1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carrol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Two days ago, Meghan Kelly posted this on X Ladies, 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: is possible to make your own money, have your own career, 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: pay for your own swanky New York City apartment, et cetera, 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: and find a man who loves you, wants to have 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: and raise kids with you, and wants to be with 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: you and only you. The only thing stopping you your 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: decision to settle for less end quote. Now, I'm not 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: exactly sure what spurred this commentary. I kind of assume 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: it's that news about Elon Musk's latest child and the 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: image of his latest baby mama in her yes, swanky 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: New York City apartment, but without her baby's father. Now, 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm just speculating that this is the impetus of that, 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: but it sounds about right to me. Megan got such 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: bizarre pushback that I'm not sure people even read her tweet. 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: Responses said they like not wanting to be a boss, babe, 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: is not settling for less. My kids were raised by me, 18 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: not a nanny or daycare. It's okay to find a 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: man who wants to provide for his family. 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: End quote. 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't say that. It wasn't. In fact, if 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: you look at what she wrote, she was saying that 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: you could find someone who will provide for the family 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: and that wants to be with only you. One of 25 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: the responses I did like was by an account I follow. 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: I never know how to pronounce this. It's TXs alt 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: two oh, texas off two oh. She wrote, quote, I'm 28 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: not making Kelly in appearances, brain or talent, but I 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: have been able to achieve a life with similar results 30 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: if you desire to have a successful career and a 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: loving family. Some additional points I'd like to highlight Megan, 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: Kelly's husband is smart, but he does not match her income. 33 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: In order to achieve this result, women need to be 34 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: good with that. Megan married a man who was not 35 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: threatened or masculated by her success. He also doesn't see 36 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: her as a free ride. There's a degree of initiative 37 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: and drive required on his part that prevents him from coasting. 38 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: Family is always the first priority for both parties, not 39 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: the career. She knows her success would not be possible 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: without him and his contributions to the family, and he 41 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: knows her success is his. They are a team, not 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: two individuals that decided to procreate, but one unit with 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: the same goals, drive, and purpose end quote. I really 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: like that because it ties into this thing we hear 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: about often, which is that women can only date or 46 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: marry men more successful than they are. So what would 47 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: it mag and Kelly do, She's already super successful. I 48 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: think we look at it wrong, Like there's a school 49 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: of thought that women go to college and higher numbers 50 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: than men, and they still have to find men to 51 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: marry at at least their same education level. The math, 52 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, as the kids say, is not mathing. I 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: wrote back in twenty fifteen about this that desire to 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: find someone with your same level of education is just 55 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: shorthand for finding someone ambitious. I wrote, it's that what 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: women continue to look for in men as security, and 57 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: a college degree goes a long way toward convincing them. 58 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: He can provide that we've just gotten to a point 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: where it's unacceptable to admit that, so we use the 60 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: college degree code to say the things we won't. We 61 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: want someone with a good job. We will take care 62 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: of us, Yes, even if we're perfectly capable of taking 63 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: care of ourselves. It's not as if women will turn 64 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: down an entrepreneur like Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates just 65 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: because they didn't finish college. Exceptions will be made. The 66 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: sooner society lets go of the college degree as some 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: sort of marker of success, the better the situation for 68 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: women seeking their mates will be. The numbers won't seem 69 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: so jarring, and the sad tales of women unable to 70 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: find their equal with dissipate. This focus on money in 71 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: a partner really leads women astray, and as I've talked 72 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: about on this show many times, success often follows in marriage. 73 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: Stability gives people the freedom to take chances they might 74 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: not otherwise take. It also pushes them to work harder. 