1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah works at the NFL network. He's got a podcast. 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: It's a good one. Move the Sticks. His twenty fourth 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: NFL combine coming up. Somebody we rely on and trust 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: as the NFL season ends. You know, it's interesting, Daniel. 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: You know this. 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: A lot of times the free agent market can be 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: initiated and propelled because there are weaknesses in the draft. 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: So's it's obviously if you look, I mean, there's some 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: really good edge rushers. It's a pretty good, pretty good 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: d line draft. I think in the first at least, 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: there's some nice offensive tackles, a couple of utah. Maybe 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: where is the draft lacking in your opinion, which will 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: increase the activity in free agency in March? 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 4: Well, I will give you two positions, Colin. First of all, 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 4: the running back position. Draft wise, I think we have 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 4: one first round caliber back, and then I think there's 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 4: a chance we don't see one even going the second round, 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 4: and we'll see a flurry of them there after at 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 4: that point. So I think there's a really good crop 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 4: of free agent running backs which is going to inform 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 4: maybe some franchise tag opportunities for teams, or teams are 29 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 4: going to be aggressive and going out and paying some 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 4: of these young veterans that are on the market. And 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 4: then the obvious elephant in the room is the quarterback. 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 4: I mean, there's one for sure quarterback who everybody believes, 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 4: myself included, goes one to one, and then there's a 34 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 4: conversation on Ty Simpson and where does he fit into 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: this whole thing. But when you have one and a 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 4: half first round caliber quarterbacks and there's a lot of 37 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: teams out there that have a need of the position, 38 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: it's good to be the Malik Willis's. It's good to 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 4: be the Niners holding on to Mac Jones to see 40 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 4: what comes their way as well. 41 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get to two evals. I like Fernanda 42 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: Minosa kind of more than everybody else does. I don't 43 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: think he's Andrew Luck or Sam darnold athleticism, but I think. 44 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: We were. 45 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: The staff showed me something this morning. Tom to LESCo, 46 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: our friend said, Matt Ryan. I think he's bigger, stronger, 47 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: and more athletic than Matt Ryan. Although I think that's 48 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: a good comp. I think he is a if he 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: gets decent coaching, he is a plus player. He's a 50 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: franchise guy. I'll make a couple of Pro Bowls, maybe several, 51 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: three or four? 52 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 3: Is that? I mean? 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: I think he's big, accurate, He's been bloodied his lip 54 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: multiple times. He's Some say that Indiana offense is too simplistic, 55 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: maybe they need what do you see? 56 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I talked to Tom and I actually I 57 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 4: told him I was going to steal some that with 58 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 4: Matt Ryan because I do like that just in terms 59 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 4: of kind of the grittiness, toughness aspect of it. I 60 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: look at quarterbacks almost in terms of families as opposed 61 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 4: to just like that single comp. I think if you 62 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 4: had kind of that Jared Goff Matt Ryan family, he 63 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 4: kind of fits into that family. Whether or not, whether 64 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 4: or not he's a brother or a cousin. I'll let 65 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 4: everybody else figure that out. But that's kind of the 66 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 4: style of quarterback that he is. And for the evaluation 67 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 4: part of it, look when you go through and you 68 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 4: watch third and seven plus throws, which weeds out all 69 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 4: the RPOs. 70 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 5: That everybody you know complains about. 71 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: When you go look at him in the red zone, 72 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 4: when you go look at him in big games, when 73 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 4: you look at him on big moments, see the end 74 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: of the Penn State game, see the National Championship game. 75 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 5: This guy stepped up and done it every single time. 76 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 5: So I'm a huge believer in him. 77 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 4: And I would also say, for as much grief as 78 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 4: as everybody has all this this problem with the transfer portal, 79 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: what the transfer portal has done for the evaluation process. 80 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 5: We've seen bo Nicks with inferior players at Auburn. 81 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 4: Then go play with good players at Oregon and look 82 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 4: at the play and look what you get there. We 83 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: saw cam Ward, who is an incarnate word to Washington State. 