1885
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,560
Speaker 3: he's a great and he's a great. He took so

1886
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 3: much pride in being the young because our room was good.

1887
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 3: So it was like Thomas aj Klein was a.

1888
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 2: Really good player because he was a fourth rounder.

1889
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 3: That yeah he was Iowa state kid.

1890
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 2: Was he twenty thirteen thirteen years Yeah? Yeah, he was

1891
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 2: my year because he sat behind you. But anytime, like

1892
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 2: you would be down and he'd come in, he'd light

1893
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 2: it up, like you got to go on and take

1894
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: a contract to get bigger money. Yeah with New Orleans, right, yeah,

1895
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:51,719
Speaker 2: with New Orleans.

1896
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 3: So Aj would play, Shaq would play. But our room

1897
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 3: was like establish older guys, and he came in and

1898
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,600
Speaker 3: it was like his mission, like I'm not going to

1899
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 3: let any of you guys down. So like that's how

1900
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 3: he prepared, that's how he practiced. He played special teams,

1901
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 3: never complained ever, just a good guy that like got it.

1902
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: So he's got a great career.

1903
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 2: You guys did have just a hell of a room. Yeah,

1904
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 2: I'm sure, like Aj. You know, you just got to

1905
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 2: be itching to get on the field at times, like

1906
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 2: playing behind somebody like yourself, or just knowing you're not

1907
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 2: going to be seeing the field unless an injury or

1908
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 2: something like that happens. Because Aj was a stud at

1909
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 2: Iowa State. And again, anytime he came in during a

1910
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 2: stint that you'd be out like he'd light it up.

1911
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 3: Like he was a hell of a middle linebacker. Yeah,

1912
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. You give those guys a lot

1913
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 3: of credit to because he was like the the first

1914
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 3: guy in wherever. So if his needed to be Will,

1915
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 3: he could play Will. If he needed to play Mike,

1916
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 3: he could play Mike. If you were playing you know,

1917
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 3: three backers in like a base, look, he could play Sam.

1918
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 3: And you know, you don't get reps at practice, right

1919
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 3: like you don't get any So he had to show

1920
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 3: up in locking in meetings and go to practice and

1921
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,560
Speaker 3: you know, do his thing there and then rundown on

1922
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 3: teams and then oh hey somebody, hey, Luke's out, Like,

1923
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 3: go play Mike backer, all right, the one that next

1924
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 3: week TD's out, Lukes backing, all right, Now you gotta

1925
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 3: go play Will backer. And it's like it never he

1926
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 3: never lost a step or like had a mental blip.

1927
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 3: He's just it's impressive, like those guys that are able

1928
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 3: to do that at a high level.

1929
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, what was so fascinating to me is watching

1930
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: your career and like when when you started like four

1931
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: or five, six are to sustain a couple of injuries,

1932
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 1: your ability to kind of take your head out of

1933
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: it but still be so productive. How did how is

1934
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: that like transition for you? Because it seemed, at least

1935
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: from me on film, obviously, Okay, this guy's not putting

1936
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: his face in as much, but he's still finding ways

1937
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: to manipulate blocks and be just as productive.

1938
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 3: Which you kind of nailed it. Like you the older

1939
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 3: you get, like you physically you slow down, right, but

1940
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 3: it's like like physically you slow down, but like mentally

1941
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 3: you you learn more.

1942
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've passed your physical ability with mental ability.

1943
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 3: Yes, So then you're like, I don't need to I

1944
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 3: don't need to go smash that guy, Like I know

1945
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 3: where his point of attack angles, I know where mine is.

1946
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 3: Can I speed him up? Can I slow him down?

1947
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 3: Can I get him playing at my speed? Like my

1948
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 3: advantages are quicker and faster. I might be a little bit.

1949
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 3: I might have a little bit more like quick pop

1950
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 3: than he does. If I get in a dog fight

1951
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 3: with him, he's bigger, stronger, he's more powerful. I'm gonna

1952
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 3: lose like nine out of ten times. So it's like,

1953
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 3: how can I manipulate a block in the sense of

1954
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 3: like if I need to get there, and I can

1955
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 3: get you to slow your feet down or stop your

1956
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 3: feet Now, I can speed up faster than you. I

1957
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 3: can slow down faster you. I can speed up faster

1958
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 3: than you. So instead of like trying to run through

1959
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 3: your chest, if I can get you to stop your feed, doom,

1960
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 3: but when I can just get past you that way,

1961
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 3: So it's like how can I You don't you don't

1962
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 3: want to hit a million guys in the game. It

1963
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 3: just wears you down.

1964
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: So it's like there's an ego element to it, like

1965
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: Mike Linebacker being a thumper, like you could hit Like

1966
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: was there a report where like I don't want to

1967
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: give up this part of me, but I know it's

1968
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: the best from my longevity.

1969
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just like you gotta you love the game

1970
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 3: of football, like you better figure out how to play

1971
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 3: it as long as you can. And that's just kind

1972
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 3: of part of the like it's kind of part of

1973
01:23:59,360 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 3: the game, you know.

1974
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 2: Talk to us about how when you were first starting

1975
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 2: to sustain the concussions. Like if I'm a teammate of

1976
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 2: yours and you get ding the first time, Oh, Luke,

1977
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:07,839
Speaker 2: he's got a concussion.

1978
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 3: Second time, Luke's got a concussion.

1979
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 2: Third time, when a pattern starts creeping up and then

1980
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 2: you're coming into the cafeteria or something and it's like, hey,

1981
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 2: what are you learning? Like, talk about that time as

1982
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 2: a pattern starts to show itself with your head injuries.

1983
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: Because there's always a point of feeling like vulnerable, like

1984
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: almost like mortal.

1985
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 2: And two, like when you're getting stuff like concussions, you

1986
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: know there's a part anytime you have an injury and

1987
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 2: you're coming in the room, you're you feel like you've

1988
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 2: let everybody down. Or like if you have an ankle

1989
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 2: right or a high ankle sprain, and guys might be like,

1990
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 2: you know, they're not questioning can you go, but in

1991
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 2: your mind you're insecure enough to where you're like, I

1992
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 2: hope these guys know that I am facing something pretty

1993
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 2: bad right now. I'm just not able to be on

1994
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 2: the field. But yeah, talk about your the head injuries.

1995
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is what you learn

1996
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 3: and you know, like you said, you're twenty five years old,

1997
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 3: you're like, I'm fine. I think a lot of it

1998
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 3: is with the concussion stuff. If it's like you need

1999
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 3: to be as honest with you can't with as you

2000
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 3: can with yourself and with everyone taking care of you,

2001
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 3: because if they don't know how you feel, they can't

2002
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 3: help you. So like the more honest you are with them,

2003
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 3: the better and the quicker you can come back from

2004
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,560
Speaker 3: whatever you have going on concussion wise. And that's what

2005
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 3: I learned, you know, probably the hard way is like

2006
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 3: our doctors are phenomenal. They took great care of me.

2007
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 3: They did everything they needed to do, and I just

2008
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 3: wish I would have learned from an earlier age to

2009
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 3: be more honest with them, because you got to get

2010
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 3: all the way back before you can go play again. Right, Yeah,

2011
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 3: Like there's no like, say you have like a wrist

2012
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 3: that's bugging, you can like tape it.

2013
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: And like like okay, it's kind of like a badge

2014
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:42,759
Speaker 1: of honor when you're.

