WEBVTT - FKA twigs 0:00:15.476 --> 0:00:22.756 Pushkin. F Gay Twigs is spent over a decade redefining 0:00:22.756 --> 0:00:25.076 the boundaries of pop music through her innovative blend of 0:00:25.076 --> 0:00:29.356 electronic production, experimental R and B, and striking visual art. 0:00:30.236 --> 0:00:33.836 Her album's LP One and Magdalen earned widespread critical acclaim 0:00:33.956 --> 0:00:36.396 establishing her as one of the most forward thinking voices 0:00:36.436 --> 0:00:40.356 in contemporary music. Last year, she put out two albums. 0:00:40.676 --> 0:00:44.076 In November, she released Usexua Afterglow, a companion to her 0:00:44.156 --> 0:00:48.156 Grammy winning rave inspired album Sexua that she'd released earlier 0:00:48.156 --> 0:00:52.436 in the year. Both of twigs new albums address identity, bodily, autonomy, 0:00:52.676 --> 0:00:56.836 and resistance. On today's episode, just hours before she walked 0:00:56.876 --> 0:00:59.436 on stage to pick up her first Grammy, I talked 0:00:59.436 --> 0:01:01.836 to F Gay Twigs about her experiences growing up mixed 0:01:01.916 --> 0:01:04.676 race in rural England and how going to Jamaican clubs 0:01:04.676 --> 0:01:07.756 as a teenager inspired her dance forward twenty twenty two 0:01:07.796 --> 0:01:11.876 mixtape capri So. She also explains why, despite being a 0:01:11.916 --> 0:01:15.316 phenomenal dancer, she's not a fan of TikTok dances, and 0:01:15.436 --> 0:01:18.196 breaks down the precise moment when all the forces align 0:01:18.276 --> 0:01:20.476 at a rave that have brought her to the realization 0:01:20.716 --> 0:01:26.636 that this is the most important moment in culture. This 0:01:26.756 --> 0:01:36.356 is broken record, real musicians, real conversations. Here's my interview 0:01:36.436 --> 0:01:39.556 with Fka Twiggs. Head over to YouTube dot com slash 0:01:39.556 --> 0:01:41.836 Broken Record podcast to watch the interview. 0:01:43.436 --> 0:01:45.356 My whole life is fucking moment. My whole life is 0:01:45.436 --> 0:01:49.196 like back against the wool, Like that's when you're like 0:01:49.236 --> 0:01:51.796 one way out, like to come out like kicking and punching. 0:01:51.956 --> 0:01:52.636 Do you know what I mean? 0:01:52.796 --> 0:01:54.476 If you had to go back and think about it, 0:01:54.756 --> 0:01:56.756 when was the first like fuck it moment? Like when 0:01:56.756 --> 0:01:58.676 did that become a. 0:01:58.636 --> 0:02:01.596 Staple the whole of my life? Like I've always had 0:02:01.636 --> 0:02:03.516 the Yeah. My stepdad said to me the other day 0:02:03.516 --> 0:02:04.716 that he's known me for the whole of my life. 0:02:04.716 --> 0:02:06.436 He was like, he was like, you've spent your whole 0:02:06.436 --> 0:02:08.996 life in final flight. Yeah, he was like, you've had 0:02:09.236 --> 0:02:11.116 or you're just like ever since a kid, you've been 0:02:11.116 --> 0:02:13.756 in like fileflight, Like I've just it's just been like 0:02:14.156 --> 0:02:17.476 I don't know, like maybe a combination of like the 0:02:17.516 --> 0:02:21.596 way my life has been the stress of being an artist, 0:02:21.756 --> 0:02:23.916 you know. Yeah, but even going on stage is fight 0:02:23.996 --> 0:02:25.676 or flight, you know, like it's kind of do you 0:02:25.796 --> 0:02:27.436 freeze in front of an audience or do you come 0:02:27.436 --> 0:02:30.356 out kicking and screaming. It's like everything like even going 0:02:30.356 --> 0:02:32.796 on tour is file flight. Like even doing like a 0:02:32.836 --> 0:02:34.996 massive project, do you have that moment like before a 0:02:35.076 --> 0:02:37.316 big shoot or anything where you're just like, am I 0:02:37.316 --> 0:02:38.556 going to be able to do this tomorrow? 0:02:38.596 --> 0:02:40.676 And there's got to be with an album, there's got 0:02:40.716 --> 0:02:42.196 to be at some point where you're like, Okay, I've 0:02:42.236 --> 0:02:46.996 been tinkering or working for years, this has to work 0:02:46.996 --> 0:02:48.516 at some point, like this has to be the. 0:02:48.476 --> 0:02:50.716 Thing, right Like yeah, I mean I'm going through it now, 0:02:50.836 --> 0:02:52.676 like I'm at that point when I was speaking to 0:02:52.716 --> 0:02:55.316 a director last night and we were talking about the 0:02:55.356 --> 0:02:57.556 moment when you're at that point in a project where 0:02:57.556 --> 0:02:59.236 you've swum out so far that you can't see the 0:02:59.236 --> 0:03:01.596 island behind you, but you can't see the island in 0:03:01.636 --> 0:03:03.916 front of you. And I'm literally there right now, Like 0:03:03.956 --> 0:03:05.956 with my next music projects, I'm that like I can't 0:03:05.956 --> 0:03:07.556 see the island behind me and I can't see the 0:03:07.556 --> 0:03:09.956 island in front of me, and I'm just like, do 0:03:09.996 --> 0:03:13.036 you like bolt back and think like don't worry, do 0:03:13.036 --> 0:03:13.516 you know what I mean? 0:03:13.716 --> 0:03:14.076 Safety? 0:03:14.316 --> 0:03:17.236 Yeah? Or do you like go forward and finish it. 0:03:17.676 --> 0:03:19.436 Are you one of those people, Like I've heard people say, 0:03:19.796 --> 0:03:22.956 you're performing live, you get butterflies, or you get extreme 0:03:22.996 --> 0:03:25.596 anxiety or whatever the range of degrees of that is. 0:03:26.476 --> 0:03:28.756 But there's some people who are addicted to that, almost 0:03:28.796 --> 0:03:32.436 like adrenaline, as like an adrenaline junkie. Does it feel good? 0:03:32.476 --> 0:03:33.636 Do you enjoy that feeling? 0:03:35.036 --> 0:03:37.396 I change it around in my head. So sometimes when 0:03:37.396 --> 0:03:40.436 I'm really nervous, you know you're doing a big show, 0:03:40.516 --> 0:03:42.396 especially some of the festivals I did last year, like 0:03:42.396 --> 0:03:44.396 I'm performing a front of eighty thousand people, and you 0:03:44.396 --> 0:03:47.036 peek around the cut and you think, whose idea was this? 0:03:48.436 --> 0:03:51.436 I always think that I'm just like, I'm sorry, who 0:03:52.076 --> 0:03:55.836 so this is a good idea? And I'll get really nervous, 0:03:55.876 --> 0:03:57.356 And then I always say to myself in my head, 0:03:57.396 --> 0:04:00.076 and no, it's not that I'm nervous. I'm so excited 0:04:00.276 --> 0:04:03.436 and I've like got these amazing dance moves, and I've 0:04:03.436 --> 0:04:05.876 been practicing so much, and I'm so excited to show 0:04:06.116 --> 0:04:08.236 everybody this thing that I've got. And then I try 0:04:08.236 --> 0:04:11.956 and psychologically say like, I'm not nervous, I'm not scared. 0:04:11.996 --> 0:04:16.316 I'm excited to show what I've been practicing like that feeling. 0:04:16.316 --> 0:04:18.076 You know when you're a kid and you have lunch 0:04:18.116 --> 0:04:20.716 chopsticks on the piano and you're like, mom, Mom, what's 0:04:20.756 --> 0:04:23.356 just you know, like that kind of feeling where or 0:04:23.396 --> 0:04:25.676 you have a picture you've done at school and you 0:04:25.716 --> 0:04:27.236 want to come home and you're like, look at this. 0:04:27.356 --> 0:04:30.036 You know, it's like that feeling. I try and make 0:04:30.116 --> 0:04:33.716 myself think it's that, and it works. It does work. 0:04:33.836 --> 0:04:34.756 That's a great trick. 0:04:35.156 --> 0:04:36.996 Yeah, you're just excited to show people, like you just 0:04:37.036 --> 0:04:39.876 can't you can't wait to get out there and show people. 0:04:39.996 --> 0:04:42.636 And then by the time you're on stage, is it 0:04:43.316 --> 0:04:46.596 are you super in your body, super conscious of everything 0:04:46.636 --> 0:04:48.756 that's happening, or is it just does it just rush 0:04:48.836 --> 0:04:50.156 by unconsciously? 0:04:51.076 --> 0:04:52.756 I think for me, the first song is always a 0:04:52.796 --> 0:04:55.436 bit jelly legs, Like sometimes I just feel a bit 0:04:55.556 --> 0:04:59.836 like I'm not centered in the first number, like usually 0:04:59.876 --> 0:05:01.676 with my shows, because I know, for me, the first 0:05:01.676 --> 0:05:03.956 song is a bit tentative. I tend to start very 0:05:03.996 --> 0:05:06.596 slow and then you sexually. I thought, I'm gonna try 0:05:06.596 --> 0:05:08.476 something different, and I'm going to try with the start 0:05:08.476 --> 0:05:12.396 with the biggest dance number. So I started with perfect 0:05:12.436 --> 0:05:15.356 Stranger which is like the poppiest song and the biggest 0:05:15.436 --> 0:05:18.396 dance number that required. I mean, it's not like a 0:05:18.396 --> 0:05:20.796 super difficult dance routine, but it's like precise because you're 0:05:20.876 --> 0:05:23.876 dancing with ten people doing everything the same, so it's 0:05:23.916 --> 0:05:25.596 not really like a lot of room to like mess up. 0:05:25.796 --> 0:05:28.156 And that was really interesting. I definitely learned a lot 0:05:29.196 --> 0:05:32.956 making myself go to one hundred first, but now in 0:05:33.276 --> 0:05:35.916 Body High, I'm not going to do that. Would no, 0:05:35.916 --> 0:05:38.156 Now I'm gonna actually, do you know what, it is 0:05:38.156 --> 0:05:40.116 still one hundred for me because Body High. In my 0:05:40.156 --> 0:05:43.556 next tour, I'm gonna start like playing instruments, which is 0:05:43.596 --> 0:05:45.276 something that I've never done on stage before, so I 0:05:45.276 --> 0:05:47.116 guess there will be like a lot of nerves, but 0:05:47.316 --> 0:05:49.476 I think I'm just forcing myself to like get over 0:05:49.596 --> 0:05:53.116 a new thing. 0:05:53.476 --> 0:05:56.596 Is that because you need to play instruments on this 0:05:56.636 --> 0:05:59.476 one or or is it just you want to feel 0:05:59.956 --> 0:06:02.156 like what would compel you to want to do that 0:06:02.236 --> 0:06:02.876 at this point? 