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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show kicks off right now. Thanks for being here

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Speaker 1: with us as we speak to you, some very interesting

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Speaker 1: exchanges going on upon Capitol Hill. R FK Junior, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's nominee to b Secretary of Health and Human Services,

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Speaker 1: a massive entity with enormous funding and a very big mission,

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Speaker 1: a very big mandate. Donald Trump nominee RFK Junior getting

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Speaker 1: pretty favorable treatment from Republicans and Democrats are really going

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Speaker 1: after him. We will dive into that momentarily because I

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Speaker 1: think that's a big, a big deal. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: that comes together there, everything from how COVID was handled,

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Speaker 1: to vaccines, to Medicare and Medicaid, and the state of

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Speaker 1: America's health which is on the whole poor, and it's

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Speaker 1: certainly worth trying to figure out why that is. So

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Speaker 1: we will dive into all of this, my friends. This

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Speaker 1: is absolutely top of the agenda. We also have a

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Speaker 1: very interesting proposal put forward by the Trump White House

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Speaker 1: offering federal employees a buyout essentially extended severance of almost

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Speaker 1: eight months if they are willing to just walk away,

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Speaker 1: essentially telling the federal workforce Look, if you're not really

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Speaker 1: doing anything, don't make us come find you and fire you.

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Speaker 1: Better for you to just take the eight months and

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Speaker 1: go do something else. And everybody's happy, especially the taxpayer

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Speaker 1: who's no longer carrying this weight of the expense of

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Speaker 1: these people that are not really doing anything. But Clay,

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Speaker 1: I think we should jump right into with the RFK

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Speaker 1: junior hearing. We haven't seen what they've said to Tulca yet.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen what they have done with Spattel that's

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Speaker 1: coming up. I had thought this would be the most

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Speaker 1: contentious of the nominations that would happen this week. It

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Speaker 1: started out, we don't have to play this a bunch

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Speaker 1: of protesters yelling protesters that do this stuff for idiots.

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Speaker 1: But here, let's just start play with it. This is

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Speaker 1: cut ten. This is kind of the baseline for what's

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Speaker 1: going on here. RFK juniors coming in with a mandate

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Speaker 1: to address the state of America's health play cut ten

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Speaker 1: and will dive in the.

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Speaker 2: United States has worse health than any other developed nation. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we spend more on healthcare, at least double and in

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Speaker 2: some cases triple as other countries. Last year, we spent

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Speaker 2: four point eight trillion, not counting the indirect cause of

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Speaker 2: missed work. That's almost a fifth.

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Speaker 1: A fifth of.

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Speaker 2: GDP is tan amount to a twenty percent tax on

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Speaker 2: the hire economy. No wonder America has trouble competing with

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Speaker 2: countries that pay a third of what we do for

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Speaker 2: health and have better outcomes and a healthier workforce. And

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Speaker 2: I don't want to make this too much about money.

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Speaker 2: It's the human trategy that moves us to care.

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Speaker 1: Clay, there is something. There are a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that need to be addressed that are malfunctioning with our health,

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Speaker 1: not just our healthcare system, as in a lot of

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Speaker 1: money going to a lot of places and a little

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Speaker 1: card that says at some point maybe you'll get to

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Speaker 1: see a doctor. But the way that we address and

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Speaker 1: approach health as a country is something that needs an overhaul.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting to see how many Democrats are all

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Speaker 1: for the greater good approach to American health. I don't

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Speaker 1: even think it's just that buck, it's that until about

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Speaker 1: six months ago, RFK Junior was one of the most

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Speaker 1: prominent Democrats from the most prominent Democrat fan maybe other

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Speaker 1: than the Clintons and the Obamas, and it is indicative

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Speaker 1: of a reflexive anti Trump disposition where even when you

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Speaker 1: pick someone like RFK Junior, who has been a lifelong

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Speaker 1: Republican voters believe. In other words, this is a guy