2015
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 3: Like you like figure it out, like or you do

2016
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 3: something to your finger, like all right, but like you

2017
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 3: don't really you'll be fine, yeah, versus your head, it's

2018
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 3: like you can't really tough it out. And the more

2019
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 3: you try to tough it out, the worse it gets.

2020
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 3: And then you start to realize, like, why do I like,

2021
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 3: like you said, you want to play and like you

2022
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 3: want to bring value to your team, right, And then

2023
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 3: you start to realize, like, all right, if I'm not

2024
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 3: honest and I go back out before I should and

2025
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 3: I get dinged again, I'm providing less value to my

2026
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 3: team because now I'm gonna be out for longer. So

2027
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, maybe it takes me, you know,

2028
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 3: two weeks to come back. I'd rather be honest and

2029
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 3: take those full two weeks and come back. Then after

2030
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 3: we'd be like I'm good and like and you're not,

2031
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 3: and then you get dinged again. Now it's five weeks,

2032
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 3: so instead of it being a two week injury, it's

2033
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 3: a six week injury. And it's all because you didn't

2034
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,560
Speaker 3: take care of yourself. Like that's really I think what

2035
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 3: I learned, you know, probably not as quickly as I

2036
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 3: should have, But what I learned was the more honest

2037
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 3: you are with yourself, and the more honest you are

2038
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 3: with the guys that are their job is to take

2039
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 3: care of you, then the better it is for you,

2040
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 3: for them, for the team, for your you know, I

2041
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 3: just want to play football. The faster I can get

2042
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 3: back to playing football. So it's like everything gets better

2043
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 3: the more honest you are.

2044
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 2: Now when you had the first one, like how many

2045
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 2: do you would? Do you think that you had before

2046
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 2: that first one?

2047
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 3: I don't think I had zero zero, like for sure

2048
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 3: like one hundred percent, because you always wonder like, well,

2049
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 3: I know if I get one. And then the first

2050
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 3: one I got was in twenty fifteen, and I was like, yeah,

2051
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 3: that's that's one.

2052
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, So and did that one you come back earlier from,

2053
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 2: like when you're saying I learned it sooner if you did.

2054
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 2: If you feel like you didn't have any before that

2055
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 2: first one, was there some of those early ones that

2056
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 2: you're like trying to in your brain tough enough?

2057
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 3: So that one was the first one, and I was like,

2058
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 3: I was like I need to like get my I

2059
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 3: need to get better. And it worked out literally perfectly.

2060
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 3: So that was week one and then I think we played, Yeah,

2061
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 3: we played three games and we had to buy so

2062
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 3: you know, you got to two weeks into it, and

2063
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,839
Speaker 3: our trainers like, dude, he's like, you need to relax

2064
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,839
Speaker 3: first of all, because you're putting all this stress on yourself.

2065
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 3: So what's just you're not gonna play next week? How

2066
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 3: about that? And I wasn't. I wasn't gonna be back anyways.

2067
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 3: But he, like him a lot of credit Ryan form million,

2068
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 3: He took all the the pressure off me and was like,

2069
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 3: we're just you're not gonna play next week and then

2070
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 3: the following weeks of bye week, so like you have

2071
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 3: two weeks so just like kind of relax and that happened,

2072
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 3: and I was like like like okay. So then I

2073
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 3: remember I went home for the bye week, and I

2074
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 3: knew how to aggravate it, like I knew how to

2075
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 3: give myself. A lot of it was uh oh, exercise base,

2076
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 3: like heart rate base, like if I got my heart

2077
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 3: rate up, then I'll start getting like headaches. And I

2078
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 3: was like, all right, I feel really good. It was

2079
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 3: like Thursday of the bye week, Thursday or Friday, I

2080
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 3: was back in Cincinnati and I wrote up like a

2081
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 3: really hard workout and I was like all right, this

2082
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,560
Speaker 3: is like it like either I'm gonna be good or

2083
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be good and there's like no one

2084
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 3: between either. I'ma feel like crap, I'm gonna feel really good. Yeah,

2085
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 3: and I hit that working and I was like, all right,

2086
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 3: I'm good. And then and then I had a full

2087
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 3: another week of practice, So essentially you had like five weeks.

2088
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 3: You know, you're not hitting anybody in practice.

2089
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 1: Right, especially at that point. Yeah, so usually that third

2090
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 1: week of then Mark.

2091
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was probably the best I could have handled it.

2092
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 3: And then moving forward, you just have a couple when

2093
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 3: you want to play, and so maybe you don't like

2094
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 3: you just I didn't handle it as probably well as

2095
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 3: I could have, and like it just it was it

2096
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,640
Speaker 3: was unfortunate. But like now it's like you go talk

2097
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 3: to guys, you're like, dude, if you get one, like

2098
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 3: you have to be smart and you got to be

2099
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 3: honest with yourself.

2100
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a difficult game you're talking about though,

2101
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: because you have the hindsight of like looking back, like

2102
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: when these guys like Will and I talk about all

2103
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: the time, like when you're in it, there's like these

2104
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: blinders that are on your eyes and you're solely focused

2105
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: on this thing and this is the main storyline of

2106
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: your life. But everything else, like the next forty years

2107
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: of your life, you're not even concerned about it.

2108
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and you're also like the only thing I

2109
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 3: want to do is play football, right, Like that's it,

2110
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 3: Like I just want to play football. I want to

2111
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 3: be on the field with the guys, like I love

2112
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 3: playing football on Sundays. And then this prevents you from

2113
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 3: doing it. So you're like, I just won't play football,

2114
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 3: Like I just won't play. I just won't play. I

2115
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 3: just won't play, And that cloud your judgment more than

2116
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 3: like really anything else. Is like I just miss wake

2117
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 3: up on Sunday during football season and like just like

2118
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 3: watching from your my house. Yeah, Like we played Tampa

2119
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 3: then twenty fifteen, and I remember sitting in my apartment,

2120
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 3: like the team went down there and I was just

2121
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 3: watching it at my house. Like this freaking sucks.

2122
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: There's no there's no lonelier feeling than when a team

2123
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: you're injured and the team goes on an away game,

2124
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: when you watch the buses leave and you're like you

2125
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,560
Speaker 1: you feel so ico everybody.

2126
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 3: In your life. Yeah, it's but then it's like it's

2127
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 3: good perspective. It's like, what do you take from it,

2128
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 3: and it's like all right, well, when other guys are

2129
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,600
Speaker 3: missing games, like you gotta have like like you got

2130
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 3: to check on those guys, like, dude, how you doing right,

2131
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 3: because you know what's eating them up? Yeah, it's like, dude,

2132
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 3: I hate to feel you man, like just get better.

2133
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get better. So how many did you end

2134
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 2: up getting throughout your career don't?

2135
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 3: I don't know? I mean I miss some time and

2136
01:30:56,360 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 3: obviously fifteen sixteen, I missed a game in seventeen and

2137
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 3: then like nothing that was like really nothing like big

2138
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 3: after that.

2139
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:08,799
Speaker 2: When was retirement starting to come into the fold.

2140
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 3: End of that twenty nineteen season, because you just like

2141
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 3: clip a guy and you're like, dang, like like I

2142
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,560
Speaker 3: don't It wasn't like you know, you should just go

2143
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,640
Speaker 3: smack dudes, yeah and have no issues. I would go

2144
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 3: hit a guy. I'm like, I didn't really feel great.

