WEBVTT - Jimmy Fallon 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.000 Welcome to Ruthie's Table four, a production of iHeartRadio and 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.800 Adami's Studios. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:13.120 Most nights, Jimmy Fallon and I are hosts. We both 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.320 have a number of people we reach out to. For 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:19.480 me a hundred and eighty for Jimmy one point eight million. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.200 I am a pilot of a small plane and Jimmy 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:30.600 is an astronaut flying to the moon as a chef. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:36.000 My hosting is through cooking in the River Cafe. Jimmy sings, dances, 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.960 talks and makes people laugh on the Tonight Show. Over 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.840 thirty five years, I can easily spot a food lover, 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.080 and from the first moment we met, I knew Jimmy 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.400 was one a food lover. Studies the menu asks questions. 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.600 Wants to explore the kitchen, and the people they care 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:58.000 most about meeting are the chefs. When they're finished eating, 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:02.000 often they want to start all over again. Curiosity is 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.360 the key for Jimmy to have interviewed thousands of people 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.440 over so many years. You don't just have curiosity, you 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.399 need to be a virtuoso of curiosity. So today, on 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.639 a gray winter day in New York, we're You're sitting 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:19.720 here at thirty rocks. Two friends to talk about memories, cooking, children, 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.240 and more. A chef and a star, a pilot and 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:27.080 an astronaut joined by love of food and each other. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.600 Do I interview you or do you? That's the question. 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:33.240 That's the hardest thing about it. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.840 Yeah, did you know somebody said the thing about an 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.520 interview with these you can interrupt your guests. So that's 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.040 the hardest thing is they have to listen. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:43.360 Yeah. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.720 So something My first ever interview I ever did was 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.440 Robert de Niro. He's a great guy, so good. The 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:52.480 thing about Robert DeNiro is that he doesn't really talk. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.160 He doesn't really like to talk. Okay, so if you 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.520 ever talked to him, you're like, Robert, I can't believe 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.520 you're here. You're on the show. Welcome, thanks so much. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.000 Uh're you live in New York? 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:08.400 Right? And he goes yep, yep, wow, wow, Okay, what's 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.880 the next question? I got the next question? You you 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:12.399 love Italian food? Right? 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:17.840 And he goes yepp, Okay, I'm going to another page. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.440 You could hear the sweat flop sweat forming out my head. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.560 I was like, oh my gosh, he's the nicest guy. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.840 He just did me a favorite because you couldn't book 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.880 people when I first started, you know, it was a 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.960 brand new show and no one knew that shows me 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.120 a flop or hit. So he did me a solid 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.960 and we've had him back many times. Now he talks now, 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:36.280 now he slaps across. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.720 He said that it can be a technique with journalists. 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.040 We once had a journalist doing a profile of Richard 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.080 and he hung around the house for days. He would 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.000 never say anything, and so I would, you know, talk 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.519 talk talk, talk talk, because somebody's got to talk. Yeah, 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:51.080 we're talking. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.040 Do you remember when I first kind of came up 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.280 to you at your restaurant and I hopefully didn't attack you. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.120 But I was such a fan of yours because I 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.799 collect cookbooks. Yeah, and one of my favorite cookbooks is 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.520 River Cafe, the one that's. 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:09.760 Oh the silver one, yes, yeah, that's easy, yes. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.720 And it's one of my favorite cookbooks for years. I 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:12.080 love it. 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.120 And I was like, oh my gosh, were meeting you 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.720 and I'm like I'm at the you know, River Cafe, 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:18.640 and like show me everything. You're like, well, we have 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.360 a new book, and I go, let me look at 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.360 the new book. And then you're showing me how the 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.400 restaurant has grown, Yes, and I was like, this is unbelievable. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.040 Before we even get to the food. The restaurant was awesome. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.440 But that's you. I mean, we remember we talked about 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.760 the time that you know, Jimmy Fallon came in and 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.160 wanted to know everything. As I said, he wanted to 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.000 meet the chefs. You want how do you put what 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:40.760 wood do you put in that wood of? And then 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.839 we make the pasta? Do you boil it? Because I 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.520 think also that I'd like to ask you questions. So 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.280 how do you do a show? How does a pilot 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.560 you know fireplade? How do you know that the lamb 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.880 comes out the same time as a possible tree? 