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Speaker 1: with a wildly divergent background relative to most Republican Cabinet

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Speaker 1: think it's just for many people out there, a reflection

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Speaker 1: of the existing tribalism that RFK Junior is unable to

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Speaker 1: get any kind of Democrats support at all, despite the

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Speaker 1: fact is he's seventy four. For seventy three and a

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Speaker 1: for him prior to endorsing Trump, what was it buck

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Speaker 1: He said that Joe Biden wasn't mentally or physically capable

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Speaker 1: the Democrat primary race to such an extent that he

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Speaker 1: decided to run as an independent before endorsing Trump. My

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Speaker 1: point on all this is, this should be a guy

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Speaker 3: I mean, this shouldn't even be remotely a difficult confirmation process.

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Speaker 3: He should be a guy who is an overwhelming majority

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Speaker 3: pick most Republicans. I understand some Republicans who would actually

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Speaker 3: vote against RFK Junior because he has been, as you

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Speaker 3: pointed out, not on the side of many Republicans for.

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Speaker 1: A long time. I mean, yeah, we should. We should

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Speaker 1: be very straightforward about this. In the past, RFK Junior

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Speaker 1: has said really dumb and really bad things, many of them,

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Speaker 1: too many of them for me to recount. For all

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Speaker 1: of you and anyone who doubts me, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the NRA is a terrorist organization? Because

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Speaker 1: he did. He did. He has repudiated these comments. He

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Speaker 1: has said he does not believe this anymore. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: at different points was to the left of where he

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Speaker 1: was now many years ago. So I think we're in

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Speaker 1: an era now where if people believe that somebody's views

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Speaker 1: to run away from that. Not only was RFKA Junior

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Speaker 1: a Democrat, RFK Junior was somebody who took some very

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Speaker 1: radical left positions, including if you're not on board for

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Speaker 1: climate change, you're a trader. I don't think anybody who

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Speaker 1: believes in climate change as an existential threat is all

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Speaker 1: that smart. But RFK Junior figured that out. So I'll

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Speaker 1: give him a pass on that. There are some things

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Speaker 1: he has been and some of you might get annoyed

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Speaker 1: at hearing this. This is just fact right. Some things

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Speaker 1: he's been very wrong on when he was a Democrat Clay,

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Speaker 1: but he has had a red pill moment perhaps, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how we want to phrase it. He has changed,

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Speaker 1: he wants to do. He has a specific mission set

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Speaker 1: that he wants to accomplish for Donald Trump. Maha we

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Speaker 1: can be a very useful, very useful implementur of Trump

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Speaker 1: policy and vision. He was right about COVID, he was

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Speaker 1: right about Fauci, and he was okay on COVID. He

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Speaker 1: was much better on Fauci. But that's many people out

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Speaker 1: there that is enough. My point on it is, I

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Speaker 1: would understand if thirty five Republicans said, hey, we're on

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Speaker 1: some bad stuff, Clay, I'm not getting know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: just again balls and strikes here, folks. I think RFKH

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Speaker 3: The fact that right now are there any Democrats that

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Speaker 1: Is what I'm kind of hammering on.

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Speaker 3: This should be a bipartisan I think, you know, thirty

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Speaker 3: To me, this should be a bipartisan choice because I

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Speaker 3: don't think that RFK Junior is actually a radical ideologue

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Speaker 3: committed to either party. Well, he's kind of radical on

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Speaker 3: some of the health issues, and he has he has

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Speaker 3: the face to Democrats, right. You know, there's all these

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Speaker 3: different levels that intersect with RFK Junior. There's the Trump component,

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Speaker 3: for him, Democrats against him. That's very straightforward, yes, But there's.

