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Speaker 1: Hey, want to welcome in. I'm Doug Godlig.

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Speaker 2: This is All Ball and with the Chris Crutchfield head

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Speaker 2: coach in Nebraska Omaha upcoming. In the meantime, we do

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Speaker 2: have some actual basketball gan at basketball, but a gigantic

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Speaker 2: trade in basketball to start with. Chris Crutchfield is my

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Speaker 2: signature guest for the next two All Balls. He's the

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Speaker 2: head coach of Nebraska Omaha. It's his alma mater. A

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Speaker 2: really interesting kind of mer curial journey back to a

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Speaker 2: changes at Nebraska Omaha going to Vision one and all

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Speaker 2: the other things upcoming.

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Speaker 1: I think you'll love it.

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Speaker 2: But Damian Loward is now Milwaukee Bucka. We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: With Drew Holliday.

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Speaker 2: What's fascinating to me about this trade is a couple

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Speaker 2: of things. And please excuse the language, but this feels

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Speaker 2: both Lillard and Miami Heat, because the reports are the Heat.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you think of.

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Speaker 2: Their offer or what you thought their offer was with

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Speaker 2: it feels like it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like it just seems like it is.

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Speaker 2: Although I don't want to take what is being reported

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Speaker 2: because again, some of the reporting is from people that

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Speaker 2: rosier tones for whomever gave you the information. So here's

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Speaker 2: what's fascinating to me about the f you to both

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Speaker 2: it looks very vindictive, right, doesn't it. It looks vindictive

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Speaker 2: that Portland would say, hey, oh, if it's not Miami,

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Speaker 2: you want to come back. No, we don't want you back.

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Speaker 2: That's what's been reported. But again, look at it from

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Speaker 2: Portland's perspective. Wait, you force your way out of Portland

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Speaker 2: said you wanted to trade that you don't want to

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Speaker 2: be a part of rebuild, but only for the Miami Heat.

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Speaker 2: And Jimmy Butler can go on social media and say

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Speaker 2: it's tampering, but man, that is not a great look

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Speaker 2: for the Heat. And again, if you're poor and you're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: this was an inside job with the Heat and Damian

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Speaker 2: Lillard's saying he wants to play for a winner, but

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Speaker 2: if it only if it's the Miami Heat, that doesn't

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Speaker 2: that feels very personal or maybe it was a lifestyle decision.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's the part to where I go. I can't say

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent. But here is the one thing that well, first,

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Speaker 2: I actually like that.

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Speaker 1: It's ape. If you're running a basketball team, you have

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Speaker 1: to do what's in the best interest in the basketball team.

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Speaker 2: And I will tell you I think that ultimately they'll

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Speaker 2: And though I don't believe you can win a championship

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Speaker 2: And Phoenix was trying to get rid of that contract

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Speaker 1: He was restricted free agent. I think with in the end.

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Speaker 1: But the big part to this is that the Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: Bucks will absolutely be better because they have Damianlonton. I've

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Speaker 2: They're now the odds on favorite to an NBA championship,

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Speaker 2: and I understand they've been very good even without him

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Speaker 2: and they did so with Giannis, you know, scoring fifty

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Speaker 2: Miami Heat. And none of this is even a question.

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Speaker 2: And this is not necessarily a shot at Damian Lillard,

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Speaker 1: Maybe good defensive player. So you're changing the entire construct

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Speaker 2: Have the Golden State Warriors won two championships with Steph

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about at the defensive end. He's the focal

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Speaker 2: Drew Holliday is as good a ball a handler, probably

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Speaker 2: he's not the shooter scorer of Damian Lillard. So I

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Speaker 2: just they're a completely different team with Damian Lillard as

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Speaker 1: So I do I like what Portland did. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: Spreading that money around to a and get Nurkis, who's

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Speaker 2: what Nurkicch is and then they kind of filled out

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Speaker 2: So I really like it for Phoenix, I understand it

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Speaker 1: But I don't think Milwaukee was that far off.

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Speaker 2: Giannis is healthy, and maybe they let Giannis guard Jimmy

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Speaker 1: And again, one other part about Dame and.

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Speaker 2: that's not what he's used to.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If he's a focal point of what they're doing, then

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Speaker 1: And then he becomes more of just a shooter. He's

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Speaker 2: Being ball dominant and he's used to not having to

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to part one.

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Speaker 2: This is Chris Crushfield, good friend of mine, awesome human being,

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Speaker 2: really really good human being, who, by the way, just

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Speaker 2: ala water the University of Nebraska Omaha.

