1 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Jack Fox is back. We need him to help us 2 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: go through some statements. Garth Brooks, legendary country singer, has 3 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: been accused of sexual assault, multiple sexual assaults from a 4 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: Jane Doe. He filed some paperwork where he tried to 5 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: keep his name out of it, his name was leaked. 6 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: He has now in turn leaked the name of the victim, 7 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: which we are not going to do. What we are 8 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: going to try to do as gently as possible show 9 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: you just how important statement analysis is in a case 10 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: like this. So Jack Fox, welcome back to Zone seven. 11 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: Hey Cheryl, thanks for having me back. 12 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: Well, I gave you an easy one. Welcome. This is 13 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: something and here's the thing you just said, the most 14 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: important thing off air. Nobody's going to win in this say. 15 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: It's such an interesting set of statements that we've got here. 16 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: I first came across this with goth Brooks statements. He's 17 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: obviously the famous person involved here, and when I read that, 18 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: I went, oh, wow, there's something going on here. What 19 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: is it? You caning? I read his statement out for you. 20 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: He said, for the last two months, I have been 21 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: hassled to no end with threats, lies, and tragic tales 22 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: of what my future would be if I did not 23 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: write a check for many millions of dollars. It has 24 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: been like having a loaded gun waved in my face. 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: Hush money. No matter how much or how little, is 26 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: still hush money in my mind. That means I am 27 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: admitting to behavior. I am incapable of ugly acts no 28 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: human should ever do to another. We felt suit against 29 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: this person nearly a month ago to speak out against 30 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: extortion and deaf of character. We found it anonymously for 31 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: the sake of the families. On both sides, I want 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: to play music tonight. I want to continue our good 33 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 2: deeds going forward. It breaks my heart. These wonderful things 34 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: are in question now. I trust the system. I do 35 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: not fear the true truth. And I am not the 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: man they have painted me to be. And I read 37 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: that and went, oh wow, how many things can I 38 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 2: see in there that interest me? First of all, when 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: he comes straight out the bat, he talks about the 40 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: check that he's been asked to write and everything that 41 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: we're going to look at. In these statements, money is 42 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: very much at the center of it. On both sides. 43 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: He starts off by saying, I've been hassled to no 44 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: end with threats, and then he says it was like 45 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: having a loaded gun waved in my face. Well, if 46 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: you'd had a loaded gun waved in your face, would 47 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: you say you've been hassled or would you say you've 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: been threatened? So that was interesting to me. There very much. 49 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: Garth is a songwriter, isn't he? He writes and talks 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: a lot in metaphus. I think he's got a very 51 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: rich use of language, which we'll see going on here. 52 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: He describes it as hush money. He says, hush money, 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 2: no matter how much or how little, is still hush money. 54 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: But what he's actually describing, if you look at it 55 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 2: was is extortion, is blackmail, But no, it's hush money. 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: And it's very interesting that he's praised it is hush money, 57 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: because that is money to be quiet, to keep someone quiet. 58 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: He doesn't talk about this being extortion at all, and 59 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: if it was extortion, he should have been straight to 60 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 2: the police with this, So as an implicit admission there, 61 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: I believe in his words that he sees this as 62 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: hush money, money to keep someone quiet. He talks about 63 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: the fact that we filed suit. We filed it anonymously 64 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: for the sake of the families on both sides. But 65 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: he says he did it to speak out against extortion 66 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: or defamation of character. Well, you can't speak out against 67 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: extortion if you're filing anonymously, can you. That is not 68 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: speaking out. That is you acting in your own best 69 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: interests as you spoke about. The names of the people 70 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: involved again play a big part in this. And then 71 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: he just goes on at the end to say, I 72 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: want to talk about the good deeds. It breaks my heart, 73 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: So these wonderful things are in question now. So that 74 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: is him doing what's called a rezume statement and trying 75 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: to remind everyone of what a great guy he is. 76 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: And that's what very often people who are in a 77 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: bit of a jam will go, well, look, how could 78 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: I have been the person that did this bad thing? 79 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: Because I do good deeds, I do good things. I'm 80 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: a member of a charity, or I'm an upstanding member 81 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: of the community, or you know, I'm very closely involved 82 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 2: in the church. People quite often do that to talk 83 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: about well, I can't possibly have done something wrong. They 84 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: introduce all the good things they've done, and as you'll 85 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: know from your experience, that does not hang logically together 86 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: at all. All sorts of people that do good things 87 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: are also capable of doing bad things. But it sounds 88 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: very impressive in a statement. You'll notice all the way, 89 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: all the way through that he does not deny one 90 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 2: allegation that is put there directly at all. It's a 91 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: non denial. It's a statement of things as he sees them, 92 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: but not once to see say he didn't do of them. 93 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: He alludes to things like that by saying that this 94 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: is things I am incapable of and things that no 95 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: humans should ever do to another. But he doesn't say 96 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: this human me Garth did not do this to this 97 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: person at all. And so look, this could have been 98 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 2: written by a pr person from him for him. But 99 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: my view is very much, if you release a statement 100 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: in your name, I'm going to analyze the words as 101 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 2: if they came directly from you, because you have felt 102 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: seen fit to put your name against these words. The 103 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: other thing in there is at the very end there 104 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: he once he's talked about filing anonymously, he talks about 105 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: what he wants to do and how that goes in order. 