WEBVTT - How Crack Works

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know from House Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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<v Speaker 1>and Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, Jerry's over there,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, this is stuff you should know. Jerry just

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<v Speaker 1>waved like she's waving at the audience of this anger.

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<v Speaker 1>She's waving to the world. It's a little weird. She

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<v Speaker 1>may be on something. Uh, Josh, you know what's whack? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>The Zach Attack from Saved by the Bell. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what it is. You don't know what's Saved

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<v Speaker 1>by the Bell is what's wrong with No? I know

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<v Speaker 1>that I know what that show is, but I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of the Zach Attack. It's just Zach being Zach. Gotcha?

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<v Speaker 1>That is whack? Yeah, well, never mind. I thought Crack

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<v Speaker 1>was whack, but the Zach Attack is truly wack. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I disagree. I was gonna say, no, it's not right,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's actually a pretty good show. But okay, Crack

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<v Speaker 1>his whack. This we're like imminent up in here. We're

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<v Speaker 1>what we're like eminem up in here. Yeah, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>so refer to Hip Hop episode now. No, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>saying people that they're confused about why we sound so

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<v Speaker 1>stilted and square. Just go listen to hip hop and

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<v Speaker 1>that explains everything. People like that one. Surprisingly, Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. Man. We got a good email from

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<v Speaker 1>me or a Facebook post from a graffiti artist. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff. I can't remember his tag, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like really nice. But he was complimenting us or he

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<v Speaker 1>was just saying hey. No, he's like, hey, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>graffiti artist and here's my my work. And uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>was very impressed. And he is not on crack, no,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's not whack right exactly, So Chuck, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a little, uh, a little intro. Great, just if you'll

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<v Speaker 1>bear with me. And the year was okay, I was fourteen. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it when you p b g very early

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<v Speaker 1>on UM cocaine, which is a drug that had been

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<v Speaker 1>sweeping the nation for about ten years by then. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>uh was up to a hundred and fifty dollars a graham.

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<v Speaker 1>That's thanks to the demand um and the available income

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<v Speaker 1>of its well healed yuppie users who are willing to

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<v Speaker 1>spend that kind of money on it. It's very much

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<v Speaker 1>an expensive, white, upwardly mobile person's drug. Cocaine run. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were at the time articles that kind of said,

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<v Speaker 1>cocaine's probably not that addictive. We shouldn't worry that much

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<v Speaker 1>about cocaine. It's not a very big deal. It was mostly,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, a white drug. That same year, a

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<v Speaker 1>new drug hit the scene. It was cheap, five to

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<v Speaker 1>ten bucks pop. It gave you a very quick, very

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<v Speaker 1>intense high, short lived, and it swept through lower income

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<v Speaker 1>African American areas of the United States, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden we had a problem, an epidemic. Yes, because

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<v Speaker 1>it was cocaine in a different form. Yeah, the country

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<v Speaker 1>went crazy for it. And not only was it cocaine

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<v Speaker 1>in a different form, it was cocaine being used by

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<v Speaker 1>a different demographic that, as we'll see, America has always

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<v Speaker 1>been threatened by and always made legislation to damp and

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<v Speaker 1>drug use among Yeah, it's pretty interesting when you dig

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<v Speaker 1>into this stuff. And so when people started to get worried,

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Reagan became concerned. And when Nancy Reagan became concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>as as usual, she started to lie. And we will

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<v Speaker 1>we will get into what allegedly might have happened and

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<v Speaker 1>why crack might have been introduced in this country because

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<v Speaker 1>some people think it was the U. S. Government straight

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<v Speaker 1>up c I A. Yeah, that's a really um good point.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you're referring to is UM Garry Webb's Dark

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<v Speaker 1>Alliance article. Yeah, series of articles in our book from

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<v Speaker 1>I believe. Garry Webb was an investigative journalist for the

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<v Speaker 1>San Jose Mercury News, and Um, they had a front

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<v Speaker 1>page story where he basically figured out the connection between

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA and the crack epidemic that started in I

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<v Speaker 1>think in Los Angeles south central. It was a dude

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<v Speaker 1>named Freeway Ricky Ross, who's still around I think, yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>And he was the largest cocaine distributor UH African American

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<v Speaker 1>cocaine distributor in l A. He was big time, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, out of nowhere, he had a

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<v Speaker 1>new product called crack and it became very popular, very quickly. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and Gary Webb in trace the origin of this epidemic

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<v Speaker 1>back to through Ricky Ross, back to some Nicaraguan freedom

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<v Speaker 1>fighting guerrillas that were backed and trained and possibly commanded

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<v Speaker 1>by the CIA. We're getting into this, so we just

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and dive in. Yeah, do you want to? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not? Um? All right, here's the deal. In Nicaragua,

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<v Speaker 1>Central American country. UM, in the nineteen thirties, man named

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<v Speaker 1>Anastasio uh Samosa took power, and then about forty years later,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy nine, the people revolted, um overthrew him,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were called the Sandinistas. Yes, so you know

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<v Speaker 1>the whole Contra Sandinista war in Nicaragua that raged in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies and eighties, that's what we're talking about. And

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<v Speaker 1>the Sandinista's um, we're a communist and that didn't fly

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<v Speaker 1>so well with the US, who would long cherished Nicaragua

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<v Speaker 1>for their farmland and like to have a toe in

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<v Speaker 1>their pond, so to speak. And so communists and there

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<v Speaker 1>didn't fly. And so they said, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe we should fund the contrast maybe give them

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of financial assistance. Yeah, And the contrasts

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<v Speaker 1>weren't just one group. They were it was like an

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<v Speaker 1>umbrella term for any democratic or um an anti communist

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<v Speaker 1>group that was trying to paramilitarily overthrow the socialist leadership

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<v Speaker 1>in Nicaragua. That's right. So we decided to help fund