84 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 4: All of a sudden he gets with Miami and look 85 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 4: what he does with real players. Now we're seeing with Mendoza, 86 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: who is a good player at Cal but he gets 87 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 4: a great coach and a great infrastructure, and the guy 88 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 4: goes undefeated, wins the Heisman Trophy, in the National Championship. 89 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: So I thought Jackson Dart was more of a top 90 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: of the second round guy. He went in the first 91 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: and had a good year. 92 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: I was wrong. 93 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: I think Ty Simpson feels like a top of the 94 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: second round guy. But I could see the Rams taking 95 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: him they got two first. How do you evaluate ty 96 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: Simpson at Bama. 97 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's my fortieth player, you know, as we are 98 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 4: in the process right now, which I wouldn't look if 99 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 4: somebody wants to take him with the twenty fifth pick, 100 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 4: that's not that out of a realm of possibility, and 101 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 4: I would think that's not really a reach based off 102 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 4: how I evaluated him. I don't think he's one of 103 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 4: those quarterbacks you drop into any of the thirty two 104 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 4: rooms and he's going to have success, you know, in 105 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: any system, any supporting cast. 106 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 5: I do think you need to protect him. 107 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 4: He's mechanically sound, he throws a nice ball, he's got 108 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 4: touch and accuracy. But when get around him, I thought 109 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 4: there's times he plays a little small, and then the 110 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 4: guy's only started fifteen games and he's been beat up. 111 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 4: So those are the negative sides of it. That's why 112 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 4: I kind of slot him outside my top thirty two. 113 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 4: But if you're the Rams, you got a great offensive line. 114 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 4: He doesn't have to step in and play right away. 115 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 4: So that lack of experience, we can kind of give 116 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 4: you some of that in our system. 117 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 5: Before we needed you to play. I could, you know, 118 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 5: I can understand that. 119 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go back This is always fun. Sam Darnold, 120 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: go back online. Tell me what your evaluation was. 121 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 4: Well, we used to be hidden underneath my bed for 122 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 4: a couple of years. Column when my report now it 123 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 4: hangs up next to my diploma on the wall, I'm 124 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 4: going to have it engraved. But no, I look, he 125 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 4: was my top quarterback in that draft lives and I 126 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 4: was actually talking about him the year before because he 127 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 4: has that Rose Bowl game, you know, against Saquon Barkley 128 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 4: and Penn State and that epic comeback. 129 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 5: He makes some big time throws in that game. 130 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: And I had mentioned at the combine before he was 131 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: draft eligible, like this is the guy everybody's talking about. 132 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 4: Is next year's quarterback, you know in Sam Darnold because 133 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 4: of you know, just kind of the natural way he 134 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 4: plays the game. The ball explodes out of his hand. 135 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 4: He's just a real He's just a real fluid, natural 136 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 4: athlete who's got an explosive arm, and he went to 137 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: a tough situation, and you know, I do. You know, Look, 138 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 4: I'm so happy for him because he's such a good dude, 139 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 4: and I have always believed in the ability. But I 140 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 4: don't agree with the well, you know, the Jets. They 141 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: should have just stayed there. Eventually would have happened. I 142 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 4: think he needed to get out of New York. I 143 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 4: think he needed to get somewhere else. I think that 144 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 4: was good for him, and I think being around Shanahan 145 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 4: that time, there was an incredibly smart decision on his part, 146 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 4: knowing that, look, I'm going to soak up everything this 147 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 4: guy has. 148 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 5: Not only is it going to help. 149 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 4: Me learn football, but then there's also the reality that 150 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 4: this is the offensive system that half the league runs 151 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 4: because they all come from underneath his tree. So for 152 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 4: him to have the maturity to take a step back 153 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 4: and learn that, I thought that that that's one of 154 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: the reasons why he is where he is. 155 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: You know how good John Snyder is And I was 156 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: just wondering. This popped into my head. When you look 157 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: at the Seahawks, he's gone like eight for his last 158 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: eight or nine for his last nine on first and 159 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: second round guys like not only does it miss like 160 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: they all become really good, some become incredibly special. And 161 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: I think that the safety from South Carolina. People said 162 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: right after the draft, that's that guy's going to be 163 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: a star. That's one of the easier second round guys. 164 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: Does he have a theme? I mean, why is he 165 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: such a good drafter you've been doing this? Is there 166 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: something he does that other gms don't do. I mean, 167 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: we're putting it up now. I'm sorry to the radio audience, 168 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: we're putting it on television. It's just no missus, like, 169 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: you tell me what's his secret to this stuff? 170 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 4: Well, he lets the draft fall to him, you know. 171 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 4: For one like Emon Warrior, I think was my fifteenth 172 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 4: or sixteenth overall player. I'm not saying everybody has it 173 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 4: the same, but this guy was a first round talent 174 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 4: who just kind of fell to him, so he. 175 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 5: Took him there. 176 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: But when you start looking at guys who when I 177 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 4: was in Baltimore, we had a red Star meeting where 178 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: you would go through and each scout could put a 179 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: red star on one player in the draft. Didn't necessarily 180 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: mean they were the best player, but they were the 181 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 4: guy that was just the most competitive. 182 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 5: We talked like he played like a raven, like he 183 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 5: fit us. 184 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 4: And when you look through like JSN ultra competitive, tough, physical, 185 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 4: Gray's Abel you go to the Senior Bowl. Took nine 186 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: million reps. Everybody's trying to go against him, and he 187 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 4: slaughtered everybody like super super competitive. 188 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 5: On and on and on. 189 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker uplifted that entire Michigan State program on his shoulders. 190 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 4: Like these guys are all guys, are passionate love football, 191 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 4: and there's no turds, there's no jerks, there's no selfishness 192 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 4: in that group. They're all good dudes, good competitive dudes. 193 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 4: That that to me is the overall theme. 194 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh. 195 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: I want to I want to ask you about the 196 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: Chargers because you work on their broadcast and we said, 197 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: I said, you lose Jesse Mintor, your defense probably not 198 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: quite as good. You gain Mike Daniel, you'll be a 199 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: much more effective passing offense. Plus you get your tackles back. 200 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: Plus the Chargers have cap space. I mean, this is 201 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: conjecture and projecting, but Jamack and I agree on one 202 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: thing next year is that the Chargers will go from 203 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: a team that was surviving on offense and flourishing on defense, 204 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: or the offense could be spectacular next year and the 205 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: defense may I mean mentor was a really really good 206 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. You tell me, with the Chargers, with that 207 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: cap space and Mike McDaniel, what do you think they'll 208 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: target in the draft and what will they look like 209 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: next year? Because we both believe week one you're going 210 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: to watch the Chargers and go, Okay, this is the 211 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: hardball Herbert thing that we thought we'd get this year. 212 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 4: Well, Colin, I think when you look at free agency, 213 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 4: I could see them targeting interior offensive line. When you 214 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 4: look at the draft, I could see them targeting interior 215 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 4: offensive line. We look at the trade market, we could 216 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 4: also target the interior of the offensive line. When the 217 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 4: draft's over and you want to bring us some extra 218 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 4: body will bring in some more interior offensive line. So 219 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: I mean that is that is that is priority A, 220 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: B and C, and it's providing overall depth of that 221 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 4: offensive line, having investing in a third tackle that you 222 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 4: really really like so that you're not you're covered. I 223 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 4: think if they if they have an offensive line that's 224 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 4: healthy and deep, because the tackles are two of the 225 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 4: best in football. So just healthy and deep along the interior, 226 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 4: having a third tackle out there that can withstand some injuries. 227 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 4: All these young guys, these skill guys on offense, these 228 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: first and second year players that they've drafted with Joe 229 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 4: Ortiz there are awesome Like McConkey. I think you'll see 230 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 4: him go to another level in this system. Quentin Johnson, 231 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 4: you know, for all the abuse he caught for you know, 232 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: some of the drops early on is a funcational, solid player. Yes, 233 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: Trey Harris, the rookie Ole Miss made some big catches. 234 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 4: A Ronde Gadsden is a talented rookie tight end. Omarion 235 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 4: Hampton could be one of the top five backs in 236 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 4: the league. These guys are all on rookie contracts. They 237 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 4: cost you nothing, So to me, it's really about just 238 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: getting this offensive line locked in, and then defensively, you've 239 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 4: got on corners. 240 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 5: Derwin's still playing an elite level. You've got to sign. 241 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 4: You know, you've got some free agents on the edge 242 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 4: with Oway and mac but they have plenty of space. 243 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 5: To do that. 244 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 4: Maybe a defensive tackle, you know, or two in freegency 245 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 4: of the draft. 246 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 5: But I don't know. 247 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 4: If I mentioned it, Colin, I would probably address the 248 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 4: interior of the offensive line absolutely. 249 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: And finally, just because somebody gets draft at number one 250 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're the best player. It's usually a quarterback 251 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: because it's a quarterback star of league. Is there a 252 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: best player in the draft, Like everybody talks rvil Reese 253 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: and my take is, well, the position he'll play in 254 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: the NFL may not be quite what he's doing now. 255 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: He's going to get bigger. It could be edge. 256 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: I look at Baine at Miami and I'm like, oh, 257 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: that's fully formed. That guy's going to walk in and play. 258 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: I think actually Miami's got an offensive lineman that feels 259 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: like you can put him at guard tackle like that 260 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: dude's going to start day one. I think that running 261 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: back from Notre Dame looks like that, like, oh, that 262 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: guy's gonna pop. Is there a guy if you just 263 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: said best player can't miss, because all quarterbacks can miss, 264 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: even the good ones early, who's the can't miss in 265 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: the draft? 266 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 4: Well, I mean i'd have love up there, you know, 267 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 4: the running back from Notre Dame. I still, you know, 268 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 4: normally I am true to the grade. So even if 269 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 4: you know, I know cam Ward is going to be 270 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 4: the first pick. He might be my fourth or fifth 271 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: player in the draft. So that's not you know, it's 272 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 4: rare that you kind of have the quarterback just in 273 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 4: this draft, because you know there's flaws in all of 274 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 4: these guys, you know, bans, not the prototypical you know, 275 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: you know, arm length and all the other stuff that 276 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: comes along with that that you can put holes in 277 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 4: all of them. To me and Mendoza, I'm like, he's 278 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 4: one of the years where I think he is the 279 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 4: best player in the draft of my opinion, and I 280 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 4: do think he is one of the safer picks in 281 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 4: this year's draft. 282 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 5: That's just kind of the way I look at it. 283 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 4: I don't know, I think you got to get really, 284 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 4: really nitpicky to poke holes in him. I think he's 285 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 4: got a chance to be a really good player, and 286 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 4: that's why I happened with my number one guy. 287 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so it's Fernando Mendoza Daniel. How does he compare 288 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: to Drake May? Is he in that class? Drake May's 289 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: more athletic. I mean, he's a better mover, But are 290 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: they kind of close? 291 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 4: I would have those three guys from that draft just 292 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 4: grade wise coming into the process over him. 293 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 5: So I had it Caleb Drake, Jayde and Daniels. 294 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 4: All three of those guys would carry a higher grade 295 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 4: than Mendoza. But in this draft class, there's nobody else 296 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 4: that I would put, you know, up there at other 297 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 4: positions higher than the level that he's at. 298 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 5: I don't think he's as natural as Drake. 299 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 4: Drake's just it was so athletic, and I mean and 300 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 4: just had just such a good feel for movement and 301 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 4: getting around things and making things happen. I don't think 302 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 4: he's quite I think he's a little more robotic, is 303 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: why I would describe Mendoza. 304 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. 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How about this? 351 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 8: Albert Breer believes Buffalo should target a wide receiver and 352 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 8: free agency, and the two names Brier mentioned Aresh Shahed 353 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 8: from the Super Bowl champs and Alex Pierce from the 354 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 8: Indianapolis Colts. Pierce is gonna get paid, for sure, somewhere, 355 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 8: maybe overpaid. 356 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 7: Where are you in Shahed or Pierce? Are they like Pierce? 357 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: I don't. 358 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 7: I feel like they're threes? They're not necessarily No. 359 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: I think Pierce is. I think Pierce is a two. 360 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: I would go after Pierce because I think you can 361 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: get sixty five to seventy five catches with Pierce. Rashid 362 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: Shaheed is a luxury player for the Seahawks because they 363 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: had a number one. I don't think he's not a 364 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: volume guy. He is a pop guy where he pops 365 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: a kick return, you get him down the sideline. Alec 366 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: Pierce is a good player. Chris badderd found him. I 367 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: think he was Cincinnati went to Indy. Good good player. 368 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: I like Alec Pierce. That would be a really solid 369 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: number two. They've already got the slot kid at Buffalo, 370 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: and I mean who knows. I mean, Keon Coleman may develop. 371 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson just developed for the Chargers developed, So what if? 372 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: What if Coleman develops into a good, solid number two 373 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: next to Pierce, who's a good solid two slot guys 374 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: of three? You got James Cook excellent tight ends. Maybe 375 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: you solve yoursh I don't. I think Alex Pierce a 376 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: good player, and. 377 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 8: Buffalo clearly needs a wide receiver in free agency at hell, 378 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 8: maybe the draft too, maybe the draft as well. All right, 379 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 8: let's move on to the Cleveland Browns. Colin the factory 380 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 8: of sadness in Cleveland. It is really bleak there, but 381 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 8: they've just hired Todd Munkin to replace Kevin Stefanski. 382 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 7: Brown's president Dave Jenkins, are you ready for this? 383 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 8: Yeah, he thinks people are kicking the Browns while they're down, 384 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 8: But listen to the whole thing. 385 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 9: Look, I think we're really easy to pick on right 386 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 9: now because we haven't been successful. We haven't established a 387 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 9: consistent run of success. But like any business, any industry, 388 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 9: the more data and information we can have accessible to 389 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 9: inform our decision making, we should be more successful. You've 390 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 9: got to find experts that know raster development, that you 391 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 9: know player development from a coaching perspective, and you've got 392 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 9: to let them operate. The culture can come from the 393 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 9: top of the organization, from the owner and the ethos 394 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 9: and what you want to be. But I think you've 395 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 9: got to find great people to build that roster, to 396 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 9: coach that roster, to drive the end result. 397 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: Well, he says, it's easy to pick on us. Well, yeah, 398 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: there's a reason it's not easy to pick on the 399 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: Seahawks or the Rams of the Niners. They make mistakes 400 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: at coach and quarterback repeatedly. So this is not the 401 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: market being out of touch. This is the Browns being 402 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: poorly run. 403 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, their last Division title was nineteen eighty nine. I mean, 404 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 8: I don't even know how to put that in perspective. 405 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 8: I think I was in elementary school nineteen eighty nine. 406 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 8: Of you were probably what Florida Vegas. I don't even 407 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 8: know that is an eternity. Of course, people are going 408 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 8: to make fun of the Browns. You want to make 409 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 8: fun of any team in the league. Obviously you make 410 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 8: fun of the Jets because I'm on the show. 411 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 7: But if a guy was a. 412 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 8: Cleveland Browns fan sitting here, you'd be knocking those guys 413 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 8: all the time. They are arguably the worst run franchise 414 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 8: in American professional sports, are they not? 415 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. 416 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: I mean I would say the Jets the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, 417 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: stops right about there. 418 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the bottom of the barrel. All right, final, 419 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 8: let's go to the NBA Colin. Obviously, All Star weekend 420 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 8: is ahead, which has everybody very exciting. 421 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 7: But first I got to ask about James Harden. 422 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 8: I'm very excited about what Hardin and Donovan Mitchell can 423 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 8: do in the back court. So against the Wizards, he 424 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 8: had eleven assists, only took four shots. Look at that 425 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 8: behind the back dime. Yeah, I mean as gorgeous. I'm 426 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 8: kind of a James Harden fan. However, he used the 427 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 8: L word here, and I think you're gonna be extremely 428 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 8: interested in it. 429 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 7: This is sixteen, and here's what he said about loyalty. 430 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 10: Is basketball and the whole quote unquote loyalty thing is 431 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 10: I think it's overrated. You know. I think this is 432 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 10: a business, and it's a lot of money involved and 433 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 10: a lot of decisions that has to be made if 434 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 10: a player isn't producing, or if you don't see him 435 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 10: the future, or you know, front office some of them 436 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 10: have to do like a job and want to keep 437 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 10: their job, you know, so they got to I feel 438 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 10: like they got to do us best for you know, 439 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 10: to keep their job, and they trade players or if 440 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 10: a guy isn't happy and he wants to be traded 441 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 10: to somewhere else, and it's a problem, not even just NBA, 442 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 10: but like people that have normal jobs have, you know, 443 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 10: have those same problems. It's just not magnified. 444 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 3: I tend to agree with him, Yes, I tend to agree. 445 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: Basketball has always been a little transient, a little transactional. 446 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I listen, James Harden's a Hall 447 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: of Famer, I I don't think he's necessarily a winning player. 448 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: He would push back on that, but I mean he's 449 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: been given like seven opportunities with great teammates and it 450 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: always flames out. So I think, I think what you 451 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: think of Harden is fair. I do think he's a 452 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: better I think do they show this pass? I always 453 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: think James, he's got really good hands. He can be 454 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: a really good distributor if he wants to. He's super skilled. 455 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no doubting he is a all time 456 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: great offensive player. 457 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 3: But he doesn't. 458 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: You know, I'm always like, if you don't care on 459 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: the defensive end, it's like I'm critical of Luca or Carmelo. 460 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: I know they're Hall of famers, but when you don't 461 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: care as a star on the defensive end, I think 462 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: it leaks and bleeds through the organization. 463 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 8: I mean, you say he's not a winning player, and 464 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 8: that's I would just say in the postseason, he has 465 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 8: had a lot of flop who can in the regular season, 466 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 8: he's amazing. That's like Philip Rivers' career. Philip Rivers in 467 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 8: the regular season was lights out. What do you do 468 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 8: in the playoffs? Like again, like James Harden led the 469 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 8: league in scoring assists, Like, he's a really good player. 470 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 3: I'm not doubting that he's an excellent player. 471 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 7: So, like, this is his sixth franchise, right, and all 472 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 7: these people are like, oh, he's played for six different teams. 473 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 8: Colin, how many jobs have you had, by the way, 474 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 8: in your career, because we know the NBA careers, maybe 475 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 8: fifteen years, maybe seventeen. I mean, I've had more than 476 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 8: six jobs you've had. Why are people putting it picking 477 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:09,239 Speaker 8: Harden about this? 478 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: Well, I mean generally a basketball career is fifteen years. 479 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: Mine's going to be forty five. So if you have 480 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: it's all relative. I mean, I think if you have 481 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: an NBA career, you become what I often call on 482 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: the show a bounce around the league guy. And Steph 483 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: Curry doesn't bounce around the league because Golden State's never 484 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: letting him go. Lebron bounced around on his term. Yeah, 485 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: the people have been worn out by James, and relative 486 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: to how gifted he is, he shouldn't have bounced around 487 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: that much. He's what you'd hope if he played defense, 488 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: he wouldn't be bounced. He wouldn't have left Houston. That's 489 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: where he would have stayed well. 490 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 8: Again, in the history of the league, a lot of 491 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 8: guys have been bounced around the league. Guys, I mean hell, 492 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 8: other than like Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry, there's a 493 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 8: handful of guys who only played for one franchise. You know, 494 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 8: the stars they tend to, I mean, Patrick Ewing, kim Olaja. 495 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 8: A lot of these guys didn't end where they were 496 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 8: major stars. 497 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 7: So I don't know. 498 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 8: I can't believe I'm defending James Harden here. Maybe I'm 499 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 8: trying to get an invite to his next birthday party 500 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 8: at one of these jiggle joints that he goes to. 501 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: But uh sounds like j Mack with the news. 502 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 503 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: Herd line. 504 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: We get tomorrow's headlines today. 505 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 506 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 2: at noon Eastern nn am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 507 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 508 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: Well a day early, first things first, around the Corner, 509 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: we get a day early version of tomorrow's headlines today. Jamack, 510 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: NFL seasons closed out, the NBA season is heating up? 511 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: Are you ready, my friend? 512 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 7: I'm a little nervous Colin, this is a tough, tough week. 513 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 7: Let's see all right, you see these. 514 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: Tomorrow's headlines today, friction time all will be the headline 515 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: for the sea Hawks next season. 516 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 8: Okay, so again next season, we haven't seen the draft, 517 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 8: we got the combine, free agency, a lot to happen, 518 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 8: but the headline for the Seattle Seahawks next season will 519 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 8: be Seattle got a lot day learning to do. Okay, 520 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 8: as of now, what are we February twelfth? 521 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 7: Something like that. 522 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 8: I have the Seahawks missing the playoffs next year. Now, 523 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 8: I know you're gonna fall out of your chair, but 524 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 8: just hear me out. This Clint Kubiak situation is gonna 525 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 8: be big, Colin. Again, we don't know who's gonna be 526 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 8: the replacement, but we just saw the impact that Ben 527 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 8: Johnson had in Detroit. 528 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 7: Massive drop off. Then we talked about it. 529 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 8: Three guys in the secondary free agents, Shaheed, Kenneth Walker, 530 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 8: A lot of question marks out there. Obviously, Sam Darnold 531 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 8: is a big one. He succeeded a lot with Kubiak. 532 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 8: Is it gonna work with the new guy? 533 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 7: I don't know? 534 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 8: And Colin, then we go to the old schedule. Okay, 535 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 8: first place schedule. Ten of seattle seventeen opponents were in 536 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 8: the playoffs last year. Here are these road games at 537 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 8: the Eagles at Denver. They also have to go to 538 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 8: Washington in Carolina. If you're keeping track at home, that's 539 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 8: three trips from Seattle to the East Coast. Next season, 540 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 8: at home, it's not as difficult to schedule, but they 541 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 8: do face mahomes Herbert the Bears. Patriots like it's it 542 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 8: and Seattle. 543 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 7: Was not a layup at home this season. 544 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 8: They were not automatic as in years past, the schedule, 545 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 8: the offensive coordinator leaving. I think as of now they 546 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 8: will miss the playoffs next season. 547 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: Okay, that's a take tomorrow's headlines today. How about the 548 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: Super Bowl losers the Patriots next season? 549 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 8: Well, you know I'm down on Drake mayn company given 550 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 8: that postseason run where they got lucky and face bad 551 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 8: backup quarterback there at the end. The headline for the 552 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 8: New England Patriots next season will be easy Drake oven 553 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 8: Pat's cook up another playoff appearance. I've got him in 554 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 8: the wildcard for now. I do want to see what 555 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 8: happens in free agency. I do think they'll do enough 556 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 8: to get into the wildcard Listen May will regress a 557 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 8: little bit. He ain't gonna complete seventy two percent of 558 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 8: his passes be number one in EPA runner up MVP. 559 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 7: That's not happening again. 560 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 8: I think we would agree on that, right, but the 561 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 8: continuity remains McDaniels vrabel I like that. I think, as 562 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 8: you said, they've got to do some upgreats, Colin. I 563 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 8: look at these this road schedule for the Patriots and 564 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 8: again schedules, we'll see what. 565 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 7: Happens around the league. 566 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 8: At Chicago, at the Chargers, at Seattle, at Jacksonville. 567 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 7: That's four teams that made the playoffs. 568 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 8: They're not going to face six rookie quarterbacks like they 569 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 8: did last year six last season they won six to 570 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 8: zero rookie quarterbacks. As of now, they will face it 571 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 8: looks like Mendoza is going to be the only rookie 572 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 8: could be a rookie with the Jets. They may get 573 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 8: lucky and Quinn viewers as an opponent. So I think, 574 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 8: you know, theyn't make the playoffs, but barely as of now. 575 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: Tomorrow's headlines today super Bowl sixty one. 576 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 3: What do you see again? 577 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 8: We're eleven months out and I got a little creative 578 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 8: with this one. The headline for Super Bowls sixty one 579 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 8: will be the city of end zones LA and LA 580 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 8: stuck in super Bowl traffic and interesting. 581 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 7: Yes, I'm going Rams Chargers, Colin. 582 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 8: I think the Rams are the best team in the 583 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 8: league heading into the offseason, and I think the Chargers 584 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 8: had the biggest upgrade adding McDaniel as the ROC. You 585 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 8: just heard Daniel Jeremiah. All they need is interior alignment, 586 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 8: Like that's the big need. Obviously, Mentor going getting ahead 587 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 8: job and leaving is a big loss. But they get 588 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 8: the best. They're great tackles back on both sides. I 589 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 8: like the scope position, guys. I love McDaniel. I think 590 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 8: the Chargers are like a twelve win team next year. 591 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy Rams Chargers. We had a 592 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: Mets Yankee Subway series. I don't think it's crazy. Tomorrow's 593 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: headlines today, What will be the headline for the NBA 594 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: All Star Game? 595 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, I know you're fired up. I can tell very 596 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 7: locked in on this one. 597 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 8: It's tough because there's like the world, there's the old guys, 598 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 8: the young guys. Everybody's confused. They just named Dearon Fox's substitute. 599 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 8: They're like, which team. 600 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 7: Is on We're giving a shot. 601 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 8: The headline for the NBA All Star Game will be 602 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 8: shooting Stars Globe. 603 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 7: Gets trotted by youth. 604 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 8: I cannot believe they put Belichick and his girlfriend. That's brutal, 605 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 8: but nicely done. I'm going with the young guys, Colin. 606 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 8: I do believe, as Kevin Garnett or sorry, Kevin Durant 607 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 8: articulated earlier, the Euros they don't want to play, no defense. Personally, 608 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 8: I don't think Luke is gonna play. We know Jannis 609 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 8: will not play. Like what effort is Yokich gonna give? 610 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 8: So I'm discounting the Euros. I actually think the young 611 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 8: team Anthony Edwards, Kate Cunningham, Jalen Johnson. 612 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 7: What did we see last year in the playoffs, Colin, 613 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 7: the young teams with young. 614 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 8: Players, they got after it, they defended full court, they care. 615 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 8: I think they take down the old guys, the old heads, 616 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 8: as Kevin Durant called them, and I like the young 617 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 8: guys to win the All Star Game. 618 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 3: Finally, tomorrow's headlines. 619 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: Today, give me an All Star Game MVP J Max. 620 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 8: So I want a little macro here just because I 621 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 8: have a fun take on this. The headline for the 622 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 8: MVP of the NBA All Star Game will be your 623 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 8: favorite Aunt Edwards leaps right over unk. Anthony Edwards is 624 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 8: my pick for All Star Game MVP and Colin. It's 625 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 8: because there's something going on in Minnesota. I don't know 626 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 8: how closely you've paid attention to what's happening, but they 627 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 8: tried to trade everybody for Yannis a couple of weeks ago, 628 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 8: and everybody knows it, and there's some dogging going on 629 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 8: in Minnesota, like they're not as locked in. 630 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 7: Some of these guys are like, oh, you were trying 631 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 7: to trade me, It didn't happen. 632 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 8: Am I going to get shipped in the off season 633 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 8: to get Yannis? And they're not putting forth the effort. 634 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 8: Rudy Gobert's popping off. It's ugly. So my guess is 635 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 8: Anthony Edwards senses that, and as a leader, he goes 636 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 8: into All Star weekend to make a statement. I can 637 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 8: carry our guys. Come on, folks, get on my back. 638 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 8: We can do this and listen. Anthony Edwards is a 639 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 8: great player. You hat him as a face of a league. 640 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 8: I think two years ago and I think he has 641 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 8: a monster All Star weekend. 642 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some alterai this past draft. You know, we 643 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: say this, it was really it was remarkable this past 644 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: draft and next year's draft maybe better at the top. 645 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a Cooper flag in it, 646 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: but you know, if Darren Peterson, you know, he's perfect 647 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: for the NBA. He occasionally shows up in plays. 648 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 3: Tipit right into the NBA. 649 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: No, I mean, people make so much of that kid 650 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: at Kansas like cramps and other people play through cramps, 651 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: and it's not ideal, it's not perfect, but this is 652 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: not the NFL. Like you can't go to the seventh 653 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: round and find rock pretty like you're out of players. 654 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: Usually by about the fourteenth or fifteenth pick, you're going 655 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: to draft a kid that talented, he's going. 656 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: To get picked. 657 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: My guest, Boozer is really good as well. Peterson. My 658 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: guest goes one or two. I mean, you know we've 659 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: freaked out when Christian McCaffrey skipped a Sun Bowl. When 660 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: you're transcendent talent, I don't care what it is. Just 661 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 1: take him figure it out later, all right, see you tomorrow. 662 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: It's the hurt