1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The velvets 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 2: Machio Clerk is here. Did I say that right? 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 3: You did? 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 2: I asked you for an easy pronunciation for a Southern girl, 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: and you laughed. How would you pronounce your name? 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: It's a Dutch name and dutchess Mahio Mariu clerk. 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: Okay. 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 3: At the moment I stepped on the US soil, I 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 3: had to give up that my name's pronunciation, so Michael 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: or anything that comes close to it. 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'll practice. I like the way you say it, 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 2: and I apologize that I cannot say it that way. 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: Seems like it would take a little practice for me. 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: But you are a licensed mental health therapist and international speaker, 16 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: a dream worker and author, and a social entrepreneur. I 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: told you I've been reading your book Dream Guidance, and 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: so that's why you're here today to talk to us 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: about this book. I am fascinated by the world of dreams, 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: and I love the idea of dreams as a spiritual practice. 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: I had never thought of it that way, but I 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: am a very avid dreamer. I have dreams that often 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: will happen in the future, which kind of freaks me 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: out and I don't really know what to do with 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: So maybe you can help me navigate that a little 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 2: bit today. But let's start for the listeners with how 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: you got even involved or interested in using dreams as 28 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: a spiritual practice. 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: Well, I've always had intense dreams and had a natural 30 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: inclination to somehow believe that there was something to it 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: or something in it. Yet really, in my early twenties, 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: I was in a pit, a dark place in my 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: life where I had not dealt well with the grief 34 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: about losing my father, who died when I was ten. 35 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: I didn't know what to do with my future. If 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: I imagined my future was just completely black, and I 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: was mainly sitting on the couch doing nothing, which I 38 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: thought would be great, which turned out not to be great. 39 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: And so that really was a depressive place with no 40 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: purpose and no future vision and riddled by grief that 41 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: I didn't even know how severe it was. And then 42 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: by some fortunate circumstances, I stumbled upon the works of 43 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 3: Carl Jung in the year is this Western psychologist that 44 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 3: wrote extensively about dreams, and so I used his work 45 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 3: to look at my own dreams, and I started to 46 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 3: see how my own dreams formed somewhat of a psychic 47 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 3: psychological x ray of what really went on inside of me, 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: and both the things that were dysfunctional as inclinations of 49 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: my own soul that were moving towards a certain direction, 50 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: and if I could align with the impulses or characters 51 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 3: my soul that were doing interesting things and look at 52 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: the shadow that I had, I started to get a 53 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 3: threat that helped me to climb out of the pit. 54 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: And getting out of that pit, life became much more colorful, interesting, 55 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 3: a sense of purpose, and of course life goes up 56 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: and down, but to have a sense of meaning and 57 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: purpose is so great that I've ever since held onto 58 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: the world of dreams and been exploring that's wrong. 59 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you mentioned Carl Jung and what about his work. 60 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: I know a little bit about it, But what helped 61 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: really kind of bridge that that territory for you or 62 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: where did you Why did you take his work and 63 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: your work as a therapist and then move into the 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: dreaming specifically. 65 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: Because his work made the most sense to me. He 66 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: wrote concept that he brought into the world that are 67 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: usual well known or ideas around shadow work, synchronicity, archetypes, 68 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: and collective unconscious and really an idea about the human 69 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 3: psyche that is layered and that there are layers that 70 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: we all share and that we can access and that's 71 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: contain insight and information. And so it was a type 72 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: of psychology that really spoke to me. And what it 73 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 3: did for me is I lived in a very narrow world. 74 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 3: I didn't really know whether there was a life after 75 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: death or not, which had become important because my dad died. 76 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 3: I was missing my dad chronically, and when I started 77 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: looking at dreams, they manifested themselves as if life goes on, 78 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: it seems not to be bothered by the end. And 79 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: so I had dreams in which I reconnected with my 80 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: dad and that was of course life changing for me. 81 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: But even the notion that life might go on after 82 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: death gives a lot of meaning to life, because then 83 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: at once it becomes what might be a criteria at 84 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: dying that die at that moment that is important. And 85 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: then I started to know it seems to have to 86 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 3: do with consciousness and development, bringing your gifts into the world. 87 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: Once you're aligned with bringing your gift into the world, 88 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 3: life gets colorful. 89 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: Right, So, okay, you mentioned the word consciousness a few times. 90 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: When you're dreaming, What is that your subconscious? Is that unconscious? 91 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: What is guiding your dreams? 