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Speaker 1: and uh, buck Man. We've got in a colectic show today.

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Speaker 1: I think the big part is actually is to really

430
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Speaker 1: teach them the concept of recovery and raft. I Man,

431
00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,960
Speaker 1: I think what most guys don't get the they don't

432
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Speaker 1: really quite understand how how that met twenty one two

433
00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,360
Speaker 1: years old isn't going to beat them at years old.

434
00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean even in that short period of time that

435
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,000
Speaker 1: their bodies are changing really quickly, and um aren't able

436
00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,720
Speaker 1: to recover as fast from from one training session or

437
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,000
Speaker 1: one game to the next, And so it's really teaching

438
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,840
Speaker 1: them exactly how to take care of themselves. And I

439
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,800
Speaker 1: think that's the biggest thing is we're not you know,

440
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,679
Speaker 1: I kind of laugh a lot of times as we

441
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Speaker 1: like when you talk when we talk about the combine

442
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Speaker 1: training is over the past like fourteen years that I've

443
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Speaker 1: been doing it, it's how much it's changed. Is it's

444
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,280
Speaker 1: pretty remarkable and crazy. UM. I also like wonder why

445
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,960
Speaker 1: there's so much that goes into it. But I'll say

446
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,640
Speaker 1: this is I think one thing that does come through

447
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,439
Speaker 1: it is is you teach these kids through this process

448
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,680
Speaker 1: of how to be a pro. I mean, I think

449
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 1: a lot of guys what you'll see, the people that

450
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, generally a lot of the strain coaches I

451
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 1: work with in the NFL that I talked to all

452
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 1: the time say that the biggest issue they have is

453
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 1: when guys go off like through in the in the

454
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 1: break between O t s from you know, June, where

455
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,640
Speaker 1: they have off time in July and they come back

456
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 1: in August ready for training camp. Sevent of injuries and

457
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,240
Speaker 1: the NF all happened in the first two weeks of

458
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,159
Speaker 1: training camp. So what's happening is basically guys are going

459
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Speaker 1: into camp without having their tissue prepared for what they're

460
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,439
Speaker 1: about to and door you know, like I worked with

461
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 1: the Cardinal Strength coach when Bruce Arians was there. Brus

462
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 1: will run a hundred and ten on the scripted plays

463
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 1: day one of training camp. And if you have if

464
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 1: you come in from taking a week off in Bahamas

465
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Speaker 1: with the family and haven't really worked out the last week,

466
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Speaker 1: going into camp in the first day, you're a receiver

467
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 1: and you're running you know haiti routes. I mean, that

468
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 1: will take a toll on the body, and that's why

469
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 1: so many soft tissue injuries happen. So I think the

470
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 1: biggest thing is teaching them really when to push themselves

471
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Speaker 1: throughout the off season and when to pull back and

472
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 1: let them their bodies recover. So a good example would

473
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Speaker 1: be your season ends in January, take off a month

474
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Speaker 1: and go travel, go out on with the family, go

475
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 1: spend time to get your give your body a break,

476
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 1: and then get back in the weight room around March

477
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 1: and then push hard, you know, push a decent amount

478
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 1: working on you know, imbalances from March until April when

479
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 1: they check into O T and then they really readline

480
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Speaker 1: in July and July will look like the combined training

481
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Speaker 1: does with the rookies. So then they ramp up in

482
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Speaker 1: the volume and intensities and then they're ready for training camp.

483
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Speaker 1: And I think that's the biggest I think most guys

484
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 1: make though, is that they'll take July and just kind

485
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Speaker 1: of use that as a vacation time rather than really

486
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Speaker 1: hard training. Get a chance to, uh to flip through

487
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: some games on on Sundays. I know this this you

488
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: work for a bunch of these rookies. Um, anything jump

489
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: out to you when you're watching these rookies, and in

490
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Speaker 1: terms of you just see okay that uh, that definitely

491
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Speaker 1: correlates to the explosiveness or what I saw working with

492
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 1: these guys who who jumps out at you? Yeah, I

493
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: mean I think, you know, I think it's a good

494
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: example to be Josh Allen probably where you feel like,

495
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, I think everybody nobody was was mistaken in

496
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: saying that he needed time to develop, right. We all

497
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: knew that. I mean I knew that working with him.

