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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a gorgeous young

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Speaker 1: wife of a local pastor, a mother suddenly just disappear

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Speaker 1: seemingly into thin air. I'm talking about a young lady,

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Speaker 1: Mary Lane Carter. I me, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and Serious XEM one eleven at the Get Go. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at ABC thirty three forty.

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Speaker 1: The family is puzzled though, that Carter told them she

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Speaker 1: was getting lost along the way. She'd driven the route

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Speaker 1: the head pastor at a Kansas church. A vigil was

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Speaker 1: and husband. She's driving a dark Grade two eleven GMC

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Speaker 1: a Kadia with Kansas tags. You honestly don't know what

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Speaker 1: needs his wife, he need their daughter. Carter is five

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Speaker 1: lasting on video wearing dark clothing. Where is Mary Lane

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Speaker 1: with me? An All Star panels seeking to help find

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Speaker 1: a special guest joining me right now, her brother in

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Speaker 1: law joining us at Birmingham, Brady McLaughlin. Brady, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. First of all, tell me about

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Speaker 1: Mary Lane. Well, thank you, Miss Grace for having me.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the attention to help help find mary Lane.

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Speaker 1: Mary Lane is thirty six years old. As the news

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Speaker 1: report said, she's my sister in law, so my wife,

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Speaker 1: this is her sister. I've no never since around two

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Speaker 1: thousand and five, two thousand and six. She's a graduate

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Speaker 1: in theological studies. She's a mother of three and married

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Speaker 1: You're telling me she's got a grad degree. What kind

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Speaker 1: of grad degree? She has? Her Masters of Theological Studies

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Speaker 1: got a graduate degree. That's not easy in any subject,

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Speaker 1: much less theology. With me her family joining us, we

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Speaker 1: are begging you today for help Jackie. As soon as

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Speaker 1: you can't, I need that tipline back to you, Brady

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Speaker 1: McLaughlin joining us by You've told me a lot about her,

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Speaker 1: but she's a wife and a mother as well. Tell

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Speaker 1: three Monday, five seven and three? Oh, dear Lord and heaven,

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Speaker 1: what have they been told about mommy missing? Her husband

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Speaker 1: Adams been actually involving in the search, either in Memphis

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. You mentioned the husband.

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Speaker 1: Got two big questions, Brady McLoughlin. Are you you her

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Speaker 1: me about the husband. Where was he the pastor? And

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Speaker 1: It's Brady McLaughlin. But statistically, the first person we got

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Speaker 1: we've gotten multiple communications from them showing that there's no

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Speaker 1: a missing person's case. And it's a local Baptist church, correct,

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Speaker 1: She gets in the car. It was a plan trip

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Speaker 1: Mary Lane Carter's brother in law, Brady McLoughlin, we are

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Speaker 1: on a desperate search for this missing mom. She is

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Speaker 1: zero one zero zero three Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about eight mom, missing gorgeous young mom. If

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Speaker 1: You can see the photos of Mary Lane Carter, beautiful, loving, educated,

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Speaker 1: a woman of God majoring in divinity. How does she

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Speaker 1: mom is on a trip, driving from Kansas City to Birmingham.

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Speaker 1: She's gone missing. Please help us bring her home to

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Speaker 1: Lee Egan. You heard everything the brother in law said,

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Speaker 1: me in a nutshell, Lee Egan, How do I know

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Speaker 1: but don't care. So Watsay's husband, Chris wats remember that

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Speaker 1: if they go to vigils or they don't go to it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I do care if they don't go to the vigil.

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Speaker 1: But get me the hard evidence, Lee. Do I have

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Speaker 1: they raise awareness, but I want hard evidence. Lee Egan,

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Speaker 1: told our three kids, you know, to be praying for mom, mommy,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna find her. It just might take a

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Speaker 1: few days. Adam Carter has been in the mid South

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Speaker 1: since Tuesday looking for his thirty six year old wife,

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Speaker 1: Mary Lane. He lost contact with her when she disappeared

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Speaker 1: Sunday night. Her phone went dead somewhere in the area

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Speaker 1: that I fifty five bridge coming into Memphis. Her parents

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Speaker 1: have spent days searching that area. New video is emerging.

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Speaker 1: At the beginning of Mary Lane's trip, Carter says that

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Speaker 1: she texted him when she was taking into a quality

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Speaker 1: inn in West Plains, Missouri, several hours from her home.

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Speaker 1: She stayed about three hours and left. Carter says he

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Speaker 1: talked with his wife's Sunday night and her phone went dead.

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Speaker 1: About fifteen minutes later, she talked with her mother and

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Speaker 1: her phone went dead again, and no more calls have

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Speaker 1: been made since. Her credit cards have also not been used. Carter,

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Speaker 1: with the help of law enforcement Gunna Tip his wife,

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Speaker 1: was in Desuto County Monday morning at a Shell gas station.