0:06:03.196 --> 0:06:07.276 Because I play instruments in a non conventional sense in 0:06:07.316 --> 0:06:10.596 the studio and it's how I produce like drum machines 0:06:10.636 --> 0:06:13.996 and pads and analogue instruments and noises and like kind 0:06:14.036 --> 0:06:16.716 of like push them together into some sort of resemblance 0:06:16.796 --> 0:06:19.276 of something that sounds like a music or a beat. 0:06:19.916 --> 0:06:24.876 But I've never done it before on stage, and i 0:06:24.876 --> 0:06:28.076 think I'm reaching a point where I'm searching for autonomy 0:06:28.116 --> 0:06:31.036 as well even as an artist, because I've never been 0:06:31.076 --> 0:06:32.996 able to do this thing where it's like, if you 0:06:33.036 --> 0:06:37.356 are like Twigs, will you come and perform at like 0:06:37.556 --> 0:06:40.516 my wedding tomorrow? I would have to call a pianist 0:06:40.676 --> 0:06:44.596 or call my band or say I need to check 0:06:44.596 --> 0:06:47.276 who's free, you know, to help support me in that, 0:06:47.356 --> 0:06:51.396 Whereas I have the skill set and the ability to 0:06:51.436 --> 0:06:53.476 be able to do a set by myself, but it's 0:06:53.516 --> 0:06:56.076 been fifteen years and I've never tested that. So on 0:06:56.156 --> 0:06:58.316 body high, I just decided that I was going to 0:06:58.396 --> 0:07:01.876 start testing that theory of playing instruments a way that 0:07:01.916 --> 0:07:03.516 I do in the studio. But I've also got an 0:07:03.556 --> 0:07:07.636 amazing MD. His name's Matt, who is helping me find 0:07:07.716 --> 0:07:11.596 my way of doing that by triggering things and relating 0:07:11.996 --> 0:07:16.596 my in studio process to something that is on stage 0:07:16.636 --> 0:07:19.956 and makes sense, like beyond playing an acoustic guitar or 0:07:19.996 --> 0:07:23.036 playing the piano, how most like traditional musicians would do. 0:07:22.996 --> 0:07:25.276 That are so these going to be songs off of 0:07:25.716 --> 0:07:26.956 Afterglow or. 0:07:27.396 --> 0:07:30.516 It's the whole of my discography. Really, yeah, it's everything. 0:07:30.516 --> 0:07:32.116 I mean, I've been doing this now for fifteen years. 0:07:32.116 --> 0:07:35.156 It's amazing because there's a song for every mood. And 0:07:35.196 --> 0:07:37.796 I think I've realized how diverse my music is and 0:07:37.916 --> 0:07:39.956 that's been really eye opening to me as well, to 0:07:39.996 --> 0:07:45.036 realize how many different tempos and genres and you know, 0:07:45.076 --> 0:07:49.396 I've really over the last fifteen years create created like 0:07:49.916 --> 0:07:54.156 such a vast sonic palette, and I'm learning a lot 0:07:54.196 --> 0:07:56.516 about myself. I feel like humbled by the amount of 0:07:56.756 --> 0:08:00.556 music I've created in different ways. I didn't even realize 0:08:00.556 --> 0:08:04.396 it until putting together Body High. Because Body High the tour, 0:08:04.756 --> 0:08:06.596 there's lots of different size to me. I can like 0:08:06.716 --> 0:08:10.236 dance and be a pop star in that sense and 0:08:10.236 --> 0:08:12.756 do those big group numbers. Then there's also some really 0:08:12.796 --> 0:08:19.556 experimental electronic music. They're completely like genre defying sounds and 0:08:19.956 --> 0:08:22.476 it's industrial and it's moody. And then there's a lot 0:08:22.476 --> 0:08:25.476 of like sensual music. And then there's music that is 0:08:25.596 --> 0:08:28.116 inherent to who I am, like dance, wall, em bashment 0:08:28.316 --> 0:08:31.836 and more rhythms that are associated with the music I 0:08:31.876 --> 0:08:34.836 was brought up on in my own black culture, and like, 0:08:35.276 --> 0:08:37.156 there is a full picture of who I am as 0:08:37.196 --> 0:08:38.756 a person, which is so cool. 0:08:39.076 --> 0:08:42.876 It's wild. I couldn't it kind of I went back 0:08:42.916 --> 0:08:47.396 and listened to your whole discography to do I hadn't 0:08:47.436 --> 0:08:49.556 done like I actually I had never done that just 0:08:49.676 --> 0:08:52.436 when one sitting Wow, but you say fifteen years and 0:08:52.436 --> 0:08:54.556 it did kind of shock me because and it's not 0:08:54.596 --> 0:08:57.876 that it's it's also that there's been a lot of 0:08:59.956 --> 0:09:03.876 eras of the music business since you've been around, you know. 0:09:03.876 --> 0:09:06.276 I mean, it's been a lot of permutations of what 0:09:06.396 --> 0:09:08.876 music is or how people receive it or listen to it, 0:09:08.996 --> 0:09:12.836 or how it's distinct. You kind of first came out 0:09:13.276 --> 0:09:16.036 sort of in a pre Spotify world, you know, and I. 0:09:16.116 --> 0:09:18.116 Sort of it was it was right. I mean I 0:09:18.156 --> 0:09:21.276 literally remember my manager at the time calling me and 0:09:21.316 --> 0:09:24.996 being like, there's this thing it's like moving like music 0:09:25.036 --> 0:09:27.476 streaming platforms, Like you don't have to go on it, 0:09:27.556 --> 0:09:29.636 but like artists are going on it now if you 0:09:29.676 --> 0:09:32.436 want to. And I was just kind of like, I mean, yeah, sure, 0:09:32.516 --> 0:09:34.436 if you whatever, if you think so. I mean I 0:09:34.476 --> 0:09:37.356 literally remember that conversation of just like it's something that 0:09:37.396 --> 0:09:39.236 like I could potentially opt out of and it's not 0:09:39.276 --> 0:09:40.996 that much of a big deal cut to you now, 0:09:41.036 --> 0:09:44.596 that seems like a hilarious conversation to have, like opting 0:09:44.636 --> 0:09:47.276 out of streaming because it's not that relevant, you know. 0:09:47.316 --> 0:09:49.596 And I think I was probably quite late even to 0:09:49.636 --> 0:09:52.516 going on it, really, I think so, like I just 0:09:52.676 --> 0:09:55.116 don't remember it being a big part of like my 0:09:55.236 --> 0:09:58.156 first record, And it was only really when I did 0:09:58.196 --> 0:10:02.556 Magdalen that I kind of realized that I'd like not 0:10:02.716 --> 0:10:03.676 been working. 0:10:03.356 --> 0:10:05.956 It, like working the systems. 0:10:06.156 --> 0:10:08.196 Yeah, because I was like I have any monthly listeners 0:10:08.676 --> 0:10:11.756 because I not been working it, whereas there's been other artists. 0:10:12.156 --> 0:10:13.756 I'm probably gonna get this wrong. I'll probably be like 0:10:13.796 --> 0:10:16.276 corrected whatever. But like I think Frank Ocean had done 0:10:16.316 --> 0:10:19.836 some deal with with Apple or some streaming things easy. 0:10:19.916 --> 0:10:21.716 He did a deal though, but I don't think it was. 0:10:22.076 --> 0:10:24.316 But I don't know he'd done something with streaming or 0:10:24.316 --> 0:10:26.516 like artists were at that time doing things with like 0:10:26.596 --> 0:10:28.076 exclusively giving things. 0:10:28.076 --> 0:10:30.956 Did something. He did something. His album was exclusively on 0:10:31.076 --> 0:10:33.236 Apple I think for like a week or Yeah, I 0:10:33.276 --> 0:10:34.756 think it was something like that, kind of. 0:10:34.716 --> 0:10:37.356 Just working it like that like making everyone swarm to 0:10:37.436 --> 0:10:40.236 this one place to like support that platform or I 0:10:40.236 --> 0:10:42.716 can't remember. I just remember like artists were like doing 0:10:42.956 --> 0:10:46.236 cool things and the platforms were kind of like paying 0:10:46.276 --> 0:10:48.796 people to create, you know things. It's like in that 0:10:48.916 --> 0:10:50.996 early time, it's like, you know, if you don't get 0:10:51.036 --> 0:10:52.996 on TikTok or something in the beginning, then like it's 0:10:52.996 --> 0:10:54.916 just really hard to like get on it afterwards. 0:10:54.916 --> 0:10:56.356 Well you on TikTok at the beginning, because that I 0:10:56.356 --> 0:10:58.596 was the other big you know, like no. 0:10:58.596 --> 0:11:00.636 I was like, what is it? I still am terrible 0:11:00.676 --> 0:11:00.996 at it? 0:11:01.276 --> 0:11:02.236 Do you care about it? 0:11:02.796 --> 0:11:05.236 I mean, I think I'm supposed to, Like I try. 0:11:05.316 --> 0:11:08.116 It's I'm so bad at it, like I mean, the 0:11:08.196 --> 0:11:11.836 truth is honestly, Like the truth is, I'm literally almost 0:11:11.876 --> 0:11:17.596 forty and like I just like the. 0:11:20.636 --> 0:11:20.996 Kick in. 0:11:22.196 --> 0:11:25.636 I'm just like just like I mean, I do it 0:11:25.676 --> 0:11:27.476 like it's fun. If I feel too, Like I don't 0:11:27.636 --> 0:11:28.556 you like to dance your day? 0:11:28.716 --> 0:11:30.156 You love? But I like to. 0:11:30.156 --> 0:11:32.836 Dance and like I'm gonna train woosh you sword for 0:11:32.956 --> 0:11:36.436 like I'm gonna like become a black belt at or 0:11:36.436 --> 0:11:38.796 I'm gonna I like to dance like I'm gonna become 0:11:38.796 --> 0:11:40.436 a pole dancer, and there's this trick where you like 0:11:40.476 --> 0:11:42.996 hang off your ankle and like hold on to your 0:11:43.036 --> 0:11:44.316 foot and fucking spin around. 0:11:44.476 --> 0:11:44.676 You know. 0:11:44.716 --> 0:11:47.596 Like I'm like, I don't even like to dance. I 0:11:47.636 --> 0:11:50.156 like to just do very extreme things with my body 0:11:50.276 --> 0:11:52.876 under my rules of things that I want to do 0:11:53.276 --> 0:11:55.836 in terms of like TikTok dancing, Like it's a very 0:11:55.996 --> 0:12:00.156 like it's a very like specific way of moving because 0:12:00.156 --> 0:12:02.996 you don't really like move your body. And I'm not 0:12:03.116 --> 0:12:04.036 from that school. 