2145
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 3: And so then once you make the decision in your mind,

2146
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 3: like you know, I'm not all the way in it once,

2147
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 3: like mentally, were.

2148
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 2: You starting to think about it a lot into that

2149
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 2: nineteen Yeah.

2150
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 3: Like the like the last like the last game of

2151
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 3: the year, I was like, I'm done. I'm done.

2152
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 2: So that's when you made your decisions that last year.

2153
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 3: After so it was week it's week sixteen, so obviously

2154
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 3: week seventeen's last week. Week sixteen. I remember being like, yeah,

2155
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 3: probably done.

2156
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: So really was there a process of like talking to

2157
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 1: anybody or was feeling I.

2158
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 3: Just remember after that game, like I was like, yeah,

2159
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 3: you don't. You don't got it anymore, like you just

2160
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 3: you don't. You don't like you don't have it.

2161
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 2: What's your you don't have it? Because I'm right now.

2162
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know, you can't play. I would have

2163
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 3: been fine if like I physically slowed down, like can't

2164
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 3: run as well, like not as fast, maybe I'm not

2165
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 3: as physical, maybe like I don't have the same like fire.

2166
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 3: I would have been fine with that, and I would

2167
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 3: have like kind of just probably milked it out a

2168
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 3: little bit more like yeah, I love playing. But once

2169
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 3: I knew it was my head and I'm like like mentally,

2170
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, it's either yes or no, Like if

2171
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 3: you slow down, you can like physically you can still

2172
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 3: play football hard and like play fast and play with

2173
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,679
Speaker 3: great effort. But once I knew in my head mentally,

2174
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 3: like it's not any of that it's like your head

2175
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 3: stuff now, you can't you can't in your brain. In

2176
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 3: my brain, I couldn't rationalize, like I can't play as

2177
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 3: hard as I want to. My effort's not going to

2178
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 3: be there. I can't be as physic cool. And once

2179
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 3: I knew that, I'm like, man, it's not fair to

2180
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 3: the guys in the team, and it's not fair to

2181
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 3: the coaches, and it's not fair to like the fans

2182
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 3: and myself and my family for me to go out

2183
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 3: there at like mentally seventy five percent. Like if I

2184
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 3: got to thump a guard and push a guy back

2185
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 3: to Chack to make a play and I'm like yeah,

2186
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 3: and like I get widened and then and then the

2187
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 3: shot the tackles really hard on Shack, Like that's not

2188
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 3: fair to Shack for me to like, no, especially mentally,

2189
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 3: I know the reason why I'm not stuffing that guy.

2190
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 3: Once I knew that, I was like okay versus like

2191
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 3: I'm you know, Sam still playing right now and I'm

2192
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 3: thirty three years old and I go to stuff a

2193
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 3: guard and like that dude's twenty five years old and

2194
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 3: he just mauls me. Like I'm like, I mean, I

2195
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 3: did everything right I tried hard. I prepared in the

2196
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 3: off season, like I gave it everything I had. That

2197
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:56,640
Speaker 3: guy's just a young dude and you just beat me

2198
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 3: versus like in my head, I'm like I didn't take

2199
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 3: him on is like I didn't hit him how I

2200
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 3: should have? Like I'm not with that, Like I couldn't.

2201
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 3: I couldn't do that. Yeah, it's knowing that your effort

2202
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 3: wasn't my effort wasn't there, and like that's not fair

2203
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,560
Speaker 3: to like the guys in the team. So I was like,

2204
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 3: all right in.

2205
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 2: Yourself too, like you have to stand in your head

2206
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 2: of how you play the game and how you want

2207
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 2: to play the game, and you know, like not that

2208
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 2: you're half assing, but if you're thinking about that trying

2209
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 2: to smash a guard and you're like, I didn't do

2210
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 2: this because of X, Y and Z, in my mind.

2211
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 3: It's just not fair to any Yeah.

2212
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. So I love that you're sweating

2213
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 2: on the bus with the.

2214
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah this is like this outside. Yeah, well we've had

2215
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 1: it as we actually started a gravel parking lot.

2216
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the middle of May.

2217
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's it's it's so impressive to me because

2218
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: like when I talk to you. When I listen to

2219
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: you talk like this motherfucker loves ball, you could just

2220
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: tell he's not just about himself.

2221
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 3: He's about the team.

2222
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 1: He's about everybody, everybody else's job. And I can I

2223
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 1: can feel that from you. And then you sit there

2224
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,560
Speaker 1: and say week sixteen, I knew I was done and

2225
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 1: that was it. Yeah, it's what was that transition like

2226
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: for you? Because now you're going from a guy that

2227
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 1: I have no doubt was one hundred percent in on

2228
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: football his entire life. Oh yeah, to now your.

2229
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 3: White glove service bus brand.

2230
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're one hundred percent in. And now you're

2231
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 1: waking up in the fall. Yeah, and it's like, Okay,

2232
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 1: you wake up in August and I know your feeling.

2233
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:20,640
Speaker 1: We've done it for a few years now. It's like

2234
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: you wake up in August and you're like it's fucking great.

2235
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: Like there's a policeivie that's like all right, Like I

2236
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: know all them boys fifteen minutes out of room of

2237
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 1: my house are dying right now, and I just woke

2238
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: over my kids, you know, have a little breakfast with them.

2239
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 1: There's so many positives, But then there's no Sundays where

2240
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: you sit there and it's like two thirty and the

2241
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 1: noonslate's ending and you see your team catching a big

2242
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 1: win and it's like, fuck, I missed with that locker

2243
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 1: room is gonna feel like when they go back in there.

2244
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. So my first year out, I worked with the

2245
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 3: team in the scouting department, so that was cool. And

2246
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 3: then on game days I was in the booth with

2247
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 3: the offense and I was the personnel guy, so like

2248
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 3: the they'd come out and I'd be in charge of

2249
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 3: like are they nick or they and base? What kind

2250
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:02,679
Speaker 3: of base are they in? All that kind of stuff.

2251
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 3: So that was hell, Yeah, we get we did upgrade

2252
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 3: and we're going from paper towels to pre towels. It's great.

2253
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 3: I felt like a little air coming into.

2254
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about your concussions.

2255
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I sweat my ass off. So it was cool.

2256
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 3: I got to be at the games on Sundays, and

2257
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 3: the first year was the first year was like damn man,

2258
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,640
Speaker 3: like I still think I can play, and so that

2259
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 3: part was hard. And then the further way you get

2260
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 3: from it, you're like like I do the radio with

2261
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 3: the team. Now I do the radio broadcast and I

2262
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 3: go on the field before the game, and you see

2263
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 3: these guys run by you and you're like, I'm good,

2264
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 3: all set, I'm good man, appreciate you. Like Tristan works,

2265
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 3: he comes running by and you're like, I'm all good.

2266
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 1: There was a video two days ago on Instagram of

2267
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,679
Speaker 1: him squatting five plates for like three or four reps

2268
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 1: with ease.

2269
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:53,719
Speaker 3: He's like the nicest guy in the world.

2270
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great human. Iowa cat Like, he's just

2271
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,799
Speaker 1: a great dude. He just he is the athletic ability

2272
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: of a linebacker. Yeah, squad seven hundred pounds whan We were.

2273
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 2: Fieling that a couple of years ago when we were

2274
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 2: at the that Arizona BWLE And you're just seeing the

2275
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 2: guys kind of warm up in practice and pop the

2276
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 2: pads a little bit beforehand, and you're just sitting there

2277
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 2: thinking like.