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Speaker 1: Here's the beginning of his journey.

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Speaker 2: Crutch your first memory of playing basketball is You're how old?

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Speaker 3: And you had to wait till the end to get on.

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Speaker 2: Some idea was my dad would take me to a

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Speaker 1: I was like fourteen, but I would have the fourth game.

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Speaker 2: But that's how my dad would it and then he'd

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Speaker 1: Where'd you go to high school?

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Speaker 3: Small town Hopinsville, Kentucky. Okay, yep?

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Speaker 1: Was it Hopsinsville High School?

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Speaker 1: Who's who's your coach?

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Speaker 3: Daryl Hallmark?

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Speaker 1: What was he like?

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Speaker 3: He was hard? He was hard, We pressed, we ran. Uh.

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Speaker 3: I was a little more controlled half court half court offense.

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Speaker 3: It's hard. It was hard, you know why because it

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, thank thankfully I never went backstage.

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Speaker 1: How good were you guys when you played.

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Speaker 3: Probably five hundred, probably on the back end of my

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Speaker 1: Well position receiver? So what what was what was that?

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Speaker 3: No, I was four six, but I was six three

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Speaker 1: That's that's every that's every football player wants to be

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Speaker 3: Players, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: You go to the student rec center, there's always football

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Speaker 3: She she kind of forced me into a corner. She

439
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 3: told me, we go get married and we're gonna break up.

440
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's it's not not dis similar to

441
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 2: recruiting tactic, right.

442
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: Right, We got we got other dude. We got other

443
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: dudes that want to take the scholarship.

444
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 3: Now you had to commit.

445
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: You had to commit, or we got to move on

446
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: down the road.

447
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened.

448
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: That's that's what happened with me and Notre Dame. I was.

449
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: I was like on the fence and like, look, Jeff

450
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: Billett is that Christian Brothers.

451
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 2: Academy in New Jersey. It's a Catholic school. He's a

452
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: Catholic kid. He wants the scholarship. So you got three

453
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: weeks otherwise he's going to visit. He's gonna take it.

454
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: And we got to like week two and a half.

455
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll take it. I'll take it. So

456
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: I I understand, I understand your wife's tactic.

457
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: And it clearly worked.

458
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, worked for both of us, didn't it? Yes?

459
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: So okay, So what was the experience like of being

460
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: a GA because you had just got done playing?

461
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 3: Right? Did you?

462
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: Did you? Would you hop in practice with coach usual

463
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: on the on the scout team?

464
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 3: Nope? Nope, we had enough guy, And what I would do?

465
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 3: We did all the scouting ports back then, we had

466
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 3: to write them all up. You know, it wasn't it

467
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 3: wasn't no diagrams on the computer. So you wrote up

468
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: all the scouting ports and you have to do the

469
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 3: VHS clips the play and Paul's play. Paul's play. That's

470
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: how you made the clips back then with the old

471
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: JVC VHS machines. You remember that, And uh, it's a

472
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: lot of time watching film. But I really learned a

473
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: lot about the game that I thought I knew until

474
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 3: I started clipping clips out and putting together edit take

475
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: for the team, and you started seeing the game for

476
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 3: what it was really really worth as you did that.

477
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: So and that gave me the passion that really really

478
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 3: wanted to coach.

479
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: What was the decision?

480
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: Like Lee? It was easy. I don't know if you

481
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: remember Tim Carter. Tim Carter was was here, Uh four years.

482
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: He got the the UTSA job, right.

483
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: Yes he did. And the next year he brought me

484
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: to UTSA with him.

485
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 1: But then you were but you were on staff though

486
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: you weren't. You were in a GA. No.

487
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 3: I was on staff as an assistant coach back then

488
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: it was the restricted earning position. You did everything. You

489
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 3: just couldn't go on the road recruiting. And uh, I

490
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: was there for a year with him. Then I left

491
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 3: with Kyle Keller to go to Tyler Junior College to

492
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: his assistant because I needed recruiting experience. And I was

493
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: with Kyle for two years. Kyle goes up on the state,

494
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: I get the head coaching job at Tyler. This is

495
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 3: ninety nine and uh then then I'm there for two

496
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 3: years as the head coach.

497
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: Okay, so now what was the biggest adjustment you had

498
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 2: youth or what was the what was most I don't

499
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: know the interesting takeaway when you go from UNO Division

500
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: two level two U T s A.

501
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: What was what was that adjustment?

502
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: Like I think basketball was the same, Doug. It was

503
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 3: just you. You was dealing with a different caliber athlete.