75 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: Passing them a guy who isn't where he wants to 76 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: be in his career can be a big mistake. But 77 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the main thing that Megan said that I think is 78 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: going ignored is that you don't have to settle for 79 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: a rich guy who's only somewhat with you while being 80 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: with other people. You can go get rich on your 81 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: own if that's important too, So you don't have to settle, 82 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: or you know, you can seek out somebody who is 83 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: successful but will commit to you our priorities are all 84 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: the way turned around, and telling women they have to 85 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: look for men who are more successful than they are 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: leads to this kind of ruin. People didn't like her 87 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: comment about the swank in New York City apartment, but 88 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: her point is a very good one. If you need 89 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: the swanky apartment and you feel like that you won't 90 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: be fulfilled unless you have it. Don't settle for being 91 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: the fourth baby mama. Go get it on your own 92 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: and wait for the full package. Thanks for listening. Coming 93 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: up my interview with Mark Debowitz. But first, after more 94 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: than a year of war, terror and pain in Israel, 95 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: there is still a great demand for basic humanitarian aid. 96 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has supported and 97 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: continues to support those in the Holy Land still facing 98 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: the lingering horrors of war, and those who are in 99 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: desperate need right now. 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That's eight 109 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: eight eight four eight eight IFCJ eight eight eight four 110 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 1: eight eight four three two five. 111 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 112 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: guest today is Mark Dubowitz, Chief executive of Defense of Democracies. Hi, Mark, 113 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: So nice to have you on. 114 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 3: Hey, Carol, thanks for having me. 115 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: So this is a show about how you got to 116 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: where you are and what you're all about. Did you 117 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 2: always want to defend democracies? 118 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 3: I think I did. I was kind of a strange, 119 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: strange kid. 120 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 4: I was actually born in South Africa, and I remember 121 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: when I think I was eight years old, my teacher 122 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 4: called my mom and said, you know, missus doubois, Mark's 123 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: a lovely, lovely kid, but he's really disruptive in class. 124 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: And she said, oh, I'm sorry to hear that. What's 125 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: he doing? 126 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: And the teachers said, well, Mark won't stop talking. About 127 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 4: how great America is and how America is the greatest 128 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 4: country and has the biggest military and and by the way, 129 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: this was nineteen seventy seven, so these are. 130 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: The Carter years. They weren't good years for America. 131 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: And anyway, so from a disruptive kid in South Africa, 132 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 4: we then ended up moving. 133 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: I thought we were moving to America, but. 134 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 4: It turns out we were moving to the fifty first state, 135 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 4: the state of Canada. And it took me about a 136 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: year or two to discover that we were not living 137 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 4: in America, that were actually living in another country. I 138 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: was very disappointed, gave my parents a really hard time. 139 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: But anyway, grew up in Canada and was always, you know, 140 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 4: very passionate about the United States, about American leadership, and 141 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 4: about defending democracies around the world. 142 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: What was your path to this role? What how did 143 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: you get here? What was your previous job experience before 144 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: defending democracies? 145 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, totally unrelated, strange path I actually so 146 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 4: I cleared Mindograd. 147 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: I did a law degree in MBA. 148 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: I worked in tech and venture capital, and after nine 149 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 4: to eleven, like all of us, I was really struck 150 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: by what had happened. I was at the time living 151 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 4: in Toronto, and I remember turning on the TV on 152 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 4: that fateful morning was actually my birthday and my wife's birthday. 153 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: We had the same birthday, nine to eleven. So I'd 154 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: made a breakfast in bed, I come downstairs, turned on 155 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 4: the TV and it was BBC, and I was watching 156 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 4: What Happened and played Striking the Twin Towers. And of 157 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 4: course I was because I was watching BBC. The BBC 158 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 4: host was blaming America for nine to eleven right now, 159 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 4: already literally minutes into it, I mean, and of course 160 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 4: with BBC nothing's changed. I was so upset that I 161 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 4: I literally threw my shoe at the TV. My wife 162 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 4: walking down the stairs sees me do this and looks 163 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 4: at me and says, you know, Mark, either you've got 164 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 4: to change careers or you've got to get therapy. But 165 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 4: I'm not living with this for the next decade, And 166 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 4: sure enough I did. I came down to Washington. I 167 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: didn't know anybody. I did that sort of Washington thing, 168 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 4: which is kind of have coffee, informational coffees with people. 