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Speaker 1: We showed them pictures of her and they said they

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Speaker 1: felt like they definitely had seen her crime stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about a missing mama three,

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Speaker 1: Mary Lane Carter. Her husband I passed her at a

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Speaker 1: local church in Kansas. She's on her way drive in

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Speaker 1: Kansas to Birmingham and seemingly just disappears. They had mentioned

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Speaker 1: did the car drive into a body of water? But

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Speaker 1: I find that difficult to believe with no sign of

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Speaker 1: a car going over trees or I mean bushes or undergrowth,

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Speaker 1: no signs or location for a car to drive in,

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Speaker 1: like go off a dot the way Susan Smith pushed

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Speaker 1: her boys off a dot. Remember that Jackie. No obvious

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Speaker 1: spot for her to go into water. Plus she was

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Speaker 1: I understand at a bridge. If there's no size, she

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Speaker 1: went over the bridge? How that hey? Would her car

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Speaker 1: end up in water? Where is Mary Lane? With me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to break it down and put

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Speaker 1: it back together again? Take a listen to our friends

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Speaker 1: at ABC News Erne Shaw. Authorities in an urgent search

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Speaker 1: for a missing Kansas mom of three kids, Marilyn Carter

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Speaker 1: was lasting six days ago in the surveillance video entering

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Speaker 1: a hotel in Missouri. Police pouring through the video for

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Speaker 1: clues and asking for the public's help. They say she

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Speaker 1: left the hotel just three hours after checking in her phone,

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Speaker 1: appearing to go dead near Memphis, Tennessee. And she's a

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Speaker 1: mommy and she has a mommy's heart, you know, she

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Speaker 1: would never do anything that would take her away from

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Speaker 1: her family. She told family she was driving to Birmingham, Alabama,

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Speaker 1: deeping with her of them before vanishing without a trace.

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Speaker 1: It's been hard and all we can do is pray

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Speaker 1: and inkeep looking. Loved ones are praying outside of the

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Speaker 1: church where her husband is the lead pastor, and desperately searching.

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Speaker 1: If anyone out there sees anything he sees her, please

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Speaker 1: report it to see our Gillespie Crime Online dot Com

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. It means a lot to me. The husband

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Speaker 1: didn't just sit on his thumb at home. He has

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Speaker 1: traveled to the area and is searching along with her family.

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Speaker 1: Is that right, Sierra, Because I mean we've seen so

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Speaker 1: many times or the husband just sister and does nothing,

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Speaker 1: and I don't like that. Yeah, Nancy, that's not the

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Speaker 1: case at all here. Adam Carter has been very vocal

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Speaker 1: speaking with media trying to get out, you know everything

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Speaker 1: about Mary Lane, what she looks like, where she was

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Speaker 1: last seen, and he did actually travel to that West

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Speaker 1: Momphis area to search for her. That's where law enforcement

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Speaker 1: officials are searching, you know, by land and by air.

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Speaker 1: I've seen several reports of that. And something we recently

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Speaker 1: heard in that last NEWSPA page talking about how he

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Speaker 1: is a lead pastor. They're a very religious family, both

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Speaker 1: she and her husband are. Something I thought that was

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Speaker 1: very sweet and touching is that at that church back home,

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Speaker 1: they have a twenty four seven it's around the clock

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Speaker 1: prayer vigils because the family truly believes that relying on prayer,

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Speaker 1: relying on prayer is the only way to go forward here. Well,

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Speaker 1: I know this prayer does change things. I know that

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Speaker 1: now joining me, forensics expert out of La Lecturer University, Florida,

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Speaker 1: host of podcast Shattered Souls, Karen Smith, Karen, we need

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Speaker 1: you now more than ever. What should be happening now

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Speaker 1: in the investigation. I want to talk about something that's

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Speaker 1: really bothering me, Nancy, and it's the timeline. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go back to boots on the ground, shoe leather here.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the timeline. She leaves Overland Park eight

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Speaker 1: fifteen pm on Saturday, August first. Why why it's about

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Speaker 1: of four and a half hour drive. Okay, wait, White, Yeah, yep, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to go through the timeline with you. I

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Speaker 1: don't have a problem with the timeline when she gets

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Speaker 1: to the quality end. But go ahead, okay. Well, from

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Speaker 1: Overland Park to West Plains about four and a half

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Speaker 1: five hour drives. She checks in at about three fifteen

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Speaker 1: in the morning. There's two hours missing there, Nancy, we

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Speaker 1: don't know where she went. Two to three hours are

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Speaker 1: missing in that timeline. So she checks out about six am,

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Speaker 1: according to official documents, and then she's driving to Memphis.

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Speaker 1: That is about three hours. Hey, hey, you know what.

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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. But for all unus, she

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Speaker 1: stopped at Target to get something mean. But I know

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Speaker 1: she's alive and alone and in a working vehicle and

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Speaker 1: y in West Plaines. A problem happens after that, that's right,

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Speaker 1: And she checks out about six am, but then her

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Speaker 1: phone pings at eight pm that night. That is only

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Speaker 1: a three and a half hour drive. We're dealing with

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Speaker 1: a fourteen hour timeline here, Nancy. You're right. What happened?

