1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: What's up, guys. Chris Avery with you on a brand 2 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: new episode of Chargers Weekly. Coming up a bit later. 3 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Gil Manzano, Southern California Newsgroup will join me. We'll recap 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: the week that was at the podium during Chargers OTA's 5 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: but my first guest the NFL editor at USA Today. 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: He's also the author of the Genius of Desperation. We 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: did this a few years ago. Doug Ferrar joints me 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: here on the podcast. Doug, it's always a pleasure catching 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: up with you, man. I love your work. Thanks for 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: being here. Yeah, my pleasure. Got the powder. Blulan got 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: my nineteen sixty three Uncrowned Champs books. So we're ready 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: to go. Let's go. Hey, there's so many places we 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: can start. You wrote about Brandon Staley during the playoffs. 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: Just your initial thoughts and reaction when he was hired 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: to the Chargers in January. Not surprised. I mean, you know, 16 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: you get a lot of defensive coaches who just ascend 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden hate they're the guy. And 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: he was obviously the guy last year. Excuse me. I 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: think what he set up for the Rams and they 20 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: had the personnel to do it I the Chargers have 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: a lot of similar types of personnel, and we can 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: talk about that, but certainly, you know when he was 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: Vic Fangio's assistant in Chicago and the Bears just beat 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: the daylights out of the Rams. I think that was 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, and like Jared Goff's worst game ever, 26 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: and Sean McVay said, that guy, meaning Staley just killed 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: my offense. I need to hire him, and he did 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: and we all saw what happened, you know, Staley. It's 29 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: from a just a tendency standpoint. I mean, the Chargers 30 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: played zone, I'm sixty one percent of their snaps last season. 31 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: They didn't blitz a lot. They sent four rushers and 32 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: eighty two percent of their snaps, which ranked during the NFL. 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: The Rams played zone sixty six percent of the time, 34 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: sent four rush for seventy percent of the time. So 35 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: on the surface, just as far as personnel and sort 36 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: of usage, it's kind of similar to what Gusts did 37 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: last year. But what Staley does post snap is really different, 38 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: and I think it starts with a lot of too 39 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: high safety looks. And this is where Derwin James becomes 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: obviously really interesting, because he can also play all over 41 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: the place, and they'd run a lot of too high 42 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: and then bring one of the safeties down and play 43 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: Cover one or Cover three, and they were especially effective 44 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: and Cover three because then you'd have you know, John 45 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: Johnson come down. You know Derwin James are playing that 46 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: sort of star role, or CD Jalen Rams would be 47 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: playing that star wars. I think Derwin can play as well, 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 1: and you never really knew what you were going to get. 49 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: And then in the front they didn't blitz a lot, 50 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: but all kinds of stunts, all kinds of line movement, 51 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: and certainly you know with Bosa and you know Linval Joseph, 52 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: who I did a piece on the best pass rushers 53 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: from every gap last week and Joseph was in there 54 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: as I believe the two. Why so, they've got the 55 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: personnel to do a lot of different things after the snap, 56 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: presenting quarterbacks with one thing pre snap and another thing 57 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: post snap. I think Steely was as good as any 58 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: coach in the league last year at that and I 59 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: think you're going to see a lot more of that 60 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: from the Chargers. He's been awesome to listen to Doug 61 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: from his first pressor to just throughout this all season. 62 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: He's very he's very passionate, and it shines through and 63 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: his pressors. He talked about personnel group, ex using them 64 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: as a weapon, being a matchup driven team. And I 65 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: look at guys like Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey, his 66 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: Donald and Ramsey. Essentially here is Joey Bosa and Derwin James. 67 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: And I think in the last chapter of your book 68 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: you talk about just the positional versatility of guys, and 69 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: I think he used like Dia Buchanan and Tyron Matthews 70 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: an example. Darwin James, we have yet to really see 71 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: him outside his first year when he was an All 72 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: Pro as a rookie. But he could play quarter, he 73 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: could play live backer, he could play safety. He's a 74 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: positionless player. He may be the second or third best 75 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: pass rusher on the team. A healthy Darwin James, what 76 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: does he mean to this brand as saiey defense. Well, 77 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: I have the numbers in his career and obviously it's 78 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: been abbreviated by injury and for insutly three hundred and twenty. 79 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: This is pro pro football focused. Three hundred and twenty 80 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: snaps on the defensive line, six hundred and seventeen in 81 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: the box, two thirty three at three staft, two sixty 82 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: five in the slot, thirty three at outside corner. So 83 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: he will play everywhere, and I think in today's NFL 84 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: you need at least one of those guys, if not more, 85 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: certainly in the defensive backfield. If you've got just static 86 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: coverage at this point, you're in trouble because if offenses 87 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: know what they're going to see. And again we go 88 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: back to what Steely did pre stap and what he 89 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: showed post snap with the rams. If you're just doing 90 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: static and that's it, uh, you've got problems on defense, 91 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: and certainly with the Derwin James. I know Staley has 92 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: spoken about Derwin's versatility. He could be that star that's 93 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: sort of movable, that joker who can you know, it's 94 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: another way to affect the quarterback's view of the field 95 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: because well, why is he up here? You know he's 96 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: kind of playing like a spot deep safety role. Well, 97 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: he may be crashing down to stop the you know, 98 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: the inside slant drag route and you didn't see it 99 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: coming because he was way up here. It's a lot 100 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: of deception, it's a lot of assignment correctness. And I 101 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: think you know with Drwin James, certainly with the Santis 102 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: Samuel Jr. U Mike Davis one of the more underrated 103 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: zone quarterbacks. I mean, you've got the personnel to really 104 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: make what Staley prefers to do on defense important and 105 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: that sort of quote unquote positionless player is a big 106 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: part of it. You talk about opportunistic corners. You know, 107 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: Chris Harris Junior has been doing that his whole career. 