1
00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,079
Speaker 1: So I am recently engaged. I did not announce my engagement.

2
00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,799
Speaker 1: It did not feel appropriate to announce my engagement. I

3
00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,959
Speaker 1: went through a nine year divorce to me nine years

4
00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,560
Speaker 1: to get divorced. It was an unpleasant situation. It was

5
00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:35,400
Speaker 1: completely analyzed and I sected by the media. It is

6
00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,040
Speaker 1: their job, it is their right. I couldn't get off

7
00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,440
Speaker 1: the ride. I wanted everyone to stop talking about it,

8
00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,599
Speaker 1: but because it didn't end, it would keep resurfacing. And

9
00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,840
Speaker 1: it was just pretty much a nightmare. I mean everything

10
00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,640
Speaker 1: about it. The actuality of it was a nightmare. But

11
00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,239
Speaker 1: then living in the media was a nightmare. And in

12
00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,080
Speaker 1: many ways I brought this on to myself. I am

13
00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,600
Speaker 1: a public person. I asked to be a public person.

14
00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,160
Speaker 1: I worked to be a public person. I use the

15
00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,360
Speaker 1: media and being a public person to my advantage when

16
00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:09,200
Speaker 1: I want to promote something, sell something, launch something, do something,

17
00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,119
Speaker 1: do relief work, and help people. The media is an

18
00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:19,680
Speaker 1: incredible tool when used wisely. It is an incredible beast

19
00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,679
Speaker 1: when used for its sheer force and power. I mean,

20
00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,039
Speaker 1: people are elected president as a result of the media.

21
00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,640
Speaker 1: People become billionaires as a result of the media. I mean, undeniably,

22
00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,319
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was the president because of the media, because

23
00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,920
Speaker 1: of the reality show he was producing in his campaign. Undeniably,

24
00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:45,319
Speaker 1: the Kardashians or billionaires because of the media. Undeniably. The media,

25
00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,400
Speaker 1: which television is a form of media, promoted my cocktail

26
00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,440
Speaker 1: and landed me on the cover of Forbes magazine and

27
00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,000
Speaker 1: Entrepreneur magazine and with my own show and all the

28
00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,160
Speaker 1: amazing things that have happened to me. So the media

29
00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,880
Speaker 1: is the ocean. When you ride the wave and there

30
00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,960
Speaker 1: are many waves coming in good you catch that wave,

31
00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,240
Speaker 1: it feels so good, more coming, etcetera. But I always

32
00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,840
Speaker 1: know when I'm in the ocean that there will be

33
00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,600
Speaker 1: a set coming that will pummel you, that you will

34
00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,520
Speaker 1: get pulled under. You will feel like you can't get

35
00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,200
Speaker 1: to the surface, you will lose your breath, you will

36
00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,120
Speaker 1: not be able to breathe. It will feel really bad

37
00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,040
Speaker 1: and you will feel helpless and you will struggle. And

38
00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,680
Speaker 1: that's what the media is like to You can't just

39
00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,000
Speaker 1: take the rose and take the petals and not the thorns.

40
00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,040
Speaker 1: So in my career, I've known that things can't go great,

41
00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,400
Speaker 1: and I always think and duringda and I talk about

42
00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,119
Speaker 1: the wolves at the end of the bed when it's

43
00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,320
Speaker 1: getting too good, I always feel like the wolves are

44
00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the bed. Something's going to happen.

45
00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm not willing it to happen, but it always just

46
00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,960
Speaker 1: feels like anything too good to be true is So

47
00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,840
Speaker 1: you have to calm down. You can't drink your own

48
00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,840
Speaker 1: cool aid. You have to go away. You have to

49
00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,079
Speaker 1: get quiet. You can't always be shoving your own success

50
00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,519
Speaker 1: and everything you're doing up everyone's ass. You have to

51
00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,040
Speaker 1: go quiet. So relationships are an interesting business when it

52
00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,360
Speaker 1: comes to the media. Here's how it goes. Boy meet girl,

53
00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,160
Speaker 1: or girl meets girl, or boy meets boy and is

54
00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,920
Speaker 1: so excited about it, so excited that she needs to

55
00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,200
Speaker 1: tell everybody about it. She needs to show pictures Corney

56
00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,040
Speaker 1: Kardashian and and her her boyfriend. Now you can't help it.

57
00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,720
Speaker 1: You're in such love. You need to post every thumb sucking,

58
00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,000
Speaker 1: every ink, tatting, every present, every flower, everything going on.

59
00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,960
Speaker 1: It's intoxicating. It's also let me show everybody else how

60
00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,799
Speaker 1: great my life is the entire basis of social media.

61
00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,480
Speaker 1: So I'm so happy, I'm so lucky. We're having so

62
00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,080
Speaker 1: much sex. It's so romantic. They love me so much.

63
00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,120
Speaker 1: Look how great my life is, and it's not that

64
00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,400
Speaker 1: unlike the filtering of the faces and the showing the

65
00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,920
Speaker 1: money and all of the stuff that we have, because

66
00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,360
Speaker 1: it makes other people feel bad. So in my life

67
00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,200
Speaker 1: I have had public relationships and people have thought that

68
00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,720
Speaker 1: I have been in a fairy tale. And I even

69
00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,200
Speaker 1: had a show called Bethany Getting Married and Bethany ever After.

70
00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,240
Speaker 1: And when things were going good, everybody really, you know,

71
00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,840
Speaker 1: it was on board and they thought I had found

72
00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,720
Speaker 1: my fairy tale and they root for me, and you know,

73
00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,840
Speaker 1: I've had a hard childhood, so this is her happy

74
00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,960
Speaker 1: ending and it's really nice and it's really supportive. And

75
00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,119
Speaker 1: that's not only the media. That's also people fans. They're

76
00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,400
Speaker 1: connecting to it. They want to know the details. They've

77
00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,239
Speaker 1: listened to you drone on about your Margarita's, they've watched

78
00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,360
Speaker 1: you on your show, they've supported you, don't They deserve

79
00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,279
Speaker 1: to know what's going on in your love life. And

80
00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,200
Speaker 1: I understand all of that. So you tell them and

81
00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,200
Speaker 1: everything's good. Then the problem is a lot of celebrities

82
00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,680
Speaker 1: don't tell them when it gets bad, so you just

83
00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,839
Speaker 1: hide it. One day, we're all blindsided because they've gotten divorced.

84
00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,480
Speaker 1: It's obviously their own business. They don't have to tell

85
00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,040
Speaker 1: us everything. But we were invested. We bought into this.

86
00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,560
Speaker 1: The media showed the pictures of the roses and how

87
00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,800
Speaker 1: great the relationship is and the wedding and the planning

88
00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,440
Speaker 1: of the wedding and the ring and all of that.

89
00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,320
Speaker 1: So it's like, now we're all invested, and then once

90
00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, the media wants to know everything

91
00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,640
Speaker 1: and wants to spill all the tea and all the

92
00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,200
Speaker 1: problems that were happening. There's a whole cycle, and it's

93
00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:12,920
Speaker 1: very unsettling, and I've been through it, and I know

94
00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,919
Speaker 1: many people who have issues in their relationships, but the

95
00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,480
Speaker 1: media is not showing it, and these people are scared

96
00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,839
Speaker 1: of everyone to know the real truth. So the whole

97
00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,200
Speaker 1: thing I'm talking about is that I got engaged and

98
00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:31,200
Speaker 1: I didn't announce it because announcing it is like showing

99
00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,400
Speaker 1: the ring and showing how dressed up you were and

100
00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,680
Speaker 1: showing all the romance and what the person did. And

101
00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,200
Speaker 1: I know that people want to be part of that,

102
00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,680
Speaker 1: and I know that that's like, so you want to

103
00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,160
Speaker 1: know what's the ring like and what happened and how

104
00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,080
Speaker 1: did how did he do it? But I think it

105
00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,600
Speaker 1: also makes people feel bad about themselves. Sometimes I feel

106
00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,760
Speaker 1: like it makes people feel like, why not me? I mean,

107
00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,760
Speaker 1: I know I was alone and I was in a

108
00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,760
Speaker 1: challenging relationship during the royal wedding of Megan and Harry,

109
00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,360
Speaker 1: and I remember that morning like feeling like she was

110
00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,800
Speaker 1: in a fairy tale and it just all looks so

111
00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,919
Speaker 1: pure and so happy and so young, not because it

112
00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,600
Speaker 1: was royal, just because they were getting married and we

113
00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,440
Speaker 1: were just watching that purity. And I remember going through

114
00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,800
Speaker 1: major challenges in a relationship that I was in and

115
00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,720
Speaker 1: feeling sort of bad about it. Also, it's private, and

116
00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,560
Speaker 1: while people have invested in me and you want to

117
00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,159
Speaker 1: share your private information, the media wants everyone to share

118
00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,599
Speaker 1: everything in their relationship and then make it such a

119
00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,920
Speaker 1: high and how unbelievable this all is. But when things

120
00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,799
Speaker 1: don't go great or something goes wrong, the same media

121
00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,200
Speaker 1: trashes it two bits. So it's like they invite you

122
00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,240
Speaker 1: into this enticing den of showing all the details and

123
00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,760
Speaker 1: how amazing it is and what a fantasy and fairy

124
00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,640
Speaker 1: tale it is, but then are the first ones to

125
00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,400
Speaker 1: want to show how dreadful it is and how bad

126
00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,680
Speaker 1: it is and what all your real secrets are. So

127
00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,400
Speaker 1: I find it all to be a little bit unsettling,

128
00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,960
Speaker 1: a little bit scary. I have chosen overall in my

129
00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,960
Speaker 1: life to try to be as private as possible while

130
00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,000
Speaker 1: being a public person, because one of the misconceptions about

131
00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,120
Speaker 1: me is that I am not private because I've been

132
00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,680
Speaker 1: on reality TV. I am intensely private, fiercely private. It's

133
00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,280
Speaker 1: why I have such a small staff, That's why I

134
00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,880
Speaker 1: have such a small infrastructure. I really do not trust

135
00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,440
Speaker 1: many people. I just do not. It's a mistake that

136
00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,000
Speaker 1: you may trust too many people. So that's sort of

137
00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,080
Speaker 1: the double edged sword of the media and relationships and

138
00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,880
Speaker 1: putting it all out there. But people are addicted to

139
00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,840
Speaker 1: the ride. They love the high, and if the high

140
00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,960
Speaker 1: outweighs the low, then go for it. Mention it all.

141
00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,600
Speaker 1: What do you all think when people are very public

142
00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:50,360
Speaker 1: about how incredible they're romantic, beautiful, lavish, sexual, perfect relationships are.

143
00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,280
Speaker 1: Does it make you feel a hopeful does it make

144
00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,880
Speaker 1: you feel be invested because you deserve to know all

145
00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,960
Speaker 1: the details, or does it make you feel see a

146
00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,480
Speaker 1: little bad because why isn't it happening to you? Or

147
00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,960
Speaker 1: is it d a combination of all and after you

148
00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,120
Speaker 1: watch this fairy tale being built and explained to you

149
00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,680
Speaker 1: and shown to you, when the fairy tale crashes and burns,

150
00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,160
Speaker 1: does that all make you feel badly for the people

151
00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,280
Speaker 1: be entitled to be part of it or see a

152
00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,160
Speaker 1: little better because it was shown as too perfect, And

153
00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,280
Speaker 1: it makes you feel a little better that it's not

154
00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,000
Speaker 1: all it was cracked up to be because it was

155
00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:51,520
Speaker 1: so flaunted. My guest today is my good friend Kelly

156
00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:57,920
Speaker 1: rippa actress, dancer, talk show host, and television producer. She

157
00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,920
Speaker 1: is a silent dissaster. She is a powerhouse. She started

158
00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,440
Speaker 1: out on a soap opera, All My Children. She has

159
00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,920
Speaker 1: been the co host of the morning show Live with

160
00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,320
Speaker 1: Kelly and Ryan in various formats since two thousand one,

161
00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,080
Speaker 1: and today we talked about how being underestimated can actually

162
00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,839
Speaker 1: benefit you, the value of making ballsy decisions, why time

163
00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,800
Speaker 1: is definitely more important than money, and the importance of

164
00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,280
Speaker 1: instilling a strong work ethic in your kids. Her energy

165
00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,160
Speaker 1: is so infectious and I think you're really going to

166
00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,120
Speaker 1: love my conversation with her. This is the longest I

167
00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,600
Speaker 1: speak to anyone on this podcast, and it could have

168
00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,040
Speaker 1: gone on forever, So that's always a great sign. She

169
00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,000
Speaker 1: just was revealing, and it's very different than when she's

170
00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,360
Speaker 1: doing a talk show where it's sort of like, we

171
00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:53,360
Speaker 1: gotta talk about this and then we gotta do this. Hi, Hi,

172
00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,480
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm great? How are you doing? Who's

173
00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,920
Speaker 1: your dog? Is? Lena? I? Every time we do an

174
00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,320
Speaker 1: adoption segment on our show, I wind up with a dog.

175
00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,760
Speaker 1: How my old hound is somewhere around here, which is

176
00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,800
Speaker 1: obsessed with you. She's like laying and you're like, you're

177
00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,559
Speaker 1: like gave birth to her. She is very different than

178
00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,480
Speaker 1: my other adopted dog. She is on me at all times,

179
00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,080
Speaker 1: and the other one is has never been like that. Ever,

180
00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,600
Speaker 1: that will be nice when youre an empty nest. By

181
00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,120
Speaker 1: the way, this dog is the greatest. This dog came

182
00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,199
Speaker 1: from a hoarder house, you know, where they were hoarding animals.

183
00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,800
Speaker 1: Dolman adopted the brother to this dog, but I got

184
00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,800
Speaker 1: the best one. That's so beautiful. So can you tell

185
00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,760
Speaker 1: me about your relationship in your house, like your siblings

186
00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,160
Speaker 1: and your parents and what the dynamic if you could

187
00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,719
Speaker 1: describe it. It was a really interesting household growing up.

188
00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,400
Speaker 1: Initially we lived with my grandparents, My parents my sister

189
00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,720
Speaker 1: and me and my great grandmother all in one house.

190
00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,480
Speaker 1: The house that my grandfather built in Jersey. Yeah, in

191
00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,679
Speaker 1: New Jerry in South Jersey, near Philadelphia, and he was

192
00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:09,680
Speaker 1: a realtor. My grandmother was um a businesswoman. She graduated

193
00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,960
Speaker 1: high school when she was fifteen years old. She went

194
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,400
Speaker 1: to college. Wow, back in a day when women did

195
00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,319
Speaker 1: not do that. She was really a brilliant woman and artist.