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Speaker 1: Also the longer political separation of this is a very

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Speaker 1: He wants to be Trump's HHS secretary. So the Democrat opposition,

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Speaker 1: But because of the politics of it, they've all flipped

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Speaker 1: will say, at least radical Islam, the penalty for apostasy,

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Speaker 1: But you know, there's all these reasons that pile together,

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Speaker 1: because to your point, well, I mean, he was a

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Speaker 1: access to the Medicare and Medicaid that they've had. But

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Speaker 3: I also think, and this is something that I bet

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Speaker 3: a lot of our listeners are really on top of

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Speaker 3: it's hard to know what really I mean. There are

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Speaker 3: rough outlines like don't eat a ton of sugar, exercise,

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Speaker 3: recognize our generally health related things, But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You you probably know more than I I do, Like

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Speaker 3: I don't know, for instance, what vitamins I should be taking,

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Speaker 3: that would like to have someone that you could really

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Speaker 3: Well, also, Steven Miller, what we're seeing here is Trump

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Speaker 3: has now got an elite cadre of communicators that are

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Speaker 3: actually far better at television communication, which does matter than

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Speaker 3: many people who make a living talking on television. And

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Speaker 3: I think that is significant. Here's the thing, though, why

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Speaker 3: would this be again? I come back to leave a

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Speaker 3: side Trump because there is a reflectively anti Trump reaction

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Speaker 3: among forty five percent of the American public. But let

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Speaker 3: me just have you take a step back. Why is

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Speaker 3: giving federal employees the option to get paid nine months

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Speaker 3: basically eight months, however you want to classify it till

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Speaker 3: September your full salary and be able to leave and

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Speaker 3: take another job if you don't want to show up

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Speaker 3: and work in the office a bad thing?

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Speaker 1: Buck?

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Speaker 3: What percentage of our audience right now, some of them,

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Speaker 3: maybe some of these federal employees that got this email

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Speaker 3: sent to them. How many of you out there right

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Speaker 3: now would gladly leave the job that you have right

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Speaker 3: now if you got eight months of your salary paid

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Speaker 3: and could go on like a six month vacation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not a bad thing. Like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: there's I could think of. I could think of a

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Speaker 1: few jobs that I would have left happily if I

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Speaker 1: could have gotten eight month severance.

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Speaker 3: I love the jobs that we have now. They're the

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Speaker 3: only jobs that I wouldn't have left, probably to get

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Speaker 3: eight months of my job paid. I mean, so, how

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Speaker 3: is this about? And some of you out there are

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Speaker 3: going to say Okay, why does he do that? Because

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Speaker 3: it's almost impossible to fire someone who is a federal

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Speaker 3: employee because of their union protections, so you need them

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Speaker 3: to voluntarily agree to leave. And yes, does this have

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Speaker 3: some short term cost, Yes, you have to continue to

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Speaker 3: pay people who might not be working, but in the

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Speaker 3: long range it saves tens of billions of dollars of

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Speaker 3: our tax payer money.

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Speaker 1: Well, also, the implication here is that you're gonna stop

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Speaker 1: paying them in eight months to do and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: pay them for eight months to do nothing and then

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Speaker 1: you stop, Whereas without this, you're paying them to do

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Speaker 1: nothing for decades, basically for decades.

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Speaker 3: So I mean again, I bet a lot of people

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Speaker 3: out there listening to us right now, especially Buck.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest it.

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Speaker 3: Let's say you're sixty two and you've been in a

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Speaker 3: federal employee for a long time and you're ready to retire.

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Speaker 3: How many of you would like this opportunity? I just

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Speaker 3: I think it's brilliant. I think I hope that it

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Speaker 3: leads to around ten percent of the workforce federal government

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Speaker 3: deciding to take the buyouts, and then in the years ahead,

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Speaker 3: our expensive for federal government employees actually go down. I

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Speaker 3: think I saw that Biden increase the number of federal

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Speaker 3: employees by seven percent during his tenure as President of

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Speaker 3: the United States. I don't remember the last time that

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Speaker 3: we would have had a president who declined to the

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Speaker 3: number of federal employees. I'm talking about in a time

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Speaker 3: of non war, right like after World War II, a

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Speaker 3: lot of people were in the service, they leave. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure that Truman and Eisenhower the number of federal employees

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Speaker 3: probably declined as a result of that. But I'm talking

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Speaker 3: about someone in a time of peace who came in

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Speaker 3: and ten percent of the federal employees left. And again,

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Speaker 3: this is something that actually DC's mayors in favor of

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Speaker 3: because they want everybody back in the office too.