504
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 3: You know, the guys was I mean, the whole team

505
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 3: was athletic. Guys was bigger. They all came from different places.

506
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: We had a bunch of guys from Chicago, and our

507
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: teams gots from from Birmingham, Alabama. They were small over

508
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 3: the country in San Antonio. So you got a chance

509
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: chance to really really see better athletes, better players.

510
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: What was it like to be on staff?

511
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 2: But what it was obviously different, you know from being

512
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: a GA when you're cutting up tape when you restrict

513
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: your earrings, how'd your rule check?

514
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: It was? It was fun because I was on the road.

515
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: We still did scout reports. Was I was in charge

516
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 3: of all their own campus recruiting, so when all the

517
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 3: kids brought them on campus, I was in charge of

518
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: the dinners, the visits, the campus tours, and all that

519
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, which gave me some hands on experience.

520
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: And I worked with Kyle Keller. He was one of

521
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: the assistants, Jeremy Cox. What's the other assistant coach? And

522
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 3: it was myself and and didn't coach Carter.

523
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: So so you go to Tyler. So now you've been

524
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: in junior college. But Texas junior college different than Minnesota

525
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 2: junior college. Yep, what's that experience like?

526
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: Oh, there's two different levels of basketball. I mean, Minnesota

527
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: was a bunch of form kids playing playing community college basketball.

528
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: At Tyler, it was it was the best of the

529
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: best that couldn't go to Vision One. All the guys

530
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 3: that that didn't go D One, that was don qualifiers,

531
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 3: they all came to the best junior college and Tyler

532
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: was one of them. I mean, you talk about that league,

533
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: it was Tyler, Trendy Valley Kilgore Parish, who's won national

534
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: championships Like it was. It was the best of the best.

535
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: I here talking about guys like Sean Kemp that came

536
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: through Trendy Valley, Robert Pack that came through Tyler, all

537
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: these guys that pla in the NBA, Sam Caselle that

538
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 3: played at Saint Jack. I mean, it was just so

539
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: many guys that came through Larry.

540
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: Larry Johnson was Larry Johnson was was yeah, yeah, well

541
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: now what was keep an eye on the kids?

542
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: The guys like right? Oh oh.

543
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: I stayed in the dorms every night till about nine thirty.

544
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: I would leave my office, I go hang out in

545
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: the courtyard in the dorms. When they come back from

546
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: eating dinner, I'm right there with them and we're just

547
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: shooting the ship, watching TV. And I'll leave at nine

548
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 3: thirty to go home.

549
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure your wife like that.

550
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: Like I didn't do it every night, but three out

551
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: of four nights I was up there with him.

552
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: I mean, when things go wrong, what did what did

553
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: you guys do that? How was your what was your

554
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: what was the way when Kyle handle it?

555
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: It was a lot of early morning runs. What made suspensions.

556
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: We didn't. We didn't suspend many guys if I can't remember,

557
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: but but it was a lot of running. I knew

558
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: a lot of running, and a lot of a lot

559
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: of stadium stairs, a lot of stairs being ran.

560
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite guy from Tyler who you felt like

561
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: the whole thing changed his life? Like he ended up?

562
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: He was one guy coming in and then you know,

563
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: now look at him now, he's.

564
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: A great question. Probably Demetrius Kilgore.

565
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: Tell me about him.

566
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: He's from West Lafayette, Indiana, non qualifying of high school.

567
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: Six ' five guard, it was about six eleven wingspan,

568
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: could really play and really shoot it. Big time athlete.

569
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: So end up going back to Purdue, going to Purdue,

570
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: played for coach Katie for two years, ended up getting

571
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: his degree. And now he lives in Dallas and he's

572
00:29:54,120 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: the the CEO of a charter school and he has

573
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: his own school and he's doing a really, really good job.

574
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: And he's one of those guys that you know, had

575
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: it been a different junior college than Tyler, I don't

576
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: know if he had survived.

577
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: It, why what what what were you guys? What'd you

578
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: guys specifically do that allowed him to be successful.

579
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: Well, I think Cayle cal his whole culture was about

580
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: the players. It was about making sure sure they got

581
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: their AA degree to move on. And he was big

582
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: on pushing academics. He was big on being holistic as

583
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: a as a player and a person and as a student.

584
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: And I think guys like that. I think guys they

585
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: get there, they don't know, they have no idea what's

586
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: really all about until you getting doctrinated into that culture

587
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: and realize that, you know, I could be more. I

588
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: mean he didn't. He didn't think he was a high

589
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 3: major player even when he got there. But we knew, like,

590
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: this kid is really talented, and it worked out for him.