196
00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of artists in my family. I'm not

197
00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,959
Speaker 1: one of them. I'm the one that did not get

198
00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,880
Speaker 1: that gene. Everybody else is either a sculptor, a painter,

199
00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,840
Speaker 1: graphic artist. I'm not. I'm none of that. I have

200
00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:37,240
Speaker 1: no skills. My great grandmother passed away first, but then

201
00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,840
Speaker 1: in rapid succession, I lost all of my grandparents, like

202
00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,000
Speaker 1: back to back to back to back. My grandmother. Yeah,

203
00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,480
Speaker 1: it was really, it was actually quite it's quite sad,

204
00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,160
Speaker 1: and it's been very gratifying knock on wood that to

205
00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:57,520
Speaker 1: watch my children's relationship with their grandparents, because they still

206
00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,480
Speaker 1: have all of their grandparents, thank god, and I never

207
00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,280
Speaker 1: had like that to me was just like a theoretical

208
00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,880
Speaker 1: It was theoretical that you had grandparents and that you

209
00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,120
Speaker 1: grew up with grandparents, even though we lived in the

210
00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,200
Speaker 1: same house. They were by the time I was eight,

211
00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,959
Speaker 1: they were all gone. So there's a void. Yeah, boyd

212
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,600
Speaker 1: I didn't even understand the power of grandparents. And your

213
00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,240
Speaker 1: kids lives like my kids lives. They are confidants and

214
00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:31,120
Speaker 1: their grandparents are you know, they're like the cool parents,

215
00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,480
Speaker 1: no responsibility, no real responsibility, all good and no negative parents.

216
00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,640
Speaker 1: But for many years, this is what's really interesting. I

217
00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:45,560
Speaker 1: think that the dynamic between my parents and me and

218
00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,120
Speaker 1: my in laws and me are so different that for

219
00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,680
Speaker 1: years my kids thought that Mark's parents were my parents.

220
00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,079
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Really, yes, so you're all that close.

221
00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,480
Speaker 1: The whole family is that close. It's all interconnected. Yeah,

222
00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,320
Speaker 1: we're very interconnected. But it's a very interesting if you

223
00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,040
Speaker 1: listen to my kids back when they were little. Now

224
00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,080
Speaker 1: they understand things, but when they were young, they really

225
00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,760
Speaker 1: thought that Mark's parents were my parents, and that somehow

226
00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,400
Speaker 1: Mark's parents were also his parents. But they could not

227
00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,920
Speaker 1: they could not understand who my parents were. They thought

228
00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,120
Speaker 1: that my parents were their cousins parents. Like they weren't

229
00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,280
Speaker 1: connecting it. It was like they were alien, alien parents.

230
00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,800
Speaker 1: They just didn't connect to this group. Yes, they did not,

231
00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,560
Speaker 1: and I realized. I think it's because there is a

232
00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,400
Speaker 1: dynamic in our household. My mother and I are very close,

233
00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,719
Speaker 1: but in a lot of ways, I've been like the

234
00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,079
Speaker 1: grown up. My mom is the fun young parents. My

235
00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,800
Speaker 1: kids like still don't even associate her with being a

236
00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:56,040
Speaker 1: grandparent most people. She just seems very young. She's got

237
00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,920
Speaker 1: a very young spirit. She always seemed young, whereas my

238
00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,319
Speaker 1: father and I are very much like we were born eighties.

239
00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,560
Speaker 1: So now that my dad is eighty two, he seems

240
00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,160
Speaker 1: like age appropriate. When he was forty, he seemed like

241
00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,920
Speaker 1: he was eighty and got it. I think I'm that way.

242
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,440
Speaker 1: I have that she who instilled the success the work ethic.

243
00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, but you have to have some sort of

244
00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,400
Speaker 1: person that you look to for this guidance or you don't.

245
00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,280
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't, But I'm just wondering, was there

246
00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,280
Speaker 1: somebody in your house and nobody was at motivated by

247
00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,600
Speaker 1: money or success or work ethic or accomplishments. So my

248
00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,600
Speaker 1: dad was a bus driver for New Jersey Transit for

249
00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,280
Speaker 1: thirty years, then he became president of the labor union.

250
00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,920
Speaker 1: Then he retired for two weeks and then went into

251
00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,280
Speaker 1: public service. So now he's a county clerk. He was

252
00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,280
Speaker 1: a county freeholder before then of Camden County. And so

253
00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,520
Speaker 1: middle class. Your house was, yeah, middle middle class. And

254
00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:59,880
Speaker 1: Marie Mark also so Mark's parents are you know he Mark?

255
00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,920
Speaker 1: There an immigrant family. Mark moved here when he was

256
00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:10,000
Speaker 1: in grade school from from Italy to America. His father's Mexican,

257
00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,280
Speaker 1: his mother is Italian, and his father became an American

258
00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,640
Speaker 1: citizen through the Navy, and then he became a civil

259
00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,760
Speaker 1: servant working for the government. He was in Special Operations Command.

260
00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,480
Speaker 1: There's no there are no actors. There are no like

261
00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,040
Speaker 1: performers are parents. I think we're both thought that maybe

262
00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,320
Speaker 1: there was something wrong with us. You know, when I

263
00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,280
Speaker 1: moved to New York and was like, I'm going to

264
00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,280
Speaker 1: move to New York and I'm going to see if

265
00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,040
Speaker 1: I can get a job. You know, I didn't think

266
00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,040
Speaker 1: I would get a job acting, but I thought I

267
00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,680
Speaker 1: would get a job somehow in production. And again I

268
00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,400
Speaker 1: had no idea really how this would happen for me.

269
00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,880
Speaker 1: I was working for a talent manager. I was really

270
00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,840
Speaker 1: more or less delivering headshots of actual actors, which is

271
00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,840
Speaker 1: how things happened for me. Well, did you think you

272
00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,840
Speaker 1: had it though, did you inside think I have something?

273
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,640
Speaker 1: There's something that drew you to the light and thought

274
00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,680
Speaker 1: that I have something, And one foot had to walk

275
00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,840
Speaker 1: in front of another, and otherwise you would have just

276
00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,560
Speaker 1: taken a normal job because you would have known you

277
00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,840
Speaker 1: would have upward mobility. It's a very difficult road you

278
00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,480
Speaker 1: were on. I think I took every opportunity. I did

279
00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,120
Speaker 1: not discriminate. So most actors would not take a job

280
00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,560
Speaker 1: working at the toy fair, but I did because I

281
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,120
Speaker 1: was like, this is great money and this will buy

282
00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,240
Speaker 1: me enough time. Because my parents were like, look, you

283
00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,400
Speaker 1: can have a summer, but then you're gonna have to

284
00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,200
Speaker 1: like enrolling community college or work for New Jersey trans

285
00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,680
Speaker 1: So so you didn't go to college. Oh you said,

286
00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. That's also very you know, that's very intentional.