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<v Speaker 1>their civil war. And UM, the problem was that there

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a lot of dough like that we could say, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's use this money to do this. Because it was

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<v Speaker 1>a secret war. There was no congressional approval. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a proxy war with the Soviet Union at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So some allege that this is when um, the Reagan

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<v Speaker 1>administration and the CIA got together to literally introduce cocaine

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<v Speaker 1>dealers in cocaine H two South Central and crack cocaine

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<v Speaker 1>to spread throughout the ghettos, to raise money and use

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<v Speaker 1>that money to fund the contrast. Right, So here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like that was never proven and Gary Webb never ever

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<v Speaker 1>said he did not He didn't say that the government

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<v Speaker 1>directly introduced it on purpose or with the aim of

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<v Speaker 1>creating an epidemic in the ghetto. He found connections between

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA and drug lords, specifically Ricky Ross on one end,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the CIA backed impossibly commanded UM, the Nicaraguan

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Force, the this contra force. UM, it's so their

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<v Speaker 1>their business. Their group was funded entirely from cocaine sales

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<v Speaker 1>in trafficking, and they all went to this guy, Ricky Ross.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's no way that the CIA didn't know about this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were at the time, well we'll get back

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<v Speaker 1>to web in a second. But UM, in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>there was you know, when the whole Iron Contra thing

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<v Speaker 1>broke out, there was the Carry Committee who did some investigating.

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<v Speaker 1>The Carry Committee report, UH from John Cary. Obviously, UM

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<v Speaker 1>found that quote the Contra drug links included payments to

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<v Speaker 1>drug traffickers by the U. S. State Department funds authorized

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<v Speaker 1>by the Congress for humanitarian assistance to the contrash. And

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<v Speaker 1>then later on there was an internal CIA investigation in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties where they found that there is no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that UM, the CIA actually brought drugs into the United States. UM. However,

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<v Speaker 1>and these these royal quotes. However, during the Contra era,

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA worked with a variety of people to support

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<v Speaker 1>the Contract program, and let me be frank, there are

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<v Speaker 1>instances where the CIA did not in an expeditious or

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<v Speaker 1>consistent fashion cut off relationships with individuals supporting the contract

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<v Speaker 1>program who are alleged to have engaged in drug trafficking activity.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, the internal investigation said, well, there might have

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<v Speaker 1>been some people, we were dealing with it, we're doing this,

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<v Speaker 1>and as it turns out, we didn't really do much

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Right, So, as far as you can go

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<v Speaker 1>without hyperbole, and it's still pretty shocking. Sure, the CIA backed, trained,

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<v Speaker 1>and possibly commanded UM at least one guerrilla group, the

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<v Speaker 1>Nicaraguan Democratic Force and the Nicaraguan Democratic Force the f

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<v Speaker 1>d n UM sold cocaine to Freeway Ricky Ross. Freeway

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky Ross is where the crack epidemic originated. And so

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<v Speaker 1>just to finish up with web though Um, after he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote this Dark Alliance series, he was shunned by mainstream

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<v Speaker 1>press in the United States. Sadly, all three of the

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<v Speaker 1>major newspapers. Um, you know, the l A Times, New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times, and I guess was that Washington Post came

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<v Speaker 1>out and it was not only shun they like tried

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<v Speaker 1>to discredit him. Oh yeah, they wrote articles they put

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<v Speaker 1>um seventeen reporters in twenty words to a three day

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<v Speaker 1>rebuttal of Dark Alliance. That was the the l A Times. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Rather than pick up the story, they tried to demolish it.

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<v Speaker 1>And Webb New York Times um suggested he was a

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<v Speaker 1>reckless reporter prone to getting his facts wrong. He already

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<v Speaker 1>had wanted pull a surprise at this point, I think

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<v Speaker 1>for something else, and Um the Mercury News defended it

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<v Speaker 1>for a little while and then backed off and apologized.

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<v Speaker 1>He ended up quitting and committed a very weird suicide

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<v Speaker 1>in which he shot himself in the head twice. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows. Obviously, if you get on the internet, there

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<v Speaker 1>are tons of outlets that say, well, obviously it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a suicide. It was a murder. Um so who knows

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<v Speaker 1>about that? Other other people have said no, it does

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<v Speaker 1>look kinky, but the first shot wasn't fatal and he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to do it twice. Who knows. Draw your

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<v Speaker 1>own conclusions. It's some raw nerve right there. But he

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that there were people like, you know, he saw

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<v Speaker 1>what he thought were c i A. People like climbing

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<v Speaker 1>up his fire escape and stuff the previous days. And

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<v Speaker 1>who knows. All I'm saying is they're making a movie

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<v Speaker 1>about it with Jeremy Renner this summer. Oh is that right? Great? Good?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad he I ran across him when I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>an article on America's Army. Jeremy Renner. Yeah, he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>an expose a America's army. Is this Uh it's a

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<v Speaker 1>video game and it's basically like a training game for

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<v Speaker 1>the army where you can play this free game. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but you sign up to be contacted. If you're any

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<v Speaker 1>good at it, the Army contacts you. And he did this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a recruiting tool through video games. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Army categorically denied that's what it was. But that's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>what it was. And Gary Gary Webb, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>last expose as was on that, and you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>should mention that today all three of those major news

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<v Speaker 1>outlets all say, boy, we kind of got that one wrong. Yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't have done that. Maybe we shouldn't have driven

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Webb to his possible suicide. Um. So, so Gary

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<v Speaker 1>Webb did all this investigation, did all this leg We're

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<v Speaker 1>canning connect to the dots pretty well, but there's still

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<v Speaker 1>this maddening question of tantalizing question, who invented crack? It

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<v Speaker 1>came out of nowhere? And so to kind of answer that,

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<v Speaker 1>which we can't, Um, you have to look at how

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<v Speaker 1>crack is made, and look at how crack is made.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to go back a lot further than the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to go back to the eight and eighties

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<v Speaker 1>and actually a little further before then, when cocaine first

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<v Speaker 1>was introduced to the United States after it was isolated.

