1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome, and I'm Doug otli Been. This is all 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: ball man. You're gonna love this all ball series. Um, 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: we'll get to championship week, conference picks, all that other stuff, 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: But this weekend is really a celebration of I think 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: he in arguably the greatest career in the history of 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: college basketball coaching. Mike Sachowski is going to retire. This 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: is his last regular season weekend. They play North Carolina 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: at famed Cameron Indoor Stadium. UM. So I was trying 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: to figure out who's the best, the absolute best Duke 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: guest to have, because look, duke is the only synonymous 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: with college basketball, obviously synonymous with USA basketball. But I 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: also think that, um, there's so many guys to choose from. Right, 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: you have media personalities like Jay Billis and there's a 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: great Ja bill spot if you want to go and 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: search it in our archives. He's amazing. You had j Billis, who, 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: of course as a broadcaster is the greatest do broadcaster 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: former player. There's Jay Williams who was an unbelievable player 18 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: and as broadcaster as well as former uh kind of 19 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: broadcasting teammate of mine. You had JJ Reddick, who, of 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: course is kind of synonymous with a time period in 21 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: UH for Duke, he's become an outstanding broadcaster of an 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: outstanding NBA career. There's Shane Battier, There's Grant Hill, There's 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: Bobby Hurley, there's like you kind of go through it, 24 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: and then there's coach as well. I thought Steve Wojahowski 25 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: was the perfect guy because he's the only Polish point 26 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: guard he ever had. Um he was kind of he's 27 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: synonymous with Duke really from style of play, to leadership 28 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: ability to coach on the floor, to becoming an actual 29 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: coach at one years old, to being a part of 30 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: those national championship teams couple of them, to taking on 31 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: his own program. And I've also kind of been following 32 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: his journey in his year off and we've gone back 33 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: and forth about when to do it and how to 34 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: do it whatever, and he was more than gracious with 35 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: his time. So what you're gonna hear is UH, two 36 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: days of conversation me and and Woe Joe, and we 37 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: kind of go through parts of his playing career, parts 38 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: of assistant coaching career, and parts of his Marquette career 39 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: and a lot of perspective on life. It's it's it's 40 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: really good as So, without further ado, here's part one 41 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: of my conversation with famed starting point Guarded Duke, former 42 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: assistant coach at Duke, former head coach at Marquette see Whowski. 43 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: Um let's start here, let's start. You're in high school, okay, Uh, 44 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: freshman year in high school? How good were you? Um? 45 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: I was. I was a good, a good young high 46 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: school player. So you know, I actually played on the 47 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: j B team. I went to Cardinal Gibbons High School 48 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: in Baltimore City, UM, and it was at that time 49 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: it was one of the better Catholic League basketball programs 50 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: UM in the city. And I played primarily on JV 51 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: and then every once in a while I got caught 52 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: up the varsity. But it wasn't like, uh, you know, 53 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: if you saw me play as a freshman, you would 54 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: have said, man, that kid's going to play at the 55 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: highest level. My journey was a journey where every year 56 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: I got a little bit better. And my freshman year 57 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: I was good, but not not spectacular by any means. 58 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: What did you grow? And I know what happens with 59 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: these guys like us, They're like, you know, really when 60 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: did you, Because I stayed back and I grew it. 61 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: I grew from like five ft to five nine ish 62 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: when I entered high school. When you were you would 63 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: you just slow progressive grower as well? Or did you 64 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: have did you have a spurg? No? I I grew incrementally. 65 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: You know. There wasn't like one summer like some guys 66 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: you read. You know, he was five four as a 67 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: freshman and then he was six two of a sophomore. 68 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: That wasn't me. I kind of grew slowly, um and 69 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: then stopped and fortulate. I wish I wished it would 70 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: have grown a little bit more. So your your dad 71 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: remind me your dad worked at the docks, right, all right, Yeah, 72 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: so I'm actually recording this podcast in my childhood bedroom, 73 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: visiting my folks. So my dad was a longshoreman. So basically, 74 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 1: when the cargo ships came from all over the world 75 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: into the port of Baltimore, Um, he took care it. 76 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: He loaded it, unloaded it, worked on the rail yard, 77 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: worked in the sugar house. Um. He was a blue 78 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: collar worker. It's funny too, because you know, I get asked. 79 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: I got asked in my journey all the time, like 80 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: your dad was a coach, right, I was like, no, 81 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: he was. He was a long storeman. I'm sure he 82 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: wished he was a coach, but he was down at 83 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: the docks at the Union Hall of trying to get 84 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: whatever work he could get to provide for our family. 