106 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: So it's I want to play music tonight. That's the 107 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: very first thing, the most important thing to him. I 108 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: want to play music tonight. You know, it's not I 109 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: want to clear my name tonight, or I want to 110 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: clear my name right now. I want to play music tonight. 111 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: I want to continue our good deeds going forward. So music, 112 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: good deeds, these are all the things that are really 113 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: important to him. That's what he is bringing up there. 114 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: But when I first saw that, I was like, there's 115 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 2: a lot going on here. And then I dug into 116 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 2: the actual filing that has been in mad in court 117 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: against him. 118 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: Right, and you know that statement about the hush money 119 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: when he says, you know, to me, given money to 120 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: that person would be admitting to that behavior. But he says, 121 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: you know that I would be admitting I am incapable. 122 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: But then he goes on to say, we file the lawsuit, 123 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: we did it anonymously. Yes, he doesn't say who he's 124 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: talking about, but that's a very big shift to me. 125 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: Yes, also, I want to continue our good deeds going 126 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: forward as well. He's got he's joining himself to someone 127 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: there as well, so he does you know, I think 128 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: the biggest one in that is he does say its 129 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: behavior I am incapable of. But before that becomes no 130 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: human should do to another, And that is talking about 131 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: the world in general. That is not talking about himself 132 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: at all. That ugly acts no humans should ever do 133 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: to another. That is not saying I did not do this. 134 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: It sounds impressive, but when you actually look at the 135 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: words that are there, it's not saying I didn't do this. 136 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: And you know, for those of us that do this 137 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: for a living, when there's not an outright denal, you 138 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: flag it. 139 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: Yes, my crazy life. I got accused of shoplifting a 140 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, and I walked away and went 141 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: a statement, analyzed myself. What did I say? And I said, 142 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: I didn't steal anything. I'm walking away, and I gave 143 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: them the very simple denial I didn't steal anything. In 144 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: this statement from Garth Brooks. There is nothing as simple 145 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: and flat and sharp as that whatsoever. I described this 146 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: as a balloon statement, so it looks like something solid, 147 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: but if you look at it, it's really got a 148 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: flimsy exterior and very very little on the interior. 149 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: And you and I have talked about the importance of 150 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: the order of things. Yeah, he did come out and 151 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: make a statement himself on video, So this isn't a 152 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: pr person. He comes on his radio thing and he says, okay, 153 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: let's talk about the elephant in the room. You almost 154 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: think okay, he's fixing to give you a play by play. 155 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: He's the one that says, let's talk about the elephant 156 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: in the room. Yes, and then he basically says, hey, 157 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: if you came here to hear about what's being alleged, 158 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: I can't talk about it. 159 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: That's always very convenient for people, isn't it when they 160 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: say I can't talk about it. Actually, there are no 161 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: laws against talking about it unless there's a gag order imposed. 162 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: So when someone says I can't talk about it, it 163 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: really means I don't want to talk about it. This 164 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: is not an area that I want to go into. 165 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: Well, here's what stuck out for me. The order he 166 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: says that, I quote, I want to play music tonight, 167 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: continue our good days going forward. It breaks my heart. 168 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: These wonderful things are in question now. I trust the system. 169 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: I do not fear the truth, and I am not 170 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: the man they have painted me to be. 171 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that I do not fear the truth 172 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: as an interesting one their cheryl, because that's a statement 173 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: in the negative, So that shows where our focus is, 174 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: even though it's in the negative the subject of the sentence, 175 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: So fearing the truth is where the focus is. It's 176 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: very much like when I said to the person accusing 177 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: me of shoplifting, I did not steal anything. My focus 178 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: was on stealing. It wasn't the fact that I hadn't stolen, 179 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: but you know, my focus was very much on the stealing, 180 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: and I hadn't stolen. And right there where he says 181 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: I do not fear the truth, he says just before that, 182 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: I trust the system. That's a statement in the positive. 183 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: So he does trust the system. He's saying in general. 184 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: He doesn't say he trusts the system to do well 185 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: by him, or he trusts the system that he's in. 186 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: But he does say I trust the system, but I 187 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: do not fear the truth. The truth is this subject 188 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: of that there, and then fearing the truth is to 189 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: take it a little bit wider. So he has a 190 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: focus on fearing the truth. So, you know, I think 191 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: I know why we defile anonymously. There is truth in 192 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: here that he is very very worried about getting out. 193 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: He does actually fear the truth. That's a concept that 194 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: is high in his mind. 195 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: Well, he talked about music first, the good deed second, 196 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: and then trust and then fear. He's mentioning again they 197 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: more than one person. So again, y'all, I want to 198 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: be super clear, we're not saying anything as far as 199 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: guilt or innocence. What we are saying is there's things 200 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: in the statement that give us pause. And if we 201 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: were investigating this case, Jack and I together, we're seeing 202 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: the same thing. This is a problem, This is an issue. 