92 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: Beautiful question, and I'm so stoked to hear that. You're 93 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: a dreamer. So if you just take a dream, maybe 94 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: from last night or recently, or another dream that was intense, 95 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: and for everyone that is listening or watching, if you 96 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 3: go back to that dream and you can see that 97 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: you are in the dream, you are in a place, 98 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: you are in an environment. You are somewhere where you're 99 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: interacting in the environment. Maybe there's a car or a 100 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: cab driver or the neighbor, and you have a conversation. 101 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: So what we know from our own experience is that 102 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: in the dream we are in a world, and that 103 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 3: world would take for real on that we're locid and 104 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: then we know we're in the dream world. But we 105 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: take that world for real and we have an experience, 106 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: and so that is the dream of the dream experience. 107 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: And in that dream experience, actually our mind is awake. 108 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: You you know that there is a cap driver, and 109 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: you add and you talk, et cetera. It's only not 110 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: aware that you're in the dream. So, uh, it's just 111 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: a world that you find yourself in at night where 112 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: you have this experience and this this world is built 113 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: up out of your own belief systems and thoughts and 114 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: expectations and intent and focus and some mystery force that 115 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: helps to create this imaginal world. 116 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: Okay. 117 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: And so that is that is a dream, and that's 118 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: the dream world. And uh, this world functions somewhat in 119 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: the same way, but that is a dream world. And 120 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: then you can have all kinds of different dreams where 121 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: you see, you have an experience of what might happen 122 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: in the future like you mentioned, or you you have 123 00:07:53,960 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 3: more your personal unconscious that manifests, so you're all all 124 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: kinds of ways that you can think about the dream 125 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: and what happens there. But the dream is the world 126 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: you find yourself in that it's built slop out of 127 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: your personal and collective on conscious or so manifestation of 128 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: your soul that creates a world. 129 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: Okay. So it is it's almost like it's just another 130 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: part of you. Like you said, your mind is still there. 131 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: Like wherever this dream world is, your mind is too. 132 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: So even if you're sleeping, it's just a different what's 133 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: the word I'm looking for just a different part of 134 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: Is it a different part of your mind or is 135 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: it just like a do you see what I'm trying 136 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: to grapple with you or what I'm grappling with Like 137 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: I see it as as a part of you. But 138 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm like, but how am I 139 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: seeing things that are going to happen in the future, 140 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: Like my brain can see that? 141 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: Well, that that backs the question, and I think it 142 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,359 Speaker 3: indicates a couple of things from your own experience. 143 00:08:59,559 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: Okay. 144 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 3: One is that there's something in you, whether it's you 145 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: or some or not you, there's something in you that 146 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: knows about the future. And uh, this phenomenon is active 147 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: in your dream and you cannot build a relationship with 148 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: this mystery, mysterious force that knows what is about to happen. 149 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: And this mysterious force knows actually even more things, that 150 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 3: knows a lot about you, what goes well, what doesn't 151 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: go well, what your wounds are, how you can live 152 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: a more healthy life, how you can bring your gifts 153 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: into the world. And I love that you, out of 154 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 3: your own experience, know, hey, there's something in me that 155 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: knows these things. And so then you can build a 156 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: relationship with it for for more. So that is that 157 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 3: is one part of it. The other way is I 158 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: think that uh uh also to struggle with even if 159 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: it is you, it is you on top of it 160 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 3: in a world. So it's your own mind that creates 161 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: a world in which you find yourself. And in that 162 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: world you if you if you follow your dreams, you 163 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: encounter either this force that predicts accurately the future, or 164 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: you can encounter other figures that are really intelligent and 165 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: can tell you things about yourself that you didn't know, 166 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: or if you advise or give you in a direction. 167 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: So there are states of consciousness or figures in your 168 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: dream that seem not to be I they have they 169 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: seem to have information that is not Yeah, the little 170 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 3: self or the eye. 171 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 2: Right I'm processing, so like whenever I'm dreaming, okay, because 172 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: you said you can learn to work with it. I 173 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 2: have had a big fear of this, Like when I 174 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: go to sleep, I'm like like, I don't you know, 175 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: Or if I wake up after an intense dream, I'm like, oh, 176 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: I hope that's not real. And it kind of can 177 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 2: produce a lot of fear in me. And so in 178 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: some ways it's almost like I don't want to know 179 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: if that makes sense, And so you're saying use it, 180 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: work with it, and in your book, that's actually what 181 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: your entire book is about, is how to use our 182 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: dreams as a spiritual practice. So what about the people 183 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: who are listening that might be like me, that are like, yeah, 184 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: but I'm scared of that or that, you know, whatever 185 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: that is. What do I do with that? 186 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: Well, explore it and you can start having a conversation 187 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 3: with it. Just say, gosh, dream or mystery, I know 188 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: you're