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Speaker 1: What are here is get the time? Hello? This is

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Speaker 1: Alan Schipknuck back for another Fire Drill podcast. I am

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Speaker 1: joined by an illustrious duo Jeff Ogilvie from all the

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Speaker 1: no worries. Um So, Jeff, we want to talk about

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Speaker 1: but it's gone a pretty through a renovation. What is

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Speaker 1: mean I think you know one, it must have been

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Speaker 1: twenty yards wide and well pretty narrow and fast, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think I mean, you hit the US G

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Speaker 1: a little bit there, which they need to hit every

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Speaker 1: now and then on the eighth green there. But they

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Speaker 1: don't think they had a choice, right, I mean, the

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Speaker 1: mistake probably was made to not fix the picture of

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Speaker 1: the green two years before the tournament I mean, if

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Speaker 1: it's eight degrees or eight percent or whatever this green

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Speaker 1: is and you you just can't have greens at thirteen.

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Speaker 1: You know, you just can't just not going to work.

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Speaker 1: So maybe they should have had all the greens a

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Speaker 1: bit slower that week to match them all up with

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Speaker 1: what they had to have eighteen, or to fix de green,

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Speaker 1: or to chill the green out if you like, a

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Speaker 1: couple of years before. But um, you create a drama

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Speaker 1: and a memorable US Open. So I don't know, we

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Speaker 1: mess up or genius, you know, one or the other.

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Speaker 1: The and my other memory from the eighteenth Green was

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Speaker 1: just Tiger Horse doing out his part for sixty two

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Speaker 1: and oh seven. That was pretty amazing. But anyway, I think, look,

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Speaker 1: I think a great player wins. I think anytime you

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Speaker 1: have undulation, you have side slopes eating upside slopes, and

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Speaker 1: you have requirement hit shape both ways, and you have

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Speaker 1: the short game test you have there, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be one of those sort of complete major winner sort

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Speaker 1: of games. You know, it's going to be Mr Morico

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Speaker 1: or Speed. It's probably a great course for Jordan. At

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Speaker 1: the moment, I would have thought it's fantastic around the

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Speaker 1: greens um, Tiger, clearly it would be a magic for

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Speaker 1: Tiger and his prime. Hopefully you can sort of bring

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Speaker 1: some of that sort of action. But yeah, it'll be

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Speaker 1: one of those it will be one of the big dogs,

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Speaker 1: you would think, because just historically Southern Hills has done that.

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Speaker 1: And it does that because it all the IT asks

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Speaker 1: questions that maybe not everybody has all the answers to,

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Speaker 1: you know, and only really the top sort of ten

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Speaker 1: or fifteen or so guys probably have all those answers.

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Speaker 1: And um, obviously everyone in the IT will can probably win.

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Speaker 1: But generally I have a seventy two holes sort of

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Speaker 1: the crame roses to the top of a plaice like this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that Tiger and oh seven, that was really uh one

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Speaker 1: of his peaks. You know, he we know what he

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Speaker 1: did turn the century. But you know, Hankaney, Steve Williams,

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Speaker 1: they've often contended, and Hanks has he's he's not unbiased observer,

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Speaker 1: but Steve Williams is and he's often said that, you

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Speaker 1: know the Tiger oh six or seven oh eight, that

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Speaker 1: that was actually the best calf you ever played. And

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Speaker 1: I one thing we haven't talked about is that first

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Speaker 1: tea shot is so majestic. You know, it's really like

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Speaker 1: the highest point on the golf course and everything just

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Speaker 1: just falls away from you. I remember being out there

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Speaker 1: on Sunday and, Um, Tiger just hit a bullet down

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Speaker 1: that first ferry, but he held the pose a little

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Speaker 1: extra long and it was almost like he was bronzed,

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Speaker 1: you know, like he was creating his own statue in

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Speaker 1: the in real time. And there's certain shots that he's

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Speaker 1: hit throughout his career. I was, I was standing right

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Speaker 1: there and that one just just sticks out and it

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Speaker 1: was it was a phenomenal for four mints, from from

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Speaker 1: start to fitness. Um, you said Tiger in his prime,

