1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: Hey, Colin, you're a front runner. You like the Dodgers, 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: and I like good restaurants and nice bourbon. I mean, 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: what am I supposed to like? Average stuff? 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: Like? 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Who wants to watch bad baseball? I like the Mariners 13 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: when they're good again. I didn't like them for about 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: twenty five years. I like the griffy Mariners, and then 15 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: I got frustrated. Got to keep yourself happy. This whole 16 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: loyalty thing that's for the birds, all right. Eric Mangini 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: is joining us. I'm sure he loved that. First things First, 18 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: you loved it being kind of a marcious, So it's 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: pretty exciting. It's pretty exciting when you watch something like 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: Drake May happen and you're like, Wow, they've got their guy. 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: Do you think Mike Vrabel is even a little surprised? 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Like end of last year, Drake to six games. Drake, 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: I mean, Eric, he looks really good. He's got one 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: awful pick this year. You think Rabel's even surprised a little. 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really surprised. When you and I have talked 26 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 4: about him in the past, I thought he looked a 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 4: lot like Sam Darnold coming out of college and Sam Darnold. 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: It took a lot of time, and now he's seems 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 4: in the last year and a half becoming the quarterback 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 4: that people thought he would be. But that's who I 31 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 4: saw in the first year, saw elements of that as well. 32 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: The biggest benefit to me is Josh McDaniels and the 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 4: combination of Josh McDaniels and Mike Rabel. Josh does a 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 4: great job of creating an offense that quarterback can be 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 4: successful in, and he's done a great job with young 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 4: quarterbacks historically. Remember he brought Mac Jones to the Pro 37 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 4: Bowl when they were together, and Mac was first there. 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 4: So the progress that he's made is substantiale I think 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 4: he's got a chance to continue with it just based 40 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 4: off of that combination of him, Josh and Braves. 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: Speaking of young quarterbacks, I said this about Caleb the 42 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: two big concerns in college consistent accuracy still a problem 43 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: and playing with instructure. Now I think the latter has 44 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: gotten better. He's holding the ball a bit too long, 45 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: but I do think he's playing with instructure. I mean, 46 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: this kid could run every play if you wanted to. 47 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: He's really special. But the accuracy thing, Eric, I don't 48 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: know if you ever come into this league and your 49 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: accuracy is inconsistent. I guess Josh Allen has cleaned it up. 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: When you look at Caleb, what's correctable and what does 51 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson just have to live with. 52 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 4: I'm encouraged by Caleb and and you see the wild 53 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 4: plays from him, and then we've seen it over the 54 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 4: last two years from him, but there were all the 55 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 4: mistakes and all the other problems that that went with that, 56 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 4: and and the encouraging thing to me this year is 57 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 4: is sacks have come way down. That that's that's a 58 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 4: that's a big issue, that's been a big issue for him. 59 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 4: And the fact that he's improved there I think is significant. 60 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 4: And every game that he continues to play with Ben Johnson, 61 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 4: Ben Johnson gets to know him better, he gets to 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: understand the system better. Now he's gotten some wins. He's 63 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 4: strung some wins together, so there's confidence that that he's having, 64 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 4: and then the guys around him start started getting confidence 65 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 4: and that that can be contagious. So it's it's not perfect, 66 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 4: but it's it's a lot better and and it's encouraging. 67 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 4: And he's going to be graded at a pretty significant 68 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 4: curve because of where he he came in. But but 69 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 4: to me, if I'm a Chicago Bears fan, I think 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: there's a lot to be happy about. 71 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: So I tend to watch and I've done this for years. 72 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm I'm maybe I'm generalizing, but I do watch 73 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: body language, and I do watch coaches, and I do 74 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: watch quarterbacks. And I remember Jay Cutler early in his career. 75 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't like his body language out on 76 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: the sideline title. Yeah, I didn't like Kyler Murray and 77 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: I like Cutter. I don't like his body language. I've 78 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: been critical of Aaron when he was a packer in 79 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: his prime, and you know, I just I you know, 80 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: I kind of look at Sean Payton and I thought 81 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: last week in London he got frustrated with bow Nixt 82 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: a couple of times. And I think between Mims, Courtland 83 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: Sutton and Franklin, Evan Ingram Eric. Those are good players. 