203 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: This needs more exploring. This is what I would concentrate 204 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: on if I were to interview him. 205 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that's a great point, Cheryl, is that 206 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: there's no one magic proof that someone is lying. When 207 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: you look at the statements, there's nothing that makes you go, right, 208 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: I have proved it here, unless maybe they contradict themselves. 209 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: Then you will know that they are lying somewhere along 210 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: the line, but you won't know which of the contradictions 211 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: is true. But what statement analysis can do is just 212 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: inform a root of investigation or a set of questions, 213 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: or give you areas to really zone in on and 214 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: go what's going on here. 215 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: Let's you know, talk about Jane do. Her statement ain't 216 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: perfect either, Okay, And one of the ones. There are 217 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: several that leaked out at me, but one only because 218 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: you and I've already talked about it. She says that 219 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: Garth Brooks appeared in the doorway to the bedroom completely naked, 220 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: making her feel trapped in the room alone. Now for me, 221 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: were you trapped or did you feel trapped? Those are 222 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: two very different things. 223 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: Yes, And a rule of mind as if someone doesn't 224 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: say something, if someone hasn't said the words, then do 225 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: not assume it's true. So when the phrase is there, 226 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: I felt trapped in the room, that's all we know, 227 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: and let's accept that that is true. But the truth 228 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: is I felt trapped, not that I was trapped. If 229 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: she had said I was trapped in the room, I 230 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: would assume that was true and give them the benefit 231 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: of the doubt and say you were trapped in the room. 232 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: But that is only a feeling that was there. Now, 233 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: it's maybe not a feeling that anyone would like to have. 234 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: If you feel trapped in a room that you don't 235 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: want to be, and that is not a nice feeling, 236 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: but it is not the same thing as being trapped 237 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: in a room. 238 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: And to your point, some of this is investigation one 239 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: O one, So if you have somebody say I saw 240 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: the two boys, they left the park and went home. 241 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: If I write in my report the two boys went home, 242 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that. All I know is they left 243 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: the park. I don't know where they went. So you 244 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: need to be real clear. You know, when you're talking about, 245 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: you know, anything that occurred or didn't occur. So again, 246 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: when you're talking about an emotion, that's not an act exactly. 247 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: That emotion is an internal and they're letting their internal 248 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: feelings and internal experiences come out when people talk about 249 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: their emotions, at least when they talk about their emotions honestly. 250 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: And there are other things we can do to decode 251 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: whether these might be the feelings that they actually had, 252 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: or whether these are feelings that they want to convince 253 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: us of. But that is all that's there. It is 254 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: those internal feelings. They tell us a lot. But we 255 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: need to we need to listen to what people are saying. 256 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: Just like you said there about the person, I saw 257 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: him go home, rather than I think he went home 258 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: or he did go home, all very different things. It's 259 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: amazing what you can do by just listening to the 260 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: words and then believing those to be true. No matter 261 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: what they tell you, it just makes you way more 262 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 2: aware of what is being said. 263 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: Agreed. So when you read through the allegations and specifically 264 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: things she's quoted as saying occurred, did anything else leap 265 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: off the page where you said, wait a minute, we 266 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: need to look at this a little more. 267 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, so I read through the full filing. 268 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: And this is a difference between what is in the 269 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: filing and what goth Brooks said. The filing is made 270 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: and written and in the name of her attorneys. It's 271 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: not her words unless they're in quotes. So I'm not 272 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: going to judge everything there because these may be the 273 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: attorneys putting their spin on things. In fact, they are 274 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: because the whole motion reads like bad fiction. I'm not 275 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: saying it is fiction. What I'm saying is this. Stylistically, 276 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: they add words like tragically her worst fears came true 277 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: when seconds later he was towering over her. Now that 278 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: reads like, why is it written in such persuasive terms? 279 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: Why is it not written factually? It's done to win 280 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: someone over, to make someone will take the word tragically. 281 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: And if you don't do what we were talking about 282 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: before and go why is that word there? Why is 283 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: that word being used both tragically is a word used 284 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: to persuade us of how tragic what is to follow is, 285 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: but actually was it tragic? Or is this being written 286 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: in a way to persuade us of it? So I'm 287 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: not going to judge too much on those attorney words there, 288 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: but there are a lot of quotes because I believe 289 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: reading this she has saved some text messages between herself 290 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: and Garth Brooks and also seems to have recorded some 291 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: phone calls between herself and Garth Brooks. Now it's very interesting. 