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Speaker 1: obviously he had. He was a little more supple, he

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Speaker 1: had a little more speed. But having observed him around

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Speaker 1: around AUGUSTA this year, Jeff, do you think Tiger still

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Speaker 1: has the short game, still has the hands that that

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Speaker 1: he did back then? I mean, have you seen a

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Speaker 1: difference in just the finesse shots. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: we saw enough for the Masters to know that, but

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Speaker 1: I think he looked pretty good. Um, he had some

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Speaker 1: incredible short shots the Masters. I think the short stuff,

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Speaker 1: he's probably been able to practice it for a lot

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Speaker 1: longer like he's but he would have got back to

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Speaker 1: that sooner. Um. But you're right, oh one, that sort

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Speaker 1: of turning the century Tiger was just sort of perfection

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Speaker 1: if you like. Um that Oh seven was a beautiful guy.

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Speaker 1: He was playing a more attractive version of golf. You know,

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Speaker 1: you were shaping the ball a long way and really

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Speaker 1: sort of crafting his way around the course in a

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Speaker 1: different way. And it wasn't beautiful gay to watch it,

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Speaker 1: oh seven, You're right, Um, I'm sure he has the

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Speaker 1: short game shots and in um in some respects major

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Speaker 1: championships and the really big moments are a bit like

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Speaker 1: riding a bike for some For someone like Tiger, you know,

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Speaker 1: it'll all come back, even if he's not. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: quite a sharp and chipping around the green back at

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Speaker 1: home he gets Southern hills, will be inspired and the

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Speaker 1: pressure and we already him in nineteen Obviously it's a

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Speaker 1: different Tiger now that in nineteen. Um, he gets to

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Speaker 1: that back nine of the Masters, and he just looked

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Speaker 1: like the guy who knew how to win a major,

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Speaker 1: you know, out of everyone else in the thing. And

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Speaker 1: I think that'll all come that all comes back, And

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Speaker 1: if you can sort of, Um, it's quite the walk

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Speaker 1: around southern hills. It's not just it's not a it's

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Speaker 1: not a flat course. Um. So, and he says he's

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Speaker 1: feeling a lot better and he's a lot fitter, and

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Speaker 1: he's a bit stronger. So, um, if his body hangs up,

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Speaker 1: he absolutely he looks like he's got all the shots

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Speaker 1: that he needs, you know, but I mean mental mental

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Speaker 1: sort of prowess or strength was always has always been

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Speaker 1: his sort of best attribute, if you like, or he's

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Speaker 1: sort of where he beats everybody else, I mean everybody,

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Speaker 1: and lots of guys hit good shots, but he seems

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Speaker 1: to do it at the right time and at the

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Speaker 1: right moments, and that can often go with how you feel,

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Speaker 1: you know. We saw at the Masters when he started

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Speaker 1: getting tired, it got a little harder for him. When

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Speaker 1: you get tired, your mental game isn't as strong. And

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Speaker 1: he was always the fittest guy on tour generally when

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Speaker 1: he was at his best. So I think the physical

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Speaker 1: parts will be there with the shots. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's again. Has he had enough time to walk enough

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Speaker 1: golf course, walking off golf holes and just sort of

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Speaker 1: be fully fit and healthy at the end, like coming

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Speaker 1: through eighteen holes every day and can he get ready

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Speaker 1: for next tomorrow? And canna get ready for the next day.

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Speaker 1: It seemed like at the Masters, you certainly had the

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Speaker 1: golf game, but it got harder and harder during the

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Speaker 1: week as he got tirer. I think, so hopefully he's

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Speaker 1: got another six weeks under his belt of fitness and

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Speaker 1: training and recovery in rahab and um not raason why

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Speaker 1: he can't hit all the shots he used to. And

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Speaker 1: that was that's that was amazing. Jeff analysis of Tiger,

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Speaker 1: And I've always had this feeling about Tiger and oh seven,

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Speaker 1: and Jeff particularly if you could just tell me if

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Speaker 1: this might be true or not. They always say, you know,

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Speaker 1: the tour player places one shot at a time, hit

