WEBVTT - How Daylight Saving Time Works 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.520 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:13.600 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.239 There's Charles Tufy, Chuck Bryant. He's on his iPhone. Chuck, 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.439 I don't know, uh that makes this stuff you should know? 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:28.319 Huh the fully attentive podcast. You're saying, Yeah, I can't 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.479 really say anything. You always say stuff and then I 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.440 repeat it like thirty seconds later and then get a 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.960 look of death from Chuck. We'd like to cover our 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:41.040 basis twice. Sometimes it's important stuff like you know, um, 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:47.000 the digestion. That's right, good thing which comes out next? Right? 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:53.360 All right? Introman, Oh, I'm sorry? Am I am I stalling? Yeah? Okay, frankly, Chuck, 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:58.920 have you ever heard of a methuselah? Trust? No, but 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.200 of something being old? Uh, well you're not old. Instead, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:09.399 a say, a bequeathment grant that you've put in a 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:16.120 an account earning compound interest for five hundred or a 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:21.759 thousand or a hundred years, should conceivably, were it's still legal, 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:26.560 grow into a staggering amount of money, very like, very quickly. 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:31.319 For example, Um, there was a guy who you might 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:35.960 have heard of named Ben Franklin Benny Ben Franklin Uh 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.440 in his will left a thousand pounds each to the 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.240 city of Boston in the city of Philadelphia, both of 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:47.480 which he considered his hometowns UM and these these monies 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:51.720 were meant to stay in a private trust that earned 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:57.240 compound interests, and by Franklin's reckoning, um within so after 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:02.000 a hundred years in eighteen nine that it was supposed 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:03.680 to be cracked open, a bit was supposed to be 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:05.280 taken out, and then the rest was supposed to be 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.959 left in until nine years after his death. So by 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.960 his reckoning it would each city would get about the 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:18.600 equivalence six million dollars apiece UH by nine, which is 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.720 when it was supposed to and and finally mature. UM. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.919 It didn't quite work out. Franklin's calculations didn't take into 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.840 account lawsuits to stop this, to stop the idea of 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:34.760 him enthuselah trust in general, UM, trustees, fees, lawyers, fees, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.400 all this stuff. So what it came down to was 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.280 about three and a half million each. So he's off 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.760 the market a little bit. But he made his point, 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.240 which was, if you put a grand in and you 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:47.160 have enough foresight, you can give some money to the 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.680 city of Boston. Did that really happen? Yeah, they got there, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.560 They got their three and a half mill Yeah each 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:56.560 townded Um. What this demonstrate is probably more than anything, though, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.160 is that Franklin was, above all else, an idea man. Right. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.440 He was pretty good. I mean, he invented spectacles. He 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.400 had like some really good uh some good inventions under 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.440 his belt, the electric kite. But more than anything else, 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.360 he was all about ideas. And he was more aware 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.000 than anybody that his ideas weren't always he didn't see 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.040 him through to fruition all the time. Not not all 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.840 ideas were meant to be. But another good example of 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:27.519 that is his idea for daylight savings time. He was 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.040 the guy that came up with this saving daylight saving time. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.320 I think most people say savings, but it is in 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.480 fact saving. But we're gonna mess up and say savings. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:42.800 So yeah, just prepare for that, s people. Franklin was 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.800 an ambassador to France, which is a pretty crushed job 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.640 back then. I'm sure the Enlightenment. Come on, it's his 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:55.559 job now. Um. Woke up one morning all this uh 0:03:55.880 --> 0:04:01.040 fellow Parisians were sleeping and he said, hey, we should 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.440 change the time and get these people up earlier. Did 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.520 he talk like he was from Jersey. He basically proposed 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:12.000 it in an article, but it's generally dismissed his satire. 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.040 But it wasn't a real idea, right. His whole idea 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.760 was to um that basically everybody was like sleeping in 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.000 light while it was still daylight and then staying up 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.719 late long after sunset. It was a waste of daylight. 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.080 A great way to fix this is to say, let's 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.840 get everybody up at the crack of dawn, and we'll 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.000 do that by shooting off cannons that wake everybody up. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.880 It was sort of a jab at the French, a 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.359 friendly jab. Well, he was a friend of the French, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:43.440 but like I said, generally dismissed his satire. Not really 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.479 like the seed of the idea for daylight saving. No. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.600 But other people about a hundred or so years later 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.400 came up with similar things and they meant it. And 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.360 it's I don't know if we can say that Franklin 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.880 didn't mean it, but he was just he He didn't 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.839 think it was a very important idea necessary, but it's 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.440 so ingrained in our society here in the United States, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.560 here in North America, and most likely if you're listening 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.600 to this in Europe or Australia. You know what we're 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.040 talking about all over the world. Really, um that it 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.280 You're you're kind of like, oh yeah, daylight savings. I mean, 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.719 it's peculiar, but of course we're gonna do it. Of 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.560 course it makes sense. Um, these this is from people 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.520 who really can't even tell you whether it's spring forward 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.360 or fall back. So let's let's set that straight right now, 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.440 because I think if we just stopped there and said 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.359 it is spring forward where you said the clock forward 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.800 an hour, and it's fall back where you said the 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.520 clock back an hour, we've just done a tremendous public service. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.240 People really not remember that. I'm among them. Really, yeah, 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.120 I will always remember it now because I've studied this article. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.440 But no, I always had trouble with it. Well, that's 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.160 why they say spring forward, fall back. You can also 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.680 fall forward and spring back. You can't spring back. I 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:06.960 can't hold on, Josh, Josh, just sprung back, sprung back. 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.280 All right, Well, here's the other public service announcement here 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:14.279 in the US. Second Sunday in March. You're gonna spring 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.160 forward the first Sunday in November, you're gonna fall back. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.440 I didn't know that, because every year I'm on the 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.039 internet's going, well, when do we do this? When do 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.960 we do it? I didn't. I thought it fluctuated. Second 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.719 Sunday in March, first Sunday in November. Boom. Yeah, I 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:33.000 thought it fluctuated as well too. It's yeah, um, it's 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.920 standard now thanks to a lot of UM legislation that's 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.479 taken place over the over the years here in the 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:44.520 United States. UM. Most recently, the Energy Policy Act of 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.480 two thousand five set the rules as you just described them. Right. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.680 We should also say, chuck to our friends in South America, 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.080 you have the opposite. We're not exactly sure when it 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.240 starts for you, but we can tell you that you 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:04.880 do spring forward and fall back. No, fall forward and 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.560 spring back, because it's the the seasons are the opposite. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:13.840 So they go on to daylight savings time in the 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.600 fall and then change it. They go off of it 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:22.360 in the spring. And also one more thing, uh, daylight 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:27.960 saving time, right is not? I find it confusing in 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.800 that the mind wants to say it's it's like daylight 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:37.440 time saving it's like daylight saving time, right, like your 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:43.120 time saving but really it's daylight saving time, so it's 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.520 like a period of the year. So I've always had 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.480 trouble wrapping my mind around how they're just saving daylight. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.240 Everything about this is so confounding. I know, because I'm 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.640 one of those people that's like what the clock says 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:00.920 is arbitrary in a way. Unless you have a shift job, Um, 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.520 you would have made a great farmer. Yeah. That's kind 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:05.760 of bunk too from what I hear. Okay, so let's 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.840 talk about this, man Um. You just gave the deets 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.480 on when to do it. Um. In the United States, 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.120 it's the Energy Policy Act of two thousand five that 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:21.560 establishes that. But if you are Arizona or Hawaii or 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.440 Guam and you say, I don't want this to apply 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:29.000 to me already feel cut off enough from this country, Um, 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.920 from the rest of the world. I'm going to apply 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.760 for an exemption. You're probably gonna get it. Yeah. Indiana 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:42.360 has had a mixed history with daylight saving Uh. They've 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.760 kind of fluctuated back and forth over the years, and 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.760 at times only some counties had it and some didn't, 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:54.200 And they finally went all in I think so recently. Yeah, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.920 if you're an Indiana, you know what I'm talking about. Um, 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.760 And it's not just the United States. Apparently, as a 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.640 two thousand and eight, seventy six countries observed daylight savings time. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.640 They also seventy, but I don't know which sources newer, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.760 so we'll go with seventy to seventy six. Just after 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:17.040 reading this, I could see six countries falling. Yeah, I 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:20.680 mean it's a very it's a surprisingly contentious thing setting 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.560 the clock back an hour basically. I saw one source 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.559 that calls it the arrogance of humanity to to set 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:31.400 time period. Yeah, well no, to adjust the clock. It's 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.880 like it is now two and not one, right exactly, 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:35.720 And it is a little bit loony if you think 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.640 about it. Um. I think Japan, India, and China are 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:43.920 the only major industrialized nations who do not observe. And 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.959 it's getting more and more difficult to to um be 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:54.680 a country like that in this globalized world to not 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.880 daylight savings something. I mean, it's kind of problematic. Sure, yeah, 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.520 imagine the that's why most countries do it now, well 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.800 not most, but a lot. So Europe has long observed 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:10.880 what's called summertime. Um. But it wasn't until that the 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.480 EU said hey, let's all just stop this patchwork thing. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:20.800 Here's the standards now, um and it's uh. The European 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:25.319 Union says it runs from daylight saving time, the time 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.840 of daylight saving summertime. Yeah, it's the last Sunday in 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:33.280 March to the last Sunday in October. That's the the EU. Yeah, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:11:04.360 good for them. No. Um. We you mentioned earlier that 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.480 another couple of guys that proposed this. Um. One of 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:13.400 them was a New Zealander named George Vernon Hudson, and 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:18.160 he was actually the first dude to genuinely propose this, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.240 and he gets overlooked a lot of time by the 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:26.360 other guy we'll talk about. But Hudson was an entomologist 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.200 and astronomer and he had a shift job that allowed 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.280 him I guess he worked at night because allowed him 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.600 extra daylight hours that his friends weren't getting. He go 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.280 out and hunt for bugs and he was like this 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.839 is great. He's like, we ought to really try and 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:45.200 do this. But William Willett of England is the guy 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.360 that a lot of people credit with it, and I 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.520 think it's because it was kind of his passion in life, 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.680 Like he really really tried to get this push through. Yeah, 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.320 he was an avid golfer. And his whole premise for 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.520 it was that it would extend time for leisure after work, 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.280 after everybody got done working for the day, they're still 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.280 daylight hours. The links um. And he wrote a pamphlet 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.480 that's online. It's called The Waste of Daylight. It's online 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.760 and its entirety if you search that um. And he 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:18.200 lobbied the House of Commons to institute this, and in 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.480 nineteen o eight they officially said nah. But he kept 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.720 lobbying him until his death. And I think the twenties 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.280 died in nineteen fifteen actually, so he did not get 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:32.000 to see it because a year later, insultingly enough, a 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.080 year later it was it was brought on in England 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.040 thanks to a little something called World War One. Yeah, 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.000 and actually it was Germany that was the first country 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.880 to ever institute daylight savings time. Yeah. They called it 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:48.760 wartime though, Yeah, so did FDR later on. Yeah. Um, 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.880 but the Germans, the Germans started it. The English quickly 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.680 saw the value and it and they started it. And 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:59.000 it was all the preserved coal supplies during the war, um, 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.720 because if you or were up earlier, you'd be tired 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.360 earlier and you wouldn't stay up as late earning precious 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.360 coal needed to pound the Kaiser into oblivion. That's right. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:12.760 And uh, a lot of a lot of nations got 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.760 on board because of World War One, thirty one in total, 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:20.120 including the US, and then World War Two. Well after 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.160 the war, I think most of these countries got rid 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.760 of it. It was just for war. And then World 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.440 War two came around, the same thing happened, but in 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.160 more abundance. Fifty two nations this time. Right in the 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.760 US actually kept daylight savings year round for three full 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:43.000 years uninterrupted, from what is it February September. And apparently 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:47.080 FDR he called it wartime too. He had no problem 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.320 with it. He was just going to leave it like 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:55.320 that indefinitely. Um. And he finally acquiesced to farmers, which, um, 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.520 if you know much about farmers at that era, they 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:04.880 were really a active at striking, overturning like um scab trucks, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:09.760 and like dealing with communists and like being pro communist um. 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.840 And they were a force to be reckoned with. They 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.360 called it God's time did they really. Yeah, we'll talk 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.400 more about the farmers in a minute. UM. Go on. Uh, well, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.680 we we had it for three years solid, like you said, 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.360 and then after the war they said, you know what, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.600 you don't have to do it, but it's up to 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.480 your state if you want to keep doing this or not. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:33.680 Some did, some didn't. So that's the history. Actually, no, 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.680 it keeps going in nineteen sixty six. History does keep going, 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.960 doesn't it. So the states are it's all patchwork and 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.320 everybody's just kind of doing what however they want. But 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.280 we have this thing called the Interstate system that comes about, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.560 which links states more and more and there's more trade, 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.040 and really people need to know what time it is 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.240 in another state that they're sending stuff to UM. So 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.760 the Uniform Time Act of nineteen sixty six finally said 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:01.840 you guys can decide whether you want to do it, 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.280 but if you're gonna do it, you have to do 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.680 it along these guidelines. UM. And it stayed that way 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:13.320 uninterrupted until except for the arab Um oil embargo, where 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.040 the US said, you know, we're gonna extend the daylight 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:21.400 savings to UM through winter as well. Yeah, I went 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.440 from six months to eight months uh in nineteen seventy 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:30.400 three because they found that doing so saved the equivalent 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:34.120 of ten thousand barrels of oil a day in six 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.280 hundred thousand in those two years. So that's what they 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:44.760 said it is Is it true? Who knows about that? 