there, and I've seen that you accurately are able 189 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: to predict what happens, which is really remarkable. And I'm 190 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: also a little bit afraid for you or what you're 191 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: going to show. So let's let's tame it down a 192 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: little bit and let's start small and maybe a dream 193 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: or mystery you can help me and show me one 194 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: thing I can do to love myself more deeply, and 195 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: then see what it does. And it is interested in 196 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: helping and educating, so it will show you something you 197 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 3: can do to love yourself more deeply, and then you 198 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: build a more trusting relationship with this force, and so 199 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: you have a better relationship and then you don't have 200 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: to be afraid for it. But of course, sometimes life 201 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: will will show things that we don't really like to see. 202 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: It could be an accident or a person dying, or 203 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 3: something that we don't really like, but it will happen anyway, 204 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: whether the dream shows it to us or not. So 205 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: if the dream shows it to us, we can find 206 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: ways to prepare for it or learn to learn to 207 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: engage with it in a way that is helpful for us. 208 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes total sense. And also, like sometimes the 209 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: things I was seeing, you know, even if I don't 210 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: like them, I think that's why I have fears, because 211 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 2: they would be things that were painful. But in reality too, 212 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: those were situations where I needed to make some different 213 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: choices and the awareness allowed me to see the truth. 214 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 4: You know. 215 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't want to accept the truth and it 216 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: was painful, but like, ultimately, that's not in my highest 217 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: good to be in a situation that isn't I wasn't 218 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: either getting the truth or that you know, wasn't in 219 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 2: line with who I am or things like that. So yeah, 220 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: I guess it is better to lean into it. Well, 221 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: let's talk through. Your book really breaks down how people 222 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: can communicate with their dreams or communicate with themselves before 223 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: their dreams and ask questions. And there's all these different 224 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: steps that you go through, which is fascinating to me 225 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: because it makes it seem so simple. And so let's 226 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: break those down. First of all, what is dream incubation 227 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: because there an easy summary of that, because you use 228 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: that term so often in the book, and I just 229 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: want to maybe if it does come up, I want 230 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: people to understand what that is. 231 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: Yes, So, dream incubation is a very old technique in 232 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: which people ask the dream a question before they go 233 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: to sleep, okay, in order for the dream to respond 234 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: to their question. And this has come back in almost 235 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: any spiritual and religious tradition around the world. The thoughts 236 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: are somewhat different of whether there is a god or 237 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: a divine or a spirit guide that answers in the 238 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: dream or the ancestors. But somehow every culture spiritual tradition 239 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: has figured out that there is a mystery force in 240 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: the dream, like you know, and that it knows things 241 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: about us and that we can proactively engage with it. 242 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: So some dreams by nature bring us something helpful. However, 243 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: we don't have to wait for the dream to come 244 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: to us. We can ask a question for anything that's 245 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: relevant to our live path. 246 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: So if we can ask any questions, how would we 247 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: know what questions to ask? 248 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: Yes, So any question that is a question that's in 249 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: your heart or on your mind that's relevant to your 250 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: life path that you can ask And so you could 251 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 3: do now for example and the people that listen, just 252 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: a really simple practice, and that is take a couple 253 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: of breaths and ask yourself what would I like to ask? 254 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 3: And then see what comes up. And I don't know 255 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: if you have anything that comes up and that you 256 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: want to share and if you want, great, If you not, 257 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: it's also fun. 258 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: I mean I have eight hundred questions. 259 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: Take the first one. 260 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: Okay. Career wise, I've sort of been like, what's the 261 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: next thing? Like what direction do I need to go in? 262 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: Because some things have shifted and I feel like I'm 263 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: being called to grow something but I'm not clear on 264 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: exactly what that is. But I don't even know how 265 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: to word the question. Does that make sense? 266 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: No? But this is great? That is step one. You identify, Hey, 267 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: there is something in me that feels that there is 268 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: a call to do something else or something new. Okay, 269 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: And in step two you can formulate the right question. 