2278
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 1: What the fuck it comes? Like, Yo, what psychopath would

2279
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:14,600
Speaker 1: do this?

2280
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2281
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, because once you get out of it, like you

2282
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 1: get soft quick.

2283
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 3: You want to be the guy that's like on the team,

2284
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 3: but they put you on season ending I ar, so

2285
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 3: you're like you get to show up like you kind

2286
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 3: of have a job, but like you don't have to play.

2287
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 3: You can still travel your stress. The stress you like

2288
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 3: walk out to practice, you drink some coffee. But you're

2289
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,800
Speaker 3: on the team, so like your way of life is

2290
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 3: like socially acceptable versus like if you get done, you're

2291
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 3: like I can't just like go hang out in the

2292
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:45,640
Speaker 3: locker room and like lift, Like you can't do that.

2293
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like here comes this pro scout Louke.

2294
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah you just want Yeah, you're like the arter places, right,

2295
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 3: you got to go bring a guy upstairs and get cut,

2296
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 3: Like yeah, that year, did you ever have to do that?

2297
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 3: Brought one guy up? Yeah?

2298
01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:59,799
Speaker 2: Talk about the year being in the pro scouting I'll tell.

2299
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:01,560
Speaker 3: You what you learn a lot about the NFL, like

2300
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 3: what plays, types of guys in the NFL. Like you

2301
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 3: learn a ton and it was super cool. Like I

2302
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 3: learned a lot and it was super beneficial, but it

2303
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 3: wasn't something I wanted to do long term. But like

2304
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 3: you really get to see like what play, like the

2305
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 3: difference between personnel and a three four versus personnel and

2306
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 3: a four to three, Like body types like length, what

2307
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 3: guys are looking for, what plays, what doesn't play? Types

2308
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 3: of running backs, Like you don't have a feel for

2309
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 3: that while you're playing, because all you do is studying

2310
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 3: an opponent. You're not studying like you know, height, weight, speed, size,

2311
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 3: how they play, what kind of football player they are,

2312
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 3: And you learn like the whole league by doing that.

2313
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 3: Because we did, we had to watch all the free

2314
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 3: agents for that season going into the next year. So

2315
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 3: then like now moving forward, like you watch a guy

2316
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 3: and you're like, like, we watched that guy for twenty

2317
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 3: five minutes and graded him and wrote a report on him,

2318
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 3: and like it's it was really cool.

2319
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 2: So was it like cutting?

2320
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 1: I just remember going up there is his name, probably

2321
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 1: was a linebacker.

2322
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 3: I remember it was a corner, and I remember just

2323
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 3: walking up there, and I remember I walked into the

2324
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 3: GM's office and I'm like, hey, look like I'm down

2325
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 3: to do a lot of things, Like I kind of

2326
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 3: don't want to do that. Like after after the fact that, yeah,

2327
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 3: I was like, guys, like I'd rather just like not

2328
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 3: do that. I feel bad. I'm like, I know how

2329
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 3: hard it is to play and like and make the

2330
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:27,680
Speaker 3: roster and feel like you're on the roster and then

2331
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 3: get cut, Like you see all your buddies do that

2332
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 3: throughout your whole career, and you're like, man, like I'd

2333
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 3: rather not be that guy that has to do that

2334
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 3: and they're like they're like, yeah, sorry, we don't have

2335
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 3: to do that anymore. Like cool, Like damn, you know you.

2336
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Got pulling the gym apologize to.

2337
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:43,639
Speaker 2: Luke's a grim Reaper?

2338
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that guy. You don't want to be that

2339
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 3: guy because you know, you're you're standing at the door

2340
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 3: waiting for them to come in from practice and everyone's.

2341
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 2: Like Luke, what's up.

2342
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 3: Man? You're like, hey, can I talk to you?

2343
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: And they're like dang yeah and one year removed, Yeah,

2344
01:39:57,240 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 1: like eighty percent of that roster knows you as a teammate.

2345
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 3: So I got up. I got up there and they're

2346
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,560
Speaker 3: like we're sorry, Like it's cool, I just rather not

2347
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 3: do that again. Yeah.

2348
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 2: Was this a guy that was on the team the

2349
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 2: year before, we know.

2350
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 3: But he was a dude. That's like he was like

2351
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 3: a dude, like a dude in the league for a while.

2352
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 1: Oh so and when he when he says something to him,

2353
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 1: was there any like common like, man, you're the grim Reaper?

2354
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 2: No?

2355
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 3: I think he I think he probably knew it was coming,

2356
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 3: but it doesn't make it any easier.

2357
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's he was a vet. He understood the game.

2358
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 3: He's been in the league for a long time and

2359
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 3: like it was a dude.

2360
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 2: So I think he's probably like Luke's trying to study

2361
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 2: on how to cut guys. He's just throwing on moneyball.

2362
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: I mean, did that's at any point during that season

2363
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,160
Speaker 1: of you being a scout or doing whatever you were doing.

2364
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 1: Did they have a reproaching and be like, hey, could

2365
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:45,680
Speaker 1: you play a couple more games for us?

2366
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 3: They always joked about it, but I was like, guys, like,

2367
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:53,799
Speaker 3: you know how quickly you tighten up like qua.

2368
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 2: Low back.

2369
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 3: You know those videos the guy's like running and looks

2370
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 3: like they get shot. Yeah, that would have been me,

2371
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 3: Like first time they run, you know, a seam ball,

2372
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:06,720
Speaker 3: I got chase the guy in the middle of field.

2373
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know the first game, the first game

2374
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 1: that Michael Linebacker didn't have a great one and someone

2375
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 1: made a joke to you, if you would have been like, yeah,

2376
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 1: I'd give it another Like are you for real?

2377
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 3: My injury waiver would have been like this long?

2378
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, huge, I mean that paycheck though it.

2379
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 3: Would have been a league minimum.

2380
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, you pull that hamstring, I

2381
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: are the rest of the season. Yeah, that would have

2382
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 1: been nice, bro.

2383
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:38,680
Speaker 2: Thanks, he's on the team still that guy there?

2384
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that would suck.

2385
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 2: To be Now, did you were you in a point

2386
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 2: too mentally to where you're you're juggling or trying to

2387
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 2: figure out what you're wanting to do long term, like

2388
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 2: how's everything checking him? Now? You mentioned your youth football

2389
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 2: coach with with Greg goals and shout out the boy

2390
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,640
Speaker 2: Greg you do radio stuff. Was there a moment to

2391
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 2: where you're like, man, I kind of don't I have

2392
01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 2: no clue what I want to do, and I'm kind

2393
01:41:59,320 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 2: of chasing some.

2394
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 3: I think you Yeah, I think there's you don't know

2395
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 3: what you want to do. Obviously, like you get done

2396
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 3: and like like perfect world, I would I would have

2397
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 3: loved to have kept playing, So like I probably happened

2398
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:10,640
Speaker 3: earlier than I wanted it to. And so then the

2399
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:14,759
Speaker 3: process becomes like you have to just continually try stuff

2400
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 3: until you find stuff that you like, and then once

2401
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 3: you like it, then just keep doing it. And then

2402
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 3: if you don't like it, then you stop doing it.

2403
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 3: But like you have to, there needs to be a

2404
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:28,600
Speaker 3: concerted effort too. If you're gonna go do something like

2405
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 3: you gotta go all the way in because if you

2406
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 3: tiptoe around it, you're not gonna get the full experience.