108 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 1: But Sante Samuel Junior you wrote why he's a perfect 109 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: fit for what brand it Saley does. I don't know 110 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: if you can go into that a little bit. And 111 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,559 Speaker 1: then also just a piggyback off that you had Mike Davis, 112 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: I think as one of the eleven best zone corners 113 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: in football going into last year. So you know, you 114 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: see Casey Hayward depart, but when you get Darwin James back, 115 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: your resigned Mike Davis, Chris Harris Junior you hope is healthy, 116 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: and then you bring into Sante Samuel Junior who can 117 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: get the football, that's a pretty nice starting point for 118 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: the Chargers. The Rams also played a lot of Cover six, 119 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: which as you know, is cover two to one side 120 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: quarters to the other. So you're again, you're you're looking generic, 121 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: too high, and all of a sudden it becomes something else. Well, 122 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: I did a pre draft study of the best cornerbacks 123 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: and every type of coverage, and Santea Samuel was the 124 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: best corner cover six corner because he can play a 125 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, sort of a lane to one side, or 126 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: he can play at quarter of the field. He can 127 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: play quarter, quarter half, he can he's very aware, especially 128 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: in zone coverage. He can do whatever you want. That's 129 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: a big deal. Chris Harris and I've been writing about 130 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: Chris probably since twenty thirteen, when I really started paying 131 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: attention to slot burrs. I don't think it's an exaggeration 132 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: to say that Chris Harris is the best slot defender 133 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: in NFL history. Just you look at the body of 134 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: work and one of the things that I think makes 135 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: him I've talked to Chris a few times when he 136 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: was in Denver, and he's such a smart guy and 137 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: so aware of the entire defense. I know Staley has 138 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: talked a lot about having John Johnson with the Rams, 139 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: who's now in Cleveland. It's sort of a shot caller 140 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: on defense. I could see Harris kind of playing back 141 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: role as well. And then Davis, Yeah, he's just you know, 142 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: really smooth mover again, understands that zone stuff and they 143 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, Staley will play some man, but it's really 144 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: it's not about the old school, you know, Cover three. 145 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: We're just gonna go our guys against your guys. It's 146 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, it looks like Cover two or it looks 147 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: like two men, and all of a sudden it's based 148 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: Cover three and you're like, well read and recie this coming. 149 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: And it's Covered three with some interesting wrinkles in the 150 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: box and out to the flats and you know, up 151 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: the scene and stuff like that. So yeah, it's again 152 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: you can go back to the personnel and the fit 153 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: and you can see why Staley is pretty excited about 154 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: getting this defense on the field. You know too, Doug, 155 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see what Nasa Adderlei does this 156 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: year because that's another guy who has not played with 157 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: Darwin James. He had some injury trouble's first year. Both 158 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: he and Kenneth Murray talked about how they're excited about 159 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: this system of what it presents for them. Kenneth Murray 160 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: thinks he's gonna be able to go a little bit 161 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: more downhill what he did at Oklahoma. But Naz Adderley 162 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: he got to football at Delaware and I can envision 163 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: him in Darwin James doing some damage in that secondary. 164 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: That's another guy who you know. Drew Trenkle was hurt 165 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: last year. Kenneth obviously he started all sixteen games, but 166 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: he was a rookie and he was kind of kind 167 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: of finding his way a little bit. But ADDERLEI is 168 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: the guy for me that could really be an X 169 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: factor that secondary. Well, if you have and my comp 170 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: for Adderle coming out of school was Darniell Savage just 171 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: a great deep third, and I think if Adderle can 172 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: become that in the NFL, if you have that deep third, eraser, 173 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: it allows you to do so many more different because 174 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: now the post is taken out, you know, the deep 175 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: seem to either side is taken out. Because you have 176 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: that guy. At that point, Derwin can do everything. He 177 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: becomes you know, the X factor, that's what he becomes. 178 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: He's he's he's the versatile guy. He's that sort of star. 179 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: So then you have him as kind of the Jalen Ramsey. Maybe, um, 180 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: maybe Adderlee is the sort of John John and the 181 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: deep guy who can come down who can also cover. Um, yeah, 182 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: that that becomes a big part of it. And having 183 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: that deep because if you don't have that, then you 184 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: have to run more standard too high. You can't do 185 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: as many post snap shifts in coverage and quarterbacks having 186 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: easier time a bit, and that's obviously not what you want. Absolutely, 187 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: and you know you flip it to offense. Justin Herbert 188 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: and year to a new offensive system. Joe Lombardi comes in, 189 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: gonna bring a lot of that New Orleans influence. He 190 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: spoke at the podium this week, also said, hey we 191 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: got we got Shane Day as a quarterbacks coach, came 192 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: from San Francisco, Frank Smith and company come from Vegas 193 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: with justin last year. What did you see that impressed 194 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: you the most, that maybe surprised you a little bit. 195 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: I was very surprised. Um, you know, it's not like 196 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: I thought Herbert was going to be terrible, but I 197 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: didn't see at Oregon what I saw with the Chargers, 198 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: and it was pretty immediate. And I think when that happens. 199 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: As evaluators, you can you try and get this right, 200 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: and sometimes you go with an offensive system the players 201 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: in as opposed to the players traits and attributes in isolation. 