270 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: And that is sometimes a little puzzle, but you could 271 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: sometimes it's clear, like you can ask, is what direction 272 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: would be soul? What direction do you want to grow into? Okay, 273 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: that that could be could also be that that is 274 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 3: a little bit too broad, right, that you have to 275 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 3: narrow it down and ask questions, what could I focus 276 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: upon right now that would be in the benefit of 277 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: the growth of my soul. Then you get one thing 278 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 3: and you just can focus on that one thing that 279 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 3: will be maybe a stepping stone that gives you insight 280 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: in the into what is next, because maybe it shows you, 281 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 3: maybe it shows you something in general where you need 282 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: to go, but your own soul wants you to figure 283 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 3: it out a little bit on your own. So what 284 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: is the next step that I need to focus upon? 285 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 3: And then you will see what that is? 286 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: Okay? 287 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 288 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: It does so because in the book you mentioned like 289 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: the way that you ask the question is really important 290 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: because especially if we ask a question that has two 291 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: questions within one sentence, it can really get confused in 292 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: our dreams or maybe you don't get the clarity that 293 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 2: you're looking for, and so is that. So maybe it's 294 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: like one of those things that you can try a 295 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 2: couple different times. Like if I had that question, then 296 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: I dream something and I'm like, what this doesn't make sense? 297 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: Could I just rephrase the question the next night? 298 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 3: You can always rephrase it. I always house people puzzle 299 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 3: a little bit, and you can say to the mystery, 300 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 3: thank you for entering makes no sense. 301 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 4: I'm gonna retry this, right. 302 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: It is always willing to help. But let's say that 303 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: you would ask the question, what could I focus upon 304 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 3: right now that would be helpful for the next step 305 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: in my career? Okay, that is one question. That is 306 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: just one question. If you would say what could I 307 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: do for my career? And how do I find a 308 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: great law or how do I be a better partner? Whatever, 309 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 3: then things get quickly conformed. 310 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, your dreams are like what do you want to know? 311 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: This is a lot, this is your whole life. 312 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: Here, Yeah, throw everything at you. And then you don't 313 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 3: also not know which part of the dream refers to 314 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 3: the partner and to write and to money. 315 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: And okay, okay, so then let's talk about like what 316 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: is the importance? Then you have a dream like I 317 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: actually tried this two nights ago and had the weirdest dream. 318 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 2: I have no idea what it meant, and I already 319 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: forgot it. So, like I guess you think in the 320 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 2: book you really mentioned like the importance of the second 321 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: you wake up you have to write it down. Is 322 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: that one of the steps correct? 323 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct. And at night your short term memory 324 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: goes offline. Okay, that's why you don't remember your dreams 325 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 3: when it comes back when you wake up. So the 326 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 3: best thing to do is when you wake up in 327 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: the morning, repeat to dream three times so that you 328 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 3: that it gets stored back in your memory, and then 329 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 3: write it down at the minimum a couple of keywords, 330 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 3: but preferably the whole dream, because dreams evaporate and that 331 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 3: there's nothing to do with intelligence or willpower. It's just 332 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 3: that the brain doesn't store it correctly well in the morning, 333 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 3: So write it down and and and it is not. 334 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: Sometimes it's very clear the dream response, but sometimes it's 335 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: also it gets information that you hadn't thought about yet, 336 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 3: So it comes from an angle that you hadn't pondered about, 337 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 3: and so it's it's new information, and it's very easy 338 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 3: to dismiss it and if you just write it down 339 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: and come back an hour later, or you read the 340 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: dream to a friend and you say gosh, and then 341 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: you read it out loud. Very often it's at once 342 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 3: oh oh, now it makes sense. 343 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember that. I do remember asking a question. 344 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: I wish I can't even remember the question now, but 345 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: I asked a question, and then I had the most 346 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: random dream and I was I think the reason I 347 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: didn't write it down is because I was thinking this 348 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: was really off. But maybe it was actually telling me 349 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: something that I just couldn't quite piece together. 350 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: That is working, uh, my working hypothesis. I'm radical. I 351 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: think that if you ask this mystery source within that 352 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: knows about the future and that knows about you, a 353 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 3: question that it will answer and and and so I 354 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: also consider it more intelligent than than humans. Right, so 355 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: it answers in usually a dream form, and dreams are 356 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 3: metaphorical by nature their environments, and not just a little 357 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 3: letter to us. So it takes a little bit of 358 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 3: puzzling to figure it out. And we can talk about 359 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 3: how you can puzzle with your dream. But I encourage 360 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 3: people write it down, just treat it as if you 361 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 3: were meeting this wise compassionate counselor that gives you an answer. 