292 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: She does mention in the filing that Garth deleted a 293 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: lot of texts from her phone at one point, so 294 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: maybe that's why she does not have the complete text 295 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: message exchanges. But the phone calls, there's only certain parts 296 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: of them that are quoted, and none of them, not 297 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: one of them to specifically about any of the severe 298 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: criminal incidents that she's alleging. In fact, what they show 299 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: is a two way relationship between the two that involved 300 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: intimacy and closeness, which I thought was very interesting. That 301 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: is not in the headline of the allegations. If you 302 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: liked that, they did seem to have some kind of 303 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: beyond work relationship. The first one that jumped out to 304 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: me was there was a comment from her to Brooks 305 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: where she's complaining that this would read like a sexual 306 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: harassment complaint in the complaint in the workplace, and she says, 307 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: I have thought a lot about the conversation of last Monday. 308 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: I can't work in an environment where explicit sexual comments 309 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: are made about a sham about shampoo bottles doubling as dildos. 310 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: I mean you no harm, and if you truly value 311 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: my work, I am happy to show up tomorrow and 312 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: or whenever you may need my services. And I went, well, 313 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: that's interesting. She talks about the conversation of last Monday. 314 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 2: Now I don't know if that's a conversation they had, 315 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: because she doesn't say our conversation. She says the conversation, 316 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: or if it's a conversation someone else had, but it's 317 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: very much referencing a specific event. And then she says, 318 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 2: I can't work in an environment where explicit sexual comments 319 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: are made about shampoo bottles doubling as dildos. Now, Cheryl, 320 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: I've talked to you twice. This is the second time 321 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: I've talked to you. I'm a little bit embarrassed about 322 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: using that word because we don't know each other well 323 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: enough yet. So that suggests that there was that closeness there. 324 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: There was other ways she could have said that. There 325 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: would have been a little bit more formal, a little 326 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: bit more I can't work in an environment where explicit 327 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: sexual comments are made about shampoo bottles. That would have 328 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 2: covered it all off. And yet she's gone there to 329 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 2: use a word that you would only use generally with 330 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: someone that you're quite familiar with, that you may have 331 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: used that term with before, or the similar concepts with before. 332 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: And then she says, I I'm happy to show up 333 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: for work tomorrow, not I will show up for work 334 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: tomorrow kind of grudgingly, or you know, it's I am 335 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: happy to show up for work tomorrow. So, while this 336 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: is being portrayed in the filing as something that is, 337 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: you know, a horrible situation that she was put in 338 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: in the workplace by Garth Brooks, her words don't belie 339 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 2: a level of real uncomfortableness with this at all. There's 340 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: no ultimatum that this must stop as well. She doesn't 341 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: say she just says, I am uncomfortable working in this environment. 342 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: She doesn't say I will not work in this environment 343 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 2: where this happens. So while this has been presented as 344 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: evidence of some sort of terrible behavior on Garth Brooks' behalf, 345 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: the words show that this was a little bit different 346 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: from that in that statement. 347 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: When you were reading the statement about what occurred, was 348 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: there anything that you read that gave you Paul's to say, 349 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: how did that happen? 350 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a point where where we're talking about 351 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 2: the alleged rape incident, and the statement says having no 352 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: regard for her well being an intent on his own 353 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: sexual gratification at the expense of miss Rose's physical, mental, 354 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: and emotional trauma. At some point during the nightmare, Brooks 355 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: even held her small body upside down by her feet 356 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: and penetrated her. And one of the things that I 357 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: teach people is when you are hearing someone's words, when 358 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: someone is being calm and clear in their delivery, and 359 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: they've got the authentic words to deliver the experience that 360 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: they have experienced, it's very easy for you to get 361 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 2: a picture in your head of what was happening, because 362 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: these are authentic words, and you can picture things in 363 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: your head. And that was one of those things that 364 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: made me go, I can't picture that, what would that entail? 365 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 2: What does that happen? And then further on there, apparently 366 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: he asked her to or forced her to keep her 367 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: glasses on during this. Again, so we've got this really 368 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: strange physical contortion that they seem to be in, and 369 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: then he's forcing her to keep her glasses on at 370 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 2: the same time, and that to me was physically impossible. 371 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: I can't see how in all of that you could 372 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: force someone to keep their glasses on as well. Just 373 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: this feels like overdoing it, you know. It feels like 374 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: way too much information, there, way too many things happening 375 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: at once for it not for it to all hang 376 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: together in my head. I can't say whether it was 377 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: not true or not, because I wasn't there. But when 378 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: I can't picture these things, when the words just don't flow, 379 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: then I find I go, well, wait a minute, what's 380 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: happening there? And I would dig into it just a 381 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: little bit more. 382 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: And that's the thing, And I'm going to say it again. 383 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: We are not saying that either one is lying or 384 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: either one is being deceptive. What we're saying is this 385 00:20:54,119 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: is the hurdle, the problem, the walls that law enforcement 386 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: is going to have to get over, break down, go 387 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: around in order to find out who's telling the truth, 388 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: because the reality is, to our knowledge right now, she 389 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: has not gone to law enforcement. All we know is 390 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: there is a simple action. I mean, is that accurate. 