169 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 4: And I wasn't a US citizen. I didn't have a 170 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 4: green card, I couldn't work in the US government. I 171 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 4: actually tried to join the military, but the military told 172 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 4: me that I needed a green card. So all that 173 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 4: was left was to look at sort of think tanks. 174 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 4: And Cliff May had just opened FDD, the Foundation for 175 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 4: Defense Democracies, and I came in he hired me. I've 176 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 4: been eternally grateful to Cliff and I've been with him 177 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 4: for I guess now twenty one years leading efforts at FDD. 178 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: Wow. 179 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: Men will do anything to avoid therapy. Really well. 180 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 4: The funny thing is, men will also do anything to 181 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 4: avoid me making breakfast or launch for dinner again, because 182 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: since then I told my wife that since I made 183 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 4: her breakfast in bed nine to eleven happened, if I 184 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: ever made her lunch for dinner, right, it would be armageddon. 185 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: So I haven't. 186 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to avoid the cooking altogether. 187 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: Thin. 188 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the last time it was in the kitchen 189 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: was nine to eleven. 190 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: So do you end up becoming an American? 191 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: I did? 192 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I finally got got my green card, got naturalized 193 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 4: in twenty fifteen, just in time for the twenty sixteen election. 194 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 4: And yeah, it was a very emotional moment to go 195 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 4: and to be naturalized. I remember there was I don't 196 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 4: know eighty ninety immigrants were also then being naturalized, and 197 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: I say the Pledge of allegiance and it was really 198 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 4: really emotional days. I'm proud American ever since. 199 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: Do you think Canada and South Africa are worse off 200 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: for losing you or is that just coincidental? 201 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, both countries. It's interesting. 202 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if there's a cause of connection, 203 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 4: but both certainly went south after I left. South Africa 204 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: as a disaster as you know, headed up by a 205 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 4: government with close ties with the ron hamas China and Russia. 206 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: Actually said a piece recent in the Wall Street Journal 207 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 4: on South Africa, I think the first time I've written 208 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 4: on South Africa since I've left many many years ago. 209 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 4: Canada under Justin Trudeau has been also a bit of 210 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 4: a disaster. So hopefully we'll see a change there with 211 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 4: a new Prime minister. But yeah, I don't I don't 212 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 4: think it was my fault for leaving, but unfortunately, I 213 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 4: think a lot of good people also left, certainly left 214 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 4: South Africa and waves went to you know, Canada, the US, Israel, Australia. 215 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: So South Africa lost many of its best and brightest, 216 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 4: and and then many Canadians come down to the US, 217 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 4: you know, to seek fortune and fame. Because we Canadians, 218 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 4: we can easily blend in with Americans. 219 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 3: There's a few tells, but no one knows. It's only 220 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: college sports where you can really tell if a. 221 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 4: Canadian is a Canadian, because we know professional sports, you know, 222 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 4: we know politics, we know American culture. They call the 223 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,479 Speaker 4: forty ninth Parallel the longest one way looking. 224 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 3: Glass in the world. 225 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 4: Canadians look south, Americans rarely look north unless there's a 226 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 4: cold front moving south. But the tell is college sports. 227 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 4: We Canadians don't know much a college tour. 228 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 2: That's interesting. I think that's true for like New Yorkers too. 229 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: I now live in Florida, where I've learned a lot more, 230 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: but I feel like New Yorkers are not not so 231 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: into the college sports. We have a lot of professionals. 232 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 4: Sports to you, that's it, right, Yeah, but if you're 233 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 4: really going to if you know, if if CIA or 234 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: FBI counter intelligence is trying to flash out Canadians, that 235 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 4: would be the question, like, yeah, questions about college football. 236 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, like the l you know, when they test you 237 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: before you get on the plane to Israel, they ask 238 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: you all kinds of like really deep questions that could 239 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: definitely be one of them from the. 240 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: Canadian Absolutely absolutely so. 241 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: Do you think there's any turnaround for South Africa and Canada? 