591
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: But it's so many stories like that, Doug, especially in

592
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: the junior college ranks. I mean, brang up Emanuel McElroy

593
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: who grew up in Port Arthur, Texas. That was poor.

594
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: The kid came to college with a garbage bag of

595
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: stuff that was his stuff and he ended up playing

596
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: for Bobby Huggings at Cincinnati and played overseas for fifteen years.

597
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: Some mark garbage bags. No no, no, nor no, my.

598
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: Rong garbage bags. But it's a shocking thing. You've seen this.

599
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: I drive down to pick him up for school. Right,

600
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: and that's back in the old big suburbans. Right. We

601
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: drive down to pick him up. He comes out of

602
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: the house with two black garbage bags and Kyle looks

603
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: at me and says, that's just all this stuff and uh.

604
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: He gets in the car and we drive back to

605
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: Tyler and the rest is history.

606
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: What do you remember about the day your name head coach?

607
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: Oh? It was word how it happened? Because you're like

608
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: this thory because you're connected with some of these people. Hey,

609
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: Kyle leaves right and takes the job at you mean

610
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: at Tyler. Yeah, at Tyler. Cayle leaves takes the job

611
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: at Oklahoma, stay with coach Sutton. Right, Sure, Scott Sutton

612
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: gets the or Robbers job at the same time. So

613
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: Scott has wanted me to come up be as assistant. Right.

614
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: So I go up interview for the job. I tell

615
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: Scott give me a couple of days because I'm trying

616
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: to figure out I can get the head coaching job

617
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: at Tyler. Right, So I wait around way around the ad.

618
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: Don't ever say anything to me if I'm getting the job.

619
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: Just be patient, Crutch, be patient, be patient, I said,

620
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: I gotta tell coach Sutton something here pretty soon. Now

621
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna lose this opportunity. Now I'm not gonna have

622
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: a job at all. Right, So the next day the

623
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: president call said can you come over and talk to me.

624
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: I went over to see the president at Tyler Junior College.

625
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: Bill Crow was his name, and we talked for fifteen

626
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: minutes and he comes. His last question was do you

627
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: want to be our head coach? I said yes. He said, well,

628
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: he looked at his watch. He said, can you go

629
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: home and put on a suit and be back up

630
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: here in two hours? We got a press conference. That's

631
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: how it happened, just like that.

632
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: What'd your wife say?

633
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: She was happy when she worked on campus in the

634
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: Career Career Assessment building, and I went over and told her.

635
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: On my way back to my office, I stopped and

636
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: told her what had just happened, jumped in the car,

637
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: went home, got dress, came back and did the press conference.

638
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: What's that like to now you're calling the shots first

639
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: time in your career, first time in your life. Now

640
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: you're putting together not just a roster, but I actually

641
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: coaching kind of every game. What's that experience like?

642
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: It was fun. It was fun because you know, at

643
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: that time, I hadn't had that much experience Doug right,

644
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: and my experience was watching Tim Carter, you know, watching

645
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: Kyle Keller and h and being around you know, Coach

646
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 3: Sutton as much as I was around Coach Sutton and

647
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: just watching him working those camps and that kind of stuff.

648
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: So I had That's the only experience I had as

649
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: a head coach. So I mean, I didn't know what

650
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 3: I was doing. I just kind of copied some of

651
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: the things that Kyle did, added my own flavor to it,

652
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 3: and we end up winning twenty one games that first

653
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 3: year in junior college.

654
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 2: One of the remarkable things about you as a friend

655
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: but as kind of an outsider is like, you know

656
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Speaker 2: how guys get when they had some success, You win

657
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: twenty one games their first year, and they get, well

658
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Speaker 2: we used to call it the Natesmith complex.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, well they think they think they invented the game.

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Speaker 2: But You've always had this a way about you where there's.

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Speaker 1: A lack of e go.

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Speaker 2: What was that like, like you'd never done this before.

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Speaker 2: Now you win twenty one games. How were you able

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Speaker 2: to keep your ego in check?

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00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: Because I didn't know. I was so naive and what

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Speaker 3: twenty one games meant back then, I really didn't know.

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Speaker 3: Like twenty one games, Okay, he won most of your games, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Then we got to beat second round of our tournament

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Speaker 3: by Sam Jack, who ended up winning the national championship

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Speaker 3: that year, and go to Hutch like the ultimate goal

671
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 3: was to get the Hutch to the national tournament. Right.