84 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: Those are guys that can beat you and separate down 85 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: the field. You could have a really nice rangy deep game, 86 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: and Bo's not good at it right now. He struggles 87 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: in the deep ball, like missing badly. And I kind 88 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: of watched Seawan and I thought, Sean, this is this 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: is now? Okay, kid, you know you've had twenty stars. 90 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: What do you do when you realize your your quarterback 91 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: may have a hole and you can't necessarily fix it. 92 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, It's it's hard when you're in that situation, and 93 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 4: it's it's hard when you're Saun Peyton. Think about all 94 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 4: those years that he lived with Drew Brees and all 95 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 4: the things that Drew Brees could do, and it wasn't 96 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,119 Speaker 4: just what he could do athletically, but it's what Sean 97 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: was able to do with the offense creatively, whether it 98 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 4: was shifts, motions, multiple personnel groups. They put so much 99 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 4: pressure on you as an offense because of what the 100 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 4: two could do combined. So now Sean wants to be 101 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 4: able to do all those same things offensively, but he's 102 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 4: got a guy that has limitation and it's not just 103 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: the physical limitations, but it's an experienced limitation, and unfortunately, 104 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 4: he's gonna have to continue to be patient with it, 105 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 4: and they're gonna have to have a consistent running game. 106 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 4: Against the Jets, they couldn't run the ball very well. No, 107 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 4: they they had an offensive lineman. Their guard was subbing 108 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 4: in and and he was actually hurt during the game. 109 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 4: He's now on ir So there are problems on the 110 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 4: offensive line. There are multiple penalties that that hurt him 111 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 4: as well. That the luxury they have in Denver is 112 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: they're getting saved by by the defense, so Knicks can 113 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 4: continue to struggle because the defense keeps saving him. I 114 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 4: just don't know at what point Sean's gonna gonna need 115 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 4: more out of his quarterback before, you know, before he 116 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 4: just gives. 117 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: Up on bow. 118 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 4: But he's not there. And the other thing you hear 119 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 4: from Sean all the time is cut it loose. You 120 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 4: know what, what are you telling about Nicks? Move on 121 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: to the next play. Cut it loose, Cut it loose, 122 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: And it just doesn't seem like he's comfortable enough taking 123 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 4: some shots. 124 00:06:54,640 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, the the Buffalo Bills, Nick right, who you know, 125 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: occasionally will draw out a gym. So Nick said he 126 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: went and looked it up that you gotta win with 127 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: your star quarterback if you don't get to super Bowls 128 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: and start winning them when you get that star quarterback 129 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: like you know, a Brady in New England or Mahomes 130 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: or whoever the quarterback is, Big Ben Mike Tomlin very 131 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: early got him to a super Bowl. If you don't 132 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: do it in the first five years, it's not going 133 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: to happen statistically history of the league. They get expensive, 134 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: they get beat up. You have to make sacrifices now 135 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: with a hard cap like you got to you got 136 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: to make when the macon's good. And the truth is, 137 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: I can think that Sean McDermott is very organized, and 138 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: also think in a world of Hardbaugh and Reid and 139 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: Sean Peyton and the AFC Shane Steiken. Now that defense 140 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: has let Buffalo down in these big games and now 141 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: it's a mess. They cannot star run camp. At what 142 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,559 Speaker 1: point it sounds weird Belichick's been fired, Andy Reid's been fired, 143 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: Rabel's been fired. Are we getting to a point here 144 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: as a GM You got to say, guys were going backwards. 145 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: We may need a change at the top. 146 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 4: I can't imagine they're at that point right now. And 147 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: to Josh Allen's credit, he didn't come in as anywhere 148 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 4: close to a finished product and he got significantly better. 149 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 4: And the reason he won the MVP last year is 150 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 4: he took care of the biggest problem he had, which 151 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 4: was which was turnovers. And now this year those turnovers 152 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 4: are starting to creep back up. And last game, you 153 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: could look the two picks and the one pick didn't 154 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: lead to points, you know in the first half, and 155 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 4: the second pick they were down by ten. You know, 156 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 4: they would add to you have an ounce, I take it, 157 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 4: but it's still it's still a turnover, and it's still 158 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 4: something that had he had pretty much eliminated last season. 159 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 4: But I would imagine if you're Josh Allen, you feel 160 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 4: like you got to be Superman when Bjon Robinson's for 161 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy yards and then and then what 162 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 4: is it, Drake London has ten catches for one sixty 163 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 4: or whatever he had, and it's just it's just so 164 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 4: hard because he wants to play in the way that 165 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 4: that brings him success. But when when you're sitting on 166 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 4: the sideline and they're running up and down the field 167 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: on you and you can't get back on the field. 