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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back. I'm Ryan Recker, joining us for the

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Speaker 2: next couple of hours. Guess I'm really interested in learning

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Speaker 2: more about our research at the Institute for Noetics Sciences.

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Speaker 2: He's also an adjunct assistant professor at the Department in

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Speaker 2: Neurology in Oregon Health in Science University. Doctor Helena Wambay,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us this night.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Ryan, It's wonderful to be here with you today.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to get an idea of what your

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Speaker 2: job is like, and I know that you have the

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Speaker 2: connection to the university. And when I think about channeling

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Speaker 2: at a university, I think about Bill Murray at the

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Speaker 2: start of Ghostbusters and he has the two students there

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Speaker 2: and he's holding up different symbols to see if they

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Speaker 2: can read the card, and if they get it wrong,

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Speaker 2: he's zapps them. Is that what you do?

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Speaker 1: That's a great image. I love that. So at the

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Speaker 1: Institute of Noetic Sciences, we do a lot of different experiments,

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Speaker 1: but not quite like Bill Murray did. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think what he was doing was a zener card

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Speaker 1: and we definitely don't do shocks or a punishment if

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Speaker 1: you get it wrong. It was different though, Well yes,

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Speaker 1: So you know, we have a lot of really wonderful

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Speaker 1: studies going on right now, but one in particular I

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Speaker 1: can share about telepathy or mind to mind communication. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've experienced this, Ryan, where you

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Speaker 1: get a mental image and you're like, oh, I need

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Speaker 1: to call so and so right away, and then you

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Speaker 1: call them and you find out that they were in

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Speaker 1: trouble or something was going on with them, or you

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Speaker 1: get this, you know, just download of information and you

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Speaker 1: have no clue where it came from, but then it

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Speaker 1: turned out to be connected to a friend or a

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Speaker 1: loved one, or maybe your telephone rang and it was

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Speaker 1: before you had poller ID and you're like, okay, I

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Speaker 1: totally know who's calling me. So these are various ways

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Speaker 1: that people experience telepathy just spontaneously in the day to day,

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Speaker 1: and so we're studying that formally in the lab. So

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Speaker 1: we're and this is actually an ongoing study, So if

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Speaker 1: anyone who's listening has experienced this, please get in touch

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Speaker 1: with us. We're looking for pairs of bonded people emotionally

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Speaker 1: bonded people who have had this type of experience and

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Speaker 1: so you know, we haven't fell out questionnaires and gets

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Speaker 1: more information about what their experience is like. And then

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Speaker 1: we have them do an experiment online with Zoom where

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Speaker 1: we invite one of the pairs, let's call it person A.

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Speaker 1: We ask person A to send positive intention for its

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Speaker 1: person B and they're completely in separate Zoom rooms and

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Speaker 1: we you know, show the video so that we can

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Speaker 1: tell they aren't cheating, and they aren't, you know, the

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Speaker 1: person's not in the room with them, or they aren't

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Speaker 1: using their phone, and person AS is either sending their

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Speaker 1: intention or they're calculating. They're subtracting by three starting with

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Speaker 1: starting at one hundred, and then person B has to

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Speaker 1: guess are they sending me positive intention or not? And

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Speaker 1: so we do ten trials like this, and then we

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Speaker 1: switch and person B gets to be the intender versus

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Speaker 1: doing the maths. So this has been a really fascinating

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Speaker 1: study because we have many, many pairs of peace people

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Speaker 1: is positively intending towards them. Wow.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because you talk about this connection

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Speaker 2: you have out of nowhere. You get something in your

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Speaker 2: mind that says I should reach out to that person,

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Speaker 2: and often you hear that it's too late, Meaning you

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Speaker 2: may have someone that you are close to pass away

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Speaker 2: and you'll hear someone else say I was just thinking

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Speaker 2: stories like that all the time. And you mentioned that

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Speaker 2: sometimes these people are bonded together. Do you find that

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Speaker 2: you have these sort of intuitions, these thoughts with people

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Speaker 2: you're bonded to, or can you be bonded to anyone?

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Speaker 1: I think we can be emotionally connected to anyone, and

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Speaker 1: yet it's stronger for people who we have an emotional

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Speaker 1: tie to. So let me let me say that in

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Speaker 1: a different way at ions. You know, we have this

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Speaker 1: premise that everybody is interconnected and connected in some way,

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Speaker 1: and so at some basic level we're hypothesizing that. Say

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Speaker 1: yet me and my mother might have a much easier

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Speaker 1: time doing that task than you and I would, even

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Speaker 1: though you and I may also be connected at that

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Speaker 2: Interesting. You know, when I go to the website and

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Speaker 2: I was looking at noetic dot org and one of

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Speaker 2: the things you mentioned, there's twenty nine different terms for channeling.