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Speaker 1: the ball, chase it played again, Tiger oh seven Southern Hills.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was one of the greatest performances I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen by a golfer. And I felt like he

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Speaker 1: saw the whole golf course as a chessboard, and he

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Speaker 1: knew ahead of time exactly how the whole thing would

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Speaker 1: play out, and that if he did his thing, even

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Speaker 1: though he was a great scoreboard watcher, if he did

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Speaker 1: his thing, it really didn't matter what Unbles said because

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Speaker 1: he was better than everybody else. And if he did

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Speaker 1: his thing over the hole, the seventy two holes and

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Speaker 1: the whole you know, tunnic of property, whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: he'll win. Uh. And it almost simply like the game

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Speaker 1: almost looked simple because of that. But that's in my head.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if if a great player could would

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Speaker 1: actually ever that way. But yeah, but he thoughts about that.

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Speaker 1: He's certainly he knew what he was doing and he played. Um.

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Speaker 1: That's what, of course, like Southern Hills does and it

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Speaker 1: allows the best player to show why he's the best.

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Speaker 1: And I think it when he gets to historically, whenever

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Speaker 1: he got to venues or has got the venues like

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Speaker 1: Southern Hills, it's he seems more inspired to sort of

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Speaker 1: show off. Um. The most recent version was I think, um,

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Speaker 1: Royal Melbourne last in the two thousand nineteen Presidents Cup

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Speaker 1: and he just put on a clinic of how to

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Speaker 1: play a golf course like that and he was the

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Speaker 1: best of the twenty four players by a long way.

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Speaker 1: Because it just he's just inspired to kind of show

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Speaker 1: off and go guys, no, no, no, no, this is actually,

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Speaker 1: how you play golf on a golf course like this.

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Speaker 1: Just watched this for a minute, you know, and Southern

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Speaker 1: Hills will do that, and like you O seven, clearly

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Speaker 1: it had that. It was hot, it was a battle

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Speaker 1: of attrition in a lot of ways on a golf

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Speaker 1: course that demanded all the shots, and it was just

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00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: that was the sort of thing that just lit all

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Speaker 1: of his lights up, and it's like, here we go,

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Speaker 1: this is me And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: a professional golfer um is a show off. Fundamentally, we

593
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Speaker 1: want to show everybody that we're better than I'm better

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Speaker 1: than you, and come watch because I'm better than all

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Speaker 1: these guys. And Tiger has been the biggest show off

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Speaker 1: of the lot. And that's the platform. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: he's got the platform at a place like that to

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Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, so I think your analysis is right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether he knows he's going to win

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Speaker 1: if he plays, That's the only part I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: I've never been inside his head, um, but I think

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Speaker 1: he would have gone there certainly and oh seven knowing

603
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: he was playing well, thinking this is a great opportunity

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Speaker 1: to win another major. Because of course I just love

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Speaker 1: playing it. Let's say that, Yeah, I love that. That

606
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: reminds us something that I heard Patrick Harington say going

607
00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: back to CARNEISTI when you beat Sergio Garcia and he

608
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Speaker 1: had he was short over the green, he was he

609
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: was kind of making a mess of the hole too,

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Speaker 1: and he had like maybe a forty or fifty yard

611
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: pitch that he left himself with. And of course there's

612
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: that that incredible grand stand you always have on the

613
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: last hole at the Open, and he was running through

614
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: his options and what kind of shot to hit, and

615
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: he wound up, you know, hitting the low skipper. It

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00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: looks like it's going to go way past the flag

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Speaker 1: and then maybe on the third bounce it just stops dead.

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Speaker 1: And he said he wanted to play that shot because

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Speaker 1: he knew the crowd was going to be like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: he's hit it too hard and oh hit the brakes

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Speaker 1: and and you know that was the that was the

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Speaker 1: reaction from the crowd. And I always thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: even with the opening, the balance is exactly what you're saying, Jeff, Like,

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Speaker 1: he chose a shot that was gonna be a little

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Speaker 1: dramatic and kind of fun to play, and when you

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Speaker 1: get people going, and I'm sure that on some level

627
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 1: that that helped him focus on on the task at

628
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: hand even more because it's like, well, if I screw

629
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Speaker 1: this up, it's really gonna scold over the green or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So he was You don't think about the showmanship aspect,

631
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Speaker 1: but it's definitely a part of being a performer. It's

632
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: a great insane Jeff, when you talk about that showoff aspect. Um,

633
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: of course it's the other players and their caddies because

634
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: they're super knowledgeable about golf. But is it also the

635
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: spectators and the TV audience or do you think that doesn't?