0:12:04.876 --> 0:12:06.316 When you say you don't have to move your body, 0:12:06.316 --> 0:12:07.596 it looks like you have to move your body. My 0:12:07.916 --> 0:12:10.956 daughter tries to teach me totok, I can't move my body. 0:12:11.116 --> 0:12:13.316 This is how I see it, and like, you know, 0:12:13.356 --> 0:12:15.676 I'm just gonna be honest. It's like because I'm from 0:12:15.756 --> 0:12:18.676 more old school dancing, like I started like jazz dancing 0:12:18.756 --> 0:12:21.756 or like doing tap or like ballet or something. And 0:12:22.196 --> 0:12:25.076 when I did even like street dance and hip hop, 0:12:25.116 --> 0:12:29.036 we're talking about the era of I'm trying to think 0:12:29.076 --> 0:12:31.396 when it was like when I was a teenager and 0:12:31.396 --> 0:12:33.196 I was learning hip hop dancing. We're talking about like 0:12:33.196 --> 0:12:35.436 early Chris Brown or something like that. It's kind of 0:12:35.476 --> 0:12:37.716 like in the wake of of kind of like Michael 0:12:37.796 --> 0:12:41.196 Jackson like that kind of way. Yeah, it's like the 0:12:41.236 --> 0:12:46.396 post Michael like R and B wave of dancing, which 0:12:46.396 --> 0:12:48.676 is even I mean in the most pop sense I'm 0:12:48.676 --> 0:12:53.076 thinking of. You could even imagine like Aliyah or like 0:12:53.156 --> 0:12:56.356 Destiny's Child or that kind of way of dancing. That's 0:12:56.396 --> 0:12:59.516 when I was coming up learning commercial dancing, which is 0:12:59.556 --> 0:13:03.116 one thing. But okay, so like this is the way 0:13:03.116 --> 0:13:05.036 I describe im probably gonna sound so crazy, but like 0:13:05.156 --> 0:13:10.916 to dance a TikTok dance, it's it's like making your 0:13:11.236 --> 0:13:14.596 head like the center of the screen. So it's like 0:13:14.676 --> 0:13:17.956 this way of dancing where like you don't like. 0:13:17.996 --> 0:13:21.836 The movement is limited limits, which is exactly. 0:13:21.876 --> 0:13:23.796 So it's like really interesting for me because I just 0:13:23.796 --> 0:13:25.836 don't move in that way because like I'm just from 0:13:25.876 --> 0:13:27.796 a different time, So ay time when you won't. 0:13:27.636 --> 0:13:28.916 Worried about being in the fucking frame. 0:13:29.116 --> 0:13:31.196 I don't have to worry about the frame. We didn't 0:13:31.316 --> 0:13:33.836 film ourselves doing it, you know. I'm from like an 0:13:33.836 --> 0:13:36.636 era of when I was training to be a dancer. 0:13:36.636 --> 0:13:38.276 I would go to class the way that you see 0:13:38.356 --> 0:13:41.996 kids going to class now, but you wouldn't film the 0:13:42.236 --> 0:13:44.876 end of class, whereas now it's completely normal. They have 0:13:44.956 --> 0:13:52.676 these like amazing like sticks sticks, and it's like it 0:13:52.676 --> 0:13:55.276 looks so good, little X yeah, and you do like 0:13:55.316 --> 0:13:57.676 a move and the camera shakes and stuff Like I'm 0:13:57.716 --> 0:13:59.996 not saying it's bad. I think it's good. If anything 0:14:00.036 --> 0:14:02.156 like I genuinely do think is good. It's just like 0:14:02.476 --> 0:14:06.156 I'm so like in my era of being like a mover, 0:14:06.316 --> 0:14:12.796 I'm so past thinking about that. Like I'm literally at 0:14:12.796 --> 0:14:15.796 a point in my movement development where I'm like body 0:14:15.836 --> 0:14:19.916 mobility and safety when movement is very important to me. 0:14:19.996 --> 0:14:22.356 So I'm very much kind of like how do I 0:14:22.476 --> 0:14:26.676 keep spine mobility into my forties And how do I 0:14:26.756 --> 0:14:31.116 do like hip opening exercises and how do I safely 0:14:31.516 --> 0:14:33.796 go on to the floor and how do I keep 0:14:33.796 --> 0:14:36.196 my flexibility and the movements that I'm doing, Like even 0:14:36.276 --> 0:14:38.996 on the pole, I'm really thinking about like, oh, when 0:14:39.036 --> 0:14:41.236 I did that back movement, I feel like I'm moving 0:14:41.276 --> 0:14:43.596 too much in my lumber spine, Like how do I 0:14:43.636 --> 0:14:48.476 find extra movement in my upper upper shoulders to support 0:14:48.556 --> 0:14:50.796 the flexibility that I have in my middle back which 0:14:50.836 --> 0:14:52.556 I don't want to rely on so that I can 0:14:52.636 --> 0:14:54.796 keep on doing this for ten years, and like, I'm 0:14:54.876 --> 0:15:00.196 so in another part of my journey as a mover 0:15:00.876 --> 0:15:06.756 to donate my time to doing TikTok dances, which is 0:15:06.876 --> 0:15:10.036 fine that it's fucking so cool, actually, but I just 0:15:10.236 --> 0:15:12.436 like I can't do it, and I can't do that 0:15:12.516 --> 0:15:14.836 and do that. I have to do my hip opening 0:15:14.876 --> 0:15:20.556 exercises more than I have. 0:15:16.996 --> 0:15:20.796 To be great TikTok pages, probably because I look, I'm 0:15:20.796 --> 0:15:22.796 trying to do the same thing. I'm like, I'm just 0:15:22.916 --> 0:15:24.996 telling my guy been here. I'm like, I haven't run 0:15:24.996 --> 0:15:26.916 in fourteen months, not because I don't love to run, 0:15:26.996 --> 0:15:29.396 but because I keep sucking my my hip up or 0:15:29.436 --> 0:15:30.236 my ankle. 0:15:30.876 --> 0:15:34.956 Like that's something for another period of life, like not running. 0:15:35.156 --> 0:15:36.596 Yeah, but I have no other way to get like 0:15:36.636 --> 0:15:37.596 my fucking. 0:15:37.676 --> 0:15:45.676 Walking uphill on a treadmill. Yes, it's quite meditative. Yeah, 0:15:45.676 --> 0:15:47.876 it's good. Like if you've got like knee hip issues, 0:15:47.916 --> 0:15:50.756 it's like walking uphill on a treadmill forty minutes. Put 0:15:50.796 --> 0:15:53.676 on a podcast, put on this fire game. Yeah, on 0:15:53.716 --> 0:15:54.796 this podcast. 0:15:56.876 --> 0:15:57.996 I'm glad you're talking about. 0:15:59.956 --> 0:16:03.556 It's not all It's like fucking amazing. I feel so young. 0:16:03.596 --> 0:16:05.396 I'm getting younger in many ways. 0:16:05.436 --> 0:16:07.236 I feel younger than for younger. 0:16:07.516 --> 0:16:07.956 But that's what. 0:16:09.956 --> 0:16:12.916 I don't say that. Don't say that that is true. 0:16:13.116 --> 0:16:15.356 I thought I was, you know, because when I was young, 0:16:15.396 --> 0:16:16.956 I used to think I was old, Like I really 0:16:16.956 --> 0:16:18.836 thought it would. I have a friend I tell her 0:16:18.876 --> 0:16:21.036 all the time like she's like now like doing really 0:16:21.036 --> 0:16:23.956 great music. But I remember in college, like we're graduating 0:16:23.996 --> 0:16:26.716 college and she bought a fucking keyboard. I remember looking 0:16:26.716 --> 0:16:28.836 at her being like the fuck are you doing? Like 0:16:28.836 --> 0:16:33.276 we're we gotta go figure life out and now and 0:16:33.316 --> 0:16:35.556 then like now she's killing it, and I'm like, how 0:16:35.636 --> 0:16:37.076 dumb was I? Like I felt like we were. I 0:16:37.476 --> 0:16:39.316 thought we were like middle aged at that point, you know. 0:16:39.476 --> 0:16:41.356 But you know, did you you have that same Yeah? 0:16:41.396 --> 0:16:42.476 I had that same thing too. 0:16:42.596 --> 0:16:46.396 Yeah how did you get past that to actually then 0:16:47.036 --> 0:16:50.636 applying yourself to create and make things and and have 0:16:50.676 --> 0:16:51.596 a go at a career. 0:16:51.756 --> 0:16:53.996 And like I mean I speak about it, I'm trying 0:16:53.996 --> 0:16:59.116 to meet this cross section where I look young, feel young, 0:16:59.716 --> 0:17:03.356 like I'm within youth culture, which which I still am, 0:17:03.676 --> 0:17:07.076 and like I'm becoming more wise and I'm learning my 0:17:07.156 --> 0:17:09.636 lessons and I'm like not a fucking idiot anymore. And 0:17:09.676 --> 0:17:11.956 if I can like hit that cross section where I'm 0:17:11.996 --> 0:17:15.556 like sexy and fresh and I'm not an idiot, you know, 0:17:15.636 --> 0:17:18.316 and I can feel it coming haven't really like I'm 0:17:18.356 --> 0:17:21.156 like and then when I hit that cross section, you know, 0:17:21.236 --> 0:17:23.996 like I'm it's like, it's not that I feel old 0:17:24.076 --> 0:17:27.036 or young. For me, it's about like learning my lessons 0:17:27.036 --> 0:17:31.396 in life, not repeating patterns, developing as a friend, an artist, 0:17:31.996 --> 0:17:34.196 a daughter, or a girlfriend, whatever it is I need 0:17:34.236 --> 0:17:37.236 to do in my personal life and my mind, and 0:17:37.436 --> 0:17:40.356 keeping my relationship with myself healthy, which is obviously in 0:17:40.396 --> 0:17:43.396 this industry very hard to do. If I can do 0:17:43.516 --> 0:17:49.036 that and still be having new ideas as an artist, 0:17:49.476 --> 0:17:53.876 still be affecting culture, still be you know, I like 0:17:54.076 --> 0:18:01.196 leading ideas, ways of making music, ways of moving Like 0:18:01.396 --> 0:18:04.116 I don't mind being like the first of things and 0:18:04.116 --> 0:18:07.436 people not quite understanding it straight away. Like I'm really 0:18:07.756 --> 0:18:11.036 okay with that. That makes me very excited to kind 0:18:11.076 --> 0:18:13.556 of be a part of like even sometimes just a 0:18:13.636 --> 0:18:17.636 droplet of inventing a new sound or a new moment 0:18:18.236 --> 0:18:21.476 in an era or a decade. I feel so lucky, 0:18:21.476 --> 0:18:23.476 I mean with you sexually, I feel so lucky because 0:18:23.476 --> 0:18:27.196 I feel that it's like made its mark in this 0:18:27.316 --> 0:18:29.316 era of time, and so to be able to have 0:18:29.876 --> 0:18:32.196 done that in like twenty twelve, and then to be 0:18:32.316 --> 0:18:35.196 able to be a part of the conversation again yeah 0:18:35.516 --> 0:18:39.196 in twenty twenty six is like incredible, you know. So, 0:18:39.236 --> 0:18:43.076 and then it's not about age. Then it's about development 0:18:43.156 --> 0:18:46.276 as a person and as an artist, and it's about growth. 