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Speaker 1: It's not the part is the decision. It's a good one. Well,

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Speaker 1: she wants them back for very clear economic reasons for

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Speaker 1: her own city, right, It's not that she's all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden I guess government spending, I get it.

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Speaker 3: But my point is, if you just look at this,

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Speaker 3: is it is it unacceptable if you're a private employee,

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Speaker 3: if you weren't at Ford or you Walmart, and you

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Speaker 3: got an email offering you nine months of pay to

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Speaker 3: decide to leave and take another job. Would you be like,

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Speaker 3: this is an unbelievable outrage. That's what they're trying to say.

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Speaker 1: Well, the mentality, I've said this before to you, Clay,

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Speaker 1: when I was at the CIA, the State Department joke

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Speaker 1: was that presidents come and go, but the department, meaning

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Speaker 1: the State Depress is forever. That is very much the

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Speaker 1: mentality within the civil service that it is a job.

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Speaker 1: It is job, a job for life, and they make

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Speaker 1: it so that there's very little that you have to

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Speaker 1: actually do in order to keep those jobs. It's in fact,

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Speaker 1: I used to say at the CIA, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of things I could talk with this all day. CIA.

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Speaker 1: You know, the eighty twenty rule applies, which is that

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Speaker 1: eighty percent of the work is done by twenty percent

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Speaker 1: of the people. Excellence is suspicious or excellence is suspect,

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Speaker 1: meaning if you try to do more or better, if

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Speaker 1: you try to go beyond what your time in grade allows,

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Speaker 1: you aren't encourage your to to sort of sit down,

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Speaker 1: shut up and wait your turn. This is the culture

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Speaker 1: of these places. And when you look at someone like

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior, he's gonna be if he gets confirmed, which

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Speaker 1: I think we all believe he will. He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: taking over AHHS Health and Human Services. Clay Health in

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Speaker 1: Human Services has over eighty thousand employees. It's crazy.

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Speaker 6: Are they all doing now? Somebody might have an answer

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Speaker 6: for that. Oh, they're administering Medicare and medicaid and all

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Speaker 6: these different Okay, but do we really need eight thousand

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Speaker 6: people doing this? Are they doing it well? Does anybody

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Speaker 6: even know?

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Speaker 1: Could anyone even tell me off the top of their

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Speaker 1: head what the biggest non military employer in the federal

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Speaker 1: government is. I mean, you start to think about this stuff.

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Speaker 1: The Leviathan is so big we can't even see the

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Speaker 1: head in the tail. Remember Elon Musk fired seventy five

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Speaker 1: or eighty percent of Twitter. That's a for profit company, buck,

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Speaker 1: and it actually seems to work just as efficiently, if

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Speaker 1: not better, than it was before. I really do believe

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Speaker 1: if we fired seventy five percent of all federal employees

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Speaker 1: and we doubled the wages of the twenty five percent remaining,

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Speaker 1: which would save us right about half, I don't think

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Speaker 1: we would see any difference at all in the overall

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Speaker 1: effectiveness of the federal government. You know, it's it's remarkable.

