1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Pillow, Ridiculous Historians. We are returning to you 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: with a very glitzy classic episode. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: We sure are very glitzy and glamy and Marie Antoinette 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: let them eat cakey. Okay, she didn't say that, but 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 2: it's still fun to talk about. We are talking about 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 2: a bit of a heist today, a bit of a 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: bit of what do they call that, court intrigue? Castle intrigue? 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah. Marie Antoinette had, like so many royals and 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: celebrities of her day, she always was fighting against gossip 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: and scuttle. But by seventeen eighty four, public opinion was 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: not one hundred percent on board with her. It became 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: completely ruined by allegations that she called her own crown 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: jewelers out of this crazy expensive diamond necklace. 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: This sounds about right. Let's just jump right into the stories, 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: shall we. 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 17 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. My name is Ben, and I'd 18 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: like to welcome back one of my favorite people ever. Folks. 19 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: Let's say hi to Noel Brown. Wait a minute, what 20 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: was I gone? 21 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: Oh? Right, I was gone. I felt really rough about 22 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: that it was. I realized it was the first time 23 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: that I had had to be out of a ridiculous 24 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: history episode. We do an O show together, Folks may 25 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: know stuff that I want you to know, or we're 26 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: a grace with Matt Frederick, so being out of that 27 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: one is not a big deal. I can play hooky 28 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: occasionally from that one, but not this one, my friend, 29 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: not this one. 30 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: Well, you were sorely missed, and we have so much 31 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: to catch up on about the Black Plague in Norway. 32 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: And then oh and also shout out to our super producer, 33 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram. 34 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 2: Was with us. He was there the whole time. 35 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: Casey, what was what was that other one we did 36 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: with Christopher hasiotis? 37 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 3: Oh god, then this is the worst question because we 38 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 3: never remember what we did ten minutes ago, the Black plague, 39 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: and then we. 40 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: Had oh that's right, yes, yeah, I saw the emails. 41 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: I was set on those emails. You remember the episode 42 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: that you did do better or at least with more 43 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: clarity than we did. Well, folks, never fear, as we said, uh, 44 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 2: Nol was on some adventures. Some stuff will be revealed 45 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: in time. Very glad to have you back, my guy. 46 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 2: I'm really glad to be back. And I want to 47 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 2: say when I said I can't be absent from this show, 48 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: neither one of us can. Well that's not entirely true, 49 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: because we have the wonderful, incredible, very smart and well 50 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: spoken Christopher Hasiotis who stepped in beautifully and I'm so 51 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: appreciate that he was able to do that, and I 52 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: was able to have my adventures and guilt free for 53 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: the most part. 54 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: And he's not only hilarious, but that guy's got a 55 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: jaw line for days. He's got like a Thoor Avengers jawline. 56 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 2: Boy does he ever in a fantastic haircut, and really 57 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: good tasting food. 58 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: I hope you're hearing this, Christopher, Yeah, it is true 59 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: though he professionally speaking has great taste of food. 60 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: I want to I want to get something air out 61 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: something right now. Before we get started the show, there 62 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: was a little bit of a Facebook message thread that 63 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: was going on between me and Christopher yesterday about the 64 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: movie Mandy. I chimed in on a discussion about one 65 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: of the episodes, you guys, did I believe it was 66 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: the Black Plague one because Christopher said that he absolutely 67 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: hated Mandy and thought it was a terrible movie. And 68 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: then he actually, in a later exchange, texted me they 69 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: titled it Mandy, but a better name would have been man, 70 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: these are one hundred minutes of my life I'll never 71 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: get back. 72 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: Wow. 73 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I chimed in on the thread and said, 74 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: you're dead to me, Christopher hasiotis dead all caps, And 75 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: then I wanted to clarify that he's not actually dead 76 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: to me. That's just a movie that I kind of 77 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: go to bat for kind of a lot. 78 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: On this side. We're on the same page. I'm one 79 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: of the people who got it. 80 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: In the theaters here exactly, I know for sure, and 81 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: you know you're on my team. You're on team Mandy. 82 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: But it's a hill that I tend to die on 83 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: because a lot of people that movie was not for everybody, 84 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: but apparently not for a boy Christopher. But I will 85 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: not hold it against him, and he means, in fact, 86 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: not dead to me, but very much alive. 87 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: We're very much on the same page about things. No. 88 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: I like that you're picking up hill to die on. 89 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: I've been using that for a few months and I 90 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: want it to be back in popular parlance. 91 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: We were what they call an arbiter of culture and 92 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: language my friends. Yes, sir, I think. 93 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: I just get obsessed with things. I've also been going 94 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: through this phase where I'm somewhat obsessed or I'm fascinated 95 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: with hoaxes. I'm going through a hoax thing. You like 96 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: a good hoax? No, who doesn't like a good hoax? 97 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: Ben people who get hoaxed? Everybody else? 98 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 99 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: So where does our story take us today? We are 100 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 1: traveling to France. We are traveling to France, not in 101 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: these our modern days, but in the late summer of 102 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: seventeen eighty five, where Europe is gripped by a scandal. 103 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: Everybody is watching the news. This is a thank god 104 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: there's no Twitter moment, right. 