1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: So what I'm gonna say that I don't want to 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: come across wrong is I don't think you are saved. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: I don't think you're a Christian. Hey, welcome back to 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: the podcast, y'all, second week in a row, our friend, 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: the best guest ever besides Chad and Parker and Bernie Calcot, 6 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. We answer your questions on 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,319 Speaker 1: this show. If you have a question, Grangersmith podcast at 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: gmail dot com, and we answer it. And Bernie's on 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: here because he's really great at empathizing and thinking and 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: giving me a solid answer for things in my life. 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna do our best. Like we're 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: sitting in the cap of a truck answering questions about 13 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: your life. 14 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: Not always right most of the time, honest, And we're 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: prepping for a live recording. 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: So what do y'all think about that doing this live, 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: live podcast taping where you asked the questions in real time. 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: We're on a stage somewhere. Maybe we travel to a 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: few different cities and we answer your questions there. What 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: would y'all think about that? Would you show up? And 21 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: what city should we go to? 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: And would you be as honest in person as you are, 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: because there's some very honest, vulnerable questions that come through. 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah anonymously, Yeah, anonymously. 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: So would you be willing to do it? 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 3: It would be awesome interesting. 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: How would you respond if you asked a question and 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: Granger just looked at you as like, dumper, what are 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: you doing? 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: Let's move on, don't drink, quit it, stop it, okay? 31 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: First question here? 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: The subject line says goals, and it says, hey, Granger, 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: thanks for all you do. I am single and content, 34 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: but obviously would like to find a relationship. I'm wondering 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: as a single person if I find the right person. 36 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: Should that be treated as a goal as in something 37 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: you passively work towards daily, as in like a checklist, 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: like talk to a girl, talk to at least three girls, 39 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: ask for their number, actively spend time on dating site, 40 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: research qualities that will help me be attractive, etc. Or 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: is this just desperate in relation to leaning on God's 42 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: timing and waiting for the right person to show up 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: in my life without seeking them out at all? Thanks 44 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: David twenty or excuse me thirty one Arkansas PS. 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 3: Got a ticket to your Tulsa show? 46 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: Hot ticket Why are you grinning so much as. 47 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: You read that question? Because I feel you. 48 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: I feel like you're looking at me while I'm reading. Oh, 49 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: and David is just I'm grinned because David is just 50 00:02:54,280 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: so honest and he's so sincere, and Dave wants to 51 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: David wants a girl. 52 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: I think it's fair everything he's asking. 53 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, he is fair. 54 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: He wants a girl, and he's sincere about that, and 55 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: he's willing to say, Unlike a lot of people, he's 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: willing to say, what's it gonna take? 57 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm going to take it that David 58 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: is type a kind of like me. So I need 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: I need a list, I need a plan, I need 60 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: like a we need to be actively doing this. I 61 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 2: think my brain tends to maybe work the same way. 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: So I I think it's fair. I mean, I'm gonna 63 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 2: wait to hear what you say the advice to him. 64 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: Okay, sure, I at least David, I feel you, buddy. 65 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: All right, so Bernie, you could follow up. I'll just 66 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: kind of shoot from the hip here. You let me 67 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: let me ask. Let me look at two things. 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: That you ask. 69 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: Basically, you asked, should I treat finding a person as 70 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: a goal that I work on daily like a checklist. 71 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: And then the second question you asked is or should 72 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: I just wait, lean on God's timing and wait for 73 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: the right person to show up without seeking them out. 74 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: Those are two opposite endes of the spectrum here, and 75 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: so I want to kind of point out first of all, 76 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: that you're not really thinking about middle ground here. 77 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: You're asking two opposite questions, and I. 78 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: Think the answer in life always is in the middle 79 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: for everything, and you are you're kind of looking at 80 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: extremes and let me look at the God thing real quick. 81 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: Leaning on God's timing and waiting for the right person 82 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: to show up without seeking them is not biblical in 83 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: the sense that the Bible is always going to give 84 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: us humans a responsibility of something to do. So there's 85 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: always through every command that through through all of God's 86 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: sovereignty meaning his total control, his providence meaning his understanding 87 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: of the future, and in our lives and everything and 88 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: every hair on our head and every day that we 89 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: have left on our life, there's also a sense of 90 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: responsibility that we we have on top of that providence 91 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: to respond, to act, to follow, to stand up, to 92 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: take up your mat and and follow So, so we 93 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: know for a fact that sitting waiting on God and 94 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: not doing anything is wrong. 95 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: The opposite is wrong. 96 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: Too, saying God, I'm gonna take this into my own 97 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: hands and handle all of this. Okay, So where's the middle? 98 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: Where's the middle? How How do we as a mature 99 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: Christian responsibly handle the middle ground? Where we trust, we believe, 100 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: and we also act as a response to our belief. 101 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: We act with our responsibility as a response of the grace. Okay, 102 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: that could be applied to everything in your life, including 103 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: finding a girl. 104 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: So you believe that you. 105 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: Believe, not that there's a girl, or not that you 106 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: will be married or you will have but you believe 107 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: that God has a purpose for your life. And there's 108 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: a there's a good chance that that purpose is is 109 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: going to include a girl. But not it's not, it's 110 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: not exactly true. You just know that He has a 111 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: purpose for you in some way. So you trust that first, 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: and you go, God, I'm gonna lean on you, I'm 113 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: gonna trust you. I'm gonna read your word, I'm gonna study, 114 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna surround myself with wi It's counsel. I'm gonna 115 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: implant myself in a church. I'm gonna become a member. 