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Speaker 3: We didn't make it, So in my mind, it wasn't

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Speaker 3: a successful year. Right, But for your first year as

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Speaker 3: a head coach, I now know you won twenty one games.

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00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: That's a pretty good deal, right. But the next year

676
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Speaker 3: I came back, I think we won seventeen.

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Speaker 1: What what was the decision like to go to New Mexico State?

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Speaker 3: It was easy. It was easy. I just had my

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00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: second kid and we needed the financial boost and worked

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Speaker 3: for a Hall of Famer coach like Lou Henson who

681
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: had so.

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Speaker 1: Like what so, so what were you making at Tyler?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Probably forty five?

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Speaker 2: And then and then your wife worked there too, So

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00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: then when you when when you get to New Mexico

686
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: State job, were you able to get that as far

687
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: as the package or she because she had her second one,

688
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 2: she was gonna work.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, she she ended up working. She ended

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Speaker 3: up working. So she got a job at the school

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Speaker 3: at the school district in Las Cruises, And Uh, I

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00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: was there working.

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Speaker 1: For lou What's what was coachession?

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00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: Like unbelieved, unbelievable, great basketball mine. Uh could walk into

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Speaker 3: any room and win it over in the first ten minutes. Man,

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Speaker 3: he was the first guy that I saw that was

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Speaker 3: as was a coach and a politician. I mean, he

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00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 3: just had that knack for being able to go and

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00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: talk to people, win people over. He was so likable

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Speaker 3: and I learned the business of coaching right there under him. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Just the way he maneuvered and the way he did things.

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00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: Well did he did he? Did he tell you these things?

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Speaker 2: Or you just like what did he call you in

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Speaker 2: and you talk about it you talk about on the

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00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: road or is it just something things that you had

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Speaker 2: to pick up on.

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Speaker 3: You just had to pick up on. You just had

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Speaker 3: to be aware of everything that was happening. And at

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Speaker 3: that time, now I was I was young. Mean, I

710
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 3: was not even thirty years old, and I was just

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00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: trying to like, Wow, if I really want to do this,

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Speaker 3: I got to learn how to do this like guys

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00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 3: like him. I got to watch this guy really close,

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00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 3: and myself and coach Stubblefield Tony was on the same

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00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: staff together and we just we just watched and observed

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00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 3: and took notes and you'd be surprised what you learned

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Speaker 3: in four years being around a guy like that.

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Speaker 1: No question, no question. And then you left he retired, Yep, yep?

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Speaker 1: Did he did? He give you the heads up like,

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Speaker 1: how did that?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, going into that that last year, he

722
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Speaker 3: got sick, he got really sick and was in a wheelchair.

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Speaker 3: You know, he decided he was coaching from a megaphone

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Speaker 3: in the wheelchair for the last part of the season.

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Speaker 3: And at the end of the year where a new

726
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: a d come in and it was time. It was

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00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: just time and we we all knew. And uh they

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Speaker 3: brought in Reggie Theis that year, and Uh, I was

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Speaker 3: lucky enough to get on at at UH at TCU

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Speaker 3: with Neil Doherty uh and and Tony. Tony Stubblefield was

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Speaker 3: one of my best friends. He ended up staying with

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Speaker 3: with Reggie for that next year. But it was a

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Speaker 3: good time as one of my one of my best jobs.

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Speaker 3: I tell people this outside of Oklahoma. Last cruises was

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Speaker 3: one of my one of my best jobs. Why is

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Speaker 3: that just at the time, you know, we had two

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Speaker 3: young boys and the weather was great. It was a

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Speaker 3: great time. It was wasn't a high pressure job at all,

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00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: and we had a lot of friends that was on

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Speaker 3: the football staff that was had tied to Nebraska, so

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Speaker 3: we just had a chance to hang out with a

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Speaker 3: lot of people that we had knew already and working

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Speaker 3: for Lou was the best.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's it for part one of Chris Crutchfield

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Speaker 2: doing In a part two, why did he decide to

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Speaker 2: leave Oklahoma and go to Arkansas? And then from Arkansas

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Speaker 2: he took a Division two job? And then why leave

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Speaker 2: a Division two head coaching job to get back into

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Speaker 2: Division one? And how did he become the head coach

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Speaker 2: in his own money? All that's upcoming. Thanks so much

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Speaker 2: for listening. Remember to download, subscribe, review, and rate. I'm

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Speaker 2: Doug Gottlieb. This is Oval