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.000 Yeah? I want to know why did you choose this 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.040 silverware to go with this? 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:00.880 You know, I know what we love that. We love 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.160 that curiosity. Do you have you ever worked in a restaurant? 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:04.200 I never have. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:05.920 I don't know if I could do it, to be honest, 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:07.440 I don't know if I have the patience. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.720 You might if a chef. You were a chef. Maybe 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:10.520 you don't have a chef. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.400 Maybe I could try to do I love to get 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:16.200 in that cook and I love I loved Yeah, different recipes. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.560 I'm so I love it. It's a meditation for me. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:20.240 Most is it. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.040 Yeah, well that's a conversation. But for now, should we 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.240 start out with your recipe? Because that is the idea 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.120 that everybody reads a recipe recipe read. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.520 It's a recipe from the River Cafe Look Book, which is, 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:32.880 by the way, genius. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.200 Whoever thought of the idea? I'm assuming it was you. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:36.600 Three of us. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.560 It is matching art pieces with food on these photos. 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.960 When I was a kid, I remember my grandma used 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.320 to do a lot of babysitting for me, and I 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.000 would go over and she had one cookbook. It was 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.440 a Betty Crocker cookbook. Yeah, and the pictures are so great. 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.160 It was like a cherry pie and it wasn't like 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:56.560 we were making them. But I would just look at 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.599 the book and flip through the pages and look at 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.360 all the awesome photos. And that was for a kid, 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.120 that was like my favorite book to read. So I 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.120 think this is brilliant. I monitored to read the recipe. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:06.880 Now, okay, well what are you reading right? 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.560 This is for lemon ice cream, which sounds to intimidating. 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.760 No, but it's the shortest recipes here we go. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.360 Finally, grated zest of one and juice of three lemons. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:18.360 I can do that. 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.400 One cup castor in pentzes, super fine sugar, a half 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.400 a teaspoon of sea salt, teeny little bit. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.000 The sea salt we use is what they call molden salt, 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.440 which you can flake with your hands. It's a bit 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.640 salt together, fancy flaky salt. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.919 Yes, and then you have fifteen ounces scant two cups 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.120 double heavy cream. What a scant? 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.520 Scat means almost What did you say said? Scat means smooth? 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:46.880 You're not measured. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.520 It's like a scant, you say, you know, it's like 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:50.240 a little. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.279 Pinch, like a pinch of two cups. That's a big pinch. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.120 Two cups of double heavy cream. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:56.560 That's it. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:01.159 That's the ingredients, lemons, sugar, salt and cream exactly. Okay, 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.800 you need a lemon squeezer, you need a grater, you 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:09.040 need a scale, if you want measuring cups, measuring spoons, bowl, spoon, 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:10.480 freezer proof container. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:11.520 Let's what you have to do here. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.560 This is the only ice cream we know that doesn't 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.960 have to be churned. What, yes, be sure to wash 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.400 the lemons, roll the lemons before you squeeze them to 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:21.560 get the maximum juice. 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.719 I do that, by the way. I'm a gen and tonic, 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:25.760 so I take my lime and. 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.920 Roll it limes particulate. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.279 Now the juice out there, Yes, you need it. Nothing 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.080 worse than like a pulpy dry lime. Roll the lemons 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.880 before you get that maximum juice. In a bowl, mix 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.800 the lemons, zest and juice, sugar and salt with the spoon. Slowly, 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.440 slowly add the cream, carefully mixing with the spoon. It 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.040 will immediately thicken. Put the ice cream mixture in a 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.919 one liter one quart freezer proof container and freeze for 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.560 two hours to harden. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:53.160 That's it. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.200 That is it what I mean, honestly, it is because 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.200 of the lemon and the creep. Basically you're eating cream 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.400 and a spoon. It's delicious. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.440 Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'm doing. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:05.720 This tonight with kids. 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.560 The kids love it, fantastic. I just want to say 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:09.720 I love the colors on us. 