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<v Speaker 1>The alkaloid was isolated from the coca plant in the

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<v Speaker 1>mid nineteenth century. Yeah, and that's when it was isolated

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<v Speaker 1>in I mean for centuries. People in South America were

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<v Speaker 1>wise to the fact that if you chew on this plant,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll give you some go juice. You didn't work more, yea,

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<v Speaker 1>and people still chew the heck out of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was it was no secret to the South Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you said, it was the mid eighteen eighties

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<v Speaker 1>when it was actually isolated and UM became a narcotic,

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<v Speaker 1>an abused narcotic drug. Right. But first UM you could

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<v Speaker 1>buy it all over the place. You could order it

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<v Speaker 1>through catalogs. UM you can, doctors could prescribe it. Sigmund

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<v Speaker 1>Freud was an ardent prescriber of it um and it

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<v Speaker 1>was a very popular drug found in tonic cocacola for real,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a myth. Um and cocaine was. Everybody loved

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<v Speaker 1>it for a while, ye until well not until they

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<v Speaker 1>still loved it and still do today, I imagine. But

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fourteen it was made illegal with the Harrison

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<v Speaker 1>Narcotics Tax Act and UM right, which do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>I said earlier that like everything like this, crack has

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<v Speaker 1>a real history of um. It shows the history of

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<v Speaker 1>racism in regards to drug laws. So the Harrison Narcotic

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<v Speaker 1>Act Um outlawed opiates and cocaine for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, and it was based on concerns

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<v Speaker 1>like Chinaman were luring white women there were to their

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<v Speaker 1>to their dens of iniquity in open Chinatown through opium

0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:59.320
<v Speaker 1>and Uh, Southern blacks were sniffing cocaine and it gave

0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.600
<v Speaker 1>them super him and strength, and they were raping white

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<v Speaker 1>women as a result. So those those two things were past,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have federal legislation from as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>those kind of fears. And if you kind of if

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<v Speaker 1>you keep that in the back of your mind and

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<v Speaker 1>then pay attention to the drug policy that comes out

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<v Speaker 1>later on from crack, you'll it's been going on since

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<v Speaker 1>then and it continues to today. Are you saying a

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<v Speaker 1>pattern emerges, a pattern emerges? So, UH, cocaine is um.

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<v Speaker 1>Cocaine powder is you have to actually manufacture it. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't find a cocoa plant and like not shake it

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<v Speaker 1>and shake it and white powder falls out. It makes

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<v Speaker 1>like a tinkling sound of the way. Uh. It is

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<v Speaker 1>made by dissolving the paste, the cocoa paste um in

0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.680
<v Speaker 1>a mixture of hydrochloric acid and water. Then you had

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<v Speaker 1>some potassium salt separate out the bad junk, maybe had

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<v Speaker 1>a little ammonia, and then the powder is separated out

0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and you've got cocaine powder cocaine and from there you

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<v Speaker 1>can sniff it. You can add a little water to

0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.720
<v Speaker 1>it and inject it. Yeah, or you can something called

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<v Speaker 1>free base. Yeah. I never quite understood what free base was.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was. I thought free basing was a thing.

0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.160
<v Speaker 1>It is, yeah, but free base is also and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a noun aniverb Okay, so you free base, free base.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you see, I've been doing it wrong. You verb

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<v Speaker 1>the down So he've been doing this stuff doesn't work.

0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what everybody's so excited about. Um. So

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<v Speaker 1>with free base, you take cocaine and you add something

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<v Speaker 1>highly flammable, say ether um, and you after you dissolved

0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.600
<v Speaker 1>the the cocaine in an ammonia, you add ether to it.

0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Then you smoke it. But you're smoking something that has

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<v Speaker 1>like a highly flammable solution involved. To Richard, Parker. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>in night when he was filming Busting Loose, he caught

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<v Speaker 1>himself on fire because he was he was smoking free Base.

0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.200
<v Speaker 1>He was smoking free Base and drinking one if do

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<v Speaker 1>you want proof rome one night and I think he

0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.040
<v Speaker 1>was doing it in his garage to which so it

0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.520
<v Speaker 1>was unventilated and he caught fire. Yeah, but you know what,

0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.520
<v Speaker 1>there's also reports that he set himself on fire on purpose,

0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.080
<v Speaker 1>that he poured the stuff all over his head and

0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.760
<v Speaker 1>lit a match. Oh, we went a little little self immolation. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that may be the right story. Now. I

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<v Speaker 1>just saw a documentary on him, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they say. I'm so glad you just corrected me

0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:31.000
<v Speaker 1>mid podcasts. Do you have any emails you prevent? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that was the long stories that he free based,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he even came out later and said like, yeah,

0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I was free basing, but I also purposely set myself

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<v Speaker 1>on fire in the ravages of a free basing binge. Okay,

0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.520
<v Speaker 1>so free basing it was a thing, at least as early,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was it was difficult to do multi step

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<v Speaker 1>process and you needed something like ether. Ether is not

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<v Speaker 1>the easiest thing to get your hands on and dangerous obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>sure um. But there was a way to smoke cocaine,

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<v Speaker 1>and free base was the way to do it, but

0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:09.600
<v Speaker 1>that never really got a big foothold in any demographic

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<v Speaker 1>in the country. It was just kind of a thing

0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.960
<v Speaker 1>that some people like Richard Pryor did right looking for

0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.720
<v Speaker 1>a more intense high. I guess then all of a sudden, mysteriously,

0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.639
<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere, there is crack cocaine. Yeah, crack is

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<v Speaker 1>also manufactured UM, but it doesn't require something like either

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<v Speaker 1>or anything flammable. UM. You dissolve it in a mixture