0:18:46.796 --> 0:18:50.596 Yeah, yeah, yeah, We'll be back with more from FK 0:18:50.796 --> 0:18:58.996 Twigs after the break. You know, listening to your discography 0:18:59.116 --> 0:19:01.556 makes me think of certain people. I didn't really connect 0:19:01.556 --> 0:19:06.036 the dots, but those people probably are people who perhaps 0:19:06.076 --> 0:19:08.756 had similar approaches, you know, like like Prince you know, 0:19:08.796 --> 0:19:11.356 when you think about how he was, he was never 0:19:11.636 --> 0:19:15.116 quite chasing. He's never chasing youth culture, chasing being cool. 0:19:15.156 --> 0:19:17.556 He was just after doing his fucking thing and you 0:19:17.596 --> 0:19:20.676 caught up or you didn't, or you moved along. And Madonna, 0:19:21.276 --> 0:19:23.836 same thing. Like I don't think, you know, I don't 0:19:23.836 --> 0:19:25.636 want to speak for these people or speak for you, 0:19:25.716 --> 0:19:28.716 but it seems like they had similar modes of creating 0:19:28.796 --> 0:19:31.756 and relating to themselves as people and creative people. Creative 0:19:31.876 --> 0:19:35.996 probably Pad yeah, the same. You know. I know you 0:19:36.036 --> 0:19:38.676 have his daughter on your sexual which is super cool. 0:19:38.796 --> 0:19:42.716 Yeah, that's the best. I think that the differences is 0:19:42.756 --> 0:19:44.796 back in the day, artists had a lot of time 0:19:44.836 --> 0:19:47.356 to develop. Like even when you look at Prince like 0:19:47.396 --> 0:19:49.836 he had a few records that he released or Bowie, 0:19:50.396 --> 0:19:53.956 there were records that were released that only became popular 0:19:54.036 --> 0:19:57.236 after they blew up. Yeah, you know, and I think 0:19:57.396 --> 0:19:59.356 I'm probably gonna get this so wrong, but I think 0:19:59.836 --> 0:20:01.956 like Bawi did Let's Dance, and I think he was 0:20:02.036 --> 0:20:06.596 like maybe forty or like I think he was. Yeah, 0:20:06.636 --> 0:20:08.356 I think he was like in his forties and he 0:20:08.436 --> 0:20:10.476 just lets dance and that was like a huge hit 0:20:10.476 --> 0:20:11.916 for him. And I think that was such like a 0:20:11.956 --> 0:20:14.436 breakthrough moment for him as an artist to like enter 0:20:14.556 --> 0:20:18.396 into like the living rooms of like many nations and 0:20:18.396 --> 0:20:21.996 and that was completely normal then. I think even like 0:20:22.036 --> 0:20:25.236 Elton John had released like a few records that you know, 0:20:25.316 --> 0:20:27.876 his fans like, but then he later on like he 0:20:27.996 --> 0:20:30.876 then started having like the big hits and there's just 0:20:30.876 --> 0:20:34.196 just this time the artists back in the day. 0:20:34.316 --> 0:20:36.036 But it's crazy too because I mean, like there was 0:20:36.036 --> 0:20:37.836 like a bunch of records too that we love now 0:20:37.876 --> 0:20:41.036 that I mean like Diamond Dogs. Yeah, not commercially and 0:20:41.076 --> 0:20:43.996 critically but you find that Americans no one gave a fuck, 0:20:44.076 --> 0:20:45.956 you know, critically exactly, you know. 0:20:45.916 --> 0:20:48.756 Like exactly. But then you discover them after they have 0:20:48.916 --> 0:20:51.236 like their big hit or whatever, and you can go 0:20:51.276 --> 0:20:53.356 back and you can see this like breadth of work, 0:20:53.756 --> 0:20:56.836 and that's the artists back in the day had that 0:20:56.996 --> 0:20:59.796 time to develop. So for me, I still feel like 0:21:00.156 --> 0:21:02.836 a new artist because I've still not had my Let's 0:21:02.916 --> 0:21:06.116 dance yet. I've still not had that moment yet. 0:21:06.196 --> 0:21:08.036 This feels pretty This feels like a let's dance in 0:21:08.076 --> 0:21:12.156 a way like me, no, no, no, okay, what would 0:21:12.196 --> 0:21:15.356 make what would make it feel like? That's what your moment? 0:21:15.436 --> 0:21:16.356 Like that moment is. 0:21:16.676 --> 0:21:20.836 For artists like myself that tend to either be like 0:21:21.996 --> 0:21:26.276 very like off center of the curve or like sometimes 0:21:26.276 --> 0:21:29.276 like to ahead of the curve. It's a kind of 0:21:30.076 --> 0:21:35.596 magical universal gift that's slightly out of your hands. The 0:21:35.836 --> 0:21:38.556 culture and what you're doing hit at the same time, 0:21:39.116 --> 0:21:42.396 and you can't really control it, you know, you can't 0:21:42.436 --> 0:21:46.876 actually like quite control that, like the cultural consciousness and 0:21:46.996 --> 0:21:52.196 narrative needs exactly what you're doing at that time. And 0:21:52.716 --> 0:21:55.556 then that's the moment, right, like I've actually not had 0:21:55.556 --> 0:21:57.916 that moment, I'm either like way off to the left 0:21:58.036 --> 0:22:01.156 or or like I'm almost a bit too ahead of 0:22:01.196 --> 0:22:05.236 it sometimes with sounds or with ideas. And that's so fine, 0:22:05.276 --> 0:22:07.716 Like honestly, I love my careers so much, Like if 0:22:07.756 --> 0:22:10.036 this is what it is for me, Like I'm so blessed, 0:22:10.076 --> 0:22:13.716 I'm so happy. But Bowie or Bowie? What do you say? 0:22:13.716 --> 0:22:16.796 Bowie Bowie? But just but I think in the UK, Bowie, 0:22:16.876 --> 0:22:18.276 which is it? 0:22:18.356 --> 0:22:21.556 I'm not going to Okay, Tomato, Okay, so Bowie, like 0:22:22.036 --> 0:22:24.836 you know he had that moment with Less Dance or 0:22:24.876 --> 0:22:29.956 Byork had like it's also quiet? Yeah, And it's not 0:22:30.156 --> 0:22:33.156 that what is that? Is it also quiet? The Bork song? 0:22:33.236 --> 0:22:34.236 Is that what it's actually called her? 0:22:34.276 --> 0:22:36.716 Is it? I'm really bad with it? 0:22:36.836 --> 0:22:42.956 But it's okay shush the title, Yeah, okay, so shush, 0:22:43.276 --> 0:22:48.356 so quiet for Byork. It's not that that song is 0:22:48.716 --> 0:22:51.396 like better or worse than any of the rest of 0:22:51.396 --> 0:22:54.556 her songs before that. It's that at that point with 0:22:54.916 --> 0:22:58.396 that video that I think Spike Jones directed, that is 0:22:59.076 --> 0:23:02.516 what culture needed to put her on the world stage. 0:23:02.756 --> 0:23:04.316 And when I was a kid, that was actually the 0:23:04.316 --> 0:23:07.156 first time I'd heard of Byork, you know, because I 0:23:07.196 --> 0:23:08.356 was I think I was. I was a kid, and 0:23:08.356 --> 0:23:09.716 I can't remember. I think I was in my early 0:23:09.756 --> 0:23:11.756 teens maybe when that came out or when I became 0:23:11.916 --> 0:23:14.196 aware of it, but then that was the entry point 0:23:14.236 --> 0:23:17.356 to something way way, way, way way deeper. Yeah, but 0:23:17.436 --> 0:23:21.276 she just had that more like global moment because that's 0:23:21.356 --> 0:23:23.796 just what culture needed and that's what it latched onto. 0:23:24.516 --> 0:23:27.236 But no, it's amazing though, too, like that because there 0:23:27.236 --> 0:23:30.956 are some artists who have that moment that you're talking 0:23:30.956 --> 0:23:34.156 about and then and then chase it or that's what 0:23:34.636 --> 0:23:37.196 now they think they need to do. And then there 0:23:37.196 --> 0:23:40.676 are people like York like Bowie who have it and 0:23:40.716 --> 0:23:43.796 it's great and to keep on their pay Yeah, yeah, 0:23:43.876 --> 0:23:47.476 stay weird. Yeah yeah. Maybe Neil Young's the same, right, 0:23:47.516 --> 0:23:50.756 like had a lot ton of misses and then early 0:23:50.836 --> 0:23:53.836 nineties has Harvest Moon or whatever, you know, and that's like, 0:23:54.076 --> 0:23:56.356 you know what he's now he's used again in his 0:23:56.676 --> 0:23:59.436 forties or fifties, even like that's probably the song is 0:23:59.476 --> 0:24:00.756 most known for at this point. 0:24:00.956 --> 0:24:02.996 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:24:03.996 --> 0:24:07.916 Jones has Dad Thriller in his fifty you know what I'm. 0:24:07.756 --> 0:24:10.316 Saying exactly, But it takes that long, like it's just 0:24:10.356 --> 0:24:13.516 about learning your craft. And I've learned so much, and 0:24:13.596 --> 0:24:17.196 I've had to have weird moments in my musical journey 0:24:17.716 --> 0:24:21.796 that I feel kind of like were like off kilter 0:24:21.916 --> 0:24:25.476 for me. But those weird moments have made the moments 0:24:25.476 --> 0:24:29.436 that have worked possible because I've learned how to structure 0:24:29.476 --> 0:24:32.676 a song, or I've learned how to eke you a drum, 0:24:32.836 --> 0:24:35.356 or I've learned about a rhythm that I hadn't done before. 0:24:35.396 --> 0:24:38.276 And sometimes it's just about a few tries, you know. 0:24:38.316 --> 0:24:40.276 Sometimes you try a song and you think it doesn't 0:24:40.356 --> 0:24:42.876 quite work, but you release it because you know release it, 0:24:42.916 --> 0:24:44.796 you think okay, and then you actually like almost do 0:24:44.916 --> 0:24:48.196 that song again, but better, like two or three years later. 0:24:48.236 --> 0:24:50.636 It's like the same song, it's the same DNA of 0:24:50.676 --> 0:24:52.516 the song, and you do it later and then that's 0:24:52.556 --> 0:24:55.556 the one that works. It's so strange how that works. 0:24:55.596 --> 0:24:57.996 But you had to have the kind of not so 0:24:58.076 --> 0:25:00.876 good version before for the next one to kind of hit. 0:25:01.156 --> 0:25:03.796 There's an example of that that stands out to you. 0:25:04.396 --> 0:25:07.916 I think like as a project catpre songs, I mean, 0:25:07.916 --> 0:25:10.796 it was never like album, It's like a mixtape. 0:25:10.836 --> 0:25:12.716 I didn't realize it was a mixtape until it's a 0:25:12.756 --> 0:25:14.796 mixtape till this week. I didn't I thought that was 0:25:14.796 --> 0:25:15.236 an album. 