2407
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 3: You're gonna waste your time. More importantly, you're you're using

2408
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 3: somebody else's time too, Like if somebody's gonna help you

2409
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 3: try to dive into something and you and you don't

2410
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 3: go all the way and you're wasting their time. So

2411
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, I'm gonna go all the way

2412
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 3: in on a couple of things. I'm gonna try certain

2413
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,560
Speaker 3: things out. I tried scouting, just wasn't my thing. It

2414
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 3: was fun, it's just like I'm not doing this long term.

2415
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 3: And then the hours are crazy too. Yeah, just busy.

2416
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 3: Then the next year I did the radio with the

2417
01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 3: Panthers radio broadcast, Like that's awesome, Like I really like that.

2418
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 3: So that's pretty much the whole season, and then the

2419
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,720
Speaker 3: youth football stuff with Greg So. His son Tate's in

2420
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 3: that picture and that's his dad Chris. His dad Chris

2421
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 3: coached high school football in Jersey and just look him up.

2422
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 3: They didn't lose a game for like five years in

2423
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 3: a row.

2424
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 2: Him.

2425
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 3: Look him up. Just look him up. So we've been

2426
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 3: doing that for this will be our fourth year. So

2427
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 3: it's been awesome, Like we have a ton of fun

2428
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:30,919
Speaker 3: with it. We coach at a a school in Charlotte.

2429
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 3: Charlotte Christian is the school. Check us out, okay, And

2430
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 3: this is our first year coaching at Charlotte Cristian was

2431
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 3: last year because Tate, Greg's oldest was in seventh grade,

2432
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 3: so we did coach Pop Warner for two years and

2433
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 3: then Tate got in the seventh grade. So then we

2434
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 3: coached at the grade school which is attached to the

2435
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 3: high school, and then we'll coach again at the high

2436
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:50,240
Speaker 3: school this year.

2437
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 2: So what happens to the current staff, that's.

2438
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,719
Speaker 3: Like, you know, so they kind of bounce back kind.

2439
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 2: Of like hey, Greg Als and Luke Keickley, they're coming in.

2440
01:43:56,760 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 3: So it's awesome. So it's really we got a new staff. Yeah, yeah, right.

2441
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:03,840
Speaker 3: The two guys that like make it run it are

2442
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 3: Greg and his dad, Like they're phenomenal, and then the

2443
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 3: other we got two or two or three other guys.

2444
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:12,560
Speaker 3: Three other guys, so it's Stu. Jonathan Stewart coaches the

2445
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 3: running backs, which has been phenomenal, just a crazy and

2446
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 3: then Todd Blacklicche so Todd Blackler's quarterback at Penn State

2447
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 3: National Championship one was a first round pick. Now does NBC.

2448
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 3: I think it's NBC College with Noah Eagle, Iron Eagle son,

2449
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 3: so that he does. He does college football on Saturday, big, big,

2450
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:34,559
Speaker 3: big game. So he did All have State Oregon last year.

2451
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 3: He's like, he's a little bit and he lives in

2452
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 3: and he lives in Charlotte. So it's so much fun

2453
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 3: because I mean, Greg and Stu are like some of

2454
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 3: my best buds when we were playing, so I get

2455
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 3: to hang out with them. Greg's dad's awesome, Todd's great,

2456
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:48,800
Speaker 3: and we just have a ton of fun with it.

2457
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 2: Would you ever want to call games like Greg does?

2458
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 3: Does rap right? The I think so the radio. The

2459
01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 3: interesting thing about radio and TV, so radio you really

2460
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,680
Speaker 3: just talk about like what's happening in the game and

2461
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 3: like why it's happening. What I think is cool about

2462
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 3: TV is like Greg does a phenomenal job of like

2463
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 3: setting games up, and like what I mean by setting

2464
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 3: it up is like talking about what he anticipates going

2465
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 3: to happen in the game, why it's gonna happen, what

2466
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:22,759
Speaker 3: you know, say, it'd be like if say Tristan Wurfs

2467
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 3: has missed the last couple weeks and he's back in

2468
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 3: the lineup. Greg will talk about, you know, Tristan Worf's

2469
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 3: is back in the lineup, this is how it affects

2470
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 3: him in the run game, in the past game. This

2471
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 3: is where Tristan Worf's is really good in the run game.

2472
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:34,680
Speaker 3: So maybe they're gonna bubble up. Like Greg does it

2473
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 3: way better than that. But you can really lay out

2474
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 3: a game doing TV because you don't have to explain

2475
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 3: what's happening every play because the viewer can watch the

2476
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:45,639
Speaker 3: game and Greg is able to set it up early

2477
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 3: in the game and then really talk through situational stuff

2478
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:52,599
Speaker 3: and get into, you know, really why things are happening

2479
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 3: and why why it worked, why it didn't. He does

2480
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:57,680
Speaker 3: a great job with that, and I think that part

2481
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 3: would be really cool. But I just have a ton

2482
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 3: of fun with the radio stuff, and like I told

2483
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 3: you guys, like I just try to do things that

2484
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 3: I enjoy, and I enjoy the radio. I think the

2485
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 3: TV would be really would be really fun as well.

2486
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:11,200
Speaker 3: So I just kind of see what happens.

2487
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 2: You ever you got out to uh Buffalo, Yeah for

2488
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:17,719
Speaker 2: some uh for some coaching. Do you ever see yourself

2489
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 2: coaching in the league one day, or trying to coach

2490
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 2: at a high level.

2491
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:21,559
Speaker 3: Like I think it'd be a ton of fun. It's

2492
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:22,600
Speaker 3: just those hours, Like.

2493
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:25,799
Speaker 2: Bro, they're nuts. It's it's it's like take what players

2494
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:28,680
Speaker 2: do when they're studying all week long and yeah coaches, man,

2495
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:30,519
Speaker 2: it's it's like around the clock.

2496
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:32,560
Speaker 3: It's just all the time. And like, I'm just not

2497
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 3: ready to give up that much time. So I mean

2498
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 3: answer probably not.

2499
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, the hours are crazy. I don't I mean

2500
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 2: you the boy might. There's like an itch, there's an

2501
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 2: itch in there.

2502
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 1: It's somewhere.

2503
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:47,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if it'll ever bet A lot about

2504
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 3: doing is doing it during OTAs. Yeah, So get out

2505
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 3: there and OTAs and like and be like, hey, these

2506
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 3: next six weeks, like I'm in, like every day, I'm

2507
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 3: in whenever you guys are, and just do it and

2508
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 3: then you'll know by the end of that of like

2509
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 3: yes or no.

2510
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2511
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 1: But OTAs is such a different vibe than camp and season.

2512
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 1: Ots is so light. The coaches are feel good. Everyone's

2513
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:10,640
Speaker 1: kind of joking around. The minute you walk into the

2514
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:13,160
Speaker 1: building July twenty fifth or whenever that you know, everyone

2515
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 1: goes into camp. Buttles are tight.

2516
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only that, but if you get behind the

2517
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 2: A ball in the season, Yeah, yeah, you start off

2518
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 2: you know two and.

2519
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 1: Two, one in three people just pissed off. You're trying

2520
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 1: to navigate bad attitudes everywhere. It's difficult. That's like one

2521
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 1: thing you don't miss is like the bipolar nests of

2522
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 1: coaches and teammates.

2523
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 3: And it's like you miss like that, like not stressed,

2524
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:38,600
Speaker 3: but like that pressure of like we gotta go, like we.