105 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. If I'm trying to bring anything back or at 106 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: least make something happen, it's pronouncing the word scandal as scandal. 107 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: And this was one of those. To be sure, this 108 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: involved a couple of important things. One the center of 109 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: this scandal was a diamond necklace of absolutely immeasurable value. Well, 110 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: it was measurable, but it was pretty massive because it 111 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: contained something in the neighborhood of six hundred and fifty stones, 112 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: and it weighed twenty eight hundred carrots, which is a weight. 113 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: As it turns out, I guess I didn't quite realize that, Benz. 114 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: It's not just. 115 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: Gold nose, camerales, rubies, precious stones, pearls as well. Nowadays 116 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: when you hear a carrot, it was a bit loosey 117 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: goosey back in the glory days of the seventeen hundreds, 118 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: But nowadays a carrot is about two hundred milligrams, and 119 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: by about I mean exactly two hundred milligrams. 120 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: And what kind of what were the stones in question 121 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: in this particular piece of ostentatious jewelry. 122 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: Diamonds, diamonds, buddy, all diamonds. 123 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: You gotta shine, You got a sparkle, you got a snap, 124 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 2: crackle pop. 125 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: If you're royalty, you go to diamonds. And this diamond 126 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: made by the crown jewelers Boehmer and Bessange. 127 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: Had gone missing missing. You say, see nice, was there 128 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: some sort of heist or how does a how does 129 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 2: a piece of jewelry of such price go missing? 130 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: They say, we have sold this to Maui Antoinette through 131 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: an intermediary, the Cardinal de Rohan. She denies any involvement. 132 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: Moi that is, and everybody knew she hated the cardinals. 133 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: She thought he was a real pill. 134 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: She never would have made him her intermediator, used him 135 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: as some kind of go between. Right, No, and he 136 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: denies this. 137 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: It's like Cheryl Crowe picking us to deliver her next guitar. 138 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: Now we made nice with Cheryl We. I love Cheryl Crow. 139 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: I love Cheryl Crow. Have I talked about how much 140 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: I love the bongos on every day as a winding road? 141 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a really, really important use of bongos 142 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: in popular music. 143 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: I think she's a brilliant songwriter. And I wish she 144 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: would stop sending so much email. It's really it's really 145 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: getting out of control. But anyway, they had Maui Antoinette 146 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: and the Cardinal de Rohan had this had this kind 147 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: of ridiculous history Cheryl thing. And the question was why 148 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: would May have asked the cardinal to act on her behalf? 149 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: Oh, and I got it wrong. Ron did not deny it. 150 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: Quite the opposite. He claimed to have had written in 151 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: the Queen's own hand a letter instructing him to carry 152 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: out this transaction. 153 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: And she, you know, she publicly despised the guy, and 154 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: she said that she wasn't involved. But now he's saying 155 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: he has, as you said, no written documentation, and he 156 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: doubled down on this, right, he said, also furthermore, a 157 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: year ago, not only did she did she write and 158 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: sign this contract for sale that is in my possession, 159 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: but a year before that she met me in secret 160 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: and Versailles. 161 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: In the garden of Versailles. It's true. Why all the 162 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: cloak and daggery ben, why all the clandestinists. 163 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: Lay it on me? Man? 164 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: Why? Well, here's the thing. It caught the imagination of 165 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: the public. It became like this kind of this whole 166 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: affair involving this necklace became this like almost theatrical kind 167 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: of charade. Right, But here's the thing. It had real 168 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: consequences that resonated through the French Revolution. 169 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely, we should introduce another character here in this story. 170 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: So we've got our players. We've got Mala Antoinette, and 171 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: we've got Cardinal Rohan, the Grand Almoner of France Almonder Almoner, Okay, 172 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: not that fun al mon e. R. 173 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: I thought he was just like a proprietor of like 174 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: tasty almonds. 175 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: He's in charge of all the almonds in France, you know, 176 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: every every single one goes through him and at the time, 177 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: fun fact, ridiculous historians. You know how barbers were also 178 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: qualified to be surgeons. People in charge of almonds were 179 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: also qualified to be in charge of diamonds because they're 180 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: both sort of small and stonelike. 181 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: Qualified as probably a strong word. See where you're going 182 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 2: with this then, So let's let's lay it out here. 183 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: Let's let's lay out the players. Up to this point. 184 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: You just did the two main ones. We also have 185 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: the jewelers Boehmer and Massan. She kind of take a backseat. Uh. 186 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: There's a really great article about this that's called the 187 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: Necklace that cost Marie Antoinette her life. 188 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that was. 189 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: In the Telegraph, and in it they talk about how 190 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: from his place of exile on Saint Helena, Napoleon actually 191 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: kind of weighed in on this after Marie Antoinette met 192 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: her untimely demise. Spoiler dies, it's true. Yeah, it's in 193 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: the movie The Queen's Death. He said, must be dated 194 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 2: from the Diamond necklace trial. 