0:25:15.316 --> 0:25:17.516 No, no, it's a mixtape. I mean I made it quick. 0:25:17.516 --> 0:25:19.236 It's like with after Glow for me as well, Like 0:25:19.276 --> 0:25:22.076 these are projects that I make quite quickly and in 0:25:22.116 --> 0:25:25.436 a different way to how I make like my record records. 0:25:26.956 --> 0:25:30.876 But there's a lot of like experimentation. But Caprio songs 0:25:30.916 --> 0:25:33.756 kind of like taught me how to write better songs, 0:25:34.356 --> 0:25:37.716 even though there's not necessarily like even well written songs, 0:25:37.716 --> 0:25:41.316 particularly on Caprio song. It's just but it's just like 0:25:41.356 --> 0:25:43.996 a bit hookier, Like it's just it's just like there's 0:25:44.276 --> 0:25:47.036 Caprio songs. It's like there's more hooks on it. They 0:25:47.116 --> 0:25:49.116 might not be in the right order, like the hooks 0:25:49.116 --> 0:25:51.036 probably aren't in the right order for like an amazing 0:25:51.076 --> 0:25:54.036 pop song. But I just learned, like, oh, I found 0:25:54.036 --> 0:25:56.676 my way to repeat a melody and do it in 0:25:56.676 --> 0:25:59.796 my way because in my usual songwriting, I don't give 0:25:59.796 --> 0:26:01.956 a fuck, I'll do a different melody for the verse, 0:26:01.996 --> 0:26:04.076 the pre and the chorus won't a'll only happen once 0:26:04.276 --> 0:26:04.996 because why not? 0:26:05.156 --> 0:26:05.356 You know? 0:26:05.476 --> 0:26:07.636 But do you know what I mean? Like sometimes I'm 0:26:07.636 --> 0:26:10.076 like whatever it doesn't matter. But but with Caprew songs, 0:26:10.076 --> 0:26:14.596 I learn about structure. I learn about like minimalism within 0:26:14.836 --> 0:26:20.796 sounds that maybe are like more palatable to audiences. And 0:26:20.796 --> 0:26:23.676 for me, it's like testing what I'm okay with because 0:26:23.676 --> 0:26:26.476 sometimes when something is too like palatable or normal, I'm like, okay, 0:26:26.476 --> 0:26:28.956 not for me, like I've lost my place in this now, 0:26:29.156 --> 0:26:31.156 this is for someone else to do very well, like 0:26:31.196 --> 0:26:33.516 I don't need to do that. But Capri Songs at 0:26:33.516 --> 0:26:36.036 the time was about me because I've just come off Magdalen, 0:26:38.716 --> 0:26:41.396 you know, kind of psychedelic. But but then Caprio songs, 0:26:41.396 --> 0:26:44.316 I'm like testing, Like, am I comfortable with a drum 0:26:44.516 --> 0:26:46.596 that doesn't change throughout a whole song? I don't know. 0:26:46.636 --> 0:26:48.676 I've not done that before. My drums change all the time. 0:26:48.716 --> 0:26:50.676 So am I comfortable with a rhythm this stays the same? 0:26:50.796 --> 0:26:53.356 Am I comfortable with a repeating bassline? And I have 0:26:53.436 --> 0:26:55.236 to like test it and I think, yeah, I can 0:26:55.276 --> 0:26:57.516 do I can do that, Yeah I can do I 0:26:57.516 --> 0:26:59.996 can do that rhythm, I can I can do a 0:27:00.036 --> 0:27:02.876 structure that is like verse pre chorus, verse pre chorus, 0:27:02.876 --> 0:27:05.636 Like I'm okay with that, But it's not. It's it's 0:27:05.676 --> 0:27:08.956 like an It's like an experiment, and Capri songs was 0:27:08.956 --> 0:27:14.116 all also an ode to uh my culture and the 0:27:14.236 --> 0:27:17.396 music I was brought up on, like like not at 0:27:17.396 --> 0:27:20.716 home so much, but with my friends, like a bit 0:27:20.756 --> 0:27:23.436 of R and B Bashman dance or like more like 0:27:23.596 --> 0:27:26.116 I guess like black rhythms, you know, because I'm biracial. 0:27:26.116 --> 0:27:29.276 So I'm just looking at a constant like fucking crisis, 0:27:30.116 --> 0:27:32.876 you know. Do you know what I mean about? 0:27:32.956 --> 0:27:34.276 Like is your mom white or your dad? 0:27:34.476 --> 0:27:37.076 My mom is Spanish and white and my dad is Jamaican, 0:27:37.316 --> 0:27:39.876 but I was raised by a Beijing man, so I'm 0:27:39.916 --> 0:27:42.156 even more confused because I have like different sides of 0:27:42.196 --> 0:27:45.236 like the Caribbean coming at me that are very like opposing, 0:27:45.556 --> 0:27:49.196 very competing. Yeah yeah, yeah, It's like I'm Jamaican in 0:27:49.276 --> 0:27:51.276 my DNA, but I'm did. 0:27:51.116 --> 0:27:55.076 You make it? I mean, come on culture obviously across 0:27:55.116 --> 0:27:55.956 all cultures, you. 0:27:55.916 --> 0:27:58.676 Know, Like yeah, you know, it's great. I feel it 0:27:58.716 --> 0:27:59.636 in my blood. It's great. 0:27:59.676 --> 0:28:04.196 No respect to your stepdad or anything. Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:28:03.996 --> 0:28:07.556 But like yeah, it's great. Like I feel my like 0:28:07.756 --> 0:28:11.556 black blood in me. I feel it tangibly like inside me, 0:28:11.636 --> 0:28:12.196 and it's. 0:28:12.076 --> 0:28:15.356 Like it's Spanish but that's kind of deep too, though. 0:28:15.396 --> 0:28:18.716 I mean, you know, you think about the Moorish influence 0:28:18.716 --> 0:28:20.956 and all that, you know running through that music, and 0:28:20.996 --> 0:28:23.836 that's like it's not something I haven't dolved into as 0:28:23.916 --> 0:28:25.996 much as I you know, want to in the future. 0:28:26.036 --> 0:28:29.356 But you know what I mean. When I listened to 0:28:29.356 --> 0:28:30.676 that stuff, it's like incredible. 0:28:30.876 --> 0:28:33.836 Yeah it is, it is. There's lots of stuff going 0:28:33.836 --> 0:28:36.316 on in there, and yeah, Cabriot Songs was like more 0:28:36.316 --> 0:28:38.796 of an ode to the rhythms that I think like 0:28:39.196 --> 0:28:42.796 that I first latched onto maybe as a teenager going out. 0:28:42.796 --> 0:28:44.436 I went to a lot of like bashman and dance 0:28:44.436 --> 0:28:48.076 hall clubs and stuff. That was like my first experience 0:28:48.156 --> 0:28:51.956 of like going to like illegal like nightclubs and stuff 0:28:51.956 --> 0:28:54.636 like that. Was like dance hall clubs. 0:28:54.396 --> 0:28:56.836 Were those like cool places to get that time or 0:28:56.916 --> 0:28:58.796 just a place to be. So I don't know what 0:28:58.796 --> 0:29:02.116 the layout of London's sort of nightlife is. 0:29:03.116 --> 0:29:06.156 Oh, I'm from the country, so I'm like a country girl. 0:29:06.436 --> 0:29:09.556 And where I grew up I was in place called 0:29:09.596 --> 0:29:12.916 Gloucestershire and there's lots of different pockets. It's a really 0:29:12.916 --> 0:29:16.716 interesting place because I was born in a place called Cheltenham, 0:29:17.156 --> 0:29:21.356 which is very white, very very very white, and it's 0:29:21.476 --> 0:29:23.756 very interesting because it's like in some ways when I 0:29:23.796 --> 0:29:27.316 was growing up there, it is very affluent and it's 0:29:27.356 --> 0:29:29.676 known as a commuters town, so it's where like a 0:29:29.716 --> 0:29:32.276 lot of middle class people live that commute into London, 0:29:32.596 --> 0:29:35.316 and it's very beautiful, Like there's a beautiful area called 0:29:35.316 --> 0:29:39.116 Montpellier which is like just beautiful buildings and everything is 0:29:39.196 --> 0:29:42.076 just so. And on the other side of it, there's 0:29:42.116 --> 0:29:46.156 a very big, like lower working class and working class 0:29:46.156 --> 0:29:48.676 community and there's a lot of like travelers and it's 0:29:49.636 --> 0:29:53.116 very a lot of farmers there, and on the other 0:29:53.156 --> 0:29:56.036 side of it, you know, like it it's very raw 0:29:56.076 --> 0:30:01.676 and it's very working class. And my upbringing was kind 0:30:01.676 --> 0:30:05.436 of confusing because like my family's very working class and 0:30:05.436 --> 0:30:08.716 they're from Birmingham, like working class Birmingham, which anyone that's 0:30:08.756 --> 0:30:11.836 like from Birmingham or from England like knows exactly what 0:30:11.876 --> 0:30:14.236 that means. But I think Birmingham's an amazing place. Is 0:30:14.276 --> 0:30:17.436 often left out of the conversation a bit of the UK, 0:30:17.636 --> 0:30:19.716 but I think it's a place that's very rich in culture, 0:30:19.756 --> 0:30:21.636 and I think it's a place that's like there's like 0:30:21.676 --> 0:30:24.916 a really big Aid, Indian and Asian community there, and 0:30:24.916 --> 0:30:28.156 a really big black community there. Cheltenham is this one place, 0:30:28.756 --> 0:30:32.356 but then Gloucester which is very close, it's just like 0:30:32.396 --> 0:30:34.836 fifteen minutes away, and then Bristol, which is very close, 0:30:34.876 --> 0:30:36.916 it's maybe like half an hour forty five minutes away, 0:30:37.836 --> 0:30:42.196 is very rich in black culture and specifically Caribbean culture, 0:30:42.236 --> 0:30:44.076 and it's a lot of people that have come straight 0:30:44.076 --> 0:30:46.556 from the Caribbean, like have been there. And then this 0:30:46.636 --> 0:30:50.996 is basically where like trip hop like laid its roots. 0:30:51.036 --> 0:30:56.556 So this is like where Tricky's from Porter's Head, this 0:30:56.796 --> 0:31:01.356 type of like music and music that its like trip hop, 0:31:01.396 --> 0:31:04.276 but then also kind of a lot of dub as 0:31:04.316 --> 0:31:08.236 well and jungle really like laid its roots in these areas. 0:31:08.316 --> 0:31:11.156 There was this bus that went from Cheltenham to Gloston. 0:31:11.236 --> 0:31:14.316 For me at fourteen, this bus was like a fucking 0:31:14.356 --> 0:31:18.276 godsend because I went from this area where I was 0:31:18.316 --> 0:31:21.676 the only black person in my area other than like 0:31:21.756 --> 0:31:25.036 my stepdad. Yeah, I could get this bus after school 0:31:25.516 --> 0:31:28.716 like twenty minutes and I was around then something completely different. 0:31:29.156 --> 0:31:32.356 People that were from like the island I'm from, you know, 0:31:32.716 --> 0:31:35.556 or half of me is from. And so when I 0:31:35.556 --> 0:31:37.476 first started going out, Like there was this club called 0:31:37.516 --> 0:31:40.636 the Jamaican Club that was like an illegal kind of 0:31:40.716 --> 0:31:43.116 like I guess, I don't know a lot of like 0:31:43.196 --> 0:31:47.356 rasters would go there and play dancehall, batsman reggae and 0:31:47.436 --> 0:31:49.596 just like sit and hang and there would be food 0:31:49.716 --> 0:31:53.356 and you would just go and like smoke until and dance. 0:31:53.476 --> 0:31:56.196 And these are the nightclubs that I first started like 0:31:56.236 --> 0:32:00.156 frequenting as a teenager. Anyways, So when I make Capbrey Songs, 0:32:00.196 --> 0:32:05.916 it was kind of like an ode to that side 0:32:05.916 --> 0:32:06.156 of me. 0:32:06.516 --> 0:32:09.796 In the idea of it come out more as a 0:32:09.836 --> 0:32:14.476 mixtape than an album. Was that always the intention it 0:32:14.596 --> 0:32:17.676 was was to experiment and then release something that didn't 0:32:17.716 --> 0:32:19.956 feel as definitive as an album. 0:32:20.156 --> 0:32:24.436 Yeah, because it's like not really finished gapfree song. It's 0:32:24.476 --> 0:32:27.156 not like exactly finished. I would say, it's like something 0:32:27.196 --> 0:32:30.116 that was made. But it's same with after Glow, you know, 0:32:30.196 --> 0:32:32.036 like after Glow is like not exactly finished. 0:32:32.236 --> 0:32:35.836 I'm shocked at you. So you said, I don't even 0:32:35.876 --> 0:32:37.516 know if we were recording then, but you said you 0:32:37.596 --> 0:32:38.836 made that very quickly. 0:32:38.916 --> 0:32:40.036 I made in twelve weeks. 0:32:40.116 --> 0:32:42.036 Twelve weeks pretty much like one. 0:32:41.956 --> 0:32:43.156 Or two songs I thought. 0:32:42.996 --> 0:32:44.916 I just for some reason, it sounds it really does 0:32:44.956 --> 0:32:48.676 sound like of a piece with To me, it sounds 0:32:48.716 --> 0:32:52.076 like related enough that I thought maybe they were created 0:32:52.636 --> 0:32:53.996 at the same time. You know. 0:32:54.596 --> 0:32:59.236 No, I made after Glow because I wanted to like 0:33:00.156 --> 0:33:02.196 have a strike so I could get off one of 0:33:02.236 --> 0:33:04.956 my record labels. And I didn't want to be like 0:33:05.076 --> 0:33:08.236 totally because like I really like respected that label, and 0:33:08.276 --> 0:33:11.076 I didn't want to be like totally disrespectful and give 0:33:11.116 --> 0:33:13.396 them trash, because I know some artists do that they 0:33:13.436 --> 0:33:16.476 just think or whatever, there's another frank, Yeah, do you 0:33:16.516 --> 0:33:17.836 know what I mean. I didn't want to do that 0:33:17.916 --> 0:33:19.876 because I respect them and we've had a really good 0:33:19.956 --> 0:33:25.356 journey together. But I have this one song that for me, 0:33:25.436 --> 0:33:28.676 it's like one of the most beautiful songs that I've written, 0:33:28.796 --> 0:33:31.676 and I want it to come out this year and 0:33:32.036 --> 0:33:34.396 I need to I needed to own the masters to 0:33:34.436 --> 0:33:37.636 that song. Wow, and in like my record label, because 0:33:37.636 --> 0:33:39.516 I was on two record labels. So on the one 0:33:39.556 --> 0:33:42.156 that I'm still on now, I get my master's back, 0:33:42.276 --> 0:33:46.676 which is Atlantic. Yeah, so on that like in a timeframe, 0:33:47.036 --> 0:33:50.756 the idem is acceptable. I get those masters back and 0:33:50.796 --> 0:33:53.716 this one song on the record, it's like, you know, 0:33:53.796 --> 0:33:56.676 for me, it's it's like a cellophane. It's not in sound, 0:33:56.836 --> 0:33:59.396 but in how important it is to me and how 0:33:59.436 --> 0:34:01.916 important the lyrics are to me. You know, because when 0:34:01.956 --> 0:34:03.876 you're an artist and you don't own your masters, it's 0:34:03.876 --> 0:34:06.556 like painting and giving away paintings and you never get 0:34:06.556 --> 0:34:09.316 them back. But when you own your masters, then even 0:34:09.356 --> 0:34:11.356 if they live in a different gallery for a minute, 0:34:11.556 --> 0:34:14.676 you get to you say, yeah, sure you can put 0:34:14.676 --> 0:34:18.436 my work in your gallery for like ten years. That's fine, right, 0:34:18.796 --> 0:34:20.836 But then in ten years I get to take that 0:34:20.956 --> 0:34:22.796 work and I get to hang it back in my 0:34:22.836 --> 0:34:24.956 living room and it can just be in my little 0:34:24.956 --> 0:34:27.196 living room in Hackney, and I just get to hang 0:34:27.196 --> 0:34:28.876 it on the wall and I get to say, like, 0:34:28.916 --> 0:34:31.556 that's my work, you know, And that's that for me, 0:34:31.716 --> 0:34:34.476 is like very important psychologically. 0:34:34.276 --> 0:34:37.636 And obviously, I mean that's not on many people's radar 0:34:37.716 --> 0:34:39.356 when you're starting out, like that's. 0:34:39.156 --> 0:34:41.676 Not even not masters were No one even told me 0:34:41.716 --> 0:34:46.956 what masters will copyright. I was like, I was like, okay, 0:34:47.836 --> 0:34:48.476 what's incredible. 0:34:48.476 --> 0:34:50.836 You're getting on back. Then you're in a situation where 0:34:50.836 --> 0:34:52.956 you're able to get to a point. 0:34:52.756 --> 0:34:55.356 Where, yeah, my new music now I get them back. 0:34:55.556 --> 0:34:57.396 But I think that's the thing, you know, going back 0:34:57.396 --> 0:35:00.396 to when I started making music. It's not anything bad 0:35:00.676 --> 0:35:04.196 about my old label. It's just that deals looked different then, yeah, 0:35:04.236 --> 0:35:07.116 and I signed a deal that had like many records 0:35:07.116 --> 0:35:10.076 in it, and so now like it's more normal that 0:35:10.236 --> 0:35:12.516 artists like keep their masters or maybe even have like 0:35:12.796 --> 0:35:16.756 shorter record deals, which means that you can make choices 0:35:16.756 --> 0:35:18.236 that you do a record and you decide if you 0:35:18.236 --> 0:35:20.116 want to stay together or you decide if it's time 0:35:20.156 --> 0:35:22.676 to move on and stuff like that. But it's really, 0:35:22.716 --> 0:35:24.516 you know, I want to I'm always very careful. I 0:35:24.556 --> 0:35:26.556 want to be like very respectful to the relationship I 0:35:26.636 --> 0:35:28.716 had with Beggars and Young because genuinely, like I had 0:35:28.756 --> 0:35:29.356 a fab time. 0:35:29.636 --> 0:35:30.396 It's a great lay one. 0:35:30.516 --> 0:35:33.396 It's a great way for arts exactly, but it's just 0:35:33.476 --> 0:35:35.956 at certain point, like I grew to a point where, 0:35:36.676 --> 0:35:39.316 you know, if I write a song like Cellophane, or 0:35:39.316 --> 0:35:43.356 if I write certain music that has changed my life 0:35:43.356 --> 0:35:46.116 that's had like a visceral effect on my chemistry as 0:35:46.116 --> 0:35:48.596 an artist, and then I write that thing and it's 0:35:48.596 --> 0:35:50.556 sitting in front of me, and then I have to 0:35:50.636 --> 0:35:55.476 kind of like, you know, a certain point after over 0:35:55.516 --> 0:35:59.916 a decade of making music, like it's it's stunting, It's 0:36:00.196 --> 0:36:03.396 people don't really think about the psychological effect of contracts 0:36:03.436 --> 0:36:04.196 on artists. 0:36:04.476 --> 0:36:08.596 What is what's the new song called Bluebird? Bluebird? And 0:36:09.116 --> 0:36:13.236 do you know as you're writing it that it's that important? 0:36:13.276 --> 0:36:15.116 Is there feeling to you or is it only after 0:36:15.156 --> 0:36:17.516 the fact and after you're a kistos? 0:36:18.596 --> 0:36:21.236 Yeah? And it might not mean anything to anyone else, 0:36:21.276 --> 0:36:23.156 I don't know, but like to me sometimes I write 0:36:23.196 --> 0:36:25.036 things and it's like so about my life. 0:36:25.116 --> 0:36:26.916 So you knew where that was coming from as it 0:36:26.956 --> 0:36:30.116 was coming out. Yeah, And do you all do you 0:36:30.196 --> 0:36:31.796 always know where things are coming from? 0:36:31.996 --> 0:36:34.956 No? Like, sometimes I think I have moments of being 0:36:34.996 --> 0:36:38.876 like a really like special precious artist where I've done 0:36:38.876 --> 0:36:40.996 something and I feel like I'm so grateful that I 0:36:41.036 --> 0:36:42.996 was able to be a conduit for that moment and 0:36:43.076 --> 0:36:45.276 I feel really like, wow, I'm so grateful to be 0:36:45.316 --> 0:36:47.116 alive in this body and like have just made that 0:36:47.196 --> 0:36:50.476 almost makes me emotional. And then sometimes I'm like having 0:36:50.516 --> 0:36:54.276 fun or sometimes it's just like yep, you know, like 0:36:54.396 --> 0:36:59.196 just a little like flirtation and it's like not that deep, 0:36:59.956 --> 0:37:02.396 you know, but I need both because that's my personality. 0:37:02.796 --> 0:37:06.396 I feel like that personality comes through and a lot 0:37:06.396 --> 0:37:08.636 of your music, like when you're making pre songs you 0:37:08.956 --> 0:37:10.876 were trying to just make see if you could just 0:37:11.036 --> 0:37:14.076 stick with like you know, like a drum loop, that 0:37:14.156 --> 0:37:17.836 was like that's it. Like your songs expand and contract 0:37:17.956 --> 0:37:20.396 and move and like all like they're just malleable and 0:37:20.436 --> 0:37:22.836 these really cool ways that not a lot of people 0:37:23.236 --> 0:37:25.236 make songs like that anymore. Not a lot of people 0:37:25.276 --> 0:37:27.236 make records that way. They're like that feel that adventurous 0:37:27.276 --> 0:37:30.276 from like we're within one song, you've gone on a 0:37:30.316 --> 0:37:33.756 complete journey. And then when you think about some of 0:37:33.756 --> 0:37:35.236 the lyrics of these songs too, is that you can 0:37:35.276 --> 0:37:37.876 tell there's like there's a seriousness sometimes and then there's 0:37:37.876 --> 0:37:40.836 a play like all those I feel like that does 0:37:40.876 --> 0:37:41.236 come through. 