168 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 4: You have you feel like you have to be Superman 169 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: every play, And to me, that's that's what hurts Josh Allen. 170 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, wrap it up with this. Did you ever think 171 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield would be this good? 172 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 4: No? 173 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: No? 174 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 4: And you and I talked about Baker a lot when 175 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 4: he first came out, and I felt like it was 176 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 4: it was different than confidence. It was a lot of 177 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 4: arrogance early on, and that served him well to some degree. 178 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 4: And I think the sort of hero's journey that he's 179 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: gone on with with being traded by the Browns and 180 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: then a couple of different stops, now getting Tampa Bay, 181 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 4: it's not it's not air against anymore. It's confidence and 182 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 4: and that, to me, is is different and it resonates. 183 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 4: And even as he's playing these guys that he you know, 184 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 4: that haven't had playtime, he appreciates those guys. He enjoys 185 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 4: having those guys because he's he's been there. He's been 186 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 4: the guy that had to climb back up up the mounds. 187 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 4: So h that this new version of Baker two point 188 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 4: oh or three point oh, it's it's really good. And 189 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 4: the main concern I have for him is he takes 190 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 4: a lot of chances physically. Yeah, and I just don't 191 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 4: know if that if that's sustainable over the course of 192 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 4: the season. 193 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, one more. You coached in New York. Uh, 194 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: and the Cleveland media where you coached is also pretty bitter. 195 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: But in New York they're not bitter. They're aggressive. And 196 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: I think that the New York, Boston, Philadelphia media feeds 197 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: into it that you have to be aggressive because your 198 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: your rivals at the local newspaper, TV station or talk 199 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: radio station or aggressive. So you can come in as 200 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: a fairly passive guy and you've still got to be 201 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: aggressive because the New York, Philly, Boston media it's you 202 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 1: got to have teeth, you got to have bite and 203 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: so as you know, and but Eric, you were man genius. 204 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: They loved you initially they did. They loved you, and 205 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: then they can be tough on people you. You were 206 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: welcomed the Aaron Glenn thing after this past weekend with 207 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: the coaching at the end of the first half and 208 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: at the end of the game. Owners now fire after 209 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: one year. They're all billionaires. They're not one hundred millionaires. 210 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: They're billionaires. What's too early to fire a coach? What 211 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: would surprise you if Aaron Glenn got fired in three weeks? 212 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: Would you be shocked? 213 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would be shocked. But here's here's what I 214 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 4: think is fair from from an ownership perspective. And when 215 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 4: you come in as a head coach, you outline your vision, 216 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 4: you outline your values, you outline your process, and as 217 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 4: the season unfolds, it may not go the way that 218 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 4: you wanted to. But if you can show to the 219 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 4: ownership how that, how the vision is your movie towards that, 220 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 4: how you're reinforcing the values you said their team was 221 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 4: going to have, and how your process is making some 222 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 4: sort of of progress, then then ownership can take a 223 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 4: look at that and say, okay, we'll we'll be patient. 224 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: But part of being a head coach, and especially a 225 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 4: young head coach, is there needs to be some humbleness too. 226 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 4: You can believe wholeheartedly in what you're doing, but you 227 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 4: need to have a little bit of humbleness to know 228 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 4: that you don't know everything. And then you also need 229 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 4: to have the strength of character as to when you 230 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 4: make a mistake to say, okay, I'm going to change this. 231 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 4: I'm not just going to stick with this because it's 232 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: a decision I made. And and that's the that's the 233 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 4: line that you walk as a new head coach, and 234 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 4: especially a new head coach that's not having success. And 235 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 4: then you have the game like you had last week, 236 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 4: where there's historic, you know, numbers that that aren't very good. 237 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 4: Woody Woody is is patient to a point. I wouldn't 238 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 4: put them on the high pay scale, but you better 239 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 4: be able to show something positive based off of what 240 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 4: you brought in. 241 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the Jets, you know, they argued to 242 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: the media, Hey we gave Sola years. I always have 243 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: this theory that if you've got a really smart guy 244 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: in the building, like Mike Rable, you don't let him go. 245 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: It's I got a company like like I thought Robert 246 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: Solo was too good of a defensive coach to fire him. 247 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: You know, I if you're going to do it, man, 248 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: you better have somebody ready, not an interim guy. I 249 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: I just when I watched that game against Denver, it 250 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: was a little malpractice there. Some of that coaching did 251 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: not make any sense to me at all. 252 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and look, if you have a game 253 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 4: like that, you can't go up and sit in front 254 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 4: of the media and lecture them and and and tell 255 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 4: them they know better when when they asked you a question, 256 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 4: they're not going to stand for that. They they've been 257 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 4: watching a lot of football for a lot of years 258 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 4: and and they're really knowledgeable. So if you're going to 259 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 4: start lecturing from your podium after getting a beat down, 260 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 4: you better be ready for the repercussions. 261 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: Eric Mangini, first things first, he'll be fighting off Nick Wright. 262 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: You know, the only downside of the Chiefs winning is 263 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: you know those shows get you know what see Centric. 264 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 265 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: No, it's not that I'm fine with it being a 266 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: lot of Chiefs. I just don't want, you know, Nick out. 267 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: They're using the hammer whack a mole on all his 268 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: panelists there. He could be kind of tough on you guys. 269 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, you know, they win one game 270 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 4: after having thirteen penalties against Jacksonville, and they're going to 271 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 4: the super Bowl. 272 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: According to Nick Nick, all right, great scene. 273 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: We'll see it. 274 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: Come. 275 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,119 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 276 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: in neon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 277 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app HI. 278 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 5: This is Jay I'm the producer of the Paula and 279 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 5: Tony Fusco Show. 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Turn on the news. 290 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News, all right, Colin. 291 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: We touched on the Penn State head coaching vacancy earlier. 292 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: This Marcus Freeman stuff. I mean, listen, Joe cladd addressed it. 293 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: I would say there's zero point zero percent chance that 294 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: Freeman entertains it. Wherever the Bears were looking at him 295 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: in January, Colin, that was in the National Championship in January. 296 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: He's going back. 297 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 3: To the playoff if they beat usc this weekend. 298 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: What's your big favorites. 299 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: I cannot envision a world where Freeman even gives this 300 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 3: an ounce of thought. This will be a clear step 301 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 3: down for him. His next stop is the NFL. 302 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: Came Yeah, I think his next up is the NFL. 303 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: That's a good point. I I I didn't even think. 304 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost disrespectful to Notre Dame. Yeah, it's 305 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: like because I think Notre Dame is a better program. 306 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going to put him in order, but I 307 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: think there's about seven programs that are just perfect. You know, 308 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: you're Michigan, You're Ohio States. I think Notre Dame is 309 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, everybody's got something. I mean Notre Dame. It's 310 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: tough academically. Oregon is kind of out. You know, Oregon's 311 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: not a state with a lot of division on high 312 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: school players. Ohio State's about as good a program as 313 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: you're going to get where you can get anybody mostly in. 314 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: It's committed, it's got money. 315 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: You know. 316 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: Columbus is a sizable city. There's stuff to do there. 317 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: You can take a recruit out, there's stuff to do. 318 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: It's a fun town. So I'm I mean, now, listen, 319 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly left Notre Dame for LSU. So I think 320 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: it's a great job. But I think the Notre Dame 321 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: job is one of those eight years and it's great, 322 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: Like it's like Yank managing the Yankees, like it's just 323 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron Boone I know fairly well. You know, 324 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: I've had dinner with Aaron before and we've had a 325 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: lot of conversations before he was the Yankee manager. I 326 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: think his personality is built for that job, and maybe 327 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman's. But you know, Brian Kelly was so intense. 328 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: The intensity of the job wore him out, and maybe 329 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: Brian wore himself out. But I do think I think 330 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: it's a good point. I think Freeman's next stop is 331 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: an NFL job, and I think if he coaches seven 332 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: or eight years, he'll have so many of his players 333 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: in the NFL that he'll enter somewhere in the NFL 334 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: that's got five guys from the Irish on the roster 335 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: and he can draft three more, and I think that matters. 336 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: I think Harbaugh, you know, he's got so many guys 337 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 1: around the league that he's touched that are you know, 338 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: so there Jim came in the second time, he could 339 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: bring his staff. He had the quarterback that you know, 340 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: the LA media is not as relentless and doesn't have 341 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: as much bite. So I think Freeman about six to 342 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: eight years at Notre Dame and then he's in. 343 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: It could be shorter than that. And I forgot you 344 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 3: just talked so glowingly about Ohio State. Freeman's got some 345 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: connections to Ohio State. So I guess that's enough. If 346 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: Ryan Day says I've had enough, I went back to 347 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: back whatever. 348 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm going to the NFL or time whatever 349 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: it is interesting. Brian Kelly went Notre Dame, LSU, Lincoln, Riley, Oklahoma, USC. 350 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: I mean it happens. I just don't think it happens here. Yeah, 351 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: it definitely doesn't it. 352 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I want to push back on what 353 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 3: Klatt said, and I got to ask you this, like, 354 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: doesn't it not look good if you're Penn State and 355 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 3: you're calling, Hey, let's call Nick Saban, let's call Marcus Rude, 356 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: and then you're calling all these guys in whipping. I 357 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 3: know the perception, who cares what the outside things. But 358 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 3: at the same time, Colin, doesn't it look like, well, maybe. 359 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: This isn't a great job. 360 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 3: If those guys are not even entertaining it, is it that. 361 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: Good of a job. 362 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: Good point again. 363 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 3: Just all right, let's move on to story you've been 364 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: waiting for for two hours. Skinny Luca making his preseason 365 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 3: debut cooking, I mean cooking the Phoenix Suns twenty five, 366 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 3: seven and four, only played twenty two minutes. Basically unstoppable. 367 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 3: I liked that he was getting to the line. He 368 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 3: looked a lot more spry. Skinny Luca pretty much unstoppable. 369 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: Colin I know NBA preseason it's fantastic. Go ahead, rip 370 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: the Suns take shots. 371 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: No, I mean, listen, it's nobody dominates G League players 372 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: like Luca. I do think between Lebron's injury and Luca's, 373 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: I mean, he does look just different. He looks like 374 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: rookie year Luca so am. I. I think he's going 375 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: to dominate possession time like he's going to lead the 376 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: NBA and ball in hand, he's going to lead it, 377 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: and I think he should as Lebron's aging. I said, 378 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: Lebron's going to have to play off ball more than 379 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: he's ever played because Luca's not given the rock up 380 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: and Austin Reeves likes the ball, and they're both younger, 381 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: and they're both in their athletic prime. So I think 382 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: that's not a terrible thing for Lebron. But this is 383 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: now skinny Luca is thirty two points a game, Luca, 384 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: and it's and it's ball centric Luca. And at this 385 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: point I'm okay with that. I think Lebron should downshift 386 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: to sixty games. And and by the way, thirty three 387 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: minutes tonight, that's where I think Lebron's at. 388 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: And also, listen, Luca's doing small things. I know you 389 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 3: don't follow the Lakers on social media, but he took 390 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 3: the team to a car dealership and they raced around tracks. 391 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: He's like switching jerseys with players at practice. He's you 392 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 3: can tell that clearly that offseason talk with the GM, 393 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: and he's taken on a leadership role with the Laker. 394 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 3: Let me ask you this. 395 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: Here's another little thing. Did he did he talk about defense? 396 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: But playing defense? That little thing? Yeah? 397 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a solid defender when he wants to be. 398 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be locked in this year. 399 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: I know the car dealership was cute. If he could 400 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: guard somebody, I'd appreciate that. 401 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 6: All right. 402 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: I see what we're doing here. 403 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: We're pushing back on the Lakers. 404 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. 405 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: Season ahead final story, Colin is, this is a little 406 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 3: wacky again. It's goofy to talk MVP, it's goofy to 407 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 3: talk playoffs. But Colin, we have an image here of 408 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 3: the top seeds the current playoff teams through six games. 409 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: This is about thirty five percent of the season. 410 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 3: Colin, your Kansas City Chiefs are not currently in the playoffs. 411 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: That's how rotten they've been. Now this will be a 412 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 3: crazy playoffs. If this holds, it won't no Joe Burrow, 413 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 3: no Lamar Jackson, no Patrick Mahomes. I'm I don't know 414 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: that the NFL is ready for a postseason like that. 415 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: Jackson Jackson, Bill's gonna unravel. I think the Chargers when 416 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: Alton Hampton come back, will stabilize. I think Kansas City 417 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: for sure is gonna make it. I'm not sure Buffalo will. 418 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 3: Oh sheez, you're overreacting. 419 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: Come on, okay, you're. 420 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: Not sure Buffalo is gonna make the playoffs. 421 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: Have you seen their schedule? 422 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: Could we get the bill schedule on the screen? 423 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 3: Cowhert needs to see twelve wins. 424 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: They're gonna be fine. 425 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 3: Brokay, oh my god, Now make the playoffs. 426 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm just saying Denver Chargers, Chiefs could all make the 427 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: playoffs from the AFC West. And by the way, the 428 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: Colts are a playoff team. Yes, okay, Well what of 429 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: Houston this week? See Houston goes Seattle, Seattle and that's 430 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: a two and a half three point spread. Houston wins 431 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: that game. Okay, Jackson Bill's good. Remember these Southern conferences. 432 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just easier schedules. So I New England's 433 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: not going away. Here's a bill schedule. 434 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 3: So right, they're on a buy this week, licked their 435 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: wounds come out of it. They'll smash the Panthers. The 436 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: matchup with your boy Patrick Mahomes. Bill's will win that, 437 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: so they'll be six and two. Then they beat the 438 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 3: Dolphins Tampa Bay. 439 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 2: Go either way. 440 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: I guess Houston, you know, you know what, I see 441 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: a lot of apps and a road down line. App Ah, 442 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: Houston at Pittsburgh, I see a lot of apps. At 443 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: New England, I don't those games. Those are Hey. That defense, 444 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: I just watched them get pushed around by Atlanta. Drake 445 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: London had ten catches. Fat, don't tell me there are 446 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: bad run defenses have a way of keeping Josh Allen 447 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 1: on the sidelines. The worst thing you can have when 448 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: you have a great quarterback is a bad run defense. 449 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: You can have holes everywhere. Your run defense is bad, 450 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: You're in trouble because that means John that you're gonna 451 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: lose time of possession. Teams are gonna convert third downs. 452 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: This run defense is horrible for Buffalo. 453 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: Well, just like how Raci Rice is gonna save the Chiefs. 454 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 3: Matt Milano one of the great linebackers in the NFL. 455 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: He's coming back from injury soon after the buye. He'll 456 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 3: save everything. He'll stop, He'll plug the run defense holes. 457 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 3: Bill's a winning eleven or twelve games. 458 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: Calling, all right, jmck with the news. 459 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 460 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: Herd Line News. 461 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: Last baseball postseason, do you remember seeing the Red Ostrich 462 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: on the baseball batting helmet strap That was a first 463 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: brand ever with their logo in a postseason batting helmet. 464 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: The Red Ostrich stood out what's strauss? Well? 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Not a em Pacific. 480 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: Part of baseball that is fun that you can play 481 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: along with baseball, and you get into these high leverage situations. 482 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: So in Game one, Blake Snell pitched for the Dodgers 483 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: and was as good as anybody has been since they 484 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: said Don Larson. It was Kofax level. And then Dave 485 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: Roberts decided, even though he wasn't struggling at all, retired 486 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: seventeen straight. Milwaukee could not hit the ball out of 487 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: the infield since the third inning, and they went to 488 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: the bullpen and I wouldn't have done that. It's game one. 489 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: Prioritized the moment, right, you prioritize today over you know, 490 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: setting up your bullpen. So Dave Roberts said after when 491 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: they went to the bullpen and it was it was wobbly. 492 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts said, it was fifty to fifty. So I 493 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: would have gone with Snell there. He was on fire. 494 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: They couldn't hit the ball of the outfield infield. He's 495 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: great over one hundred pitches. It's the opener, and I 496 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: don't want a rookie on the road taking over for him. Okay, 497 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: but yesterday was different. So Yoshi Imamoto was not as 498 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: good as Snell, though dominant, but you already had a 499 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: one oh series lead. You already had a one oh 500 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: series lead, and you had a four run cushion. And 501 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: now it's game two. There's less pressure, so to me, 502 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: a lot of it. It's so circumstantial and situational. Okay, 503 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: I want to win a game before I experiment. I 504 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't have gone to the bullpen with Snell because I 505 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: just want it's game one. He'll have plenty of rest. 506 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: But Dave Roberts, I mean even the announcers last night, 507 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: we're speculating what is Dave Roberts going to do now 508 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: here with Yoshi? 