391 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: I am no legal expert, but as far as I know, 392 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 2: it is all civil actions at the moment. 393 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: Yes, I mean we haven't heard anything. He hasn't been 394 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: arrested ever, and I mean they've known each other twenty years. 395 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: So there's some things I think that law enforcement is 396 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: going to have to look at with no bias, and 397 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: that is going to be the most critical piece. You 398 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: got to take the name Garth Brooks out of it, 399 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: right and you've got to look at this as a defendant, 400 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: and at first you know a defendant and a victim, 401 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: and see is there any probable cause? I mean, is 402 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: there any evidence? Is there anything factually that you can 403 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: glean from these statements? 404 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: So far, there is nothing there. One of the ones 405 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 2: that really stood out to me was a message from 406 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: Jane to Thed to Garth Brooks, and it's the nearest 407 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: thing that references an incident of serious sexual assault or rape, 408 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 2: and she says, I want to make sure that even 409 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: though I've told you no, that you're cool with no? 410 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: I mean no, as in no fooling around like we 411 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: had done. You were cool with that? Right now? That 412 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 2: sounds way too breezy in the wording for it to 413 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: be talking about a serious sexual assault. You know, Are 414 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: you cool with no? You know? So? Yeah? Look she 415 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 2: is saying no. Here, she is saying no. She doesn't 416 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: want to continue, but it's continue. What are you cool 417 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: with no? No fooling around? Again? That does not sound 418 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 2: like someone referencing a severe and violent assault. And then 419 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: it's no fooling around And you were talking about pronouns earlier, 420 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 2: no fooling around like we had done. So that we 421 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: is very much about a joint action, about a joint 422 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: action together. If you study couples that are on the 423 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: verge of splitting up or have split up, you will 424 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: see that they very rarely use we pronouns. They talk 425 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: about you and I all the time. They split themselves apart, 426 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: people who have a unity about what we had done. 427 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 2: So I get the impression there's very much been some 428 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: fooling around. A work relationship has turned a little bit 429 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: more intimate here, and that is something that is pretty 430 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 2: much I would say from there, I can't prove anything, 431 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 2: but I would say, yeah, there has been a consensual 432 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: relationship between the pair of them at some point. I 433 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: think she has wanted out of that because he is 434 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 2: holding the power of work over her there. But I 435 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 2: think the one thing that is clear in his statements 436 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 2: that she quotes is that he is using his power 437 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: and I want you to keep working with me. And 438 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: maybe she feels a little bit powerless in that situation. 439 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: But in all this, all the statements that she quotes, 440 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: she talks about what's happened to herself. I get the 441 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 2: impression there was a consensual agreement with between the two 442 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: of them. And you know, bearing in mind that Garth 443 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: Brooks was married and she actually worked for his wife 444 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: at some point, is a very interesting position for the 445 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 2: two of them to have been in. 446 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: What do you think about the statement when she says 447 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: that he basically propositioned a threesome with Tricia Yearworth. 448 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: Oh, well, that is the whole the Tricia Yearward thing, 449 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: And where Tricia comes into this is is very interesting 450 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: because there is a point where that she is upset 451 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: that Garth has told Tricia that she has seen his stuff, 452 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: and stuff is the word they used to describe his 453 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: his naked body, and she is obviously very uncomfortable with that. 454 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: Very interesting because Garth says that he doesn't I think 455 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: I know Tricia pretty well, right, so I think I 456 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 2: know So there you talk about feelings. I think he 457 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 2: doesn't say I know her pretty well. He just kind 458 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 2: of thinks that he does and pretty well. So that's 459 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 2: not entirely and she wasn't uncomfortable. I said, you saw 460 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 2: my stuff, and that was it. We were talking about 461 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: something and it just came up. Now that we were 462 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: talking about something, it just came up. That sounds kind 463 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: of not deceptive to me. That sounds like he's hiding 464 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: something that the hym and Tricia have talked about, and 465 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder what that was. I think I'll 466 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 2: leave it at that one. But it's only I think 467 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: I know Tricia pretty well, So I think that there's 468 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: probably some intimation in there that the relationship with between 469 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: him and Tricia maybe not all it is there. What 470 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: is interesting, she does say it was repeating remarks about 471 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: having a threesome with his wife. Now, I will always say, 472 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 2: pay attention to what people repeat because we're talking about 473 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 2: how to work out someone's priorities. When they order something, 474 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: the first thing they say is likely the most important 475 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: thing to them, and then it goes on down. Things 476 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: people repeat will reveal a lot about what is on 477 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 2: their mind as well. So if these were repeated remarks 478 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: about having a threesome, then that would suggest that, yeah, 479 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 2: that was something that was in his mind if it happened. 