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<v Speaker 1>of water and either baking soda, sodium bicarbonate UM, or ammonia,

0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and you boil it up, separate it out into the solid,

0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.720
<v Speaker 1>cool it down, and then break it up and you've

0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:45.359
<v Speaker 1>got your little white, ish or tan crack rocks. And

0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.040
<v Speaker 1>if you buy it on the street, supposedly they range

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<v Speaker 1>in size from point one to point five grams UM

0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.680
<v Speaker 1>and they contain the d e A says between seventy

0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.879
<v Speaker 1>five and pure cocaine. So it's quite a rush for you,

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<v Speaker 1>sure um, because it's so easy to make crack from

0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:11.360
<v Speaker 1>cocaine UM. Like nobody imports cracked across the border into

0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the US. It's all coke that comes into the US,

0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:19.680
<v Speaker 1>and then Wesley Snipes converts it into crack uh and

0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.080
<v Speaker 1>a factory operated and run by naked people because he

0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:27.240
<v Speaker 1>doesn't trust them. What was that new Jack City? Oh man,

0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like played, Yeah, I forgot all about Jack City.

0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.280
<v Speaker 1>That was great. And they call it crack because it

0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.320
<v Speaker 1>makes a crackling sound. That's the baking soda when you

0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.560
<v Speaker 1>put the fire on it, and speaking you put the

0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.760
<v Speaker 1>fire on it. That's how you do it. Um, you

0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:46.840
<v Speaker 1>have a little I mean, there's different kinds of pipes,

0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.080
<v Speaker 1>but the most often crack pipe you will see is

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<v Speaker 1>the little straight shooter, a little glass tube. Yep. I

0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:58.200
<v Speaker 1>find him on my dog walks in my neighborhood. Yeah,

0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.440
<v Speaker 1>crack is still around. It's not like it when anywhere.

0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.959
<v Speaker 1>Um he thought, Oh they got that problem all under control.

0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Lickt uh. So you you you know, you have the

0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:09.720
<v Speaker 1>crack in one end and then a filter of some

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:11.680
<v Speaker 1>kind like a steel wool or something in the other.

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<v Speaker 1>You heat it up with your lighter, yeah, under like

0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.600
<v Speaker 1>on the outside of the glass tube or you can

0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess hit it with the flame. But I think

0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.600
<v Speaker 1>if you light it under the glass tube, that's generally

0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the way to do it. I think it vaporizes it,

0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:30.000
<v Speaker 1>that's right, and you smoke it and um pretty much immediately, Uh,

0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.760
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna feel the effects. It's it's an immediate rush

0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.320
<v Speaker 1>that lasts only about ten or fifteen minutes. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that I didn't used to know. I learned it

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<v Speaker 1>a few years ago, but I had no idea. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought a crack high was like, you know, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of hours or something. No, I think it's one of

0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the shortest ties on the market, which is I guess

0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:52.400
<v Speaker 1>why it's so addictive and dangerous rampant because you come

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.720
<v Speaker 1>down and you're like, I'd like to do that again,

0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.959
<v Speaker 1>exactly because it's a short high, but it's also an

0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:02.320
<v Speaker 1>extremely intense high to so um. Yeah, the the the

0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:07.400
<v Speaker 1>it's addictiveness or potential for addictiveness is really high. Yeah.

0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.399
<v Speaker 1>And so I know this article summarized very nicely for

0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 1>you exactly how it reacts with the brain. And so

0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.439
<v Speaker 1>why don't you go ahead and just lay it on people? Alright?

0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.840
<v Speaker 1>It has to do a dopamine, as we know, Yeah, dopamine.

0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:23.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like your pleasure center it's it's the the basis

0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.240
<v Speaker 1>of the reward system that we have, which is how

0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:28.800
<v Speaker 1>we learn to eat and how we learn to have sex,

0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.800
<v Speaker 1>to reproduce. Like we we feel good when we do

0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:33.919
<v Speaker 1>certain things, we want to do it again, and the

0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.000
<v Speaker 1>basis of that is dopamine. So in the brain, the

0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:41.399
<v Speaker 1>way it functions normally is UH neuron will release dopamine

0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:45.359
<v Speaker 1>and it will travel to a neighboring neuron, causing it

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:50.200
<v Speaker 1>to fire and release a pleasurable sensation. And then that

0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:55.600
<v Speaker 1>dopamine UH molecule travels back to the original neuron via

0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:58.920
<v Speaker 1>a transporter and is reabsorbed. So it does it's little

0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:02.080
<v Speaker 1>thing and then goes back home, and it's good. Right,

0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:06.800
<v Speaker 1>there's a certain finite amount of pleasure humans are designed

0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.720
<v Speaker 1>to experience naturally because that when we say reabsorbed, we

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:12.280
<v Speaker 1>said it said that a lot. I don't think people

0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.040
<v Speaker 1>understand that means basically, it turns that off again. Right,

0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.560
<v Speaker 1>It does its thing, and it's done. It doesn't do

0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:19.959
<v Speaker 1>his thing and do its thing and do its thing

0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:21.760
<v Speaker 1>and do its thing. It does its thing once and

0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.439
<v Speaker 1>goes back to the original neuron exactly sits on the

0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.480
<v Speaker 1>couch in this little neuron waits to be released again.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me know when you have sex again or eat

0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:35.080
<v Speaker 1>something to some pizza. UM. So with with crack or

0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:40.120
<v Speaker 1>other drugs that UM target the dopamine system, UM, they

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<v Speaker 1>interrupt the process. Crack specifically interrupts the process of reuptake

0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:50.879
<v Speaker 1>or reabsorption. So you're you're smoking the crack, right, and

0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:57.040
<v Speaker 1>it triggers this dopamine release flood. But crack attaches to

0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:02.159
<v Speaker 1>the transporter which keeps the the dopamine from being reabsorbed,