242 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: I mean, and you say you're hopeful about Canada. Is 243 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 2: there a path for South Africa? Do you care about 244 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: these places like I still care about New York. Do 245 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: you still have some warmth for South Africa? 246 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 4: I mean I do in the sense that you know, 247 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 4: I still have family there and friends there, and it's 248 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 4: a beautiful country, and I mean it's really so much 249 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 4: remarkable potential. I think it's just been so badly, you know, mismanaged. 250 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 4: It's that's what happens when you have one party rule 251 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 4: for decades. The a n C is incredibly corrupt and 252 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 4: as I said, has these alliances with bad actors, with 253 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 4: American enemies. 254 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: I have some hope. 255 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 4: I mean, the recent election saw the a n C 256 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 4: get the fewest number of votes that it has since Mandela, 257 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 4: and now in this democracy alliance with some of the oppositions, 258 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 4: So there's there is some potential. But I mean it's 259 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 4: just a classic example of what horrible governments can do. 260 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 4: To a country and it's really despite its beauty, it 261 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 4: has massive problems political, economic, social problems Canada. Yes, I 262 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 4: think they're you know, if the Conservatives win and the 263 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 4: next selection, you know, the Conservative leader there is just tremendous, 264 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 4: great American ally, great defender of Israel and other free nations, 265 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 4: so I think he could turn the place around. But 266 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 4: justin Trudeau has done some real damage there and a 267 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 4: lot of it's an immigration related. He's just let in 268 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 4: you know, a huge number of immigrants, which Canada is 269 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 4: a nation of immigrants and it's wonderful, but a where 270 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 4: a number of the immigrants have come from has created 271 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 4: real problems and a huge surgeon anti Semitism in the country. 272 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 4: And b they led in, you know, millions of new 273 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: immigrants without building the requisite infrastructure in terms of health 274 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 4: and education and housing, and it's massive problems to the country. 275 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: What countries does FDD kind of see as optimistic and 276 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: you know, civil improvements in the next few years, and 277 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: which ones are they most worried about. 278 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: We're not an optimistic bunch, so I'll have to think. 279 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: About the then. 280 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, the pessimism, that's easy. 281 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 4: I mean, we defend the leaguer democracies, right, foundation of 282 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 4: defense democracies. They don't just sort of defend the platonic 283 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 4: concept of democracy, but actual democracy is under threat. And 284 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 4: the three that are obviously we're most concerned about our 285 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 4: our Israel, Taiwan, and Ukraine, and and do a lot 286 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 4: of work in defending those democracies. I would add to that, 287 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 4: you know, certainly democracies in Eastern Europe UH that Putin 288 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 4: is uh as part of his desire to rebuild the 289 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 4: Russian Empire, I think I think is potentially going to 290 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 4: be threatening. Democracies, you know, in the Indo Pacific, particularly Japan, Korea, 291 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 4: Philippines certainly of concern. Middle East doesn't have too many democracies, 292 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 4: but you know, we're certainly concerned about some of the 293 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 4: non democracies that are US allies, and we don't want 294 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 4: to see you know, Egypt or Jordan in particular go down. 295 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 4: Obviously the UAE Saudi Arabia threatened by Iran. But but 296 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 4: I think we're most concerned about Taiwan, Ukraine and in Israel. 297 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 4: But most optimistic. That's a great question, and I say 298 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 4: it's America, here we go. Yeah, I'm always optimistic about America. 299 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 4: I mean, I remember I mentioned that we left South 300 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 4: Africa in seventy seven and in the Carter years, and 301 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 4: I remember talking to my dad, uh, you know, as 302 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 4: a kid and really worried about it's America at the time. 303 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 4: This was sort of post Vietnam Carter energy crisis, you know, 304 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 4: severe depression, was severe recession, stagflation, and then the Islamic Revolution, 305 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 4: and it looked like America really was on its knees 306 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 4: at the time. And my dad, I remember saying to 307 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 4: me as a kid, you know, never count America out. 308 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: You know, never count America out. 309 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 4: I guess is that at Winston Churchill that God takes 310 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 4: care of babies, alcoholics in. 311 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: The United States of America, right, love it? Yeah, I 312 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 3: think that's true. We have incredible. 