2525
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 1: Gotta yeah, it's a big one right here.

2526
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 3: Like we got to go make this like this is

2527
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 3: a big game. This is for a lot of reasons,

2528
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:47,640
Speaker 3: Like you miss that, like the urgency, that urgency, the pressure.

2529
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 1: Those week like Week fourteen on when your team's like

2530
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 1: on the bubble, like are we going to make the playoffs?

2531
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 2: Are we not?

2532
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 1: What do we control in our destiny? What teams have

2533
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:56,680
Speaker 1: to lose? And it's like you're kind of with your

2534
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 1: little whether it's a linebacker group or meet with the

2535
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,479
Speaker 1: offensive Linement's like we got to do X, Y and

2536
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,720
Speaker 1: Z to make a wild card can happen for us.

2537
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 3: That's why you play the Band of Brothers in December,

2538
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:08,160
Speaker 3: like you want to be you want to you want

2539
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:10,640
Speaker 3: your season. The matter in December, Yeah, you know what

2540
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 3: I mean. You obviously want it to matter in like September, October, November,

2541
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 3: but like if it comes December and you're like, hey,

2542
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:17,759
Speaker 3: like you're in the un we're.

2543
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:19,639
Speaker 1: In the mix, and then anything can happen.

2544
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 2: In January, it didn't even matter, Like you're in the mix.

2545
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 3: Like you're in the mix, that's all that matters. And

2546
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 3: now you got to just go play your best ball.

2547
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 3: It's that's the best.

2548
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 1: Part of that is the worst feeling in the world

2549
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 1: is December and nothing matters, and you're like, you hear

2550
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 1: the older guys in my first two years, we won

2551
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:37,479
Speaker 1: five games my first two years, and I'm hearing older

2552
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 1: guys talk about Cabo and all these things are going

2553
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 1: to go on, and you're just still so involved, like

2554
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 1: you think every game still matters. What's going on here, guys? Feeling? Yeah,

2555
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:47,599
Speaker 1: way exactly.

2556
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:50,560
Speaker 2: Play for the name on your back now, Yeah, anything.

2557
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 3: To find out somewhere. Yeah, you.

2558
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 2: Get those coaches the way you know, might they might

2559
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 2: be on the outs where they just start giving the

2560
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:01,639
Speaker 2: play for the name on your back, whatever you play

2561
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 2: for whether and you just know, way, we're all in

2562
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 2: December and we're anybody. Yeah, well it's the name on

2563
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 2: your front, your family at home, maybe the cash of

2564
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 2: the bake account, name on your back.

2565
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 3: Let that heart turn black when you walk out there.

2566
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 3: Oh man, you gotta find it though.

2567
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this has been awesome.

2568
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has. I was just gonna ask if you

2569
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 1: have any hobbies outside of football.

2570
01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 3: I love so. I love the bow hunt. Really, that's

2571
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:30,719
Speaker 3: my favorite thing. I get a little josh.

2572
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:34,719
Speaker 2: You guys are out there get real hunter with na Yeah, dude,

2573
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 2: he's a real man too. They'd have you out there,

2574
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 2: and you know.

2575
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 3: I love That's that's another reason I want to coach.

2576
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:44,679
Speaker 3: I love to bow hunt, Yeah, white tail, elk, anything

2577
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 3: with the bow that's like my jam you.

2578
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you go out there to Montana, So yeah,

2579
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 2: I love.

2580
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 3: To hunt elk in Montana. And then New Mexico is

2581
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 3: a really good state too.

2582
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, since we're on the airways right now,

2583
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 2: Garrett cal Rinella, whoever's listening for Meat Eater.

2584
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:01,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, get your get your. They got a great concept

2585
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:03,000
Speaker 3: there is. I hope he has had fun.

2586
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 1: There's so much fun.

2587
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, because but it was a last yeah.

2588
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's part of but you pulled the trigger

2589
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 1: I did. A lot of guys would stiffen up and

2590
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 1: I even pull that trip. So you did something that

2591
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:17,400
Speaker 1: at the moment up I know. And it's fun too

2592
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 1: because Will and I we don't. I look in your

2593
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 1: eyes and you talk about bow hunting and I just don't.

2594
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:22,000
Speaker 3: I don't have that.

2595
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:24,920
Speaker 1: But to go out with them and then like work

2596
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 1: us through like long range rifle streaming. I went and

2597
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 1: sat down and I went one for five on my

2598
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:30,760
Speaker 1: first five shots, and I was like, this is going

2599
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 1: to be the longest couple of days of my life.

2600
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:34,680
Speaker 1: But then Garrett starts sitting there working with me, and

2601
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:36,760
Speaker 1: he's like try this is and this He's lining me up.

2602
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,360
Speaker 1: They're great coaches. They don't make you feel stupid even

2603
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 1: though they're like such bigger, better men than you are.

2604
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 1: It's just awesome, man.

2605
01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 3: It's like those these animals live in beautiful areas. Yeah,

2606
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 3: you go hunt elk, You're gonna be somewhere sweet. Yeah,

2607
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:53,800
Speaker 3: the mountains. The weather's beautiful, it's in the fall, and

2608
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:55,960
Speaker 3: it's just that's like my favorite time of year. And

2609
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 3: they go do that stuff. It's just sweet.

2610
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,200
Speaker 2: What's been your longest like l hunt to where you're

2611
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:03,040
Speaker 2: you're tracking it down. We did so climbing mountains.

2612
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 3: No, I usually we hunt out of like an outfitter,

2613
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 3: and it's usually I haven't done like the full like

2614
01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 3: nine miles ten miles in on a horse and then

2615
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 3: you set up spike camp. I haven't done that. I

2616
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 3: like that. I'm gonna wake up. I'm gonna wake up

2617
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:18,280
Speaker 3: early in the morning. I'm gonna be out all day

2618
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 3: and then yeah, and I'm gonna probably come home. Yes.

2619
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 3: Is there we do we have that?

2620
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 4: You don't have to read that, you can just read them.

2621
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:30,560
Speaker 2: Okay, perfect. We do have a bud light question for you.

2622
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:32,680
Speaker 3: Okay, people would do.

2623
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 2: Anything for a bud light. What would you do anything for? Oh?

2624
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:40,400
Speaker 3: My probably my parents. I think my parents. Yeah.

2625
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:41,719
Speaker 2: I mean that's about wholesome.

2626
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:44,400
Speaker 3: Like you think about your parents and like what your

2627
01:51:44,439 --> 01:51:47,680
Speaker 3: parents have done for you everything from growing up to

2628
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:49,800
Speaker 3: high school to college. At all my games in college,

2629
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,599
Speaker 3: it came to down to Carolina, it's like your parents.

2630
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:56,080
Speaker 3: My parents were fantastic. They set you up for everything.

2631
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:59,200
Speaker 3: Everything was about my brothers and I and so, yeah,

2632
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 3: you do anything for they do anything for you. You

2633
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 3: do anything for them. I love the short answers.

2634
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a good heart, awesome, beautiful my parents.

2635
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,040
Speaker 3: How many brothers you have? I got two brothers. So

2636
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 3: there's a picture older brothers on the right. That's John,

2637
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 3: he lives in Cincinnati. There's my dad, my mom, and

2638
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:19,360
Speaker 3: then my younger brother Henry. Were they some dogs?

2639
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:19,960
Speaker 2: Uh?