116 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna become actively involved in the church. I'm gonna 117 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in a small group. I'm gonna be 118 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: with other men. I'm gonna be learning and soaking in 119 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: as they teach me, as I dive into your word. 120 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: And then and then I'm gonna when I'm doing that, 121 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna also be cognizant of my desires around me. 122 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: Like do I see a girl throwing this out? I 123 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: see a girl at the grocery store, and I see 124 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: her there every Monday, and I'm really attracted to her, 125 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: and I'm also really into God's world right now, then 126 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: I would pay attention that God puts desires in her 127 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: heart like that gives us the desires of her heart, 128 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: as in gives us new wants and desires. And so 129 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: we paid and then we act on that. We act 130 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: on the girl in the grocery store, and we say, hey, 131 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: I see you here every Monday in the vegetable aisle. 132 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: I like cantalope too. I thought that was funny. I'm sorry, 133 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm a little awkward, but I live down the street. 134 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: I noticed you walk here. Maybe one day, we can 135 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: grab coffee or something. 136 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: I mean, that's acting on. 137 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: God's providence because of your trust. 138 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna stop and let Bernie go. 139 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: No, I think everything you're saying is right on. I'm 140 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna go out on a limb here. I 141 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: have this analogy or metaphor whatever you want to say, 142 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: but it may be absolutely terrible, but I'm gonna throw 143 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: it out there anyway. So but I know there's people listening, 144 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: like to fish, right, So let's say we go out 145 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: to fish, and we decide to put some peanut butter 146 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: and jelly sandwiches on our hook. We put it out there. Okay, 147 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: we're gonna catch maybe some seaweed, not much, right, but 148 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: then we have some live bait. Put that on there. 149 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: Okay. 150 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: I think what Granger's saying is, if you the dating 151 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: apps and things that you can take into your your 152 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: own control to try to force, this is gonna be 153 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: the peanut butter and jelly sandwich you're putting on your hook. 154 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: You're not gonna catch anything, and if you do catch anything, 155 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: it's not gonna be what you want. But if you 156 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: are just trying your best to be obedient, stay in 157 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: God's word and walk in the path each day he 158 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: has for you. He's gonnaly never say hey, put this 159 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: on your hook. Put it out there, and what you 160 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: catch is gonna be what you want. 161 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, I love David. 162 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: I love your type a personality, and you're gonna have 163 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: to put some live bait on that hook man, because 164 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: you were. I bet your peanut butter sandwich that you're 165 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: casting also has the crust cut off of it, like 166 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: perfectly in the squares. 167 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: Man, And I appreciate the effort. 168 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: That looks cool if it's a brand new hook you 169 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: got at bass pro shops and you hooked it right 170 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: through the middle of that peanut butter in jail, and 171 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: it's probably like crunchy peanut butter, like perfectly measured out 172 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: and everything. The effort is amazing. It's really admirable, but 173 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: it ain't. 174 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: Gonna catch anything. 175 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think one thing you said just about aiming 176 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: for the middle, that's a good word for me, for everybody. 177 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: We tend to kind of see things polarized, but it's 178 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: like most of the time we need to kind of 179 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 2: think about the middle. 180 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So David, maybe aim towards the middle, Buddy, next question, guys, 181 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: let me just say this. I don't know what's coming 182 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: at me. We don't have notes in front of us. 183 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: We don't have like a list of famous quotes from 184 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln or something that we're gonna throw out. You're 185 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: gonna hear these questions as I hear them, subject line 186 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: work life balance. 187 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: Hey, Grandeur. 188 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: First off, like to say thank you for your example. 189 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: I have learned a lot from listening to your podcast 190 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: as well as other forms of media with you and 191 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: your family. Your podcast has really helped show me the 192 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: need for me to be daily reading my Bible in 193 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: order to grow my faith. Through that daily reading, it's 194 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: helped me grow tremendously. My question is this, it's about 195 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: work life balance. As a man of faith, I see 196 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: a need for me to be present in my home 197 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: to nurture my family. But I know it's awesome my 198 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: responsibility to provide for my family. My dad owns his 199 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: own business and always worked a lot to provide for us, 200 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: which I don't take for granted because he missed out 201 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: on a lot while we were growing up. My worry 202 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: is that if I follow in his footsteps, the same 203 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: will be true for me. I trust in God's plan 204 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: and pray for his guidance daily. But I want to 205 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: seek wise counsel as well. With all the things that 206 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: you have going on. Would you have some advice to 207 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: give on this? I look forward to hearing your answer. 208 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: For privacy reasons, I prefer to stay us. A great question, anonymous, 209 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: very very thoughtful question. I appreciate it. 210 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. It sounds like his heart's in 211 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: the right spot. 212 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: You know. 213 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: I was at a was at a conference with Mark 214 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: Dever as he was speaking and people were asking questions 215 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: and he was answering questions recently, and somebody asked a question. 216 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was about, but Mark's answer was, brother, 217 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: if you're even asking that question, you're gonna be just fine. 218 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah that's good. 219 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 3: You know that's good. I said that to this guy. 220 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, brother, if you're even thinking about this, you're gonna 221 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: be fine. You're gonna nurture your family, you're gonna be 222 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: a great dad, and you're gonna. 223 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 3: Provide for them. Yeah. 224 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 225 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: It's the people that don't think through it that get 226 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: into the problem. 227 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no right or wrong answer. It's no secret 228 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 3: sauce to this. 229 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think practically, do we got time for break? 230 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: Sure? Go ahead? 