313 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 4: Resilience here and thank god, two huge oceans, but an 314 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 4: incredible country of creative people, amazing energy. So I am 315 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 4: more optimistic about America than I have been. I hope 316 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 4: the new administration, new Congress and start to reverse some 317 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 4: of the damage that it's been college in recent years. 318 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and be right 319 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. I came to America 320 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy eight from the Soviet Union, and my 321 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: parents tell the story of you know, they always wanted 322 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: to be Americans. They always spent their lives like imagining it. 323 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: And they get here in their thirties and it's carter 324 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 2: and everything is kind of falling apart. There's gas lines, 325 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: as inflation, there's you know, on a smaller level, they come. 326 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: My father arrives in the summer of sam and in 327 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 2: New York City and the riots and the blackout and 328 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: all the stuff, and he's like, WHOA, did I make 329 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 2: a mistake? And then of course Reagan just a few 330 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: years later and turns it all around. And I have 331 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 2: a brother named Ronald, and you know, the whole thing. 332 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: But I have to say that the last few years, 333 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: even though I've always been an American optimist, also I 334 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: saw how fast things to get bad and how fast 335 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: that slide into that terrible time can happen. I also 336 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 2: feel optimistic now, but it's definitely been for the first 337 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: time in my entire life. The last few years I 338 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: felt true pestimism about America. I'm not quite sure that 339 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: we could turn it around. And definitely feel better after 340 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: the beginning of the Trump presidency, I think so. 341 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we don't have wron o' reagan anymore, 342 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 4: and I don't know if there are any wrong o Reagan's 343 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: in our future. But yeah, I think that the damage 344 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 4: was serious and deep and potentially. 345 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 3: Long term. 346 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 4: And you know, I hope President Trump is going to 347 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 4: turn this around. I don't think he has a lot 348 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 4: of time, so I hope he uses that time wisely 349 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 4: and selectively and not vindictively, because I think you can 350 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 4: get massively distracted in Washington by going personal rather than 351 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 4: focusing on serious policy. 352 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree with you. 353 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 4: It's uh, I don't know if it's a you know, 354 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 4: it's a it's a new dawn, but it certainly is 355 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 4: an opportunity to reverse some of the the egregious policies 356 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 4: of Obama. 357 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: And then Biden. 358 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: What do you worry about? 359 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: What do I worry about? Yeah, long list. 360 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 4: I think these days I'm worried mostly at least in 361 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 4: the short term, about Iran's nuclear weapons program, and I 362 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 4: ran a nuclear breakouts. I mean, I think in recent months, 363 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 4: you know, these Raelis have done tremendous damage to Iran's 364 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 4: Axis of quote resistance, which I call the Axis of Misery, 365 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 4: which is their proxy networks. So, you know, remarkable turnaround 366 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 4: by the Israeli defense forces since October seventh, and I 367 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 4: think today the Lam of Republic is vulnerable. Its air 368 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 4: defenses have been destroyed, Zabala has been severely degraded, Hamasis 369 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 4: and eviscerated. So it seems to me possible, I don't 370 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 4: know if likely, but possible that supremely early common Ae 371 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 4: decides this is the time to develop nuclear weapons, to 372 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 4: create a nuclear re turrent. So I think twenty twenty 373 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 4: five can be a bit will be a big year 374 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 4: on the Iran side. 375 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 3: That's short term. Long term, I'm I'm very worried. 376 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 4: About China and the Chinese Communist Party, you know, I 377 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 4: mean that the Iranians are aren't capable of fundamentally transforming 378 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 4: the world in ways that would be. 379 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 3: You know, really dangerous. 380 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 4: The Chinese Communist Party is, and I think that's the 381 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: you know, the generational struggle. 382 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 3: You mentioned you came from the Soviet Union. 383 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 4: You know, I did Soviet studies when I was at 384 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 4: McGill University, and I remember. 385 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 3: What were they pro Well, that's right, I mean, that's 386 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: a great question. 387 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 4: Well they were whatever they were they were wrong, because 388 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 4: I remember that the morning that the berl And wall 389 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: came down, we were all sitting in class and our 390 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 4: professor so Studies, came in and she said, well, everybody 391 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: get up and bring your textbook and throw it into 392 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 4: the scarbage can. And we all said, well, we just 393 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 4: spent a lot of money in our textbook. Well what's 394 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 4: going on now? Of course a lot of your listeners 395 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 4: won't remember these days, but this was pre internet, pre smartphone. 