195 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: So Cardinal de Rohan was desperately trying to get into 196 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: Moya Antoinette's inner circle. And the problem with this was 197 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: that Moi's mother had warned her not to mess with 198 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: Cardinal de Rohan. So it was sort of like that, 199 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: justin Bieber song my Mom and don't like you and 200 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: she likes everyone exactly exactly like that. It was exactly 201 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: like that, and he was struggling. He had he had 202 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: been caught making fun of Mali Antoinette in seventeen seventy one. 203 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: It was it was literally like he made a funny 204 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: meme about her and that got too back to her, 205 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: so she swore never to speak to him again. And 206 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: he thought his career was over. He thought it would 207 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: never get a shot at Chief Minister, which is the 208 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: position he really wanted. Until that is he met another character, 209 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: one of the pivotal characters in today's story. And although 210 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: her name is Jeanne as far as I can say it, 211 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: I've got to defer to you, Casey, how do we 212 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: pronounce her title? 213 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: It would actually be Jeanne because she's got two inns 214 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: in an e jean contest de la motte valois de 215 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: la motte Vaulnoilo. 216 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: We'll just call her Jane Jean. Is that okay? All right? 217 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: We'll call her Jean John like. 218 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: A yeah, yeah, like Jean Dark or something. 219 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: All right, Casey on the case big time. But yeah, 220 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: I'm never whatever. I'm never gonna be able to repeat 221 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: any of that, So Jean from here from here on. 222 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: Yes, she was descended from an illegitimate branch of the family, 223 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: the royal family, and this was the dynasty that came 224 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: before the Bourbons, and she had a terrible childhood. Her 225 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: father was a hardcore alcoholic, her mother totally ghosted on her. 226 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: She was taken in by an aristocratic family outside of Paris, 227 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: but then she came back when she was an adult 228 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: to Champagne and she was intent on getting her family 229 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: land back, and then that plan fell through. She married 230 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: a guy named Nicholas de la Motte. They went to 231 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: Paris to try to get people to back them up, 232 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: and it didn't really work. They got more and more destitute, 233 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: and her ambition to establish herself as legitimate seemed worse 234 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: and worse and worse. So she is in dire streets 235 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: as well. When she meets Cardinal real Han. 236 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: Yeah it's true. And this becomes a real turning point. 237 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: When she meets Rohan, he was kind of into her 238 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: and didn't really have any problem showing that he gave 239 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: her money, and it's very likely that they became lovers 240 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: despite his I guess vow of celibacy. Right, isn't that 241 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: a thing for a cardinal? Isn't that an? 242 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's like everybody is supposed to use tarted signals. 243 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: That's also true, and jaywalking is technically a crime. He 244 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: told her that in order to restore her patrimony that 245 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 2: she needed to go directly to the Queen. But as 246 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: we said earlier, the Queen was not a fan of Rohan. 247 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: He was sort of like a little Finger type character. 248 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: You know, he was very considered kind of slimy and 249 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: backstabbing by her because of his talking out of school, 250 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: and so this was not necessarily going to be something 251 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 2: that he could help his new young lady friends with 252 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: because he really had no. 253 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: Pull, right right, He had no juice, no suction, as 254 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: they say in the wire. So Sean, we can only imagine, says, 255 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, what this plan needs to really just make 256 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: it pop is a little bit of theatricality, Right, Let's 257 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: go to the theatol with it. So she waits in 258 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: the mirrored gallery of Versailles on Candle Moss in seventeen 259 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: eighty four. And when the Queen walks by, Jean swoons 260 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: and she is clutching her petition to get her land 261 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: restored to her chest, and she's hoping that the Queen 262 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: will see her fall out, you know, and that she 263 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: will say, oh, no, who is this beautiful put upon 264 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: fainting woman, and how can I help her? So she 265 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: she essentially she fakes fainting, and the Queen walks right 266 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: by and never asks who fainted. But this is not 267 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: what she tells the Cardinal. Instead, she tells her lover, 268 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: the Cardinal that the Queen had taken pity on her, 269 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,479 Speaker 1: had noticed, and that they had become b FF's Biffles, 270 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: that they had become best friends forever, Biffles and Mauie. 271 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: Antoinette was the kind of person who had this track record. 272 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: It was totally within her mo to find and sort 273 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: of adopt people, and she was somewhat reclusive despite this, 274 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: so a lot of the people in court didn't really 275 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: know her day to day circle of friends. And so 276 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: now the tables have turned. Now the Cardinal is begging 277 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: shown to broker some kind of I guess peace agreement 278 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: with the Queen. You know, like, sorry about that meme. 279 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: Sorry you found that funny note about you. I was 280 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: passing around. Let's be cool, and she agreed, and there 281 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: was a increasing correspondence between the cardinal and moy and 282 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: the Queen promised apparently that he would eventually be Prime minister. 283 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: Okay, there's a lot going on here. I want to 284 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: take a little asign just because I was looking into 285 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: this while you were talking. Candle Mass. It's a holiday 286 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: that I was not familiar with. That is the day 287 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: in which this original meeting took place, and it has 288 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: a fantastic extended name. First of all, it is the 289 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: name of the Christian holy day wherein Mary and Joseph, 290 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: forty days after the birth of Jesus, brought him to 291 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: the temple to be purified, and you know, the rights 292 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: of purification dedication performed on him, and that's something that 293 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: is in the Torah as necessary, and then that is 294 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: actually described in the Book of Leviticus twelve one through four. 295 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: But the extended name of Candle Mass is the feast 296 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: of the presentation of our Lord Jesus Christ and the 297 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: feast of the purification of the blessed Virgin Mary. That's it. 298 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: That's all I got. So where are we at now, Ben, 299 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 2: There's a lot going on here. I just wanted to 300 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: take a little breath so we can collect ourselves. 