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Speaker 1: What does her does her car have GPS? Does she

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Speaker 1: have on Star? Are there other ways that you have

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Speaker 1: to find the car? We've got to find her gmc acadia,

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and eleven. I don't know whether it's

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Speaker 1: supplied with on Star. Let me let me follow up

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Speaker 1: on that right now, Lee Egan, A gmc acadia. What

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Speaker 1: more can you tell me about the vehicle? Color, stickers,

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Speaker 1: damage to the car, scrapes? What it is? A twenty

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Speaker 1: eleven gmc acadia Kansas license plate number one nine four

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Speaker 1: l F y L is in leaf f is in

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Speaker 1: feather wise in a year, No non scratches and no

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Speaker 1: non damage to the car. What color? It's a dark gray?

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Speaker 1: Dark gray to you, Brady McLoughlin, is that correct? Twenty

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Speaker 1: eleven gmc acadia dark gray man That is correct? No stickers,

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Speaker 1: no front tag on it, nothing else that would be

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Speaker 1: unique to identify it apart from another You know, GM

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Speaker 1: KIDDI you like that? Not even a church sticker or

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Speaker 1: my kids on the honor roll, Nothing like that, you

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Speaker 1: would think. But I can said you picture both their

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Speaker 1: cars and both of them know how many stickers they're

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Speaker 1: pretty planned on their cars. Would you would you send

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Speaker 1: me the sticker? Would you send me the picture? Jack,

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Speaker 1: if you could get that, because I'd like to post

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Speaker 1: it for everybody to look at it. Crime online and

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in series see eleven guys. I

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Speaker 1: don't understand how she and her car can just disappear

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Speaker 1: about to Karen Smith or in Sect's expert joining me.

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00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: You can hear her at Chatter Soul's podcast. Karen, I

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Speaker 1: know that you're you're right that we've lost some hours,

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00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: but I'm cutting through the chase and I've got her

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Speaker 1: alive at this spot now, right. How does a car

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Speaker 1: and a woman just disappear? There's no evidence she ran

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Speaker 1: off the bridge, there's no evidence of a vehicle going

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Speaker 1: into the water. What more can we do? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: we know that her cell phone was dropping off. Now

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Speaker 1: we don't know if her battery was dying or if

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Speaker 1: it was a purposeful switch off of her phone. We

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Speaker 1: don't know these things. She left in a hurry, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: And when you leave in a hurry, I have left

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Speaker 1: my cell phone charger at home. It drives me crazy.

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Speaker 1: Did she forget it? Did she forget her cell phone charger?

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Speaker 1: Something that simple I'm trying to use the law of

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Speaker 1: parsimony here. Well, you know what, you're right, do you

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Speaker 1: lose phone battery? I've done it too. I have done

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Speaker 1: it too. I've even gone exercising, jogging and my phone

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Speaker 1: actually goes dead. And it happens to the best of us,

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Speaker 1: the most careful people. To Ken Belca, new York criminal

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Speaker 1: defense attorney at Belcan Law dot com. Ken, let me

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Speaker 1: ask you to join Karen Smith, a forensics expert, and

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Speaker 1: your experience. What should cops investigator's family be doing right now? Well,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that could be doing. Cell

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Speaker 1: phone tracking. I think they should look at the make

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Speaker 1: and model of that car and determine, you know, how

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Speaker 1: far it can go on a full tank of gas.

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Speaker 1: And I think they should really look into those gas

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Speaker 1: stations within that range from where she was last sighted.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be the most useful. I think

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Speaker 1: you're right about that, because isn't it Trucierra Gillespie. Somebody

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Speaker 1: says they saw her at a gas station and they

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Speaker 1: gave her a ten or twenty bucks for gas because

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Speaker 1: she's got credit cards, she's got ATMs. Why would she

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Speaker 1: even do that? Nancy? That is correct. They have received

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Speaker 1: a tip. It hasn't beneficially confirmed that it was Mary Lane,

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Speaker 1: but somebody said they saw this woman matching the description

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Speaker 1: at a gas station and she said the reasons she

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Speaker 1: needed some cash or gas money was that her credit

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Speaker 1: cards weren't working at the time. That doesn't sound right.

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Speaker 1: She just used her credit card at quality in What

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Speaker 1: do you know about that tip? Brady McLaughlin. Yes, her

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Speaker 1: credit cards are still activated and they're still on the

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Speaker 1: law enforcement hasn't turned on for credit active credit card

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Speaker 1: monitoring where I gets they can see anytime chargers go

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Speaker 1: up and where it's located in real time. Guys, the

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Speaker 1: more questions we ask them were confusing, it becomes. But

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Speaker 1: this is what I do know. There is a husband

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Speaker 1: who seemingly is innocent of any involvement, and three little

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Speaker 1: children who won't mommy home. Won't you help us bring

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Speaker 1: Mary Lane home? The tipline two zero five three nine

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Speaker 1: zero one zero zero three repeat two zero five three

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Speaker 1: nine zero one zero zero three. Please help us bring

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Speaker 1: Mary Lane home. Goodbye friend,