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Speaker 2: majority of these people taking or in these studies, and

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Speaker 2: then from there, when you look at the trend chart

438
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Speaker 2: after a year at plateaus, so say that they lost

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Speaker 2: fifteen percent of their body weight whoever is on the trial, right,

440
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Speaker 2: and then once they got to that year mark, even

441
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Speaker 2: for the two year long come, their weight stayed the same.

442
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Speaker 2: So I always tell clients if they walk into my

443
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Speaker 2: office and they start asking about it or they're wanting

444
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Speaker 2: to get on it, I always just provide the education.

445
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Speaker 2: This is what we know per the research, And I

446
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: always tell them, hey, per research, weight loss is about

447
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: fifteen percent, right, so that should be all that's it's expected,

448
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: all that's expected, yes, and then essentially such after that.

449
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Speaker 1: Okay, So the things that I just heard from that

450
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Speaker 1: is seventy percent of if people have gi issues from

451
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Speaker 1: taking this drug. That seems high to me. Is that high? Okay? Yeah,

452
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Speaker 1: it seems very high. Then what I heard is the

453
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Speaker 1: average is fifteen percent of your body weights. That's how

454
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Speaker 1: much weight I'm going to lose. And that stops after

455
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Speaker 1: one year. And then what happens after two years?

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Speaker 2: So after one and a half year, per the study,

457
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Speaker 2: they said that they would either if they stopped taking it.

458
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Speaker 2: Those that stopped taking it regained started to regain the

459
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Speaker 2: weight back, and those that kept taking it kept off

460
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Speaker 2: of the fifteen percent, but didn't go much deeper. There

461
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: were a few that that slid down more, but essentially

462
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Speaker 2: that was the average.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that gives us information about how much people

464
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Speaker 1: can actually expect to lose on this drug. And what

465
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing that's even more glaring is if you do

466
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Speaker 1: not continue to take this drug, you will more likely

467
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Speaker 1: than not gain the weight back, possibly more. This sounds

468
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: exactly like what we know about diets, which is again,

469
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Speaker 1: this is just another way for people to restrict. This

470
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: is an easier way for people to restrict. However, this

471
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Speaker 1: is a prescribed, duh, prescribed way to restrict, So we

472
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Speaker 1: are prescribing people disordered eating and eating disorders at this point.

473
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Speaker 1: That's what it sounds like to me from my perspective,

474
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Speaker 1: and that again is very scary for the reasons that

475
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Speaker 1: I named already. So if you are not on this

476
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Speaker 1: drug for the rest of your life, you will gain

477
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Speaker 1: that weight back, if not more. So this is a

478
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Speaker 1: short term solution or long term I have to take

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Speaker 1: this drug.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this is what we know, right, So the

481
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Speaker 2: study is nearly two years. They could come out with studies,

482
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Speaker 2: you know, six years, ten years down the road, but

483
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Speaker 2: again who knows. I mean a good example from like

484
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Speaker 2: the whole thing with finnermin right, finfinn right. We remember

485
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: that where it came out and it was like, oh,

486
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: it's this weight loss drug. People started taking it, they

487
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: lost weight, and it took about ten years for that

488
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,719
Speaker 2: drug to be on the market. For all of a sudden,

489
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: people started dying of cardiac arrest or had heart conditions,

490
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: you know, you name it, and then they had to

491
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Speaker 2: take it off of the market.

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Speaker 1: Which poses this other question. That's a huge risk, right,

493
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Speaker 1: So that drug was killing people. It's not on the

494
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Speaker 1: market anymore so much it was so dangerous. So this

495
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Speaker 1: is a huge risk. This is the part that I

496
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: want people to hear very loudly that there is such

497
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: limited information on this that I want people to know

498
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: and be aware. You can take that risk if that

499
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Speaker 1: feels worth it to you, Okay, process that with somebody

500
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: and take that risk. But this is a huge risk

501
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Speaker 1: because who's to say that we're not going to have

502
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Speaker 1: a similar story in ten years. It might not be

503
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Speaker 1: cardiac arrest, but we don't know.

504
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Speaker 2: Well and because of it, so not to necessarily cut

505
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Speaker 2: you off. So what ended up happening. Is FDA approve this,

506
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: but because in studies with rats. Now I will preface

507
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: and say we humans are not rats. But just with

508
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: the studies with rats, there was a lot of thyroid

509
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: issues and thyroid cancer that showed up, and so the

510
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: FDA because of that put a black box warning on

511
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 2: these medications because of that, and I didn't know that, Yes,

512
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: so there's a black box warning on these medications. And

513
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: to just go back to the fin Fin example, there

514
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: was no black box warning fin Fin. So black box

515
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: warning is essentially the biggest warning to put on medications

516
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: of like a oh, by the way.