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.960
<v Speaker 1>which means it's just floating around in the synapse, the

0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 1>area between two neurons, like hitting that one neuron again

0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and again and again, and it does it all throughout

0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the brain or all throughout the ventral tegmental area, and

0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.159
<v Speaker 1>you have this long or well not long, but you

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.640
<v Speaker 1>have this very intense pleasurable sensation. Right. So basically the

0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:25.719
<v Speaker 1>re uptake, they just shut that down. So you're out

0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:29.360
<v Speaker 1>there on your own and then floating around. Yes, your

0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:32.040
<v Speaker 1>brain is a big pleasure center. And then after I

0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.640
<v Speaker 1>guess five to fifteen minutes, like the crack wears off

0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.960
<v Speaker 1>in the dopamine is taken up once more. That's right,

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and the high is over and your are left going

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I want to do that again, exactly. I guess we

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:50.680
<v Speaker 1>should talk about some of the effects of crack use. Um. Obviously,

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.119
<v Speaker 1>just like with cocaine any kind of stimulant like that

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.840
<v Speaker 1>or in phetamine, you're gonna be at risk for heart attack. Yeah,

0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 1>sometimes on the spot. And because you smoke it too,

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:03.760
<v Speaker 1>like it has real, um, real potential for problems with

0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 1>your respiratory system and your cardio pulmonary system in general. Yeah,

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:12.199
<v Speaker 1>stroke is also a risk. Um. It's gonna make you

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 1>very energize at first. You might although your senses may

0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 1>be heightened temporarily, your heart rate is gonna shoot through

0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the roof, your pupils are gonna dilate, your temperature is

0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna rise. Um, you're gonna be pretty anxious or irritable

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:30.400
<v Speaker 1>as you start to come down, and then you could

0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 1>be really aggressive and you could, you know, be more

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:37.000
<v Speaker 1>prone to start a fight with a cop, feel like

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:39.919
<v Speaker 1>you have superhuman strength, or say some crazy stuff to

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.000
<v Speaker 1>a passer by on the sidewalk because you have and

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 1>you have a went to a gunk on the corners

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.600
<v Speaker 1>of your mouth. That's true. Uh, if you have it

0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:50.160
<v Speaker 1>with alcohol, that's not a good combination, because that produces

0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:54.320
<v Speaker 1>a chemical called uh coca ethylene. Yeah, lifts up like

0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>this is a thing. It's like toxic, is I'll get out. Well,

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:03.159
<v Speaker 1>it's the crack or cocaine and alcohol, um produce a

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:07.960
<v Speaker 1>third drug, basically a hybrid drug that's more than the

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 1>sum of its parts. And um, it creates a longer

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>lasting intense or high from crack. Um. But it's also

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:21.120
<v Speaker 1>really toxic to the liver, really bad for you. Yeah,

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.679
<v Speaker 1>as if alcohol itself wasn't. Yeah, And it's not like

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>you have to do anything to it or to to

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.440
<v Speaker 1>get this thing. Like you just drink and smoke crack

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and your body does the rest. Your your metabolism breaks

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the stuff down and creates this coca ethylene and it's

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>like alcohol on cocaine. Right. So, as we said, it's

0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:46.399
<v Speaker 1>super addictive. Um. And of course all this stuff whenever

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.119
<v Speaker 1>you hear about drugs being addictive, it's all dependent on

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 1>the person. Of course. One person might smoke crack and

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 1>never want to do it again. One person might be

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>hooked immediately. Uh. It all depends on your your susceptibility

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 1>to addiction, which varies greatly for sure. Um. I remember

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 1>learning when I was a kid that you smoke crack

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 1>once and you're addictive for life. Yeah. I heard that

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 1>about heroin too. Um. Yeah, the but there is a

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>very high potential for abuse with crack because it's long life.

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 1>It's short, short term, short high, but an intense high. Yeah.

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 1>And we don't want to say, like crack it's not addictive,

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 1>but we don't want to spread the misinformation, Yeah, which

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 1>was really big in the eighties in the in the

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Nancy Reagan War on Drug era, Like a lot of

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 1>misinformation was put out there just to scare people. Um. Yeah.

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 1>So um, we're talking about it being addictive. It's addictive

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:48.199
<v Speaker 1>and because of the effect that it has on dopamine,

0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>but it's also deletrious to your health because of the

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:56.399
<v Speaker 1>effect that it has on your dopamine reward system. Well yeah,

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.200
<v Speaker 1>because uh, and I know we've covered this in other drugs.

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 1>If you do enough drugs like this, um, it rewires

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 1>your brain to the point where it just isn't working

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:09.399
<v Speaker 1>the same any longer. Your brain has like something some

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>sort of sensor in there that's like, Okay, there's way

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 1>too much dopamine going on. This person should not be

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>feeling this much pleasure. So I'm going to just stop

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>producing as much dopamine naturally don't need it. I'm going

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>to destroy the dopamine that's floating around in the synapsism,

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 1>going to reduce the level so that when you now,

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>when you stop smoking crack, the the letdown is way

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 1>worse because you don't have as much natural dopamine as

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:39.439
<v Speaker 1>you did before you started smoking crack. And um, so

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:43.480
<v Speaker 1>you're craving. Your desire for crack to get back up

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 1>is much more intense, much higher. Yeah, and here's the

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 1>thing with crack, which is a little weird. Um many

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 1>times you need to smoke more and more of it

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:56.679
<v Speaker 1>because of what you were just talking about, because you

0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:00.040
<v Speaker 1>need to get that high. But sometimes it'll act so

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 1>you make you more sensitive to it, and you will

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 1>get super high off crack, even as an addict, super quick,

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 1>and you could super die instantly. Um, which I'm not

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 1>sure if they've reconciled how it can do both of

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 1>those things depending on who you are. Well, I think