85 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: It's it's it's amazing because so my grandpa was he 86 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: was an accountant. But in order to put himself through 87 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: school to become an accountant, he actually him and a 88 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: buddy bought a truck in New York, right, And so 89 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: he'd take night classes and then without going to sleep, 90 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: they'd drive down to the docks in New York City, right, 91 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: and they would buy fish and then they would go 92 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: deliver him to restaurants throughout the city and on the 93 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: Long Island and whatever, and then he'd sleep all day 94 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: and then he'd do it again. That's how so. And 95 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: then he became a card deal because as an accountant, 96 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: you look at some of these books, and eventually he 97 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: took over a car dealership. Right, But he never he 98 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: couldn't he couldn't understand my dad's infatuation with basketball, right, 99 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: he just you know he could, like even my dad 100 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: got fired at the WM, I know, was fired they 101 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: went Division three from Division one whatever. I mean, it 102 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: wasn't it was it wasn't a good good deal. And 103 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: my dad was trying to get him to buy the 104 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: the new new jersey nets for a million dollars, trying 105 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: to get him and he again he looked at their 106 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: books and like, this is a crap business. No, thank you. 107 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: Why don't you just run my once? You just run 108 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: a car dealership. I want to I want to retire. 109 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: And my dad was like, I want to be a 110 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: basketball coach. So I asked you that because it has 111 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: a longshoreman. He's putting in a hard day's work every 112 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: single day. Right, And you have this I'm sure at 113 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: some point you have this dream of playing basketball. How 114 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: what was he like in terms of your journey and 115 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: was there a this is crazy you know, you're my son. 116 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: You're not gonna be big enough, you know, And you 117 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: talk like what was he like in terms of your 118 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: belief itself and how much he kind of bought into that? Yeah, 119 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: he was great. Uh. You know, my dad was a 120 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: really good athlete in high school. Um, you know, but 121 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: coming from a Polish family in in southwest Baltimore City, 122 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, like and his father was a longshoreman. That's 123 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: kind of what you did, Like you went to high school, 124 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: you you finished high school, and then you want to 125 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: the docks to work and provide for your family. And 126 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: so that was like that's what he knew. And you know, again, 127 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: I think he was very supportive and he worked incredibly 128 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: hard to provide for my brother and my sister and 129 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: I so we could live a life that he didn't 130 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: have a chance to live. You know, I joke all 131 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 1: the time my dad loved weekends and holidays, not because 132 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: it was time off because he could get paid time 133 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: and a half up or he could work on holidays 134 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: and get and get two times to pay um. But 135 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: he he was he was really supportive, uh, and he 136 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: set a great example of work, and I think that 137 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: was that was probably and it didn't necessarily come from lectures. 138 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: It came from watching him. I mean, I've not met 139 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: anyone who worked harder for my than my dad. And 140 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: he did it with the going mind to provide security 141 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: and safety and opportunity for his kids. And so if 142 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: I I believe as he saw me work, especially in 143 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: the game of basketball, he wanted to encourage that passion 144 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: and that work ethic, and he you know, he would 145 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: always tell me like, you know you're good, but you 146 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: need to go you need to go there and play 147 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: and see how good yard or if you're not working 148 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: somebody else's and those lessons um, even though they again 149 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: they didn't come in the form of like, let's go 150 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: to get out there and work, man, like I know, 151 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: you know you have a bad game, you're upset, Like 152 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: get back out there and do it again, like nobody's 153 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: gonna feel sorry for you, Like you put your boots 154 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: on and get to work. And those lessons, um, we're 155 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: invaluable to me. So I never really feared failing because 156 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: I knew, you know, like as long as I was 157 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: giving my all and giving the best effort and pursuing 158 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: something that I loved, there was no failure, regardless of 159 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: where it took me. And unfortunately it took me a 160 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: lot of great places, but there was no guarantee of that. 161 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: So what what is a summer between your freshman and 162 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: sophomore year? Because so I was did the j V 163 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: and varsity thing as well, right, And I remember the 164 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: first time I dunked was that summer? Was that maybe 165 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: spring afterwards, we had like a spring league game. Whatever. 166 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: We were like in warm ups and I put up 167 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: and dunt and like, you remember becoming the varsity point 168 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: guard of sophomore. Is that what had happened for you? Yeah? 169 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: So I ended up playing on the varsity as a sophomore, 170 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: and we were the rest of the guys who started 171 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: and played a lot were primarily upperclassmen, and and we 172 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: had a really good one the Baltimore Catholic League. There 173 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: was a number of other college players on the team 174 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: at the time, and here I was, uh, you know, 175 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: a little white sophomore point guard trying to find his 176 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: way on a on a good team in a heck 177 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: of the league. UM. But again, it wasn't like I 178 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: was all conference. I was. I was a really good 179 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: sophomore player, and in in the Baltimore area, I think 180 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: for my age, I was recognized as one of the best, 181 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: but certainly not the best. UM. So there was always 182 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: a carrot out there for me in high school, which 183 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad there was. When did it? When did it 184 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: take off? Because the first time I ever saw you 185 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: play was at abc D And you know, I've talked 186 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: about this before, but you played on a team that 187 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: was like everyone else played in a team from their region. 