517
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Speaker 1: This is really dangerous. So that's their way of skirting

518
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: around that issue. It's like, well, now we're warning you

519
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: that it's at least we're warning you that it's that

520
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: could be very dangerous. See, and I will say, depending

521
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: on how a doctor is prescribing this or talking about

522
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: this with you, or what you've learned about it, that

523
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: warning might not be that important to you. Because of

524
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Speaker 1: my fear is that people are saying you you are

525
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: diagnosed with obesity and you're going to die if you

526
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Speaker 1: don't take this drug, when that might necessarily not be true.

527
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Speaker 1: That might be a fear that I'm making up just

528
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: because I'm scared of these things. But the other thing

529
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Speaker 1: that I'm I'm wondering is what about the people that

530
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: are just getting prescribed this drug or taking it. I

531
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Speaker 1: assume there's a way to get this drug without the

532
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: diagnosis of in quotes obesity and just paying out of

533
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: pocket for this.

534
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Speaker 2: Yes, I do remember reading that in the US, the

535
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Speaker 2: average cost is about thirteen hundred a month for these medications.

536
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Speaker 2: And I didn't go to say this. So with some

537
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 2: of glue tides or the trazapatie, what it is is

538
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: essentially it's a once a week shot and that you

539
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: have to take. And so people will go in and

540
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: they'll pay for it monthly, they'll pay for it weekly,

541
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Speaker 2: they'll pay for it per shot, just kind of depending,

542
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Speaker 2: and that's about thirteen hundred a month for these out

543
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: of pocket. A lot of places called compound pharmacies will

544
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: do these where essentially they're putting in, you know, extra

545
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: things like electrolytes or something like that that you know,

546
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: you can get these off market or off brand or.

547
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: And that's not FDA approved. The compound drugs aren't correct. Okay,

548
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 1: what's also scary. Second side note is the people that

549
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: are just going just to lose weight just for body

550
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: image reasons. It's actually not even because a doctor said

551
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: you have this disease and da da da da. It's

552
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: because diet culture has told us that there's something wrong

553
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: with you and you can fix it. That's really scary

554
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: that we would take this big of a risk, and

555
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: it actually that's the grieving where I feel really sad

556
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: that we're at a place. And again, at twenty years old,

557
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: I would have been there as well, so I get

558
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: it and I understand how we got there. But it

559
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: is a call I think for all of us listening.

560
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: Maybe we aren't struggling with this, but we have friends

561
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: that are, and we're in conversations and we see I

562
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: don't know how many TikTok videos I've seen about ozempic,

563
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: And I mean, I was listening to an episode of

564
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: My Guilty Pleasures Caller Daddy listen to an episode a

565
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: while ago with Chelsea Handler, and she made a joke

566
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Speaker 1: about I guess she got prescribed a zempic and she's like,

567
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't use it, so I just give it out

568
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: to my friends, which I don't even know if that's

569
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if she was joking, but like also

570
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: like that's not funny. And what you're going to give

571
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Speaker 1: somebody a drug that has a black box warning on it.

572
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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

573
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: It is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Like it it's grieving with our clients of just diet culture,

575
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: like the idea that BMI was made for a very

576
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: obscure reason and then we've changed the boundaries of BMI

577
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: and then that's the main thing that insurance looks at,

578
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: you know, whenever we do anything. And so then you're

579
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: prescribed quote unquote obesity overweight and then because of that,

580
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: medical providers were told, oh, that's an issue with health.

581
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: So here's these medications finn finn ozempic will go you know,

582
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: you name it, and we just don't know the implications

583
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: of these. I mean, it's been on the market for

584
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: two plus years and we've got all these you know,

585
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: research articles out, but there's lots of more there's more

586
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: side effects negatively than there are positive and you essentially,

587
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like a diet, you

588
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: have to stay on it long term. Again, no judgment

589
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: for those that want to take it, it's just giving

590
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: people the research. I mean, I've got clients now who

591
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: are on it because that's their decision, but it's coming

592
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: from a place of me educating them and saying, Okay,

593
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: what it's doing is it's just causing you less hunger

594
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: cues or not feeling hunger, But it doesn't mean that

595
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: your body doesn't still need food, which is a lot of.

596
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: Times what I preach.

597
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: So it's like we're I'm I'm educating you to eat

598
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: consistently throughout the day and eat what your body needs.

599
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: But it's literally going against the medication because we've got

600
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: to listen to our body, and our body needs to

601
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: be fed and fueled to function. The majority of our

602
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: hormones are made in our gut, which then triggers to

603
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 2: a brain function. So if we're not feeding our body,

604
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: we're not feeding our brain, we're not feeding our gut.