480 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: If he did make repeated remarks, and she does not 481 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 2: in her statement it was repeated, it. 482 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: Marked would the three being the liar's number come in 483 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: to play there or now? 484 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it because threesome is 485 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: a concept that yeah, it does involve three people, but 486 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: I think three. And the theory around three being a 487 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: liar's number is that if someone constructs a story the 488 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: number three, the number three is involved in it. That's 489 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: the kind of guy who would say, it wasn't me 490 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 2: that that robbed that bank, but I did see three 491 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: men hanging about outside, you know. I think the theory 492 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: is one one will be too specific and you'll be 493 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: asked questions about that one person. Two. It's kind of 494 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: same when you get to three. Then all of a 495 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: sudden you can start being very vague about the three. 496 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 2: I didn't see all of them. One guy I think 497 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: had brown here, or you know, I tried three times 498 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: to call you. I mean, how many times have you 499 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: heard that, you know, with someone I didn't hear from you. 500 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 2: I tried three times? Did you? Did you? Or is 501 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: that just make it sound like you really tried quite 502 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,239 Speaker 2: hard and then gave up. 503 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: Well, I just wanted to clear that up because you know, 504 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some people that are going to ask 505 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: us because we mentioned the liar's number last time. But 506 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing, and I want everybody to 507 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: understand again, there is a reason that sexual assault is 508 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: the most underreported. The victim is absolutely going to be 509 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: put on trial, no matter how many safeguards, no matter 510 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 1: how many laws, no matter how much protection we tried 511 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: to give them, It's going to happen, and people are 512 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: going to question and then they're going to you know, 513 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: point out anything they can come up with to blame her. 514 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: Like even now, we still occasionally hear somebody say what 515 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: was she wearing? Was she drinking? So, for example, when 516 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: she starts putting out these statements and she's telling you 517 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: things that occurred. People are going to look at that 518 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: and say, okay, wait a minute, he walks out of 519 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: the shower and he's naked, Well, that's obvious. You mean 520 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: to tell me she was there in the bathroom while 521 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: he was in the shower and what did she think 522 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: was going to happen? And then people are going to 523 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: question the hotel room. I mean, number one, does anybody 524 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: believe that Garth Brooks booked a hotel or he had 525 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: somebody do it for him? And you know how often 526 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: is somebody at his level alone. There's always hair and 527 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: makeup and managers and producers and lawyers and all these 528 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: other people around, right, So if he has carved out 529 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: where it's just the two of you on a plane 530 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: and only two of you walk into a hotel, his 531 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: assistant's not there, his manager's not there, the producer of 532 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: whatever this event is not meeting him and is there. 533 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: It's just the two of you. And then you say 534 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: we went into the hotel room and I was shot. 535 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: There was only one bedroom. But then she goes on 536 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: to say he pushed me into the other bedroom. 537 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: So, just to talk in the victims favor over, remind 538 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: you that Garth Brooks does not deny any of the 539 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: allegations in his statement, and there are some things that 540 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: are caughty from Brooks in her statement that do give 541 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: me pause for thought as to what went on here. 542 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: Is he a nice guy? There's a statement, a quote 543 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 2: from him where he says, I would never be upset 544 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: with you. Look at it this way, Okay, look at it. 545 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: The best way I can explain is me and you 546 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 2: broke into a jewelry store and the second we broke 547 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 2: the door, we looked at each other and said, this 548 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: isn't right. Now. That's quite a violent metaphor for what 549 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: the situation he's describing. You know, that could have been 550 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: explained in a much more gentler way. You know, we 551 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 2: started something, babe, that we should not have. We realized 552 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: as soon as we started it it was the wrong thing. 553 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: So we walked away, and that's the right thing to do. 554 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: But he uses quite violent imagery there of breaking into 555 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: a jewelry store and breaking a door, and so that 556 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: made me think, what is this guy really like? It's 557 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: his personality coming out through some of the metaphors that 558 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 2: he is using there. And also I believe he uses 559 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: his status, and his status is not just Garth Brooks 560 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: famous person, but as her employer, you know, let's not 561 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: forget that. And he says to her at one point, 562 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: and this is if you're listening to this and you 563 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: want to tip for uncovering what people say, this is 564 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: a great one for what did someone actually say there. 565 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: So he says to her, I work with the best, 566 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: and I don't want to do something stupid that breaks 567 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: this team up, So I will do whatever I need 568 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: to do, or do whatever I don't need to do. 569 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: But I just want to keep working with you. But 570 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 2: if you feel weird working with me, it's fine. We 571 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 2: don't have to work together. So number one, I can 572 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 2: see he's holding the work and the fact he is 573 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: an employer over her, the fact that her livelihood depends 574 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: on him. But he says I work with the best. 575 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: Not once within all of that does he say she 576 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 2: is one of the best. He doesn't say you are 577 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: the best at your job, and I want you on 578 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: the team, so I will do whatever it takes to 579 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: keep you on my team because you are one of 580 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 2: the best. He does say that I work with the best, 581 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: and I don't want to split that team up. And 582 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: you can go if you want