188 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: Right that that that year it was in Uhlan, Michigan. 189 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: Right is at Eastern Michigan University. So you're gonna be 190 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: a senior. I was gonna be a junior. And you 191 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: had a team. You had you had like two other Americans, 192 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: one kid from Indiana, I believe Brian Hanley Ran Hanley, right, 193 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: And then who was was that the only other American? 194 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: Was there was another uh there's another American player from 195 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,599 Speaker 1: the Dakotas and in his name escapes me. But the 196 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: rest of the we all foreigners, right, And then you 197 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: had a translator on the bench. Yes, we did. I 198 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: mean it was an incredible experience. And you know you 199 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: asked kind of when it clicked. Really it was after 200 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: my junior year. Um, you know, my junior year I 201 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: was I had established myself as myself as one of 202 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: the better players in the city of Baltimore. And after 203 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: my junior year ended, my high school coach was a 204 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: huge five star guy, Colonel Ray Mollis, and so I I, 205 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, I went must have gone to the twelve 206 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: five star camps. But after my junior year, I went 207 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: to June Homesdale and June Homesdale was one of the 208 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: better of the weeks of five Star, and so at 209 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: that camp Stefan, Mary Marbury, Vince Carter, most of the 210 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: best players from the Eastern Seaboard. And again, you know, 211 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: at that point my recruitment was mid to low major, 212 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: and in fact, really, as I looked forward, I anticipated 213 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: choosing between the University of Pennsylvania with fran Dumphy and 214 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: Princeton with Pete kill And I'll tell you what, the 215 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: kid from Baltimore, Son of Belong Shoreman, I mean, you 216 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: end up at either one of those places, it's like 217 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: a dream comes true. Well for plus it and for 218 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: people like, let's let's job people's memory that those pen 219 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: teams right there. Then you had Maloney and Allen, Right, yeah, 220 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: Matt Maloney pro Jerome Allen pro. So. I think what 221 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: happens now is if you look at it through two 222 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: thousand twenty two, you're like, yeah, penn Princeton, Princeton was 223 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: good back then. No, no, you don't understand. I don't 224 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: know if you would like I think that when Maloney 225 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: and out, I had never watched penn play before, and 226 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: I remember my dad like, you need to watch you 227 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: need to watch these kids play. Because Maloney's dad was 228 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: was a coach and I was like bad boys. So 229 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: they were ballers man. Yes, yes, I mean as they 230 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: and age, those teams will be top. So with Baltimore 231 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: a Virginia town or a Maryland town or a Georgetown town, 232 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: like what's what is like? Most guys grew up in Baltimore. 233 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: They they envisioned themselves playing with Well, I grew up. 234 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: The first thing I loved was University of Maryland. And 235 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: you know, like most kids when they're eight ninths and 236 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,599 Speaker 1: their superheroes are from the Marvel Comics, right like Superman, 237 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: Spider Man. My first year was Lenn Bias. You know, 238 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: I had learned Bias posters on the wall, um, and 239 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: I can remember some of my my first memories of 240 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: watching college basketball. We're watching Len Bias play. I mean 241 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: one game in particular at the University of North Carolina, 242 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: Warren you know, he dunked it and Warren Martin took 243 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: the ball out of bounds and tried to inbound it 244 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: to Kenny Smith, I believe, and he stole it in reverse, 245 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: dunkle on Warren Martin, who was a seven ft you know, 246 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: seven foot center, and I'm like, this can't be real. 247 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: This guy is not And so I love the University 248 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: of Maryland. That's like the first time I loved And 249 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: so Baltimore, I think is definitely a terrapin town. There 250 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: there's no question, and there's been some over the years, 251 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: there's there's been some discord, uh between Baltimore and Maryland. 252 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: But you know, I think most of the people in 253 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: the area I grew up were terms. It's it's interesting, 254 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: like you know, you talk about your lessons you learned 255 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: from your dad, the lessons we learned from basketball. Like 256 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: I remember when Len Bias died. I remember that was 257 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: that was my don't do drugs right right, right right right, 258 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: Like you didn't have I didn't need Nancy Reagan, I 259 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: need anything else. Let I was told len Bias used 260 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: cocaine and died. That was like, okay, I'm never using 261 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: cocaine because Len Bias is like a superhero and you 262 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: know that that was that was the that was that 263 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: was my my memory. That that was how it I was. 264 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: That that's how wired into sports and basketball. I was, um, okay, 265 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: So now your junior year it starts to click at 266 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: five star five star and probably have the best week 267 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: of basketball in my young life. And I end up 268 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: getting most outstanding player at the camp. And you gotta remember, 269 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: like Vince Carter is pretty damned. That's Stephan marburialthough you 270 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: know people don't remember him, but at that time, you 271 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: know he he was incredible um and a lot of 272 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: other really good players, So that that was a surprise. 