636
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: Does that factor in or or not? Do you think

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00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's really like particularly aimed at anybody.

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00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it's it's almost showing off

639
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: to yourself as well a little bit, you know, like

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00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: it's um, certainly the other players. If I say from me, Um,

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00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: if I impressed the crowd, that's cool, it's nice and

642
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: it's fun, you know all that. But if you impress

643
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: some other players, um, that's really good. Some of the

644
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: caddies are fun to impress. I mean, I remember Squirrel

645
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: was my caddy for a long time, and I go

646
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: I really respected um his opinion on golf, and every

647
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 1: now and then I would hit a shot that was

648
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: really really good and you would just get this grown

649
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, like it was just you're just like,

650
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: oh wow, that was my happiest moment, Like if I

651
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: ever got the little grown out of him, Like as

652
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: soon as I bully, oh, that's the one, it was

653
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I did my job. That actually made

654
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: me happier than almost anything. So I think it's general,

655
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: but I think there's certain players. I mean, if you

656
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: go and if you played potographer saying you hit a

657
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: shot and you got a little nod in a little wink,

658
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: It's like that was a pretty nice moment, you know

659
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like to Toto impress the guys

660
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: who are that impress you. You know. I think it's

661
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: kind of fun. Yeah, have you ever have you ever

662
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: seen that clip of Lee Trevino playing with Sevy is

663
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: one of the years at Sevy won the Open and

664
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: he's he's on this down slope in the faraway and

665
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: he scorches this long iron that never leaves the flag

666
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: and Trevino is like pure class baby, and U that's

667
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. I mean, how good did

668
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: that field? Not only to pull off the shop, then

669
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: have Lee Trevino of all people be in your ear

670
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: about it. Like, I love that clip for so many reasons.

671
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: That's like one of the best clips on the internet.

672
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: Because it's on five at the Old Course. I'm pretty

673
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: sure touch a glass baby, And he says, as soon

674
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: as he hits the ball and it's the five and

675
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: it lands in a little dip and it runs up

676
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: on the green, it's not only good because I've had

677
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: good Sevy shot. Is it's so good because of Trevino's

678
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: knowledge as soon as he makes contact that he knows

679
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: that that's as good ash And almost no one's got

680
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: that shot. Like the ball is not even halfway there,

681
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: and Trevino knows it's perfect. I mean it's perfect on

682
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: every level. That clip. It's brilliant. Yeah, Yeah, I love that.

683
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: You know that, Jeff, that's so great. That is really great.

684
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: With that in mind, like when you hit a perfect shot,

685
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: but it does some weird thing, you know, it just

686
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: doesn't bounce the way its supposed that even though you've

687
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: done everything you can do, how do you prevent yourself

688
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: from saying m F really loud or something, because you've

689
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: got to be so mad at that point because you've

690
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: done everything right and you haven't gotten the result. Yeah,

691
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's frustrating, but if you've actually hit

692
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: a perfect one and it gets unlucky, it's not a

693
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: complete I'd rather do that than just hit an awful shot.

694
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: You know, at least I had a perfect shot. At

695
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: least I had the feeling of hitting a good shot.

696
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean, half of it is just golf so much.