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.120 You know, my husband did an airport in Madrid called 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.240 Barakas Airport. Have you ever been to Madrid? And every 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.640 he loved color, and so every beam is a different color. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.680 It's like the rainbow and it just takes it so 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.680 we thought, how do you follow those photographs? You know, 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.400 you follow them with color. Color Every single page is 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.800 a different color. So it just makes it a bit even. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.840 You think about that when you do not only your 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:33.760 cookbooks but your restaurant everything. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.320 I think, I think, you know, I think color. I 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.720 look like you were saying lighting. I trained as a 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.760 graphic designer. So even the food. While you put food 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.080 on the plate, not in that fancy arty way. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.640 With a little squeege you. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.680 Are that kind of thing. We don't do that. But 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.400 if you're going to put a piece of sea bass 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.400 on the plate, and you're going to put a lemon 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.960 on the plate, and you're going to put some spinach 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.360 or cannellini beans or whatever, baked tomatoes, you really think 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.640 about how you play that. And it's very interesting to 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.720 see the way young chess plate. 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.360 You know, do you reactions when the plate comes to. 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.520 The always yeah, I mean I try, you know, because 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.480 you know, we have an open kitchen, so to you know, 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.800 it's a live performance. It's like you when you get 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.480 up there and you have your audience, and of course 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.560 we don't get applause and we go get booze. What 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.559 I always look for is to see if they share, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.360 so then you can see the reaction. You know, they go. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.360 If you can do this on audio, Yeah, how do 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.080 you make it? 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.600 Yeah? If you tuning in, they're not. 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:39.920 What's going on exactly? 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:42.640 Money. Welcome back to. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.600 So we could go back to the grandparents in the yard. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.640 Living with your grandparents. Tell me about your grandmother. 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:57.520 She was Norwegian and Irish and she was my mom's 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.120 mom and she lived with us. 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:00.320 She was she lived in our back. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.920 Yard, in the back I had to tell you that. 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.040 I was with my seven year old granddaughter. We're going 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.360 down the street and I said, you know, I used 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.120 to live on the street. And she went, oh, poor you. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.800 And I said why, I said, that's a really nice 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:16.560 street to live on. She said that you had to 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:17.640 live on the street. 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:22.680 No, no, I'm sorry. They didn't live in my backyard. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.320 Your poor grandmother was in the bag. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.960 We fed them so they were well fed. 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.240 But they were in a little cottage in our backyard, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.960 but shared our address, so they were basically our neighbors, 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:34.120 you know. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:35.000 So they helped raise me. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.080 Actually, so I go over there and there really is 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.440 no good Irish cuisine. Unfortunately, I could say that as 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.160 an Irish person. That's why you never you never see 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:46.800 an Irish cookbook because everything is boiled. Tatoes boil, boil it, 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:48.640 owed me a boilet toilet? 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:49.600 Yeah, what you got there? 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:54.720 Cabbage boil it, boil it with the with the corn beef. Okay, 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.880 this is the worst cook So that's why you never 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.040 see that. So but so we kind of tried to 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.720 steal from other CUIs means. We had Italian neighbors that 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.160 were great Polish neighbors, and then my grandmother Norwegian, so 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.160 we had a lot of like meatball type of things. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:08.959 My grandmother would always be you know, she had that 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.199 rule if you drop it on the floor, not only 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.320 is the five second rule, you're allowed to eat it, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:14.679 but Jimmy would eat it. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.760 She would feed me whatever fell on the floor. I 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:18.959 would I got all the scraps. Yeah. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.480 But I loved it, and I loved the way she cooked. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.120 And I just washed her hands and my mom too. 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.240 They always had like something on them. My mom always 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.680 had like hamburger meat or something like that. She would 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.040 answered the phone with something on her hand and then 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.120 hang up and I go, Mom, you gotta wash. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:36.280 I can't pick up the phone. 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:37.760 After you if you keep it on. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:39.760 Yeah, O, my god, it's disgusting. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.400 Living with your grandparents is quite something, though, isn't it? 