231 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 2: I think practically just I think having some boundaries in 232 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: place ahead of time. If you're thinking about work life balance, 233 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: I think it's really good to be present and Grangeery 234 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: and I have talked about this a lot, just in 235 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: every moment possible, just being as present and here now 236 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: as we possibly can. But what that also means is 237 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: that you have set boundaries in place and provision for 238 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 2: your family that when you are at work you can 239 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: be completely present and doing the best work possible. There's 240 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: going to be so much value in that that you're 241 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: probably going to not have to work, you know, fifty 242 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: sixty hours a week in order to provide for your family. 243 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: I think that's something that we our culture as a 244 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 2: whole kind of like gets away from. We just think, oh, 245 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: I guess you got to work a lot, instead of like, well, 246 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: what if we did really quality, focused work in a 247 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: shorter amount of time and then we got to go 248 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: home and focus completely on our family. Both sides of 249 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: the coin are going to just gain a lot more 250 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: value and nurturing and provision from that. So if you 251 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: can set those boundaries in place now and then when 252 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: once you start to like kind of bump up against them, 253 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: have some accountability in somebody that knows like, hey, yeah, 254 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 2: this is this is what I put in place for 255 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: this reason, and maybe that means that I don't make 256 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: that bonus or I don't get that one projector and 257 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: that's okay. Yeah, like we have to we have to 258 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 2: like have contentment first and then make your your boundaries 259 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 2: around that and then try to stick to them. So 260 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: just some practical I don't know if it's helpful, man. 261 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the struggle what Bernie's saying, and the reason there's 262 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: no secret sauce to this, and it matters more of 263 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: your heart position to it. The reason we're saying that 264 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: is because your idea of providing for your family, or 265 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: your idea of time home with the family is it's 266 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: just not defined. It's just so subjective. For instance, if 267 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: you have a second grade education and you have two 268 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: felonies and you've served prison time and you're raising a 269 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: family post all this, and you get an offer for 270 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: really good money to go out on an oil rig 271 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: in the Gulf of Mexico for six months, you would 272 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: not at that point say, eh, I don't know, I 273 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: kind of like to be around my family. It's like, no, dude, 274 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: you're in a desperate situation. This is a great opportunity 275 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: for you. You need to take this opportunity to get 276 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: this good money, and you're gonna be gone. That's a 277 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: sacrifice you have to make in your situation. And the 278 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: same would be on the opposite, say you're doing really 279 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: well and you're continuing to work too hard and take 280 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: too many opportunities and you're not home enough. That would 281 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: be irresponsible the other way, right, And you could also 282 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: be irresponsible in a way that you're just home too 283 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: much and things are not getting paid for. So it's 284 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: just very nuanced. It's just not a right or wrong answer. 285 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: The heart is the most important. You want to be 286 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: present at work. You want to be president at home. 287 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: You want to make sure that you're raising a household 288 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: that understands that Dad has to work, because you don't 289 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: want to raise a house that thinks Dad's most important 290 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: priority is to not work and to be with me 291 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: and catch the football when I need to throw the football. 292 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: It's bad too, right, Just be careful you're thinking through this. 293 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 3: I love your question. 294 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to be all right. 295 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah's hit another long fought battles to subject line and 296 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: it says I've been married for twelve years. My wife 297 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: came with two kids from a previous marriage. They are 298 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: now seventeen and nineteen. We have two younger kids together, 299 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: three and eight. She has struggled with mental health issues 300 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: for the past six years. It has caused our kids 301 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: to check out of their relationship and will certainly cause 302 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: our younger kids to eventually do the same. Have sought 303 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: godly counsel lower case G and we are now on 304 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:09,479 Speaker 1: our fourth counselor. The counselors are all professionals. Most importantly, 305 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: they are there to help here and helped turn around 306 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: our marriage. She has gone as an individual and then 307 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: we would get together and tie things back together, so 308 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: to speak. Unfortunately, she's not made much of any progress. 309 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: She has ruined all of her relationships with her friends 310 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: as well. This has been sad for me as a 311 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: bystander to watch all this occur. It puts me in 312 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: a negative vibe in our household. I prayed for her 313 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: in everything that I can, but at the end of 314 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: the day, I cannot bridge the gap and make up 315 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: for what she lacks in our relationship or for our kids. 316 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: What are your thoughts? Thanks for reading? Okay, so no. 317 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: Real question other than what are your thoughts? 318 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, just kind of respond to the situation here, married 319 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: twelve years, two kids from the previous marriage that are 320 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: in the upper teens, and then younger kids. Two younger 321 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: kids together. So the problem is looking like with the 322 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: older kids, it's really the question two older kids have 323 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: checked out and to two younger kids might do the same. 324 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: You're doing a lot if you're putting the work in 325 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: with these counselor things. You're on the fourth one, and 326 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: first thing I want to say to you, besides thanks 327 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: for your vulnerability, is the first thing I want to 328 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: say is I get it. 329 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: These older kids have checked out. I get it. 330 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: Mom's got mental health. She remarried and had two more kids. 331 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: And I say this with the most respect to you. 332 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: Mom had two replacement kids. You know, Mom replaced us 333 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: with two kids with the new guy. All respect to you. 334 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: When I say that, I'm just kind of speaking from 335 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old mind what that could look like. 336 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: Mom's a little crazy, She's in counseling all the time. Listen, 337 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: this needs to be said too. When you're seventeen and nineteen, 338 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: you're kind of checked out anyway. Let's not forget that 339 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: part of it. You could be a seventeen year old 340 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: checked out of a great home. So what I think 341 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: we should ask a question for him? 342 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: What do you do? He didn't say that. What do 343 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: you do? 344 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 345 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: If you're this guy in this situation, you're the stepdad 346 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: of two upper teens that have checked out, your wife's 347 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: having mental problems, You've gone through counselors, you've seen all 348 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: of her friends disappear, and you got two younger kids, 349 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: very vulnerable, ages three and eight. 