362 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 3: It might be a little bit riddled for you when 363 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 3: you wake up, and your consciousness might think that is 364 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 3: silly or that's weird, there's nothing to do with me, 365 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: especially then write it down because it might be coming 366 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 3: from an angle that you didn't think about and give 367 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: you the answer that you were looking for. 368 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: Okay, this is feeling really so. I did a psilocybin 369 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: journey with Shaman. I guess this is about a year 370 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: ago now, and so much of this is feeling really 371 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 2: familiar to me because during that journey I had all 372 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: of these visions, but I couldn't really make sense of 373 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: a lot of them, and I wanted to write them down. 374 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: At the end of he s no, they'll they'll reveal 375 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: themselves when it's ready, and like it has been so true, 376 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 2: certain things will ping back to me and they'll make 377 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: complete sense. Or like, it's just so interesting what came 378 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 2: up not really being the thing that I thought I 379 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 2: needed to work through at the time, you know, like 380 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: it's always just so interesting that I think that our 381 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 2: minds are subconscious, unconscious all of these different things are 382 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 2: just so much more powerful than we actually even ever know, 383 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 2: and so we're just like walking around the world trying 384 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: to think our way through things, and it's like, no, 385 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: it's all there to be revealed if we just quiet 386 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: our minds enough to see it or listen to it. 387 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 3: I totally agree, and I think that a psilocybin or 388 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 3: a yauasca journey actually a journey into a similar realm 389 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 3: as to dream, and it's built up simi literally as dream. 390 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: So dreams are maybe little drops of mushroom journeys. Yes, 391 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 3: ayahuasca journeys. Yeah, you can access the same states of 392 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: intelligence and consciousness, just in a much smaller dose. But 393 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: the way you can engage in the in the mushroom 394 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 3: journey with the environment and ask it questions and how 395 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: your thoughts co create the environment and how there are 396 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 3: sometimes figures that tell you things you didn't know. Same 397 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: same for the dream and at the end of the day, 398 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 3: same same for this reality. But this reality is super 399 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: dense and the dream and the ayahuasca world or the 400 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 3: mushroom world are much more fluid because it's form, it's 401 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 3: it's it's a it's a different form of imagination or 402 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 3: the soul. 403 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 2: Or right, it's just more amplified. Yeah, so you mentioned 404 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: the puzzle after you know, basically you write your dream down. 405 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: So I mean, are people oftentimes misinterpreting dreams or like, 406 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: you know, you can go find books and it's like, oh, 407 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: I think I heard you on a podcast say like 408 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: a snake can mean many different things and a dream. 409 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 2: So if you go read these books that are like 410 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: dream interpretations, maybe that's not what your mind was actually meaning. 411 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: So how do we know if we're accurately interpreting these dreams? 412 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the million dollar. 413 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: Question, right. I was hoping you could answer. 414 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 3: Some things that seem it's girl. You had this notion, 415 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: he said, if you have the sense that it clicks, 416 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: so that your interpretation that it clicks is very often 417 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: an indication that's not on hundred percent the case because 418 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 3: we all know people who have a vision or an 419 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 3: idea that really clicks for them and we can see 420 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 3: that it is not really uh accurate, so usually it clicks. Method. 421 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 3: The other is, the more you understand about how these 422 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: worlds get created, the easier it becomes to to to 423 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 3: to work with them. And for example, the dream world 424 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 3: is a combination between your personal unconscious beliefs and thoughts 425 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: and experiences and something else that mystery force that you 426 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 3: encountered that creates it. And so let's say, Uh, I 427 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 3: would have a dream in which my neighbor gets I 428 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: don't know, gets a new car and I'm jealous because 429 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 3: I wanted to have that car. And then my previous 430 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: friend John comes by, and that's the dream, and uh 431 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: and and then you would maybe ask what do you 432 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 3: associate to John? And would say, oh, John is a 433 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 3: prievious friend who is very jealous or envious. And then uh, 434 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: you could say, your your belief systems and experiences take 435 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 3: on form and shape of people and objects that we 436 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 3: know where we have a certain association to. So John 437 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 3: is jealous or envious, maybe so and so is Maybe 438 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 3: my former boss is critical, so then he comes to 439 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: the dream as criticalness. But that's very personal because your 440 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 3: former boss, Uh, maybe you know, maybe you would know 441 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 3: John too, and we would say, oh, no, John, I 442 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 3: know John very well. John is generous, So you have 443 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 3: a different experience of John. So in your dream, John 444 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 3: would be the presentation of generosity, where in my dream 445 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,719 Speaker 3: he would be envy. And so we could you cannot 446 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 3: say one thing or one character means the same thing 447 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: to everyone. There's a personal layer. You get to that 448 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: personal layer by asking the question, what do I associate 449 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 3: to this figure? 450 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: Okay? 451 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: So that is one little technique and that gives some 452 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: understanding of this dream work. Another is the question you 453 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 3: can ask is what is the function of this so 454 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: a car, what is the function of the car? Or 455 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 3: the car move me through life? Okay, so my way 456 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 3: of moving through life. And then I can look at 457 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 3: the dream what my way of moving through life is doing. 