498
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: I talked to you guys about that. I think everybody

499
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: knew knew Josh had needed some time. I mean, shoot,

500
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Speaker 1: I think every rookie should sit two years. I think

501
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: I wish every team did that. I mean, it's just

502
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: not the way the games played anymore. But um, you know,

503
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: and the kids even know that, they know they need time,

504
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: and they they're they're they're young and they need time

505
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,959
Speaker 1: to develop. But I think Josh is showing, you know

506
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Speaker 1: that he's got to use his plays as I mean,

507
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: running for almost a hundred yards on thirteen carries. I

508
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: think is is a sign of him having to use

509
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Speaker 1: his legs to kind of open some things up for

510
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Speaker 1: the packing game, because you know, maybe he doesn't have

511
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Speaker 1: a grasp on enough of the play a book to

512
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 1: be able to open the playbook up to to have

513
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of options, you know, when Tom Brady sits

514
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: back there in you know, however many years he's been

515
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 1: in that same offense, over ten years in the same offense,

516
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 1: He's able to have seventy players at hand where he

517
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: can in audible and check in in and out of,

518
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: whereas Josh and Sam and these guys they maybe have

519
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: one or two, you know, so they're they're much more

520
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,479
Speaker 1: limited and under the understanding of the playbooks. So they

521
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: got to use their legs, they got to use their

522
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: athleticism and try to create, create, and and you know,

523
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: it can win them some games. I think it's not

524
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: gonna win them ten games, but it will win them,

525
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, five to six um each year. And they're

526
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 1: kind of around that right now. So it just takes time.

527
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, fan bases just need to

528
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: be patient. I mean, I had Carson went and Jared Goff,

529
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 1: and I told everybody, looked, wait till year four with

530
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: Jared and Carson wi ready year one and and it's

531
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Speaker 1: pretty much the way it worked out. I mean, everybody

532
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: called Jared a bust year one, and now look at them.

533
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: So I think I think it's just a matter of

534
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 1: letting them develop, giving them time. You know. I think

535
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: what it comes down to a lot of times, the

536
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: reason that stakes are made in quarterback selections is just

537
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: I think that they don't they don't really take a

538
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: deep enough look into their their mindset, their their discipline,

539
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: their decision making, their ability that to make choices um

540
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: and kind of more of the discipline of what not

541
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: to than what to do truthfully, Um, I think is

542
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: really what makes up a great quarterback. Just to start,

543
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: they need to be professional day one. And I think

544
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: Josh and Sam and you know, Marcus and Carson and Jared,

545
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: all those guys have that. So I think that's that's

546
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: something that's gonna come. It's just gonna take time for

547
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 1: them to develop, and people just need to be I think,

548
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: a little patient and letting them get get their handle

549
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: on the game and the speed in the playbook. But

550
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: it'll come, I think. I'm I think all the guys

551
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: are doing doing well. You know. One one final thing

552
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: for me, I'm always curious about the running back position

553
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: and the differences when it comes to preparing running backs

554
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Speaker 1: because it's deemed a high risk position when you are

555
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: working with specially running backs. Is there anything that you

556
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: do differently for running backs that you do for other

557
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: guys other positions to try and make sure that they're

558
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: at their best when it comes to uh, I guess,

559
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: a preventative measure from injury risk. Absolutely, man. Yeah, So

560
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: I just actually started working with Sake one this year.

561
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: UM started working with him this summer and been training

562
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Speaker 1: him throughout the year, and he's the one that had.

563
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Speaker 1: You know, he and I sat down and talked a

564
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: lot about it. I mean the way he was training

565
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: throughout college was you know, heavy, kind of more Olympic

566
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: focused lifts, which, as you when you're younger, is really

567
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: necessary in order for your development. So it's important to

568
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: know that high school and college kids that type of

569
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: training is really good for them because it starts to

570
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: develop a level of strength and baseline that they need

571
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: in order to you know, perform at their best and

572
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: run as stuff as they can't jump as hig as

573
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: they can. But once you get in the league, I

574
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Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is is understanding what causes injuries,

575
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Speaker 1: Like what is it that causes injuries? And generally number one,

576
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Speaker 1: it's it's like I told you guys of injury history,

577
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: so we look at that. Number two, it's in balance

578
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: between left and right leg. Number three is we really

579
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: look at, you know, where are what's the range of

580
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: motion are they able to you know, what's their internal

581
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Speaker 1: rotation of their lower legs Because a lot of times

582
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Speaker 1: when you see an athlete tearing a c l like

583
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: assuming rappol is a great example, their need mediately collapses.

584
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: So it collapses to the insight towards their name and

585
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: the lack of you know, ability to range emotion of

586
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: the internal rotation that femur will actually cause a c

587
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: l rupture due to the fact that they that the

588
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: fever cannot um fully rotating inward. And I think that's

589
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, you want to see a really good balanced

590
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: internal external rotation of the femur, and that's something we

591
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: work on with stake one, Like he had really limited

592
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: internal rotation. His blue meads are really weak. So the

593
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: smaller stabilizer muscles that are responsible for joint stability and

594
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: the intervention are the ones that really aren't need the

595
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: most focused. So it's funny because the first time I

596
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: worked with him, he we did body weight only and

597
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: he was like, wait, We're not gonna like get on

598
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: the bar anything. I'm like, no, we're just gonna be

599
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: body weight stuff. And then at the end of the

600
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: work days like that was the hard square I've ever

601
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: had in my life. And it's you know, they're they're

602
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: working muscles they've never worked before, and and when you're

603
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: constantly doing the same thing over and over for four years,

604
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: which is like the squatting and Olympic lifting that those

605
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: types of exercises. Your body's never needed to build up

606
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: those stabilizer you know, smaller muscles, So it's UM. It's

607
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: one of those things where you focus on the smaller

608
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: muscles when they get in the league. When they're younger,

609
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: you can work on the bigger, you know, driving muscles,

610
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: muscles that are gonna, you know, allow them to run

611
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: fast and jump high. But as they get to the league,

612
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: you gotta really focus on like the VMO or the

613
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: glute meat, really strengthening the hips and then improving range

614
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: of motion to be as balanced symmetrical as possible. UM

615
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: is really a good goal, both say Kewan, you know,

616
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: it's just it's a it's a it's also a balance

617
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: of like getting him to understand that and and getting

618
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: him mentally to change because I think a lot of

619
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: these guys, I means Marcus Mariot. It was it was

620
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: like a two year process for us, which was getting

621
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: his mind to shift from I want to push myself

622
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: as hard as I possibly can in every workout, thinking

623
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: and working much much smarter UM because you know, as

624
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: as these guys know, that's it's about the it's the marathon,

625
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: not a sprint, and they need to understand that. So, Um,

626
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: I think the difference is is in the in the

627
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: running back position going to take a lot more hits,

628
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take a lot more hits from a side,

629
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: So joint stability and really taking care of their lower hat,

630
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: lower corner is going to be really important. So a

631
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: lot of hips strength, Um, a lot of balance and

632
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: stabilization is really important as well as much as the

633
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: explosive type power movement that you would do in the

634
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: way room as well. The last question for me, I'm

635
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: just curious from a technology standpoint, you know where we

636
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: headed here in terms of where this can go in

637
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: the training aspect of it. We talked earlier in the

638
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: in the ball about how we thought eventually we're gonna

639
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: get to the point where virtual reality stuff with with

640
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: even combine interviews, putting glasses on guys quarterbacks and being

641
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: able to work through progressions and see what they see. Um,

642
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: that's uh, something we could see coming in the future

643
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: here in the evaluation process. I know, the GPS thing

644
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: is big, you know, coming from from soccer now everybody

645
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: in football using that. What what can be next? What's

646
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: next in technology in your side of things? Yeah, I

647
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: mean we're we're already using a lot of like instrumented

648
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: treadmill for forceplate treadmill. We're using force plates to get

649
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Speaker 1: an idea of like all even example, so like an

650
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: athlete coming up and make cl injury a surgery post op,

651
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: probably three months post up. There, they don't they don't

652
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: have the ability to shock absorbed in the in the

653
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: surgically repaired to me, so we get them on forceplates.

654
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: Then we show them and teach them look at look

655
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: at how well you're able to shock absorber on the

656
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: non injured side. And then when you when you when

657
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: you work on the involved side, the surgical will repaired side,

658
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: you're you're unable to shock absorb. So we're using data

659
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: to kind of show the athletes and and to support

660
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: kind of the things we're seeing. And a lot of

661
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: times trainers, you know, I the first part of my

662
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: career I was doing with the naked eye and just

663
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: hoping I was right. And now we actually have data

664
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Speaker 1: to support and show us whether or not what we're

665
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: seeing is real or not. And I think that's the

666
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: data supported kind of training is really where it's already

667
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: we already are. I think it's just going to continue

668
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: down that path further and further. I think the limitation

669
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Speaker 1: we have right now using data in training is just

670
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, especially in a football team,

671
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: with a football team, you've got you know, fifty three

672
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: plus practice squad guys to train every single week. That like,

673
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: getting that many people through and tested is it's pretty tough,

674
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: and especially when you only have one or something on

675
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: the most most teams only purchase one, so if you're

676
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: kind of limited in who you can test. So I

677
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: think the f where we're gonna keep going is more

678
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: data informed kind of measurements. So rather than just running

679
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: a fourting and jumping a vertical or doing a five

680
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: ten five, I think where we're gonna start looking into

681
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: is more more more data to support, you know what,

682
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: into the doctors just kind of poking and prodding athletes,

683
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: like getting them on you know, force plates to force

684
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: state trains, really get to understand if them balances make

685
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: symmetries and some of the things that they can work on.

686
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: And I think the thing is to whe people gotta

687
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: realize that it's not just to to um look at

688
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: athletes and say, oh, we're not going to pick him

689
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: based on it's just more I think. I think also

690
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: it's just extra information. I think the more information we have,

691
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: the better to health. Athletes stay healthier, you know, UM,

692
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: be able to to survive some of these pretty traumatic

693
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: injuries and still come back and play at a really

694
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: high level. I mean, he looked at that bust of

695
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: those SEP words within in the league and his ability

696
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: to stay on the field healthy, taking the amount of

697
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: its he takes. I think a lot of it's just

698
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: because he exposes his body and he understands how to

699
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: stress his body in the offseason to get ready for

700
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: the season. He does a really good job of that.

701
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of setting the standard. Tom Brady obviously,

702
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, does an amazing job as well, UM of

703
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: just kind of getting themselves ready and and kind of

704
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: using data to support UM and inform their training program

705
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: rather than just using kind of you know, kind of

706
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: blindly writing workouts for the whole team. UM. I think

707
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: more personalized informed you know, nutrition and blood work and

708
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: all that stuff is already here. It's just how how

709
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: fast it gets integrated into the NFL at the NFL level,

710
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: at the team level. I think it's gonna it'll be

711
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: interesting to see. That's fascinating stuff. Man. We we appreciate

712
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: you giving us so much time here today. Ryan. Always

713
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: enjoy chatting with you, and I just want to leave

714
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Speaker 1: you with this. Just be comfortable in knowing the fact

715
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Speaker 1: that I am perfectly balanced. The left side of my

716
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: body is equally as weak as the right side of

717
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: my body. So it's it's beautifully bad. I just had

718
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: a kid, uh three months ago, so I am full

719
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: dad vod motor right now. It's like, totally understand what

720
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: you're saying. Hey, hey, bro, times four, Buddy times four.

721
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: Then you know, how do you know where I am?

722
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine. I cannot imagine. Hey, I look forward.

723
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Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you. We'll catch up when you

724
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: get down here in southern California. We'll stop by. Sounds

725
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: good man, I look forward to it, all right, Thanks Ran,

726
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: all right, Buck. Always always fun to catch up with

727
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: Mr Flaherty. I feel like he's such a great resource

728
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Speaker 1: to have as we go towards the draft, He's gonna

729
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: get his chance to uh, to get his hands on

730
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: a lot of these athletes that are gonna be talking

731
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: about here as we run up to the draft and

732
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: look He's able to really convey a lot of experience

733
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Speaker 1: that he said working with eight players. The Drew Brees

734
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: is the Russell Wilson's uh, he mentioned Sae Kwon Barkley.

735
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: Take all that experience and then really share that knowledge

736
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: with the young guys that he will work with this

737
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: year in the twenty nineteen class. I think it's a

738
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: tremendous opportunity for anyone who is working with him to

739
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: not only learn about um how to get their bodies

740
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: ready to perform at their best at the combine, but

741
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: how to be a pro. I think that is the

742
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: biggest thing that I took out of that conversation. How

743
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: to be a pro? How do you show up and

744
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: put yourself in a position to have a long, successful career.

745
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: He knows because he's worked with some of the best

746
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: and brightest at the positions. I always find it funny

747
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: thing was you know, it's just a durable guy, like

748
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: it's you. You know, some guys are lucky they're durable.

749
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: Other guys aren't. They're unlucky, they're always injured. No, No No,

750
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: guys like Russell Wilson don't get hurt for a reason

751
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: because they put in the countless hours of work and

752
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: injury prevention. It's not just training getting bigger, faster, and stronger.

753
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: It's all about that. That pliability is the big word

754
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: that UH that Tom Brady likes to use, and being

755
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: able to do some things are gonna help you to

756
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: prevent those injuries from taking place. And I think you

757
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: see that with a lot of the time athletes. Absolutely,

758
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: and I think you have to understand, like the way

759
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: we're going, we're training, UH, Tom Brady and some of

760
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: the guys have been at the forefront of the movement

761
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: really trying to educate UH young athletes how to take

762
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: care of their bodies, how to put themselves in a

763
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: position to not only have success, but have sustained success

764
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: over an extended period of time. It is all about

765
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: the preparation of the work that you do in the

766
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: offseason that gives you an opportunity to be a great

767
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: player doing this season. Jump into some college stuff here.

768
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Speaker 1: First of all, let's let's keep an eye on the

769
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Speaker 1: draft here. Rashaan Gary announced he's coming out, guessing maybe

770
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Speaker 1: he won't play in the bowl game. Then if he's

771
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: already made that announcement, I think I think we'll see

772
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, like now that they know

773
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: they're not going to play in these Marquee Bowl games,

774
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll see many of the types of participate.

775
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: And I think also with the red shirt rule, I

776
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: think you'll see more teams basically used the bowl game

777
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: as a launching point for spring ball. I'm kind of

778
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: excited for the bowl season to see some of the

779
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: young guys get on the field. I think it's brilliant.

780
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the best things in Double

781
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: A has done quite some time. It's gonna make this

782
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: the first game of next season basically instead of the

783
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: last game of this season. See some of these red

784
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: shirts get pulled and see these guys get out there.

785
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: But Shaun Gary announce he's coming out and to kill

786
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: Harry wide receiver from Arizona State. And now he's coming out.

787
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: We have Metcalf announced he's coming out, wide receiver from

788
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: Old mess So starting to see these names start to

789
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: trickle out here, Buck, Yeah, because we already know Boss

790
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: coming out, Nick bos is coming out, and then Ed

791
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: Oliver has already previously announced that he was coming out,

792
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, we noticed. And I think the thing that

793
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: will shape up uh in this draft that we know

794
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: it's a defensive heavy draft. It's gonna be a lot

795
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: of guys up front that can disrupt and not only

796
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: disrupt running games, but really can get after the passer.

797
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: And there are a number of linebackers that will be

798
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: in this draft that we will talk about um being

799
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: first round picks because they can make plays in space

800
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: against the passing game. I think the bigger thing is

801
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: at the top of the board when I look at

802
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: the top ten, because I'm writing on this now, I'm

803
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: looking at these teams at the top Arizona Cardinal, San

804
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine is Oakland Raiders, Jets, Giants, Bucks, Jaguars, Lions, Browns,

805
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: and Dolphins. I don't know if these got necessarily need

806
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: defensive layers. Some of these guys need quarterbacks and offensive weapons.

807
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: How are they going to balance what they need versus

808
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: what the draft brings them when it comes to the

809
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: value and the guys who deserve to be graded as

810
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: first round talents. I know it's gonna be interesting to

811
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: see how that all marries itself up. By the way,

812
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: last year we we uh we termed it the Year

813
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: of the Quarterback. We did it after the previous year's draft.

814
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: The very next day, we're the first ones. Everybody can

815
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: else can claim they did it. We we were the

816
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: first one said last year will be the year of

817
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback, and we saw five of them go in

818
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: the first round. Now, for a long time, it's been

819
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: phrased as this is going to be the year the

820
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. Right, I'm changing it. I'm giving it a

821
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: new name. All Right, we're gonna go forward. Because you're

822
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: the defensive lineman doesn't really get focus, is fired up.

823
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: So when you watch NFL games right now, and we

824
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: talked about we always talk about like offenses, and we

825
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: talk about players, play callers, play makers. When you watch

826
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: these games, points up and down the field. But these

827
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: games are being decided because guys are finding a way

828
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: to make a play. It's a it's a strip sack,

829
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: it's a pick six on defense. Offense, it's an explode

830
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: to run, it's a big catch, big time throw. This

831
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: is the year of the playmaker. Oh, we can make

832
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: the big but it is that's what a guy like

833
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: That's like Rashan Gary. The guys we just talked about

834
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: Rashan Garry to kill Harry these guys are playmakers. They

835
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: play different positions, but they're playmakers. That's what we're talking about, absolutely,

836
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: and that's the way we talked about it. We talked

837
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: about constructing a team, and we mentioned in those things,

838
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: what having three playmakers on each side of the ball.

839
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: Outside of the core positions of quarterback, offensive tackle, um

840
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: and and some of those other things that we deem

841
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: to be essentials, you have to have playmakers on each

842
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and you gotta be able to

843
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: position them. The thing that I want to see now

844
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: when we look at these playmakers, these pass rushers, not

845
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: only on the outside. The value is now finding guys

846
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: on the inside that can define them. We will call

847
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: it the Aaron Donald Effect. Aaron Donald's ability to absolutely

848
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: disrupt game plans because he's an inside pass rushing presence

849
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: will make more and more teams look for those kind

850
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: of guys in the draft, no question. Uh, it's gonna

851
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be fun to watch this. Uh this

852
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: draft unfold. Here about a couple of thoughts on a

853
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: couple of games here, but before we get there, Uh,

854
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: it's official. I think we talked about a little bit

855
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: on the on the show yesterday. But Mac Brown, it

856
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: is official. Now your former coaches, now you're your alma

857
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: maters current coach. Here back to North Carolina from Mac Brown. Yeah,

858
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: you know this is an interesting higher. Obviously, people are

859
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: gonna look at the fact that he's sixty seven years old,

860
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: he's been out of the game for five years. Um,

861
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: how long can he be in North Carolina? And what

862
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: can he bring to the table um as a former

863
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: player there. I think the big thing for him has

864
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: little to do what xs and ohs. What Carolina needed

865
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: and what they're looking for is someone that can create

866
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: the culture. We've had John Gordon on the program, and

867
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: John Gordon when he's always talking about team building, he

868
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: talks about the culture that exists. The one thing that

869
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Coach Brown can do is he can set division for

870
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: the culture that he wants in the football program, in

871
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: the community, connect the administrators with the alumni, the football

872
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: program and the recruits, and get everybody in the community

873
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: on the same page. He'll hire your coaches, he'll get

874
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: all of that. But I think the thing that he

875
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: has to establish is get the culture right. The winds

876
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: will eventually come. Oh fuck, you were talking about John Gordon,

877
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: So I had to show you in the shirt that

878
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: he sent me. Oh stay positive, stay positive. Hey, let's

879
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: stay positive here. You know, if you're if you're a

880
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: North Carolina fan, you're excited about the move, that's great.

881
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: If you're a North Carolina fan and you're a little

882
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: bit nervous about it late, stay positive stays. And that's

883
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: the funny thing because if anyone who has been around

884
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: Coach Brown will say that he is the most positive man,

885
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: did you ever find? Not one to necessarily braid and

886
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: badger his players. He believes in trying to find a

887
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: civil lining in every outcome. And so we'll see how

888
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: this works. UM. The main thing is we have now

889
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: seen two older coaches get jobs, two guys that have

890
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: one champions. That's Miles going to Kansas trying to kind

891
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: of jump start the culture at Kansas. He is a

892
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: guy that's been successful obviously one national title at l

893
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: s U. Coach Brown going to North Carolina after winning

894
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: a title at Texas. UM, we'll see if these old

895
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: dogs have some new tricks that they can kind of

896
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: spring on the opposition. I'm excited to see both of

897
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: these guys, but really excited to see coach around back

898
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. Yeah, no, I was, you know, knowing

899
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: knowing you and knowing the dynamics of that program and

900
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: hearing you explain it, it makes more sense of why

901
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: they did go in that direction. As somebody that is

902
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: proud of my program and proud of my coach, I

903
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: was surprised they didn't talk to Scott Sadderfield. It's kind

904
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: of a weird position for me to be in because

905
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: I have I have a good relationship with with coach Sadderfield.

906
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: He was coaching there when I was there, um, and

907
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm id love to see him stay at app State

908
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: as somebody went to school there because the program is

909
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: in great shape and they continue to ascend UM. But

910
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: the other side of it too, as you want him

911
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: to be wanted, just been be respected for the job

912
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: that he's done there and being in State, I thought, man,

913
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: I can't believe in North carolina't even talked to him.

914
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: But hearing you kind of describe it, it makes more

915
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: sense if this was this was not really an X

916
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: and OS on the field football decision, more of a

917
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: family decision. It is more family decision, And you know,

918
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: it's funny because in back to back off season we've

919
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: kind of seen the CEO types of herm Edwards at

920
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: Arizona State, kind of being a CEO guy, having the

921
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: coaches runner, but he kind of said the vision of

922
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: the program, and we're saying it's been okay, there's seven

923
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: and five. They had a decent year, but this guy

924
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: has played hard for him. We'll see if coach Brown

925
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: kind of is able to use that same model to

926
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: get North Carolina jump started. Um. I think it's fascinating

927
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: what is going going into college football landscape when it

928
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: comes to these coaching jobs and these hires, because everyone

929
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: is looking for the hot offensive guru that can kind

930
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: of jump started the thing that I'm seeing. Though everyone

931
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: plays the same style ball, at some point you have

932
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: to be a little different if you're gonna make some gains. Um.

933
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: I kind of liken it to U s C. I

934
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: was having a conversation with a former Trojan about USC

935
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: after Clay Hilton was announced that he was going to return,

936
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: and I said, man, what's funny about USC is USC

937
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: to me is a blue blood uh, a blue blood organization,

938
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: blue blood program, top five, top five programs, top five program.

939
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: Yet they are playing as if no disrespect to Washington State,

940
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: but they play like their Washington State. They have superior athletes,

941
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: but yet they play a style that is almost what

942
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: I call a trick Um Dickham style, rather than we're

943
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: better than you, We're gonna knock you out and that's

944
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: how we play. It has to be disappointing for s

945
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: c A Lumps to look at it and be like, man,

946
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: why are we doing all of this stuff when we

947
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: are a team that should be able to play like Alabama,

948
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Oklahoma, any of those teams. Yeah, clips are

949
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: like they should be an established prodent. They get five

950
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: star recruits from all over, even if they just stay

951
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: in their backyard in southern California, they should be better

952
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: than some of the teams that they're losing to. It

953
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: has to be disappointed when you look at them. Well,

954
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: you talk about that real quick here with Clay Helton

955
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: coming back, Um, that was an interesting press release. They

956
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: talked about how Lyn Swan said, you know, we realize

957
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: there are some deficiencies and name culture, toughness, leadership, Like

958
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: it was like on and on and on like like

959
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: that ain't like a small problem, Therey buddy, and then

960
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: you hear Clay Helton reference. You know, this is just

961
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: like what Notre Dame was. This is a blip. You know.

962
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: Notre Dame had that year a couple of years ago,

963
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: that that down year, I had all those injuries, and

964
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: I think they didn't go to a bowl game, and

965
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: then they bounced back the next year and they've been

966
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: great ever since. He said, you know, because coach made

967
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: a couple of changes. No, no no, no, he didn't make

968
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: a couple of changes far like seventeen guys. They cleaned

969
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: out the whole operation. So I don't know if Clay Helton,

970
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: that's the challenge, is gonna be. Everybody says, a great guy,

971
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: and we've been we've been around him. He Clay is

972
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: an awesome guy. Greg. I think he's a good football coach.

973
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: I think he's a great guy. But this needs to

974
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: be a gut job. I mean, he has to completely

975
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: gut this organization. I don't know if he's going to

976
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: do that. Well. A couple of things because uh, a

977
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: few years ago, before they got back on track and

978
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: he got him into the championship game, he talked about Stanford,

979
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: and he talked about the way Stanford played, their level

980
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: of toughness. He talked about the way Stanford can run

981
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: the ball, that they can physically overwhelm you. Well, his

982
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: words don't match what I see when I look at

983
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: SE play. When I say they're not a physical team,

984
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: they're not a tough team, and they're very, very ask

985
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: in the way they approach it. I believe if i'm SC,

986
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: SC is built on student body, right. The one thing

987
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: that we're going to do, we're gonna go back to

988
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: the old John McKay days. We're gonna line up in

989
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: the I formation. We're gonna come downhill. And that's not

990
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: saying that you have to necessarily abandon the spread, but

991
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a mindset of mentality. You

992
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: can run us see needs to run the football. They

993
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: need to be a physical team, and I would expect

994
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: them to play like Notre Dame plays. The one thing

995
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: that I see when I look at Notre Dame, they

996
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: are a physical, hard nosed team. SC has to figure

997
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: out how to establish or reestablish that toughness and their

998
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: grit in their program this offseason. That's a bigger question. Though.

999
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: The bigger question is do you do you who do

1000
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: you train and develop toughness or do you recruit toughness.

1001
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: I think the question I think it's a little bit

1002
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: of both. I think you have to you have to

1003
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: recruit tough guys. I want tough, hardness guys, guys who

1004
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: have a story. And then everyone in the program that

1005
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: is coaching toughness has to be at the forefront of

1006
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: everything that we do in the strength and conditioning program,

1007
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: how we go about our practices. Physicality and toughness have

1008
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: to be priorities at SC. The other thing real quick here,

1009
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: just a touch on one game. I don't wanting to

1010
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: get into many of these games here, but the big

1011
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: one was Ohio State smashing Michigan, and we talked about

1012
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: it off fair Buck and to me, it was just

1013
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: man it there was a there was a speed difference

1014
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: on that field. There's a speed difference. And for all

1015
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: of the things that I give Jim Harbor a ton

1016
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: of credit for, I do believe Michigan is tough. I

1017
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: do believe they're physical. I like the way that they

1018
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: play stylistically. However, in a game like that against Ohio State,

1019
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: you saw the deficiencies when it comes to athletes. Oh

1020
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: Ohio State's team is built like an SEC team when

1021
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: it comes to their overall team speed, and so the

1022
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: games that Michigan must make on Ohio State, they have

1023
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: to become faster. They have to be able to match

1024
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: their athletes with their explosiveness a secondary. Especially until they're

1025
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: able to do that, they're gonna have a tough time

1026
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: going toe to toe with Ohio State, whether it's at

1027
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: home or away. Last one here seven overtime game and

1028
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: win for Texas A and M against l s U. Uh,

1029
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: they're in college station. I was trying to think back.

1030
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: I know my red shirt freshman year, I think might

1031
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: have been one of the first years that they had overtime. Uh.

1032
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: I was just back in nineties seven. Um, but I

1033
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: do remember playing in three games at Northeast Louisiana. That

1034
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: you're three overtime games, and I think I played in one.

1035
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: I know I played one overtime game. Uh, no more

1036
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: than one, but one. I know we beat Wake Forest

1037
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: in overtime. My sophomore year when I was at App States,

1038
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 1: I played maybe a handful overtime games. The most maybe

1039
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: went to the second I don't maybe even one went

1040
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: to the third overtime. But man, seven overtimes. Have you

1041
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: ever played anything like that. No. In high school, we

1042
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: played a triple overtime game on homecoming and I remember

1043
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: being absolutely tapped out and exhausted. Um, I can imagine

1044
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: playing a seven overtime game. I think that's man. You

1045
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: talk about health and safety of your players, you are

1046
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: really really empty and seven bucket and those from an

1047
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: emotional standpoint, from a physical exertion uh standpoint as well.

1048
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: It is just tough to kind of get it going

1049
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: for that long. But look, hats off to Texas and

1050
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: them for being able to pull off. A hats off

1051
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: to l s US guys. I don't think if you're

1052
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: at Ogran you can come and be disappointed, because I

1053
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: believe both teams empty the bucket. It's just one of

1054
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: those things where texting them made one more place in

1055
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: l s U was able to make. No question. All right,

1056
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: that's uh. Let's see what happens here in these championship games.

1057
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: We'll talk about those on the next episode here on

1058
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: Move the Sticks, there's gonna be some fun games to preview.

1059
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: I will not mention anymore about me being in first

1060
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: place on the college picks, because that's just bragging and

1061
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: that's not what I do. That's not what I'm uh,

1062
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: but looking forward to picking those games tomorrow. Anything you're

1063
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: working on here you want to promote here, No, just

1064
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: uh continue to begin to put together this list of

1065
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: prospects that we gotta look. Man. I feel like a

1066
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: little bit behind when it comes to looking at the prospects,

1067
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: but I'll jump on it. And then trying to put

1068
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: the schedule together for the Bowl game tour. What games

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Speaker 1: came we hit up to see these top prospects in

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Speaker 1: these marquee games, right, well, well have something to uh

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Speaker 1: to discuss here. On the next episode we jump into

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Speaker 1: uh these championship games and where we could be headed

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Speaker 1: for these Bowl game matchups. That's gonna do it for

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Speaker 1: it today. Thank you guys for listening, downloading, leaving us

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Speaker 1: a review on Apple podcast. We do appreciate that. Uh

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Speaker 1: can nice work, Cam, nice work. Uh, David Singer, great

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Speaker 1: job getting us the guests that he gets us each

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Speaker 1: and every week on With the Sticks. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: next time and it will be shortly here on Move

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Speaker 1: the Sticks. Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel

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