350 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: What do you do? 351 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So a couple things jump out. First thing is 352 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: just a ton of like empathy and heartbreak. Man, I 353 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: hate that you're in this. I hate this for the 354 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: the mom, I hate it for the kids. Man, this 355 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: is just part of our broken world and having to, 356 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: you know, walk through these kind of really difficult, hard situations. 357 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 2: And so, man, I think grizz and I both kind 358 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: of heart breaks for you just having to sit in 359 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: this and recognize, just as humans in this world, what 360 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: we all have to endure, how nuanced it can be. 361 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: But also you know how similar we are. The second 362 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: thing that jumped out was these older kids have been 363 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: through divorce, and being someone that went through divorce, I 364 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: don't know if we recognize the trauma that that can cause. 365 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: I don't know how early in childhood that happened, and 366 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: I mean I guess it's at least eight years ago 367 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: if they have a three to eight year old, right, so, 368 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 2: which is a very you know, formative time for those kids. 369 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: Some math, they've been married for twelve the kids are seventeen, nineteen, 370 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: three and eight, so so yeah, that they got divorced 371 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: when the kids were five and seven. 372 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't just speaking quickly before we you know, 373 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: get to you like, those those older kids probably need 374 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: a lot of love and a lot of attention and 375 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: a lot of grace if they've checked out, like Granger said, yeah, 376 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: I mean most of them do at that age. But 377 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: continuing to walk alongside them, especially as a stepdad, and 378 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 2: just be like and you know, sit in there in 379 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 2: there hurt with them, Like, man, I know that that 380 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 2: must have been hard to have your dad. If you've 381 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: never done that before, maybe you have, But yeah, like 382 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: I said, just being somebody that went through that, I 383 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: think that there is residual effects that they may not 384 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 2: even be aware of quite yet. And so if you 385 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: could just view them with that level of grace and 386 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: be able to maybe step into that, I think that 387 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: that would help. Especially if their mom is mentally not well, 388 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: she's probably not caring for them in that relationship in 389 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 2: a way. 390 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 3: Maybe. 391 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: So when when did your parents get divorced? 392 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 2: When were you Whenever? I was fourteen, but my dad 393 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: had left when I was nine, they separated. 394 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: So did you have a checkout period in your life 395 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 3: for sure? Yeah? 396 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 2: It started at fourteen. Yeah, because my dad. I mean, 397 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 2: it's a little bit different. My dad had left and 398 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: whenever I was nine, and I thought like, okay, this 399 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: is they're separated whatever. But then he came back and 400 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: it was kind of like my parents got back together, 401 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: and I was like there was this hope and then 402 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 2: they satis down to games like I'm leaving this time 403 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: and it's for good, and then it was just like, okay, 404 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: well I'm I'm checking out for sure. So yeah, I 405 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: would say fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, all the way till 406 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 2: the Lord you know, got me at twenty one. 407 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, so the guy, so you anonymous, man, this 408 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: is not a. This is not a crazy, rare situation. 409 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 1: What we're seeing is just the natural result of the 410 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: fall of a broken marriage. And so let's just throw 411 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: out a couple of things that he can do. And 412 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: so I want to you mentioned God a few times, 413 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: you mentioned prayer a few times. I want to make 414 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: sure that you're plugged in to a good local church. 415 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: I love that you're emailing this podcast and you're seeking, 416 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: as you said, you know, counsel from us, but I 417 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: also want to see that not just from a counselor 418 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: from a like a counseling firm, or like an organization 419 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: that does counseling, but I want to see that happen 420 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: within the local church itself, because I believe it or not, 421 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: that's what they're there for, is to walk with their 422 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: congregation through life's difficult problems so that they're not alone. 423 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: They're not gonna always give you an answer, but they're 424 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: gonna walk with you and God. 425 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: As we know that God. 426 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: Walks with us and is with us and is present 427 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: with us, do you know he uses human agency to 428 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: act that out many times. So, so when when your 429 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: congregation or your pastors, or your your your family members 430 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: or whoever is walking with you. That is a godly thing. 431 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: And so that's why a local church when they counsel you, 432 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: unlike some of these counselors from an agency, when your 433 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: local church is counseling through, they're actually walking. They know 434 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: where you came from, and they're they're walking with you 435 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: after it. So even when you stop the counseling, they're 436 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: still walking with you, and you see them and you 437 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 1: you have coffee with them, and you have you have 438 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: meals with them, and so you're not alone. Don't be 439 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: alone in this. Make sure you just keep talking about this. 440 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: And another thing to throw out is find a common 441 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: ground with the seventeen and nineteen year old. We said 442 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: this in the last podcast. Find something you probably won't 443 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: like it, but find something that they love and dig 444 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: into that. If it's NASCAR racing, or if it's video games, 445 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 1: or if it's the NFL, or if it's chess, it 446 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Find something they love and then that you're 447 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: in join them in that, and then start that community 448 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: with them through that, through that commonality of the video game, 449 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: through Fortnite or whatever. 450 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, one thing I'll mention that Granger just said but 451 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: didn't go into was pray, like, just continue to pray 452 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: like I have seen in my life. I know Grangeer 453 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: has seen situations that can look like this. And if 454 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 2: you are just diligent in bringing it before God. Diligent 455 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: not just oh yeah, I'm gonna pray about that letter, No, 456 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 2: but like sit in the stillness with God and beg 457 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: him and plead with him. Petition. I think your heart 458 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: gets changed. I think you start to hear the voice 459 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: of God and how to practically act these things out 460 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: a little clearer. And I think that you can see 461 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: His spirit work in these two older kids, in the 462 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: younger kids, and maybe a change in your wife's mental state. 