458 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: Maybe I can get the breaks to work or the 459 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: way I move through life, and I seem not to 460 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: be able to stop or to get to the steering will, 461 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: and I feel out of control. So those two things 462 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 3: can help people work with their dream without the need 463 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: to go to the dream dictionary. Because the tiger or 464 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: the snake means in one culture dish and on the 465 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: other culture death, and it could mean something, but it 466 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: also could not mean. 467 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: That, right, But how do we know? So I actually 468 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 2: when you said the thing about I can't remember how 469 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: you worded it, but it reminds me of the gut, 470 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 2: like my gut always knows, like when I've had dreams 471 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: in the past and they were so vivid that I 472 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: wished I could forget them, but I couldn't, and then 473 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: I would something would happen, and I'm like, oh, this 474 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: is what this meant. And I knew so clearly like 475 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 2: it wasn't There was no question in my mind. My 476 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: body was very calm, even if it was negative things, 477 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: And so to me, that was when I knew my 478 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: dream was right. 479 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that notion when you said, also, my 480 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 3: body was calm. I think that it is very often 481 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: an indication that the hero on the right track. 482 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's if it's something you. 483 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 3: Don't plung or this person is going to die, but 484 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: if you feel very calm, it's probably right. 485 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: The other thing I love that you mentioned in the book, though, 486 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: is like a dream isn't a genie because I think 487 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: a lot of times we associate Okay, well, if I 488 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: can talk to my dreams, I can get answers in 489 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 2: my dreams, I'm just going to ask for all the things. 490 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: Like a lot of times people associate prayer with that too, 491 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: write like dear God, give me a million dollars, like 492 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: you know, or whatever it is. So, what is it 493 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: if a dream isn't a genie? What would you even 494 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: call a dream, like, why do we need this for 495 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: our spiritual practice? 496 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 3: Because it really works for spiritual practice, and it doesn't 497 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 3: really work well for the million dollars in general unless 498 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 3: it belongs to your spiritual practice. 499 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: Okay. 500 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: And so they've done some research at Harvard University on 501 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: a dream incubation, and what they notice is that the 502 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 3: students who would ask questions that were emotionally irrelevant to 503 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 3: them or of medical nature would get a high percentage 504 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: of dreams that would make sense to their question. People 505 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 3: that would ask questions that were too conceptual not personally 506 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 3: irrelevant would not get an answer. So it looks like 507 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: this mysterious force that knows is interested in helping and 508 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: educating in you becoming you. Are you working through your 509 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: karma or helping you with your emotional life soul's purpose? 510 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: Then you get answers. But if you would ask what 511 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 3: did my neighbor have for dinner? How do I get 512 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 3: the ferrari or the million dollars? It just doesn't have 513 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 3: to do with the flourishing of you as an individual, 514 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 3: and that is what it wants to support. If you 515 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 3: would ask the question, how can I, with my work 516 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 3: touch more people that become more fulfilled and that I 517 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 3: can earn a living with that. Oh, there's the dream 518 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 3: at once is really interested because now it's going to 519 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 3: help you bring your gift in an optimal way into 520 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 3: the world. Yeah, and that you get bait for it 521 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 3: is also a regular thing. 522 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: Okay. I love that that piece of just like it 523 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 2: has to be in line with your soul's purpose and 524 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: your spiritual journey, because I think a lot of times 525 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: in our culture it gets lost that we're not all 526 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: on the same journey striving for the same thing. Like 527 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of times the picture is painted 528 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: of what success should look like like. Success looks like 529 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: a big house, a ferrari, millions of dollars, all of 530 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: those things. And it could but you know, your life, 531 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: in your spiritual path and your journey could call for 532 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: some something totally different. And so what I hear you 533 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 2: saying is this dreaming and really tapping into your dreams 534 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: and working with your dreams is another form of really 535 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 2: finding your own uniqueness and going on your own journey 536 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: and not having to like map out your life based 537 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: on what everyone else is doing or what someone else 538 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: tells you, which look. 539 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 3: Like beautifully said. And indeed it's the it's the core 540 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 3: of this, this notion. And also that you have this 541 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,239 Speaker 3: this this wise compassionate counselor insight that knows what that 542 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 3: can help you with your journey. So it gives tailor 543 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: made answers to your situation in ways that no other 544 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 3: system really can do because it knows how you have 545 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,959 Speaker 3: this wound. And in order for you to work with 546 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: this wound, you want to develop this or you need 547 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 3: this experience. And that is so unique. And there's only 548 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 3: the world is as only uniqueness. There's there's there's not 549 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 3: even two flakes of snow who are the same. There's 550 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 3: no two humans who have the same path. Uh And 551 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 3: and so there is not really one guideline or one 552 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: book that can help a person. 553 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 4: If you do this, then you will be happy, right. 