301 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: Well. We should also mention that an almoner, while we're 302 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: at definitions, is just one who distributes alms, so one 303 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: who distributes money to the poor, not almonds related. But yes, yes, 304 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: So back to this correspondence. The problem is this correspondence 305 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: that the Cardinal believes is going very very well, is 306 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: all coming to him via She is dictating the letters 307 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: to a local and they will call him a stationer 308 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: at the time, like a stationary owner, someone who writes 309 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: letters professionally. She's telling this guy what to write, and 310 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: the Cardinal is desperate. He's like, oh, you know enough 311 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: of this. Clearly we get along. I can't wait to 312 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 1: be your prime minister. I'm gonna do such a wonderful job. 313 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: Let's meet in person, let's meet irl. But the Queen 314 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: always says, it's not quite the right moment for me 315 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: to talk to the king about this. Just just you 316 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: hold on, you hold on, And the Cardinal is becoming 317 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: less and less patient, and Jean is saying, I gotta 318 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: get some sort of situation where this guy at least 319 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: feels like he's met the queen. Oh, by the way, 320 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: she's still married. She's sleeping with this dude. Yeah, but 321 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: she's still married to this other, a man of the cloth. 322 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: She's sleeping with a man of the cloth. Which is 323 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: that by the moment, is that the thing that goes 324 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: around the neck is that the cloth? 325 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: Or is the cloth? There's a lot of cloth there, 326 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: and that probably weirds you out, doesn't it. You're not 327 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 2: a fan of cloth. 328 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: Okay, you know, I'm okay with cloth costume. 329 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, I'm not thinking. I'm thinking of 330 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 2: our mutual friend Frank. He's the one that doesn't like 331 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: cloth and like like fabricy feelings. He's got a cotton 332 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 2: cotton thing. That's it. You're you're more of the metal, metal, cardboard, cardboard, 333 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: phone calls and any material. So yeah, no, she needed 334 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: him to feel like he had had audience with the queen. 335 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 2: And that's where in the unless I'm mistaken, then we 336 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: get our Marie Antoinette doppelganger or impersonator entering the picture. 337 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So her scally wag soldier husband 338 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: Nicholas comes to her with an idea. I've been hanging 339 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: around in the Palais Royale and I've been being kind 340 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: of looche. You guys, remember I finally got a chance 341 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: to use Lucia. 342 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: Yet and trying to make Loosh happen. Bens, I'm not trying, 343 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 2: it's happening. Yeah, I'm I'm not trying to do things 344 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: man Yoda style. This is just happening. And while he's there, 345 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: he meets a sex worker named Nicole Legui. She is blonde, 346 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: blue eyed, and physically, you know, she looks like the Queen. 347 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: She resembles her. He visits her, he gets to know her, 348 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like carnally well, that kind 349 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 2: of establishment, Ben, is it that kind of place. 350 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: Well, eventually, eventually he's been hanging out with her and 351 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: he introduces her to his wife. 352 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: Let's also not forget that this was I mean, you 353 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: can't forget this is a time where unless you saw 354 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: the Queen, if you saw the Queen in person, it 355 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: was going to be from a distance, and most likely 356 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: the closest thing you'd ever get to actually see the 357 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: Queen would be some sort of painting painted facsimile writer 358 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: or a little cameo, a little cameo uch or something exactly. Yeah, 359 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: there's no proliferation of digital images or even photography, right. 360 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 2: So he introduces his friends to his wife. Is my 361 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: friend Nicole. Nicole meets Cheng and don't you think she 362 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: looks like the Queen? 363 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: What do you think? Honey? This is why I've been 364 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: hanging out with her, because I'm helping you. 365 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: I'm doing this for us exactly. 366 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: And so Jean takes to Nicole and we have a 367 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: quote wherein she is convincing Nicole to take part in 368 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: some sort of plan involving the Queen. 369 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: So this is what Jean says to her pal Nicole. 370 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: She says, quote, I have the Queen's confidence. She and 371 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: I are as close as two fingers of a hand. 372 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: That's an interesting one. I'm gonna try to bring that 373 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: back and make that happen. Yeah, And then she goes 374 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 2: on to say she has just given me new proof 375 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 2: of this in charging me to find a person who 376 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: could do something that will be explained when the time comes. Wow, 377 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 2: that is very. 378 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: Vague, super vague, super vague. 379 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 2: So does Nicole agree out of a sense of patriotism 380 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 2: or does she agree because she gets fifteen thousand francs. 381 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: You know, there's no sure answer. So later that evening 382 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: they leave and they go to the Lamont's apartment in Versailles, 383 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: and still Sean does not explain the plan. Nicole says, Okay, 384 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: you're being real vague with me, says, what's going on 385 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: with the queen? I appreciate the money. Instead, Sean says, oh, 386 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: it's the smallest thing in the world. You have to 387 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: meet the queen, but you can't do it without a title. 388 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: So Jean dubs her the Casey checked me on this. 389 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: The barone doliva. God sounds so beautiful when you say it, man, 390 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: Casey's on that case. So now she has a title. 391 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: Nicole has been elevated in life. 392 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: Oh and there's a funny little detail in that Telegraph 393 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: article that points out that that is very close to 394 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: an anagram of her own surname, which is Valoi. 395 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of like, sort of like in all 396 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: those films where the character is named doctor Alucard turns 397 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: out to be Dracula. 