0:37:41.236 --> 0:37:43.996 I think in your music, Thank you, that's my personality. 0:37:44.076 --> 0:37:48.196 I'm like either very serious and very like intense or 0:37:48.236 --> 0:37:51.996 I'm just like a kid. Yeah, I'm just so playful 0:37:52.036 --> 0:37:53.796 and it's like silly. 0:37:54.876 --> 0:37:58.076 One last break and we'll be back with FKA Twigs. 0:38:01.916 --> 0:38:04.436 My favorite print song is one of I don't know 0:38:04.476 --> 0:38:06.116 what my favorite is, but one of my Favorites is 0:38:06.196 --> 0:38:08.916 ballad of Dorothy Parker and there's a line where he 0:38:08.916 --> 0:38:13.236 says or he's like, he's he's he's met this woman. 0:38:13.796 --> 0:38:15.476 She's like, do you want to like take a bubble bath? 0:38:15.516 --> 0:38:17.836 And he's like, yeah, but I'm gonna leave my pants on. 0:38:20.036 --> 0:38:23.316 I always think about that with friends. I'm like, it's 0:38:23.356 --> 0:38:26.236 like it's bold, but it's coy, and it's like it's 0:38:26.436 --> 0:38:31.716 and it's like who does that? There's so many layers 0:38:31.756 --> 0:38:32.076 to that. 0:38:32.596 --> 0:38:37.396 Yeah, exactly, it's so fun. It's so fun making fun 0:38:37.436 --> 0:38:38.836 of yourself on songs. 0:38:39.316 --> 0:38:41.236 Why why is that? Like what makes that. 0:38:41.436 --> 0:38:43.756 So it feels like an in joke with yourself? Like 0:38:43.836 --> 0:38:45.436 I don't know that I'm even just thinking of like 0:38:45.436 --> 0:38:48.756 on sushi because I'm like, like I can't drive yet. 0:38:49.156 --> 0:38:52.156 I still can't drive, So I'm like on this song 0:38:52.956 --> 0:38:54.716 like being like a boss thing, like I'm gonna take 0:38:54.756 --> 0:38:56.796 it out to all these different places, but like I 0:38:56.876 --> 0:38:58.636 can't drive yet, so I'm gonna have to get my 0:38:58.716 --> 0:39:01.156 friend to come and pick you up so we can 0:39:01.196 --> 0:39:02.916 go out. Like I didn't know if it's like it's 0:39:02.956 --> 0:39:05.876 only funny to me, but it's just funny sometimes to 0:39:06.236 --> 0:39:09.676 just like make fun of yourself for sometimes a really 0:39:09.716 --> 0:39:12.036 intimate secret that people might not pick up on. 0:39:12.236 --> 0:39:14.276 It's funny brought Sushi was a song that made me 0:39:14.316 --> 0:39:16.436 think about a Dorothy Parker because there are those moments 0:39:16.476 --> 0:39:18.556 of like it's like it's it's it's bold, but it's 0:39:18.556 --> 0:39:22.316 also a little like I said that and I'm going 0:39:22.396 --> 0:39:24.756 to pull it back even you're like, you know, like, oh, 0:39:24.756 --> 0:39:26.956 we could have I'm gonna yeah, I don't remember the 0:39:26.996 --> 0:39:29.276 line we're going to have sex. We could have sex, 0:39:29.356 --> 0:39:32.356 but we don't have to. I like that. It's just 0:39:32.356 --> 0:39:33.676 like what are we doing. 0:39:34.196 --> 0:39:39.516 It's like, it's like what adults. We can do what 0:39:39.556 --> 0:39:41.556 we like, we can do what we want to do. 0:39:41.756 --> 0:39:45.436 Yeah, it's just a really funny framing for that, and 0:39:45.516 --> 0:39:47.116 it's a it's just a framing you don't hear a 0:39:47.116 --> 0:39:49.876 lot in the contours of pop music. 0:39:49.996 --> 0:39:53.476 You know, Yes, to be honest, it's funny that you 0:39:53.556 --> 0:39:55.636 bring up Prince because when I was writing that first 0:39:55.636 --> 0:39:58.516 part of Sushi, I actually thought about him when I 0:39:58.556 --> 0:40:02.276 was writing it. It's just about like that that playfulness 0:40:02.356 --> 0:40:05.916 and acknowledging, like the power play of like being a star, 0:40:06.956 --> 0:40:10.156 whilst also leaning into so like that you can still 0:40:10.196 --> 0:40:12.756 be so shy and vulnerable. It's like this double thing 0:40:12.796 --> 0:40:14.916 of like I'm going to fucking fly you to Paris 0:40:15.156 --> 0:40:17.956 slash like I can't drive, so my friend's going to 0:40:17.996 --> 0:40:19.196 get you actually from the airport. 0:40:19.236 --> 0:40:19.436 You know. 0:40:19.516 --> 0:40:23.516 It's kind of like this this powerplay of of like 0:40:23.636 --> 0:40:25.796 knowing as a star you can do what you like, 0:40:25.916 --> 0:40:28.756 but also you're still like so prohibited and essentially like 0:40:28.796 --> 0:40:31.956 a kid. Moonlighting is an adult still but in like 0:40:31.996 --> 0:40:34.876 a fab outfit. You've had like full glam, but you 0:40:34.916 --> 0:40:36.396 still have no idea what you're doing. You know. 0:40:36.476 --> 0:40:39.196 It sounds like that's like that's a great life, that's it. 0:40:39.196 --> 0:40:41.876 It's weird. 0:40:42.316 --> 0:40:46.156 I read that raves were really important to this album. Yeah, 0:40:46.196 --> 0:40:49.316 and I imagine raves in Europe. It's particularly it was 0:40:49.356 --> 0:40:52.116 it was specifically it was Prague. I mean, I'm not 0:40:52.156 --> 0:40:54.276 even have gone a rave here, to be honest, I 0:40:54.316 --> 0:40:57.556 have no conception of what rave culture is like. But 0:40:57.596 --> 0:41:00.436 what is it like? What is it? What's a learn 0:41:00.516 --> 0:41:03.156 about it to you? And how did that work its 0:41:03.196 --> 0:41:07.116 way into this album or these couple of projects. 0:41:07.436 --> 0:41:09.396 Yeah, I mean I've always been very scared of like 0:41:09.396 --> 0:41:12.276 a four to four beat, you know, even I think 0:41:12.756 --> 0:41:14.596 in the past like mocked it. I mean I used 0:41:14.596 --> 0:41:17.076 to mark like trap pads, you know. I used to 0:41:17.076 --> 0:41:19.836 be like like I'd be like, no, I'm not doing that, 0:41:19.876 --> 0:41:21.836 like you know, especially like LP one era, like the 0:41:22.316 --> 0:41:25.356 hat's always like changing, like even like BPM, and I'd 0:41:25.396 --> 0:41:26.876 always just be like I don't want like a straight 0:41:26.996 --> 0:41:30.636 like track, like I don't want something that's really really straight. 0:41:31.116 --> 0:41:32.916 And I used to say like that, you know, like 0:41:33.196 --> 0:41:34.996 I don't want like a four to the floor beat, 0:41:35.156 --> 0:41:39.076 like I want this kind of like abstract landscape. So 0:41:39.236 --> 0:41:41.956 the idea that I based a whole album off like techno, 0:41:42.036 --> 0:41:44.476 which is like that's the premise of techno, is like 0:41:44.676 --> 0:41:47.116 actually so humbling to me, and it just shows kind 0:41:47.116 --> 0:41:49.516 of how your taste can change. And yeah, I didn't 0:41:49.556 --> 0:41:51.796 ever really think that techno music was for me, and 0:41:51.836 --> 0:41:56.396 then I started to discover techno, first of all in Prague, 0:41:56.836 --> 0:42:01.276 and then second of all, like in like queer spaces 0:42:01.316 --> 0:42:04.356 that were more inviting for me, and I found my 0:42:04.396 --> 0:42:07.836 way in I don't know, and maybe it's like being black, 0:42:07.876 --> 0:42:10.756 like sometimes I felt like some music's aren't certain types 0:42:10.796 --> 0:42:13.196 of music aren't for me. I mean I literally did 0:42:13.236 --> 0:42:15.956 an interview earlier and I was speaking about this, and 0:42:15.996 --> 0:42:18.596 maybe sometimes I felt that like I couldn't like listen 0:42:18.636 --> 0:42:22.236 to that because it's like not not like I'm not 0:42:22.276 --> 0:42:25.036 allowed to or like there's not an infamy in the 0:42:25.076 --> 0:42:27.276 scene because like I can't my skinny jeans or something 0:42:27.276 --> 0:42:29.036 because my thighs are too big. I don't know, but like, 0:42:29.076 --> 0:42:30.596 do you know what I'm saying, Like it's just like 0:42:30.636 --> 0:42:34.476 that the preconceived notions of being like a teenager and thinking, 0:42:34.516 --> 0:42:36.356 like I think I have to have like straight hair 0:42:36.396 --> 0:42:39.036 pushed to the side to be when I'm from like 0:42:39.076 --> 0:42:41.916 MySpace era, I have to like be able to do 0:42:42.036 --> 0:42:43.796 that to like listen to like emo music. 0:42:43.836 --> 0:42:45.476 I had a metal band in the MySpace era, so 0:42:45.476 --> 0:42:47.356 I get you exactly. 0:42:47.636 --> 0:42:50.796 So I think, like naively, I thought that techno wasn't 0:42:51.356 --> 0:42:53.396 for me, and then I started to like do my 0:42:53.516 --> 0:42:57.756 research and obviously learn that, you know, dance music like 0:42:57.836 --> 0:43:00.756 has had so many incredible like Black Pioneers and the 0:43:00.756 --> 0:43:04.196 whole like Chicago scene. And I remember like when I 0:43:04.276 --> 0:43:07.116 went to Prague and I had this sort of spiritual 0:43:07.196 --> 0:43:11.276 awakening in this club and then I went back home 0:43:11.316 --> 0:43:14.796 and then I started to yeah research like house music 0:43:14.916 --> 0:43:17.476 and Chicago and all these incredible DJs, and I just 0:43:17.596 --> 0:43:19.196 was like, oh, do I not know about this? I 0:43:19.356 --> 0:43:21.476 just I was like I didn't know, you know, I 0:43:21.476 --> 0:43:24.036 didn't know. And and then I started to dive deeper 0:43:24.076 --> 0:43:26.916 and deeper. And I still even with dance music, like 0:43:26.916 --> 0:43:29.316 on New Sexual, I don't and even on After Girl, 0:43:29.356 --> 0:43:31.836 I feel like I've still not quite like invented this 0:43:31.916 --> 0:43:34.796 music or done this music that I feel in my head. 0:43:34.916 --> 0:43:37.356 So it's really fun to keep on like trying this just. 0:43:37.316 --> 0:43:37.916 Like an iteration. 