202 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: And I think with her what I did that a 203 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: little too much. That Organ offense was kind of the 204 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: best way I could describe it as it was a 205 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: kind of a hesitation offense. He had to wait a 206 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: lot for his guys to come over. It wasn't really 207 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: a scheme to open system as much as he would 208 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: like to be for a quarterback. So what I saw 209 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: on tape from Herbert or Organ was a lot of hesitation, 210 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: a lot of kind of throwing on the run or 211 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, moving out of the pocket and then kind 212 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: of freezing and you know, what am I supposed to do? 213 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: So he comes in and not only right away is 214 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 1: he just blowing it up setting records from was it? 215 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: I think his first five games he had, you know, 216 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: he was setting records from the start, and he did 217 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: it in a situation where they kind of expected Tyrod 218 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: Taylor and then you know, Tyron Taylor couldn't for obvious reasons, 219 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: so they just kind of throw them in one hundred 220 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: miles an hour and he just takes it. He was 221 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: so much more decisive, He saw the field so much 222 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: better than I expected, and you know that the under 223 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: pressure stuff really was great. And I think the two 224 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: most remarkable things that had the numbers here the thing 225 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: that really impressed me for any rookie quarterback to come 226 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: in and say, Okay, I'm going to define to the 227 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: defense what you can and can't do when you pressured, 228 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: justin Herbert last year, it did not go well for you. 229 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: When you threw man coverage at it, it didn't go 230 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: well for you. Pressured last season, Herbert completed one hundred 231 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: and ten one hundred and ten one hundred and ninety 232 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: three passes for almost fifteen hundred yards, thirteen touchdowns just 233 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: two interceptions. Only Russell Wilson and Josh Allen had more 234 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: touchdown passes, and no quarterback who took at least fifty 235 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: percent of his snaps last season at a higher pass 236 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: rating under pressure than Herbert's ninety nine point four. And 237 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't close. Matthew Stafford finished second at ninety one 238 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: point eight, and against man coverage he was in better. 239 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: So when you have a rookie quarter back coming into 240 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: the NFL with all the complications luring in his system, 241 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: kind of I'm learning what you knew, you know, I 242 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: think you're going to find that with Josh Palmer. Some 243 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: of these college offenses just don't showcase the players the 244 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: way they should be, and then they hit the NFL 245 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: and they get this bump in efficiency and effectiveness, and 246 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: certainly Herbert did that. You know, there was I think 247 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: even if Joe Burrow had lasted his entire rookie season, 248 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: I think Herbert would have been the rookie of the 249 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: year going away. It just there was an incredibly impressive season, 250 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: and right from the start, it was like something about 251 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: that offense just unleashed him and he said, Okay, now 252 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: I can be who I really am. And we all 253 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: saw it. And this was with an offensive line that 254 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: was injured and was kind of at the bottom half 255 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: of the league. And you're bringing Corey Lindsley your draft 256 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: for Shawn Slater, you get Matt Feiler from the Steelers, Odeabushi, 257 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: and you hope Riyan Bulaga can stay healthy in twenty 258 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: twenty one. So you have the offensive line now, uh, 259 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Austin Ekeler. I'm curious what you 260 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: think of what Joe Lombardi's going to do. And obviously 261 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: we look back his time in New Orleans, He's had 262 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: a lot of good players, from Drew Brees to Sprowls 263 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: to Kimara to Michael Thomas to Colston. What do you 264 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: think this offense is going to look like? And we 265 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: could start with Eckler, who really in his brief time 266 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: with the Charges, He's lined up all over the field 267 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: and I could see this happening again. And I think 268 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: we talked about this off line. Yep. Well let's start 269 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: with the offensive line because and I'm not trying to 270 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: bag on Dan Phoene, he just you know he he 271 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: tied for the most pressures allowed among centers last year 272 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: with kind of government of the Jets, and now I 273 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: think Phoene's with the Jets. So yeah, I believe Corey 274 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: Lindsay allowed three total pressures last season, a high volume 275 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: passing game that went through the NFC Championship. Pretty good, 276 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: best center, He's the best center in the NFL, I 277 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: believe Lindsley is. And then you get Rashaun Slater, who 278 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: the last time we saw him was beating the daylight 279 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: side of a Chase Young, who is the ragining defensive 280 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: rookie of the year, and now he gets to protect 281 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: the blindside of the ragining offensive Rookie of the year, 282 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: pretty good, and we'll see that. We'll see that week 283 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: one too, Doug, which is I know, football team. I 284 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: love it. That's gonna be fun. So you start there, Um, 285 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: Herbert gets to kind of get used to, Hey, I'm 286 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: not getting you know, I'm not getting flushed out all 287 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, you know, we all know who Keenan 288 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: Allen is. He's He's the He's the ultimate. I'm going 289 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: to get open. I might I might not be the fastest, 290 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: i might be the most explosive, but I'll always get open. 291 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: Pre eminent route runner of his era. We all know this. Um, 292 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: you know they've got some explosive guys. If they wanted 293 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: to a more deep passing game, I think the Saints 294 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: didn't do that as much the last couple of seasons. 295 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: That was probably more about Breeze. And then when Breeze 296 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: is hurt, Bridgewater not really a deep pass. And then 297 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: you get the case in hell thing. We don't really 298 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: know what that is. But when Breeze was at his peak, 299 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: I mean, they were playing the ball down the field 300 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: all the time. The most interesting thing to me and 301 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: Lombardi has already spoken about this with Ekeler. He's compared 302 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: him to three backs in New Orleans, Reggie Bush, Darren 303 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: Darren Sprowls, and Alvin Kamara. And what are those guys 304 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: have in common? You go back to the Reggie Bush era, 305 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: I would argue, I would pause it that the Saints 306 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: with Reggie Bush invented the need for the base nickel defense. 307 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: Because you've got Reggie Bush in the backfield aligning to 308 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: the slot two hundred times a season. That third linebacker 309 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: has to come off the field because it's a it's 310 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: there are very few linebackers, especially at that time, we 311 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: weren't drafting these two hundred and twenty pound you know, 312 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: safety's playing linebacker in the first round. And then you 313 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: go to Sprowls who have that same thing, and certainly Kamara. 314 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: And you know, I was watching a rewatching Eckler kind 315 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: of in preparation for this, and I was like, oh, 316 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: there's you know, scoring a you know, wheel route touchdown 317 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: against the Chiefs from outside, and he's moved from outside 318 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: to the spot, moving from the backfield into the formation 319 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: and just slaughter outside. You can move him all over 320 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: the place, and it kind of becomes like we're talking 321 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: about Berwin James as the movable guy. I think it's 322 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: just as important offense to have players you can move 323 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: all over the place pre snap, and it affects what 324 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: the defense does post snap. And Echoler is certainly that 325 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: guy as good as anyone in the league. When it 326 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: comes to wherever you put him in the formation. He's 327 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: not you know, leab Unvella his peepers like this. He's 328 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: not just running wheel routes. This guy can run a 329 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: full route tree. And when you have that as an 330 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, especially when you're an OC used to backs 331 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: who can do that, it's just, you know, you can 332 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: kind of take more of your playbook over to this dug. 333 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: I've always said this, I don't even consider Austin Ekeler 334 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: running back. He's just he's that, ow right, the offensive 335 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: weapon who you put everywhere. What are the reasons too 336 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: you beef up the offensive line. You do it for 337 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert obviously, but you also do it to, you know, 338 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: open up some holes for guys like Eckler and Justin 339 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: Jackson and Joshua Kelly and Larry Roundrey, the third who 340 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: they got from Missouri I'm just curious when you look 341 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: at what the Saints were able to do in the 342 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: run game in recent years, how can that help a 343 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: quarterback like Justin? Especially if you can get guys like 344 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: Justin Jackson, who you know was so healthy at Northwestern 345 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: hasn't been able to really stay healthy as much in 346 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: the pros Joshua Kelly from UCLA. If you can get 347 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: those guys go when it four or five yards a clip, 348 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: what does that do for Justin in the passing game? Yeah, 349 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean they don't have a nick Job per se. 350 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: They don't have the power back who's gonna get fifteen 351 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: hundred yards and whatever? And you don't need that NFL, 352 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: you don't need Alkyl back. There are some people who 353 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: say running backs don't matter. I don't agree. I think 354 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: every position matters, but certainly in this I mean, Lindsley 355 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: is a dynamic run blocker, and you go back to 356 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: his time in Green Bay. Obviously they had Aaron Jones 357 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: who was all over the place and catching a town 358 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: of passes, so um, there's that familarity to familiar to there. 359 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: And you know Lindsley is a very agile blocker, but 360 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: he's also he can also be physical and Slater, my goodness, 361 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: that guy's a bully. I mean, he's agile, he can, 362 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, flare out. He's good in the ark and 363 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: all that. But we surprised he went at thirteen. Am 364 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: I surprise he lasted that long? Yes he was? He was. 365 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean really, Penny Sue was my OT one, but 366 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: Slater was my OT one A. It was a toss 367 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: up for me. He was a place. Um so well, 368 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: the surprise he lasted that long. Yeah, and I'm thinking, gosh, 369 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: Tom Telesco, that that whole staff must have been just 370 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: so happy to o, hey, you know, maybe the best 371 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: offense to tackle in this draft class falls into our 372 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: lap at a position of desperate mead and here we go. Yeah, 373 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: no question, Doug, this is awesome stuff. Man. I know 374 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: our fans are really going to appreciate your red site. 375 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: As we kind of slow down before a trainee camp, 376 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: I always try to give people book recommendations and kind 377 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: of ramp up for the for the twenty twenty one season. 378 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: The Genius of Desperation you wrote it a few years ago. 379 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: For those who don't know of the book, explain the 380 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: bucket where they can get it. Oh my pleasure. Thank you. 381 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: It is a schematic history in pro football from nineteen 382 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: twenty to the Almost President was published in twenty eighteen. 383 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: I think most of the stuff still applies. As you 384 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: talked about the positional football stuff in the final chapter 385 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: where I could do it, you know, part two, I 386 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: would probably do three more chapters on just that. I 387 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: talked more about prestap motion and you know, matchup defense 388 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: is and how it's to become a matchup league. But yeah, 389 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: it's um, you know, really starts in the fifties, and 390 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: I have a whole chapter in the American Football League. 391 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: So there's a guy named Sid Gilman who's mentioned quite 392 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: a lot. Um. Yeah, it's it was a fun book 393 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: to write, and I hope people enjoy it. Awesome, Doug, 394 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: I kept you longer than I said, but I enjoyed 395 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: the conversation. I hope to see you this fall. Come 396 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: on out to camp, come on out to Sofi Stadium, 397 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: and we'd love to have you. Well, I know I'll 398 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: be there for the Super Bowl. Hopefully I can get 399 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: there before absolutely, maybe i'll see absolutely. Hey, you know 400 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: what you're in Seattle, right? I think the Chargers play 401 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: the Seahawks in preseason so maybe maybe there maybe the 402 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: chapter preseason game. Yeah, dog, thanks so much, man, thank 403 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: you well. It was a busy week in Coast of 404 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: Mesa now joined by Gilmanzano Southern California News Group compas 405 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: On the Beat Big Time podcast Chad Ocho Cinco Gil 406 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: this week. Yeah, it was a fun compos on the 407 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: Beat episode with Chad john saon Ochocinco has a big 408 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: fight on Sunday on the Circus that is, Floyd was 409 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: against Logan Paul the YouTubers. So it was fun to 410 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: kind of catch up and tie in both worlds boxing 411 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: in football. You know, I love both sports, Chris, no question. Well, 412 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: you know we gotta listen to that and then are 413 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: you getting that fight? By the way, Yeah, that's the plan. 414 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: When I saw I was under sixty bucks, I said, okay, 415 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: I'll go all in, but not anything on their sixty dollars. 416 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: So I know it's not a traditional boxing car, but 417 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm kind of sucker sometimes when it comes to Floyma, 418 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: whether I have too, I always say with a fight 419 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna get to fight. I'm not gonna 420 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: get to fight, and then it gets three hours two 421 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: hours an hour closer like I'm gonna get to fight 422 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: that always happens. Oh well, hey man, I'd like to 423 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: be a copas on the Beat one time. Yeah, if 424 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 1: I can, definitely, let's go. Man. You know, we talk 425 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: a lot of chargers, Chris, and I know you do 426 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: more than charges lakers too, and that's what we do 427 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: as well. So you're versator like us. You gotta jump 428 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: on it and talk all the sports, you know, because 429 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: I don't you bring the knowledge. Man, Let's let's talk 430 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: all things LA sports. But hey, it was a busy 431 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: week at the podium. I mean we heard from all 432 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: three coordinators, We heard from Kenneth Murray, we heard from 433 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: nas Adelie. It went like ninety plus minutes. There was 434 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: a lot to take away. What kind of stood out 435 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: to you? Yeah, that was probably the longest time I 436 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: spent on zoom and the last year. But yeah, you're 437 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: right there, there was a lot to kind of consume. 438 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: But I feel like all the Beat reporters kind of 439 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: agreed that the main takeover it was kind of Murray. 440 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: Uh you know what kind of Murray? Last year we 441 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: kept trying to wait to see when you have a 442 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: breakout game. And I think it kind of happened in 443 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: that Debacco Patriots game when they were down forty five. 444 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: He was the only one showing the heart and fighting too. 445 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: It was all over the field, yeah, and he was 446 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: moving and from there you saw he picked it up. 447 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: But they would kind of Murray it was a hard 448 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: scheme to kind of you know, grasp it, guzz Proudley 449 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: because they asked him a lot to kind of be 450 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: a pass coverage guy, defend the middle, limited the big plays, 451 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: and for him, that's not what he didn't call it. 452 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: So now with Brandon Staley and Ronaldo Hill, then knew 453 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: it was and the coaches, you know, they say you're 454 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: gonna be a downhill a linebacker, and Kenneth Murray said, 455 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: that's music to his ears because that's what he did 456 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: in college. You know, last year, a lot of the 457 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: reporters are kind of wondering, when is he gonna a 458 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: blitz more, When are he gonna be a pass rusher? 459 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: And maybe he won't be kind of a you know, 460 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: a heavy pass rusher, but he's gonna go out to 461 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: the ball and when it comes to the running and 462 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: passing the coverages, he's gonna be downhill, like you said, 463 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: and you can see him very happy. So I think 464 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: for Kenneth Murray to kind of hear that from the 465 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: new coach and stuff, I'm guessing very excited for your too. Yeah, 466 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: he said in his strengths obviously what he did at 467 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Gil, I'm just wondering out loud, like, had 468 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: your trank Will been healthy last year, would Murray's role 469 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: have been the same or would he have been able 470 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: to do a little bit more of that? So having 471 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: trank Will next to Murray's just gonna make both of 472 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: them better players. But but I wonder too, with trank 473 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: Will in the mix and playing beside Murray this year, 474 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: what that linebacking corps is gonna look like, because you know, 475 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 1: Staley's gonna put both of those guys in a position 476 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: to be successful and cater to their strikes. Yeah. I 477 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: don't want to say that loss of Drew Tranco really 478 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: hurt Kenneth Murray, you know, obro I hurt the team. 479 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: But I think Kenneth Murray is so versatile and has 480 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: a deep skill set that you know, the prior coaching 481 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: ste probably thought, Okay, we lost Trancle, But I think 482 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: Kevin Murray can handle this. It might be a little rocky, 483 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: and maybe it took a little longer, but after, you know, 484 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: like I mentioned that Patriots game, he figured out and 485 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: maybe for this year it might work out for the best. 486 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: He's an all around linebacker, very versatil. Okay, he won't 487 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: he asked him to defend the pass or you know, 488 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: defend the tight end, he could do it because he 489 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: has experienced. So you're probably right, Chris, maybe that wasn't 490 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: a plan at the beginning. Maybe it would have been 491 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: no Drew Trancor handling most of the coverages when it 492 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: comes out, because he was great in that as a rookie, 493 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: And now we forget because they didn't play last year 494 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: that this is how how how promising this duel could be. 495 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: And we saw it at OTA's in the middle as 496 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: Drew Tranco and Kenneth Murray forty nine and number nine 497 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: two nine's there how to think about it, and that 498 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: could be a pretty fun duel. And it's kind of 499 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: the same thing that we say about Derwin James and Nastalily, 500 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: like this dude could be great, but they got to 501 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: be healthy. So maybe for twenty twenty one, now with 502 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: a different scheme and a coach who likes to kind 503 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: of bring out the best when it comes to what 504 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: you do best in terms of talent, that could be 505 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: fun to see this dual linebacker in twenty twenty one. 506 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: You know, naz Atli is another guy that I'm really 507 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: excited about his prospects in twenty twenty one. Play next 508 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: to Derwin James. Uh, he was. He was fun to 509 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: listen to it the podium as well, because I think 510 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: he started it by when someone asked him about the defense, 511 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: he just said, just to put it plainly, I'm very, 512 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: very excited. Ronaldo Hill said that he's been taking a 513 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: kind of a leadership role. He said, they've been doing 514 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: this thing cahoot where they like do these these app 515 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: based quizzes on different things, and Nas has been dominating 516 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: everybody in that. So that's another guy who will you 517 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: go back And I was just talking to Doug Farr 518 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: about this, you go back to what he did at Delaware. 519 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: He got the full ball. Him next to Derwin James 520 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: in this new look secondary is one of those kind 521 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: of key storylines I'm looking at in July when training 522 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: camp stores. Yeah, for Nas, you know, it was a 523 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: rocky sophomore year, and you could call it a rookie 524 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: year because he was hurt his rookie year. And when 525 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: we first met Na, right, yeah, it was like a 526 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: restaurant year and he was starting and he got the 527 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: hand with but it was a little rocky. But but 528 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: with Nas when we first met him, you get the 529 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: sense of excitement, how eager he was to play next 530 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: to Drwin James and on the football field, and maybe 531 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: that kind of you know, hurt him a little bit. 532 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: And then rookie, you're being too eager. But now you're 533 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: seeing the eagerness when it comes to the classroom. You know, 534 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: Ronaldo Hill said that this trivia game is like who 535 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: you said, Chris, uh yeah, yeah, that he's winning everything. 536 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: So that shows the type of guy he is. When 537 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: it comes to any type of you know, you know, 538 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: competitive event off the field or off the field with 539 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: cars or whatever, it's gonna be Nas leading the way 540 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: because he's that exciting kind of player. So you're right, 541 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to the new coach, just 542 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: how a lot of the players get excited. And I 543 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: think it was a big win for the defensive guys 544 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: to get Brandon Stalea and now the Hill. And we 545 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: now the Hill being a former defensive back in the 546 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: NFL for many years to benefit guys like nas Adelie. 547 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: It's Michael Davis, Asante, Samuel Jror, a guy who's done 548 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: him before for many years. So I think for nas 549 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: it could be a big year three. And that's the 550 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: thing for for the for the charges the higher Brandon 551 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: states there's a lot of guys who are drafted very 552 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: high UNUSU, Artillery and Adderlie and Kenneth Murray who are 553 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: kind of you know, finding try to find their niche. 554 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: And I think this coach is that could be that 555 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: staff to you know, get the best of what these 556 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: guys do best on the field. That's a great point. 557 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: I mean from from Tillery to Murray to Tranquil to Adderlee. 558 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: If you can get those guys to kind of take 559 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: that next step in their career in this new defense. 560 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: Obviously with Thorwyn coming back, and it's it's easy to say, 561 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: and I could just put it plainly like Dorwin is 562 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: going to make this thing go. Like if he's healthy 563 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: for sixteen games. He saw what he did his rookie year. 564 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: He's the type of guy who can make an indelible 565 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: impact every single game. Gil, and and then just the 566 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: opportunistic guys in the back end, Sante, Samuel, Chris, Harris Junior. 567 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: You hope is healthy, Mike Davis, uh that Russian cover 568 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: working together with Bosa and obviously seeing you Chenner Nuoso, 569 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: who you mentioned. I think you asked the question of 570 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: run Hill about you, Chenner Nuosu. This is a big 571 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: year for him getting to the quarterback, kind of taking 572 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: that role of Melvin Ingram and we'll see what he 573 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: does with it. Yeah, you know, before I get to 574 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: Dertwin James Woolsu. It is gonna be a bigger favorite, Hi, 575 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: because I don't think Bob Ingram was coming back to 576 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: the Chargers. And you can't just let it be Joya, 577 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: Bosa and and the rest of the guys. You we 578 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: gotta learn these other names, these other guys like Jared 579 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: Terry Nusu. And it's definitely this this game that likes 580 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: to blitz a lot. I know, but with the prior 581 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: regime it was a lot of you know, Russian four. 582 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: But these guys are gonna rush way more guys that 583 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: you need a pressure and sacks and NUSA. Going into 584 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: year four, this is year it's just time to shine. 585 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: He's kind of been a rotational player and maybe you 586 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: know that's kind of hurt both sides that he's out 587 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: on the field often. But now it's That's why I 588 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: asked when all the hill, what have you seen from 589 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: this guy? Because he's showing flashes now on Derwin James. 590 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: He's gonna make everybody's life easier. We haven't really talked 591 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: to joy Bus because we know what joy Bull is 592 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: gonna do every Sunday. But he needs help too. Like 593 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: he's out there kind of you know, being a one 594 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: man team. He can't have all the pressures alone. So 595 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: Derwin James could be a pass rusher, Derwinns could be 596 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: a linebacker, he could be a safety, it could be 597 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: a cornerback. And it's a lot of pressure to put 598 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: on one guy, Derwin James. But if he stays healthy, 599 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 1: it's gonna help out the entire defense. And I think 600 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: this is when the even Deeves could be, you know, 601 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: maybe even better than twenty eighteen in the one Toil Games. 602 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: This even could be you know, top five, And we 603 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: say that every year because on paper, it's a very 604 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: stack defense that it looks pretty, but they gotta be healthy. 605 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: You gotta have du Tracle, and you gotta have of 606 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: course Derwin James, and you gotta bring some health for 607 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: Joey Boss as well. You know, just just talking out 608 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: loud here. Justin Jones is another guy who he's kind 609 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: of in that category of young players who you hope 610 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: and expect to take that next step in this branded 611 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: Staley system. So, I mean, we talked about Tillery, Jones, 612 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: Murray Tranquil Adderleie, Mike Davis. That's another guy that they 613 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: said they can get more out of and you know, 614 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: Mike had a good year last year. Uh, the coordinators 615 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: all spoke Ronaldo Hill. I like what you said. I 616 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: think the fact that he has that playing experience, and 617 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, Durwin and nas can can look at a 618 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: guy who's like day, this guy played in the league. 619 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: He knows what it's like to prepare for a game practice. 620 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: So I think that connection of having a former player 621 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: who's you know, fairly recently removed from the league as 622 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: your coordinator, that's a big deal. Yeah, you know, Craiz, 623 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: I'd like to go back to the high arm projects 624 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: for a head coach. There's a lot of talk about 625 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: getting Justin Herbert offensive guru quarterback whisper, because when you 626 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: have a prize quarterback that young, you want you you 627 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: hunt to focus on him. We forget how much Tom 628 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: Telesco has invested on the defense. And you mentioned Justin 629 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: Jones and you gave a whole lineup and I'm like, yeah, 630 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: that guy too, that guy too, and they need to 631 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: reach a potential and they were a yeah, they're all 632 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: and that's why, you know, I think I saw that 633 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: one of the youngest teams in the NFL. And but 634 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of potential on promise and you mention 635 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: Inaldo Hill and I'm eager to see how they unlock 636 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: that potential with all these guys. And you know, we 637 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: haven't even talked about Limball Joseph, but he's gonna do 638 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: what he does every sun that we know about that. 639 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of guys on the defense and 640 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: I think this coach and said Brandon Stayley could take 641 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: to the next level. And we talk a lot about 642 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: Brandon staling what he does as a as a play caller. 643 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: We did with the Rams was great and an off 644 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: scene that was so strange to make him the top 645 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: raid of defense in the NFL. We forget about Ronaldo Hill. 646 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: It's gonna be kind of a brain story back and forth, 647 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: Like I'm curious to see what Coronaldo Hill bring to 648 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: the table. There's a reason why there's a reason why 649 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: Brandon Sailor brought him because he's a big fan of his. 650 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: So I think having two minds like that a workout 651 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: for the best for everybody and for these pharmacing players 652 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: on the field. Another guy I always enjoy listening to 653 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: is Darius Switt in the second the special teams coordinator. 654 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: He's always impressive. I love hearing some of the things 655 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: he had to say. I think my favorite quote I 656 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: put on Twitter it's like, if you're gonna ask me 657 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: a question, just don't bring me an apple. Come with 658 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: a specific question. There's so many guys that they have 659 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: to evaluate from now until the end of August. Skill 660 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: in terms of who's gonna make this team and special 661 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: teams is that path? Are you going to excel on 662 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: special teams? We know what happened last year. It's well documented. 663 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a competition at all levels of special 664 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: teams and it was fun for coach Switten to kind 665 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: of outline kind of what the expectations are. He said, 666 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: he puts together voiceovers, PowerPoint presentations. These guys have all 667 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: the tools they need to know exactly what's expected of them. Yeah, 668 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, with Derek, he's an interesting guy and I 669 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: love talking to him because he keeps it honest and 670 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: he wanted to ask all the tough questions and you 671 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: see that. You know what the players as well. And yeah, 672 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: last year was rocking for special teams. We all know that. 673 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: So when it got that ugly, why be shy with 674 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: the questions? You know, get better, you know, improved. And 675 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: I like that Darres is bringing competition. You look at 676 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: the specialists. There's multiple kickers on the rosters, multiple long snappers, 677 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: multiple punters. So after last year, everybody's job better be 678 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: on the line and you better bring your best uh 679 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: come training cap because Dere's twins is gonna gonna you know, 680 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, weed out people who are not meant to 681 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: be on this roster. And he's so competitive too. He's 682 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: talking about betting one dollar for for games and you 683 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: just talk about betting. He's like, He's like, I don't care. 684 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: I checked the rules already, you could bet dollars It's okay, 685 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: we all make money in this league. So I love 686 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: that honesty. And you could tell that he had a 687 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: big influence in the draft because a lot of these 688 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: guys they drafted, they played special teams. They know how 689 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: to block, they know the fundamentals, and now it's up 690 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: to Darres and kind put out together. And they even 691 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,479 Speaker 1: brought a veterans like Kyler facrol Uh and Ryan Smaith 692 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: who just won a Super Bowl. That's gonna be a 693 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: big overall. So I think Oberall Tom Tolasco really revowed 694 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: there's special teams and now it's the keys are handed 695 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: to Darius Onetam. Some of those core guys that frankly, 696 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: the Chargers didn't have last year. When when when Adrian 697 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: Phillips went to the Patriots and Derek Watt, for instance, 698 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: went to the Steelers and Dzubnar went to Tennessee, those 699 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: are guys who are core special teamers. You bring in 700 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: some of those vets and then you mix in you know, 701 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,959 Speaker 1: you have nine draft picks. There's a lot of these guys, 702 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: from Nick Neeman to Larry Rowntree who didn't necessarily play 703 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: special teams in college because so much was expected of 704 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: them on the offensive and defensive side of the ball, respectively. 705 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: But they've done it before. And you know, when you 706 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: have nine picks in camp, you better believe you better 707 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: play special teams and you better excel us special teams 708 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: if you're gonna make the roster. Yeah, I look at 709 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: wide receiver. That position is a long jam is loaded 710 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: and it's kind of a great gil That's that's the 711 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: storyline on fasting By because we know Keenan, we know Mike. 712 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: You know you draft Josh Palmer in the third round 713 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: for a reason, t Billy, Jalen, Guyden, kJ Hill, Joe Reid. 714 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: That's a crowded wide receiver group right now. Yeah, you 715 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: could keep going. There's so many guys and probably the 716 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: way to do it to win a roster spotted the 717 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: special team. Maybe Joe Reid figures it out as a 718 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: kicker returner and that helps him out to stay on 719 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: on the roster. Uh, you know, maybe kJ Hill gets 720 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,439 Speaker 1: better as the partment returner and they stays on the roster. 721 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right when you draft a guy on 722 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: the third round, like you know, like Josh Palmer, and 723 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: that tells you they want these other guys to contept 724 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: it up. Just competition, so you know there's gonna be 725 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: a whole lot of storylines in training. Kevin I mentioned 726 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: all these specialists there. I'm gonna be watching the kickers 727 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: too as well. But wide receiver is gonna be very intriguing. 728 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: But it's it's good for Justin Herbert. There's a lot 729 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: of weapons and we know just a Hubert likes to 730 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: spread the ball around and when we talk about Mike 731 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: Williams and Ken An a lot, but Tyrn Johnson and 732 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: Jalen Guyden were great stretching the field. So but there's 733 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: not a lot of snaps for everybody, so you know, 734 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: four guys gotta win these these snaps. It's a great 735 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: segue into Joe Lombardi, who we got to hear from 736 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: for the first time in a while, and it was 737 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,720 Speaker 1: refreshing to hear, you know him talk about this offense. 738 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: His early impressions of Justin called him a perfectionist, said 739 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: he's excited for him to actually uncorked that arm. They 740 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: haven't been thrown at OTA's, but a guy who obviously 741 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: is highly intelligent gonna pick up this system. Lombardi talked 742 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: about just having that that element of the New Orleans 743 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: system with some sprinkles of San Francisco from Shane Day 744 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: and Vegas with Frank Smith. So what did you take 745 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: from Joe outside of just talking about the system in general? 746 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: He talked about a lot of guys from Justin to 747 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: Mike Williams to Austin Eckler. Yeah, you know, I'll start 748 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: with Mike Williams. You know, Michael is kind of a 749 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: guy who never had you know, gets a lot of targets. 750 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: He never really really pats the statue like he Allen does, 751 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: but he makes these plays count when they come, especially 752 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, big plays on the field because 753 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: rest field. But it seems not with Joel Lombardi. He's gonna, 754 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 1: you know, throw, It's gonna feed Mike william He's gonna 755 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: gonna give him his targets. He mentioned that the exposition 756 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 1: and he said Michael Thomas had that position, and Michael 757 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: Thomas has you know, one of them he has Yeah, yeah, 758 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: a lot of balls. But with Keen Allenson, you think 759 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: that Michael Thomas more like Keen Allen. But Lombard is 760 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: saying no, no, it could be Mike Williams because ken 761 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: I was gonna get his catches like always in one 762 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: of the best third down wide receivers in the in 763 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 1: the NFL. So for my Quilliams, he must be excited 764 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: to hear that because because it's always weird of Mike Quilliams. 765 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: He gets a thousand yards but not to touchdounds. He 766 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: gets the ten touchdounds, but not the thousand yards. So 767 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: this could be the year that the Michaelins put it 768 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 1: all together. Uh, and it could be with Joel Lombardi. 769 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: But then with Joel Lombardi it kind of always go 770 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: to It's like, you know, what if the schemes suit complicated? 771 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: What if it is that he's trying to do in 772 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: New Orleans or or the forty nine ers, or even 773 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: what the Raiders were doing with Frank Smith in those 774 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: days there, or even the Packers. But he said, you know, 775 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: I asked him, how can you be different? How can 776 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: you make it to how can you make the charges? 777 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: Often he says, it's gonna do it around the person. Now, 778 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: there's always a foundation. It is always the base, and 779 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: it could be New Orleans. But you know, when training 780 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: can goes around, you go will you do best? And 781 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot about Justin Herbert make them comfortable. 782 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: So when I heard that, I'm like, okay, because I 783 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: try to copy something. He's trying to get a foundation 784 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: and then build off of that and make it the 785 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: charge your way. Yeah, he was in New Orleans for 786 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 1: so long. One of the things that I think Jeff 787 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: ass just the comparisons of Breeze and Herbert, and it 788 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: just it starts with the intelligence. Obviously, you know there 789 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: are different heights. Drew plays has played like two hundred 790 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: and eighty six games versus Justine fifteen starts, so there's 791 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: a lot of differences. But like some of those intangibles, 792 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: is the intelligence, the perfectionist in both of those guys. 793 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: Those are the things that translate. And we know how 794 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: spark Justin is. We'll see maybe throughout this season and beyond, 795 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: how much more you could put on his plate and 796 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: how much more comfortable he gets in the offense. So 797 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: it was fun to hear from all three of these guys, 798 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: Gil as we kind of get closer to Mini camp. 799 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: What else are you keeping your eye on as we 800 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: get to mini camp? And then obviously we talked about 801 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: things are gonna slow down a lot before training Kimp. Yeah, 802 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: we haven't really talked about the offensive line, and that's 803 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: how that was a big focus. And in the offseason 804 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: when you got Corey Linsley and Matt Feiler and Audio Bushy, 805 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: and I was kind of interested watching ots. I know, 806 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: not all the guys are there, Buyan Bulaga hasn't really 807 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: been there or a Bushy, but looking at the left 808 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: side with rashauns Later and Matt Feiler and Corey Lisleey, 809 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: it looks pretty nice right now. But can they put 810 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: it together real quick? Because it's four out of five 811 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: new stars an offensive line that's upthing Franks meant to 812 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 1: get together, and I've heard great things about Frank Span 813 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: so maybe it won't be a problem. Brian Bulaga and 814 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: Corey Lizbey have a chemistry from the Green Bay days. 815 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: But I want to see this kind of you know, 816 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: this old line come together quick and fast. And because 817 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: they're Week one, you're playing Washington has one of the 818 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: best defensive line, So yeah, your tests right away, So 819 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,280 Speaker 1: I think for me, that's kind of where I'm looking at. Obviously, 820 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: I mentioned why receiver. I kin't want to see how 821 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: that kind of pans out and maybe another safety. We 822 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: mentioned Nas and Derwin James, but and I know Brandon 823 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: State likes to play a lot of three safety, So 824 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: who's gonna be that third guy to kind of step up? 825 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: So many many intriggued storylines, and I'm kind of excited 826 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: to get past these at Ota the mini camp and 827 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: get right into training camp. I know, let's just go now, man, please, 828 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 1: I'm ready. Gilvin's out of Southern California news group copus 829 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: on the beat. Where can fans get the podcast? Gil? 830 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: How many days a week does it come out? Give 831 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 1: me all the good stuff? Yeah, it's once a week 832 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: right now, it feels like it's more. But because we're 833 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: cranking out a lot of content and interviews and we're 834 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: putting together and it comes out every Tuesday. We're on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, 835 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,439 Speaker 1: so we got audio and videos. Were bringing the best 836 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: of both worlds and and it's been fun. Yeah, like 837 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned, we had on we had a Sante Samuel Junior. 838 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: We had a great interview with Rashawn Slater. So a 839 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: lot of charges flavor a lot of other sports as well, 840 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: Like we're we're into boxing and wrestling, so and we 841 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: like to have fun with a lot of banters. So 842 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, if you see us on YouTube composing the 843 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: b subscribe, turn on a little bell for notifications, and 844 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: don't miss an episode. Put Gil and Fernando in your rotation. 845 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: Always appreciate the time, man. I wanted to give you 846 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: your solo time as opposed to the roundtable. Let you 847 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: fire off support takes, so you're not waiting in line, right, Yeah, 848 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 1: that was kind of nice. I'm like, wait, I could 849 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: keep going on. I can keep talking. I have a 850 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: lot of opinions too. You know, all right, buddy, I 851 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: will see you at practice next week and we'll talk soon. 852 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: Sounds good, Chris, Thank you for the time, and that's 853 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: gonna do it for us. A big thanks to Gilbert 854 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: Manzano and Doug Ferrar for joining me, and of course 855 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,720 Speaker 1: thanks to you all for listening. Be sure to download 856 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: and subscribe to the Chargers Podcast Network wherever you listen 857 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: to podcasts. We're also on chargers dot com and the 858 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,720 Speaker 1: team's official YouTube channel, so if you're watching us on video, 859 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Tune in in, have a great weekend, 860 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 1: and until next time, I'm Chris Hary.