398 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 2: Spoiler Just so, just so. 399 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: So, now Jean is grooming Nicole and dressing her up 400 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: and she gives her a letter and she says, hey, Nicole, 401 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lead you to the park of the Palace 402 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: and then you're going to hand this letter over to 403 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: this really snazzy dude that you'll meet there. I'm paraphrasing. 404 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: She did not actually say snazzy dude. 405 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but surely he was very well dressed. 406 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: Sure oh he was all snazz. 407 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 2: He definitely was. I like that phrase too, snazz Oh. 408 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: And then there's this perfect beautiful detail. It's just the 409 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: kind of thing out of like a heist movie or 410 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: sort of at least some kind of you know, grand 411 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 2: caper of some sort, where she had to hand a rose, 412 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: a red rose, over with the letter, and she's instructed 413 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: to say to this snazzy person, this all snazz guy. 414 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: He will know what this means. And the Queen will 415 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 2: be there to see how the interview goes. She'll be 416 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 2: watching from the wings. One must assume, oh no, no. 417 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 2: She even goes on to say she will speak to 418 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 2: you later, she will be behind you. 419 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: So this is just his reality show. Is that sounds folks? 420 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: This poor poor Nicole is given this fake title and 421 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: she is literally handing a rose to a guy. No 422 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: matter what he says, she's only supposed to say, you 423 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: know what this means? Can you believe it? Anyway? She 424 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: is on board. She is roughly a million percent on board, 425 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: hook line and sinker. She is all about it. She's 426 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: freaked out. She's going to meet one of the most 427 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: powerful people in her country. And she's in the garden, 428 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: the grove of Venus specifically, it is incredibly dark. She 429 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: can't see anything, she doesn't really hear anything. She's just 430 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: walking around in the dark, and she's wondering where the 431 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: queen's hiding, and where's this dude, where's this all snazz 432 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: dude that she's supposed to meet. 433 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: So we should backtrack, ever so slightly at this delightful 434 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: cliffhanger that you set up so beautifully. But Jean had 435 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: been kind of dangling the queen let's say a little 436 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: bit in front of Rohan. Yes, in terms of, you know, 437 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 2: the possibility of him meeting her and making things better 438 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: between them, right, or at least having him have that 439 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: chance of a lifetime to worm his way into her 440 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 2: inner circle. Let's be honest, this guy seems a little wormy. 441 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: For weeks and weeks she's been sort of teasing this 442 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: little finger of our story. You made that comparison earlier, 443 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: I quite like it. And then he would hang out, 444 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: just literally loiter around Versailles, hoping to run into Mali Antoinette. 445 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until August twelfth that he gets word 446 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: from Jean that he can meet the queen, but he 447 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: asked to meet her secretly at night in the garden, essentially, 448 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: and Mayu was not yet ready to reveal their agreement 449 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 1: to the public. So he hung around and he actually 450 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: did not dress all snazz. He was dressed in all 451 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: black and he had a hat on. He was looking conspiratorial, 452 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: you know what I mean totally. 453 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 2: It's like the period equivalent of like a trench coat 454 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: and some sort of fida. Yeah, for sure, for sure. 455 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: So he's waiting around, He's like, ah, there's going to 456 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: be another fruitless night of waiting. The things I do 457 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: to be prime minister, he's thinking. He's probably also thinking, 458 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: I have so many alms to give in the morning. 459 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, who runs up to him, 460 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: Not the Queen, not Nicole, but first show. 461 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 2: It's right, it's our girl, Jean, who really is a 462 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: little bit almost more out little fingering, the little finger 463 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 2: of our story. For sure, she is panting, she's out 464 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 2: of breath. She's very upset, or at least she's flustered 465 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 2: at least, maybe not in the outright upset, But she 466 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: tells him who is upset, and that's the Queen. The 467 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 2: Queen is very upset because she's so very much wanted 468 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: to have this encounter with Rohan, and that's not gonna 469 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 2: be possible because the Queen's sisters in law have kind of, 470 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, headed her off at the past, I guess, 471 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: or you know, done a surprise walk and talk that. Yeah, 472 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 2: she couldn't get out of it, so he's gonna have 473 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: to hang back Rohan. This is what Jean is telling him, 474 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: and that she, the Queen, plans to skidaddle out of there, 475 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 2: you know, put in a little face time, and then 476 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: make an excuse and then abscond off to meet secretly 477 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: to keep the meeting. But it's gonna have to be quick, 478 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 2: and it's gonna be very close because they're hot on 479 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: their heels. She doesn't want anyone to see this absurdly 480 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: suspicious character because it seems like he's supposedly dressing for secrecy, 481 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: but I would think he would be very suspicious looking 482 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: dressed that way. 483 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: It's absolutely true. He's trying to look inconspicuous, and you know, 484 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: there's a point where you reach diminishing returns with dressing inconspicuous. 485 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: Trench coat for doorra he went full trench coat Fedora. 486 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: So the kicker for this is that she says, don't worry, though, 487 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: the queen will give you, quote, unequivocal proofs of her 488 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: protection and benevolence. And he's like, okay, okay, I'm in, 489 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm in. So Sean leads the cardinal to this opening 490 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: in a clearing and he sees this figure, you know, 491 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: sort of silhouetted in the darkness, and he also goes 492 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: all in. You know, his heart's probably racing, he's probably 493 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: really freaked out. He walks to this figure and he 494 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: kneels at her feet and she, by the way, is Nicole, right, 495 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: the new barone, And she is not sure what to do, 496 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: so she just thrust this rose toward him, and she 497 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: kind of hides her face with her fan, and she 498 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: says that she couldn't remember exactly what she said in 499 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: the conversation, but the cardinal claimed that he heard her say, 500 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: you may believe the past will be forgotten. So boom, 501 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: there we go. It appears that for all intents and purposes, 502 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: this cardinal has met the Queen, and the Queen is good, 503 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: and she has appeared to back up all the fake 504 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: letters that this cardinal has been receiving. And Rohan essentially 505 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: just really wanted to see the queen, and he saw 506 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: what he wanted to see. A little bit later, he 507 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: received a written request on this paper. This was always 508 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: blue bordered paper because it was from that one stationary shop. 509 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: He received a request for sixty thousand francs to help 510 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: an impoverished family. And again, let's remember this guy's job 511 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: is to distribute money to the poor. So he goes 512 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: through with that, and then in the beginning of seventeen 513 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: eighty five, another request arrives. Get this, it's ordering him 514 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: to negotiate the purpose of a certain diamond necklace. That's right, 515 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: thought we forgot No, we just set it up in 516 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: a weird way. 517 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: I was wondering we were going to come back around 518 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: to it myself. Then I was too, So she gets 519 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: this letter. There's a lot of backstory here, right, Noel 520 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: gets this letter from the Queen saying, hey, set this 521 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: up for me, help me buy this necklace. And the 522 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: problem here is that these crown jewelers that we mentioned earlier, 523 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 2: Boehmer and Bassinge, as you said, have been trying for 524 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: years and years and years to sell this super ostentatious, extravagant, 525 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 2: opulent necklace that had how many diamonds. Yeah, it was 526 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: like pushing six fifty six hundred and fifty stones, twenty 527 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: eight hundred carrots. 528 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: Huge, huge, again, extravagant, opulent, ostentatious, all those words, all 529 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: the words, and they have been presenting this to the 530 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: King and the Queen turned it down and they knocked 531 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: some money off the price, but it was still considered 532 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: too much. 533 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was reduced to somewhere in the neighborhood of 534 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: one point six million. And this is news to me, guys. 535 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: Livre which is a different currency from the fronc, and 536 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: that's the franc wasn't around until seventeen ninety five. 537 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: So let's she clarify that. That's right. And I think 538 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: we talked about some payoffs being in francs earlier in 539 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: the show. Was not a thing yet. The livra which 540 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: Casey being on the case, as he tends to be 541 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: clued us into that that actually means a book. 542 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, booker a pound, Casey on the case, Thanks for 543 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: saving the show man every time speak behind the curve 544 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: of folks. Every time we do an episode concerning the 545 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: French language. Now we have learned. We've learned to check 546 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: with Casey slightly in advance so that we don't put 547 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: over on the spot by saying. There was one episode 548 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: where we said, hey, Casey, can you just translate this 549 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: entire paragraph for us? 550 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: And he was like, guys, I need a little a 551 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: little time. 552 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: It wasn't been modern French. 553 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: I'm not just here like French monkey, you know. 554 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: So you're right, it's very important. This is a currency. 555 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: The cost is reduced. They still can't sell this because 556 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: it's like it's like a gold plated ferrari, you know 557 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just a lot. It's too much. 558 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: And how much would it have taken for something to 559 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: be too extravagant and expensive for the Queen of France, right, 560 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: not exactly known for their penny pinching ways or like, 561 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: you know, keeping things modest. 562 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: That's true, and so Sean sees this opportunity, and she 563 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: talks to her buddy, the cardinal, and she says, hey, 564 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: will you help the queen buy this necklace and the 565 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: payment will be made in four installments over two years, 566 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: and he is down to clown. He is on board. 567 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: So the jewelers are overwhelmed with joy. They are elated. 568 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: Someone is gonna buy this. The Queen is gonna buy this. 569 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna yeah, we'll give you the necklace and then 570 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: you'll just pay us off in those four installments over 571 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: two years. So on the first of February seventeen eighty five, 572 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: the jewelers Boemer and Bissinge give the necklace to the cardinal. 573 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: The cardinal gives it to Sean and Jean. What does 574 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: she do? Does she make four payments over two years? Now? 575 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: Does she say, hey, I was lying to you? What 576 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: does she do? 577 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 2: She just kind of books it with the goods? You know, 578 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: she's the real puppa man in this whole thing. 579 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: The guys are so say, I know I say it 580 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: too much, but I love that film Usual Suspects. 581 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: Check it out. 582 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right, man. She ghosts. And then on 583 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: July twelfth of that year, the jewelers send a letter 584 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: to the queen. Boehmer specifically sends a letter to the 585 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: Queen and mentions the necklace. The Queen doesn't know what's 586 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: going on, so she just shreds her mail. 587 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 2: What's this nonsense? 588 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: Exactly? 