287
00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,920
Speaker 1: What was your relationship to money? Kelly and I, for

288
00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,600
Speaker 1: everybody listening, know each other. We've definitely known each other

289
00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,680
Speaker 1: for years, and we have this sort of secret pen

290
00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,200
Speaker 1: pal relationship that's late at night sometimes and it just

291
00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,600
Speaker 1: will go into these long texts. We're going to take

292
00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,360
Speaker 1: it to the next level. This is the year we

293
00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,840
Speaker 1: take it. I agree. I feel like I have so

294
00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,200
Speaker 1: much to say to you, Like I want to say

295
00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,560
Speaker 1: things to you I don't know, like I know things

296
00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,760
Speaker 1: to be true, and then I read them and then

297
00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe it's not true because I don't believe

298
00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,879
Speaker 1: anything I read anymore. But I just want to congratulate

299
00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,600
Speaker 1: you because I'm so happy for well, thank you even

300
00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,600
Speaker 1: and you knew. I told you immediately, I know, But

301
00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:26,840
Speaker 1: then when I read it, I assumed that it wasn't Well,

302
00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,200
Speaker 1: I was like, it's it's in a tabloid, so it's

303
00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,560
Speaker 1: not true. So even though I know it's true, maybe

304
00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,560
Speaker 1: it's not true. Well, so when I say these things

305
00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,639
Speaker 1: about like if I ask Kelly, but I believe it

306
00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,080
Speaker 1: she has a little bit of money noise because I

307
00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,040
Speaker 1: recognize it, and noise is a good thing that Kelly

308
00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,840
Speaker 1: could totally understand. But she's very honest about noise. So

309
00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,720
Speaker 1: we know each other just from our own little world life.

310
00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, from life. So my question to you is

311
00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,440
Speaker 1: I feel that you have some money noise about either

312
00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,120
Speaker 1: because you come from that humble beginning and you've made

313
00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,199
Speaker 1: it and it's weird to have a good relationship with

314
00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,200
Speaker 1: money because it's it going away or what am I

315
00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,080
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing so, and you work so hard

316
00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,880
Speaker 1: and you continue to work hard. Will also get into

317
00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,680
Speaker 1: but what was and became and is your relationship with money.

318
00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,760
Speaker 1: So money for me was always like top of mind.

319
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,800
Speaker 1: I watched my parents work very, very very hard to

320
00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,439
Speaker 1: have not very much of it. Both of my parents

321
00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,119
Speaker 1: are extraordinarily generous, and they literally would give you their

322
00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,800
Speaker 1: last dollar and the shirt off of their backs. And

323
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,880
Speaker 1: that's how they have always been. They are altruistic, they

324
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,159
Speaker 1: are philanthropic, and they put themselves last. But having said that,

325
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:35,720
Speaker 1: I was very acutely aware that I was going to

326
00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,400
Speaker 1: need to get something cracking in my life. That there

327
00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,359
Speaker 1: was no trust fund and there were no cushions saying

328
00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,080
Speaker 1: that was not a thing like there was no like, oh,

329
00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,680
Speaker 1: you graduated high school, here's the money we've been saving.

330
00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,239
Speaker 1: By the way, parents, it's good for you to know,

331
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,479
Speaker 1: because it's hard for people to raise kids when they

332
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,600
Speaker 1: have money. And so that's some of the benefit of

333
00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,399
Speaker 1: raising kids when you don't have because it stealing. This

334
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,440
Speaker 1: is harder when you have not that No one's crying

335
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,320
Speaker 1: for us. I'm just saying that you and I have

336
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,240
Speaker 1: that in common, not having that safety and it makes

337
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,280
Speaker 1: you work that much. Our market and I were raised

338
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,880
Speaker 1: the same way. We always had jobs. We always had jobs.

339
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,160
Speaker 1: Say so, our kids have always had jobs. And having

340
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,800
Speaker 1: said that, I'm not going to name names, but some

341
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,640
Speaker 1: of my kids are more willing to have jobs. And

342
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,360
Speaker 1: some of my kids have acted as though they've been

343
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,479
Speaker 1: punished for something instead of understanding that learning to do

344
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,199
Speaker 1: things for yourself is the way to go and not

345
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,160
Speaker 1: sitting around waiting hopefully to cash in. You know, hopefully

346
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 1: my parents leave me something. That's really not the way

347
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 1: to work, right, It's not how our lives got me.

348
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,400
Speaker 1: It's very hard to instill that because they still know

349
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 1: that they're not going to starve, and we did not

350
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 1: know that, you know what I mean. It's been scary

351
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,199
Speaker 1: for me, and it's been scary for you. So I

352
00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 1: get that. So do you ever feel that the emperor

353
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 1: has no clothes? Do you feel that you deserve to

354
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 1: be where you are, that you've worked hard, that you

355
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,640
Speaker 1: have had some luck. And I want to discuss luck

356
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 1: and work and what you believe, but do you feel

357
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 1: that you really deserve this? Like you've earned this and

358
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 1: this is from was yours because you made it yours.

359
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,919
Speaker 1: I have earned everything I have. Nobody handed me anything,

360
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 1: and I fought really hard for everything I had, even

361
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: like the little things, even the basic things that most

362
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 1: people just get. Doesn't that feel great though? It does? No, No,

363
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 1: it does. You find out what you're made of, you know,

364
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 1: when you get into the public space. And one of

365
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: the reasons I think acting was easier was because when

366
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: you get to play a character, if people don't like you,

367
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 1: they don't like the character, you know, But when you're

368
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 1: yourself and people don't like you, they don't like you.

369
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,679
Speaker 1: And a lot of times they don't like you for

370
00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: reasons that may feel squishy or uncomfortable for them, because

371
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 1: it's like I don't make choices, and I don't do

372
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 1: things based on solely what's good for me. I do

373
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 1: things based on what I think is good for like

374
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 1: every woman, I work with what's good for my daughter,

375
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 1: what's good for her daughter in the future, like what's

376
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: good for the group. Because a lot of times there's

377
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: a difference still in this day and age, the way

378
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: women and men are judged, treated, compensated, and the battles

379
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: that we have to fight. You know, what are we

380
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: fighting for? And you think about that a lot. I

381
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 1: know that you do. And what's crazy and maybe to

382
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: my detriment, I, for some reason, have never thought that

383
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: much about that. I grew up at the race track,

384
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 1: which is all men, and I was a hot walker,

385
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: and I entered into the liquor business. Never once, and

386
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: I swear on everything, thinking about the fact that was

387
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 1: a male business. I never thought about it. That has

388
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 1: never occurred to me. And I don't know if I

389
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: am a man and people say that. I mean, I

390
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 1: had somebody say to me, you're basically a man. I

391
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: don't know what that means. I mean, that's probably not

392
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: the most feminist thing to say, but no, I think

393
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: it's because we have balls. We have balls, we make

394
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,959
Speaker 1: balls the decisions. We put our balls on the table.

395
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you're allowed to say that

396
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 1: you put your tips on the table now, I mean,

397
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: we're not allowed to say anything. But yeah, I don't

398
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: have any tips to lay down my balls. I laid

399
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: it down, and it's not always popular when I laid

400
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: me down, but they've got it. Sometimes they have to

401
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: go down on the table and it can be very

402
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: I always say, like, I married the only man I

403
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: know that could possibly be married to me. Oh, I

404
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: can imagine now, Like, as I'm even speaking to you,

405
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm realizing how strong you are. Like do you feel

406
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: that people underestimate you because you're cute and perky, and

407
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they're like, whoa this fucking bitch?

408
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,239
Speaker 1: Could you know can hold her own? Do you think

409
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: that happens and you've been underestimated. It's been a great

410
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: benefit to me that I've always been underestimated. People have

411
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: never seen me coming. And that's part of is deliberate.

412
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: Part of it is like, that's okay. You can say

413
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: and think and do what you want, and I'll be

414
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: over here making actually very thoughtful, calculated decisions. And on

415
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 1: the other hand, so much of my career has been

416
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: a complete accident. But when it comes to an accident

417
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: and turning an accident into a deliberate course of action,

418
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 1: those are two happy A happy accident even, and then

419
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: maximizing on it, and then saying, this opportunity only comes

420
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: along once in a lifetime. I don't know that this

421
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: will ever happen for me again. I'm gonna work my

422
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: hardest to carve out to get I always say, to

423
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: get something cooking for myself. I'm gonna get something cooking.

424
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: And my daughter always hates when I say that. She's like,

425
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: why are you asking me? Because I always say did

426
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: you get anything cooking today? And she's like, you sound

427
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: like you're from the eighteen hundreds because she does not

428
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: understand that I'm actually from the nineteen hundreds. She died

429
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: to her. It's like she does not understand, like, get

430
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: something cooking, get it, get it cooking. That's always get

431
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: some pieces on the board. But Suzanne Summers was like that,

432
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: she was underestimated, she was seen as the ditzy blonde,

433
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: and she liked that they didn't see her coming. I

434
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: don't think that that's the case with me, So maybe

435
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: that's one of my problems. But given that, and you're on,

436
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, you're in a conservative space in many ways.

437
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you're on you know ABC, you have to

438
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: follow certain rules, you have to play the game, and

439
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: there is a corporate element to that. I don't know

440
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: if i'd be good at that. And do you think

441
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: that you're polarizing? I think so. I mean I don't

442
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 1: think you can work in any field and entertainment and

443
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: not be polarizing. I mean, It's one thing I learned

444
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: right away. And again, I'm taking the acting off the

445
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: table because I started out as an actor, right that's

446
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: off the table. I'm talking about being yourself, which very

447
00:24:54,840 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: few people actually are. I am myself. You may not

448
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 1: like it, it may not be for you, but here's

449
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: the good news. It's always the same. It's not like, oh,

450
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: lights on, here we go. You're gonna get what you're

451
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: gonna get, whether you bump into me at a restaurant

452
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: or whether you're watching me on the show. Do I

453
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: say everything I'm thinking? No, of course I don't, because,

454
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: like you said, I'm walking a fine line. It's a

455
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: corporate space. There are certain rules I have to follow.

456
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: But on the opposite side of the spectrum, I will

457
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: say that all of the people I've worked with and

458
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: have worked with, I've been working for the same company

459
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: for thirty years. So I want to but I've never

460
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 1: left ABC. I worked at ABC before Disney bought ABC.

461
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: It was since I learned my A at ABC. And

462
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: so you know, the relationships I've had, I've had for

463
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: a very long time. Three decades is a long time

464
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: in any Job's admirable and well, I don't know, I

465
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: don't know if it's admirable or if it's just a

466
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: sign of me just being extraordinarily good at walking a

467
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: corporate line. That's admirable, That is very admirable. I have

468
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: to say, it's just and to maintain relationships for decades

469
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: is that as admirable I have. There's no way, There's

470
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: no other way around it. Have you ever been afraid

471
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 1: that you didn't have job security every day? No? Really,

472
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: you've really been that, and you still feel like that.

473
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: You know you've been so I didn't even realize it

474
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: was so long, and you're definitely still at the top

475
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: of your career. So how do you know when to

476
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 1: hold a moment to fold them? How do you how

477
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: do you think about that? I've been saying that it's

478
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: time to fold it for at least twenty years, Like

479
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: for twenty years. I'm like, I can't do it anymore.

480
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I'm too old for this crap.

481
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I need to find another career.

482
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: I need to get off camera. I've been saying that.

483
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean, as you know, I've been saying that forever,

484
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: like forever. Being in front of the camera is not

485
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: something I've ever enjoyed. I'm not very comfortable that. I

486
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: always say, like I could do my job for two

487
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: hundred years if it didn't happen on camera. I don't know,

488
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: are you self conscious about the way you look or

489
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: it's not that, it's that you don't want the attention

490
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: on you all of that. I don't like the attention.

491
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't go to parties. I don't

492
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: go to Hollywood have beends. I don't do any of

493
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: that stuff. Like you and I have had this discussion.

494
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: I would rather buy the blows and have to ask

495
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: to borrow something, borrow any By the way, my entire show,

496
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,239
Speaker 1: the big shot is my own wardrobe. I want to

497
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: buy it. I don't want to give it back. I

498
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: don't like to borrow. I don't want to owe anybody.

499
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: But more importantly, I want it. If I want it,

500
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: it's mine. I'll buy it. I wanted, I write, I

501
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: don't think painful like no. But it's like there are

502
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: times where you know, for my show, say we've had

503
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: to borrow things, like it's part of the deal, right,

504
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: And I'm always like, no, no, no no, I'll buy it.

505
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: I'll buy it later because where you're just like no,

506
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: but I like that. Now we're in a relationship me

507
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: and this item. Yeah, I know, it's very funny, the

508
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: same thing with you as events and things like that.

509
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: But I used to do all that stuff because I

510
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: wanted to be something and get somewhere and be successful.

511
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: But then you get there and you realize that the

512
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: people in front of the camera don't have the power

513
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: and the control because you're basically like a person who

514
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: has to do the massage every day to make that living,

515
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: and then you have to do the next massage. The

516
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: person who hires twenty people to do the massages for

517
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: them and while they're sitting home meeting bond bonds, that's

518
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: the person who's really in control. Dang, dang, exactly, you

519
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: know you're still We're still the puppet. You're still you

520
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: know you're not the I mean, listen, you have a

521
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: lot of power and control, as have I in my

522
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: little microcosm, and no one's complaining. But I'm saying for

523
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: people to listen, the person who has to be there,

524
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: you have to get up and do it and put

525
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: the makeup on and be the puppet sometimes and say

526
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: the thing and the integration and do your job. It's

527
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: a job. It's a job. It's a job like every

528
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: other job. I mean, it's definitely a better paying job.

529
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: But having said that, for women, it is a much

530
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: harder road to get that big payday. It was not

531
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: something like, oh, I got a job and they paid

532
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: me a ton of money. It was like, I got

533
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: a job thirty years ago, and little by little, incrementally

534
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: I worked harder and harder and longer hours. And then

535
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: I sort of left the acting space. For a while,

536
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: I was doing both and it just it proved like

537
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: too difficult to raise my children. I didn't have these

538
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: kids to like have them raised by other people. I

539
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: wanted to be present in their lives. And so, you know,

540
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: little by little I was able to shift over into

541
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: just doing the talk show. But you created value and

542
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: for people at home, you gotta know when you are

543
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: valuable and when you're not. And many people want to

544
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: go in and ask for a raise at the wrong time.

545
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: And I've been on Housewives from making seven thousand fifty

546
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: dollars the first year, two seasons where I know that

547
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: they need me. Those seasons you got to know the temperature,

548
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: the and those are the times that I've asked for raises,

549
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: and then when I have another show coming or there's

550
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: so many people coming in, or there are many housewive shows,

551
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: I sit tight. You gotta went to hold and went

552
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: to fold them. You cannot pick every battle, and you

553
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: gotta sit back and wait your turn and create value.

554
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: And it's Kelly has created value. You don't always, you know,

555
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: raise your hand every day for something I do not know.

556
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm the opposite of that. I mean, the biggest pay

557
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: days I've gotten were there were two times in my

558
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: life I was leaving the show and it wasn't like

559
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: a muscle thing. I wasn't flexing. It was like, I'm

560
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: leaving the show at the end of my contract just

561
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: because at the time I was like, I think fifteen

562
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: years is enough, frankly, and then something happened. People weren't thinking.

563
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: People at the corporate level, we're not actually remembering certain conversations,

564
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: certain timelines, and literally had no choice but to pay

565
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: me what I was worth because they had screwed. They

566
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: screwed up. That's not only leverage, but it's also you

567
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: never given ultimatum because I've seen this too in negotiating,

568
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: and this doesn't have to be obviously about TV that's

569
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: not relatable to people listening. But you never given ultimatum.

570
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: And I've seen it happened too. I've seen it happen

571
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: on Housewives. Whenever I've been leaving. I've been leaving and

572
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: then I've actually left twice like it's not a bluff,

573
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: not bluff and other times, and you always have to

574
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: be willing to back it up because you never anything

575
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: can happen in a courtroom. Okay, but I've seen women

576
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: who don't start filming and they think they have this

577
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: value because it's an internal perceived value. They don't start filming,

578
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: and then the show started without them because Bravo has

579
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: always been stronger and was willing to call call their bluff.

580
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: And then they have to crawl back and get paid

581
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: much less than they would have anyway because now they

582
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: have no power. And then two seasons later, Bravo is

583
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: still going to remember that that person needed this job,

584
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: and they'll always remember that. So the way you are

585
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: in your real estate negotiations, if you're buying a house,

586
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: and anything you do, people know, and you've got to

587
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: get a reputation that you mean what you say, and

588
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: you say what you. That is a very good point

589
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: you make, and I have to say that that applies

590
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: to every business and people don't realize that that is.

591
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: That's the thing, like you cannot just wander around threatening people.

592
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: It means nothing. You cannot just constantly be asking for

593
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: something if there's no value there. Again, it's not that

594
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: you and I are so unique. It's just that we

595
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: know to strike when our iron is extremely hot, and

596
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: we know not to double triple dip from the same

597
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: thing all the time. It's like, this is that their marketing.

598
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: You play chess, You're not playing checkers. You're sitting thinking

599
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: about four moves. Now. You may have to make a

600
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: different move because someone pulls a move on you, but

601
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: you're thinking somehow you have some roadmap. If you have

602
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: to run out of gas, you get gas somewhere else,

603
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: but you think that you have the roadmap on your head.

604
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: It's the thing I have been very you know, you

605
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: have had to work in a space where people are

606
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: it's so funny because you're you're so yourself. But I

607
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: always feel like you in a lot of ways have

608
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: been working over the years with certain people that are

609
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: anything but themselves. It's like it's like you've been working

610
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: with Like you're like, wait, why are you act? Wit?

611
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: It's not a scene. This is life. This is life

612
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: right now, right. And there have been times where I'm

613
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: like that, like wait, why are you doing that? Why

614
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: are you We're not acting, this is not a scene.

615
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: What's happening right, What is happening right now? And so

616
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: that's the thing is that it's really knowing the fair

617
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: market value of yourself. I have never gone into a

618
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: negotiation and asked for anything that was not the fair

619
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: market value of me. And sometimes I have gone in

620
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: and asked for things that are not money. Same you know,

621
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: I've negotiated her time. Amazing that there are things that

622
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: are to me more valuable. Now, what a great I'm

623
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: so glad you said that. That's such a good you

624
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: just that's a chapter on one in my book, Bethhany.

625
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: It's not about the money. It's not always about the

626
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: mone One time I wanted to know that I could

627
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: carve out a future business competition show. I wanted to

628
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: know that I could ever do Shark Tank when I

629
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: was going back to Bravo. So doing Shark Tank was

630
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: good street cred for me, and I had the mind

631
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: thought that one day they'll ask me to do that.

632
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: I don't like to be shackled and locked So I

633
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: left the very big, high seven figure contract recently with

634
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: my partners at MGM and Mark Burnett because I had

635
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: a good relationship with them. But I didn't want to

636
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: be locked up. I didn't want to be have no

637
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: freedom in my podcast. I didn't want to not be

638
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: able to do something to date other people business wise,

639
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: and I was taking a shot. I don't know that

640
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: I'll make that money back, but I didn't want to

641
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: feel shackled. So that's not about money. I left money.

642
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: I've left money to make things happen in the future.

643
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: I left the housewives with no safety net monetarily that

644
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: would be equal. So you're talking about time with your kids,

645
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: time with your family, car vouts, you're talking about your life, right, correct? Yeah?

646
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean that to me was the thing. It was

647
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: that you know, and again, I hate to make this

648
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: like a woman man thing, but it's something that women

649
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: are often asked to like sort of like, well, you

650
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: can have this money or you can have the time off.

651
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: You cannot have both. It's like I'll take the time

652
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: off every time, but I've never seen that leveraged for

653
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: a man that way. I've never I mean, I've worked

654
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: with my husband, so I have, like, i have experience

655
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: with what I'm talking about, and I've seen how things

656
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 1: that are handed to him, say, I have to fight

657
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: for one or the other. Interesting and time, by the

658
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: way I talk about time a lup, how valuable? Were

659
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: the same age? Were literally the same age as that?

660
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: And when the times start to be so important to

661
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: you when you work on a soap opera, which is

662
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: how I started out, where I met my husband, where

663
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: I had my first you know, two kids. I was

664
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: working fourteen hours a day on a good day, and

665
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: you realize that if I don't bring my kids to

666
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: this dank studio, I'm not going to see my kids

667
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: today awake. That's not the life I had envisioned for myself.

668
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm a hard worker, but at a certain point, I

669
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: don't want to give up everything just to work all

670
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: the time. It's moving so fast, it's hard to stop

671
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: the rocket ship it's soaring, but your kids are not

672
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: going to stop time. So it's that's a very challenging thing. Okay,

673
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: So what you know, it feels like you work so hard,

674
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: and you execute your goals. And sometimes I think like

675
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: you're just very happy with where you are in your life.

676
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: I don't think you sort of set these crazy things

677
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: that you don't have, that you don't have that care.

678
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: And I mean this in a good way. I don't

679
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: really have it either. People think I have all these

680
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: big goals. I'm gonna be a billionaire. I'm hungry. I

681
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: just execute my goals. Do you have that? Do you

682
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: have goals that you haven't achieved? General things like I

683
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: want to do that, I want to be do on that,

684
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: I want to talk on a show where I don't

685
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: I can be as free as I want, curse or

686
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: do any kind of goals like that that you haven't

687
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: really achieved. You know, I really do want to continue.

688
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: I've been writing a lot. I'm more in the writing

689
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: in the scripted series space like that is my ultimate dream.

690
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: That's what I've always dreamed about. I think that I

691
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: have this. Part of it is because what I do

692
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: is very light and effort best and and I am.

693
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you've read my text messages. I don't have

694
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: very organized thought process. No, but you're very passionate about issues,

695
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: So that's you're very passionate about issues more than I am.

696
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: You're very passionate about women's issues about politically, You're passionate

697
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: about what you care about. And sometimes you might have

698
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: having a popular opinion and you can't always express it

699
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: in your form. Well that is that is true. I

700
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: mean a lot of times my opinion isn't popular, but

701
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: I stand by it and I'm steadfast, and nobody, nobody

702
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: can ever say, oh, I did not see that coming,

703
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: because I am an open book, and if you don't

704
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: read me fast enough, I will help you. I'll turn

705
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: the pages for you. I'll highlight things that you should

706
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: be mindful of. You know. But I don't love being

707
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: on camera. It's never been sort of something that fed

708
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: me in any sort of like egotistical way. I find

709
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: my own voice grading, and so I apologize to your

710
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: listeners if they're like, this is like nails on the chalkboard,

711
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: I apologize for that. I feel you. I've had to

712
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: listen to myself. I don't think your voice is grading

713
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: at all. I really don't. I have a very shrill

714
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: voice that people here in the supermarket when they can't

715
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: even see my face. That's what Paul says, He's like,

716
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: they can hear you. They know it's you because your

717
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: fucking voice. That's good though, that means that people know

718
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: your voice. People people hear me, and children just come running.

719
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: But I just sound like everybody's irritating mom. They're like,

720
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: some mom is calling me. But you described writing, which

721
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: is creative, and your career started in creativity, so you

722
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: have more desire creatively than you do business wise, Like

723
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: brand wise and business wise, I understand brands. I understand branding.

724
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: I know the power of that, and I get it.

725
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: But I'm not the organized like you have to have

726
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: a hyper organized brain for that. That's what I'm saying,

727
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: Like you have. You are an expert in time management.

728
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: I need a person. I always say, like, I need

729
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: an adult manny at all times to drag me through

730
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: my day or I am lost in time and space

731
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: and you are a machine that way, right, whereas I

732
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: am more in the My head is always in a

733
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: script I'm writing somewhere. Oh that's amazing, Okay, yeah, No,

734
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: mine is in logistics and execution and idea and checking boxes.

735
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like the beautiful mind, the wall of

736
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: the beautiful mind. If you and I lived in one body.

737
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: We would be the president of the United States beyond

738
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: and potentially of the world if they had a president

739
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: of the We really have yin and yang. This isn't

740
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: the longest I've done, but this is the most I've wanted.

741
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: Like I've been like trying to catch it because I

742
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: want to have more. But I've finally gone it down

743
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: to just this. So your business partners with your life

744
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: partner in ways. You have projects together, which to me

745
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: sounds tricky and scary, but but you have a definitely

746
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: have a formula that I don't know which one of

747
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: you is the peacock in the relationship. I really don't um.

748
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: It could be a secret. I'm not sure. Like it

749
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: seems like it would be you, but I don't know, um.

750
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: And it seems like Mark is very definitely Mark. Okay,

751
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: So he's the peacock. Mark is the you and me

752
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: in one person because he is an expert in time management.

753
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: When I met him, he was good at complex math

754
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: in his head okay, And I said to him, I've

755
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: never met an actor who is good at math before.

756
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: You're the only one I've ever met. And he said

757
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: to me, I'm a terrible actor, and I fell in

758
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: love with him because I just was like, this guy

759
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: is smart, he's funny, he's hot, he knows what's going on.

760
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: I've met him, and he has an intimidation factor. He's serious,

761
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: he's strategic and like he has a do you she

762
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to funk with him type of thing, which

763
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: is can feel. I can feel people because I grew

764
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: up in a very abusive household, so I can just

765
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: like feel something. But he's the type of person who's

766
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: super charmed, like people like him, and he's good looking

767
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: and he's got but you could tell like I would

768
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: not want to mess with him. I can't explain. It

769
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: seems like protective and just like he's not sucking around.

770
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: Let me give you a story. We were out to dinner.

771
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: It was a large group of friends. Um, I can't

772
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: I think it was Bruce Bozzi's birthday. Okay, Lucy Lou

773
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: was there, who's a great girl. And I saw a

774
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: man walk by and clock her. But that we were

775
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: sitting in the window and I see this man clearly

776
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: he um sees her and like dials her in. Now,

777
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: this was a post nine eleven, like maybe a year

778
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: or two after nine eleven. He was carrying a backpack.

779
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: And do you remember pre pandemic when backpacks were very alarming.

780
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: When we would see people carrying backpacks, we had alarmed

781
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: by that. Okay, now we just assume everything is has

782
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: face masks and hand sanitizer in it, but back then

783
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: it was right. And so this man came into the

784
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: restaurant and he took his backpack and sort of dropped

785
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: it under the table. So right away it was like, wait,

786
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: what's happening. And he sits down next to her, and

787
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: he like is trying to make a move on her,

788
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know where he came from. We both

789
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: say it, like both Lucy and myself. Mark was seated

790
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: at the other end of the table having his own

791
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: separate conversation. But because he is that guy that you

792
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: just described, like ninja, he came out of nowhere and

793
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: grabbed the guy by the back of his neck and

794
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: lifted him and his backpack away from the table and

795
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: threw him out the front door of the restaurant. She goes,

796
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: he unfurled his back like a cobra. It was like

797
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: a cobra, Like he just came out of nowhere and

798
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: just that's who he is. It's like, do not do

799
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: not with these ladies. I will take you out. He's

800
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: on the stick. I call that on the stick. Paul

801
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: is very like alert night. That's very attractive in a man.

802
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: So how many years have you been married? Years? I

803
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: just want to know what is the I hate to

804
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: say key to success, but I just want to know

805
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: some with You know, here's the thing. I think that

806
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: in in a relationship, at least in my relationship, there's

807
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: been a lot of we that we both sacrificed a lot.

808
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: There have been times where he has not because I've

809
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: asked him, but he has passed on opportunities just because

810
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: he didn't want to go to China for eight months,

811
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? He was like, I don't

812
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: feel good about leaving you and the kids for that long.

813
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: Having said that, he's been living in Vancouver for four years.

814
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: We used to go back and forth before this past year,

815
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: and did that feel like a sacrifice for you because

816
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: your career is so grounded and is this sort of

817
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: his turn because your career has probably driven and been

818
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: the where the fish are in the relationship for all

819
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: this time, I must be challenging hasn't your career been

820
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: like the grounding, Like this is the one constantly he

821
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: has a different career. The one constant was the job

822
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: because it allowed us and we made this very deliberate choice.

823
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: We made a very very deliberate choice. It was like,

824
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: am I going to do this job or not? I

825
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: wasn't really sure about it. Honestly, I was not sure

826
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: about taking this talk show job. I wasn't sure if

827
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: it was going to be for me. I didn't feel

828
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: like I fit in there. I didn't feel like it

829
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: was a place for me. I didn't feel like I

830
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: had a relationship there. But what we did like about

831
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: it was that it allowed him freedom in his career

832
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: to sort of be choosy, and it allowed me to

833
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: raise my kids with a consistent schedule that was planned

834
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: five years in advance. Structure, structure, the safety of it all.

835
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: And they've gone to one school all of their lives.

836
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's like they did not have that thing where,

837
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: you know, because I was an actor for so long,

838
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: all of my girlfriends were actors, and watching them have

839
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: to pick up their kids and move to a different

840
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: school system or try to get the school to give

841
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: their kids like a special place where they would hold

842
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: the place in the school so they could disrupt it.

843
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: And you had one rootie much and you've kept that

844
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: and so that's actually that's interesting. I wouldn't have thought

845
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: of that. That's nurtured him. You made it as a

846
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: group decision, a team decision, and that's allowed him to

847
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: be the peacock that you said that he was and

848
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: you got to be. That's interesting. And it's funny because

849
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: if you ask each one of us, like he'll say,

850
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: I made the sacrifice, right, He'll be like, oh, my

851
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: wife made all the sacrifices. She was weathered in New York,

852
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: she had the lion's share of the responsibility with the kids,

853
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And I always say that he's made

854
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: all the sacrifices because I know the personal cost that

855
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: sometimes being away. I know what it's cost him. He

856
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: is a protector. He is that guy that's on this.

857
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: So having to go through all the ups and downs

858
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: of you being in the spotlight, which is different than

859
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: the spotlight he's been. And this is more consistent job

860
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: right now, which is different than being in daytime television.

861
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: That would make yourself conscious. It makes me self conscious

862
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: like oppressed thing. Let's talk about this and like you

863
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: try to quiet it all down, but by and large

864
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: you've had a consistent you know, you've got a great run,

865
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean honestly. And then I do want to ask

866
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: this really quickly. So your kids are tell me your

867
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: kids and how old are they? So Michael's twenty three

868
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: years old. He lives in Brooklyn. He graduated film school

869
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: last year and you know he's working as a writer's

870
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: assistant right now. And he was on March Show playing

871
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: the younger version of March. Did that. It's kind of

872
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: amazing because they really do resemble. It's I call it

873
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: the family face. All of my kids, thank god, have

874
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: the family face. They all look like Mark's family, like

875
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: they all are. There's different versions of the same face,

876
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: but it's the family face. So he played a very

877
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: small role last year doing the same thing, and he

878
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: loved it. He's not a trained actor. He didn't go

879
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: to drama school. He went to school, you know, to

880
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: be on the opposite side of the camera. But he

881
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 1: worked so hard and he's again like we were talking about,

882
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: he's on his own and so financially he's very mindful

883
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: of exactly how many acting jobs he has to take

884
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: so that he gets to be creative on the other

885
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: side of the camera. And Lola's nineteen, she goes to

886
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: Clive Davis at m y U. She wants to be

887
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: a singer songwriter producer. So when all of her girlfriends

888
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: wanted seventeen magazine and all of these Tiger Beat and

889
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: all of that, she asked me for one magazine. I

890
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: sent you a picture of it. At the time. We

891
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: were in Tellierid, Colorado, and it was you on the

892
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: cover of Forbes magazine. She said to me, Mommy, can

893
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: you buy me this magazine? And I said, I said,

894
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: you want you want this magazine? She goes, yeah, that's

895
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: Bethany and I want that magazine of Bethany on the cover.

896
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, my kid wants Forbes. When she

897
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: like made a decision to go into that, she goes,

898
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: there's not enough women in producing records. She's like, there's

899
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: not enough women in that industry. And I was like,

900
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: that's that Forbes magazine. Goes back to being an eleven

901
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: year old kid and seeing that magazine. I love that story.

902
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: So then your third job, Michael, Lola and Joaquin is

903
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: eighteen years old and he's going to University of Michigan

904
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: in the fall, and I'm going to be an empty

905
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: nester me Lena and Showey. I want to tell you,

906
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm really it's I hate to say this in some

907
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: ways because it sounds like kind of studying, but I'm

908
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 1: proud of you. It's an amazing story. You deserve all

909
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: of the success that you have. This is the longest

910
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: podcast I've done because I could not stop, and I

911
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: enjoyed it so much, Like I just I could have

912
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: gone on for so long. So I and your time,

913
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: as we know it is so valuable. So I appreciate

914
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: the side of you and the stories and the humanity.

915
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: I want you to know I'm proud of you and

916
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you. You deserve the success and the

917
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: amount of work you do for people in underserved communities.

918
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it can be stated enough. And I

919
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: think that it was your early struggles in your life

920
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: that has filled you with so much humanity. And I

921
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: don't think it gets called out enough. I don't think

922
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: it gets shouted out enough. But there are very few

923
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: people in your position, and you lead by example. When

924
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: there is a crisis. You are the first person on

925
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: the scene. You are there and you're doing all of

926
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: this other stuff that is your like brain that is

927
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: a time management expert. But you have not lost your

928
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: humanity and your empathy. I've never cried on this podcast ever.

929
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: Once I just was crying. You know that Rihanna song Umbrella.

930
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: That's who you are, and you're like, you're good for

931
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: the sisterhood. You really are. Well, it's good for women

932
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: to hear. Just when listening to everything you've done, and

933
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: sometimes I think about what I've done. We accomplished so much.

934
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: We're very strong, and I just have to say for

935
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: everyone listening that I've run into Kelly years before when

936
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: I was nobody and I was broken. I ran and

937
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: turned the back of a restaurant and you were so sweet.

938
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: And I always remember with the people that were nice

939
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: to me before, because that's the whole thing, like, who's

940
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: not gonna be nice to you once you're successful. You've

941
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: always been a doll, and you're so sweet and such

942
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: a good person, and I'm just so happy for you.

943
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: Say hello to your family. I'll text you later. You're

944
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: amazing and thank you for this, Thank you, appreciate it,

945
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: Thank you. Bye. I mean, I just don't like to

946
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: choose favorites. That was my favor writ podcast interview. I

947
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: never cried before. I have never been exasperated where I'm

948
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: just worried that we're forty minutes into it and I

949
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: still have the questions that I wanted to ask because

950
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: we're just going on and it was so real and

951
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: she's so busy and so humble and so grounded and

952
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: understand that's who she is where she comes from. She

953
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: cares about so many issues. She makes me sometimes feel

954
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: like I don't know what's going on because she knows

955
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: about everything and she cares about everything, and and this

956
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: is true because I text her. But again, this is,

957
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: you know, talking to people that I already know. But

958
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of that. I didn't know if

959
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: grandmother graduated high school at fifty, and I didn't really

960
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: realize that Kelly didn't go to college. I mean, this

961
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: is the thing. You just take from all of this

962
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: and use it however however you will. If you get

963
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: one little nugget about someone's life or their relationship, or

964
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: their business, or their attitude or their experiences, or their

965
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: humor or their vanity or their lack there of whatever

966
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 1: it is. Just take, take whatever you like and throw

967
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: away the rest. Kelly's amazed. I'm so grateful and I'm

968
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: so humbled and honored when i have these amazing, successful

969
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: people on here that give me the time, that give

970
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: you the time, give us the time. So thank you

971
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: for listening. Remember to rate, review, and subscribe, and have

972
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: a wonderful day. Just Be is hosted and executive produced

973
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: by me Bethany Frankel. Just Be as a production of

974
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: Be Real Productions and I Heart Radio. Our Managing Producer

975
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: is Fiona Smith and our producer is Stephanie Stender. Our

976
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: EP is Morgan Leavoy. To catch more moments from the show,

977
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram and just Be with Bethany