554 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: And it's interesting because that is how we live a 555 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 2: lot of our lives. I mean, I know that I 556 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 2: have like if you go through a bad breakup, well 557 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 2: I want the self help books that are going to 558 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 2: help me get to the other side. But every relationship 559 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 2: is different, every person is different, and there is no 560 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: one size fits all healing or journey. I love that 561 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 2: you mentioned like the only like the wound part, like 562 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 2: this is the one place that knows all of your wounds, 563 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 2: Like it is true more than even your therapist would it. 564 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: It can break down every piece of you that maybe 565 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 2: you're not even conscious of and work with that. 566 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and it can show you the next step. 567 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 3: That's just like when you asked with your career, maybe 568 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 3: what's the next step? Because this step will lead you 569 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 3: to that and then you're there and then immediately saying 570 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 3: you need to be there, you know, it's like, oh, 571 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 3: maybe you first need to go to Atlanta before you 572 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 3: actually end up in Seattle, but there was something there, 573 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 3: So if I tell you need to go to Seattle, 574 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 3: you might miss Atlanta. Right, So it will tell you 575 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 3: if you ask the next step, you say, oh, oh, 576 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 3: just that is it? Yeah, and with wounds the same 577 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 3: it were stuck in. I still this grudge about my ex. 578 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 3: How can I let go? What's one thing I can 579 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 3: do to let go? And then your dream will show 580 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 3: a scene or an experience that you can mimic to 581 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 3: let go of the crutch. 582 00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, this is fascinating to me. So I love 583 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 2: When I was talking to your book publisher, she said, 584 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 2: One of the main topics that she loved is how 585 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 2: dreams can help with love, health, purpose, and personal development. 586 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 2: And so I feel like a lot of the listeners 587 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 2: like because when I read that, I was like, Okay, 588 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 2: how do I mean like help me in love? Like 589 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 2: what you know? And so is it just it's a journey, right? 590 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 2: I'm assuming this isn't like I'm going to go to 591 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 2: sleep tonight and figure my whole entire life out. I 592 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 2: wish that would be amazing. But is there a specific 593 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 2: place that you would suggest to listeners to start, because 594 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 2: I think even coming out of this this time, this pandemic, 595 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: all of this stuff, everyone is asking questions like do 596 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 2: I like this job that I'm in. We've really kind 597 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 2: of had this moment of evaluating our lives and what 598 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 2: we're putting our energy into. So it can be a 599 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: little overwhelming to be going on any sort of spiritual 600 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 2: journey right now. So do you have a suggestion of 601 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 2: just how to decipher where to start in your practice 602 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: with dreams? 603 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 3: Well, of course, it's it's individual for everyone. If you 604 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 3: have a burning question, take that question, and sometimes it's 605 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 3: a huge question that will be a process and to 606 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 3: figure it out because let's say you want to have 607 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 3: a great relationship, most likely that's going to take a 608 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 3: lot of steps before you're there. 609 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and. 610 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 3: Because there's so many components in it. But if people 611 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 3: are listening and they want to ask a question tonight, 612 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 3: things that have worked really well that I didn't studies 613 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 3: with a question as what is one type of food 614 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 3: that would be really healthy for me to eat? And 615 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 3: that that triggers an exceptionally high positive response with clear answers. 616 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 3: Another one that is that's always great is we talked 617 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 3: about before, what is one thing I can do to 618 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 3: love myself more deeply? And of course if I love 619 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 3: myself more deeply, I can be open hearted and connect 620 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 3: our others more deeply, because it's very hard to give 621 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 3: what you don't have. And so those are two questions 622 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 3: that generally work really well that people can practice tonight 623 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 3: in order for them if they want to do that, 624 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 3: make sure you write it down because that seems to 625 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 3: be important. Create a little ritual, so talk to the dream, 626 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,720 Speaker 3: make a drawing, write a letter, light a candle, dance 627 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 3: whatever comes up for you. But just that you communicate 628 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 3: to the mystery. I'd love to have some help I 629 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 3: was listening to this guy talking to Kelly today and 630 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 3: I'm not sure dream if you can do this, but 631 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 3: would that be cool? Yes, please let me know if 632 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 3: you can answer. And then you just write down the 633 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 3: question and you'd be just honest in that relationship. You 634 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 3: tell it and then the next morning you have to 635 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 3: write it down. But otherwise gone, and that's not good. Uh, 636 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 3: communications with the with the mystery and uh and and 637 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 3: you and probably you will have a tool, but you 638 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 3: can apply the rest for your life. How often how 639 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 3: little you want for challenges and and and and quests 640 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 3: that you're on? 641 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 2: Okay, so what kind of food could I help? What 642 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 2: was it again? 