509 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: And now, if you're Dave Roberts, you have to start 510 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: thinking seriously about allowing Almimota to finish this game. 511 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 6: I don't think he's going to finish this thing just 512 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 6: because of the big delay in the eighth inning, because 513 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 6: the offense of the Dodgers. He's going to give him 514 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 6: this inning, and I think Vanda will probably finish it 515 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 6: in the ninth. But let's see, I mean, we're watching 516 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 6: baseball from the seventies and eighties now with this kind 517 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 6: of starting pitching by the Dodgers. 518 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, it's listen. It worked, and so 519 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: backseat Driver is sort of powerless. It worked. I just 520 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: would have done the opposite. I would have stuck with 521 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: now and gone to the bullpen. But you know, it worked. 522 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: And I also think, you know, whatever analytics tells you 523 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: to do, Analytics basically wants you after the sixth inning, 524 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: they want you to go to the bullpen. But postseason 525 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: baseball is different. There's jobs on the line. There's so 526 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: much money on the line that you know, Dave's like, 527 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: I just like the look of him. I mean, just 528 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: think about what it came down to. Dave was like, 529 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: I like the look, I like the feeld, I like 530 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: the body language, I like the vibe. Here was Dave 531 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: roberts response after last night's decision. 532 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,239 Speaker 7: I see a real confidence. I think that's what it is. 533 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 7: I think that, you know, last year, certainly there was 534 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 7: a transition, and even in the postseason I didn't give 535 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 7: him a whole lot of leash. But I think this 536 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 7: year he's got true confidence. For me that third time 537 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 7: through at pitch ninety, he feels that he's the best option. 538 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 7: And so I think for me, that just gives me 539 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 7: that confidence. 540 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: You know, think about this last year, as they were 541 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: battling in the playoffs, there were people that went out 542 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: and said, I don't know if Dave Roberts is the guy. 543 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, But Aaron Boone gets criticized he's two 544 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: player friendly, and Dave Roberts similarly two player friendly. Let 545 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: me throw a theory out to you. So, I used 546 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: to work in minor league baseball, and baseball is so 547 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: different because the season is so long. If you start 548 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: with training until the end, you're with these guys for 549 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: two hundred, two hundred days, and the players have to 550 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: like you. They I remember Jimmy Rawlins, the former Philly 551 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: telling me it takes one guy to ruin a clubhouse. 552 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: Takes one guy to ruin a clubhouse. The players really 553 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: like Dave Roberts, and if you're going to make an 554 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: air like Aaron Booner, Dave Roberts the air or Pat Murphy, 555 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: the air has to be you were too loyal. NFL 556 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: is different. You can just cut guys, you can trade them, 557 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: cut them, get rid of them. It's a coach dominated, 558 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: GM dominated sport. But baseball you have longer contracts, more guarantees, 559 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: and you are together for so long that I'm going 560 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: to support like the player friendly manager, you're trying to 561 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: build trust. I would rather I would rather lose a 562 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: game in the short term, not in the playoffs. I'd 563 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: rather lose a game on loyalty. I think that'll play well. 564 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: I think that that I'm not saying ice cream for 565 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: breakfast parent, but I think Aaron Boone and Dave Roberts 566 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: tend to be very, very hospitable and trust my guy managers. 567 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: So I met last year they played the Podres. That 568 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: was the craziest series the Dodgers threw a bullpen game 569 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: and it was I think it was like a shutout. 570 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: It was an insane series. But they trailed the Podreys 571 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: last year two to one in the first round of 572 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and there was and the Podreys were young 573 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: and cocky and had good energy, and then the Dodgers 574 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: eventually steamrolled them. But you know, I thought Milwaukee and 575 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: Philadelphia were going to give Los Angeles trouble. But the 576 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: bullpen's been fined because they're not using it much. I mean, 577 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: the starting pitching is just insane. And that's the Mariners 578 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: Blue Jay series. I mean, Yankees. Maybe if Garrett Cole 579 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: was available for the Yankees, it's different, But no Dodger 580 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: fan had great faith in the bullpen, and it's just 581 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: really Mo Sleeve been a non factor. Steamrolled Cincinnati and 582 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: Philadelphia and now Milwaukee. We'll see you tomorrow. 583 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: It's a hurt.