273 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: I think I think I was surprised at that, but 274 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: I think that woke people up a little bit, like, 275 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: all right, maybe Penn and Princeton aren't like the ceiling 276 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: for this guy. And Howard Garth, thinking who I was 277 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: incredibly close with at that time, after the camp, called 278 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: Sonny Vaccaro and basically called in a favor. So I 279 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: got this kid just one most outstanding because I wasn't 280 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: invited to the camp, and so it's sunny. I mean, 281 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: Garth called in a ford to Sonny and said, you 282 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: probably need this kid that you can't. And so fast forward, 283 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: I get invited to the camp, and I remember arriving 284 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: at the camp and everybody already knew a team, Team California, 285 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: team New York, you know, team you know, Florida, wherever, 286 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: And I didn't and so like, as I'm going through this, 287 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: I'm like, some I's missing. There isn't a Team Baltimore. Uh. 288 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: And that was actually my first time I've ever been 289 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: on a plane was the flight of Ypsolani, Michigan. Yeah, 290 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: the first time I was ever on a plane. The 291 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: fly to Ypsolanni, Michigan. I go there like I'm seemingly 292 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: what if it feels like me I'm the only one 293 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: who doesn't know what team they're on. So I go 294 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: with the Sunny and I introduced myself to Mr Ricaro. 295 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: I'm Steve Wanderhouse. Yet I know you talked to Howard 296 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: Garfinkel about me participating in the camp. I don't have 297 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: a team, but I really loved the plane in the 298 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: camp and so you know, Sonny's moving a million different 299 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: directions and you are, and it passes me along to 300 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 1: Gary the Caesar and put with my team. So as 301 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: I'm walking over to my team, I'm looking at my 302 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: team like my team does not look like the other teams. 303 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't not look like Team California. And so as 304 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: I go up and I'm sitting there, I'm going, Okay, 305 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: there's Brian Hanley and this is dude from top Da 306 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: code of me and like eight other white guys who 307 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: like are not speaking English, and I'm and I'm trying 308 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: to put it all together because things are happening at past. 309 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean, three weeks ago, I was in Honesdale, Pennsylvania, 310 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: sleeping in a you know, sleeping in a fort with 311 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes in New York City, you know, 312 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: as a camper worker, you know, throwing up gatoray or 313 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: kool Aid cups for the campers. And so they introduced me. 314 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: It's like it's the international team. I'm on the international team, 315 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: and none of the international players, most of whom were 316 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: from Eastern Europe, Russia, Eastern Europe, spoke English. And I'm 317 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: sitting there going, wow, this is going to be interesting. 318 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: And you know it for me, in hindsight, Doug, it 319 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: probably couldn't worked out that, you know, if they played 320 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: way better. Way they played it can do basketball conducive 321 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: how you played. Otherwise it would have been on some 322 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 1: other teams, the wrong team. I mean, I look for me, 323 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: I was lucky sunny let my dad and my dad 324 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: coached team because at that point in time, like it 325 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: would have been break the press, throw it up and 326 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: somebody else go one on one. I need demanded that 327 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: we run a little structure, right, but yeah it did. 328 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: It was actually like we used to come over and watch, 329 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: like they played good basketball, right, So coach Wagner, coach St. 330 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: John's and DC was my coach. And and it because 331 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: of the structure of art team and the international game, 332 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: sharing the ball and the ball moves and working together 333 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: and allowed me to run a team, to run an 334 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: organized team as opposed to like in order for me 335 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: to stand out like I gotta I gotta go show 336 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: myself one on one, which would not have and a 337 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: good thing for me. And so we played. We played 338 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: really good basketball. Even though I didn't speak you know, 339 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: Russian or or czech Ovockian or Polish like I was 340 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: able to lead and I found great comfort in my teammates. 341 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: And I think my teammates were comforted by me because 342 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: I played similar to what they were custom too. And 343 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: we want a lot of games. Yes, you know. The 344 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: first first game we played Team New York with Kareem 345 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: Read and guys like that, I mean really good, really good, 346 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: and we and we beat them and people were like, 347 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: what is going on here? And so again circumstance like 348 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: if you would have if you would have drawn up 349 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: prior to me getting on the plane and said this 350 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: is what you're walking into. I was said, there's no 351 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: way but living it out. It was the best thing 352 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: that happened to me. So I went from being recruited 353 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: in the span of less than a month from mid 354 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: majors pen Princeton to do Carolina, etcetera, etcetera, And my 355 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: life changed, like really know, in the blank of an eye. 356 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: And you know, it came so fast it was almost 357 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: hard to believe, um, but it was. It was incredible. 358 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 359 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports 360 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app 361 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: search f s R to listen live. Um. Okay, so 362 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: the first time speak with coach k or one of 363 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: the assistants, how did Because my memory is you get 364 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: home from camp and suddenly now you do that after 365 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: return calls or the phone be ringing, but and for you, yeah, 366 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: and he goes from one level to a much higher level. 367 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: What was the first contact with you? Play? Well, when 368 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: I got back you know again and this was the 369 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: landline period, right, like you had, you had the phone 370 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: on the wall. You didn't have cell phone, so there 371 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of different avenues to get to people. 372 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: So the phone's ringing off the hook. Because again I 373 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: went from like a regional recruit, a good player that 374 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: if you were from the mid Atlantic probably knew my name, 375 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: thought I was good. But that was the extent of 376 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: it too nationally so so like every type of school 377 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: is calling and and you know it's funny when I 378 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: got home, like things want back to normal, like mowing 379 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: the grass, doing my chores. So you know, like a 380 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: couple of coaches was like, he's gonna have to call 381 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: you back. He's more on the yard. So when I 382 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: talked in there like your parents make me you mobile yard, 383 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's just the beginning of it, buddy. 384 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: And don't don't like come across to them that that's 385 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: a bad thing, because that's the last time. You know, 386 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: what were you what were your chores? I've always been there, 387 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: I've always always throughout my life in the garbage guy, 388 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: always been the garbage guy. Um, we didn't have in California, 389 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: we didn't have enough grass to be out. Everybody has 390 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: a gardener, or whatever. But I had I was garbage guy. Um, 391 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: we had like one night a week. We we had 392 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: had three kids. We had three kids, so one night 393 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: a week I had dishes. I'm trying to think we 394 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: had my dad had had to make your bed before 395 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: he left the house rule right, And I'm trying to 396 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: think what my other chore was. Um, Oh, I had 397 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: to pick up dog poops. I was. I was there, 398 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: I pick up the dog pops at that point in time, 399 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: I was. I was. My brother and sister had were 400 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: in college. We're out of college or whatever, and so 401 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: I was the only one picking up the dog poops 402 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: because it was basically my dog. What was so what 403 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: was yours? You had mowing the grass? Anything else mowing 404 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: the grass, you know, and for for my family, it 405 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: was like if you like, there wasn't an allowance, like 406 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: if you wanted money, you had to earn it. And 407 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: so I had to mor yard. But then I mowed, 408 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, four or five other yard in the neighborhood 409 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: to make money, you know, whether it's gas money or whatever. 410 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: So like I was pushing the mower or you know, 411 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: ride them er quite often. Uh, And it was it 412 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: was great. It's like my first job, and I learned 413 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: a lot from it. So you know, again, my mom 414 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: did a ton around the house. She she definitely spoiled us. 415 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like, you know, a ton of chores, 416 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: but the mowing the grass car you know, car, I 417 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: had to carve out a number of hours to do 418 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: that with all the lawns I mowed. Okay, So so 419 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: who who did you speak to first? Was it was 420 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: a coach who wasn't? Yeah, it was so I spoke 421 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: to coach k first, and that was the real because 422 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: you know I mentioned earlier Maryland was like lenn Biased 423 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: in particular, was like my first uh love. But shortly 424 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: after that it transitioned to Duke you know, I would 425 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: I would imagine in summers. Yeah it was. It was 426 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: as he was was because coach Kase polish was it 427 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 1: Bobby Hurley and those teams, like I mean, I guess 428 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: maybe the whole thing Like for me, it was Bobby 429 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: Hurley was life, blink guard, looked like me, coach his 430 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: son right, tougher than hell. And I love those I 431 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: love those dude teams like loved what was it for you? Well? 432 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: I love Bobby, you know, I love watching Bobby play. 433 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: But it was the whole thing too. I mean, Bobby, 434 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: that team and the fact that coach was Polish. I 435 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: mean I can remember going, you know, different events, and 436 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: my dad's out of the family, proud Polish family. It's like, 437 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: look at the look at that, you know, like there 438 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: is Polish guys can't make it in basketball. Look at 439 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: that that guy from from Duke. And I can remember 440 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: that when I was like nine or ten, like, yeah, 441 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: if you like basketball, there's a guy who coaches Duke 442 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: who's Polish too. It was like one guy that people 443 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: would would point to. So it was it was it 444 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: was all that and uh and and by that time 445 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: he was an icon, right, I mean, there was seven 446 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: out of nine final fours, was the back to back championships. 447 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: It was not only the fact that they won championships, 448 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: but how they did it. It was all of those things. 449 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: And you gotta remember six months earlier, the phone wasn't 450 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: ringing off the hub, you know, it was you know, 451 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: I would get letters and there'd be occasional calls, but 452 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't at all like the barrage I got post 453 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: ABC D camp and then so it was hard for me. 454 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: You know, I think looking back at it to think like, holy, 455 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: you get a chance to go to dude, Like you're 456 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: talking to coach k. You're talking to Dean Smith, You're 457 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: talking to Rick Pettino, Like what is going on here? 458 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: You know how I was this is you know, six months, 459 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: six weeks earlier, I was by myself, you know, shooting 460 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: hoops in the driveway, playing Beat the Pro, dream about 461 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: like out playing Karee Marie, you know, and then it's wait, wait, wait, wait, 462 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: sit every year, so you have a you have a 463 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: hoop in your driveway. Yeah, so driveway neighbors driveway and 464 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: in the backyard neighbors. Okay, So so my driveway my 465 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: parents house was like on a slam so and this 466 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: is before you know, by when I was in high school, 467 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: they got me one of those ones that rolled out 468 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: and I could put on the herb so I could 469 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: shoot in the street. But growing up I had to 470 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: go like six houses down my brother's buddy's got named 471 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: Garrett Phipps, and Greg like going down there, not to 472 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: shoot hoops, but because Garrett dad had takat a girl 473 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: picture posters in his garage, so like barely dressed. So 474 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: they would go in there, and they'd been checking out, 475 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: drinking a coke and chack and I'm shooting outside and 476 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: I was a little annoying brothers, so they closed the 477 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: garage door. But that was great for me. So I 478 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: would play. I would play imaginary games. Was a flat driveway, 479 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: I would shoot hoops, but I would also be Brett 480 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: Musburger or be uh um poward co Sell and announcing 481 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: the games, and I would play. I would play the 482 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: imaginary imaginary game. So what was beat the Pros? That 483 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: a set up game that you had or is that 484 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: just in your mind you would you made up a game. No, 485 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: So essentially it's like you you choose who you're playing 486 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: against pro you know high school, you know whoever Hoop 487 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: Scoop ranked the number one player in the touchry, have 488 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: play against right Clark Francis. And then you know, like 489 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: for every shot you make, you get a point. For 490 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: every shot you miss, whoever you're playing gets three points. 491 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: And so you you basically decide the number you're playing 492 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: and playing to one. You didn't go one on cone. 493 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: You knew cone drills and and uh and and layups 494 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: and yeah no no, and and this is the thing 495 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: that that you know again, and those people are well intentioned, 496 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: and you know, you always kind of need a hook 497 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: to two people excited. The thing I love the most 498 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: about basketball one of one of the things was the 499 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: use of my imagination, Like the games I dreamed up 500 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: in my head and the things I did in my 501 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: head were uh yeah, I mean they were. It was 502 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: incredibly powerful. I think for a young kid. You know 503 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, whether it's kids can use 504 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: legos or other toys or for me it was basketball. 505 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: Like the things I would dream uh were incredible and 506 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: and the fact that some of those dreams came through 507 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: is mind boggling to me. It's it's it's that's an 508 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: amazing way to have that perspective. Um. Okay, So what's 509 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: coach k like Like you first started talking to him, 510 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: what's he like? Uh? One, I think you know, first 511 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: of all, he came across to the normal human being 512 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: that had done extraordinary things. Um, a great sense of humor. 513 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: You know. Obviously he played on the Polish thing quite 514 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: a bit. Um, so we we had I think common 515 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: background bonds. Um, but I wasn't all it was. It 516 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: was hard for me, especially at the start, to like 517 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: think of him as a normal human being, because this 518 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: guy that you watch on TV do incredible things with 519 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: incredible people and players. Um. Yeah, I I remember being 520 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: pretty quiet, uh and just listening and I could listen 521 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: to him talk for hours, even though we weren't necessarily 522 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: on the phone for hours. Um did he did you 523 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: ask if he was offering you a scholarship? He'd like, 524 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, because because sometimes there's the dipping, the toe 525 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: in the water call and you're on their list and 526 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: they just want to kind of hold you there. Sometimes 527 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: time it's the we want you so you start talking 528 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: to him and it's kind of deity sort of status. 529 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: Did he offer you a scholarship? Did J ask? Was 530 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: it not right away? How did it take up? It was? 531 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: It was? It was? It was right away? And coach 532 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: pray uh tells a great story. You know, as they 533 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: were watching me at ABC D camp, there was there 534 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: was debate, right, Like I really like the way he plays. 535 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: I like the things he brings to the table, but 536 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: like he's small, he's not particularly fast or quick. It's 537 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: not really a great shooter, although he can make shots, 538 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: like is he is? He good enough? And so I 539 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: think they had that debate, which was a logical debate UM. 540 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: And I think Coach Bray tells the story that they 541 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: were walking to the car and he says, look, coach, 542 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: if he can lead a bunch of f and Russians, 543 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: he can lead our team to UM. And so the 544 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: scholarship came shortly thereafter, uh the A, B, C. D 545 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: camp and so yeah, it was, it was all in. 546 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: It was there was you know again, like I said, 547 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: it happened quick. It went from it's really good opportunities 548 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: to like opportunities where I'm like, WHOA, this is for real? 549 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: Did you take a visit? Did you take all your visits? 550 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: How did that work? So I remember having meeting with 551 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: my high school coaches and my family and basically because 552 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: my recruitment changed, I had scholarship offers from like the 553 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: whole spectrum of schools, and my high school coach like, 554 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: you need to narrow this down. But I felt loyalty 555 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: to some of these schools that had recruited me for 556 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: a long time, and you know, even mid major schools 557 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: and schools that sent me the first letter and all 558 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: that stuff that kids go through, right, Like, I feel 559 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: loyalty to them. And so you know, we had a 560 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: big list and we got it down to like twelve schools, 561 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: and kindly my high school coach like, it's nice what 562 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: you're doing, and I understand what you're doing, Like you 563 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: gotta make a decision like you do you want to 564 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: go for it, meaning like you need to commit and say, 565 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: like I I believe I can play and be a 566 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: good player at this level instead of having the Dukes 567 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: of North Carolinas, the Penn Princeton's, and the Housing States 568 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: on the school because they, uh, you know, they were 569 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: the first to the party. And so that night I commit, 570 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, basically committed to like I'm gonna go for it. 571 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: With more conversation. My final five schools for Duke North Carolina, 572 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, and St. John's. St. John's. St. John's 573 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a finny bird of darth. Uh. 574 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: Now they was to return before you or you're you 575 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: know used to Rex my year. So here's the instrument return. 576 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: He was my U teammate up until I think eighth grade. 577 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: He moved to Virginia. So like I remember, like my 578 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: one of my first our first big East wind at 579 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: Notre Dame was against St. John's and here I am 580 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: guarding a guy that I literally grew up playing in 581 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: the same backward with right and it was it was, 582 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: it was, It was nuts. Um So did you take 583 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,959 Speaker 1: all five visits or how did you do it? So? 584 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: I visited wake Cars first and Dave odom And and 585 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: Jerry Waynwright was the assistant and Jerry was a big 586 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: five star guy and coach him. It was a big 587 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: five star guys. Was I knew those guys well because 588 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 1: you know, at that time, like I saw him all 589 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: the time, because essentially my summers I lived at five stars. 590 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: Um So I was very comfortable with them and the 591 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: great people, great coach. So I visited wait carst first 592 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: and and uh Store, I'll never forget their freshman class. 593 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: Uh A year ahead of me was Mactarni, Ricky for 594 00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: All and Tim Duncan. And you know, this was a preseason, 595 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: so you know, you didn't get the early matriculation where 596 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: the freshman came in in the summers and and coaches 597 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: could work a lot in the preseason with teams. You 598 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: were still bound by its rolls, which was at that 599 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,959 Speaker 1: time very very limited. So you know, the pickup games 600 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: you'd hear and coaches like, you know, we we have 601 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: a great freshman class, like mac car could play anywhere, 602 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: we'd be. You know, whoever they beat to get him. 603 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: Ricky Prawl was stretch for from Spain who was highly 604 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: touted European player, and they said, you know, the third guy, 605 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: we're probably gonna end up red shirting him, but he 606 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: may end up being the best of all three. And 607 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 1: it was Tim Duncan, and I remember going to meet 608 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: him in his dorm room and he was in Indian style, 609 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: you know, with the Rastafarian shirt on, playing the guitar, 610 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this guy is gonna be the best 611 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: of the three. Uh, the damn damned if he wasn't. 612 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: What was it like? It was great? Again? It was 613 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: it was all. So that's my second visit, so wake 614 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: Forest and then Duke and they were back to back. Um, 615 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: it was great. Chris Collins was my host, still one 616 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: of my best friends to this day. You know, in 617 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: the campus is spectacular. I mean it's got any better 618 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: since since school, but it feels it doesn't feel real. 619 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: And then you walk into a regal word or because 620 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: here's okay. So I had never been there until I 621 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: was there a couple weeks ago, and um, I remember 622 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: walking and there was there was a little bit of 623 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: Notre Dame to it in that there's a city and 624 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: then it feels like separate sort of from the city. 625 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: It feels feels a little bit more spread out than 626 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Do a little different setup. There's not the 627 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: two lakes like Notre Dame. But um, like it is 628 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: it feels like you're stilling to a special place like 629 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: I always thought when I was a Notre Dame I 630 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: was going to school in a museum right right right 631 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: right like like I'm like, I don't break anything. It 632 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: feels like a museum now, Duke, there's and no Dames 633 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 1: kund of like this now where there's some of these 634 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: really beautiful glass buildings where they kept some of the 635 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: architecture and then some of the more modern stuff. But 636 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: generally it always kind of same architecture, that stone exterior stuff. Um. 637 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: But again, like you're coming from Baltimore, but you've been 638 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 1: to Wait and I don't know about how many other 639 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: college campuses have been to, but it is it is 640 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 1: different and unique from from other places. So like, help 641 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: me help me with uh how you would how what 642 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: it's actually like, right, like, is that is regal? I 643 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,240 Speaker 1: don't know if regal or yeah, that's that's that's a 644 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: great word for it. I mean I felt like when 645 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: I was there, I was like, this place is a lead, 646 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: you know, and and again I want to school in 647 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: the city, and I didn't have a lot of It 648 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: wasn't like my family we grew up, uh touring college campuses. 649 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: We just didn't do that. I mean, my brother and 650 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: sister are going to college. My sister went to Loyola 651 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: and Baltimore, which is an urban campus. My brother went 652 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: to James Madison in Virginia. So those that's kind of 653 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: what I knew. It wasn't like I had been on 654 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: a lot of college campuses. But when I got there, 655 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,959 Speaker 1: I'm like, this this place is different, this is this 656 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: is there I could go. I could go to a 657 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: lot of places. My suspicion is there aren't many places 658 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: like this. Um so I felt like it was the elite. 659 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: And then you know, your your high school senior and 660 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: you know Grant Hill and Tony Lange and Cherokee part 661 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: all these guys you watched just when national championships are 662 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: there and you walk into Cameron, and it's unique and 663 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: you've seen it on TV. You've seen the camera crazy, 664 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: but you walk in there and this place is just different. Um. 665 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: And obviously Coach was one of the kind as well. 666 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: So UM, when I knew when I was there on 667 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: the visit, Uh, this is it's not going to get better, miss, 668 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: like this is where, this is where I'm going. Um, 669 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: and you know, again, you have all these plans going 670 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: to do not commit on your visits. You take all 671 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: your visits like all that, all that, all that stuff 672 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: that sounds wonderful in theory, but you know, like eventually 673 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: you got to follow your own heart. So visited, had 674 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: a great visit. My lad went to church with Coach 675 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,760 Speaker 1: k on Sunday morning, and I went to the airport 676 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: and flew out and remember getting home and basically tell 677 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: him like that's where I want to go to school. 678 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: And I was supposed to visit in North Carolina the 679 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: next weekend, Uh, telling my coaches, and my coaches really 680 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: wanted me to visit the you know, like are you 681 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: sure this, Like, but you've committed and you've committed to 682 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: taking visits. I'm like, yeah, but I don't want to 683 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: waste any more time, like I know where I want 684 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: to go, Like why would I do something when I 685 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: already have arrived at a decision like that doesn't even 686 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: as a seventeen year old, like that doesn't make a 687 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: ton of sense to me. So I committed. I called 688 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: and committed, and uh yeah, all right. So that's it 689 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: for part one. Okay, stay tuned for Part two gets 690 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: really really, really good, including including way tie here, how 691 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: and when he was offered to be an assistant coach 692 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 1: at Duke. You're not gonna believe it. The meantime, remember 693 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,240 Speaker 1: to download, subscribe, rate reviews, send it to a buddy. Um, 694 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: this is great stuff. This is the kind of thing 695 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: I know. So many of you are assistant coaches or 696 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: basketball guys and you're driving too a game, you're driving 697 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: too a tournament, driving to see a kid play, maybe 698 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: you're driving to see Duke play. Um, you're driving a 699 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: Cameron and send him to a friend, because that's what 700 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: it's meant for, paid for learned about stories about life 701 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,720 Speaker 1: and people and uh, spoken word is so easy to ingest. 702 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: Reminder of The Doug Out Lip Show is daily three 703 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 1: to six eastern twelve three Pacific on Fox Sports Tradio 704 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: and the I Heart Radio app. Man, my thanks to 705 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: see bog House. Yeah, I'm Doug Gottlieb In This is 706 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: all the