396 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: I mean, we were just sitting in class. We had 397 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 3: no idea what was going on. 398 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 4: And she said, the Berlin walls just came down, and 399 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 4: everything in that textbook was wrong, and much of what 400 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 4: I taught you was wrong. And it was sort of 401 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 4: that moment really stayed with me, both because it was, 402 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 4: you know, the end of this evil empire that I 403 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 4: had grown up with, or grown up not like you under, 404 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 4: but certainly worried about. But now I think there's another 405 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 4: evil empire, and there's an access of resistance and an 406 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 4: access of aggression with IRA in China, Russia and North Korea, 407 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 4: who are in an alliance against democracies, and I think 408 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 4: that's a danger as alliance and we're going to be 409 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 4: struggling against an alliance, certainly in our lifetimes. 410 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: So I have a question. Maybe maybe this answers obvious, 411 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 2: but you know, I always kind of had this idea 412 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 2: that if a country opened up a little bit to 413 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: the west and it had McDonald's and it kind of 414 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: let in some of our ideas, that that country would 415 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 2: automatically move towards freedom and move towards democracy. North Korea 416 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 2: obviously hasn't done that, but Russia and China have. I mean, 417 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: you know, there's still obviously totalitarianism. I still have family 418 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 2: in Russia. I know all about it. But they you know, 419 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 2: they have McDonald's. So why didn't it work? 420 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 4: It doesn't work because I think, you know, there's this 421 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 4: there was this delusion that you can seduce the hard 422 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 4: men of Moscow and Beijing and Tehran by flatting them 423 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 4: with cash, integrating them into the global economy and into. 424 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: Responsible global stakeholders. 425 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 4: Used to be that, you know, that phrase, which and 426 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 4: sort of McDonald's was kind of the personification of the 427 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 4: economy of that. But I think what that misses is 428 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 4: that these are hard men, and they are mostly men, 429 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 4: and they're men with ideas, with ideology in the case 430 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 4: of the Islamic Republic theology. And I think as Americans 431 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 4: we're kind of like the material girl, right, Like we 432 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 4: think that everybody, everybody just wants to have like nice things, 433 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: live a nice life, go. 434 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: On nice though, Like, well it seems like that should 435 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 2: be true. 436 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 3: It should be true. 437 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 4: But you know what we're also we're also men and 438 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 4: women of ideas, right, I mean, the founding ideas of 439 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 4: the of the American Republic are profound, and we all 440 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 4: believe very strongly in them, and certainly a lot of 441 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 4: brave men and women have fought and given their lives 442 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 4: to defend the American Republic and our constitution. Well, you know, 443 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 4: they are also people of ideas, and their ideas are 444 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 4: not materially's life liberty in the procy of happiness is 445 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 4: not what the Mullas and Iran believe is the founding 446 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 4: principle of the Islamic Republic. And neither Vladimir Putin nor 447 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 4: Sijingping right, they have ideas, and their ideas or conquer 448 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 4: regions and conquer the world. And they want not just money, 449 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 4: but they want power, they want influence, and they want 450 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 4: their ideas to dominate the world. 451 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: I think we engage in mirror imaging and believing. 452 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 4: That our values and our ideals and our aspirations or 453 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 4: what they want and what many people want. 454 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: And I think that's that's proven to be a delusion. 455 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: Well, my thinking on it is our ideas are objectively better. 456 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: They lead to better outcomes. Like look at the state, 457 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: you know, the state of our country versus the state 458 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: of their countries. Look at the level of wealth in 459 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: our country for everybody versus the level of wealth there. 460 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 2: How Come they don't have that same I get you. 461 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: It's definitely just bad ideas lead to bad outcomes, and 462 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: you hold on to those bad ideas. But the Berlin 463 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 2: Wall fell, how come we're not seeing that same change 464 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 2: in these places that did kind of open up. And again, 465 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: Iran and North Korea are completely different examples. Am I thinking? 