697
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's just you just chasing that great

698
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: feeling of the great shot. And if you have the

699
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: great feeling of the great shot and if you don't

700
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: get the result, that's pretty infuriating. But at least you

701
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: hit the great shot and you have the great feeling

702
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: for a second while the ball was in the air,

703
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, or you hit that incredible part that you

704
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: know is in all the way and it just that's

705
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: some crazy lip out or burns the edge, or it

706
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: spins off the front of the green, or it's pretty frustrating,

707
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: but it's part of it. I mean, I guess it's

708
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: part of golf. It's what It's why the ones that

709
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: do come off for so rewarding because they very rarely,

710
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: do you know. I was playing the other night. It

711
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: happened to be an old US open course. I was

712
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: playing by myself, and I had a good drive and

713
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: had a good second shot and it was a skip

714
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: up shot there and I'm like, that's perfect, and it

715
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: skips up and it skips up the hill and it

716
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: skips a right past the flag into the rough over

717
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: the green and I always lost it. And I'm playing

718
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: by myself for nothing. It's funny, though, to be honest,

719
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: when you're really on and you're really playing well. I

720
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: don't think I ever had a shot where I made

721
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: contact and you're right that it wasn't right, Like you

722
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: just know it's right, you can you just know it's

723
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it hits the pit. I mean there's

724
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: those rats, you see those ones a tori that flying

725
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: the whole in the last tile, it's the pen and

726
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: it goes to the water and stuff, and that that's different.

727
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: I've never had one of those. But generally there's this

728
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: feeling that doesn't come very often, especially when you're on.

729
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: As soon as I would make contact, I knew it

730
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: was good, and I was like, it just it almost

731
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: never isn't because you're just so in touch at that

732
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: time when you're playing like that looks like Tiger's little

733
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: club spin. You know, you can tell when you watch

734
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: a great player when he's playing well as soon as

735
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: he makes contact, you know, watching the TV, that you

736
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: hit it close. You just know you can just see

737
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: the look in his eye and he's gait and his

738
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: demeanor and just the way holds his follow through or

739
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Um we generally know, not not when

740
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: we're playing average, but when you're playing well, you know,

741
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: you know it's if it's if you if generally, if

742
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: you feel like it's good, it usually ends up pretty

743
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: good and drop really quickly, really quickly. Hearing Jeff talk

744
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: about golf is an absolute total illustration of why we

745
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: love golf so much. I have never heard ensuring pro

746
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: talk about tigers twirl and what it means to Tiger

747
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: internally and what then we can get out of it.

748
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: And it just shows you that golf and we love

749
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: a lot of different sports among the three of us,

750
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: but there's actually nothing like golf. That was just so beautiful.

751
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: I loved hearing that. Yeah, no, I agree, what I

752
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: was gonna say about you know, the early early Club

753
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: Tworld And as you say, Jeff, you can usually tell

754
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: when a player thinks he's stiffed it. But it's an

755
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: outdoor game and you can get a gust of air

756
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: or or the you know, there's there's so many ambient

757
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: things that that maybe could could affect the outcome, and

758
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: yet they're always right about it like that. That's what

759
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: amazed me. You see in the NBA, you know there's

760
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: some you know Nick Nick Young thinks he switched to

761
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: three point, he turns around to the crowd and it

762
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: rims out and but um, you know that's a controlled environment. Uh.

763
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: That does amaze me, the um the accuracy of of

764
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: the Uckey Club Tworld because rarely does the guy do

765
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: that and then you know it doesn't work out. But

766
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: there's there's so many factors. You know, you can give

767
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: you a firmer green, you can get a bad balance,

768
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: you could could be a tell. I promise you you

769
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: can tell. Yeah, well that's a difference between Jeff and us. Michael,

770
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 1: he knows that we're just hoping well. Differences about fifty

771
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: thousand more balls and my shot golf shots in my

772
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: life and you guys. Probably. Yeah, that's fair, Jeff. And

773
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: you notice the elegant pronunciation that that Alan gives the

774
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: word ambient. He has it his ambiance and Gil Hands

775
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: he has his haunts. Uh, it's an ambient. People from

776
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: Madelaide and Australia spake like that. Oh how do you

777
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: how do you say Gil's surname hands? Yeah? I do, yeah,

778
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: Gil Hands. There's a little bit of an Australian age,

779
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Tommy at gil Hands an ambient My bad? No no, no, no, no, no.

780
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I like it sounds much more elegant. Yeah. Well, most

781
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: people think I sound like I'm Stone because I'm cal

782
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: forign you. So I'll take that. Um, you mean you're not.