589 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: What is right in the royal shred? She says, that's 590 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: a quote in her voice, And. 591 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: The jeweler is not getting any word, and he waits 592 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: and waits and waits, and so later in August he 593 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: sends a letter to one of Maya Toinette's ladies in waiting, 594 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, you know, not to be weird 595 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: about it, but I'm really surprised that you guys still 596 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: owe me money for this necklace. You are you know, 597 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: your friends, the Queen of France. I don't know how 598 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: to like make this not awkward? Can you can you 599 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: give me some liv Yeah? 600 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:06,439 Speaker 2: Exactly. And this is when the proverbial ish hits the fan, 601 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 2: when the lady in waiting, Madame Campont, takes this information 602 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 2: back to the Queen, who then is like, wait a minute, 603 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 2: something's funky here. I need an explanation. What's going on? 604 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 2: So in August fifteenth, right before a mass at the 605 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 2: Royal Chapel. Rohan receives a convocation from the King of France. 606 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 2: Right as he was leaving, he is arrested in the 607 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: Hall of Mirrors and he's completely flabbergasted. Everyone else is 608 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 2: just in shock. And that is when this news of 609 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: this scandal was about to reach critical mass. 610 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: Yes, and that is not hyperbole at all, So this 611 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: becomes a huge to do a brew haha if you will. 612 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: The Cardinal goes before the Parliament to May of seventeen 613 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: eighty six. Surprisingly, he's declared innocent. They track down Sean 614 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: and her team and they are arrested and she, for 615 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: the crime of being a con artist, is branded with 616 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: a hot iron and she's the hot iron brand that 617 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: she receives is a capital V, and that stands for 618 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: thief in French. What's that word casey volure voaleure thief 619 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: a genuine scarlet letter. And although the Queen is innocent, 620 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: her reputation is tarnished. You know, she can't walk back 621 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: from that. She may have won in the court of 622 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: the law, but she has failed in the court of 623 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 1: public opinion. And from that point on, she really really 624 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: wanted the absolute worst for the Cardinal, for Rohan, who 625 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: she already didn't care for, who she already didn't care for. 626 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: Great point. So although the cardinal was acquitted, it didn't 627 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 1: help that the Queen of the Cune hated this dude. 628 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: So he loses all his offices and he is exiled. 629 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: And then our anti hero of the story, Sean, for 630 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: this crime, this diamond hoax, is sentenced to be flogged. 631 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: She's got the hot v on her and she is 632 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: going to prison for life. At least that was her sentence. 633 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: She later escapes to England and publishes publishes a hit 634 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: piece on the queen, so she doesn't really feel bad. 635 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 2: Pretty brazen this one, huh. 636 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she made it out, but the Queen didn't 637 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: make it out unscathed. 638 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 2: No, she never really recovered from this. I mean, it's 639 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 2: interesting because she really didn't do anything. All this stuff 640 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: happened under her nose. She was used at the center 641 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 2: of this kind of like diamond heist as sort of 642 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 2: like a patsy, kind of a weird fall guy. And 643 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 2: in what way was she a fall guy? Well, her 644 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 2: reputation took an absolute nosedive. Not that I mean, as 645 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,479 Speaker 2: we know already not the most popular government in terms 646 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 2: of the incredible gulf between the rich and the poor, 647 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 2: and the sense that these folks, these mucky munks are 648 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 2: just living it up, you know, at the hotel Versailles 649 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 2: doing their thing, and the rest of the you know, 650 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 2: common folks are just scrapping in the streets for food. 651 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 3: You know. 652 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 2: It's like in ley Miz. We've seen lay Miz just 653 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, but this just cements that reputation for 654 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 2: utter moral bankruptcy. And as an article in Britannica about 655 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 2: the affair of the diamond necklace puts it, frivolity, just 656 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 2: this sense of the let the meat cake thing, which 657 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 2: we know is not a real thing, but just that's 658 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 2: what is encapsulated here in this whole affair. It's like 659 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 2: they are so clueless, so out of touch. 660 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: It's one of the this is but one of the 661 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: incidents leaded up to what we call the French Revolution today. 662 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: And it's strange because I don't know about I don't 663 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 1: know about you folks, but I had not heard of this, 664 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: I like many of us here in the US, and 665 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: I had a sort of a vague outline or chronology 666 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: of the French Revolution and the transformation of its government. 667 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: But I had no idea there was a diamond heist. 668 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: They should be telling more people about this in school. 669 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 2: Everybody likes a good diamond heist. Everybody likes a good hoax. 670 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: That's true. And this concludes our story of the affair 671 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: of the diamond Necklace, or, as you said earlier, Noel, 672 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: the scandal. 673 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 2: Here's my question, Ben, how do you of fence an 674 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 2: item like that? You go to England, you go to 675 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 2: a different country, you sell it to another monarchy. 676 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: Maybe you break it down and just sell the diamonds. 677 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 2: That's probably what you'd have to do, because surely there 678 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 2: would be apbs out for this thing across the land. 679 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: I always wonder about Europe. Yeah, I always wonder about that. 680 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: With art hoaxes and unique items, you know, like someone 681 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: steals a priceless painting, how do you fence that? Who 682 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: do you sell it to? Do you go on Craigslist? 683 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never I've done a lot of 684 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: things in my life, but I have yet to steal 685 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: and fence priceless artwork. Hey, maybe twenty nineteens my year. Man. 686 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing too. Are there like shadowy you 687 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,879 Speaker 2: know collectors that are the ones who are brazen enough 688 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 2: to buy that stuff, and that's where they keep that 689 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 2: in their secret gallery, right, that's like behind like a 690 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 2: bookshelf or whatever. You got to walk in. 691 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,240 Speaker 1: It was a really interesting article I had read a 692 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: few weeks back that was positing a lot of artwork 693 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: we see in public museums is actually forged, with the 694 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: real pieces being, as you said, in secret galleries. 695 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 2: I don't know. 696 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: You think that's likely? 697 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 2: I'm not sure? But have you seen the movie? Can 698 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 2: you ever forgive me? 699 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: I think I have? 700 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 2: Wait? Well, it's with what's your name? Melissa McCarthy. It 701 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 2: was pretty recent. It's about she's like kind of a 702 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 2: failed writer. Oh yeah, it's a true story where she 703 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 2: got that best friend who's yeah, the British guy whose 704 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 2: name I'm forgetting right now, but I love him. He 705 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 2: was in with Nayla and I and some other Yeah. Yeah. 706 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,280 Speaker 2: But her whole thing is and this isn't a spoiler 707 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 2: if you don't want a mild spoiler about this movie. 708 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 2: And it's what the movie's about, but you don't know 709 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 2: it right away. She ends up, you know, she's hard, 710 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 2: down on her luck, and she ends up forging letters 711 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 2: from famous famous dead writers and you know, socialites, and 712 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 2: then she's really good at and she's really good at 713 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,919 Speaker 2: it and she gets the wit and all of that down. 714 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 2: That's the same with like being able to forge a 715 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 2: work of art, right, you have to really nail it. 716 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 2: It's more than just making a copy. You almost have 717 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 2: to have like the soul of the artist and be 718 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 2: able to copy that. 719 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: I would watch. I would watch The Affair of the 720 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: Diamond Necklace were it a film. And speaking of films, 721 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: let us do what are some of your favorite heist films? 722 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: What are some of your favorite stories of appalling opulence 723 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: from various royal families of time gone by? 724 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 2: Let us know. 725 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: You can find us on Facebook. You can find us 726 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: on Twitter, you can find us on Instagram. You can 727 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 1: hang out with our favorite part of the show, your 728 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: fellows on our Facebook page, Ridiculous Historians. That's the one. 729 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 2: That's the one, Yeah, the one we were talking about 730 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 2: the top of the show, where you can follow the 731 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 2: beef between me and Christopher hastiotis about whether or not 732 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:12,760 Speaker 2: Mandy's a good film? 733 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: Is that what you guys were talking on it is? 734 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: Why doesn't I saw what I saw him on it? 735 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: I saw. He said that he would watch it again. 736 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: But it's like, the thing is, I went to so 737 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: much trouble trying to get this to play at the Plaza. 738 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: He didn't even go well. 739 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 2: He didn't like it. He hated the movie. He literally 740 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 2: just wrote to me episode I told him about this beef. 741 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 2: I said, this beef is now ridiculous history Cannon and 742 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 2: he goes Episode one thirty two, the time Noel Brown 743 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 2: revealed how historically wrong he was about Mandy. Now I've 744 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 2: got I've got an ally in this fight for Mandy. 745 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 2: I mean, you were there all along, Ben, But I 746 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 2: think we need to we need to sit down with 747 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 2: Christopher and set the record straight. 748 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna be Sweden on this. 749 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 2: I've never let someone else's opinion of a film interfere 750 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 2: with how I feel about it, So I'm not gonna 751 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 2: absolutely not. But he's really doubling down on this. I 752 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 2: don't negotiate with terrorists. He's borderline entering character assassination territory. 753 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: I did not negotiate with terrorists. 754 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 2: That's fair. Was that like a JFK voice kind of No, 755 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,399 Speaker 2: that's just that's my real voice. Okay, got it. But yeah, 756 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 2: if you want to follow this ongoing saga, check us 757 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 2: out on Ridiculous Historians on Facebook. If you want to 758 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 2: check us out on Instagram. We mainly just post like 759 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 2: new episodes and stuff. But if you want to check 760 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 2: out me and Ben's personal exploits, you can follow me 761 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 2: at Embryonic Insider. 762 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,720 Speaker 1: And you can follow me at Ben Bullen. Currently, I 763 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: am snacking on pizzerias or I'm about to, because this 764 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite long gone chips and I 765 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,399 Speaker 1: think I just found a way to get a bag. 766 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,280 Speaker 2: Ben. When I heard you say that, you said snacking 767 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 2: on pizzerias, I was picturing you like like eating like 768 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 2: all the pizza available, and. 769 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,760 Speaker 1: The building, like the stone, the benches. 770 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 2: You're you're sort of like, what's that French guy who 771 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 2: ate all the things? I think? I think gate a baby. 772 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who eats babies. 773 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 2: I don't know about this. 774 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: Now there's a Brazilian guy who you know what we 775 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: should save this. This is a story for another day. 776 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 2: Hey, I just want to point out I googled French 777 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 2: guy who ate a baby. His name was Terraar and 778 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,240 Speaker 2: he was born in rural France nearly on in seventeen 779 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 2: seventy two, and his whole thing was he would eat anything. 780 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 2: He was actually hospitalized in a psychiatric ward where it 781 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 2: is conjectured that he possibly ate a baby. 782 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: Well, there's also this goes back to the super the 783 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: super stomics, right, the super eaters. That's right, there's a 784 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: guy in Brazil who's done the same thing. And we're 785 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: not talking about the survivors of the crash in the 786 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: andes On. You know, the basis or the inspiration for 787 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,320 Speaker 1: the movie Alive. 788 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 2: All right, I'll see you next time, folks. For more 789 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 2: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 790 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 2: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.