463 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: If we just pray to a God that hears us 464 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: and wants to draw near and show mercy. So just pray. 465 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: I know it doesn't sound like much, but I do 466 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 2: believe it's like one of the most powerful things that 467 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: we have and that we can do. 468 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: So let me take that thought prayer. 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All right, getting back into this podcast 522 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: and kind of just finishing a thought from the last question, 523 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: and we were talking about there was this situation where, uh, 524 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: there's a there's a stepdad and he's got a couple 525 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: of teenage kids that have checked out, two younger kids together. 526 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: The wife is she's struggling with mental health issues, and 527 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about plugging into the local church we're talking about. 528 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: Bernie was talking about praying and how the power of 529 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: prayer and so there's one more thing out kind of 530 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: on an app to this, and that is Bernie's so right. 531 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: We typically use prayer as like the last thing, like 532 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: I've done everything I can and I've even prayed, instead 533 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: of using that as what the Bible would tell us 534 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: is that is our first. 535 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: Thing we do. I've been studying James in the. 536 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: Bible, the brother of our Lord, the step brother. By 537 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: the way, and he was known I read in a 538 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: commentary he was known as having They called him old 539 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: camel knees because his knees were so worn and leathery, 540 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: because he was always on his knees praying. Wow, isn't 541 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: that crazy? 542 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 3: Like? 543 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: Oh, if I could one day be called old camel knees, Like, Oh, Granger, 544 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: that dude is always. 545 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 3: On his knees. 546 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 1: Man, Like if that if the brother of Jesus was 547 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: prayed so much that his knees were worn out and leathery, 548 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: what did he know? If anyone knew anything about prayer 549 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: on the mortal level, don't you think it would be 550 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: someone that lived and grew up with that man grew 551 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: up with Jesus? What does that say for us? Martin Luther, 552 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna kind of just say this loosely. Martin Luther, 553 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: the Old Reformer said, quoted loosely something like, I am 554 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: so busy, it's gonna take me weeks to pray for 555 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: all this stuff. So what are we missing with this? 556 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: Here's my point. When Bernie brings up prayer and I 557 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: bring up local church, I would like to also combine 558 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: those two things and not forget that those things also 559 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: go together, and when you're talking to people and they 560 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: say how you doing and you say, I'm fine, man, 561 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: how are you And they're like, man, I'm good, cool, busy, cool, 562 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: me too, Okay bye. 563 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 3: That is a normal conversation between two dudes. 564 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: But what I need you to do, when I want 565 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: to encourage you to do, is to say, man, be 566 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: honest with you and struggling. It's been it's been a 567 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: little bit of a season for us. My wife is 568 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: she's been struggling, and I could appreciate your prayers if 569 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: you could pray for me and specifically for our two 570 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: kids or two step kids have kind of checked out. 571 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: They're seventeen and nineteen, and I'm worried about them, and 572 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: I could use your prayers. When I hear that, as 573 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: a Christian, when I hear that, my heart just kind 574 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: of flutters a little bit. It gets it kind of 575 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: enlarges a little bit because I feel like what I 576 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: hear is, hey, Granger, we're recruiting you to the army. 577 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: Would you come with us and fight this battle with us? 578 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: And I love that kind of language because I'm like, yes, 579 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: what are the name what are the names of the kids? 580 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: Give me seventeen nineteen. Sometimes, if I'm thinking about it, 581 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: I'll pull out my phone, give me their name seventeen nineteen, 582 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: and your wife, what's her name. I want to know 583 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: this stuff because then I want to be able to 584 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: go and I want in my prayer life because I 585 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: feel like I'm doing something as a Christian that I'm 586 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: called to do. Praying for others, praying for the well 587 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: being of others. It has nothing to do with me. 588 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: So don't be afraid to tell I'm speaking to all 589 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: Christians right now. Don't be afraid to tell your brothers 590 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: and sisters what's. 591 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 3: Going on in your life. 592 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: There's a difference between self deprecation and depression and just 593 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: bringing people down with negativity. 594 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that. 595 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, brother, I appreciate it if you could 596 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: say a few prayers from my grandpa. He hadn't been 597 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: doing too good and we're worried about grandma. Okay, Okay, 598 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: I'll pray for that tonight. 599 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 600 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 2: I think the depth of community just grows and grows 601 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: when you do that, the depth of relationship. When I'm 602 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: vulnerable enough to say like I did, like maybe earlier, 603 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: you know, for the podcast like, hey, man, struggling with this, 604 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: It's like you're inviting that person into a deeper relationship 605 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,239 Speaker 2: you're sharing with him, like, hey, I trust you. And 606 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: I would say the majority of the time, the response 607 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 2: that you're going to get is let me join you 608 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: in that. Let me let me join you in that. 609 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: There's not going to be any you know, making fun 610 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 2: of you or like, oh we get it together. 611 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 3: You don't. 612 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: It's not going to be I guarantee you it's not 613 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: going to be like that. So you're gonna then be 614 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: able to enjoy just that feeling of community and that 615 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 2: feeling of okay perspective, not in this alone and grange 616 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: your nose. And he is advocating, He is interceding for me. 617 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 2: It's not just me. God, God hears us. So yeah, 618 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 2: I think you're. 619 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 3: Right on man, dude. 620 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: It just opens up And I don't want to go 621 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: too far on this, because we could talk the whole 622 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: podcast just about this, but it goes so far because 623 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: then when I see you next week, I say, how's 624 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: your wife, how's the kids? Okay, you know, and we're 625 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: getting updates. And then it also opens my eyes in 626 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: the community of hey, did you know that that the 627 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: so and so company is hiring nineteen year olds. 628 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 3: Did you know that? 629 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: I just saw it, but I thought about your kids 630 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: because you mentioned they were kind of checked out, and 631 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: then I was praying for him. And then the other 632 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: day it's weird. I saw it we're hiring sign in 633 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: the window, and I thought about your kids. I thought maybe, 634 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: and maybe that's the thing, and then it triggers and 635 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: God works in that way, and then they call and 636 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: then they get a job, and then that's something they 637 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: become passionate. 