2640
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 3: John played football on lacrosse through high school and then

2641
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 3: Henry was a basketball player. Okay, so yeah, I love that.

2642
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah do you?

2643
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:33,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure you have who's that that profile that has

2644
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 2: the Luke Keithley video where he's going, where he's going.

2645
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:36,559
Speaker 1: Who's next?

2646
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:37,559
Speaker 2: Oh?

2647
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 3: That somebody said me, that is awesome. That that guy

2648
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:42,519
Speaker 3: Who's next?

2649
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 1: Danny or something like that. He's all time.

2650
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 3: That guy's hilarious. Yeah he is.

2651
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 2: Paul. Anything that we've missed, we do have Paul Swans

2652
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:52,360
Speaker 2: sending the back with the boys right now, grinding it out.

2653
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 2: Paul was very pivotal in getting the boys in a

2654
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:57,719
Speaker 2: Creatine and an Intangibles group chat with Luke myself.

2655
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 4: We got creating on the bus right now. Can we

2656
01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:06,120
Speaker 4: can we take have some of my suitcase? We can

2657
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:07,640
Speaker 4: take them later on when we get done here.

2658
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 3: Just put some.

2659
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:13,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's some going boys not the real creat team. Yeah,

2660
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,560
Speaker 4: anything that I've missed with Luke, I mean, this is

2661
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 4: this is the all American man right here, and that

2662
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 4: answer right there, I mean that's just that's gold the parents.

2663
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2664
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 4: I actually just got done hearing him talk about most

2665
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:29,400
Speaker 4: of this when we were talking to coach Lee over

2666
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 4: at Vanderbilt.

2667
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:33,320
Speaker 2: So he's been talking about it a lot to just

2668
01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:36,840
Speaker 2: diving in. Yeah, he's breaking down all the players too,

2669
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:38,639
Speaker 2: how to watch film, how to break down film.

2670
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:43,400
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what that the diego Pavia. He's got

2671
01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 3: it like it.

2672
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:46,559
Speaker 1: He's a savage.

2673
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,760
Speaker 3: What do you love about him? He's like he walks

2674
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 3: into a room and he's the dude without trying to

2675
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 3: be the dude. And he can talk to everybody. He

2676
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:57,960
Speaker 3: can talk to the offensive coaches, defensive coaches. He understands,

2677
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:02,800
Speaker 3: he's got football. IQ is great, ultra competitive. He's just

2678
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 3: he's that dude, like he's got it. You know what

2679
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:05,679
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

2680
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 2: You can tell Luke's got his uh his pro scouting

2681
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:10,599
Speaker 2: background too, so he can talk about these.

2682
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 3: Snap Yeah, if guys come talk to him, they'll be like,

2683
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:18,679
Speaker 3: we need to find a way to get this guy

2684
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 3: around us.

2685
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he is.

2686
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:21,240
Speaker 2: He is electric.

2687
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 3: He's a football dude, football guy.

2688
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 2: He just loves ball.

2689
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 3: He loves the game, He embraces it's that's all. He

2690
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:30,519
Speaker 3: knows all about football. And you know those guys, they're

2691
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:33,320
Speaker 3: hard to come by, you know, you still I was

2692
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 3: gonna say to have it when he first came. Oh

2693
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 3: my gosh, that dude was born with it. That he is.

2694
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 3: Talk about a guy that loves football and all he

2695
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 3: wants to do is just be a good teammate, play hard.

2696
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:48,280
Speaker 3: Christian the O, g Incredible White, He's.

2697
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 4: All the first ballot Hall of Fame.

2698
01:54:52,280 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 3: You talk about a guy.

2699
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:57,480
Speaker 1: I have a tough photo for CMC though. I mean,

2700
01:54:58,280 --> 01:54:59,120
Speaker 1: he's a built cat.

2701
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 3: That is a ton a bad angle. But yeah, I'm

2702
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:05,400
Speaker 3: so excited for him this year. Come back, rip you.

2703
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:08,280
Speaker 2: Gonna be a daddy too, Yes, shout out him.

2704
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 3: Have a great year.

2705
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 4: So hey, i'd be I'd be remiss to say, you know,

2706
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,920
Speaker 4: listening to Luke his art, listening to his football knowledge,

2707
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,880
Speaker 4: but your ball knowledge is it's phenomenal.

2708
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:22,560
Speaker 2: I appreciate I got I do probe myself on some

2709
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 2: i Q some good. You might not think I played

2710
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:26,760
Speaker 2: in the league a long time, but from that I

2711
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 2: was the neck you nine years, nine years. I was

2712
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 2: there for the tenth year.

2713
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 3: But you know the lead get a credited season, No,

2714
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:37,000
Speaker 3: because I had.

2715
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 2: A gambling show, so they wouldn't let me play.

2716
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:43,640
Speaker 1: Did you ever come across Will Compton film at linebacker,

2717
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:45,040
Speaker 1: never take anything from his game?

2718
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, for toughness instincts, try hard, try hard,

2719
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:50,120
Speaker 3: collar guy.

2720
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's it's those plays you break down?

2721
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 3: I don't like that's that's that's that shirt you have on.

2722
01:55:56,080 --> 01:56:00,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's uh hearing you too talk about plays

2723
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 2: happening that you don't necessarily make, like being mugged up

2724
01:56:04,240 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 2: in the eight gaps. They got you in a bunch,

2725
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,720
Speaker 2: they're checking Tulsa, putting you in a toss situation, any

2726
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 2: type of situational ball awareness. It's uh, it's music to

2727
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 2: my ears.

2728
01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 3: Yeah right, we'll get you.

2729
01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

2730
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 3: We'll get you that year ten.

2731
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 4: If you want to come pit some race cars.

2732
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:20,600
Speaker 2: That seems like a different life too, So I have

2733
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:22,560
Speaker 2: to be just you can.

2734
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:23,440
Speaker 3: Do I think you can do it.

2735
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 2: Let me play.

2736
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll let you play.

2737
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:29,320
Speaker 2: I was down there to sign and rip there to sign,

2738
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:32,040
Speaker 2: and contract wouldn't go through because They're like, let's hold

2739
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:32,680
Speaker 2: up the NFL.

2740
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:33,520
Speaker 1: Good shut it down?

2741
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Goodell shut it down.

2742
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:37,640
Speaker 3: Dang when's good?

2743
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:39,160
Speaker 4: When's Goodell gonna come on the bus?

2744
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 2: I don't know he's got an open invite. Does he

2745
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:45,400
Speaker 2: can apologize the will for Yeah?

2746
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 4: Scrapping your ten?

2747
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:48,840
Speaker 3: You had a good You had a good number two

2748
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 3: five to one.

2749
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:51,879
Speaker 4: It's a great white linebacker.

2750
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 3: That's Sam Mill's number. That number wasn't available.

2751
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 2: You see that pick right there, Keller Moore seventeen coverage,

2752
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:01,440
Speaker 2: We'll coverage you in. You were in Tampa there and

2753
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:03,960
Speaker 2: we had somebody dropping low hole because we knew he

2754
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 2: was going to try to work wit and over the middle.

2755
01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 2: Kellamore airmails it the bread basket.

2756
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:09,640
Speaker 3: But hey, you know what you had the hardest thing

2757
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:12,280
Speaker 3: about the interception is gotta catch it, buddy.