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Speaker 1: You see some of the where these people are are employed, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, Agriculture, HHS, Treasure, Treasury, Defense, And then you

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Speaker 1: speak to somebody the VA. The VA is huge. You

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Speaker 1: speak to somebody who, by the way, it's basically socialized medicine,

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Speaker 1: but only for members of the military and the VA.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I've heard and I don't want to

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Speaker 1: get into this right now because our phones will be

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Speaker 1: lit up for three hours.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Some veterans say it's okay sometimes and there's some good

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Speaker 1: care that gotten. Other veterans tell me it's absolutely nightmare. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, like any large system, I think there are

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Speaker 1: people that have differing opinions on it, but overall it

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Speaker 1: needs to be a lot better than it is. Clay,

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Speaker 1: the eyes of this is astonished. The size of all

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Speaker 1: of this is astonishing. And the the other part of

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Speaker 1: it is to have federal employees at these agencies who

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Speaker 1: don't have much to do if they decide they want

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Speaker 1: to do something, you know what, A lot of it

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Speaker 1: is harassing the American people. This is the problem because

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Speaker 1: a lot of these federal agencies have binding regulatory authority

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Speaker 1: which goes you know, beyond the constitutional congressionally pass statutes.

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Speaker 1: It's so it's all of a sudden. If you work

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Speaker 1: at like you know, the the Environmental Protection Agency, or

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Speaker 1: you know, you work at agriculture or something, you can say, well,

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Speaker 1: now we need to come up with something to do,

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Speaker 1: and we have more rules we need to pass.

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Speaker 3: I would also say this, I bet if you told

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Speaker 3: a federal government employee, if you finish every bit of

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Speaker 3: work you need to do this week as rapidly as

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Speaker 3: you can, I bet every single one of them could

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Speaker 3: have Wednesday, Thursday, Friday off and do everything that they

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Speaker 3: actually needed to do as part of their job Monday

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Speaker 3: and Tuesday. Right, Like this idea that they are grinding

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Speaker 3: away in any kind of efficient or effective manner.

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Speaker 1: What how many hours day do you think they're actually

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Speaker 1: working at home? Two? Maybe? Maybe? I mean it's it's

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Speaker 1: just probably some zoom meetings and emails. Zoom meetings and emails.

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Speaker 1: I mean that is sort of the modern bureaucrats, you know,

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Speaker 1: I hate I hate meetings. Actually I hate meetings, do

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. I'm that's one of the big

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Speaker 1: there's one of the reason why I couldn't stay in

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Speaker 1: the CIA. Oh got it, guys, I'm having flashbacks.

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Speaker 6: We need to have a meeting about the meeting that

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the kind of stuff that goes

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Speaker 3: We come back here in sec Buck. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you've watched this video. I've got three boys, so

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Speaker 3: I have seen every comic book movie on the planet,

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Speaker 3: all of them. If you have kids, if you have grandkids,

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Speaker 3: you're probably somewhat like me. I have enjoyed a lot

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Speaker 3: of the Marvel movies. They're a little bit ridiculous. So

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Speaker 3: they have a new Captain America. They replace the old

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Speaker 3: Captain America. I can't keep up with all the Evidently

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Speaker 3: there are three different guys named Chris who all play

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Speaker 3: different superheroes and don't I can't even keep up with

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Speaker 3: all the differences between them. But they have a new

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Speaker 3: Captain America, and they have a new Captain America movie

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Speaker 3: coming out. Guy playing it goes to Italy and is

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Speaker 3: asked whether or not Captain America stands for America or

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Speaker 3: not and says no, Basically, he doesn't like America and

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Speaker 3: he doesn't like American values.

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Speaker 1: This is the actor. I don't think it's going to

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Speaker 1: play very well with the Captain America fans, which you

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Speaker 1: would think he would know. But we'll have to discuss this.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he saw the snow White, the woke snow White,

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Speaker 1: and was like, oh, I could do something even worse

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Speaker 1: than this.

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Speaker 3: I could only imagine the PR team's reaction when Captain

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Speaker 3: America said that he doesn't really think Captain America actually

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Speaker 3: stands for America or that America has good things to

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Speaker 3: stand for. We're gonna have some fun with this, and

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Speaker 3: we come back. Thanks for hanging with us here on

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Speaker 3: Clay and Buff