638 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 3: About and it changes everything. Just from you opening up 639 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 3: your prayer life. 640 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: There's really nothing cooler in this life than feeling like 641 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 2: you are kind of caught up in something bigger than yourself. 642 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times Granger, you know, 643 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: could probably attest to this. How many times I have 644 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: been praying for you and God just lays something on 645 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 2: me and I'm like, hey, Gris, I don't know what 646 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 2: this means, but man, I feel like you know this 647 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 2: is going on, or you tell me something. I was like, oh, man, 648 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 2: and you text me back or you call me or 649 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 2: we talk and you're like, bro, you have no idea. 650 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 2: I was like, I had no idea. 651 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 3: That's true. 652 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: That's that's the coolest thing to be a part of. 653 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: To just feel like, man, there's something bigger working in 654 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 2: us that if we're just sensitive to the spirit and 655 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 2: advocating intercede for people. Sometimes he just gives us these 656 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 2: little you know, you know, easter eggs of like, hey, 657 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: you need to you need to text Johnny and uh 658 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 2: and just ask him specifically about this. And you do 659 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 2: that and he calls you immediately, I need to come 660 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 2: to your office and you sit and you talk to 661 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: him for an hour. That stuff happens. It does happen, 662 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 2: and it's something I wish I was a part of 663 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 2: more often. But I love being a part of it because, 664 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 2: like Granger said, you feel like you're a part of 665 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 2: this fight. You're you're you're locked arms with the spirit, 666 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: and uh, it's just really really cool. 667 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 3: Love it, man, Let's go to the next question here. 668 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: Oh buddy, I think I just saw the time some 669 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: decline says judgment in heaven. Hey, Granger, my name is Tristan. 670 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm twenty five from Kansas. Love the podcast, Love Your Music. 671 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: I learn more and more about God and the Bible 672 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: every day. But I recently had a conversation with a 673 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: relative about heaven. They claim there is no judgment in heaven, 674 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: so when a family member or a friend passes away, 675 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: they won't remember you as there is no positive or 676 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: negative judgment. I know, once you go to heaven you 677 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: are forgiven of your sins. But does that mean people 678 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: only remember the good things? Do they remember anything at all? 679 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: Just some thoughts of mine? Thank you well, Tristan. Let's 680 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: dive into this. Thank you for emailing. I appreciate you, brother, and. 681 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 3: I love that. 682 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: Right at the top of this email you say I'm 683 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 1: learning more and more about God in the Bible every day. 684 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 3: I love that. 685 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 2: Keep saying that, keep. 686 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: Saying that, Yeah, you are going to through this. Through 687 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: through your learning, you're going to run into a lot 688 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: of people that say a lot of things, relatives, TikTok whatever, 689 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: and you're gonna hear a lot of things about God 690 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: in the Bible. It's very important to not take that 691 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: as how you learn from a relative, or from social 692 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: media or from Google. But we learn things from the 693 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,959 Speaker 1: Bible itself. It's very important to not rely not even 694 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: on devotionals. We could use them to supplement, but we 695 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: don't even rely on anything but the Word of God itself. 696 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: And then when you're doing that and you're feasting on that, 697 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: and you're reading that daily, you're going to see things 698 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: in there that answer questions that you didn't even know 699 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: that it was right there in front of you. For instance, 700 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,399 Speaker 1: we can go a couple of different couple of ways 701 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: with your email. I don't I don't think this is 702 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: like a theology question. I don't think that's what this 703 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: is about. So I'm not going to dive into, you know, 704 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: the theology of heaven. I'm not. I'll just kind of 705 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: lightly brush over it. But you'll see things. For instance, 706 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: like you said, I know, once you go to heaven 707 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: you are forgiven of your sins. That's not true. You 708 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: say you know that, but that's not true. Your sins 709 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: are forgiven when you repent and believe in Jesus on earth. 710 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: Your sins can be forgiven today, much less when you 711 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: get to heaven today. Right now, by the time you die, 712 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: it's too late, it is too late to make these 713 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: kind of life changes. Right so, by the time you 714 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: get to heaven, the only the only people that will 715 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 1: be in Heaven are the ones that were forgiven on earth, 716 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: right does that make sense? But that's just that's very 717 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: simple Bible stuff. What's also kind of concerning, And it's 718 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: not really concerning because I know that you're learning and 719 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: you're wanting to grow, but but I want to kind 720 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: of show you here that your questions are these These 721 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: are like very universal type ideas, like everyone dies. Like 722 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: what I'm getting from your email is everyone dies, everyone 723 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: goes to heaven, everyone has no judgment once they're there, 724 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: positive or negative. And then where do we go? What's 725 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: where do we go from that? 726 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? What do we remember? 727 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 3: That's not Bernie help me here? Where do you think 728 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 3: I'm trying not to get too deep? Yeah? 729 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the does he say his. 730 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 3: Age twenty five? 731 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so we have a fully formed close to fully 732 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 2: formed brain that we're talking to here. I think you're 733 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 2: probably getting in some conversations with some people maybe a 734 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 2: little bit older, that are throwing a bunch of stuff 735 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 2: at you, and you don't really know how to defend 736 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 2: your faith and you don't really know what the Bible says. 737 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 2: So I think, like Granger said, like always be just studying, 738 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 2: just like we are studying and learning, because there's a 739 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 2: lot there. I did he have a question at the Bible. 740 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: It's it's basically, once you get to heaven, your sins 741 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: are forgiven, he says, But does that mean you'll only 742 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: remember the good things or do you remember anything at all? 743 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think what Granger and I could say 744 00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 2: here is probably I don't want to say irrelevant. But 745 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 2: you have to go and wrestle with this yourself. If 746 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 2: you're really gonna know, and you're really gonna learn, and 747 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 2: you're really gonna be convicted, I think you need to 748 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 2: go take the word, you need to study it. You 749 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 2: need to get connected with other believers, other non believers, 750 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 2: like be curious to have these conversations and wrestle wrestle 751 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 2: with the question. I think it's great that you're, you know, 752 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 2: emailing into the podcast and kind of getting getting some 753 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 2: feedback and some understanding. But I don't think that this 754 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 2: is a they're wrong, You're right, Here's here's where we 755 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 2: need to change the theology. 756 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 3: That's right. 757 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 2: I think it's a lot broader of a question that 758 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 2: what best thing we can do is say, go find 759 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 2: out for yourself. Dig in and go find out for yourself. Yeah, 760 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 2: there's definitely some things here theologically that just are misunderstandings 761 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 2: or he's been told other things. 762 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, I want you to look up something, Tristan, 763 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 1: And it's not like you could look it up. And 764 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: there's one place I want you to read through in context, 765 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: meaning don't google averse. Please don't do that. Don't ever 766 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: google a verse and look and see if it applies 767 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: to your life. Instead, I want you to read in 768 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: context through the New Testament. Let's say you want to 769 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: start him in Matthew, start start in Matthew. It's going 770 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: to start with the genealogy of Christ or John, it's 771 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: going to start with creation. And I want you to 772 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: read through in context. And my question to you is 773 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: are you going to Heaven? Are you going? 774 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 3: Do you have a ticket? 775 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 1: Basically, that's what I'm asking And that's not for your 776 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: relative to answer. That's not for for a my podcast 777 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: to answer, that's not for Google to answer. That's for 778 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: John or Matthew or Mark or Luke or Romans or 779 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: anything in the New Testament really to answer. For you, 780 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: I want you to find that answer. 781 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 3: Are you going? 782 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: Challenge you? I challenge you that, Tristan, and I challenge 783 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: you not to google it. This is why I say Google, 784 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this this morning. The problem so 785 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: many times, especially today, is that it depends on this 786 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: is what I was thinking. Okay, tell me if I'm wrong. 787 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this this morning my workout. It 788 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 1: depends on what lens we're looking through. So, say we 789 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: have glasses. You could put glasses on, and through that 790 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: lens you see things, and so so many times what 791 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: we want to do is we want to take the 792 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: lens of the world, our lives, our situations, our problems, 793 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,399 Speaker 1: our community, our culture, and we put that those glasses on, 794 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,720 Speaker 1: and then we want to read the Bible through our culture, 795 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: through our own problems, through who we are. We read 796 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: the Bible and we see the Bible through that lens. 797 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 1: But that's not what we're supposed to do. We're supposed 798 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: to put on the lens of the Bible. I was 799 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: thinking about this. The Bible are the lenses you put 800 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: those glasses on, and so when you see the world, 801 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: you're seeing it through the lens of the Bible. So 802 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: then you look at your problems you're suffering, your questions 803 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: about Heaven and judgment, your questions about sins, your questions 804 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,280 Speaker 1: about oh what happens after you die. The questions about 805 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: everything pop culture, but you're always looking at that through 806 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: the lens of the Bible, not the other way around. 807 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 2: That's good, That's really good. 808 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,720 Speaker 3: So be very careful. 809 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 1: That's why I say put the lens of the Bible on, 810 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: put the glasses of the Bible. 811 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,959 Speaker 3: On, and then find out this answer. Are you going 812 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 3: to heaven? Yeah? 813 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,879 Speaker 2: Take Grainger's challenge and then email us back. Yeah, if 814 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 2: you're willing to. I mean, the thing is is like 815 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 2: it's not easy, like getting up early and studying and 816 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 2: taking this seriously. It is a serious matter, so I 817 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 2: think it should be. 818 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,720 Speaker 3: But it's not easy. 819 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 2: But I guarantee you if you take the challenge, I 820 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 2: would love to hear about your journey through it. Yeah, 821 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 2: what you discover about this question, but also just in 822 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 2: your own faith journey. But thanks for writing in. 823 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 3: Yes. Great. 824 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 1: Next question says brothers dead in combat. Hey grangeur My 825 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: brother is a US Air Force para rescue man PJ. 826 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 3: And. 827 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: On June ninth, twenty ten, helicopter Pedro sixty six was 828 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 1: shot down in Afghanistan on the way to rescue injured 829 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 1: soldiers on the battlefield. Two of his teammates died in 830 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: the crash. Their names were Benjamin White and Mike Flores. 831 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: He is still active duty and doesn't say much about combat. 832 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: He assures me everything is fine. A few times I 833 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: have seen him cry and vent about that day. We 834 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,720 Speaker 1: my family try to console him with messages about the Lord, 835 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: et cetera. We were both raised Catholic, but I do 836 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,280 Speaker 1: not think that he is a believer on the scale 837 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: like I am. He would reply with things like why 838 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 1: would God let my friends burn to death in a 839 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: helicopter crash? Is there anything you could offer him to 840 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:21,319 Speaker 1: help understand why such events happen? I imagine you feel the 841 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: same pain as he does with the loss of river. 842 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: Thank you God, bless And is there not a name? 843 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: There's not a name? Call this call it, call it anonymous. 844 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 2: How much time we got on this one? 845 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 1: We got about six minutes, seven minutes, which is not 846 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: enough time for a question like that. 847 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. 848 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 2: I think at the end he's asking like, do you 849 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,839 Speaker 2: have anything for him? But I think, really what we 850 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 2: need to have is something for this guy. Ye brother 851 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 2: is probably not listening. Yeah, I don't know if we 852 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,040 Speaker 2: have anything for him anyway. 