2758
01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:15,480
Speaker 2: That was that was my first one. And when that

2759
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:17,680
Speaker 2: bowl was in the air, it's something I could make

2760
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 2: the play on it. I was like, you better catch it.

2761
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:24,040
Speaker 2: I kind of just put the hands out there too,

2762
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 2: and was just so high.

2763
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 1: Glo gloves, sticky gloves or those offensive line gloves. What's

2764
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:32,839
Speaker 1: up those gloves you're wearing right there? Those stickies?

2765
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't. We don't wear offensive line gloves. You

2766
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:36,720
Speaker 3: never know.

2767
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 2: I can never get on board with the Keekley risk

2768
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:41,080
Speaker 2: with the wrist braces though.

2769
01:57:42,240 --> 01:57:43,160
Speaker 1: Risk cards were money.

2770
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:47,520
Speaker 4: Were you a risk taper? It's a little swag here, Yeah,

2771
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 4: it's a little bit.

2772
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:50,440
Speaker 2: You brought out Jonathan Steward or earlier too. I did

2773
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 2: put him on skates in our game. Why there's leg

2774
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 2: game we're getting you put him on skates. Oh, I

2775
01:57:57,240 --> 01:57:59,440
Speaker 2: murdered him coming through the A gap. Got yeah, and

2776
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:01,360
Speaker 2: I put him on skates, joked him out, put him

2777
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 2: on skates, like, put him in the air, put his

2778
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:07,040
Speaker 2: late in the game. We're getting our backs blown out

2779
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:09,200
Speaker 2: by the Panthers. But your boy, we're still playing for

2780
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 2: pride at the end of the day.

2781
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:11,920
Speaker 3: Out there.

2782
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, the heart was black in that play.

2783
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:17,240
Speaker 2: Ran right through the B gap, right through the gap

2784
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 2: and just murdered.

2785
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:21,960
Speaker 4: You gonna want to rematch After listening to this line up, I.

2786
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:24,720
Speaker 2: Don't got it anymore. But find that clip.

2787
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:25,640
Speaker 3: I will show you, guys.

2788
01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:31,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure wet. But hey, look, this has been awesome.

2789
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:33,400
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on, Thank you for coming on

2790
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:34,440
Speaker 2: a long time coming.

2791
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:36,040
Speaker 1: This is big for will Cup. This's be for myself

2792
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:37,520
Speaker 1: as well. Love to see you two together.

2793
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,440
Speaker 2: It's just great to get a Hall of Fame white linebacker.

2794
01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:43,760
Speaker 2: Just we've had our lacker on. Yeah, dude, would love

2795
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:44,440
Speaker 2: to get ready.

2796
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 1: You gotta just process out the white line.

2797
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, just the linebacker appreciation that we

2798
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 2: have on this bus. You gotta get on here.

2799
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 4: There's no better position.

2800
01:58:58,240 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had Fred Warner on that.

2801
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 3: That dude is a monster. Yes, you should get ro

2802
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:05,840
Speaker 3: Quan pro monster.

2803
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:08,080
Speaker 2: Who are some of the guys right now? You just

2804
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:12,520
Speaker 2: named a couple Roquan, Fred Warner, Ah Man, you got

2805
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,280
Speaker 2: Lavonte is still doing it, Bobby.

2806
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:19,200
Speaker 3: Now you put me on the spot here and the

2807
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:21,160
Speaker 3: Mario Davis has been doing it a long time. Yeah.

2808
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 2: Zach Bond and him going to from transition from on

2809
01:59:27,080 --> 01:59:29,560
Speaker 2: the ball to off the ball, I feel like is

2810
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:30,960
Speaker 2: a is a heady transition for.

2811
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:35,160
Speaker 3: For Zach Bond. You know who I like? Nick Bolton, Yes, bro, he.

2812
01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:38,120
Speaker 2: Just resigned with the Chiefs, So I like splain just

2813
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:47,520
Speaker 2: to Bobby Gap he just signed with the brave guy

2814
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 2: of Brabes. Guy.

2815
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:53,320
Speaker 1: I would love Bobby Ye can explain for sure his

2816
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:56,760
Speaker 1: his third and one stop on Derrick Henry twenty twenty

2817
01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:58,760
Speaker 1: on the goal line on the map.

2818
01:59:59,240 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 4: How about Cooper jeans stick on hen Wow, yeah, great

2819
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:08,520
Speaker 4: four it was it was, It was nice book.

2820
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:11,240
Speaker 2: I would produce some corners.

2821
02:00:12,360 --> 02:00:14,520
Speaker 1: If you could go anywhere else besides Boston College, if

2822
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:16,600
Speaker 1: you if this is all gonna end the same exact way,

2823
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:18,280
Speaker 1: you couldn't go to Boston College, where would you go?

2824
02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:19,720
Speaker 3: Probably probably big ten school?

2825
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, which one would that be?

2826
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:24,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, would have been fun Nor?

2827
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:27,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not I might say Michigan. I'm not

2828
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:29,200
Speaker 3: going to say O High State. Those are the two

2829
02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:32,920
Speaker 3: easy ones. I feel like playing that playing linebacker at

2830
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:33,560
Speaker 3: Penn State.

2831
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:41,360
Speaker 2: Yea with like a like a sick sick cowboys sticking out.

2832
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:48,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, plus Leslie LeVar Arrington and the Parsons they got

2833
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:49,520
Speaker 3: the kid now Abdual Carter.

2834
02:00:50,240 --> 02:00:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had some freaks there. Yeah, you could have

2835
02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:54,280
Speaker 2: wore a black shirt.

2836
02:00:54,680 --> 02:00:54,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2837
02:00:55,560 --> 02:00:56,160
Speaker 2: Is that? How is that?

2838
02:00:56,280 --> 02:00:59,600
Speaker 3: Holmet? The game news back there? No is that in

2839
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:00,640
Speaker 3: the brass got a nice one.

2840
02:01:01,240 --> 02:01:06,520
Speaker 2: Just reps the classic, the classic game. Luke knows we

2841
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:09,960
Speaker 2: stopped the mudhole in their ass for what was it? What?

2842
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:18,320
Speaker 2: Stripe Bowl? Stripe Bowl he's waited the whole podcast to say, yeah, just.

2843
02:01:18,440 --> 02:01:24,040
Speaker 1: Waiting, and he tried to pretend like he didn't know

2844
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:24,560
Speaker 1: the name of it.

2845
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:29,680
Speaker 3: They said that they put that on the board up there. Yeah, yeah,

2846
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 3: because I.

2847
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:33,520
Speaker 2: Waited to uh, I waited until we were up to

2848
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:35,520
Speaker 2: hit the group chat to talk ship.

2849
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah it's all right.

2850
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:39,840
Speaker 1: Well, you like Bill O'Brien, like him a lot. Yeah,

2851
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:40,680
Speaker 1: A big fan of him.

2852
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:45,280
Speaker 3: Just he is Boston College football, tough, physical run of football.

2853
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 3: He's greatly He did a great job last year. I'm

2854
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:50,400
Speaker 3: excited for for this year for him.

2855
02:01:50,440 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 2: So all right, okay, yeah, I see we got a

2856
02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:57,800
Speaker 2: standing round of applause for hats all.

2857
02:01:58,240 --> 02:02:04,480
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, yeah, thanks for turning.

2858
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:07,360
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for turning to the airkind yees we're waiting

2859
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:07,720
Speaker 2: for you to go

2860
02:02:17,200 --> 02:02:17,400
Speaker 1: Hmm