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 1>it's the same thing. It's like, you know, some people

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:24.920
<v Speaker 1>get addicted to it immediately and other people take longer. Yeah,

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>but I'm just talking about how it affects you. But

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's the same with alcohol, because some hardcore

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.719
<v Speaker 1>alcoholics take a long time to get drunk and some

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:33.879
<v Speaker 1>get drunk like really quickly. Yeah, so it gets this

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 1>the same deal. I guess I'd probably have to do

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>with metabolism, pantons metabolism, right, I guess so. So. Um,

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>once you, once you are fully addicted, if you stop

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 1>smoking crack, which by the way, I think I speak

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>for Chuck too, and I say we highly recommend it

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>if you smoke crack, to stop smoking crack. Yeah, and

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>if you haven't started yet, then just keep that up. Yes,

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>do not start smoking crack, no reason to um if

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>you have are if it's if you listen to this

0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>podcast after you became addicted to crack. Um. If you

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 1>withdraw from crack, you're going to experience a pretty big

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 1>calm down in general, severe depression, anxiety, cravings. You're gonna

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 1>be not fun to be around. You're gonna be really

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>irritable and anxious, um and exhausted yet like agitated all

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 1>at the same time. Yeah. The good news is that

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 1>your brain will eventually restructure itself to return its dopamine

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>levels back to normal or somewhere near normal. UM, So

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>you won't be depressed or withdrawn or anxious or irritated,

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>irritable for the rest of your life. It's just while

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>you're undergoing withdrawals. That's what it's going to be like.

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 1>And it won't be pretty. It won't be pretty now.

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>And there's no UM medication designed to specifically treat crack UM.

0:29:55.960 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>And most therapies are pretty standard rehab therapy, like cognitive

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 1>behavioral therapy, which teaches you how to UM, how to

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 1>basically go through life resisting the temptation of smoking crack,

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>how to disassociate maybe UM triggers like places you go

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 1>just from that lifestyle. Yeah, just to thecouple your mentality

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>from being addicted. It's just standard rehab treatment pretty much.

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>And we covered that like extensively in addiction. And there's

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>another type of treatment that I hadn't heard of, UM

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>called contingency management. Had you heard of that? No? I hadn't. Actually,

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>it's apparently fairly popular for crack treatment. Well what is it? Well,

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>basically it's UM you are rewarded for not smoking crack,

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>which I'm sure goes over really well with Republicans. Where's

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 1>my reward exactly. I haven't smoked crack ever, Well, you

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>haven't been addicted. You have to be addicted. So um,

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 1>the you're given like a voucher or something, you make

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>it like thirty days you get a free movie ticket

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 1>or something, or like you're giving stuff to um. Yeah,

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Incent not doing crack, and I'm sure stuff that is healthy,

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>good for you distracts you from thinking about crack. That

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. I hadn't heard of that before this article.

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Give someone a movie ticket. You know you did good

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 1>today by not smoking crack. Here's a movie ticket. I

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>always like the street terms. We should go over those

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 1>real quick, because street terms, I think you're probably just

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>made up by the media. Yeah, you know, I always

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>feel like they probably just call it crack or rock, right,

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 1>or they call it bassa or French fries or real

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>tops or glow glow. That's like, um, wasn't that the drug?

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:52.239
<v Speaker 1>And strangers with candy? Was Jerry like rubbed on her

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 1>gums and they call it like glow? Probably that great

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>um rock san that's my favorite, hot cakes, c d s.

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Where is that candy? Sugar yam, jelly beans. I guess

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>they kind of makes sense. Jelly beans and French fries

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. French fries does, yeah, because I mean doesn't

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>it look kind of like little pieces of French fries? Um, Yeah,

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 1>it's it's more. It makes more sense than bostha. Well

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>that's or real tops or here's one. There's no way

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>that anyone in the history of humanity has ever called

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>crack this electric kool aid. Yea, they got the wrong

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 1>drug there, Yeah, that would be acid from the famous book, Like,

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>what is that? I don't know. I think those are

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 1>newspaper writers who've never been on the streets. The kids

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>today are on the electric kool aid. Uh. So. One

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>thing that we talked about about crack is the weird

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:56.959
<v Speaker 1>sentencing um laws dating back to nineteen fourteen and up

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>until two thousand and ten, when we past the Fair

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Sentencing Act. If you were caught with one gram of

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>crack cocaine, you would get as much time as someone

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>caught with one hundred grams of cocaine powder. Yes, and

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>let's go back over this. In a graham of cocaine

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>powdered cocaine cost a hundred dollars, a hundred and fifty dollars,

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and it was extraordinarily favored predominantly by white people. Crack

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>comes along five to ten bucks, cheap, intense, high um,

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and it becomes favored by African Americans statistically speaking. Yeah,

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:37.200
<v Speaker 1>so some might allege that the US government actually had

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 1>a hand in introducing crack to the ghettos and then

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>made stiffer sentencing once people were addicted to crack to

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 1>put And I'm not saying crack users are like awesome

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>people and people should do this, but it's a non

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>violent crime, and they were being put in prison for

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 1>the same amount of time as white counterparts who may

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>be raped and murdered people hundred to one ratio. To

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>get caught with a hundred times the powdered cocaine, to

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>get the same sentence as somebody caught with a hundredth

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>of that amount of crack, they were all well hold on.

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>When there was one other thing too, There were mandatory

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 1>minimum sentences that were extraordinarily harsh. Just getting caught with

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of crack on you, any amount of crack,

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I believe you got five years automatically, five years that

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>was the mandatory minimum for possession. Five years in prison

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>for nothing else, Like you could just be walking down

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the street and get caught with crack and never have

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.919
<v Speaker 1>committed another crime in your entire life, and you would

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 1>get five years in prison for that. And that was

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 1>from the Anti Drug Abuse Act, of which screams Nancy Reagan. Um.