853 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I think that's great. I see that 854 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 1: so many times on this podcast. The person emailing might 855 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: need to hear what we need to say more than 856 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,439 Speaker 1: the person they're asking about. And if at least it's 857 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: like the uh the idea on an airplane when you're 858 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: when the oxygen mask drop, put the mask on yourself first, 859 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: then your kids. So if because if you pass out, 860 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: you ain't helping anybody, right, So. 861 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 2: One message to your brother from us is thank you 862 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 2: for your service. Like I can't imagine what he's put 863 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 2: himself through and just losing his brothers that way in combat, 864 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,320 Speaker 2: And yeah, thank you for your service. 865 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 3: Man. 866 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree what I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say something. 867 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 1: I say a lot of things on this podcast, and 868 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: not always they might not always come across as nice, 869 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,360 Speaker 1: but I don't I don't need to be nice, and 870 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: it's like I'm not in the business of being nice. 871 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,760 Speaker 1: I genuinely love you, man, and I feel your heart 872 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: in this email. You took so much time to write 873 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: about your brother because he's hurting and you're listening to 874 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: my podcast and you're just taking a shot like maybe 875 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: there's a chance Grange will read it, and maybe there's 876 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: a chance my brother can get help. So I love 877 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: you for that, man, I love your heart. So what 878 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that I don't want to come across 879 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:26,919 Speaker 1: wrong is I don't think you are saved. I don't 880 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 1: think you're a Christian. And please don't take that the 881 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: wrong way, because I only mean it in a way 882 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: to help spur you and cultivate that ground that you're 883 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: standing on a little bit. 884 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 2: Because I think that's great and I think like you 885 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 2: can definitely, I think you got more to say. But 886 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 2: if you stop listening now, which is fine because you 887 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 2: heard what Granger said and you're like, ah ah, take 888 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 2: that question and go to your brother and you guys, 889 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 2: wrestle through that. He says that, I mean, be a Christian? 890 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:02,759 Speaker 3: What do you think? 891 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 2: And you, guys, like, start down that journey together. One. 892 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,880 Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of probably healing from 893 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 2: trauma in that that you'll get to wrestle through together. 894 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 2: But hopefully there is salvation on the other side of 895 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 2: it that you feel confident in and you actually know. 896 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 1: So sorry, I just had no Yeah, that's great and 897 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,759 Speaker 1: because and the part of the reason I get that 898 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,360 Speaker 1: that feeling is you first of all being a Christian 899 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: is not how you were raised. 900 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,359 Speaker 3: And you said I was raised Catholic. But here's the key. 901 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,879 Speaker 1: But I do not think he is a believer on 902 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: the scale like I am. There is no scale of 903 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: being a believer. A we are all wretched sinners, rebels, undeserving, 904 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:50,280 Speaker 1: saved by grace through faith. That's a Christian, undeserving. God 905 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: have mercy on me, a sinner. That's what the tax 906 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: collector said. And he was the one justified, not the 907 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: Pharisee that said, thank God, I'm not like him, thank 908 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,160 Speaker 1: God he's not on my scale. 909 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder, I wonder what he I'm trying to 910 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 2: think of, like any other way that he could have 911 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 2: said that and meant that other than what you're saying 912 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,399 Speaker 2: right now. I don't know how else other than a 913 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 2: you know, a scale that Catholicism will you know, kind 914 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 2: of lead you towards, which I think you just addressed. 915 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about if we do this live like 916 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 2: some of these follow up questions, what is that going to. 917 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 3: Be like people not like me? 918 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 1: Brother, I don't believe you're a Christian, and I don't 919 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: believe you're on any scale, and I don't believe you're 920 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,400 Speaker 1: going to heaven. 921 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 3: And I would wrestle with that. 922 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,839 Speaker 1: And I say that in a way that I hope 923 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: challenges you to go to the Word and go to 924 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: the cross, go to the foot of the cross, and 925 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: see your suffering savior on that cross, nailed to cross, 926 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 1: with blood coming down in a way that he was 927 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: so deformed he was unrecognizable as a human. And when 928 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,239 Speaker 1: you look at why he did that, because me and you, 929 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,880 Speaker 1: and Bernie and your brother here rebelled against him, and 930 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: all of humanity rebelled against Christ. And the only way 931 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,719 Speaker 1: to reconcile us to him was to go to the 932 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 1: cross and sacrifice as the spotless lamb, the once and 933 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 1: for all final sacrifice for us to trade so that 934 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,239 Speaker 1: he could pay, so that in full he could pay 935 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 1: the price of our wretchedness. And when you see that 936 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: for what it is, and when you see that the 937 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,959 Speaker 1: wrath of God, the wrath of God that is upon 938 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 1: me and you, was satisfied through the Cross, through that sacrifice. 939 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,600 Speaker 1: And when that wrath was satisfied, those that look upon 940 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 1: it and believe and turn away from their lives and 941 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:51,800 Speaker 1: trust in it. 942 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 3: Are saved. 943 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: And I believe through your email that the wrath of 944 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,880 Speaker 1: God is still upon you. As I say, seek him, 945 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,600 Speaker 1: go to him, take on his mercy, see him on 946 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,760 Speaker 1: the cross as that suffering savior. And when that happens 947 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 1: and you believe and you're saved, things will change also 948 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 1: for your brother, because when he sees that happen to you, 949 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: he will see things in a different light. He will 950 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,560 Speaker 1: see death in a different way. Put the oxygen mask 951 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,839 Speaker 1: on you first, and then your brother. 952 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:33,879 Speaker 3: That's what we got. 953 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 2: Love you guys, Amen, See you next time. 954 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 3: See y. 955 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me on the Granger Smith Podcast. I 956 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 1: appreciate all of you. 957 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:41,440 Speaker 3: Guys. 958 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 1: You could help me out by rating this podcast on iTunes. 959 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 1: If you're on YouTube, subscribe to this channel, hit that 960 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,200 Speaker 1: little like button and notification spell so that you never 961 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 1: miss anytime I upload a video. If you have a 962 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,720 Speaker 1: question for me that you would like me to answer, 963 00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 1: email Granger Smith Podcast a Gmail dot com. 964 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:02,040 Speaker 3: Ye ki 965 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:09,120 Speaker 1: H