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.000 Because you have the cooking is shared. 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.320 It's very family style cooking. We always ate how many 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:48.560 of you. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.240 It was me and my sister. That's it. 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.560 I had one sister, my mom and dad, and yeah, 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:55.280 you know. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.800 She stayed home to raise this. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:58.920 So there was a lot of a lot of my 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.440 mom cookingtuff like that and always experimenting and trying stuff. 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:03.240 Did she experiment? 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.719 Also? She would also lie to us too a lot. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.719 I mean she said, like, we had a meal every year, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:16.080 almost every day of my life called pasta pasta. 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.480 That's isn't that a song? 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.520 It's your like a big pizza smo. 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.760 When your mom lies to you, says it's passive, but 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.280 it's not because it's not. 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:33.800 It wasn't. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:38.120 She was, so is it kind of it's an Italian 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.920 soup and it wasn't When I was growing up. It 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.800 was basically like macaroni noodles, ground beef and pasta and 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.439 beans and garlic, garlic powder, and. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:48.800 So what did she lie about? 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:49.360 I loved it? 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.240 Well, that's not that's not what passive pastaool is a 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.640 soup very like so, but we did stand soup. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.400 It was like a really chunky soup. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.720 There was no there's no liquid dry almost it was 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.680 actually almost like I don't call it gruel. 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.000 I had to name it for her. That was her thing. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.480 And then I remember she was like she has. 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.400 A very like kind of new yawky voice, like, Jimmy, 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:13.520 do you want to grilled cheese? 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:14.760 I got, thanks, Mom. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.320 And I knew that she made it because I would 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:21.079 hear scraping the burnt off the toes before she gave 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.800 it to me. She always burned my girl cheese. But 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.920 she's hilarious. My mom and my dad were. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:27.560 Did your father cook? 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:29.760 I don't remember him cooking, not. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.720 Even like kind of man things like barbecues. 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:33.640 I mean barbecue. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.800 He would arrange the briquettes, you know, and like that 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.200 like it was a big masterful thing, like really that 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.719 it's just a pile pile always the barbecue. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.920 Yeah. What was the kitchen like? Was that out in 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:47.160 the yard as well? Yeah? 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.920 Open space in our house? Yeah, we lived, you know. 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.959 Our kitchen was where we have the parties and everyone 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:55.920 would always drink there. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.679 Big house was tiny country. 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.360 House but our kitchen was red and red and blue. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.840 It was like, oh man, I lived there basically, I 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.560 mean every big event was in the kitchen. Birthday parties, 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.840 hanging out after school with my friends, we'd all just 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:13.520 go in the kitchen. 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:15.680 We'd hang out with my parents. We'd drink with my 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.559 parents and hang with them. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.760 And the music was in there. We'd always listen to music. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:25.600 My dad always loved do wop music and yeah, like 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:31.720 like bo do doo doo do. So we were listening 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.880 to dou wop music. And he served in Vietnam. He 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.440 was in the navy. 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:38.559 What so, how long was her wife for? 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.840 He was gone for I mean just before he had me, 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.000 but it was three years, I want to say, on 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.440 the ship. But he loved do wop and he would 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.440 always play these real to real tapes of him in 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.600 this group singing on the ship and they'd sing all 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.720 like glory, they sing all. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.360 These songs, and I go, oh cool. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.480 And when I got older, I watched these movies about 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.400 you know, Vietnam war or something, and they never played 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.240 do wop music. They would play Jimi Hendrix. They would 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.480 play you know something that I go, they're missing the 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.240 everyone's listening. Turns out my dad was just a nerd. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.520 I think I know more do wop songs than I 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.840 do modern songs. But I remember he had me as 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.280 a kid climb up. We lived in upstate New York, 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:19.840 and you had me climb up into the house and 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.400 put wires all over in the attic just we can 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.720 get reception of this radio station, w CBS FM in Brooklyn, 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.240 New York. It was probably terrible for me and Gloria 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.320 with all the radiation from those wires. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.560 But did you have meals? Family meals around the table? 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.240 Would you sit down in that beautiful kitchen of yours? 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:38.680 We would sit in the living room. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:39.880 Do you have did you have a dining room? 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.320 We had a dining room that would use on Thanksgiving, 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.480 in Easter, I think, yeah, you know, basically only the 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.480 only times we went to church we would use that room. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.680 But you know the kind of big events, you know, 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.880 we would have in the dining room. But are most 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.480 of the time we had dinner together every night, watching. 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:58.400 TV, watching TV. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.120 And we'd had those TVs tables, Yes, those pulled up 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.960 TV tables, and they're cheap metal things and click them 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.120 together and set it up and everyone make a dish 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.200 and then come out and you eat together and watch TV. 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:12.280 You watch Barney Miller or whatever. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:13.480 Would you do homework? 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.200 Then I do homework and then yeah, and they watched 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:17.760 TV the rest of the night, we do the dishes 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:18.440 or whatthing like that. 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.160 But sounds kind of nice. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:20.640 I love it. 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:21.880 Sounds nice. 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:22.480 I love that. 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.960 I loved hanging out with family and eating and talking 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.760 with Like again, my mom just loved food and just 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.640 always there was always something cooking somewhere, either her or 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:38.360 my grandmother. Just again, sloppy hands things everywhere, sauce is 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.040 being made. It was good and like just yeah, I 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.880 think and experiment again, trying different things. And I would 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.960 always try to do something every Thanksgiving, Like I go, 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.560 I'm making Brais fennel this year. 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:54.120 Did you I tried? Did you make fennel? You grew 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.640 up in Solgerties? Yes, I grew up in Woodstock. What 0:15:57.960 --> 0:15:58.560 about it? 0:15:58.680 --> 0:15:59.720 What are you talking about? 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:01.240 What'stock girl? No? 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.480 I went to your cool You went to hone your 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.560 I'm sorry high all the cool kids went to your 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:10.560 I think. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.800 The school there ei there was a choice where we 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.760 could have maybe gone to Sogerty's or gone to to 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.880 you imagine to your was great, but it was like 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.240 a forty five minute ride from Stock. But we used 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.720 to go to the movies in Sogers on Sunday, Sunday night, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:26.680 no way. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.880 Yeah, that was my first movie theater. So everything that 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.760 I used to I went to summer school. I should 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.520 say it like I'm proud of it. But I went 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:34.720 to summer school in Woodstock. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.680 And what's what's the elementary school. 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.160 Right by the on the green, right on the green, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:39.640 so you know. 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.240 That golf course. Yes, that's where my father we lived 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:43.240 on Chestnut Road. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.280 What what was the place that there were? All the 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:48.360 bands used to cliff? 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.480 I used to go to the bird cliff. There was 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.560 up on the mountain. You mean that the outside Maverick. 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:56.760 There was Maverick. 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.480 It was like a bar almost. It was a good 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.320 bar like r. E. M. Was your there. 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.120 And when I went you know, I'm pretty old. So 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.240 when I went there, there was just after Dylan because 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.639 when my parents went there, it was an artist calling me. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.199 You remember that. When you come into Woodstock from Soberties, 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:16.000 there's the Art Students League, like Phil Gustin was there, 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:20.040 a lot of great artists were there and then Bob Grossman, 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.280 you're interviewing me. By the way it happened. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.080 See, it just happens. So this is what it is. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.119 It ends up. I knew I was going to do it. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:27.800 I got you. 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.160 I'm only supposed to talk about food, So I didn't 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:30.879 eat Dylan in a. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.360 In a bar just when he got in the motorcycle accident. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.200 Yeah, he got the motorcycle accident of in wood Stock. 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.960 My mom, I went toole bringing back to food I 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.480 went to when I got started live and started to 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.679 get famous. I would go home to say to, you know, 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.040