0:43:38.036 --> 0:43:40.476 This is like the first yeah, yeah exactly. It's like 0:43:40.516 --> 0:43:42.716 it's like now I can keep on playing with dance music. 0:43:43.156 --> 0:43:45.316 And then recently I've been listening to a lot of 0:43:45.396 --> 0:43:47.756 acid house, which which is. 0:43:47.716 --> 0:43:49.916 Like how does that relate to, like, how's it different 0:43:49.956 --> 0:43:51.116 from the regular house. 0:43:52.876 --> 0:43:55.076 I don't know. I'm not very good with like like 0:43:56.196 --> 0:44:00.196 the technicalities of like genres, but to me, like acid house, 0:44:00.636 --> 0:44:02.636 it feels more cunty. That's more of like a stank 0:44:02.756 --> 0:44:05.356 to it. It feels like like walking down a catwalk, 0:44:05.476 --> 0:44:08.516 or it feels like something that's like I don't know. 0:44:08.556 --> 0:44:10.356 I mean, we were last night I was like doing 0:44:10.676 --> 0:44:14.076 like a fitting for a red carpet, and then it 0:44:14.116 --> 0:44:16.356 was like acid house. But then it was like a 0:44:16.436 --> 0:44:19.396 mood glare like fashion show and seeing how like the 0:44:19.436 --> 0:44:22.276 models like walked to it and stuff, and I was 0:44:22.316 --> 0:44:25.716 like I understand that, like physically, I understand that language. 0:44:25.996 --> 0:44:29.236 And that was very inspiring. But anyway, yeah, back to Prague, 0:44:29.236 --> 0:44:32.556 like I just had this massive epiphany of togetherness on 0:44:32.596 --> 0:44:35.876 a dance floor in a different way. That was very 0:44:35.916 --> 0:44:40.956 singular because going to bashment clubs in the early noughties 0:44:41.876 --> 0:44:45.596 is about what was about like winding, It was about grinding. 0:44:45.676 --> 0:44:49.756 It was about like doing movements that were the same. 0:44:49.876 --> 0:44:52.956 There were like you know, like dance movements that you 0:44:52.996 --> 0:44:55.956 would do like together, and you would like learn the 0:44:56.076 --> 0:44:57.876 dance movements and then you would get together on the 0:44:57.956 --> 0:45:02.396 dance floor and communally do them, like the candy dance, 0:45:02.636 --> 0:45:05.916 but in a different genre. You would do this part 0:45:06.156 --> 0:45:08.716 of that dance to this music techno is different because 0:45:08.756 --> 0:45:12.556 you're b yourself and it's actually maybe like unorthodox to 0:45:12.716 --> 0:45:14.556 like try and invite people. 0:45:14.676 --> 0:45:16.996 You don't dance with other people, No, you. 0:45:16.876 --> 0:45:21.236 Do, but it's like a very it's psych surfing. There 0:45:21.236 --> 0:45:26.556 are rules in dance clubs like surfing said, Yeah, there's 0:45:26.636 --> 0:45:29.916 rules of waves in surfing, like you don't like the 0:45:29.956 --> 0:45:33.636 way that surfers navigate the waves is very respectful. You 0:45:33.636 --> 0:45:36.036 don't just go and like take that wave. I don't 0:45:36.076 --> 0:45:37.596 just go to a beach I've never been before, Like 0:45:37.636 --> 0:45:38.996 that's a big wave, I'm going to take it. It's 0:45:38.996 --> 0:45:41.116 like there's like an order of things. It's like that 0:45:41.236 --> 0:45:44.636 the more the better surfers might take that wave where 0:45:44.636 --> 0:45:46.516 you've had your turn, and then you give someone else 0:45:46.556 --> 0:45:49.236 a thing, and there's a respect to it. That is 0:45:49.276 --> 0:45:51.956 the way the best dance clubs work, where there's a 0:45:52.076 --> 0:45:55.956 respect to the way you would approach someone on the 0:45:56.036 --> 0:46:00.356 dance floor, or you wouldn't because you see that they're 0:46:00.396 --> 0:46:04.716 in their like flow state or they're like you know, 0:46:04.836 --> 0:46:07.716 like it's called like tunneling, Like you like tunnel to 0:46:07.756 --> 0:46:09.116 the music where you're just like in. 0:46:09.236 --> 0:46:11.916 Your like you just look tunnel that you look like. 0:46:11.836 --> 0:46:15.716 You're yeah, just like you know, because it's primal, you know, 0:46:15.836 --> 0:46:17.876 like to do the same movement over and over again. 0:46:17.916 --> 0:46:20.076 It's very primal, and so sometimes you just have to 0:46:20.116 --> 0:46:22.556 like respect that people are like working out their own 0:46:22.596 --> 0:46:27.956 fucking like thing. But it's also very together. But that's 0:46:27.996 --> 0:46:30.476 what Rumor Fools was about. Like this rumor falls. We 0:46:30.556 --> 0:46:34.276 make something together. It's like if you separate one of 0:46:34.316 --> 0:46:36.796 the dancers in the club, they look crazy because that's 0:46:36.836 --> 0:46:39.156 like moving and it's not about looking good. It's just 0:46:39.236 --> 0:46:42.476 about like moving and feeling something. And it's quite like 0:46:42.556 --> 0:46:46.076 sporadic and it's full of ecstasy and it's very like primal, 0:46:46.156 --> 0:46:49.196 and it's and it's like very practical. You don't wouldn't 0:46:49.196 --> 0:46:50.916 like wear heels to a rage, do you know what 0:46:50.956 --> 0:46:53.636 I mean? It's like you wouldn't wear something uncomfortable. It's 0:46:53.676 --> 0:46:57.676 about being comfortable. It's about like the utilitarian nature of 0:46:57.716 --> 0:47:00.716 what it is to move together, and that's priority. It's 0:47:00.756 --> 0:47:03.716 almost kind of like comfort within your body to the beat, 0:47:05.836 --> 0:47:10.436 whereas yeah, like you just wouldn't like eject someone's moment. 0:47:10.796 --> 0:47:13.316 But at the same time, the whole crowd is moving 0:47:13.356 --> 0:47:16.276 together as one, so it's very beautiful. It's like you're 0:47:16.316 --> 0:47:19.476 like an ameba and you're all cells and together you're 0:47:19.556 --> 0:47:23.436 like a very important community. When I go like raving, 0:47:23.516 --> 0:47:28.916 I think like this right now is quite possibly the 0:47:28.916 --> 0:47:34.316 most important moment in culture. This rave right now, with 0:47:34.556 --> 0:47:37.636 the drop, the way that the fucking DJ just brought 0:47:37.636 --> 0:47:39.676 in those high hats and the way that the crowd 0:47:39.716 --> 0:47:43.076 responded is quite possibly the most important thing that has 0:47:43.156 --> 0:47:46.236 ever happened in history in this room right now. But 0:47:46.276 --> 0:47:51.276 it's just like completely contained. It's like completely contained that 0:47:51.716 --> 0:47:54.356 something will happen, and everyone's just like, that is exactly 0:47:54.356 --> 0:47:56.076 what I wanted to happen in the music. And you 0:47:56.156 --> 0:47:58.996 just see the relief, the physical relief that that fucking 0:47:59.076 --> 0:48:01.596 high hat came in. You're just like, thank god, I've 0:48:01.636 --> 0:48:05.556 been waiting for seven minutes. I've been like listening to 0:48:05.636 --> 0:48:09.396 that four four drum. I have my body, it's been 0:48:09.396 --> 0:48:12.516 a slave to that drum for seven minutes, and now 0:48:12.796 --> 0:48:15.716 a high hat has come in and this surely is heaven, 0:48:16.076 --> 0:48:18.116 Like this is surely the best thing that's ever happened 0:48:18.156 --> 0:48:20.436 in the whole world. But it's just like contained to 0:48:20.476 --> 0:48:23.716 this one room and no one knows about it. And 0:48:23.756 --> 0:48:26.036 the next morning you can't even really explain it. You 0:48:26.116 --> 0:48:28.036 know that I'm. 0:48:27.836 --> 0:48:31.636 Probably ready to go to Friday Night. 0:48:31.716 --> 0:48:42.036 I'm talking about Yeah, anyone else, no, Ben, Yeah, Nick knows, 0:48:43.036 --> 0:48:47.636 everyone knows. Yeah, But this is there are spaces for everybody, 0:48:47.756 --> 0:48:51.476 you know, there's spaces for everybody. And that's what I realized, 0:48:51.476 --> 0:48:52.436 that there's space is for. 0:48:52.436 --> 0:48:55.716 Me, it's fucking wild. But in Prague, of all places, 0:48:55.716 --> 0:48:56.436 this is where. 0:48:56.796 --> 0:49:00.916 Well not really, it's like East Block, I don't know, 0:49:00.956 --> 0:49:03.916 like there's this kind of a pioneer like actually it's 0:49:03.916 --> 0:49:08.796 actually like a very important to dance music and like 0:49:08.876 --> 0:49:11.156 you're its like an incredible dance scene. 0:49:11.636 --> 0:49:13.836 I'm ready to I'm ready to go rave. 0:49:14.196 --> 0:49:17.636 Honestly, it's pretty good. It's very It makes you like 0:49:17.716 --> 0:49:18.396 not really care. 0:49:18.916 --> 0:49:20.716 Can you be sober? Yeah? 0:49:20.516 --> 0:49:22.956 Yeah, oh my god, one hundred percent. I didn't think so, 0:49:23.036 --> 0:49:25.836 but then actually you can really Yeah, yeah you really can. Yeah. 0:49:25.876 --> 0:49:27.876 I can totally go and be completely sober. 0:49:27.996 --> 0:49:31.956 Okay, yeah, I got too many responsibility got there doing ecstasy? 0:49:32.316 --> 0:49:34.476 No no, no, you can push forty out there doing 0:49:34.516 --> 0:49:35.716 ecstasy at a rave. I don't know. 0:49:35.836 --> 0:49:38.076 No, you can totally go and be sober, like it's 0:49:38.556 --> 0:49:39.516 amazing sober. 0:49:40.436 --> 0:49:45.236 I'm gonna I'm gonna dip my toes in, my toes in. Well, 0:49:45.636 --> 0:49:47.476 it was great speaking with you. It was like an 0:49:47.476 --> 0:49:51.276 incredible conversation. I went many places. I feel like I'm 0:49:51.316 --> 0:49:54.316 better for having had it. And I can't wait to 0:49:54.316 --> 0:49:57.596 hear what was the new song called I can't wait 0:49:57.636 --> 0:49:59.956 to hear Bluebird? 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