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>And it was that was a big deal. It was

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the law of the land until two thousand. Yeah, and uh,

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 1>finally Congress past the Fair Sentencing Act, which reverted the

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:02.279
<v Speaker 1>ratio to one to eight teen instead of uh one

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>to a hundred by weight, and I got rid of

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that mandatory minimum. And now Attorney General Eric Holder is

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>actually trying to get some retroactivity in these sentences and

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:19.280
<v Speaker 1>not trying to they are actually releasing some people from prison. Um.

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I remember we talked about that in the Presidential Partner episode.

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 1>That was something that a lot of people were calling for,

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 1>was blanket pardoned non violent crack users who had been

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>busted under this these mandatory minimums. Here's an idea rehab somebody.

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>But even still there's still a skew in the ratio

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 1>between crack and cocaine. Um. Uh, probably arrest, no, not

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 1>not just that, the the sentences, I guess, Yeah, it's

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>still an eighteen to one ratio. It used to be

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>a hundred to one, but it's still eighteen to one,

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and people are like, why not just make it one

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 1>to want? It's both it's cocaine and it's cocaine exactly, Like,

0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 1>what's the problem here. So, yeah, there's been a long

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>history of Um, I guess racism, just put plane and simple.

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 1>There's really no other way to put it. Racism among

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 1>drug laws. Yeah, and since they introduced the retroactivity releases,

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 1>they've reduced seventy sentences for an average of twenty nine

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 1>months per inmate and saved American taxpayers five and thirty

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>million dollars in the process. Um. Other people will say,

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.759
<v Speaker 1>you're letting drug offenders out on the streets. Why are

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 1>we doing this? And um, so there are two sides. Obviously,

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>opinion lies that that story. We'd be remiss if we

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't point out that people are upset about it in

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>some circles. Oh sure, it's not like it's a it's

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 1>a great idea, categorically yeah, Um yeah, there's problems with

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 1>it for sure. Uh. Can we talk about crack babies? Yeah?

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>That was another thing that came out of the eighties

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 1>was the so called crack baby. Like, there was a

0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 1>huge part of this crack epide. Mick wasn't just addiction.

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:05.400
<v Speaker 1>It was babies being born addicted to crack. And thanks

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 1>to a paper from by a guy named Dr Ira Chasnoff,

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:16.760
<v Speaker 1>the crack baby fear started sweeping the nation. I mean huge, man.

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:20.120
<v Speaker 1>There's a New York Times video that you can go watch,

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 1>like ten minutes long called retro Reports. Is that what

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 1>it was called. Yeah, it was really good and it

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.360
<v Speaker 1>basically kind of brought and I remember now, you know,

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 1>back in the eighties, Peter Jennings on the nightly news

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 1>saying that you know, babies are and it's not Peter Jennings,

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:35.799
<v Speaker 1>of course, it's whoever wrote the story. It was Peter

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Jennings Dan. Rather it was People Time Newsweek. It basically

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 1>saying these babies are being born addicted to drugs. It

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>will ultimately cost crack babies will cost the United States

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 1>five billion dollars. Yeah, they were saying it was going

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>to be a lost generation, a nation of kids who

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:56.720
<v Speaker 1>are you can't rehab. They're going to be the babies

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 1>or aloof They shake, they avoid eye contact, they've void

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 1>in contact with their own mothers, which proves that they're

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:05.399
<v Speaker 1>going to be anti social deviance when they grow up.

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.719
<v Speaker 1>And this is not like we're not rewriting history, man,

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 1>it was like hardcore stuff that they were saying it

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>was gonna be uh they were One quote was, um,

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>they will not be able to hold uh to form

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 1>to hold a job, or form meaningful relationships. Right, So

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:23.919
<v Speaker 1>they were expected to completely overwhelm the education system, maybe

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:27.279
<v Speaker 1>not even have an IQ of fifty yeah, and then

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>completely overwhelmed social services. So basically there was this this

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>whole um generation of kids that were expected to be

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 1>totally messed up because their mothers had smoke crack while

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:41.120
<v Speaker 1>they were pregnant, and so women were having their kids

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>taken away from them. Some women were arrested, and um,

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the the guy, the doctor who wrote the original paper,

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Dr Ira chasin Off like started to very quickly back

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 1>off of the original statements, which he is still today.

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Like he admits like he was pretty mouthy and not

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:01.279
<v Speaker 1>very savvy, pretty meat, a naive, I guess you could

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 1>put it. And he said he would give these long

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 1>winded statements and then the press would just pick out

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:10.280
<v Speaker 1>like the juiciest part and like this guy single handedly

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 1>created the crack baby myth because it never panned out

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 1>in any way, shape or form. And what they were

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.839
<v Speaker 1>saying was like the twitchy babies that you're seeing on

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:24.359
<v Speaker 1>TV when they're talking about the the symptoms of being

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.439
<v Speaker 1>a cracked baby, that's premature babies. Like you take any

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.759
<v Speaker 1>premature baby who's premature for any reason, and they're going

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:35.399
<v Speaker 1>to display these symptoms that are supposedly associated with crack babies. Yeah,

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 1>they did. The US government sponsored a twenty five year

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 1>study of crack babies, not a two year study or

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:44.359
<v Speaker 1>a five year study. Twenty five years. They followed these

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 1>babies up into adulthood. Uh is now over the funding

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 1>ran out, and they found that um by age four,

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the average i Q of cocaine exposed children was UH

0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 1>seventy nine. The average i Q for the non expos

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:02.319
<v Speaker 1>children was ade UM. When it came to readiness at

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:07.720
<v Speaker 1>age six, about in each group scored in the abnormal range.

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:12.839
<v Speaker 1>Basically all of the findings said, it's the same as

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 1>these other kids. But here's the deal. They weren't doing

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 1>the study against crack baby babies and white suburban kids.

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 1>They were doing it against a like model, which was

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:25.640
<v Speaker 1>other you know, poor black kids basically that were not

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:28.920
<v Speaker 1>crack babies, and they said they are all below average.

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 1>So the deal is is it's poverty. Right, it's not

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 1>crack cocaine. They're scoring the same as non non crack babies,

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and they're all scoring lower because of poverty and and

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 1>basically bad postnatal care through adulthood. Right, like you, you

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:52.719
<v Speaker 1>might not have any problems physiologically or not as not

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 1>or cognitively from being exposed to crack in the womb,

0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>but if your mom's still smoking crack after you're born,

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 1>you're probably not to get the best care from your

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:06.400
<v Speaker 1>parents as possible. Um. And they did find in that

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>same study that children that were being raised in like

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>a supporting, encouraging house, even in um poverty stricken conditions,

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 1>uh tended to excel. So um it is it's pop.

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:21.799
<v Speaker 1>It was poverty they found out, and um postnatal care

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, and being born premature. But yes, but

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<v Speaker 1>the correct baby thing never happened. It was another example

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<v Speaker 1>of hysterics. So right about now, I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>if if it sounds like Chuck and I are being cavalier,

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<v Speaker 1>have been cavalier with the idea of crack. Uh we're

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<v Speaker 1>not We're not being cavalier with crack or addiction. That's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to take lightly. But I think what's created a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of freneticness or passion maybe in this one is

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<v Speaker 1>just this idea that we're able to look back now

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years on and say, wow, like America was genuinely

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:05.239
<v Speaker 1>hysteric coal and it's it's something to be amazed by

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<v Speaker 1>and a little disconcerted with. Two. Yeah, of course you

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<v Speaker 1>should not take cocaine or smoke crack when you're pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>No doctor on earth is going to say that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing. But the crack baby was a myth. And

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<v Speaker 1>the one Emory professor that was in that New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times researcher in the New York Times video came out

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<v Speaker 1>and said, you know what, alcohol does much more physical

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<v Speaker 1>damage and is much more widespread as an abuse drug

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:36.919
<v Speaker 1>during pregnancy than crack or cocaine ever is. But they're

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>not lacking ladies up that are pregnant for drinking. And

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the reason they were doing it back then, it's because

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<v Speaker 1>they were poor black women. Right. Um, we should say

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<v Speaker 1>the crack epidemic. Also, while the sentences were stiffer, the

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.760
<v Speaker 1>the amount you got caught with was a hundred times

0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>smaller to get the same The same rap is getting

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 1>caught with powdered cocaine. There was something that came out

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:06.200
<v Speaker 1>of this crack epidemic that was a real threat, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was the rise of the modern um inter city gang,

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<v Speaker 1>at least as far as we know it. Like crips

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 1>and bloods and folks and all those guys, they they

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<v Speaker 1>came out of this era. They were able to buy

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the guns that they bought and fight the turf force

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>that they fought because they had this incredibly addictive drug

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:34.759
<v Speaker 1>that they could sell and control pretty easily in their

0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:37.839
<v Speaker 1>hands all of a sudden. So where that came from,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, but you can all you can. The big

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<v Speaker 1>problem with the crack epidemic that you can trace directly

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<v Speaker 1>back to it is the rise of the modern gang

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:55.840
<v Speaker 1>drug gang. So in summary, crack whack, Yeah, crack babies,

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<v Speaker 1>crack sentencing laws, Why back whack Gary webb Um whacked

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<v Speaker 1>whack very nice? I got nothing else perfect. Well, since

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I said something perfect, I am going to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>to go ahead and research crack more on our website

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 1>how stuff works dot Com. One of our websites these days. Um,

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:24.879
<v Speaker 1>you can type crack into the search bar and I'll

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 1>bring up this article. And since I said search bar,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for a message break, chuckers, how about you

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<v Speaker 1>take us out with some listener mail. All right, this

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<v Speaker 1>is from Rebecca and it is about PTSD and UH

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<v Speaker 1>police chases. UM. I've been a fan of you guys

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<v Speaker 1>since the inception. I've listened to every episode. I always

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted to write in until now, I didn't have a reason.

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Listening to the Police Chase podcast made me want to

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<v Speaker 1>share my story. Years ago, I was a victim of

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<v Speaker 1>a police chase. Some teenagers had stolen a car and

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<v Speaker 1>were pursued by the cops. I'm not sure what caused

0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 1>them to pursue at high speeds, but they did. The

0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:08.839
<v Speaker 1>chase resulted in the kids t boning my car when

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I was stopped at a red light. The kids tried

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<v Speaker 1>to take an incredibly sharp turn. Essentially you turn onto

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:16.960
<v Speaker 1>another road and they're going way too fast. Um. The

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:21.440
<v Speaker 1>chase escalated to an on foot chase. UM, and it

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<v Speaker 1>actually did end and arrests. I ended up having to

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<v Speaker 1>be cut out of the car with the jaws of

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<v Speaker 1>life only suffered minor head injuries despite my car being totaled.

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<v Speaker 1>As a result of the incident, I began having anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>and PTSD symptoms that were triggered by police irons and

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<v Speaker 1>intense stress. I had to receive treatment similar to some

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<v Speaker 1>of what you discussed in the PTSD episode all as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I didn't take too long, UM with therapy to

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<v Speaker 1>overcome everything. I just wanted to share the downside of

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:52.959
<v Speaker 1>police chases. I don't think that incident required a high

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 1>speed chase, and the result could have been much moss worse.

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<v Speaker 1>I really wish that police would stop to think before

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<v Speaker 1>they pursued for minor crimes UH and would get fined

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<v Speaker 1>even or have some sort of penalty for causing accidents

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<v Speaker 1>within US at five standards. And that is Rebecca. Thanks Rebecca,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you sharing that. Sorry that happened to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you're doing better. UM. If you want to

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