and I was thought, 583 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: that is very interesting. I think he's silvertonged. He seems 584 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: quite charming in some of the things he says. I 585 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: think it can be very easy for someone to hear 586 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: a statement like that and go always calling me one 587 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: of the best. That's very flattering, and I want to 588 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: stay on this team because you really values my work. 589 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: But he doesn't actually say that. We could assume that's 590 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: what he meant. But if he doesn't say the words, 591 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: don't assume, don't give them the benefit of the doubt 592 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: that that is what is in his head. 593 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: Jack, when she flat out says and I quote, he 594 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: thinks laws don't apply to him. I think there's probably 595 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: some basis for that. So again, if you're at his 596 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: level and you're on a tour bus, you know you're 597 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: not going to get a ticket if you're speeding. You know, 598 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,239 Speaker 1: if the hotel says there's no swimming after ten that 599 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: that don't apply to him. You know, there are things 600 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: where maybe laws of speeding or illegally be in part 601 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: or rules at different places, they do not apply to him. 602 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: I am in a previous life, worked very close to 603 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 2: a lot of some of the most famous people over here. 604 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 2: In the UK, and I can attest to the fact 605 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: that these people live alone that we could not imagine 606 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: doors closed. That door will open and let you in. 607 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: And that leads to if you're not a balanced person, 608 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: that does lead to exactly the fact that you don't 609 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: feel like not just the laws don't apply to you, 610 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: but the norms of society, the standards of behavior that 611 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 2: we expect from people don't apply to you either. So 612 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 2: I could really see how someone with you know, the 613 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: level of fame that he has, and the number of 614 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: people as well, so that it will surround him that 615 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: will depend on their livelihoods. For him, I could see 616 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 2: very much how that is true. And again, the laws 617 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: don't apply to him. That's a very he feels like 618 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: the laws don't apply to him. Is a very straightforward statement. 619 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: It's not one that's trying to convince us of anything 620 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: or persuade us that this might be true. It's stated 621 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 2: very straight, very sharp, you know. 622 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. There are hurdles for both sides. 623 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: And this is why, again, this is a very difficult 624 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: crime to investigate. If you don't have a rape kit, 625 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: if you don't have DNA evidence on clothing, if you 626 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: don't have some type of voicemail or video of the hostility, 627 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: the anger, the threats. It gets difficult. So again, she 628 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: may not have any recourse other than CIBIL. She may 629 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: not have enough probable calls for law enforcement. Doesn't mean 630 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: it didn't happen. And if she's having financial difficulty and 631 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: she has known him for twenty years, maybe something happened 632 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 1: and she stayed because she had to. Maybe she doesn't 633 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: have other clientele. Maybe that you know, again, the level 634 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: that he's at, she had to be twenty four to 635 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: seven at his back and call my issue if this 636 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: was our case, Jack, Again, you know it does appear 637 00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: civil not law enforcement. She did stay after several assault. 638 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: He says it's about money. Who you going to believe? 639 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: So you got to start, I think again with these statements. 640 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: If you look at his statement, is their past infidelity? 641 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: Is there possibly infidelity with the victim? And did it 642 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: start that way and then at some point did it 643 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: turn violent? Are we going to see other people come forward? 644 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: Now? 645 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: So far I have not heard of anybody coming forward. 646 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: No past employees, not anybody that met him on tour, 647 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: nobody that came back to his hotel as a fan. 648 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: I have not heard of anything. I have not heard 649 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: of one other woman. But here's the deal. Why did 650 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: she stop working for Tricia yearwould and how did she 651 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: go from working for Tricia to working for Garth Brooks. 652 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: I think those are things that law enforcement and the 653 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: civil suit should at least attempt to answer. 654 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was also taken in by the fact that 655 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 2: no one has come forward. You know, where the Diddy 656 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: story is going on right now, and it's like open 657 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 2: season for people to come forward and say and did 658 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 2: he was active for about about the same time as 659 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 2: Garth Brooks, you know, in terms of fame, and so 660 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 2: many people have come forward to say that they've had 661 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 2: bad experiences in his orbit. So I was taking that 662 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 2: no one else has come forward. But you know you said, 663 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 2: if you and I were investigating the case looking at 664 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 2: the statements, I would say to you, money is at 665 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 2: the root of this. And I'm not saying that's extortion 666 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 2: money or hush money. But what I do when I 667 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 2: look at statements is look at repeated concepts. So what 668 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 2: comes up time and time and time again and across 669 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 2: what Garth Brooks says, and of course what is in 670 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 2: her filings is the concept of money. He talks about 671 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 2: hush money, she talks about the fact that she relied 672 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 2: on him for money, that she was in some financial 673 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 2: deep straits, so money, and also the fact it was 674 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: a working relationship, so work is an exchange of time 675 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: for money. Money is a repeated concept. So I'm not 676 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 2: saying this is not true, and I'm not saying this 677 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 2: I'm true. What I would say was, if we were 678 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 2: looking at this, I'd be like, money is at the 679 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 2: center of this some way, somehow, because it comes up 680 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 2: so often from both sides. 