783
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not deliver you to say Michael, but

784
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: it is am here in Tulsa. So this is a

785
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: a quasi you know, preview of of this PG Championship.

786
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: Should should we hazard any guesses about who's going to win?

787
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: Or is that just totally boring and we want to

788
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: transcend the conventions of this medium? What do you what

789
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: do you guys? Think? It's up to you guys. I

790
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: mean I sort of gave you my speel. I think

791
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: it'll be one of the big dogs at the moment.

792
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll I think Jordan's a good chance. I

793
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: think he'll engage him. It's in them, it's in his

794
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: in neck of the woods, you know, at least Mary

795
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: region of the country. Short criss around the grant will

796
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: help him. Um, dj has got to play well. So

797
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: and surely you know one of these things he can't.

798
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: He can't keep not like being up there in a

799
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: major as good as he is, John Rame fantastic. He'll

800
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: love the short game. Yea, Um, that's my sort of

801
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: there you go, there my three he picks. I want

802
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: to ask about Scotty Schefflers were we touched on earlier,

803
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: Like he played so many beautiful short game shots at

804
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: Augusta National, and um, he loves to move the ball.

805
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: It just it seems like a perfect venue for him.

806
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: Yet again, like can you out somewhart yourself? Like the

807
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: guys playing phenomenal golf. He's in a habit of winning.

808
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: He's he's met every challenge, Like he's such an obvious choice,

809
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: But how how can you keep going back? The same

810
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: guy or just the law of average is eventually gonna

811
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: catch up and he's gonna have a little down period, like,

812
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: I guess, how how long can good for him? Last? Jeff,

813
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: I guess that's my question. The look and the only

814
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: reason your hand said right on paper, Scotty cheff it

815
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: looks like the favorite number in the world. It's again,

816
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: it's a space neck of the woods. That's in Chefflis

817
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: Neck of the Woods too, Right, He's going to play

818
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: really well on the way and if it gets windy,

819
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: he's going to play well in that sort of area

820
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: in the country. You would think. The only reason I

821
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't pick game is because at some point you can't

822
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: keep winning rush the lower of averages. Yeah, but yeah,

823
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: he looks great. He'sbviously confident and so he's he's so

824
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: much better every time you say him play than almost

825
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: the previous time you saw him play. You know, he

826
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: seems to be improving in front of you. Or maybe

827
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: it's just that we just give him more respect every

828
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: time you say him play. Um, maybe he's always looked

829
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: that great. We didn't have eyes for it, you know. Um,

830
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, fantastic, you know. And I sorry with a

831
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: form thing, I had the form, I don't know, I

832
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I never had form like Scotti Cheffer, so

833
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, I saw you curiously scribbling, Michael, were

834
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: you writing down a name for that? I was just

835
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: thinking about No, no, I was just thinking about when

836
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: unlikely guys when majors, And I just quickly noted that

837
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: now they happened. All the Open winners gen Van Developments,

838
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Hot Hamilton and Ben Curtis, um, no one was talking

839
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: about them going to the week except for maybe their families.

840
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: But they were great for that week. They were as

841
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: great as anybody. Well, they were greater than anybody for

842
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: that week, and then they might have gotten look at

843
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: the draw for some because oh, I said, Jean Vanderbilt

844
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: famously did not win his Open, but he did play

845
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: great and at the end of the really, at the

846
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: end of seventy two holes, if you you know, you

847
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: are the co medalist. I mean there's a greatness to

848
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: that as well. But I guess the point is that

849
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: when you've got a field as deep as this field,

850
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: with all due respect to the you know, to the

851
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: obvious names, I think that I think the reason I

852
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: don't really participate in this sort of thing is the

853
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: joy of the things that see, really, who is going

854
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: to do it? And I don't really find out much

855
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: joy in trying to make a wild guest as to

856
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: who it is said, when you've got a hundred players

857
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: in the field, all of whom are capable of shooting

858
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: whatever the number is, let's called to seventy maybe who knows. Uh,

859
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: it's just part of the greatness of a real major

860
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: championship that any of those uh could do it. Yeah,