466 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 2: But I would think that Russia and China would lean 467 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 2: in a little bit more to the ideas that are 468 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 2: clearly better. 469 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: Well again, I mean, you know Russia better than I do. 470 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 4: And I think there's always been, well, there's always been 471 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 4: the struggle within the Russian society, within the Russian soul. 472 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 4: Do we lean west? Do we lean east? Are we 473 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 4: European country. Are we an Asian country? And certainly you 474 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 4: know China is a I mean it was an empire. 475 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 4: It's a old historic society. 476 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 3: And they have a completely different view of the world 477 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: and view of themselves. In the word, they call themselves 478 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 3: the Middle Kingdom, right, when they mean the Middle Kingdom, 479 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 3: they mean the middle of the earth. Right. Their map 480 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 3: doesn't look like our map, and their map they are 481 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: the center of the world. And so I think Putin 482 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 3: wants to recreate the Russian empire, Xijian Ping who wants 483 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 3: to re establish the Chinese empire. And they're also motivated 484 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: by grievances, right. 485 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 4: Both both Putin and she believe that they have been 486 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 4: wrongly done by by the West and they want to 487 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 4: rectify that and re establish their power. And it is 488 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 4: about power at the end of the day. It's about power, 489 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 4: and it's about the spread of their ideas. You know, 490 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 4: they may be very wealthy, and they may be happy 491 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 4: to try to create wealth as an instrument of power 492 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 4: and control, but they're not material girls. 493 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: They should be they should do what advice would you 494 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: give your sixteen year old self. 495 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 4: Wow, my sixteen year old self, get married early, have 496 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 4: more kids. I think I would also tell my sixteen 497 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 4: year old self to come to Washington sooner. 498 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's not a popular answer. 499 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 4: No, I imagine, so, but you know, come here sooner, get involved. 500 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 4: I came here at thirty five, and you know that 501 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 4: was it was great. 502 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 3: I'd done a lot of interesting things before that. 503 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 4: But I think to come here sooner, get involved, you know, 504 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 4: get experience, work on the hill, work in the administration, 505 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 4: you know, serve in the military. I think incredible experience 506 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 4: for young people here. And I think the greatest people 507 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 4: that I've met in America are people that have been 508 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 4: that have served in the military. They're just remarkable people. 509 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 4: And I think that's true in other countries like Israel, 510 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 4: as we know. 511 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 3: So, yeah, my sixteen year old self, get to get 512 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 3: to Washington sooner. 513 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: I love that. So and us here with your best 514 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. 515 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 2: And maybe it is to be material girls. 516 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it sounds cliche, I think, was it. 517 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 4: I don't even remember it was Oscar Wilde or Marc Dwayne. 518 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 3: I don even remember. 519 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 4: You know, love your job, never work a day in 520 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 4: your life. I mean, I think that's the end of 521 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 4: the day has really been a great reward in my life. 522 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: Is I like tech, I like bench capital. 523 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 4: It was interesting, but it was really when I was 524 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 4: thirty five, came to Washington, got involved in policy issues 525 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 4: and national security and defending democracies, that I found a 526 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 4: life of real meaning and real purpose. You know, I 527 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 4: get up every morning and it's very rare that I'm dragging. 528 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 3: Myself to work. 529 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 4: It's usually with a sense of excitement, foreboding for sure, 530 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 4: but a sense of excitement and passion for what I do. 531 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 4: Do that don't necessarily pursue the material girl lifestyle, but 532 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 4: a lot of jobs that one can take. 533 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: We'll give you a lot of money, but very little meaning. 534 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,719 Speaker 4: Some of the best jobs may not give you as 535 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: much money, but butt a whole lot more meaning and 536 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 4: at the end of the day. 537 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 3: Short life. And I think a meaningful life is more 538 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 3: important than a material one. 539 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: I love it. He is Mark Dabowitz, Chief executive of 540 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: Defense of Democracies. Thank you so much for coming on. 541 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: Mark, Thanks so much, Carol, thanks so much for joining 542 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: us on the Carol Markoich Show. Subscribe wherever you get 543 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: your podcasts.