681 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: Agreed, and that's why I started with what I did. 682 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,959 Speaker 1: Why is it civil and not law enforcement? You got 683 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: to ask that question. And again, these are not easy question, y'all. 684 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 1: Jack said earlier he did not even feel comfortable using 685 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: some of the words. I get it, it's not easy. 686 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 1: There are multiple reasons this is the most difficult crime 687 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: to investigate. You are going to have people pick sides immediately. 688 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: Nobody in a murder says what was she wearing? Nobody? Nobody. 689 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 1: Nobody questions well, was she home alone when she got murdered. 690 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: She shouldn't have been alone, She should have had people 691 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: around her. Was she drinking she shouldn't have been drinking. No, 692 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: they accept the murder and it's horrible. It's horrible across 693 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: the board. Friends, family, people at church, co workers, neighbors, everybody. 694 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: Everybody cares when it's sexual assault. It's like they go 695 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: away and they don't want to be a part of it. 696 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: They don't want to pick sides. But I believe, and Jack, 697 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: I want to know what you think. I think this 698 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: is going to get a lot uglier very quickly. 699 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 2: I'm slightly different from you there. I'm not sure there's 700 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 2: a lot more to get ugly about. I think there 701 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 2: was a work relationship between the pair of them that 702 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 2: went sour, and potentially she wanted to back away from 703 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 2: the closeness of the intimacy that they had, and that 704 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,479 Speaker 2: I think if there was, if she had something else, 705 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 2: Why is it not in the filing? Why is it 706 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: not in there? That is there? Now, that's not to 707 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 2: say I know what's happened or not. That's to say 708 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 2: that from everything I've seen, I think this. All the 709 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 2: words I see look like a very simple relationship gone bad. 710 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 2: Now why it went bad is not quite made clear 711 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 2: in the words in the statements. Is there I know 712 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 2: what she's alleging, but what there is any actual proof 713 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 2: of what? There are any words there that those just 714 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 2: don't are not there in that filing. Having said that 715 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 2: he does not deny the allegations. He remember when we started, 716 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,439 Speaker 2: and I said, he does distance himself from denying at all. 717 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 2: So why is that? Why did he not come out 718 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 2: and say that so robustly in his defense? So there's 719 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 2: that great area in there, but I'm not sure there 720 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 2: is anything that is going to shed a little bit 721 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 2: more light on that gray area that's going to help 722 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 2: either party. Frankly, it could end up when you say 723 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 2: it messy, it may end up with no real resolution. 724 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: Well, here's what I make by MESSI there ain't no 725 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: way you've had a front run to Garth Brooks for 726 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: twenty years and you don't know dirt. And I mean 727 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: an argument between him and Trisha Yearwood, who they pay, 728 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: who they don't pay, who they like, who they don't like, 729 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: If he had other extramarital affairs, if he paid anybody 730 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: else to keep quiet, if he had anybody else on 731 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: their payroll that didn't really work for him, she knows it, 732 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 1: And that's what I mean. If he leaked her name, 733 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: and now she is so hurt and so upset and 734 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: possibly embarrassed because now her friends from high school, her hometown, 735 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: her whole family, they now know. And maybe they didn't 736 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: know before, they know now. So if she has something, 737 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,439 Speaker 1: I think she's going to put it out there. 738 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 2: You're one step ahead of me. But that is a 739 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 2: very very good point. And I'll go back again to 740 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 2: the start where he talked about hush money. 741 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. And you know, when you look 742 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: at Bill Clinton when he said what he did about 743 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky, he said, I did not have sexual relations 744 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: with that woman. When he called her that woman, Suddenly 745 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: she's got a blue dress. So I'm just telling you, 746 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: hurt people they come back and if they have any 747 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: type of arsenal, they'll use it. 748 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 2: I will be watching this one though, with great interest. 749 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 2: Over here in the UK country music, Garth Brooks is 750 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 2: not very popular. I'm aware of who he is, but 751 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 2: this has been it's been an eye opener in terms 752 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 2: of actually his popularity. And you know how well respected 753 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 2: he is or has been, so that he has a 754 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,479 Speaker 2: lot to lose in this situation, doesn't he He does. 755 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Reality Tom, and this is for 756 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: any any young man and listening to me, if you 757 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,839 Speaker 1: get yourself in a situation where somebody can make this allegation, 758 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: it's going to hurt your reputation no matter what. And 759 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: he pretty much says that in his paperwork. That's why 760 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: he said he was asking, you know, for compensatory and 761 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: punitive damages. That she knew by putting this out there 762 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: what it was going to do to his reputation and 763 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: his career and his family. And he's absolutely right, Jack Fox, 764 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We've got a lot to keep 765 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: our eye on. 766 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,919 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, y'all. 767 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I 768 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: always do with a quote. When we got married almost 769 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: ten years ago now, we made a commitment to really 770 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: be together, which means we hardly ever spent a night apart. 771 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: And being madly in love is important, but I think 772 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: it's equally important to be in deep like I like 773 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 1: this guy. We talk about everything and we laugh a lot. 774 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: Life is good, Trisha Gearwood, I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this 775 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: is Own seven.