861
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: I love that. And can we talk about Jean Vandervelt's

862
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: put for triple bogey that he made to get into

863
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs like little curling, like six or eight footer,

864
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: It's got to be one of the greatest puts in

865
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: calf history. He has just lit himself on fire in

866
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: front of the world and he has his deer or

867
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: die butt and somehow he made it. I always marvel

868
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: at that, Like after all the just to your point,

869
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: it's bizarre that I wrote Jean Vandeveld as a guy

870
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: who won an open because like sort of in my mind,

871
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: he won an open um. Now maybe it's my great friendship,

872
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: you know with Mike Donald, that's you know, that shapes

873
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: that to some degree. But I do feel like if

874
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: if you're the medalist or one of the Medals as

875
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: a seventy holes. After that, it's sort of a crapshoot. Now,

876
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: it wasn't a crap shoot back in the day when

877
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: the USA had a thirty six whole playoff, because then

878
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: after thirties SI sols. Yeah, the better guys gonna win.

879
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: But you know well that they used to be eighteen

880
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: holes spin Anyway, I digress wildly here. Can I just

881
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: get to one point about you know jeff'son earlier. You know,

882
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: I've never spent a second inside Tiger Woods his head.

883
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: Something about Scheffler We can only guess at this, but

884
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: at some point, after you've achieved what you've achieved like

885
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: Scheffler has and what and what Jeff did at Wingfoot,

886
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: external forces are going to get in your head and

887
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: expectations will go up and all those cliches, and then

888
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: the question really becomes who you are inside? Can you

889
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: keep them at bay so that you can really truly

890
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: stay true to the thing that's so that's so important

891
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: to you. And from what I've seen a chef and

892
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: we don't really know, but what what we do you know,

893
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: quote judge these people, and we see him in press

894
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: conferences in the rest he seems like a guy who

895
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: actually can keep it at bay Um and keep it

896
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: going for Well, that doesn't mean he's gonna win, but

897
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: it does think I do think it's gonna mean he's

898
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: not going to screw up through seventy two holes. And

899
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: then how contempt? Yeah, can you speak to that Jeff

900
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: about after you win a major and he's a little

901
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: bit younger than you were, but comparable really, Like, how

902
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: does it turn your world upside down? From just the demands,

903
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: the endorsements, everything that goes into it, and then and

904
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: that that feeling when you show up like, yeah, you

905
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: should make it should be less pressure. I've done it.

906
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: I know I can do it. But also you feel

907
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: that now I have to live up to this new standard.

908
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: So it kind of cuts both way. How how did

909
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: winning the Open kind of turn your your your world

910
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: upside down? Yeah? It does do, but it does go

911
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: both ways. I mean, I think I think you can

912
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: handle the attention and the the extras pretty quickly. I mean,

913
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: the management teams around us at those points, I mean

914
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: a pretty sound I mean, the tours and the tournaments

915
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: do a great job, but sort of I mean, you

916
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: know how much harder it is to start for you

917
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: two guys to get towards number one in the world.

918
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: So and it was when they were number ten in

919
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: the world. You know, they get um fairly well protected

920
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: and you get you sort of get looked after, and

921
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: I think you kind of scotty sort of you've seen

922
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: other players go through it, so you've sort of got

923
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: a small idea of what's going to happen. I mean,

924
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: it's sort of overwhelming and how big it was. And

925
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: I took three or four weeks off, and then my

926
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: next time it was like, um, you know, six, And

927
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: when I got there, it was I expected big press

928
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: attention and blah blah blah, and that was actually quite

929
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: It wasn't so bad because they opens the Open and

930
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: that the Digger was all the one they were talking about.

931
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: So I had a bigger press confidence that I normally

932
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: would have the Open, But then it was kind of

933
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: fact to being the Open, you know, because it's a

934
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: bigger tournament than the guy who won the last major.