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Speaker 2: When you started to research it, it was all called

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Speaker 2: different things. What else might we know this by? What

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Speaker 1: H This was a total can of worms when I

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Speaker 1: first started working at the Institute of Noetic Sciences or ions,

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Speaker 1: because what I knew is channeling. You know, people were

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Speaker 1: we're all interconnected. So we also have this hypothesis that

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Speaker 1: all humans have the ability to tap into noedic wisdom

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Speaker 1: or inner wisdom, to have this ability to access information

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Speaker 1: and energy from beyond time and space. And the way

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Speaker 1: people could just call that intuition. But then on the

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Speaker 1: other side of this spectrum you have more rare experiences

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Speaker 1: like mediumship where mediums believe that they can communicate with

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Speaker 1: deceased people, and trance channelers which is what people often

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Speaker 1: think about when they hear the word channeling. Trans Channelers

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Speaker 1: believe that their body can be used as a vehicle

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Speaker 1: ascended master who knows. People have lots of ideas about

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Speaker 1: what the source of that trance channeling is, and then

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Speaker 1: get information from dreams. There's quite very diverse experiences of

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Speaker 1: all of that channeling, but it's also called extrasensory perception

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Speaker 1: of channeling. But then you can look at that trance

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Speaker 1: personally very interested in exploring.

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Speaker 2: So what are some of the more I don't want

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Speaker 1: So I've been doing a number of studies on channeling

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Speaker 1: So that was a really wonderful study. We've looked at

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Speaker 1: the most far out, which is what I'm really into now,

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Speaker 1: is there are so many more trance channelers who believe

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Speaker 1: And so I saw this popping up all over the place,

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Speaker 1: so I just finished a formal study looking at trance

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Speaker 1: And we ended up with like six thousand pages of

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Speaker 1: and we compared it to Euphodex, which was created by

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Speaker 1: the main difference was, you know, the channeled content was

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Speaker 1: and yet there are a lot of other pieces that

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, how do you cross out, let's say, old

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Speaker 2: Star Trek episodes? So there's things in pop culture that

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Speaker 2: And how do you know they're just not repeating something

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Speaker 1: That's a great question. And in this particular case, we

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Speaker 1: And so that's why I'm doing this follow up study,

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Speaker 1: and then we can do a sophisticated semantic analysis to

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Speaker 1: for the Grays and the Arcturians, and Thenromedins and the Antarians.

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Speaker 1: So watching Star Trek is not going to give you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, influenced by that, but people are strange. I've noticed

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Speaker 2: that pretty much. It's relative to yourself. Everyone else is strange.

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Speaker 1: It's not me.

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Speaker 2: But when you hook them up to the EKG, can

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Speaker 1: So the way that was EEG is the brain wave

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Speaker 1: right there on the monitor. You have to analyze the data.

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Speaker 1: But we did see some interesting differences from channeling to

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Speaker 1: a mind wandering task in the connectivity. So the way

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Speaker 1: that the brain was connected to itself was different during

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Speaker 1: the channeling state versus the non channeling state, which was

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Speaker 1: really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you ever wonder why did these aliens want

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Speaker 2: to communicate with us? Do you have all these different

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Speaker 2: intergalactic races of aliens? Is there a common thread why

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Speaker 2: they're trying to connect to us?

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Speaker 1: Yes? And so I want to just clarify though, because

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Speaker 1: I can't definitively prove right now if these trance channelers

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Speaker 1: are really channeling ET's so I'll just give that caveat there.

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Speaker 1: My scientists hat demands that I say that, because I

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Speaker 1: can't prove that unless they show up in my room

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Speaker 1: and say, oh here I am. I was the one

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Speaker 1: that was communicating in that way. I can't really I

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Speaker 1: can't really definitively prove the source of those trans channelers,

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Speaker 1: but I do find it quite interesting the answers that

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Speaker 1: are given and the one that you're asking about right now,

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Speaker 1: it's very focused on awakening of humanity, that Earth is

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Speaker 1: not alone, that it's getting ready to be welcomed into

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Speaker 1: the kind of broader galactic neighborhood.

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