643 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 3: What is one type that's that is usually where it is? 644 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 3: Make it very simple? What is one type of food 645 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 3: that would be very healthy for me to eat? What 646 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 3: you would enjoy eating? And like my mother did do this, 647 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 3: and she was dreaming that she had all that she was, Uh, 648 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 3: there were all kinds of glasses with water on the table, 649 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 3: and she took a couple of chips and then she 650 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 3: she forgot about it. She was like, oh, yeah, I 651 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 3: very often start drinking water during day. I forget about it. 652 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 3: But here are even eight glasses of water. So let 653 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 3: me make sure that I drink eight glasses of water. 654 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 2: So she needed more water. 655 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 3: She needed more water. 656 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 2: I just wasn't. This is interesting because I remember I 657 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 2: was telling you before this podcast, I've had COVID and 658 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 2: I've just I have not really bounced back, and so 659 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to try this one tonight. 660 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, or even with what is one thing I can 661 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 3: do to recover or heal from COVID? Okay, and then 662 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 3: internally something will know? Yeah, the old Greek tradition of Esclapists, 663 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 3: which was a thousand year tradition, people would go to 664 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 3: the temple of Esclapists with medical problems because they didn't know, 665 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 3: and somehow you will get something that will help you 666 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 3: to heal. 667 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 2: Right, my body knows. I just maybe am somehow not 668 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 2: in touch with that yet. Right, Okay, I'm going to 669 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 2: try this tonight. I'll report back to you. The book 670 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 2: is called Dream Guidance, Connecting to the Soul through Dream Incubation, 671 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 2: And actually in the back of the book you give 672 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 2: people some questions to ask if they're getting stuck on 673 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: you know how. I kind of was like, oh, this 674 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 2: is overwhelming. What do I ask? And so you break 675 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 2: down like questions to ask in love and relationships, your 676 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 2: life path, personal growth, health finances, spiritual explorations. So if 677 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 2: you guys are listening and you're like I wouldn't even 678 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 2: know where to start, get the book. It's a really 679 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 2: good place to start. And it kind of just breaks 680 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 2: down your journey and how you came into this work 681 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 2: with dreams. So I highly recommend. I am fascinated with dreams, 682 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 2: and like I said, I've been a little scared of 683 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 2: my dreams sometimes, but I'm going to try to, you know, 684 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 2: accept that and know that my inner knowing wants to 685 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 2: tell me some stuff. 686 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that the inner knowing is really interested in 687 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,479 Speaker 3: helping and educating, right, and that it wants to help 688 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,760 Speaker 3: you live fulfilling life. 689 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always true. I say. There's you know, these 690 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 2: painful things that come up. But again it is the 691 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 2: stuff that's like if I stay here, my higher purpose 692 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 2: or my higher self cannot thrive. Like it's something that 693 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 2: needs to leave my life usually, and so it is 694 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 2: trying to help me, I think, but it's sometimes just 695 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 2: like damn it, you know, why isn't that different? That's 696 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 2: just life though? 697 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, nobody likes their own wounds, and but by 698 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,720 Speaker 3: ignoring the wounds, we, as you mentioned, we remain stuck 699 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 3: in those pockets. And the psyche, just like your body 700 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 3: will heal itself, the psyche will heal itself if we 701 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 3: engage with it, so we don't even have to figure 702 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 3: it out. It's just like the cut on your arm. 703 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 3: You need to clean it. You don't have to figure 704 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 3: out how your skin regrows in a great way. The 705 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 3: same with internal bounds. Engage with it, clean it, and 706 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 3: then the soul will will recreate it in a way 707 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 3: that it doesn't hurt so much anymore. 708 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 4: Who doesn't want that exactly? 709 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you so much, you guys, go 710 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 2: check out this book. I'm going to put all the 711 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 2: description I'm gonna sorry, I'm gonna put the link to 712 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 2: this book in the description of this podcast. Is there 713 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 2: somewhere else that people can find you if they want 714 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 2: to follow along on your journey? 715 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 3: Yes, they can. I often say, just type in dream guidance, 716 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 3: then probably my name in the book will come up. 717 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,280 Speaker 3: You will find my website because my website is my name. 718 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 3: It's a little difficult. Dot com M A C H 719 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 3: I L K L E r k dot com. Maybe 720 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 3: it's in the notes, or go to your platform j 721 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 3: U n G platform. So a company I started based 722 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 3: in a dream out of a dream, and there was 723 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,760 Speaker 3: a vocational dream that I've now been working on for years. 724 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 3: And there we provide great programs on shadow work and 725 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 3: synchronicity and dream work and all kinds of spiritual psychological 726 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 3: programs for beginners and intermediate spiritual explorers in the world. 727 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 2: Amazing. I will put all of this in the description 728 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,879 Speaker 2: of the podcast so you guys can easily find it, 729 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 2: but go check it out and mckaale no Machiel got it. 730 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 2: I knew I was going to get there. Thank you 731 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 2: so much for just helping us decipher our dreams. I'm 732 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 2: so excited to try this tonight and really dive into 733 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 2: this kind of work. 734 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 3: Thank you, Kelly, it was a pleasure to be with you. 735 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 2: Thank you guys for listening. 736 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, 737 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little velvet in a 738 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: little edge. Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty, 739 00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcasts.