WEBVTT - CLASSIC: Marie Antoinette and the Diamond Necklace Hoax

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, Pillow, Ridiculous Historians. We are returning to you

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<v Speaker 1>with a very glitzy classic episode.

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<v Speaker 2>We sure are very glitzy and glamy and Marie Antoinette

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<v Speaker 2>let them eat cakey. Okay, she didn't say that, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's still fun to talk about. We are talking about

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a heist today, a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of what do they call that, court intrigue? Castle intrigue?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure? Yeah. Marie Antoinette had, like so many royals and

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<v Speaker 1>celebrities of her day, she always was fighting against gossip

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<v Speaker 1>and scuttle. But by seventeen eighty four, public opinion was

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<v Speaker 1>not one hundred percent on board with her. It became

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<v Speaker 1>completely ruined by allegations that she called her own crown

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<v Speaker 1>jewelers out of this crazy expensive diamond necklace.

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<v Speaker 2>This sounds about right. Let's just jump right into the stories,

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<v Speaker 2>shall we.

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>the show Ridiculous Historians. My name is Ben, and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to welcome back one of my favorite people ever. Folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say hi to Noel Brown. Wait a minute, what

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<v Speaker 1>was I gone?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Right, I was gone. I felt really rough about

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<v Speaker 2>that it was. I realized it was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>that I had had to be out of a ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>history episode. We do an O show together, Folks may

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<v Speaker 2>know stuff that I want you to know, or we're

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<v Speaker 2>a grace with Matt Frederick, so being out of that

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<v Speaker 2>one is not a big deal. I can play hooky

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<v Speaker 2>occasionally from that one, but not this one, my friend,

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<v Speaker 2>not this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you were sorely missed, and we have so much

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<v Speaker 1>to catch up on about the Black Plague in Norway.

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<v Speaker 1>And then oh and also shout out to our super producer,

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<v Speaker 1>Casey Pegram.

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<v Speaker 2>Was with us. He was there the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>Casey, what was what was that other one we did

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<v Speaker 1>with Christopher hasiotis?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, then this is the worst question because we

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<v Speaker 3>never remember what we did ten minutes ago, the Black plague,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we.

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<v Speaker 2>Had oh that's right, yes, yeah, I saw the emails.

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<v Speaker 2>I was set on those emails. You remember the episode

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<v Speaker 2>that you did do better or at least with more

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<v Speaker 2>clarity than we did. Well, folks, never fear, as we said, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Nol was on some adventures. Some stuff will be revealed

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<v Speaker 2>in time. Very glad to have you back, my guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really glad to be back. And I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say when I said I can't be absent from this show,

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<v Speaker 2>neither one of us can. Well that's not entirely true,

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<v Speaker 2>because we have the wonderful, incredible, very smart and well

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<v Speaker 2>spoken Christopher Hasiotis who stepped in beautifully and I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate that he was able to do that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was able to have my adventures and guilt free for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's not only hilarious, but that guy's got a

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<v Speaker 1>jaw line for days. He's got like a Thoor Avengers jawline.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy does he ever in a fantastic haircut, and really

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<v Speaker 2>good tasting food.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you're hearing this, Christopher, Yeah, it is true

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<v Speaker 1>though he professionally speaking has great taste of food.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to I want to get something air out

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<v Speaker 2>something right now. Before we get started the show, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a little bit of a Facebook message thread that

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<v Speaker 2>was going on between me and Christopher yesterday about the

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<v Speaker 2>movie Mandy. I chimed in on a discussion about one

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<v Speaker 2>of the episodes, you guys, did I believe it was

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<v Speaker 2>the Black Plague one because Christopher said that he absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>hated Mandy and thought it was a terrible movie. And

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<v Speaker 2>then he actually, in a later exchange, texted me they

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<v Speaker 2>titled it Mandy, but a better name would have been man,

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<v Speaker 2>these are one hundred minutes of my life I'll never

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<v Speaker 2>get back.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I chimed in on the thread and said,

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<v Speaker 2>you're dead to me, Christopher hasiotis dead all caps, And

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<v Speaker 2>then I wanted to clarify that he's not actually dead

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<v Speaker 2>to me. That's just a movie that I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>go to bat for kind of a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>On this side. We're on the same page. I'm one

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<v Speaker 1>of the people who got it.

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<v Speaker 2>In the theaters here exactly, I know for sure, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know you're on my team. You're on team Mandy.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a hill that I tend to die on

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of people that movie was not for everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>but apparently not for a boy Christopher. But I will

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<v Speaker 2>not hold it against him, and he means, in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>not dead to me, but very much alive.

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<v Speaker 1>We're very much on the same page about things. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that you're picking up hill to die on.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been using that for a few months and I

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<v Speaker 1>want it to be back in popular parlance.

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<v Speaker 2>We were what they call an arbiter of culture and

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<v Speaker 2>language my friends. Yes, sir, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I just get obsessed with things. I've also been going

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<v Speaker 1>through this phase where I'm somewhat obsessed or I'm fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>with hoaxes. I'm going through a hoax thing. You like

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<v Speaker 1>a good hoax? No, who doesn't like a good hoax?

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<v Speaker 1>Ben people who get hoaxed? Everybody else?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So where does our story take us today? We are

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<v Speaker 1>traveling to France. We are traveling to France, not in

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<v Speaker 1>these our modern days, but in the late summer of

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen eighty five, where Europe is gripped by a scandal.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody is watching the news. This is a thank god

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<v Speaker 1>there's no Twitter moment, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. If I'm trying to bring anything back or at

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<v Speaker 2>least make something happen, it's pronouncing the word scandal as scandal.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was one of those. To be sure, this

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<v Speaker 2>involved a couple of important things. One the center of

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<v Speaker 2>this scandal was a diamond necklace of absolutely immeasurable value. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it was measurable, but it was pretty massive because it

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<v Speaker 2>contained something in the neighborhood of six hundred and fifty stones,

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<v Speaker 2>and it weighed twenty eight hundred carrots, which is a weight.

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<v Speaker 2>As it turns out, I guess I didn't quite realize that, Benz.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just.

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<v Speaker 1>Gold nose, camerales, rubies, precious stones, pearls as well. Nowadays

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear a carrot, it was a bit loosey

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<v Speaker 1>goosey back in the glory days of the seventeen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>But nowadays a carrot is about two hundred milligrams, and

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<v Speaker 1>by about I mean exactly two hundred milligrams.

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<v Speaker 2>And what kind of what were the stones in question

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<v Speaker 2>in this particular piece of ostentatious jewelry.

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<v Speaker 1>Diamonds, diamonds, buddy, all diamonds.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta shine, You got a sparkle, you got a snap,

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<v Speaker 2>crackle pop.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're royalty, you go to diamonds. And this diamond

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<v Speaker 1>made by the crown jewelers Boehmer and Bessange.

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<v Speaker 2>Had gone missing missing. You say, see nice, was there

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of heist or how does a how does

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of jewelry of such price go missing?

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<v Speaker 1>They say, we have sold this to Maui Antoinette through

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<v Speaker 1>an intermediary, the Cardinal de Rohan. She denies any involvement.

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<v Speaker 1>Moi that is, and everybody knew she hated the cardinals.

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<v Speaker 1>She thought he was a real pill.

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<v Speaker 2>She never would have made him her intermediator, used him

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<v Speaker 2>as some kind of go between. Right, No, and he

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<v Speaker 2>denies this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Cheryl Crowe picking us to deliver her next guitar.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we made nice with Cheryl We. I love Cheryl Crow.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Cheryl Crow. Have I talked about how much

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<v Speaker 2>I love the bongos on every day as a winding road?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a really, really important use of bongos

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<v Speaker 2>in popular music.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's a brilliant songwriter. And I wish she

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<v Speaker 1>would stop sending so much email. It's really it's really

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<v Speaker 1>getting out of control. But anyway, they had Maui Antoinette

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<v Speaker 1>and the Cardinal de Rohan had this had this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ridiculous history Cheryl thing. And the question was why

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<v Speaker 1>would May have asked the cardinal to act on her behalf?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, and I got it wrong. Ron did not deny it.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite the opposite. He claimed to have had written in

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<v Speaker 2>the Queen's own hand a letter instructing him to carry

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<v Speaker 2>out this transaction.

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<v Speaker 1>And she, you know, she publicly despised the guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>she said that she wasn't involved. But now he's saying

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<v Speaker 1>he has, as you said, no written documentation, and he

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<v Speaker 1>doubled down on this, right, he said, also furthermore, a

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<v Speaker 1>year ago, not only did she did she write and

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<v Speaker 1>sign this contract for sale that is in my possession,

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<v Speaker 1>but a year before that she met me in secret

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<v Speaker 1>and Versailles.

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<v Speaker 2>In the garden of Versailles. It's true. Why all the

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<v Speaker 2>cloak and daggery ben, why all the clandestinists.

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<v Speaker 1>Lay it on me? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Why? Well, here's the thing. It caught the imagination of

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<v Speaker 2>the public. It became like this kind of this whole

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<v Speaker 2>affair involving this necklace became this like almost theatrical kind

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<v Speaker 2>of charade. Right, But here's the thing. It had real

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<v Speaker 2>consequences that resonated through the French Revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, we should introduce another character here in this story.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got our players. We've got Mala Antoinette, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've got Cardinal Rohan, the Grand Almoner of France Almonder Almoner, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>not that fun al mon e. R.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he was just like a proprietor of like

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<v Speaker 2>tasty almonds.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in charge of all the almonds in France, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every every single one goes through him and at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>fun fact, ridiculous historians. You know how barbers were also

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<v Speaker 1>qualified to be surgeons. People in charge of almonds were

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<v Speaker 1>also qualified to be in charge of diamonds because they're

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<v Speaker 1>both sort of small and stonelike.

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<v Speaker 2>Qualified as probably a strong word. See where you're going

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<v Speaker 2>with this then, So let's let's lay it out here.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's lay out the players. Up to this point.

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<v Speaker 2>You just did the two main ones. We also have

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<v Speaker 2>the jewelers Boehmer and Massan. She kind of take a backseat. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a really great article about this that's called the

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<v Speaker 2>Necklace that cost Marie Antoinette her life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that was.

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<v Speaker 2>In the Telegraph, and in it they talk about how

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<v Speaker 2>from his place of exile on Saint Helena, Napoleon actually

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<v Speaker 2>kind of weighed in on this after Marie Antoinette met

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<v Speaker 2>her untimely demise. Spoiler dies, it's true. Yeah, it's in

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<v Speaker 2>the movie The Queen's Death. He said, must be dated

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<v Speaker 2>from the Diamond necklace trial.

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<v Speaker 1>So Cardinal de Rohan was desperately trying to get into

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<v Speaker 1>Moya Antoinette's inner circle. And the problem with this was

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<v Speaker 1>that Moi's mother had warned her not to mess with

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<v Speaker 1>Cardinal de Rohan. So it was sort of like that,

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<v Speaker 1>justin Bieber song my Mom and don't like you and

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<v Speaker 1>she likes everyone exactly exactly like that. It was exactly

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and he was struggling. He had he had

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<v Speaker 1>been caught making fun of Mali Antoinette in seventeen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was literally like he made a funny

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<v Speaker 1>meme about her and that got too back to her,

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<v Speaker 1>so she swore never to speak to him again. And

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<v Speaker 1>he thought his career was over. He thought it would

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<v Speaker 1>never get a shot at Chief Minister, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>position he really wanted. Until that is he met another character,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the pivotal characters in today's story. And although

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<v Speaker 1>her name is Jeanne as far as I can say it,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to defer to you, Casey, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>pronounce her title?

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<v Speaker 3>It would actually be Jeanne because she's got two inns

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<v Speaker 3>in an e jean contest de la motte valois de

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<v Speaker 3>la motte Vaulnoilo.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll just call her Jane Jean. Is that okay? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>We'll call her Jean John like.

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<v Speaker 3>A yeah, yeah, like Jean Dark or something.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Casey on the case big time. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never whatever. I'm never gonna be able to repeat

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<v Speaker 2>any of that, So Jean from here from here on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she was descended from an illegitimate branch of the family,

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<v Speaker 1>the royal family, and this was the dynasty that came

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<v Speaker 1>before the Bourbons, and she had a terrible childhood. Her

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<v Speaker 1>father was a hardcore alcoholic, her mother totally ghosted on her.

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<v Speaker 1>She was taken in by an aristocratic family outside of Paris,

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<v Speaker 1>but then she came back when she was an adult

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<v Speaker 1>to Champagne and she was intent on getting her family

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<v Speaker 1>land back, and then that plan fell through. She married

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<v Speaker 1>a guy named Nicholas de la Motte. They went to

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<v Speaker 1>Paris to try to get people to back them up,

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't really work. They got more and more destitute,

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<v Speaker 1>and her ambition to establish herself as legitimate seemed worse

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<v Speaker 1>and worse and worse. So she is in dire streets

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<v Speaker 1>as well. When she meets Cardinal real Han.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's true. And this becomes a real turning point.

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<v Speaker 2>When she meets Rohan, he was kind of into her

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<v Speaker 2>and didn't really have any problem showing that he gave

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<v Speaker 2>her money, and it's very likely that they became lovers

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<v Speaker 2>despite his I guess vow of celibacy. Right, isn't that

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<v Speaker 2>a thing for a cardinal? Isn't that an?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like everybody is supposed to use tarted signals.

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<v Speaker 2>That's also true, and jaywalking is technically a crime. He

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<v Speaker 2>told her that in order to restore her patrimony that

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<v Speaker 2>she needed to go directly to the Queen. But as

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<v Speaker 2>we said earlier, the Queen was not a fan of Rohan.

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<v Speaker 2>He was sort of like a little Finger type character.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he was very considered kind of slimy and

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<v Speaker 2>backstabbing by her because of his talking out of school,

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<v Speaker 2>and so this was not necessarily going to be something

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<v Speaker 2>that he could help his new young lady friends with

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<v Speaker 2>because he really had no.

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<v Speaker 1>Pull, right right, He had no juice, no suction, as

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<v Speaker 1>they say in the wire. So Sean, we can only imagine, says,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what this plan needs to really just make

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<v Speaker 1>it pop is a little bit of theatricality, Right, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go to the theatol with it. So she waits in

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<v Speaker 1>the mirrored gallery of Versailles on Candle Moss in seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty four. And when the Queen walks by, Jean swoons

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<v Speaker 1>and she is clutching her petition to get her land

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<v Speaker 1>restored to her chest, and she's hoping that the Queen

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<v Speaker 1>will see her fall out, you know, and that she

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<v Speaker 1>will say, oh, no, who is this beautiful put upon

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<v Speaker 1>fainting woman, and how can I help her? So she

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<v Speaker 1>she essentially she fakes fainting, and the Queen walks right

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<v Speaker 1>by and never asks who fainted. But this is not

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<v Speaker 1>what she tells the Cardinal. Instead, she tells her lover,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cardinal that the Queen had taken pity on her,

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<v Speaker 1>had noticed, and that they had become b FF's Biffles,

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<v Speaker 1>that they had become best friends forever, Biffles and Mauie.

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<v Speaker 1>Antoinette was the kind of person who had this track record.

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<v Speaker 1>It was totally within her mo to find and sort

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<v Speaker 1>of adopt people, and she was somewhat reclusive despite this,

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<v Speaker 1>so a lot of the people in court didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>know her day to day circle of friends. And so

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<v Speaker 1>now the tables have turned. Now the Cardinal is begging

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<v Speaker 1>shown to broker some kind of I guess peace agreement

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<v Speaker 1>with the Queen. You know, like, sorry about that meme.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry you found that funny note about you. I was

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<v Speaker 1>passing around. Let's be cool, and she agreed, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was a increasing correspondence between the cardinal and moy and

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<v Speaker 1>the Queen promised apparently that he would eventually be Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's a lot going on here. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>take a little asign just because I was looking into

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<v Speaker 2>this while you were talking. Candle Mass. It's a holiday

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<v Speaker 2>that I was not familiar with. That is the day

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<v Speaker 2>in which this original meeting took place, and it has

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<v Speaker 2>a fantastic extended name. First of all, it is the

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<v Speaker 2>name of the Christian holy day wherein Mary and Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>forty days after the birth of Jesus, brought him to

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<v Speaker 2>the temple to be purified, and you know, the rights

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<v Speaker 2>of purification dedication performed on him, and that's something that

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<v Speaker 2>is in the Torah as necessary, and then that is

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<v Speaker 2>actually described in the Book of Leviticus twelve one through four.

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<v Speaker 2>But the extended name of Candle Mass is the feast

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<v Speaker 2>of the presentation of our Lord Jesus Christ and the

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<v Speaker 2>feast of the purification of the blessed Virgin Mary. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I got. So where are we at now, Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot going on here. I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>take a little breath so we can collect ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. We should also mention that an almoner, while we're

0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.120
<v Speaker 1>at definitions, is just one who distributes alms, so one

0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:48.639
<v Speaker 1>who distributes money to the poor, not almonds related. But yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So back to this correspondence. The problem is this correspondence

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<v Speaker 1>that the Cardinal believes is going very very well, is

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<v Speaker 1>all coming to him via She is dictating the letters

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<v Speaker 1>to a local and they will call him a stationer

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, like a stationary owner, someone who writes

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<v Speaker 1>letters professionally. She's telling this guy what to write, and

0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the Cardinal is desperate. He's like, oh, you know enough

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<v Speaker 1>of this. Clearly we get along. I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>be your prime minister. I'm gonna do such a wonderful job.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's meet in person, let's meet irl. But the Queen

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<v Speaker 1>always says, it's not quite the right moment for me

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to the king about this. Just just you

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, you hold on, And the Cardinal is becoming

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<v Speaker 1>less and less patient, and Jean is saying, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>get some sort of situation where this guy at least

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<v Speaker 1>feels like he's met the queen. Oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>she's still married. She's sleeping with this dude. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>she's still married to this other, a man of the cloth.

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<v Speaker 1>She's sleeping with a man of the cloth. Which is

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<v Speaker 1>that by the moment, is that the thing that goes

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<v Speaker 1>around the neck is that the cloth?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is the cloth? There's a lot of cloth there,

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<v Speaker 2>and that probably weirds you out, doesn't it. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>a fan of cloth.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know, I'm okay with cloth costume.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait a minute, I'm not thinking. I'm thinking of

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<v Speaker 2>our mutual friend Frank. He's the one that doesn't like

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<v Speaker 2>cloth and like like fabricy feelings. He's got a cotton

0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:25.119
<v Speaker 2>cotton thing. That's it. You're you're more of the metal, metal, cardboard, cardboard,

0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.119
<v Speaker 2>phone calls and any material. So yeah, no, she needed

0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.840
<v Speaker 2>him to feel like he had had audience with the queen.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where in the unless I'm mistaken, then we

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<v Speaker 2>get our Marie Antoinette doppelganger or impersonator entering the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. So her scally wag soldier husband

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<v Speaker 1>Nicholas comes to her with an idea. I've been hanging

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<v Speaker 1>around in the Palais Royale and I've been being kind

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<v Speaker 1>of looche. You guys, remember I finally got a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to use Lucia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet and trying to make Loosh happen. Bens, I'm not trying,

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<v Speaker 2>it's happening. Yeah, I'm I'm not trying to do things

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<v Speaker 2>man Yoda style. This is just happening. And while he's there,

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<v Speaker 2>he meets a sex worker named Nicole Legui. She is blonde,

0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:19.040
<v Speaker 2>blue eyed, and physically, you know, she looks like the Queen.

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<v Speaker 2>She resembles her. He visits her, he gets to know her,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, like carnally well, that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of establishment, Ben, is it that kind of place.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, eventually, eventually he's been hanging out with her and

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<v Speaker 1>he introduces her to his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's also not forget that this was I mean, you

0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.840
<v Speaker 2>can't forget this is a time where unless you saw

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<v Speaker 2>the Queen, if you saw the Queen in person, it

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be from a distance, and most likely

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<v Speaker 2>the closest thing you'd ever get to actually see the

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<v Speaker 2>Queen would be some sort of painting painted facsimile writer

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<v Speaker 2>or a little cameo, a little cameo uch or something exactly. Yeah,

0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:03.840
<v Speaker 2>there's no proliferation of digital images or even photography, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So he introduces his friends to his wife. Is my

0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 2>friend Nicole. Nicole meets Cheng and don't you think she

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<v Speaker 2>looks like the Queen?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think? Honey? This is why I've been

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.280
<v Speaker 1>hanging out with her, because I'm helping you.

0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing this for us exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Jean takes to Nicole and we have a

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<v Speaker 1>quote wherein she is convincing Nicole to take part in

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of plan involving the Queen.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is what Jean says to her pal Nicole.

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<v Speaker 2>She says, quote, I have the Queen's confidence. She and

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<v Speaker 2>I are as close as two fingers of a hand.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an interesting one. I'm gonna try to bring that

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<v Speaker 2>back and make that happen. Yeah, And then she goes

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<v Speaker 2>on to say she has just given me new proof

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<v Speaker 2>of this in charging me to find a person who

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<v Speaker 2>could do something that will be explained when the time comes. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that is very.

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<v Speaker 1>Vague, super vague, super vague.

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<v Speaker 2>So does Nicole agree out of a sense of patriotism

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<v Speaker 2>or does she agree because she gets fifteen thousand francs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's no sure answer. So later that evening

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<v Speaker 1>they leave and they go to the Lamont's apartment in Versailles,

0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:28.200
<v Speaker 1>and still Sean does not explain the plan. Nicole says, Okay,

0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.879
<v Speaker 1>you're being real vague with me, says, what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>with the queen? I appreciate the money. Instead, Sean says, oh,

0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:40.880
<v Speaker 1>it's the smallest thing in the world. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>meet the queen, but you can't do it without a title.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jean dubs her the Casey checked me on this.

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<v Speaker 1>The barone doliva. God sounds so beautiful when you say it, man,

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<v Speaker 1>Casey's on that case. So now she has a title.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole has been elevated in life.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and there's a funny little detail in that Telegraph

0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.960
<v Speaker 2>article that points out that that is very close to

0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.000
<v Speaker 2>an anagram of her own surname, which is Valoi.

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's sort of like, sort of like in all

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:17.639
<v Speaker 1>those films where the character is named doctor Alucard turns

0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:19.159
<v Speaker 1>out to be Dracula.

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<v Speaker 2>Spoiler Just so, just so.

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<v Speaker 1>So, now Jean is grooming Nicole and dressing her up

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<v Speaker 1>and she gives her a letter and she says, hey, Nicole,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna lead you to the park of the Palace

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're going to hand this letter over to

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<v Speaker 1>this really snazzy dude that you'll meet there. I'm paraphrasing.

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 1>She did not actually say snazzy dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but surely he was very well dressed.

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Sure oh he was all snazz.

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:53.400
<v Speaker 2>He definitely was. I like that phrase too, snazz Oh.

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 2>And then there's this perfect beautiful detail. It's just the

0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing out of like a heist movie or

0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:59.760
<v Speaker 2>sort of at least some kind of you know, grand

0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:04.639
<v Speaker 2>caper of some sort, where she had to hand a rose,

0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 2>a red rose, over with the letter, and she's instructed

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:13.240
<v Speaker 2>to say to this snazzy person, this all snazz guy.

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.960
<v Speaker 2>He will know what this means. And the Queen will

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<v Speaker 2>be there to see how the interview goes. She'll be

0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:24.399
<v Speaker 2>watching from the wings. One must assume, oh no, no.

0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:26.199
<v Speaker 2>She even goes on to say she will speak to

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<v Speaker 2>you later, she will be behind you.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is just his reality show. Is that sounds folks?

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:39.360
<v Speaker 1>This poor poor Nicole is given this fake title and

0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>she is literally handing a rose to a guy. No

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<v Speaker 1>matter what he says, she's only supposed to say, you

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:49.159
<v Speaker 1>know what this means? Can you believe it? Anyway? She

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:52.679
<v Speaker 1>is on board. She is roughly a million percent on board,

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:56.080
<v Speaker 1>hook line and sinker. She is all about it. She's

0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:58.920
<v Speaker 1>freaked out. She's going to meet one of the most

0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 1>powerful people in her country. And she's in the garden,

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the grove of Venus specifically, it is incredibly dark. She

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 1>can't see anything, she doesn't really hear anything. She's just

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:16.639
<v Speaker 1>walking around in the dark, and she's wondering where the

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:20.440
<v Speaker 1>queen's hiding, and where's this dude, where's this all snazz

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:21.920
<v Speaker 1>dude that she's supposed to meet.

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<v Speaker 2>So we should backtrack, ever so slightly at this delightful

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 2>cliffhanger that you set up so beautifully. But Jean had

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 2>been kind of dangling the queen let's say a little

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 2>bit in front of Rohan. Yes, in terms of, you know,

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 2>the possibility of him meeting her and making things better

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 2>between them, right, or at least having him have that

0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 2>chance of a lifetime to worm his way into her

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.159
<v Speaker 2>inner circle. Let's be honest, this guy seems a little wormy.

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.440
<v Speaker 1>For weeks and weeks she's been sort of teasing this

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.439
<v Speaker 1>little finger of our story. You made that comparison earlier,

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>I quite like it. And then he would hang out,

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<v Speaker 1>just literally loiter around Versailles, hoping to run into Mali Antoinette.

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't until August twelfth that he gets word

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:14.199
<v Speaker 1>from Jean that he can meet the queen, but he

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 1>asked to meet her secretly at night in the garden, essentially,

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:23.639
<v Speaker 1>and Mayu was not yet ready to reveal their agreement

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:29.479
<v Speaker 1>to the public. So he hung around and he actually

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>did not dress all snazz. He was dressed in all

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>black and he had a hat on. He was looking conspiratorial,

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean totally.

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 2>It's like the period equivalent of like a trench coat

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 2>and some sort of fida. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 1>So he's waiting around, He's like, ah, there's going to

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 1>be another fruitless night of waiting. The things I do

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to be prime minister, he's thinking. He's probably also thinking,

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I have so many alms to give in the morning.

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, who runs up to him,

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Not the Queen, not Nicole, but first show.

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 2>It's right, it's our girl, Jean, who really is a

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 2>little bit almost more out little fingering, the little finger

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 2>of our story. For sure, she is panting, she's out

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:16.640
<v Speaker 2>of breath. She's very upset, or at least she's flustered

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 2>at least, maybe not in the outright upset, But she

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>tells him who is upset, and that's the Queen. The

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Queen is very upset because she's so very much wanted

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 2>to have this encounter with Rohan, and that's not gonna

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:32.160
<v Speaker 2>be possible because the Queen's sisters in law have kind of,

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, headed her off at the past, I guess,

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 2>or you know, done a surprise walk and talk that. Yeah,

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.399
<v Speaker 2>she couldn't get out of it, so he's gonna have

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 2>to hang back Rohan. This is what Jean is telling him,

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and that she, the Queen, plans to skidaddle out of there,

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:52.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, put in a little face time, and then

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 2>make an excuse and then abscond off to meet secretly

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 2>to keep the meeting. But it's gonna have to be quick,

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 2>and it's gonna be very close because they're hot on

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 2>their heels. She doesn't want anyone to see this absurdly

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 2>suspicious character because it seems like he's supposedly dressing for secrecy,

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 2>but I would think he would be very suspicious looking

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 2>dressed that way.

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely true. He's trying to look inconspicuous, and you know,

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>there's a point where you reach diminishing returns with dressing inconspicuous.

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Trench coat for doorra he went full trench coat Fedora.

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>So the kicker for this is that she says, don't worry, though,

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the queen will give you, quote, unequivocal proofs of her

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>protection and benevolence. And he's like, okay, okay, I'm in,

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm in. So Sean leads the cardinal to this opening

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 1>in a clearing and he sees this figure, you know,

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of silhouetted in the darkness, and he also goes

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 1>all in. You know, his heart's probably racing, he's probably

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>really freaked out. He walks to this figure and he

0:28:56.520 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 1>kneels at her feet and she, by the way, is Nicole, right,

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the new barone, And she is not sure what to do,

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>so she just thrust this rose toward him, and she

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of hides her face with her fan, and she

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>says that she couldn't remember exactly what she said in

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the conversation, but the cardinal claimed that he heard her say,

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 1>you may believe the past will be forgotten. So boom,

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>there we go. It appears that for all intents and purposes,

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>this cardinal has met the Queen, and the Queen is good,

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and she has appeared to back up all the fake

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>letters that this cardinal has been receiving. And Rohan essentially

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>just really wanted to see the queen, and he saw

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>what he wanted to see. A little bit later, he

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>received a written request on this paper. This was always

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>blue bordered paper because it was from that one stationary shop.

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>He received a request for sixty thousand francs to help

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>an impoverished family. And again, let's remember this guy's job

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>is to distribute money to the poor. So he goes

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 1>through with that, and then in the beginning of seventeen

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>eighty five, another request arrives. Get this, it's ordering him

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>to negotiate the purpose of a certain diamond necklace. That's right,

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 1>thought we forgot No, we just set it up in

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a weird way.

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I was wondering we were going to come back around

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 2>to it myself. Then I was too, So she gets

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 2>this letter. There's a lot of backstory here, right, Noel

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>gets this letter from the Queen saying, hey, set this

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 2>up for me, help me buy this necklace. And the

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 2>problem here is that these crown jewelers that we mentioned earlier,

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Boehmer and Bassinge, as you said, have been trying for

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>years and years and years to sell this super ostentatious, extravagant,

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>opulent necklace that had how many diamonds. Yeah, it was

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>like pushing six fifty six hundred and fifty stones, twenty

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred carrots.

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Huge, huge, again, extravagant, opulent, ostentatious, all those words, all

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 1>the words, and they have been presenting this to the

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>King and the Queen turned it down and they knocked

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 1>some money off the price, but it was still considered

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>too much.

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was reduced to somewhere in the neighborhood of

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 2>one point six million. And this is news to me, guys.

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Livre which is a different currency from the fronc, and

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>that's the franc wasn't around until seventeen ninety five.

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 2>So let's she clarify that. That's right. And I think

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 2>we talked about some payoffs being in francs earlier in

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 2>the show. Was not a thing yet. The livra which

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Casey being on the case, as he tends to be

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 2>clued us into that that actually means a book.

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, booker a pound, Casey on the case, Thanks for

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>saving the show man every time speak behind the curve

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>of folks. Every time we do an episode concerning the

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>French language. Now we have learned. We've learned to check

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>with Casey slightly in advance so that we don't put

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 1>over on the spot by saying. There was one episode

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 1>where we said, hey, Casey, can you just translate this

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>entire paragraph for us?

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 2>And he was like, guys, I need a little a

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 2>little time.

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't been modern French.

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not just here like French monkey, you know.

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>So you're right, it's very important. This is a currency.

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>The cost is reduced. They still can't sell this because

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's like a gold plated ferrari, you know

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. It's just a lot. It's too much.

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 2>And how much would it have taken for something to

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 2>be too extravagant and expensive for the Queen of France, right,

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 2>not exactly known for their penny pinching ways or like,

0:32:57.640 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, keeping things modest.

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>That's true, and so Sean sees this opportunity, and she

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>talks to her buddy, the cardinal, and she says, hey,

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 1>will you help the queen buy this necklace and the

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 1>payment will be made in four installments over two years,

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>and he is down to clown. He is on board.

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>So the jewelers are overwhelmed with joy. They are elated.

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Someone is gonna buy this. The Queen is gonna buy this.

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna yeah, we'll give you the necklace and then

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 1>you'll just pay us off in those four installments over

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 1>two years. So on the first of February seventeen eighty five,

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the jewelers Boemer and Bissinge give the necklace to the cardinal.

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>The cardinal gives it to Sean and Jean. What does

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>she do? Does she make four payments over two years? Now?

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Does she say, hey, I was lying to you? What

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>does she do?

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 2>She just kind of books it with the goods? You know,

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 2>she's the real puppa man in this whole thing.

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 1>The guys are so say, I know I say it

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>too much, but I love that film Usual Suspects.

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Check it out.

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're absolutely right, man. She ghosts. And then on

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 1>July twelfth of that year, the jewelers send a letter

0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>to the queen. Boehmer specifically sends a letter to the

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Queen and mentions the necklace. The Queen doesn't know what's

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>going on, so she just shreds her mail.

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 2>What's this nonsense?

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 2>What is right in the royal shred? She says, that's

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 2>a quote in her voice, And.

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 1>The jeweler is not getting any word, and he waits

0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and waits and waits, and so later in August he

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>sends a letter to one of Maya Toinette's ladies in waiting,

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, hey, you know, not to be weird

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 1>about it, but I'm really surprised that you guys still

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.839
<v Speaker 1>owe me money for this necklace. You are you know,

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:54.839
<v Speaker 1>your friends, the Queen of France. I don't know how

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 1>to like make this not awkward? Can you can you

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 1>give me some liv Yeah?

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. And this is when the proverbial ish hits the fan,

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 2>when the lady in waiting, Madame Campont, takes this information

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 2>back to the Queen, who then is like, wait a minute,

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.359
<v Speaker 2>something's funky here. I need an explanation. What's going on?

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 2>So in August fifteenth, right before a mass at the

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Royal Chapel. Rohan receives a convocation from the King of France.

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Right as he was leaving, he is arrested in the

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Mirrors and he's completely flabbergasted. Everyone else is

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 2>just in shock. And that is when this news of

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 2>this scandal was about to reach critical mass.

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and that is not hyperbole at all, So this

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>becomes a huge to do a brew haha if you will.

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 1>The Cardinal goes before the Parliament to May of seventeen

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:05.320
<v Speaker 1>eighty six. Surprisingly, he's declared innocent. They track down Sean

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 1>and her team and they are arrested and she, for

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 1>the crime of being a con artist, is branded with

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:18.880
<v Speaker 1>a hot iron and she's the hot iron brand that

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 1>she receives is a capital V, and that stands for

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>thief in French. What's that word casey volure voaleure thief

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:31.840
<v Speaker 1>a genuine scarlet letter. And although the Queen is innocent,

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>her reputation is tarnished. You know, she can't walk back

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 1>from that. She may have won in the court of

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>the law, but she has failed in the court of

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:45.720
<v Speaker 1>public opinion. And from that point on, she really really

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 1>wanted the absolute worst for the Cardinal, for Rohan, who

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 1>she already didn't care for, who she already didn't care for.

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Great point. So although the cardinal was acquitted, it didn't

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:02.240
<v Speaker 1>help that the Queen of the Cune hated this dude.

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 1>So he loses all his offices and he is exiled.

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:11.080
<v Speaker 1>And then our anti hero of the story, Sean, for

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 1>this crime, this diamond hoax, is sentenced to be flogged.

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 1>She's got the hot v on her and she is

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:24.320
<v Speaker 1>going to prison for life. At least that was her sentence.

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>She later escapes to England and publishes publishes a hit

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>piece on the queen, so she doesn't really feel bad.

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Pretty brazen this one, huh.

0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she made it out, but the Queen didn't

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>make it out unscathed.

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:44.839
<v Speaker 2>No, she never really recovered from this. I mean, it's

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 2>interesting because she really didn't do anything. All this stuff

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 2>happened under her nose. She was used at the center

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 2>of this kind of like diamond heist as sort of

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 2>like a patsy, kind of a weird fall guy. And

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.399
<v Speaker 2>in what way was she a fall guy? Well, her

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 2>reputation took an absolute nosedive. Not that I mean, as

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:09.479
<v Speaker 2>we know already not the most popular government in terms

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 2>of the incredible gulf between the rich and the poor,

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:16.359
<v Speaker 2>and the sense that these folks, these mucky munks are

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:19.320
<v Speaker 2>just living it up, you know, at the hotel Versailles

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 2>doing their thing, and the rest of the you know,

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:24.839
<v Speaker 2>common folks are just scrapping in the streets for food.

0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 2>It's like in ley Miz. We've seen lay Miz just

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 2>like that. Yeah, but this just cements that reputation for

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 2>utter moral bankruptcy. And as an article in Britannica about

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 2>the affair of the diamond necklace puts it, frivolity, just

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 2>this sense of the let the meat cake thing, which

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.439
<v Speaker 2>we know is not a real thing, but just that's

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 2>what is encapsulated here in this whole affair. It's like

0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 2>they are so clueless, so out of touch.

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the this is but one of the

0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 1>incidents leaded up to what we call the French Revolution today.

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's strange because I don't know about I don't

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.399
<v Speaker 1>know about you folks, but I had not heard of this,

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I like many of us here in the US, and

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I had a sort of a vague outline or chronology

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>of the French Revolution and the transformation of its government.

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:20.799
<v Speaker 1>But I had no idea there was a diamond heist.

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.360
<v Speaker 1>They should be telling more people about this in school.

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Everybody likes a good diamond heist. Everybody likes a good hoax.

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 1>That's true. And this concludes our story of the affair

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 1>of the diamond Necklace, or, as you said earlier, Noel,

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the scandal.

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Here's my question, Ben, how do you of fence an

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>item like that? You go to England, you go to

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:42.960
<v Speaker 2>a different country, you sell it to another monarchy.

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you break it down and just sell the diamonds.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably what you'd have to do, because surely there

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<v Speaker 2>would be apbs out for this thing across the land.

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<v Speaker 1>I always wonder about Europe. Yeah, I always wonder about that.

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<v Speaker 1>With art hoaxes and unique items, you know, like someone

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<v Speaker 1>steals a priceless painting, how do you fence that? Who

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<v Speaker 1>do you sell it to? Do you go on Craigslist?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I've never I've done a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things in my life, but I have yet to steal

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<v Speaker 1>and fence priceless artwork. Hey, maybe twenty nineteens my year. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the thing too. Are there like shadowy you

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<v Speaker 2>know collectors that are the ones who are brazen enough

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<v Speaker 2>to buy that stuff, and that's where they keep that

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<v Speaker 2>in their secret gallery, right, that's like behind like a

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<v Speaker 2>bookshelf or whatever. You got to walk in.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a really interesting article I had read a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks back that was positing a lot of artwork

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<v Speaker 1>we see in public museums is actually forged, with the

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<v Speaker 1>real pieces being, as you said, in secret galleries.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You think that's likely?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure? But have you seen the movie? Can

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<v Speaker 2>you ever forgive me?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait? Well, it's with what's your name? Melissa McCarthy. It

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty recent. It's about she's like kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>failed writer. Oh yeah, it's a true story where she

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<v Speaker 2>got that best friend who's yeah, the British guy whose

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<v Speaker 2>name I'm forgetting right now, but I love him. He

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<v Speaker 2>was in with Nayla and I and some other Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But her whole thing is and this isn't a spoiler

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't want a mild spoiler about this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's what the movie's about, but you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>it right away. She ends up, you know, she's hard,

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<v Speaker 2>down on her luck, and she ends up forging letters

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<v Speaker 2>from famous famous dead writers and you know, socialites, and

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<v Speaker 2>then she's really good at and she's really good at

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<v Speaker 2>it and she gets the wit and all of that down.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the same with like being able to forge a

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<v Speaker 2>work of art, right, you have to really nail it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more than just making a copy. You almost have

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<v Speaker 2>to have like the soul of the artist and be

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<v Speaker 2>able to copy that.

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<v Speaker 1>I would watch. I would watch The Affair of the

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<v Speaker 1>Diamond Necklace were it a film. And speaking of films,

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<v Speaker 1>let us do what are some of your favorite heist films?

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<v Speaker 1>What are some of your favorite stories of appalling opulence

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<v Speaker 1>from various royal families of time gone by?

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<v Speaker 2>Let us know.

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0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 1>fellows on our Facebook page, Ridiculous Historians. That's the one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one, Yeah, the one we were talking about

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:08.680
<v Speaker 2>the top of the show, where you can follow the

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<v Speaker 2>beef between me and Christopher hastiotis about whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>Mandy's a good film?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you guys were talking on it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Why doesn't I saw what I saw him on it?

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<v Speaker 1>I saw. He said that he would watch it again.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like, the thing is, I went to so

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<v Speaker 1>much trouble trying to get this to play at the Plaza.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't even go well.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't like it. He hated the movie. He literally

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<v Speaker 2>just wrote to me episode I told him about this beef.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, this beef is now ridiculous history Cannon and

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<v Speaker 2>he goes Episode one thirty two, the time Noel Brown

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<v Speaker 2>revealed how historically wrong he was about Mandy. Now I've

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<v Speaker 2>got I've got an ally in this fight for Mandy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you were there all along, Ben, But I

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<v Speaker 2>think we need to we need to sit down with

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher and set the record straight.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna be Sweden on this.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never let someone else's opinion of a film interfere

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<v Speaker 2>with how I feel about it, So I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely not. But he's really doubling down on this. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't negotiate with terrorists. He's borderline entering character assassination territory.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not negotiate with terrorists.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fair. Was that like a JFK voice kind of No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just that's my real voice. Okay, got it. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to follow this ongoing saga, check us

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<v Speaker 2>out on Ridiculous Historians on Facebook. If you want to

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 2>check us out on Instagram. We mainly just post like

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 2>new episodes and stuff. But if you want to check

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 2>out me and Ben's personal exploits, you can follow me

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<v Speaker 2>at Embryonic Insider.

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:29.720
<v Speaker 1>And you can follow me at Ben Bullen. Currently, I

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<v Speaker 1>am snacking on pizzerias or I'm about to, because this

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 1>is one of my favorite long gone chips and I

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:39.399
<v Speaker 1>think I just found a way to get a bag.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben. When I heard you say that, you said snacking

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<v Speaker 2>on pizzerias, I was picturing you like like eating like

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<v Speaker 2>all the pizza available, and.

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<v Speaker 1>The building, like the stone, the benches.

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<v Speaker 2>You're you're sort of like, what's that French guy who

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<v Speaker 2>ate all the things? I think? I think gate a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anybody who eats babies.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's a Brazilian guy who you know what we

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<v Speaker 1>should save this. This is a story for another day.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I just want to point out I googled French

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<v Speaker 2>guy who ate a baby. His name was Terraar and

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<v Speaker 2>he was born in rural France nearly on in seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two, and his whole thing was he would eat anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He was actually hospitalized in a psychiatric ward where it

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<v Speaker 2>is conjectured that he possibly ate a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's also this goes back to the super the

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<v Speaker 1>super stomics, right, the super eaters. That's right, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy in Brazil who's done the same thing. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about the survivors of the crash in the

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 1>andes On. You know, the basis or the inspiration for

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<v Speaker 1>the movie Alive.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'll see you next time, folks. For more

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