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.600 Definitely up for debate. Whether it's say, ten thousand barrels 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:51.320 of oil a day, I'm sure it's for debate. The 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.880 weird thing about daylight savings is it's largely been intuitive 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.720 for decades. It was practiced for decades before anybody finally 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.600 put it to the test. Well, the whole point behind 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:07.240 it is this chuck that there are more people asleep 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.640 at sunrise and more businesses are closed at sunrise than 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:15.520 at sunset. So if you look at electrical demand right um, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.760 as a whole over the course of a single day, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.320 you're gonna see in the afternoon, in the evening it 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.480 starts to peak if you take an hour. If you 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.640 take the whole day and shift it backward by an hour, 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.240 people are gonna get up earlier, and it's going to 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.320 spread that electrical demand over the day. They're also gonna 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.560 go to bed earlier, so they're gonna use lamps less 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.680 they're gonna stay up less late to watch TV. UM, 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.080 so the overall demand should decrease to And this is 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.280 the whole reason that daylight savings time has always been 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.440 UM kind of championed by most people. That's the whole 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.880 reason that they want you to think, Well, that's part 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.120 of it. The other is to get people outside more. Yeah. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.160 I mean I read up on this and what I 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.520 found out was that it really comes down to money. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.760 They want you to to spend the money more. Yeah, and 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.600 that is going to happen more if you're out and 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:09.960 about chopping or playing golf, exactly like the golf lobby 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.159 in eighty six, the last time before two five, then 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.639 anybody tinker with it, Reagan said in Public Law and 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.119 ninety nine he started at the first Sunday in April, 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.960 which was where before in nineteen sixty six it was 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.600 from the last Sunday in April, so a full month 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.680 he added to daylight savings time. Um. But the golf 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:34.720 Lobby said that an extra month or an extra hour. 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.160 I think an extra month was like four million dollars 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.280 to just that industry alone. I don't know seither. Yeah, 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:46.120 money talks, uh. And the reason I say that that's 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.359 the main reason is because they've done studies and in fact, 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.479 in seventy three when they did the oil embargo, they 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:57.160 didn't just study oil barrels, they studied utilities and they 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.639 found that it's a pretty negligible difference about one percent 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.040 energy savings. But that's for the whole country. That's a lot. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:10.119 That is a substantial amount of that's a lot. See 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.040 I read it's negligible. So say so, say it is 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.280 one percent, Say it is negligible, but say that it's 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.359 zero percent. If you don't do anything, you automatically have said, 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.919 well there's a there's a savings and energy, especially in 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:29.560 this eco conscious society that we're growing into. Um, that's 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.440 it right there, Okay, daylight saving time, do it. You 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.040 will save one percent of all the energy expended. Fine, 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.200 do it. It's better than not right. What else could 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.439 possibly go wrong? And I was very surprised from this 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:46.880 article to find that there's actually counter arguments todaylight saving time. Well, yeah, 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.480 because they basically I think people have challenge the studies. 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.640 That's what I've seen. In two thousand one, they did 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.479 another study the California did where they actually doubled it 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.480 to a two hour shift and in the end they 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:04.560 found it, uh, electricity savings of about point oh three 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:09.679 for the year, right, which is substantially less, But you 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.560 can also say it's still better than nothing. Why not 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.560 just do it. There's also other arguments to things like, um, 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:21.359 there's fewer traffic accidents in the evenings because it's lighter out, 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.200 that's what they say on the evening commute. Um, crime 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:28.160 is decreased because criminals preferred darkness. And if you're out 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.680 taking a walk after work and it's light out still, 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:34.160 you're probably not going to get mugged. Um. And then 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.120 of course the golf industry said everybody needs to get 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.679 off their rears and get outside and play more golf, 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.840 golf fever catch it, and um, they are big on 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:45.960 that as well. Well, I got most of my info 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:51.199 you should know from that Skeptward guy. Let's hear it, Dunning, Well, no, 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.920 that's what he said. He said, basically, it's all about money. 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:55.560 He said, don't be foolded into thinking this is some 0:19:55.680 --> 0:20:00.000 energy plan. And he said that the numbers are suspect. 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.160 And then it really comes down to spending money as 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.720 a as a consumer. I'm sure it does. But the other. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.639 The other aspect of it, the you know who's the 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.800 biggest against it now these days? They used to be farmers. Well, 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.639 he said, that's bunked too. He bunks everything though. So 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.760 here's the thing farmers. From what I understand it used 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.160 to be farmers. And I've seen this elsewhere that farmers 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.720 had a problem with it because daylight savings added a 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.359 day and an hour under their day. They had to 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.480 get up with the with the at the crack of dawn, 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.359 no matter what time it was. So if it was 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.960 actually if they had an extra hour, they had to 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:36.800 extend their business hours because they had to deal with 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.400 the public who was running on an hour later time. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.439 So farmers hated daylight savings and they railed against it. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.679 That's my understanding with modern technology that that where a 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.280 lot of the farm processes are automated, they don't have 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:53.119 to worry about the the sun time or God's time 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:58.000 as much. They're not as opposed to it. The problem 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:02.840 is with airlines now when they're flying to places that 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.440 don't have daylight savings, they apparently have a lot more 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.120 trouble getting a slot at an airport when the time 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.280 doesn't quite match up because the airport's like, we're not 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.439 going to the trouble of figuring this out. Go lobby 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:18.400 your government to stop screwing with time. So apparently that's 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:23.160 the big industry that's opposed daylight savings right now. Interesting. Yeah, um, 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.639 like I said, though, he's that's his job. He's the 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.080 skeptalid debunking. He said. The farmer thing is he thinks 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.000 is somewhat of a myth because he can't find any 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:36.240 He said, all the sources are the exact same and 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.000 he can't find any like origin source that he thinks 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.800 is valid. That's a that's pretty good evidence that something 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.640 is a myth. But he's trying to prove a negative. 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:59.919 He should be opposed to that. Maybe he is. Huh 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:20.960 m hm uh. There was a new study though, um 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.600 recently by a guy named Matthew Coaching. He's an economist 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:29.400 at cal Goberts and um, you know, I said, Indiana 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:30.960 has kind of been back and forth over the years, 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.280 with like half the state doing it. When they finally 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:36.760 went all in and oh six, he said, hey, it's 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.320 a great opportunity to check this out and study it. 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.240 And he found that it led to a one percent rise. 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:49.119 He figured that lamp usage went down overall across the 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:53.040 daylight savings, but that there was a peak in energy 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.760 demand that was an increase over when you don't observe 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.600 daylight savings in the fall when it was cold in 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:02.720 Indiana in the form of heating, like people had their 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:06.000 heat went up because they weren't under the blankets as 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.000 early right as when they when they just observe standard 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:12.720 time year round. And that actually cost nine million dollars 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.520 for the state. Well, I think that's part of dunning 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.159 thing too, is these studies that were done in the seventies, 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.880 they didn't have you know, computers and iPods and Blu 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:25.760 ray players, and we have way more things besides lamps 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:29.679 these days to take into account, and air conditioners and 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.200 things like that. So he's saying it's kind of an 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.120 outdated there are no lamps in the seventies and outdated 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.240 model the U and daylight savings. Chuck also kind of 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.120 strikes me as like a really good example of for 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:45.000 every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction, So like 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:50.280 there's fewer fender benders during the evening commute, But apparently 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:52.880 parents are also like parents groups are also a post 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:58.840 daylight savings in part because kids accidents involving kids waiting 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:03.000 for the bus in the dark or mornings increase, and 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.000 then crime goes down during the summer, but then it 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:09.840 increases in the fall. Now there's no there's no figures 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:13.400 to support that necessarily. But there's also the only study 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:18.919 ever conducted about how daylight savings creates a decrease in 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:22.320 crime was a single study of the District District of 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:26.040 Columbia in the seventies that found a ten percent reduction, 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:30.320 but no one's ever backed it up. Yeah, well, and 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.879 think about it too. Carrex are good for industries like 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:38.679 tow trucks and mechanics, the toe truck lobby, auto industry 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.560 that wants to sell you a new bumper. I don't know, 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:45.520 but it does everything. You're right, Everything hasn't an opposite reaction. 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:51.160 And also apparently chronobiologically, it can be very problematic for us. 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:54.880 So says was he German? Yeah, I didn't see his name. 0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:58.879 He's just referred to as a German chronobiology. I couldn't 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:02.159 find him or her. Yeah, that's true. He or she 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:07.359 says that your body never even adjusts period to the 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.240 circadian rhythm and so you're just out of whack for 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:12.520 eight months out of the year, or I guess it 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.640 depends on which one he thinks is right. So yeah, 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:19.119