935
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: You know. Um, I think I found it harder at

936
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: the normal little tournaments, just normal tournaments. I found it harder,

937
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, when you're maybe the only recent major champion

938
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: in the field. And you get all the attention, and um,

939
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: the one thing that really struck me the most was

940
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: just the copious amount of autographs that you start start

941
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: signing in that the ebayers who start putting all the

942
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: magazines under the ropes and stuff you have to side

943
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: of stuff that for me, I found Tuesdays and Wednesdays

944
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: a lot harder than before. I used to be able

945
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: to do it Tuesday and Wednesday sort of under the

946
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: radar and have a really peaceful sort of practice round

947
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday and Wednesday, and that didn't happen anymore,

948
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: and I found that sort of difficult for Meum. And

949
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: as far as the playing, I think, um, I think

950
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: it goes, it does. It cuts both ways. I think

951
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: your self expectations up, but that always makes it challenging.

952
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: You know, Um, it's a good thing expectation, but like

953
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: the belief that you know you can do it and

954
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: you're one of the only probably ten or fifteen guys

955
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: maybe in the field at that point of one a

956
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: major Like, it's nice. It's a nice feeling. And you know,

957
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: if you get sort of coming down the stretch or

958
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: you get into mixed on Saturday and Sunday, that you're

959
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: going to be in a better shape than the guys

960
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: who haven't won a major, you know, But it goes

961
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: the other way, because you do if you don't have

962
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: a very good first round or you're sort of struggling

963
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: and start beating yourself up saying I'm better. There's I'm

964
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: supposed to be winning this. They're gonna ask me why

965
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm not playing very well today and all that sort

966
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I think there's positive to negatives. I

967
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: think there's way more positive than negatives. Scotty seems like

968
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: a pretty um grounded sort of guys. He seems like

969
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: the sort of guy who's going to handle it um.

970
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: So I think you'll be fine. I think there's a

971
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: lot of guys that desire can change a little bit.

972
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: You know that We've seen a lot of times that

973
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: it probably does. It seems like it's going to happen

974
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: with Scottie. But a guy win a major and that

975
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: will be almost the last time and he ever wins,

976
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: he's had an unbelievable turn or fifteen year run, wins

977
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: a major and then it's kind of done. Because, like

978
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: I mean, Deval was sort of the one you would

979
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: look at. It was the best player in the world

980
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: for four or five years, and then Bang wins, when

981
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: I was like, what do I do now, you know?

982
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: And then there's other guys who win one, like Jordan

983
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: or something, and they look like they try harder the

984
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: next time, and then the next time they try harder again,

985
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: and they try harder again, and they look like they're

986
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: more and more into it. So time will tell with Scottie,

987
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: but I think it's it's probably different for every guy.

988
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: Um it's certainly he's in a whole new stratosphere. I mean,

989
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: you win the Masters, that's kind of the highest profile

990
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: major possible, was the first one of the year. It

991
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: gets the most attention and gets another one in the

992
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: world the same sort of time. I mean, he's got

993
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: a fair bit going on and his sort of head

994
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: probably playing golf, probably a little bit less peaceful in

995
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: his head than it was before. Time will tell. I

996
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: think everybody handles it differently. I think some guys like

997
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: thrive in that sort of environment and situation. I think

998
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: some God sort of I don't really love it, and

999
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: there's sort of everything in between. Um So I don't

1000
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: think there's any set rules. Really. I love that well,

1001
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: this is has always been been a fun conversation. Um,

1002
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: we're going to do this again, definitely, uh Sunday night

1003
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: after we have a winner, and we'll see how all

1004
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: these these themes have played out, Michael and any final

1005
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: thoughts before we send the reader's home. Well, listeners, listeners,

1006
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: excuse me, uh no, just the joy of hearing Jeff

1007
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: all will be talking about golf is a new pleasure

1008
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: of my life. So thank you for this. Jeff, Yeah,

1009
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Uh all right, before we go, well,

1010
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: we'll tip our caps to our our corporate supporters at

1011
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: at Part Points who helped keep the lights on here

1012
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,080
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1013
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1014
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,040
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1015
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: encourage all of you guys to check out. Um, this

1016
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: is Alan Schipnuk for Michael Bamberger Jeff Ogilvie. This is

1017
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: another fire Drill podcast and we'll be coming to you

1018
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: all week from from Tulsa and Melbourne and points in between.

1019
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:33,400
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