605
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Speaker 1: Then we can't make those decisions that you're if. It's

606
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: almost like they can't take the information in that you're saying, okay,

607
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: if you let's take this medication but know that you

608
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: still need to eat, well, we can't even use our

609
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: brains fully to comprehend that and remind ourselves that because

610
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: we are functioning at a lower level because we are

611
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: already not eating because of this medication. It's a cycle,

612
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: and then the cycle continues if you do come off

613
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: of this medication. And I've seen this with clients, and

614
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: this is where a lot of my sadness comes from,

615
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: is when they do come off of these medications, they

616
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: in quotes fixed this problem, and then the anxiety and

617
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: the fear and the emotion that is built in, the

618
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: stress that is built around having to maintain that when

619
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: actually that medication works against you. If you don't take it,

620
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: you're not built to be able to maintain that because

621
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Speaker 1: you lost the weight by eating less than you're supposed

622
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 1: to be eating. That is just a recipe for a

623
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Speaker 1: continued struggle with our physical health, our mental health, our

624
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: spiritual health, our relationships. I mean, it is a rest

625
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: for the development of a full fledged eating disorder. Again,

626
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Speaker 1: I know we're saying. I'm saying you get to make

627
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: whatever decision you want. I just want people to know

628
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: the risks and then compare that to the benefit. You

629
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: get to choose if that benefit is worth all those risks,

630
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: because we've all done that in our lives. I've made

631
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: pro con lists for things and been like well, there's

632
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: a lot of shitty things that could happen from this,

633
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: but there's one thing that I think is really cool

634
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: that could happen. So I'm going to take this risk.

635
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: We've all done that. I just want us to actually

636
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: be prepared and aware enough to be able to make

637
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Speaker 1: the lists accurately.

638
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and yeah, and to piggyback that right, your body,

639
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: your body, like it's not mine or Cat's decision to

640
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: understand or to tell you what to do with your

641
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: decisions on your body.

642
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: It's just again the education piece.

643
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: And like like I said, I see it time and

644
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: time again of clients coming in wanting to take it,

645
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: thinking that I'm going to take this medication and I'm

646
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: going to lose fat cells where I want to lose

647
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: fat cells, and it's like that, that's not how this works, right,

648
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: It's more of a it's mimicking a process in your

649
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: body to delay your stomach emptying because it's releasing more insulin,

650
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: and in turn, it's just messing up or interfering with

651
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: other hormones in our body, the like our grellin and

652
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Speaker 2: our leptin which is our hunger and fullness like hormones.

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Speaker 3: And so we're just we're not feeling hunger cues.

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Speaker 2: We're not eating right when in reality, like your body

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Speaker 2: still needs to be fed even if you don't feel

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Speaker 1: Well, I could keep going, but I think we've covered

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Speaker 1: what I what I wanted to cover. Again, if you

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Speaker 1: guys have questions, if anything was unclear to you, you

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Speaker 1: can reach out to us and we can answer one

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Speaker 1: of those questions on a couch talks. I also would

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Speaker 1: highly highly encourage you to reach out to your own providers,

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Speaker 1: whether that is a therapist that you have or if

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Speaker 1: you have a dietician or your own doctor, and ask

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Speaker 1: the questions. Ask all of the questions, because I know

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Speaker 1: that I've been in places where I'm I feel so

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Speaker 1: uneducated that I feel dumb even asking a question. And

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Speaker 1: in the reality, when it's something that you're taking that's

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Speaker 1: going to affect your body, when the rally is anything

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Speaker 1: but especially this, there's no dumb question. And the general

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Speaker 1: population we don't go through the education to understand all

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Speaker 1: of this stuff. And so if we want more clarification

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Speaker 1: on something that's going to affect our health, it is

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Speaker 1: our right and our prerogative to ask those questions. So ask, ask, Ask, ask,

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Speaker 1: ask until you understand, and if you don't understand, that

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Speaker 1: means there's more questions to ask. Love it. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being here. Jamison. Is there any way

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Speaker 1: if people want to get in touch with you, how

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Speaker 1: do you want them to do that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they can also email me as well or

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Speaker 2: email my business. So it's info Atworly Nutritiongroup dot com.

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Speaker 2: We've got a website really Nutrition Group ww dot Worly

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Speaker 2: Nutrition Group dot com and I'm happy to answer any questions. Again,

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Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on drugs, medications, anything like that,

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Speaker 2: but at least to go through the data of what's

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Speaker 2: recently been out and I see it all the time

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Speaker 2: in my office. I'm really glad that you asked me

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Speaker 2: to be here today to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Of course, and if you want to follow along the podcast,

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Speaker 1: you can on Instagram at you Need Therapy Podcasts and

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Speaker 1: I am at Kat dot Defada. Again, questions you can

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Speaker 1: send to Jamison. You can also send a Catherine at

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Speaker 1: Unied Therapy podcast. I will link all of the things

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Speaker 1: that Jamison just said in our show notes and if

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Speaker 1: there's anything that Jamison recommends that's good information, along with

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Speaker 1: articles that might help explain some of this stuff. I

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Speaker 1: can put those in there as well, so you have

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Speaker 1: access to more information that we can trust. That's going

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Speaker 1: to do it for today until Wednesday for couch talks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys have the day you need to

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Speaker 1: have and see you later fight MM